A Better Sherp? Argo Sasquatch In-Depth Review - We Hit the Swamp in This Amphibious Beast

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  • @wayne-oo
    @wayne-oo หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    An explanation of the drive system ! Was bit by the old Argo chain drive systems that were junk ! Info on transmission,and drive line would be helpful !!!

  • @zrig1
    @zrig1 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    1/4 million ... There goes that idea for deer season.

  • @jtg4002
    @jtg4002 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

    For 200k+, I’ll keep my 4x4 and johnboat.

    • @gordonbyron5145
      @gordonbyron5145 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yes the price is absurd

  • @volvo09
    @volvo09 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Being able to go anywhere is crazy. The sherp style vehicles are one of a kind. Lightweight with balloon tires.

  • @12B0692
    @12B0692 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Super fun vehicle. Definitely for industry and the super wealthy...but, imagine a scaled down version! A kit vehicle that checks some the best boxes here.

    • @bigjay6743
      @bigjay6743 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They had one The original sherp was 50k And it was just dead simple. Apparently people are so soft they all need air conditioner and a 1000 buttons😂

  • @oddball6969
    @oddball6969 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Id take a sherp over this any day...

  • @dr650tim
    @dr650tim หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    The horn and light switch looks exactly like a Kioti tractor part!

  • @ray9880
    @ray9880 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Needs to go thro the middle of Newfoundland during winter. Or go to Labrador on cains quest route. Try out the durability and reliability that way. The price OMG.

  • @mwinner101
    @mwinner101 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Looks awesome! I’m looking forward to your snow review.

  • @PowhiroMus
    @PowhiroMus 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I think you miss the application for Search and Rescue that we use a very old Argo open 6wd for. Not quite adequately.
    Our landscape is mostly flat farm open fields, rivers and then vast desert sand and then where water is, small head high dense scrub and rocky terrain. Plus when it rains or a cyclone drops by, a deep bottomless, clinging , impassable mud appears and everything else is flooded.
    We are too remote for an easy helicopter or anything else so we make do.
    We run flood boats and then wade big 4WDs where possible but the Rescue function often means locating people and then carrying or swimming them out on a raft to a road access point to where medics and ambulances wait. This Argo Sasquatch would be a gift from the Gods!
    Another important role is in searches, getting there fast by road, deploying and doing a first, fast search by UTVs to do a quick scout of the most likely and then if unsuccessful, the long slow, intensive search on foot by search teams checking thoroughly each square of the search area with UTVs running the perimeter, ferrying supplies like food and water, medical supplies or retrieving injured searchers.
    And then, if the search is successful, recovering often stretcher-bound subject or sometimes, carrying out the body bag over long distances of rough ground, often in high heat that kills the unprepared.
    Our team would love two of these, with trailers for 1,000km fast "road" deployments, support for our comms gear and capacity for carrying at least 1 stretcher and medic in attendance, medical gear like a defib and diagnostics to inform the hospital.
    Just the task of rolling down 10 or 20km of a remote, deserted sandy beach to look for a body washing ashore, this Argo would be great.

  • @rdeh1678
    @rdeh1678 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    It's cool , but the sherp has one huge advantage and that you can sleep in it

  • @secondmouse9458
    @secondmouse9458 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Great review, if they were less expensive I would have one already.

    • @Briz-j8z
      @Briz-j8z หลายเดือนก่อน

      A loaded tracked Argo is $ 50k, 4x4 diesel pick up $ 120k . These are not toys.

  • @alphamelvin9711
    @alphamelvin9711 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I'm more impressed with the old square body in the background...

  • @UserFormelyKnownAs_hjkh
    @UserFormelyKnownAs_hjkh หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nice to see argo finally do something other than the ol' trusty 6x6 or 8x8 with a ower engine

  • @extreme978
    @extreme978 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    $190 thousand dollars??😮I thought your fan base was regular people, blue collars. I could see maybe $25k for this silly toy, but for 200k, id buy a house!

    • @dfro7159
      @dfro7159 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It’s an industry tool. Only a toy for the rich. They are very useful and remarkable in what they can tackle

    • @InChristAloneForever
      @InChristAloneForever หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Built in Canada. That raises the price right there.

    • @T410ce
      @T410ce 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The price isn’t surprising in today’s economy. Have you seen what a Can-Am Defender is going for? Top of the line 4 door defender is like $40,000 😂

  • @Zanderthelab
    @Zanderthelab หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I wish my father was a dad to me like your dad is to you!

  • @-Moloc-
    @-Moloc- หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Surprisingly heavy, didn't think these would be 5200lbs.

    • @ml9867
      @ml9867 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I thought it would be much heavier.

  • @saltymofo5870
    @saltymofo5870 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Well, I now know what happened to Thurmon Murmon after his Bad Santa gig played out

  • @doubled3983
    @doubled3983 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Hello from Oklahoma! Interesting. After the specs part its best to turn the sound off. The dudes needs to lay off the constant jibber jabber. It would've been nice to hear the machine. Just my opinion.

  • @Kjhgr01
    @Kjhgr01 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I would have like to have this when Hurricane Milton hit us last week!

  • @Grenvilleter
    @Grenvilleter หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Really cool machine but, no access port to swing a fishing rod thru. Seriously, give floatable features on a smaller machine so I can drive 20 kms to a nice trout lake and drive over to my fav spot to catch me a trail lunch.

  • @Ned-p1y
    @Ned-p1y หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Gave you a sub from Upstate New York

  • @benmayhew373
    @benmayhew373 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Great video gents. One question, how do you get the ladder and door/window closed once you are up and in it if you are alone or 2 people are going and nobody is left outside of it? 👍🇨🇦

    • @tkpowersports
      @tkpowersports  หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      If you take a look at 6:19 you'll see a steel cable that's attached to the bottom of the steps up to the inside of the cab and a pull handle hanging down from the glass. Those are there to pull the glass down and the steps up from inside.

    • @benmayhew373
      @benmayhew373 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@tkpowersportsawesome thanks

  • @abqcrutch
    @abqcrutch หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That's a cool & super capable. I was laughing along with you guys.

  • @tylermacconnell217
    @tylermacconnell217 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

    $200k and you get a Hyundai engine? Yuck.

    • @robqwertyuipp8750
      @robqwertyuipp8750 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      According to the Argo dealer website it is 240 000 plus taxes and fees .
      Expensive

    • @bradleytalbot8618
      @bradleytalbot8618 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      100,000 mile warranty!!!!

    • @tkpowersports
      @tkpowersports  หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      For what it's worth it's actually a Doosan turbo diesel. Hyundai acquired Doosan and just put its name on the engine.

    • @Uhmm485
      @Uhmm485 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      Well, Hyundai makes some pretty decent heavy machinery. The world is a big place outside of the US.

    • @jasonsparks4601
      @jasonsparks4601 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Tell us you don't know that Hyundai is a major player in commercial/industrial vehicles worldwide....the government has given you the version of their vehicles we see in America.

  • @atvseatexchange2176
    @atvseatexchange2176 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Looks like fun guys.

  • @randysavage8963
    @randysavage8963 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Insane unit looks very tippy 😂. Great video fellas

  • @mikewieggers3139
    @mikewieggers3139 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Argo and Sherp had an arrangement a few years ago. I'm not too sure what Argo got out of the deal, but Sherp got use of Agro's distribution network. I'm thinking that Agro got access to Sherp's drawings and specs.

  • @alexmaclean1
    @alexmaclean1 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Now I just want one a little more manageable in size but of similar design lol

  • @jfk19780
    @jfk19780 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    omg...i just ordered a case of these .. didnt have to pay shipping and handling on the latter

  • @rlwpac96
    @rlwpac96 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    At the price some folks are saying- I can’t even finish watching the video. Who is the intended market?

  • @stephaneracicot791
    @stephaneracicot791 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    ya super fun .....Tabarnaque that thing flips on its side so easy i know.....keep your argos guys go moose hunt in cutover with that and see way way up northern ontario...and try it in a cut over you will flip it first day out,,,down south ontario always nice perfect.. trailer it up for 700km highway then another 150km logging road then youl see cochrabe ontario area,,

  • @427Ron
    @427Ron หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That was a great video

  • @DirtyBob200X
    @DirtyBob200X 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    If you can afford it, it would be the ultimate hunting vehicle.

  • @ledebuhr1
    @ledebuhr1 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I still don't see why that should cost $190k. Dose Sherp have a patent on that design and Argo is paying a high license fee to build them.

    • @rogermccaslin5963
      @rogermccaslin5963 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Dude, it's got a stereo. 😁

    • @lpdirv
      @lpdirv 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Its a semi custom vehicle with low production rates. For the oil patch, this is a good work vehicle. And if you think its overkill you probably have never worked in northern Canada. Compared to chartering a helicopter its quite reasonable, especially when working in Muskeg.

    • @larrywoolford8978
      @larrywoolford8978 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@lpdirvAgreed , a lot of these comments are coming from guys who are comparing these machines to a SxS and they are not that, they are an industrial machine not a toy .

  • @liamrobinson2084
    @liamrobinson2084 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Great video! Is Argo making these, or are they just a rebadged Sherp? Are there mechanical differences?

    • @tkpowersports
      @tkpowersports  หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      It is not a rebadged Sherp. It's an Argo designed vehicle and it's built in New Hamburg, On.

    • @vladshcolnik2624
      @vladshcolnik2624 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This is simply a stolen Sherp design. They were Sherp distributors and took advantage of it.

    • @jasonmorehouse3756
      @jasonmorehouse3756 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@tkpowersportsfyi. Argo and sharp are a co-brands now. Have been for about a year or more

    • @jasonmorehouse3756
      @jasonmorehouse3756 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Argo and sherp entered in a co-branding about a year ago

    • @jasonmorehouse3756
      @jasonmorehouse3756 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@vladshcolnik2624Sharp and Argo are co-brands now they entered an agreement

  • @yorkchris10
    @yorkchris10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I wonder if every region will make these kind of machines like the tracked vehicles. There must be a maintenance advantage. Foremost makes some very large tracked vehicles.
    I think Perkins were used quite a bit for the smaller vehicles, but maybe support went to China anyways.

  • @gordonbyron5145
    @gordonbyron5145 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Chinese made diesel engine, $2000
    Few square meters of aluminium sheet, $1000
    Transmission, $2000
    4 big tires, $3000
    Other random parts. $2500
    MSRP = $145,000

  • @Chef-James
    @Chef-James หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'd like to see this top heavy toy cross a river with some swift current.

  • @sudilos1172
    @sudilos1172 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This the new mail truck for the hurricane disaster zones?

  • @1ofmanyforJesus
    @1ofmanyforJesus 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I was thinking it was 20 grand at the most. 240 grand is a lot of fun machines and a vacation or five.

  • @rdeh1678
    @rdeh1678 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    At least sherpa gives you a real motor

  • @donaldliverance2597
    @donaldliverance2597 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The TUT TRUCK is the best sherp styled vehicle

  • @UncleRayRayGarageEmporium
    @UncleRayRayGarageEmporium หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Quiet on the set!

  • @blainekresse91
    @blainekresse91 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Lets see this go head to head with a sherp.

  • @randybeard6040
    @randybeard6040 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Large Companies could afford these Machines as they could write them off-cost of doing business but for common folks, they are rather Pricy...

  • @lennyray42
    @lennyray42 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Even when used on marketplace these things are still ridiculously priced.

  • @tmur2124
    @tmur2124 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Maybe i missed it but If it rolls in the mud or the water onto its roof is there a hatch in the floor to escape if your unable to open the doors?

  • @frankrussell2200
    @frankrussell2200 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Looks great. Can it keep up with a sherp Pro 1000.

  • @jamielombardo5292
    @jamielombardo5292 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Same problem is the pickup trucks way way overpriced

  • @PaulJenner-xr4ks
    @PaulJenner-xr4ks 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm sure a small water jet could be fitted? For a quarter of a million they should.

  • @NewfieRC
    @NewfieRC หลายเดือนก่อน

    Try out a new Aodes ATV or UTV! Give us an opinion on one of them compared to say a CF Moto and a CAN AM

  • @a-a-ronname1319
    @a-a-ronname1319 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I would take a sherp. I want the SUV to store stuff and sleep in back. How is a truck bed helpful?

  • @christopherkeene3647
    @christopherkeene3647 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Anyone remember those 6 tire floating things in the 70s

  • @icare7151
    @icare7151 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome!

  • @keithbender6382
    @keithbender6382 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Put a shagt driven turbo prop in the water with it n watch it move in that water

  • @Just_Joe71
    @Just_Joe71 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Are they good in the deep snow?

  • @claudenormandeau9211
    @claudenormandeau9211 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wondered what happened to you. We haven't seen you for some time when you were with TFL.

  • @SIC-SEMPER-TYRANNIS
    @SIC-SEMPER-TYRANNIS 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I have a 2000 Argo 6x6 bigfoot. It's a POS that gets stuck in a foot of snow.

  • @AnotherReincarnation_No84
    @AnotherReincarnation_No84 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very little internal volume, what is the use for this vehicle in the cold if you can't sleep in it? Deck is quite useless too

  • @Dan-qt7kq
    @Dan-qt7kq หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good for Argo. They made a great machine, but just not practical. So I hope this takes off.

  • @JimGrimes-w6f
    @JimGrimes-w6f 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    They got the idea from sherp

    • @JettoGospel
      @JettoGospel 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That's true but the ironic thing is that they will claim the Russians copied it from them very soon cos damn Russians and Chinese copy everything.

  • @randytaylor1814
    @randytaylor1814 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Fuel saw etc in the back enclosed tent above back ...nice potential ...100 k less ...

  • @Marvin-fn7ks
    @Marvin-fn7ks หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think it is overpriced. I wouldn’t want to try crossing water with any real current or wind as you would be in big trouble! It needs a built in propeller. At this price it should be as nice inside as a modern farm tractor . I am happy that it is a Canadian company though .

  • @lennyross2813
    @lennyross2813 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The problem I have with sherpas is that when you turn you lose power to half of traction to the wheels.

  • @brewgardsrg
    @brewgardsrg หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    You lost me at Hyundai .

  • @Semper1776Fidelis
    @Semper1776Fidelis 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hit the swamp hell, you'd have to hit a bank. Ridiculous price.

  • @larrymeadows9991
    @larrymeadows9991 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very would If I had a use I would get this bad boy

  • @nickibateson1466
    @nickibateson1466 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do they sell one with less electronics in it ? I would like one that’s very very simple air for the tiers that’s about it really.

  • @neoaliphant
    @neoaliphant 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    but you cant sleep in it like a sherp

  • @Ryan-wk7us
    @Ryan-wk7us หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    You get a kia motor lmao

  • @ml9867
    @ml9867 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The top speed is 25 mph in American.

  • @selfaware114
    @selfaware114 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    71” tires you must be 8’ tall?

  • @scottrocher1388
    @scottrocher1388 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    When did Sherp stop making these for Argo?

    • @vladshcolnik2624
      @vladshcolnik2624 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      This is simply a stolen Sherp design. They were Sherp distributors and took advantage of it.

    • @jasonmorehouse3756
      @jasonmorehouse3756 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@vladshcolnik2624incorrect sharp and Argo are co-brands. Now. You need to educate yourself kid. I suggest you quit flapping your lips on the topic you don't understand

    • @jasonmorehouse3756
      @jasonmorehouse3756 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Sharp and Argo are a co-brand now. They entered into an agreement over a year ago

  • @bcpioneer59
    @bcpioneer59 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If those are 6' tall tires you must be 7'8" tall lol

    • @barharborbasher249
      @barharborbasher249 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Exactly what I was thinking. Ridiculous

  • @jeffery1524
    @jeffery1524 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If I was rich enough. I would buy a house in Alaska just to get one

  • @EddyJean-claude
    @EddyJean-claude หลายเดือนก่อน

    Funny thing is...there are sherps clearly visible in my suggestions right below this clip. They're ECACTLY THE SAME!!!

    • @jasonmorehouse3756
      @jasonmorehouse3756 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That would be because Argo and sherp are co-brands now. They entered into an agreement over a year ago

  • @maggiemgg1
    @maggiemgg1 หลายเดือนก่อน

    71 inch tires,the man must be 7 ft tall

    • @jasonmorehouse3756
      @jasonmorehouse3756 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Mouth wasn't. Your best subject was a kid?

  • @mrshort2379
    @mrshort2379 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    @TKPowersports i think the Sasqutch is absolutely awesome.. However every time I see content of those type of vehicles it is always in some type of marshy type or flatland never in mountainous terrain like the hills of Kentucky or Tennessee. also I know you do not care, but at those prices, it's going to be just like a Sasquatch, allusive mythical and impossible to find. a poor sure wont be owning one.

    • @randybeard6040
      @randybeard6040 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Don't know if those Tires could handle Mtn. Rock or Sharp Tree Limbs...

  • @davidnaismith2326
    @davidnaismith2326 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Not much of a test. Compared to all the sherp videos showing it's capabilities, it didn't begin to show the vehicles limits. By the way, you are not fighting currents in that little pond. The motion is like a boat. It wants to continue on it's original path when it is floating unless you make the corrections to change that path.

  • @Orginal_Sinner
    @Orginal_Sinner หลายเดือนก่อน

    When i see the name Argo i think of Star Citizen

  • @JoeBlow-nh7mp
    @JoeBlow-nh7mp 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    200 000$ US for this? holy cow

  • @dereklancaster2303
    @dereklancaster2303 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wish they were more attainable for us reg. Folks

  • @ElJeFe556
    @ElJeFe556 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Did anyone know that Argo purchased the Sherp company only for a short time before Sherp purchased the company back because Argo was trying to put cheaper parts and an inferior enging in the sherp? So the answer is NO, argo CANT build a better Sherp.

    • @jasonmorehouse3756
      @jasonmorehouse3756 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You need to educate yourself kid. They didn't purchase them and they didn't purchase themselves back. They entered into an agreement as co-brands. It's a partnership. Educate yourself kid before flapping your lips on the topic you don't understand

  • @brianolson1211
    @brianolson1211 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    foolish price, not even the big companies will buy this

  • @joeracerable
    @joeracerable หลายเดือนก่อน

    More toys for rich people. Now make an affordable one for everyone else. For 200 grand it should come fully loaded.

  • @2011samv
    @2011samv 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA 240 grand?!?!? LMFAO!

  • @bigjay6743
    @bigjay6743 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I remember when the first sherp came out they were around 50k Then people started liking them so they went up to a 100k Now they have to have all the amenities and they're a 150k how is this one worth more than a sherp. Cool toy but I'd rather buy another house. They have such a dead simple drive train I don't understand how they are so much money.

  • @cattlerepairmancattlerepai9414
    @cattlerepairmancattlerepai9414 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    A quarter Million for an ATV. Yes, right. For the super wealthy and a few commercial uses, maybe.

  • @shaun8256
    @shaun8256 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Twice the price, half the load capacity, a tenth the reliability with that motor. Heck 100k for a sherp is sounding not so bad if your going to get a hyundia engine for 200k. Sherp has skid plates because they know it's going off road. Turn signals mean absolutely nothing off road, how well does a touch screen work when your hands are covered in mud or when it gets wet! More than twice the price for a third the vehicle!

  • @egidiomeola
    @egidiomeola 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Should have a CAT engine

  • @perrybernard1308
    @perrybernard1308 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think i would prefer an Atlas. 100 grand cheaper

  • @vladshcolnik2624
    @vladshcolnik2624 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is simply a stolen Sherp design. They were Sherp distributors and took advantage of it.

    • @jasonmorehouse3756
      @jasonmorehouse3756 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Incorrect again. You need to quit typing this kid

  • @4fuzzybear
    @4fuzzybear 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Argo built that for Government and big oil to buy.
    How about one for the people. $200 k is out of control.

  • @jfarmer9808
    @jfarmer9808 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How many spare engines come with it Hyundai lmao yanmar or isuzu with a 70k pricetag then maybe bol argo looks like u sold 1

  • @marcgamelin2514
    @marcgamelin2514 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    AH! Stolen sherp engineering documents ...lol

    • @jasonmorehouse3756
      @jasonmorehouse3756 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Incorrect kid. Argo and sharp entered into an agreement to become co-brands over a year ago. Educate yourself kid

  • @macdorfingfyrslf
    @macdorfingfyrslf หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nevermind it's priced higher than giraffepoosy😢

  • @martysmith8657
    @martysmith8657 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Machine is cool. Price isn’t.

  • @2011samv
    @2011samv 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'd spend my 200k on a critter gitter

  • @Major_Pipps
    @Major_Pipps หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sherp is ok with this company taking their trucks and slapping a different name on it?