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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ต.ค. 2017
- The Commodore 64 I repaired in one of the previous videos gets new electrolytic caps, new voltage regulators, a new bridge rectifier, heatsinks, bwack's kernal switcher, and finally a new (quite special) case.
The new C64C cases are available here: shop.pixelwizard.eu
Information about bwack's kernal switcher is available on his GitHub here: github.com/bwack/C64-Switchle...
The game I briefly play is the brilliant Galencia by Jason Aldred. You can buy it here: galencia.itch.io
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That looks great, both a beautiful collectors condition piece and a gaming icon to be played every single day :)
Thanks! Yes, these new cases turned out really nicely. I'm going to use this C64 a lot I think. Love the look and feel of it. :)
@@JanBeta Did you find any deffects on the case? i just got one same colour as yours and there are areas where the plastic is smooth as apposed to that coarse finish the C64 has?
Great follow-up video. I really like the case; I think it looks fantastic. And, as usual, all around excellent futureproofing. I've never thought to replace the bridge rectifier -- perhaps I will order some. Keep up the great work!
I know I'm repeating myself, but another great video. I love the way you go thru and show the process in full. And its a sweet C64 now.
Thanks! I always try to show at least briefly what I do (and most of the times my mistakes too).
Fantastic case there Jan I do like the red case with the white keyboard. Great vid once again, I'm glad you went for a larger bridge rectifier that doesn't sit on the board it will help in cooling it. Oh congratulations on your 3000 subscribers well done matey😋😋😋😋😁😁😁😂😂😂😋😋🤔😋
Thank you Kim! The rectifier will stay a bit cooler like this indeed. :)
Awesome job on the restoration Jan Beta! I built one of the original transparent C64C cases, but I used a 250469 short board in mine. Bwack’s kernal is a nice touch as well, with the RGB LED...
Thanks! I love the transparent cases. They were a tad too expensive for me at the time though (especially because I wasn't that much involved with C64s then). The short boards are probably the better choice concerning heat and longevity.
Sweet looking case! Cool seeing the board i designed again. I think I will order up a tiny batch and prebuild some for those who request. Been a few people asking lately and I just point them to my github repo. I cant offer the ROM though. great video!!
Thanks! Cool to hear that you are making some of the boards for people. The ROM is a bit difficult because of licensing of course. I love the kernal switch. Very easily implemented and this time I even fitted a socket for the MPU and it still fits. :)
The bridge rectifier has to dissipate the diode losses, so it's probably even a good thing that it doesn't sit flush on the board...
I've seen diodes soldered in with some extra length just to improve airflow/cooling..
Yes, that's a good point. I've seen these rectifiers "floating" above boards for 1-2 cm a lot. Very common in vintage hifi components for example. I guess they just sat it flat on the board because of the limited space.
Yes this is absolutely right - diode bridges are often spaced off the board to allow airflow for cooling. It can make a significant difference. You will often find the leads are bent in an S shape to allow this to happen
Jan Beta I got an old Denon PMA-1060 from my neighbor after it suddenly stopped working and destroyed the built in fuse. Turned out the bridge rectifier (that even had a heatsink screwed on top) overheated and shortened. It might not really be the most common damage but it can happen (especially after long and heavy use)
Beautiful work Jan! Thanks for linking Galencia ;)
Hi Jason, didn't know you were here as well. :) Thank YOU for making Galencia. It's a true gem.
Thanks Jan, there is more to come with Version 1.5 almost ready to be shipped in the physical package, then a little later the download version will be upgraded to 1.5 along with a free digital extras package containing a PDF manual, artwork and a collection of SID files, stay tuned ;)
Really looking forward to all those goodies. I have to get the physical release, too. :)
I have this pixel wizard case shown in this video, I have the SX64 one, C16 one and the standard white one. I have ordered a black keyboard for this one since it has the breadbin theme. My two favourite ones are this one and the SX64 one.
I clicked on this video preparing to see someone defile a Commodore 64C with some sort of dye but was delighted to discover that a company is actually making NEW cases for this much loved computer. Knowing this information has made my day!
Yes, I got really excited when I found out about the new cases, too. I just had to get one. :)
Thanks for the information, regarding the regulators. I have ordered some heavy duty 1.5 and 2.0 amps for my SixtyClone. I have smoke tested it, however I wish to have some better regulators in my machine. Yup. Going to make sure it lasts more than 20 years. (good news for my children, if they want it when I am gone)
Very good! I have the same case, but I've put a C64 Reloaded board into it. Also, the idea with the RGB LED is quite interesting. I think I'll apply that, too.
Thanks! Does the Reloaded have multiple kernals on board already? Would be interesting to hack something together so that the LED displays a different color for different ROMs, too. ;)
No, the Reloaded doesn't have multiple kernals. I'm not sure if I'll implement it in the future, as I don't need it too much. However, to add an RGB LED with no multiple ROMs is just a crazy idea, I could add just a simple switch to select color for fun, indicating nothing :) I don't know.
Ah, I see. Something had me believe the Reloaded has a multi kernal flash ROM or something. Maybe I mixed something up. You could add a potentiometer to the LED and smoothly change colors or something. ;)
Oh, I just checked out the Reloaded's specs and yes, you were right. There's a larger EPROM chip with extra space for second ROM data (and switch between them by pressing RESTORE key), so yes, it could be done. However, the potentiometer idea sounds good!
Something wonderful when you put the top case on. :)
Yes! It felt amazing to assemble this and see how nicely it turned out. :)
I never realised you could do so much with the C64, i love the new case:)
There's so much new hardware for the C64 at the moment. I love how people mix modern stuff like flash ROMs and micro controllers with the C64.
Hi Jan,
Nice job, nice case too.
Congrat.
Thank you Sir! :)
I had an Australian release of a Commodore64, with that same shaped case. The case was a lot lighter, though. Mine was a creamy-white colour.
I have just bought one of these cases and some 3D Printed Keyboard brackets :) I have a breadbin model and the case has seen better days. I like this C64C style design :) great video Jan!
Thanks Dave! The cases are great. The 3D printed brackets should work a lot smoother than my hacked original ones. ;)
What size led do I need for the replacement case?
+Dave's Game Room I used a 5mm square LED but had to file it a bit to make it fit.
The voltage regulators I can understand on swapping out but the bridge rectifier didn't need swapping out.
Pretty cool setup, reminds me when I use to modify game consoles and PCs.
The bridge rectifier in my VIC-20 died recently so I'm a bit paranoid about these. The VIC-20 rectifier is a lot flimsier than the one used in the C64 though.
The setup is only semi-permanent sadly. I always have to rearrange things depending on what I work on as I only have the one desk.
Good vid there Jan I got to get me one of these switchless ROM modules from bwack so easy to install. The new case is not what I expected it's better I like the black case with the white keys. Can't wait for the next video jan. Keep up the good work 😋😋😁😋 Kim
Thank you Kim! The case is really good quality. It was a very pleasant surprise. :)
How necessary is it to replace the caps inside the RF modulator, especially if it's not used because of using a monitor instead of a TV?
I'm hoping to build something like this for myself in the near future, possibly with the 'Reloaded MKII' motherboard, and the CPU, CIA1/2, VIC-II, and the SID sourced from elsewhere. I'm not sure how to get a keyboard, though. Used C64s seem to be extremely rare in online marketplaces where I live; and those seem to be fully functional machines sold at (unreasonably, I think) high prices.
I am in the proces of refurbishing a C64 too, I got the non working board for free. It had faulty RAM, I replaced all of the RAM chips, working again. Replaced the voltage regulators too, it improved the picture on the screen significantly. I am also replacing the old ceramic caps, next will be the electrolytic caps and heatsinks. I have an original case from a C64C, which needs a bit of a clean. That’s going to look nice with a breadbin keyboard.
Nice work! It's so rewarding getting these old machines to work and shine again. :)
Jan Beta Yeah, it is... But, now it has a garbled screen. Keyboard works, though and I can type stuff. Basic is working. So, I suspect chip U14 has died. Replace that for a 74LS258 and see if it works again. Then I can continue the recap.
GOOD WORK Jan im very interested in the good projects you do...
Thank you! A lot more to come. :)
I heard you tear up - I get emotional about my old machines as well. I think I'll have to get one of those cases - because I need another project to work on :).
+SkuldChan42 Yeah, I get pretty emotional with the lovely old machines. Especially if I repaired them successfully. The new cases are great. Highly recommended project material! ;)
Schönes Video! Breadbin Gray war auch meine Wahl. Schaut mit einer braunen Tastatur einfach Klasse aus. Tolles Gefühl 2017 etwas von Commodore auszupacken. :-) Ich werde aber einen Reloaded MKII darin verbauen. Übrigens coole Unterlage von Vesalia.
Vielen Dank! Ja, die Gehäuse sind sehr schön geworden. Ich überlege gerade ernsthaft, mir noch eines zu besorgen und darin dann entweder einen Reloaded oder den 64 Ultimate zu verbauen. Ist dann leider alles zusammen wieder ziemlich teuer...
Ich übersteige mein monatliches Retrobudget seit Monaten. :-) Reloaded MKII, Ultimate 64, 36+1 Kernel, SX Gehäuse, Kleinteile etc. Ich hoffe Jens lässt sich mit dem Amiga Reloaded noch eine Weile Zeit.
Great video! Watched The repair and The kernel ones as well :) very nice. One question : do you actually use this daily? Or is it just for The fun and nostalgia :)
I'm using a breadbin with similar features (same Kernel switcher) on a nearly daily basis. This one I always kind of consider to be too precious in a strange way. But it gets some use, too. :)
Hey Jan, I love your videos, I've watched lots of them. Do you know of any online parts lists with manufacture name and part number for the modern replacement components? I am specifically interested in capacitors, socket, heat-sinks, ROM, IC's, etc. (basically everything you replaced on this board in this video and others). I'd like to start doing the same thing for the VIC-20 & C64 and C128. I think I've heard you say you prefer Panasonic for capacitors, what about the other components. I just want to know what to buy and which manufacturers are the best, so I can source the parts and bulk order before I start tearing into the computers.
Looks pretty nice. Been thinking about that SX-64 "livery" case myself, but €64 is too much to spend on a whim.
Yeah, it is quite some money. The quality is good so I guess it would not have been possible to make it any cheaper than that. The SX style one would have been my second choice. It was pretty hard to choose.
Nice one. Breadbin keyboard looks so cool in the new case. Reminds me a bit of australian C64s.
BTW, isn't the RGB LED pinout always the same (R, CC, G, B) for the LEDs with common cathode?
+discoHR thanks. I didn’t know that about the RGB LEDs (obviously). Makes sense of course. :D
Lately I've been looking for these and the pinout is not the same for all RGB LEDs with CC.
Well done!
Thank you. :)
I just put my C64C motherboard in a new white case, although I would have rather had the clear one...I guess all the ones but the white ones are sold out! However, I'm actually liking it. I'm using the brown "breadbin" keyboard and the thing looks like what a VIC 20 C would have looked like if they ever made them... ;)
Oh, that sounds like a nice color combo, too. I think the clear cases were only available in the first kickstarter thing. The case I'm using is from the next (no kickstarter) project that was started in a German C64 forum.
Cool refurb! Subscribed!
Thank you very much and welcome aboard. :)
Do all c64 mobos fit in c64c cases? Are there a y differences with these mobos that would be compatible with case varieties?
good video.. can u give me a link to the heat sinks you use pls? and.. what chips do you put them on?
Thanks! I used these: www.ebay.de/itm/8-Stück-VGA-RAM-Kühler-I-Cooler-Selbstklebend-Aluminium-Heatsink/121997702605.
I made a whole video about how/where I apply them. Look for my "C64 future proofing" video. :)
I'm curious why you replaced the bride rectifier? Do they normally go bad? They're just four diodes inside right? Also, did you recap the modulator board? I didn't see why you removed it.
Great video as usual. :-)
The bridge rectifier in my VIC 20 went bad recently so I decided it would be a good idea to do some preventive maintenance and put an oversized one in the C64. These get quite hot in normal use so they won't live forever. After all they're just a couple of diodes as you mentioned.
Oh, and I recapped the modulator, too. I found that it improves the video output quality (at least for the S-video) quite a bit.
Jan, on your bwack's kernal switcher, did you mount the PIC on a socket or soldered it directly to the board? I'm about to build one and I am wondering if it'll fit in the rom socket with the PIC mounted on a socket. thanks
+shiloh6809 Yes, I used a socket this time. It depends on the 24 pin socket you use on the main board if it fits. I actually had to cut a piece of plastic away from it after soldering it in but now it fits fine. Good luck with your build! :)
incredible moment.
Hello Jan Beta can you tell me the model and brand of the electric unsolder iron you use on this video?
It's a ZD-915 which is sold under a variety of brand names. Still highly recommended if you can get one. There also is a successor model which I haven't tested but it's supposedly very similar.
4:17 why do some of copper areas on the backside of the board look like they were crumpled paper?
They put more tin on to make them wider for higher current carrying capabilities. Looks a bit messy but works. ;)
Why is the 'Phillips' logo on the monitor partially covered?
It's just a joke. I like covering up brand names on my stuff (a tradition I started when I played in bands and gaffa taped the brand names on my equipment) so this one became LIPS.
@@JanBeta Oh, 'Lips', ha ha!
75€ shipped to the UK, 135€ with two joysticks. Oh so very tempting. Ironically, it's the 'perfect' copy of the original that is bothering me. I've seen replacement Amiga cases where the screw holes had brass inserts. If you aren't planning on opening it too much, I guess it's OK.
Yeah, the prices are pretty reasonable. Otherwise I wouldn't have bought one I think. I also like the colors much better than the former Kickstarter cases (except maybe the clear one). They didn't use brass inserts to keep it as close to the original as possible I think. The plastic is of much better quality than the one used for the original so I think it can take quite some screwing and unscrewing until it breaks.
Where do I order these cases from?
This was a really nice video of a restoration! I really liked that you modernized it with all this goodies. But what really are the benefits with different kernals ? Isn't ordinary basic enough ? I heard that many people install JiffyDOS but i never understood why.
Can you also please link that RGB LED.
Awesome work!
JiffyDOS and EXOS both contain disk fastloaders, so disk reading is faster by a factor of 4× to 15×. Some games and programs don't work well with some fastloaders, so this is a convenient way of switching between them.
I have Jiffydos installed, and its perfect. Not necessery to use cartridge for fastload from floppy or SD
So, JiffyDOS works with SD2IEC?
Yes, there are some fastloaders that are supported by the SD2IEC. Final Cartridge 3 works and Jiffy works, too. Haven't tried others but Jiffy is really fast that's why I use it a lot.
Oh, and for the LEDs: Search for "RGB LED square 5mm common cathode" and you should find some similar ones. I got mine from ebay from a random seller (I can't really remember). Here's some from adafruit: www.adafruit.com/product/2739
I did this back in 86, that's change the case from bread bin to C 64C style. I ordered it from UK magazine that I can't remember the name. After a while I sold it for an Amiga 500 in 87. Yeah... I'm regret my action. Although I enjoyed my Amiga after a while came 386 compatible then I sold my Amiga for it. Hu...hu..hu..
That's a very cool case, gives some of the best of both worlds, very unique! I was wondering about the rom switcher, what exactly is the reason for wanting that other than saying you have these other kernel roms on there, is there any practical reason?
I use different ROMs all the time for fastloader functionality and also the function keys have commands on them for most of them. I have to make another ROM for this some time though because I need DolphinDOS on there for one of my 1541s that has the Dolphin hardware. That's a very fast fastloader with a parallel cable. ;)
Ahh okay, fair enough :) Sounds good! So does that replace the need for that Epyx cart?
Exactly. The EPYX cart is an external fastloader that works the same as an internal fastloader kernal. I haven't used it but I think it also has commands on the function keys etc. :)
Cool :) Sounds good xD
What do the extra rom modes let you do that you can't on the standard mode? I must admit all I ever did on my old C64 was to play games and get pissed off with how long the games needed to load from tape and loading level 2 never worked.
Oh, I use them mostly for speeding up loading/saving times. JiffyDOS, EXOS and Datel are all floppy speeders basically. They often add some more useful functionality like shortcut keys or machine code monitors. Very handy if you are working with disk drives and/or an SD2IEC device for example.
Jan did that plate for Joystick ports and power come with the case?
You mean the black side plate from the old breadbin cases? The flat cases don't need one of those, the connectors and the switch just go through openings in the case.
I did mean that Jan, thanks for clearing it up for me. Hey, one other question please: do you dilute your cleaning alcohol with water and if so, what's the ratio of water to isopropyl?
nicely done ^^
Thank you! Glad it turned out so nicely. :)
What is the source for those heatsinks you used?
I found them on ebay. I think it's an international seller: www.ebay.de/itm/8-Stück-VGA-RAM-Kühler-I-Cooler-Selbstklebend-Aluminium-Heatsink/121997702605
Greetings, Jan. This is the first time I have heard of replacing the voltage regulators. Have they been known to fail???
They are usually pretty sturdy but they run hot constantly. I've seen a couple of the 5V ones fail (especially on 250407 boards like this one) with destructive effects (they basically blow up the VIC-II) so I tend to replace them lately.
Ok good to know. I am making plans to future proof my childhood C64 soon, perhaps I will add the voltage regulator to the bill of materials.
how much is the parts to replace old unit?
Oh, I don't really know for sure because I use mostly parts I have stocked anyway. The most expensive are the larger axial caps I guess which cost up to a few euros each, otherwise it's all just cents.
I love your videos. Best of youtube
+junnu vainio Oh, thank you! :)
I bought this case too. Thanks your videos :)
Where can I purchase these cases from? And i need keys as well.
There'a a link in the video description to the cases. Keys are another issue. There was a kickstarter thingy recently but as far as I know they didn't deliver yet.
Which kind eeprommer programmer do you have use this video?
I have a TL866 eprommer. It's a relatively inexpensive Chinese thing that's very good for the price (I think I paid around 35€ for it a while back).
THEY MUST recover the original masks for the custom chips of the commodore 64!
If they did that and someone with a lot of cash could front the money, Western Design Center [WDC] would do a production run. Bill Mensch was the co-creator of the 6502 and its support chips and he even said in his Antic Podcast interview that he'd definitely do runs of Commodore and Atari custom chips if it were possible.
Jan, I saw a comment complaining about your English. However I think your English is superb! Where did you learn to speak it? It makes me even more embarrassed to have been brought up in the UK and not be able to speak any other language!
Thanks Andrew. I actually studied some semesters of English at Kiel university. Never finished with a degree but I still learned some things. One of the reasons for doing the videos in English was to gain more confidence speaking it. Still learning all the time. :)
We all are...even us native speakers
You love thr commodore like wife :-)
Love your videos :-) I was wondering if you or someone else on here would direct me where to buy the proper bridge rectifier for my commodore 64, PLEASE :-)
Do you know of a supplier who sells newly made breadbin-style C64 cases?
No, I don't think there is one. The C64C cases only exist because the original molds were discovered some time ago. There's little hope for the breadbin molds to turn up I guess. Plus it's really expensive making new molds.
Hi Jan, I have a Vic-20 here with black screen and a really crap looking case. Maybe it would make a nice reparation restoration retrobright video? If you’re interested I could send it to you?
Oh, I'm very interested. Please send me an email (my address is on the channel info page). :)
love your videos :D
Thank you. :)
..Jan, You are talking about 5V regulator while showing 12v one!?!? only me noticed that? 78S05 should be 2A +5v ones.. Hopefully You didn't fryed anything..
Oh, I didn't realize that. Got the regulators in correctly though and didn't fry anything. Sorry if it was confusing in the video.
where did you get the case from?
shop.pixelwizard.eu
thank you very much :) i'm honestly really inspired by your videos
Lack of Anti-Static measures...
I'm slowly getting better!
Jan Beta it’s ok! Your videos are quite good because you leave in the mistakes, makes them more real, keep up the good work...
The talking hand...
TALK TO THE HAND! ;)
is the modulator even needed? Can you just remove and toss it?
Oh, unfortunately the video output is partially generated in the modulator circuit so you have to build a replacement circuit to toss the modulator. Video on that topic is coming up soon(ish). :)
@@JanBeta yeah I found that out recently. Apparently its not hard to make a composite circuit if you want to get rid of it though.
I have an RGB LED in my C64 Breadbin
I have the same kernal switch in my breadbin, too and am also using an RGB LED. Very handy. :)
Why even leave the RF modulator in? I realize that keeps the unit in a more "original" state, but doesn't just ripping it out entirely dramatically improve audio and video output on the baseband A/V port?
(I also see people using the modulator's space for other mods like jacks for stereo SID output, etc.)
EDIT: Read up a bit more and apparently some -- but not all -- C64 revisions pass baseband video through the modulator before reaching the A/V port, so you have to add some simple circuitry there if you want to replace it. Also read that some revisions bypass the modulator and on those you can remove it and just take Y/C and audio from the A/V port.
The RF modulator processes the raw signal from the VIC-II and actually provides the signal for both the A/V jack (two component pins and one composite pin) and the RF output. So you can't exactly rip it out, but you can replace it with a smaller board that gives you S-Video and mono/stereo SID out. Google around for "C64 S-Video Mod".
Hmmm no ESD bracelet? Hope you didnt blew anything precious
No, all good. I take more precautions these days.
Intro tune is a bit too loud.
Definitely the wrong color.
ein ESD band ??? ernsthaft ? die dinger sind voll fün popo .... ich weis haben wir alle gelernt di ezu benutzen aber die haben wirklich null effekt ich habe noch nie von einer elektrostatischen schrottung von komponenten gehört. selbst um kurzschlüsse zu finden schließe ich da strom an wo eigentlich keiner hin sollte .... :-D und da ist auch noch nie was weggebrannt :D
Ich habe tatsächlich schon einen SID Chip getoastet mit einer elektrostatischen Entladung. Seitdem bin ich da eher vorsichtig.
Sell me that c64 🤗
Ummmmmmm... no! ;)
I really like your videos, but must be honest….hint …hint Your English is very poor and it is quite frustrating to understand what you are saying. Why can’t you put more effort
into it? It doesn’t help that you giggle consciously while you talk. It’s really bad form. You are not 14yrear old are you? Not supposed to laugh at one’s own joke. ha ha ha ha haa
Thanks for your honesty. I'm trying my best to get better with the overall quality of the vids. Don't really know if I can (or want) to stop the giggling. Maybe I am 14 at heart (which I don't really consider a bad thing)...