How do you guys know that ? I always struggle with math, and find it absolutely fascinating when you talk about mines, dmg output or what item is best Which is weird, because i hate lol for that Anyway, good stuff keep being savant
Isn't banshe possesion realy big when you have gold advantage? By quickly removing their units with possesion it should make gold difrence more flash out. Do you think it's right? It should also work nicely to reduce oponet stack oportunits, buy trading well even aginst dobule line of oponets.
Most of your air units were at bottom side - which is also where the blue enemy placed most of his tanks. Wouldn't have been useful to put your air units on top so that they DPS longer and avoid the mass tank damage ?
I've been experimenting with 4 gold mines rush + tier 1 spam (only doing that if I get footman or grunt and if I have either shamans or dryads for early dispell) and it's been working quite wonderfully. I just make large tier 1 army like whole two rows of mixed ranged 1 row and melee 1 row. Somehow it works, especially if you start third and can rush the hero. Prioritize tank hero so you can skip some low tier melee units. Maybe you could try it too?
@@anotherrandom1 it takes 12 min before you earned it back. So you are weaker for 12 min compared to no mine, thats a long time. If that makes you lose mid it could cost you the game
@@TheIlidius oh I was wrong indeed, I thought the cost of 4th mine was 350 but I guess its 300. But it takes 10 min to earn 4th mine back if it costs 300 gold. (1 g per 2 sec = 0.5/1sec, 300/0.5/60=10). So that fpr the 4th mine only. If you count from the first mine with all the building cooldowns and stuff its way more
I just can't bring myself to make archers... why the hell is the worst ranged unit also so expensive? They have less HP and damage than the other ranged units, but fiends are the only ones more expensive than archers. And fiends have some usage against enemies with air units. Archers don't even have Elune's Grace in this mode... They really need a price reduction or a buff xP
@@zachariastsampasidis8880 having slightly more range doesn't justify their higher price, since they have less health, less dps and worse armor type than their counterparts...
@Grubby mine math. All mine 900. 2Gold per second. 7.5min of 4 mines pays them off. With mine delay, as long as you own mid you will have equal gold. Tech is the only thing that sets you back in value. 4mine T1 for president 2024!
Yes, 4th mine takes 10mins to pay, however 1st mine only takes around 5. So average 7.5. just buy all units between mine cd and for wave start. I only T2 for dispel. Btw in SC2 I only tech for detect lol
@@rev9115 yeah but we're talking XP pool that is 5x ? the size of normal. Btw mines 900, I debate the 4th. Every hero 500. Both tech 250 450. Like is 300 mine really that scary? It's cause value lost with flat tech cost that only unlocks. MG isn't 310... It's 310per+250+450+150+100 before useful
10 gold every 20 sec .5 gold/sec My game usually last 25 mins 300 gold with .5 per sec is 10 min alone. U Can't get it until 6/7 min. So if rushed pays off starting 17 min we say. It needs 360 sec so 6 more min to offer you 1 more huntresses. Or 620 sec to offer you 1 MG. So 27 min in you get 1 more MG. But you already lost. Dont go 4 mines at 7 min get 2 necros you'll get middle and get your bonus gold. Games are highly scalable meaning you can rarely win if you dont have mid (my games at least). I often dont go second mine. I got 1500 mmr 40 games. 51% winrate. So not really confident in my assumption but my math should be good
People's ego totally plays a role in it 💀💀 I didn't play a lot of ladder BECAUSE my primary practice was always my older brother who was always FAR superior to me in WC3. But instead of trying to train harder (i mean, I played TONS of wc3 as a kid and teenager, just not always the normal gameplay but sometimes melee) But my brother always seemed better, and HE didn't even play ladder. So i thought.. if i cant even best my bro eho won't play ladder, why would I play ladder? Turns out.. it's not as hard as I thought.. Just needed to practice one build order and get relatively good at it to compete with like 1 in 4 people lmao
Really? Someone is using Win7? This OS didn't get security updates since 2020 (or 2023 if you've paid for it, which I doubt, this guy was doing). Good luck being online
valve cant make their own direct strike now, because of blizzard policy on custom maps... and i dont think that current blizzard will make their own direct strike game of this
Blizzard doesn't own the concept, they just have moral ownership of the mode, meaning they can create their own, same name and all, without consent from or crediting the original creators of the map. Valve just has to not name it Direct Strike and they can do whatever they want
@@garagavia yeah, DH for soaking dmg while your hunts wreck stuff isn’t bad. Pit lord with howl is fine. Just set your hero to the side and you’ll be fine. Later if you have spirit link, even better. Panda is always good no matter what, just position your hero a little farther back and off to the side.
05:34 - The available experience per round per player is the same, regardless of whether other players' heroes are present. This amount doesn't change if you have multiple heroes, but it does get divided among them.
@@AndrewArtsClaiming to have "no ego" often signals the presence of ego, as it implies a self-perception that sets someone apart from others. The ego is the minds mechanism for comparison, so whenever you see someone comparing themselves to others saying things like "they have ego, I don't" that statemen is coming from their ego. This concept is called "The Ego of No Ego" which is what I pointed out.
17:55 that hypporider with bloodlust and frenzy changed the bow to a machinegun :D :D
Bro working like there was an evaluation coming in the company
as if a hummingbirds heart beat had been weaponized.
Repeater crossbow on a hyppo-rider
15% Evasion and 5 armor give the same EHP (17.64%) if you have 11.66 armor. If you have less, 5 armor is better. If you have more, evasion is better.
Thanks
Yeah, i don't know why people rush it. First get belt of giant strength or khadgar. Then get ring. Then evasion
@@zachariastsampasidis8880 maybe they like gambling?, win big by evade 5times in a row
@@cherrim3881 Gambling is for fools
How do you guys know that ? I always struggle with math, and find it absolutely fascinating when you talk about mines, dmg output or what item is best
Which is weird, because i hate lol for that
Anyway, good stuff keep being savant
Grubby: Lich doesn't scale well past level 5
Also Grubby: proceeds to get a second Lich
Archer hippo hippo archer gives off some pen pineapple apple pen energy
True haha
👁️👄👁️
You should micro mg taunts a bit after you reach the enemy army since they lag behind your army when they taunt first before engaging
09:43 considered especially A N U S
This was Nerzul dream. Urther as a Death knight 😂
We need the ancient protector as a unit. The ents are going to war! Or at least a mountain giant skin lol
Isn't banshe possesion realy big when you have gold advantage? By quickly removing their units with possesion it should make gold difrence more flash out. Do you think it's right? It should also work nicely to reduce oponet stack oportunits, buy trading well even aginst dobule line of oponets.
Thanks Grubby for presenting this mode to me. I'm having a good time❤
Blues score at the end was insane
Most of your air units were at bottom side - which is also where the blue enemy placed most of his tanks. Wouldn't have been useful to put your air units on top so that they DPS longer and avoid the mass tank damage ?
I've been experimenting with 4 gold mines rush + tier 1 spam (only doing that if I get footman or grunt and if I have either shamans or dryads for early dispell) and it's been working quite wonderfully. I just make large tier 1 army like whole two rows of mixed ranged 1 row and melee 1 row. Somehow it works, especially if you start third and can rush the hero. Prioritize tank hero so you can skip some low tier melee units. Maybe you could try it too?
Duude why did Grubby avoid banshees so hard? Curse and AMS should be fine and posession is just *chefs kiss
Also why not take 4th mine? If game is this long it should be a must imo
@@anotherrandom1The point is it's not easy to tell how long games gonna last. However 3 mines are pretty shredded
@@anotherrandom1 it takes 12 min before you earned it back. So you are weaker for 12 min compared to no mine, thats a long time. If that makes you lose mid it could cost you the game
@@MrTisjeboy it doesn't take 12 min. 4 mines will earn their value back in exactly 9 minutes and 45 seconds with build cooldown.
@@TheIlidius oh I was wrong indeed, I thought the cost of 4th mine was 350 but I guess its 300. But it takes 10 min to earn 4th mine back if it costs 300 gold. (1 g per 2 sec = 0.5/1sec, 300/0.5/60=10). So that fpr the 4th mine only. If you count from the first mine with all the building cooldowns and stuff its way more
If I watch another one of these videos I’m going to have to just buy the game.
Grubby is getting addicted to DS now😂
Now?
Lol this happened a while ago
And I hate it
@@kamikazestriker4675 why? I just want to know the reason, as a 1v1 and 4v4 regular mode player, I feel like I really like DS too.
come on grubby! banshees counter chims w curse, and can hit possess on those knights crushing your mgs
Yay, more healthy wc3 games of DS2
"I have no ego"
"5 heading"
"at least i get xp now"
dead
Did you say Lich tho? …put a smile on my face
the hero xp thing is cool, but it also gives 200 xp to the single hero who killed both of you, should it happen (like panda in this example).
invis + BBV is my new fav combo
Grubbs it’s been 4 hours you should have uploaded another direct strike video by now
Has Death and Decay been buffed? 2% HP per tick seems low
I just can't bring myself to make archers... why the hell is the worst ranged unit also so expensive? They have less HP and damage than the other ranged units, but fiends are the only ones more expensive than archers. And fiends have some usage against enemies with air units. Archers don't even have Elune's Grace in this mode... They really need a price reduction or a buff xP
Range
@@zachariastsampasidis8880 having slightly more range doesn't justify their higher price, since they have less health, less dps and worse armor type than their counterparts...
@@Khantia it absolutely does, range is literally the most critical thing to ensure longevity
@Grubby mine math. All mine 900. 2Gold per second. 7.5min of 4 mines pays them off. With mine delay, as long as you own mid you will have equal gold. Tech is the only thing that sets you back in value. 4mine T1 for president 2024!
Yes, 4th mine takes 10mins to pay, however 1st mine only takes around 5. So average 7.5. just buy all units between mine cd and for wave start. I only T2 for dispel. Btw in SC2 I only tech for detect lol
In 1v1 would you rush T3 without filling your gold and lumber lolololol
if only enemy heros cant farm your low tier units with AOE spells and passives xddd
@@rev9115 yeah but we're talking XP pool that is 5x ? the size of normal. Btw mines 900, I debate the 4th. Every hero 500. Both tech 250 450. Like is 300 mine really that scary? It's cause value lost with flat tech cost that only unlocks. MG isn't 310... It's 310per+250+450+150+100 before useful
10 gold every 20 sec .5 gold/sec
My game usually last 25 mins
300 gold with .5 per sec is 10 min alone. U Can't get it until 6/7 min. So if rushed pays off starting 17 min we say. It needs 360 sec so 6 more min to offer you 1 more huntresses. Or 620 sec to offer you 1 MG.
So 27 min in you get 1 more MG.
But you already lost.
Dont go 4 mines at 7 min get 2 necros you'll get middle and get your bonus gold.
Games are highly scalable meaning you can rarely win if you dont have mid (my games at least).
I often dont go second mine.
I got 1500 mmr 40 games. 51% winrate. So not really confident in my assumption but my math should be good
I think building nothing in the first round might be a good idea... The tower's gonna kill the enemy units without taking a lot of damage, anyway.
i keep thinking there's a new wc3 video up
Are MGs nerfed in Direct Strike compared to melee? They seem to die very fast.
Yeah every unit has different stats to balance this mode
Do we get mid control? Gotta see that mid control
Is grubby getting MMR from wc3 champs?
when oppo had nothing, why not go ham and break tower instead of goldmine?
Should MGs get a Warclub upgrade?
People's ego totally plays a role in it 💀💀 I didn't play a lot of ladder BECAUSE my primary practice was always my older brother who was always FAR superior to me in WC3. But instead of trying to train harder (i mean, I played TONS of wc3 as a kid and teenager, just not always the normal gameplay but sometimes melee) But my brother always seemed better, and HE didn't even play ladder. So i thought.. if i cant even best my bro eho won't play ladder, why would I play ladder?
Turns out.. it's not as hard as I thought.. Just needed to practice one build order and get relatively good at it to compete with like 1 in 4 people lmao
if you have 3 of the same heroes, ability AI doesn't distinguish, right?
that's an interesting point
if you have 3 potms with starfall, you probably don't want all 3 to use it at the same time
Does wc3 go on sale on black friday?
Possession could have been so good (I think)
Is it ever good to be more than 1 mine ahead of your team mates? Having 2+2 is cheaper than 1+3 while giving the same gold to your team
not worth frost armour a little before battle?
Why did grubster try to counter siege tank with units that deal 35% damage for so long?
Amazing game Grubby! also,
Why does your necromancer look hispanic?
ok ive actually started winning in ds i just kept losing dude i think my mistake was overthinking upgrades way too much especially mid game
very nice game mode
What if exp is given to the last hitter?
Didn't know you can invis BBW? Is that only in Direct Strike or?
It would be pretty hard to do in melee considering you would need a Shadow Hunter lvl6 and an adept sorceress
@@garagavia
Just checked. As expected, it doesn't work. Or rather, it works for about half a second.
Any game with 3 wardens?
banshee poss not good?
so which comp exactly is S tier?
pog
Big Frosty Liches
Really? Someone is using Win7? This OS didn't get security updates since 2020 (or 2023 if you've paid for it, which I doubt, this guy was doing). Good luck being online
lvl 38? holy moly
i think any items on heros but auras is probably a waste
valve cant make their own direct strike now, because of blizzard policy on custom maps... and i dont think that current blizzard will make their own direct strike game of this
It works well inside Warcraft 3 tho
Blizzard doesn't own the concept, they just have moral ownership of the mode, meaning they can create their own, same name and all, without consent from or crediting the original creators of the map. Valve just has to not name it Direct Strike and they can do whatever they want
@@rield56 are you sure? what if this was done in the old editor?
Panda should be in SSS tier tho
moarr direct strike!!
Who the hell says you can’t go melee hero with hunts? That’s nonsense, what logic says they don’t work?
Melee hero gets targeted and dies early, cause hunts are ranged, so then your hero does not level up. It's not that you can't do it it's just bad
@@garagavia yeah, DH for soaking dmg while your hunts wreck stuff isn’t bad. Pit lord with howl is fine. Just set your hero to the side and you’ll be fine. Later if you have spirit link, even better. Panda is always good no matter what, just position your hero a little farther back and off to the side.
05:34 - The available experience per round per player is the same, regardless of whether other players' heroes are present.
This amount doesn't change if you have multiple heroes, but it does get divided among them.
12:21 this is called "The Ego of No Ego"
I'm not sure if he is serious though
That's what ego people would accuse him of, yes. Because their ego is so big they can't accept someone's got no ego. It's called "projection"
@@AndrewArtsClaiming to have "no ego" often signals the presence of ego, as it implies a self-perception that sets someone apart from others. The ego is the minds mechanism for comparison, so whenever you see someone comparing themselves to others saying things like "they have ego, I don't" that statemen is coming from their ego. This concept is called "The Ego of No Ego" which is what I pointed out.
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Instead of getting all those gold mines, investing in army wins the game very early I think
Grubby you suck, 1vs1 any time 10000$. jk i dont even play this game but love your videos.
First
don't zoom in on wc3 models they look disgusting