Good to see the Hankook company getting some recognition here. Have been very happy in recent years with their products. Good tyres at a good price. Companies like Hankook have to work harder than the older recognised brands to compete, and us consumers win.
EV stock tires are trash. Noisy, rough and wears out faster. Rolling resistance takes away from regenerative braking so I've seen no significant difference in range. EV tires are more expensive for less performance and safety.
Just please don't drive in the snow! ;) I've pulled many a "4wd" out of snow banks because they came stock with summer tires (Bimmers, Audi's, STi's, etc.) and the owner's didn't realize they turn into hockey pucks on cold and snowy roads.
@@brentlanyon4654 Way too many people think "4wd" means they're invincible in snow and ice and they don't have to worry about their tires or their driving habits. F around and find out.
Tires are so important, I wish everyone knew how important quality tires are, not just for weekends in the canyons but for everyday driving to help keep you safe and comfortable (and those around you safe)
Especially snow/winter tires for the winter. "Sorry I crashed into you I lost control of my car because I was running nearly bald summer tires in a snowstorm" 😡😡😡😡😡😡
Sincere question: how many accidents are the result of poor choice of tire or poorly worn tires? My guess is a pretty low percentage. I'm not saying selecting the right tire isn't important, just saying it's probably not important enough to buy the highest quality, most expensive tires on the market. Where's the crossover?
@@jeffpicken5057 that is a really good question, I'm sure some accidents would be prevented by people having slightly better condition tires, but other accidents would need even better condition tires and so on. I'm not sure where the data for this kind of thing would be though
@@jeffpicken5057 I imagine the answer would be entirely based on what environment you were to drive in. If it's snowy conditions I imagine poor choice of tire is very important and has stopped plenty of accidents. I know I have been saved by my winter tires a good few times to say the least.
What i'd love to see is a difference of these EV Summer tires versus a "regular" summer, both on an ICE car. Since the tires are made for heavier GVWR, are they more or less likely to grip on a lighter ICE vehicle, and how would that impact fuel efficiency?
Also on the 4S NO Spec on my Tesla since the TO specs are so hard to find… then I switch over to the Alpin PA4 in the winter. It’s gonna be real hard convincing me to move away from that combo - works so well even on an EV
I just bought a set of these in 305 30 /25. It is the best choice I could make for my Taycan. I am very happy with them. The Hankook's are A LOT quieter!
I did the same! I was also considering de Michelin Pilot Sport 4S, but the Hankook's are a fear bit cheaper. Also, the most noice you experience driving on the highway was from the tires. The Hankook's are A LOT quieter! (still have to test sporty driving capabilities though)
I live in Iceland and I spend the money to change over to summer tires for the 4-5 months a year I can safely use them. The car drives so much better, totally worth it.
I don’t understand the emphasis on low rolling resistance for EV tires, wouldn’t you want low rolling resistance for regular cars too? Seems you should get similar benefits
Q: wouldn’t you want low rolling resistance for regular cars too? A: yes, they've existed for years as part of helping OEM's meet fuel economy and meeting ever stricter emissions standards. understandably if you have little or no association with the Automotive Sector...? you will likely have little to no knowledge of this and might misinterpret this as happening for the FIRST TIME (which it isn't). naturally in terms of the newness of EV's, there's a lot more FOCUS and HYPE surrounding efficiency, with the "larger endgame" being to sell you something and thus SEPARATE you from your money (which it does).
Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan... Tires are cool! You singlehandedly have made me be more careful about the tires on my car, not because of performance, but for safety.
Happy to hear it! I gave a presentation for a tire company a while back to an audience of parents, and we went around the room talking about the tires we had on our cars. One person mentioned they had four *different* tires on their car! Ahhhh! Different levels of grip at each corner certainly is not ideal. You won't regret paying for a good tire the first time you need it.
@@EngineeringExplained Yeah! My tires are still pretty new from the previous owner, and I haven't had to change them yet, but when time comes I'll be sure to do some research and buy good ones, even if I have to pay extra. Stopping distance and wet grip only need to fail you once to ruin your life, so better safe than sorry.
Great info as always! I am embarrassed to admit, I had no idea that summer tires were the best option in the rain! I have always run all-seasons even though my car basically never sees temperatures below 40º, only because I assumed summer tires would be _bad_ in the rain. Now I know. Thanks!
One of the great luxuries I could wish for is the room to store and rotate a set of summer/winter tires and wheels. Until then as nice as these tires are the best single tire is a good quality all terrain.
I’ve always just added 6 psi (cold) to measurably improve the range of any tire without significantly negatively affecting wear or grip. Sometimes ride harshness increases, but usually not significant enough to outweigh the range improvement.
Have you ever done a video on how GM does the cylinder shutdown? My last two Corvettes could run on 4 cylinders when just cruising, to greatly increase fuel milage. I always wondered if they somehow were able to keep the exhaust valves open in the deactivated cylinder to avoid unwanted compression. Also wondered if they shift which 4 cylinders they chose to avoid uneven wear. What ever they do,it works flawlessly and increases mpg to 34-35 on long trips. Pretty good for 495hp high performance car.
best of both world would be a tire that becomes more grippy when you load it with cornering, accelerating or braking, but wouldn't deform much and be efficient under light load when crusing at constant speed. maybe a tire with only the center of tire touching the ground and being much harder, efficient and wear resistant but when you accelerate, decelerate, corner, the mass transfer on rear, front or side tires would make the sticky part of the tire touch and provide more grip
When I bought new summer tires, I made sure that the wet grip has an A rating. I only experienced a loss of grip once (while overtaking on the highway during rain), but having my car turn sideways (like, 90° sideways) to the road while traveling at 130 km/h was more than enough for a lifetime. (No one got harmed, including no cars harmed, but that was a hell of a scare.)
I will say that if I had the money would love to be able to run summer tires and winter tires but since tires are so expensive I cannot. With that being said I have the All-season Hankook Ion Evo tires on my EV and so far they are amazing. Couldn’t ask for a more comfortable and quiet ride.
Southern Ohio. I run summer tires in the summer. I’m originally from Canada and used to winter tires. I replaced my winters with Cross Climate 2 all weather which I believe is way better for the sometime rain, sometimes snow here in the winter.
Hi Jason, love your videos. Just an idea for a video..... the advantages and/or disadvantages of using EV tires on a combustion vehicle. The EV tires sound so great you would want to use them on a conventional performance car as well. I think stiff walls might be one of the biggest things involved. Im not sure if you have covered this in another video though, I do watch most of your vids when I can. Thanks
EVs are heavier because of the batteries. You want a tire that's designed for the weight of your car. I think going too stiff with an EV tire on an ICE car would degrade the ride quality and potentially reduce grip because the contact wont be as full due to the lesser weight than they were designed for.
@@berto1014 i guess the question is, whats the weight of the questionable ice car, and how the ev tires designed. i mean, ev-s are around 1700-2300kg (so their tires should be designed for that weight), but there are LOT of AWD ice cars from 1600kg to 2000kg..... MAY BE there is some loss traction if you put thet EV tyre to a 1200-1300 kg ice veichle....because the wall will be to stiff.
Been using Hankook tyres since I got my 330e. Came equipped with the S1 evo3 and the confort and traction were top notch. Would've tried the iON line but the available dimensions are limited and not available for my wheels - hopefully they expanded in ~60000km till I need new ones
Living in MN, I can't use these without changing them out every season, which is kind of a pain. Unless I buy a second set of rims I can swap them myself. I would love to be able to use a high wear rating summer tire for 365 day use. One of several downsides to living in a cold climate. I just changed my worn OEM MXM4's to Pirelli P Zero's. They are a little mushier and have a bit of a more hollow sound, but overall I like them for all seasons. Will have to see how they do in the winter for final judgement. They're also ~$50 cheaper per tire and have a slightly higher wear rating. Efficiency seems about the same as the MXM4's.
Buy a set of steel wheels and chuck winter tires on them. You can swap them out yourself pretty quickly, and you keep the salt and crud off of your nicer alloy wheels. Sure the steel wheels aren't pretty but your nice wheels will stay nice.
Depending on your vehicle, you may be able to find a user's forum where people sell there used rims for cheap, or do a "group buy" on lots of sets which gets you a discount. That's what I did with my WRX - bought a set of spare stock rims for $200 off some dude and put the summer tires on that, and Nokian winter tires on the other set. That car had a viscous center differential making it critical that you rotate the tires, which for my mileage worked out to be about 6 months. I'd just mark the rims with duct tape and sharpie to know where to put them next season. This does require storage for an extra set of wheels and tires, though.
A high wear rated summer tire is worse than some ll seasons lol. At that point you are much better off with a performance all season like the continental dws06. Seriously, epic all seasons in snow and still pretty damn good in the summer too. Oh and theyre cheap ;)
If you are paying a shop to swap tires on your rims, that's 4 tirrs twice per year, or eight swaps. With two sets of tires you'll probably get four or five years, maybe more, so you are looking at 40 tire mounting charges in all. Buying a second of rims is usually cheaper, unless you drive something exotic. And junkyards sell "guaranteed as new" OEM wheels often for $75 each.
Problem is that I want more range in winter when range is depleted by lower temperatures. In summer the 20%-30% more range makes the additional range on a tire is negligible.
Very informative. I am down to consider these when I need a new set of not-winters. It's pushing it in my climate, as we often see snow in may-september so usually the 'all season' is best for summer.
I would love for you to do a video on when will we reach the limits of performance of an SUV vs a coupe or sedan. Does ground clearance impose a limit, all things being equal (gas SUV vs gas coupe or EV SUV vs EV coupe). Those larger tires and higher ground clearance must have a performance limitation in acceleration or turning/handling.
I just looked up this tire (Hankook iON evo) unfortuently it doesn't have triple A rating for 235/45/R18 it has BAA 69 dB grading for my Tesla Model 3, while B is for dry. This is disapointing! Tesla now fits Michelin E-Primacy on new Higland which has grading ABB 70 dB. But that tire is very bad at wet conditions.
Hankook is a very impressive tire manufacturer. The Ventus S2 evo2 has a decibel rating of 69. I can confirm that these tires are night and day quiet, as compared to Pirelli Cinturato P7 tires on a BMW 428ix sedan.
Can you do a comparison between these ION EVO tires on your 18 inch Martian wheels vs the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires on your 18 inch T Sportline wheels? How does the tire performance compare? Are the EVO's 0-60 times as good? Handling as good? Any info or experience you can share about that?
I’ve been wanting these tires for my Taycan, but they dont yet have the right sizes for it. Hopefully they will by the time my next set are needed. Thanks for the great and informative video!
Hi Jason. I had an interesting discussion with some friends around the question "Why is quick acceleration less energy efficient than slow acceleration?"...on both electric and ICE vehicles. For example, if you are supposed to travel 1 mile, why is it more efficient to accelerate to 60mph in 10 seconds and than cruise for the rest of the mile versus accelerating to 60mph in 5 seconds and than cruise for the rest of the mile? You are basically moving the same mass over the same distance. I had this question in my mind for some time now and I could not find a pleasing answer researching on the Internet. Of course, the simple answer is: "more energy/fuel is transformed into heat, as more pressure is applied to the mechanical parts", but why? and how? and to what point it differs from ICE to electric vehicles? I would love to see a video where you try to explain the principles of physics that could answer this questions. I'm a big fan of this channel BTW. Thank you for the content you are creating here.
Every spring I change the studded winter tyres to summer tyres (both Hankook), the summer tyres are way louder because the compound is so hard on the summer tyres, and the winter tyre is so soft. You can't really hear the studs also.
You may be perfectly okay with it, but I can't help but feel pain when I see you slalom with a Model S yoke. I wince with every over-the-shoulder shot ;).
Sorry for slightly offtopic question. I have an SUV (I know, sorry, but you need 1mph in Austin to exit any parking lot in Austin without hitting the ground while in sedan..). Why dealers only offer all-season tires options for SUVs? If you use the car only in the city where snow falls ONCE every three year for one day and everything stops for this reason anyways, the summer tires would make more sense for reasons mentioned in this video. It feels wrong to go to the dealer and do all the explanations as to why you dare to go for other than default tire selection
I can't really use summers where I live since the nightly lows in my climate never rise above 36°F (~2°C). However, it is nice to have all-seasons in surprise autumn snowstorms, so even if I could, I wouldn't run summers. If I ever move to Florida, California, or Arizona, that will change.
What do you actually think about the tires? Did you notice any increase in range? I’m having trouble finding actual reviews. Also… a question for the Hankook reps, when will these things be available on tire rack. I drive a taycan and would be interested in trying these out.
On our 2006 Prius, the difference between an "eco" tire and just any old tire was 10% on gas mileage. At the time, I didn't know there were better tires for gas mileage, and was pretty shocked at the difference.
You won't get any criticism here from Jason. These videos are little more than advertisements. I don't much like seeing really good TH-camrs compromise their independence like this.
The easiest way I could think to explain it is because an "EV Tyre" is designed to hold a much heavier vehicle (due to the fact EV's have hundereds of pounds worth of batteries) compared to a an ICE car which would be a lot lighter. If you put EV tyres on a normal ICE car then your grip and thus performance and safety would be compromised, sort of a similar idea to overinflating your tyres.
I just wonder if different profiles are available, I'd assume a round profile similar to a ATV tire would be better for cars with swing axle suspension but contact patch is definitely sacrificed there.
What about the issue of ride comfort I find my Telsa Model Y with the perilli scopions have a harsher ride even though they have great grip, tire noise, handling etc.
My question now is how does it affect ICE vehicles? So something compareable to a model 3 performance is a bmw m3. Would the BMW m3 get better mileage and other benefits?
Everyone who lives in an area that has - 0 Cecius or below for more than a month in a year, should have a set of summer tires and a set of winter tires instead of a compromised all season tire.
What is the reason for one tyre (rear right) need more weight (2-3times) than remaining 3 tyre when balancing the wheels ? Every time (~5k km) i go for wheel balancing and rotation ,rear right tyre need more weight and rear left tyre hardly need ay weight.
Love the video, my only counter arguement to that would be the price. Is 30 ‘potential’ miles range a greater saving that I’m assuming this premium price per tyre would be? I would assume not. However, great video, very educational! 👌🏼
When I was a tire technician I learned way more about tires than I really needed. My boss would send me to tire seminars... Yeah tire companies have seminars to brag about their tire compound... We use coconut shells...we use silica to grip ice...we have triple Kevlar belts with steel belts... And of course when installing tires all day everyday you could see which ones were better quality. Some tires would just never balance properly others wouldn't be round out you needed to double the "safe" psi when installing to seat the tires properly. One thing is for certain no seminar ever told me if their tired was bad... always that they were the best
@@extragoode all tire manufacturers have good and bad tires. That's the reality. And I haven't installed a tire in over 20 years now. I had a friend die from a tire explosion and I had 4 when I installed tires... all were different manufacturers with different defects. For the most part budgets tires are just that and expensive tires have a reason to be expensive. The sales staff at a designated tire store will usually avoid showing you the bad tires completely unless it's the only option or you egg them for the lowest possible price
Tell you what, my Tesla has had nothing but horrible luck with the Pirellis (punctures, flats, worn out after 3000 miles) it came with, and then even much worse luck with the Continental DWS 06. Even though the DWS 06 is a 104W tire, I believe it can not handle the weight of the Tesla or the way it puts down power. Way too much sidewall flex. I am eagerly waiting for the Hankook iON evo AS SUV to be available in my size.
Is the weight capacity of the tire all three sets them apart from a not EV summer tire? Wouldn't better rolling resistance benefit ICE vehicles too? Maybe not in range as much, but in cost per mile or tank.
That all sounds good but unfortunately they don’t make them in 235/40 ZR20 (96Y) otherwise I’d purchase a set for my Cupra Born with sports pack tomorrow. I cannot get a single tyre in Australia in this spec from any manufacturer to replace my Michelin Pilot Sport EV tyres which are not available and on back order for the next six months.
$365 per tire. That's a lot of miles at just 6% more efficient to make it worth the price. But I value efficiency over racing performance. Right now I have some Michelin CrossClimate 2's because I live in CO where it can be all seasons within a week.
The Subaru dealer didn't want to install some nice snows i bought for my wrx because the speed rating wasn't high enough. I told them i never drive over 108mph on the ice so don't worry.
Wouldn't technology to create tire with low rolling resistance that retains their grip also be relevant to cars with gas engine? What kind of improvements do they brings in term of range for electric vehicle and MPG for gas vehicles?
Q: Wouldn't technology to create tire with low rolling resistance that retains their grip also be relevant to cars with gas engine? A: yes, it's already been in existence in the Tire Industry for the last 2 to 3 DECADES, so the real issue is you just DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT. no worries, for what i'm sure you DO know about is ever stricter Emission and Fuel Economy Regulations right...? okay well there ya go. btw the trend towards GINORMOUS SUV'S (4000lb to 5000lb) means the weight issue of EV's has already long been dealt with PRIOR to the year 2012 and the release of the Model S. none of this is "all new" or "unforseen".
I'm already on my 3rd set of 60,000mi original equipment Michelin tires for my BoltEV after 72,000 miles. Grrrr. I guess it is just too fun to drive around corners. Will try these Hankook tires next time?
re: "I guess it is just too fun to drive around corners." whoa whoa take it easy LEAD FOOT...!!! 3 sets...? tire rotations are your friend. tell the truth, you just like spending money don't ya...? 😄
The Prius Prime comes with ECO tires from the factory. We got 5 to 10 percent lower fuel milage with winter tires. But slowing down on the highway by 10 kph (when safe) has more effect.
Can someone explain why rolling resistance/efficiency/range isn't considered important for ICE vehicles as well? I don't really get why the extra cost of low resistance tires are worth it for BEV but not ICE.
Jason please look into the much coveted Michelin Pilot Sport 4S Tire labeled "Extra Load" and let us know what you find. apparently it's a fitment for the latest generation Model S Plaid with the Carbon Brakes and Track Pack. Misha just made reference to it in a recent Nurburgring test video he uploaded a few weeks back. much like previous collabs done with BMW (M3), Porsche (911/Taycan) and other brands, it seems to be an OEM spec designed specifically for the Triple Motor Tesla.
Question- if this is suppose to improve milage of an EV can you out them on a ICE car and will it benefit from it? I mean it's a AAA tire and better than 99.999% of the tires out there, why wouldn't you want to use it on your daily?
On my Model 3 Performance, I’ve been running Michelin PS4S but with the Porsche ‘NO’ spec since Tesla’s ‘TO’ spec has been much harder to find since they went with the worse performing Pirelli’s on newer models. I switch over to Michelin Pilot Alpin PA4 for winters when the temps drop. It’s gonna be hard to convince me to switch from that combo… combined with Unplugged Performance upgraded sways, the M3P handles like nothing else I’ve driven with Michelin tread. There’s a reason why Tesla first put Michelins on our cars early on.
Another awesome vid Jason 👏 We are told that tire rotation is very important. But is it? Are we better off rotating tires and replacing them 4 at a time ... or just run them as is, and replace the driven 2 when worn out? Have you ever done the numbers on this Jason?
Climate is important. If I can get away with it, I'd run summers year round. I can't. So for my performance cars (like M3P), I swap tires in late Spring/late Fall. For the Crosstrek, which sees a lot of snow use, I use all-weather because it means I'm not swapping every six months.
No price comparisons? Is it actually WORTH investing in these tytes? How much distance do you have to drive to recuperate the additional cost of the cool R&D bestowed upon the customer as premium price?
I think that depends on the tire place. I live in the Midwest US and have used Discount Tire. I walked in, gave them my car info and what I was looking for, they gave me a couple options and I chose one. I was looking for winter tires on a 2007 Honda Civic, and came out with a set and rims for $750, included was a warranty which I used several times. I’m sure those prices have gone up, as that was 10 years ago 🙃. I personally bought another set of rims for my car so swapping the tires is easy. Discount Tire does it for free for the life of the tire. You just bring the 2nd set in your trunk and they’ll handle the rest. Can’t speak for other shops, but DT has treated me well so far.
That's true people don't buy summer tires in the US because of economic reasons. We are very superficial about tires and look at warranty mileage as our main grading criteria. Price per mileage, it's a marketing plan created by tire stores.
Many in the US don’t need winter tires apart from those more in the north. I’ve personally used summer/winter tire combo as well as all-season and did not notice anything different. MPG on my civic was the same. The all seasons did fine in the winter for the driving I needed - never slipped. Buying an extra set of rims was expensive.
Great video. Regarding the centripetal acceleration of the tire, since the velocity of the tire at the contact patch is zero, the basic v^2/r formula doesn't quite hold, does it? It seems like there would be some third order stuff going on there.
v^2/r can be used when v is measured relative to the center of the rotation, which moves together with the car's body, and as you alluded to, the outside of the tyre moves relative to the car body (thus also the center of rotation) at the same speed as the car is driving.
Good to see the Hankook company getting some recognition here. Have been very happy in recent years with their products. Good tyres at a good price. Companies like Hankook have to work harder than the older recognised brands to compete, and us consumers win.
That's right Jason, I never use anything but high performance summer tires.
Because our hot boy summer is a high performance summer
EV stock tires are trash. Noisy, rough and wears out faster. Rolling resistance takes away from regenerative braking so I've seen no significant difference in range. EV tires are more expensive for less performance and safety.
Just please don't drive in the snow! ;)
I've pulled many a "4wd" out of snow banks because they came stock with summer tires (Bimmers, Audi's, STi's, etc.) and the owner's didn't realize they turn into hockey pucks on cold and snowy roads.
@@brentlanyon4654 Way too many people think "4wd" means they're invincible in snow and ice and they don't have to worry about their tires or their driving habits. F around and find out.
@@JakkiPi"Rolling resistance take away from regenerative braking"
How about no?
KEEP UP THE SEXY TIRE CONTENT 😍😍 Edit, I've actually tested this tyre vs the IC version, it was a fun experiment
And what were the results?
A link to the results would be great!
Tires are so important, I wish everyone knew how important quality tires are, not just for weekends in the canyons but for everyday driving to help keep you safe and comfortable (and those around you safe)
Especially snow/winter tires for the winter.
"Sorry I crashed into you I lost control of my car because I was running nearly bald summer tires in a snowstorm" 😡😡😡😡😡😡
Sincere question: how many accidents are the result of poor choice of tire or poorly worn tires? My guess is a pretty low percentage. I'm not saying selecting the right tire isn't important, just saying it's probably not important enough to buy the highest quality, most expensive tires on the market. Where's the crossover?
@@jeffpicken5057 that is a really good question, I'm sure some accidents would be prevented by people having slightly better condition tires, but other accidents would need even better condition tires and so on. I'm not sure where the data for this kind of thing would be though
@@jeffpicken5057 I imagine the answer would be entirely based on what environment you were to drive in. If it's snowy conditions I imagine poor choice of tire is very important and has stopped plenty of accidents. I know I have been saved by my winter tires a good few times to say the least.
@@arog7493 for sure! But the question is, ‘of all the accidents that occur, how many are BECAUSE of bad tires?’
What i'd love to see is a difference of these EV Summer tires versus a "regular" summer, both on an ICE car. Since the tires are made for heavier GVWR, are they more or less likely to grip on a lighter ICE vehicle, and how would that impact fuel efficiency?
Tyrereviews made a video about that already
@@CerberusTenshilink
@@KhanJoltrane I did it on an EV not a IC vehicle
@@CerberusTenshi Only thing is, those videos contain almost no scientific evidence. At least, most of the ones I've watched.
Why? They're not made for ICE vehicles. Why wouldn't you buy tires for your vehicle, rather than buying a really good tire for an EV?
It would be handy to compare against the benchmark Michelin Pilot Sport 4s
I would love to see that too. I have 4s on my Tesla. They are great. Curious about these tires too
Also on the 4S NO Spec on my Tesla since the TO specs are so hard to find… then I switch over to the Alpin PA4 in the winter. It’s gonna be real hard convincing me to move away from that combo - works so well even on an EV
I just bought a set of these in 305 30 /25. It is the best choice I could make for my Taycan. I am very happy with them. The Hankook's are A LOT quieter!
I did the same! I was also considering de Michelin Pilot Sport 4S, but the Hankook's are a fear bit cheaper. Also, the most noice you experience driving on the highway was from the tires. The Hankook's are A LOT quieter! (still have to test sporty driving capabilities though)
It's been a year, have you had to replace them yet?
This is the best comercial I've ever watched. Informative and fun to watch.
I live in Iceland and I spend the money to change over to summer tires for the 4-5 months a year I can safely use them. The car drives so much better, totally worth it.
I don’t understand the emphasis on low rolling resistance for EV tires, wouldn’t you want low rolling resistance for regular cars too? Seems you should get similar benefits
Q: wouldn’t you want low rolling resistance for regular cars too? A: yes, they've existed for years as part of helping OEM's meet fuel economy and meeting ever stricter emissions standards. understandably if you have little or no association with the Automotive Sector...? you will likely have little to no knowledge of this and might misinterpret this as happening for the FIRST TIME (which it isn't). naturally in terms of the newness of EV's, there's a lot more FOCUS and HYPE surrounding efficiency, with the "larger endgame" being to sell you something and thus SEPARATE you from your money (which it does).
Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan... Tires are cool! You singlehandedly have made me be more careful about the tires on my car, not because of performance, but for safety.
Happy to hear it! I gave a presentation for a tire company a while back to an audience of parents, and we went around the room talking about the tires we had on our cars. One person mentioned they had four *different* tires on their car! Ahhhh! Different levels of grip at each corner certainly is not ideal. You won't regret paying for a good tire the first time you need it.
@@EngineeringExplained Yeah! My tires are still pretty new from the previous owner, and I haven't had to change them yet, but when time comes I'll be sure to do some research and buy good ones, even if I have to pay extra. Stopping distance and wet grip only need to fail you once to ruin your life, so better safe than sorry.
@@soloyoujo Worst thing is stopping distance and wet grip only need to fail once from somebody else's poor choices to ruin someone else's life. :(
@@mjc0961 Yep. That's true too.
"My never worked a day in my life hands". GOLD
Glad someone heard it haha 😉
Great info as always! I am embarrassed to admit, I had no idea that summer tires were the best option in the rain! I have always run all-seasons even though my car basically never sees temperatures below 40º, only because I assumed summer tires would be _bad_ in the rain. Now I know. Thanks!
One of the great luxuries I could wish for is the room to store and rotate a set of summer/winter tires and wheels. Until then as nice as these tires are the best single tire is a good quality all terrain.
Love to see Jason enjoying everything he does, from explaining engineering, to driving. Hopeful 😊
I’ve always just added 6 psi (cold) to measurably improve the range of any tire without significantly negatively affecting wear or grip. Sometimes ride harshness increases, but usually not significant enough to outweigh the range improvement.
30 more miles!! That is going to give my gen 1 Leaf nearly 50% more range..... sold. 😊
Don’t ask for your money back when it gives you 3 miles of range
Haha, we were assuming 200 miles driven (see math at 11:00). (I can read sarcasm but many here cannot 😉).
Imagine on ebikes 😂
Used Hankook S1 Evo 1, 2 n 3, V12 evo n Evo2, RS2, RSS Z211 and Dynapro
I can Attest Hankook provides Value for $$ with Good Grip esp in Wet
Have you ever done a video on how GM does the cylinder shutdown? My last two Corvettes could run on 4 cylinders when just cruising, to greatly increase fuel milage. I always wondered if they somehow were able to keep the exhaust valves open in the deactivated cylinder to avoid unwanted compression. Also wondered if they shift which 4 cylinders they chose to avoid uneven wear. What ever they do,it works flawlessly and increases mpg to 34-35 on long trips. Pretty good for 495hp high performance car.
best of both world would be a tire that becomes more grippy when you load it with cornering, accelerating or braking, but wouldn't deform much and be efficient under light load when crusing at constant speed. maybe a tire with only the center of tire touching the ground and being much harder, efficient and wear resistant but when you accelerate, decelerate, corner, the mass transfer on rear, front or side tires would make the sticky part of the tire touch and provide more grip
When I bought new summer tires, I made sure that the wet grip has an A rating.
I only experienced a loss of grip once (while overtaking on the highway during rain), but having my car turn sideways (like, 90° sideways) to the road while traveling at 130 km/h was more than enough for a lifetime.
(No one got harmed, including no cars harmed, but that was a hell of a scare.)
I will say that if I had the money would love to be able to run summer tires and winter tires but since tires are so expensive I cannot. With that being said I have the All-season Hankook Ion Evo tires on my EV and so far they are amazing. Couldn’t ask for a more comfortable and quiet ride.
Southern Ohio. I run summer tires in the summer. I’m originally from Canada and used to winter tires. I replaced my winters with Cross Climate 2 all weather which I believe is way better for the sometime rain, sometimes snow here in the winter.
Hi Jason, love your videos. Just an idea for a video..... the advantages and/or disadvantages of using EV tires on a combustion vehicle. The EV tires sound so great you would want to use them on a conventional performance car as well. I think stiff walls might be one of the biggest things involved. Im not sure if you have covered this in another video though, I do watch most of your vids when I can. Thanks
EVs are heavier because of the batteries. You want a tire that's designed for the weight of your car. I think going too stiff with an EV tire on an ICE car would degrade the ride quality and potentially reduce grip because the contact wont be as full due to the lesser weight than they were designed for.
the noise cancelling foam also useless on ICE vehicle.
I think he made a video like this a while ago. I'm not sure, but you can check.
@@berto1014 i guess the question is, whats the weight of the questionable ice car, and how the ev tires designed. i mean, ev-s are around 1700-2300kg (so their tires should be designed for that weight), but there are LOT of AWD ice cars from 1600kg to 2000kg.....
MAY BE there is some loss traction if you put thet EV tyre to a 1200-1300 kg ice veichle....because the wall will be to stiff.
Still can’t find this tire on stock and no test comparing them with OE Michelin PS4, Michelin PS EV or E-Primacy.
Been using Hankook tyres since I got my 330e. Came equipped with the S1 evo3 and the confort and traction were top notch. Would've tried the iON line but the available dimensions are limited and not available for my wheels - hopefully they expanded in ~60000km till I need new ones
Living in MN, I can't use these without changing them out every season, which is kind of a pain. Unless I buy a second set of rims I can swap them myself. I would love to be able to use a high wear rating summer tire for 365 day use. One of several downsides to living in a cold climate.
I just changed my worn OEM MXM4's to Pirelli P Zero's. They are a little mushier and have a bit of a more hollow sound, but overall I like them for all seasons. Will have to see how they do in the winter for final judgement. They're also ~$50 cheaper per tire and have a slightly higher wear rating. Efficiency seems about the same as the MXM4's.
Buy a set of steel wheels and chuck winter tires on them. You can swap them out yourself pretty quickly, and you keep the salt and crud off of your nicer alloy wheels. Sure the steel wheels aren't pretty but your nice wheels will stay nice.
Depending on your vehicle, you may be able to find a user's forum where people sell there used rims for cheap, or do a "group buy" on lots of sets which gets you a discount. That's what I did with my WRX - bought a set of spare stock rims for $200 off some dude and put the summer tires on that, and Nokian winter tires on the other set. That car had a viscous center differential making it critical that you rotate the tires, which for my mileage worked out to be about 6 months. I'd just mark the rims with duct tape and sharpie to know where to put them next season.
This does require storage for an extra set of wheels and tires, though.
@@cparks872 Yup, then the only problem is if you can easily change the TPMS codes your car is looking for or not. **glares at Toyota**
A high wear rated summer tire is worse than some ll seasons lol. At that point you are much better off with a performance all season like the continental dws06. Seriously, epic all seasons in snow and still pretty damn good in the summer too. Oh and theyre cheap ;)
If you are paying a shop to swap tires on your rims, that's 4 tirrs twice per year, or eight swaps. With two sets of tires you'll probably get four or five years, maybe more, so you are looking at 40 tire mounting charges in all. Buying a second of rims is usually cheaper, unless you drive something exotic. And junkyards sell "guaranteed as new" OEM wheels often for $75 each.
Would you rather get Michelin that came with M3 or this? Thanks!
Problem is that I want more range in winter when range is depleted by lower temperatures. In summer the 20%-30% more range makes the additional range on a tire is negligible.
great video. I'd love to see you compare the different noise levels of a bunch of tyres. i'd be interested to find out which are the quietest ones.
Heysohn! Good to see you my good sir. Glad to see your tires still have plenty of tread.
Excellent video and explanation. As always well done job 👌👍
Very informative. I am down to consider these when I need a new set of not-winters. It's pushing it in my climate, as we often see snow in may-september so usually the 'all season' is best for summer.
I would love for you to do a video on when will we reach the limits of performance of an SUV vs a coupe or sedan. Does ground clearance impose a limit, all things being equal (gas SUV vs gas coupe or EV SUV vs EV coupe). Those larger tires and higher ground clearance must have a performance limitation in acceleration or turning/handling.
An Excellent, in depth but easy to understand explanation ! Top notch 👍😎
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I just looked up this tire (Hankook iON evo) unfortuently it doesn't have triple A rating for 235/45/R18 it has BAA 69 dB grading for my Tesla Model 3, while B is for dry. This is disapointing!
Tesla now fits Michelin E-Primacy on new Higland which has grading ABB 70 dB. But that tire is very bad at wet conditions.
Is it better than Michelin Pilot Sport 4s? I got a M3P might try Hankook next summer.
Hankook is a very impressive tire manufacturer. The Ventus S2 evo2 has a decibel rating of 69. I can confirm that these tires are night and day quiet, as compared to Pirelli Cinturato P7 tires on a BMW 428ix sedan.
I want grip as cc2 not decibel …hankook not
@matsoupanos2411 Being a quiet tire doesn't equate to poor grip.
@@dewaynehowse231 after 27000 km is dangerous when it’s wet
11:14 I would be interested to know what a similar rolling resistance change, would make on the range of a tank of gas on an ICE?
Can you do a comparison between these ION EVO tires on your 18 inch Martian wheels vs the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires on your 18 inch T Sportline wheels? How does the tire performance compare? Are the EVO's 0-60 times as good? Handling as good? Any info or experience you can share about that?
I’ve been wanting these tires for my Taycan, but they dont yet have the right sizes for it. Hopefully they will by the time my next set are needed. Thanks for the great and informative video!
Hi Jason. I had an interesting discussion with some friends around the question "Why is quick acceleration less energy efficient than slow acceleration?"...on both electric and ICE vehicles. For example, if you are supposed to travel 1 mile, why is it more efficient to accelerate to 60mph in 10 seconds and than cruise for the rest of the mile versus accelerating to 60mph in 5 seconds and than cruise for the rest of the mile? You are basically moving the same mass over the same distance.
I had this question in my mind for some time now and I could not find a pleasing answer researching on the Internet. Of course, the simple answer is: "more energy/fuel is transformed into heat, as more pressure is applied to the mechanical parts", but why? and how? and to what point it differs from ICE to electric vehicles?
I would love to see a video where you try to explain the principles of physics that could answer this questions.
I'm a big fan of this channel BTW. Thank you for the content you are creating here.
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Every spring I change the studded winter tyres to summer tyres (both Hankook), the summer tyres are way louder because the compound is so hard on the summer tyres, and the winter tyre is so soft. You can't really hear the studs also.
Great Explanation. I may now open my own tire manufacturing plant..
Excellent presentation 👏 👌
You may be perfectly okay with it, but I can't help but feel pain when I see you slalom with a Model S yoke. I wince with every over-the-shoulder shot ;).
I'm with you, it was awful for autocross! Multiple times I was fumbling with it because there was no wheel where I needed wheel.
I absolutely love summer tyres. For the lower noise and increased braking performance.
I always enjoy viewing your videos about tires, and this is one of my favorites! Keep up the great work! 🍩🍩
Sorry for slightly offtopic question. I have an SUV (I know, sorry, but you need 1mph in Austin to exit any parking lot in Austin without hitting the ground while in sedan..). Why dealers only offer all-season tires options for SUVs? If you use the car only in the city where snow falls ONCE every three year for one day and everything stops for this reason anyways, the summer tires would make more sense for reasons mentioned in this video. It feels wrong to go to the dealer and do all the explanations as to why you dare to go for other than default tire selection
I can't really use summers where I live since the nightly lows in my climate never rise above 36°F (~2°C). However, it is nice to have all-seasons in surprise autumn snowstorms, so even if I could, I wouldn't run summers.
If I ever move to Florida, California, or Arizona, that will change.
What do you actually think about the tires? Did you notice any increase in range? I’m having trouble finding actual reviews. Also… a question for the Hankook reps, when will these things be available on tire rack. I drive a taycan and would be interested in trying these out.
On our 2006 Prius, the difference between an "eco" tire and just any old tire was 10% on gas mileage. At the time, I didn't know there were better tires for gas mileage, and was pretty shocked at the difference.
You won't get any criticism here from Jason. These videos are little more than advertisements. I don't much like seeing really good TH-camrs compromise their independence like this.
Also very interested, disappointed to only see the AS tires in the market for now. My P zero PZ4 elect set is on its last legs.
Is there any reason an “ev” tire could not be used on a regular gas car? If not, why?
The easiest way I could think to explain it is because an "EV Tyre" is designed to hold a much heavier vehicle (due to the fact EV's have hundereds of pounds worth of batteries) compared to a an ICE car which would be a lot lighter.
If you put EV tyres on a normal ICE car then your grip and thus performance and safety would be compromised, sort of a similar idea to overinflating your tyres.
@@the_zanny unless you have a fairly heavy ICE car. There are some chunkers out there.
Unfortunately Hancook doesnt make 17 inch tires that fit on the Chevy Bolt EV. Im still looking around for good tires for the Bolt
I just wonder if different profiles are available, I'd assume a round profile similar to a ATV tire would be better for cars with swing axle suspension but contact patch is definitely sacrificed there.
Very clear and informative. Well done, and thank you!
What about the issue of ride comfort I find my Telsa Model Y with the perilli scopions have a harsher ride even though they have great grip, tire noise, handling etc.
Thanks! I learned a lot and will be ordering a set of Hankook e-ion tyres for my Leaf here in the Caribbean 👍🏻
Gorgeous B roll scenery. I get to look at that mountain everyday.
Engineering, physics, and chemistry class all at once. Great video!
My question now is how does it affect ICE vehicles? So something compareable to a model 3 performance is a bmw m3. Would the BMW m3 get better mileage and other benefits?
Everyone who lives in an area that has - 0 Cecius or below for more than a month in a year, should have a set of summer tires and a set of winter tires instead of a compromised all season tire.
I just bought a Model 3 and this is news I can use. Thank you for this video! Hankook is likely going to get a sale as a result. ;)
where can one look at the list you got your information from? i want to look up my tires to see what rating mine get lol
Here's the link! eprel.ec.europa.eu/screen/product/tyres
@@EngineeringExplained thank you!!!
What is the reason for one tyre (rear right) need more weight (2-3times) than remaining 3 tyre when balancing the wheels ? Every time (~5k km) i go for wheel balancing and rotation ,rear right tyre need more weight and rear left tyre hardly need ay weight.
Hi, for this tire, do you know what is the lowest working temperature? For the Michelin 4s is like in the 40's. Thanks for the info.
Can you explain please about CFM of front bumper with and without mesh (grill)? Does mesh affect on effectiveness of air heat exchange?
Can you do a video explaining/exploring Nano-electro fluid (NEF) "batteries" that Influit Energy is testing?
Love the video, my only counter arguement to that would be the price. Is 30 ‘potential’ miles range a greater saving that I’m assuming this premium price per tyre would be? I would assume not. However, great video, very educational! 👌🏼
When I was a tire technician I learned way more about tires than I really needed. My boss would send me to tire seminars...
Yeah tire companies have seminars to brag about their tire compound...
We use coconut shells...we use silica to grip ice...we have triple Kevlar belts with steel belts...
And of course when installing tires all day everyday you could see which ones were better quality. Some tires would just never balance properly others wouldn't be round out you needed to double the "safe" psi when installing to seat the tires properly.
One thing is for certain no seminar ever told me if their tired was bad... always that they were the best
So which ones did you see that were particularly good or bad? Name names/models
@@extragoode all tire manufacturers have good and bad tires. That's the reality. And I haven't installed a tire in over 20 years now. I had a friend die from a tire explosion and I had 4 when I installed tires... all were different manufacturers with different defects.
For the most part budgets tires are just that and expensive tires have a reason to be expensive. The sales staff at a designated tire store will usually avoid showing you the bad tires completely unless it's the only option or you egg them for the lowest possible price
How do
The Continental Pure contact LS tires compare to
The Hankook ION EVO tires is the video?
Can you make a video on ducted fuel injection (DFI) for diesel engines.
Tell you what, my Tesla has had nothing but horrible luck with the Pirellis (punctures, flats, worn out after 3000 miles) it came with, and then even much worse luck with the Continental DWS 06. Even though the DWS 06 is a 104W tire, I believe it can not handle the weight of the Tesla or the way it puts down power. Way too much sidewall flex. I am eagerly waiting for the Hankook iON evo AS SUV to be available in my size.
Thank you for your explanation! 😃👍
But how do I find a tire that filters out the "slap" and "pop" on transverse joints? That annoys me the most! 🤷♂️
Better engineered suspension, higher quality components, and more sound deadening. Tires are just one variable in the suspension equation.
@@csdstudio78 Yes, but the only one I can change.
To do that with just a tire change you would want a smaller wheel for more sidewall
But does this mean I should get these over PSC2's for a plaid model S? Are they really going to grip on a launch like the Michelin's?
Is the weight capacity of the tire all three sets them apart from a not EV summer tire? Wouldn't better rolling resistance benefit ICE vehicles too? Maybe not in range as much, but in cost per mile or tank.
Should I be running summer tires in Phoenix AZ where it almost never gets below 35 F?
That all sounds good but unfortunately they don’t make them in 235/40 ZR20 (96Y) otherwise I’d purchase a set for my Cupra Born with sports pack tomorrow. I cannot get a single tyre in Australia in this spec from any manufacturer to replace my Michelin Pilot Sport EV tyres which are not available and on back order for the next six months.
$365 per tire.
That's a lot of miles at just 6% more efficient to make it worth the price.
But I value efficiency over racing performance.
Right now I have some Michelin CrossClimate 2's because I live in CO where it can be all seasons within a week.
Stiff SIDEWALL compound but the tread area is a soft compound. That's why soft summer tires wear faster than all seasons.
The Subaru dealer didn't want to install some nice snows i bought for my wrx because the speed rating wasn't high enough. I told them i never drive over 108mph on the ice so don't worry.
Wouldn't technology to create tire with low rolling resistance that retains their grip also be relevant to cars with gas engine? What kind of improvements do they brings in term of range for electric vehicle and MPG for gas vehicles?
I was thinking the same thing
Q: Wouldn't technology to create tire with low rolling resistance that retains their grip also be relevant to cars with gas engine? A: yes, it's already been in existence in the Tire Industry for the last 2 to 3 DECADES, so the real issue is you just DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT. no worries, for what i'm sure you DO know about is ever stricter Emission and Fuel Economy Regulations right...? okay well there ya go. btw the trend towards GINORMOUS SUV'S (4000lb to 5000lb) means the weight issue of EV's has already long been dealt with PRIOR to the year 2012 and the release of the Model S. none of this is "all new" or "unforseen".
Installing these tomorrow
I'm already on my 3rd set of 60,000mi original equipment Michelin tires for my BoltEV after 72,000 miles. Grrrr. I guess it is just too fun to drive around corners. Will try these Hankook tires next time?
re: "I guess it is just too fun to drive around corners." whoa whoa take it easy LEAD FOOT...!!! 3 sets...? tire rotations are your friend. tell the truth, you just like spending money don't ya...? 😄
The foam insert liner in the tire beside you... is that part of the tire or just for shipping protection?
Thats the noise cancelation foam. Most ev tires have it.
Would you get EV tires for a Hybrid-Plugin as well? A RAV4 Prime for example.
The Prius Prime comes with ECO tires from the factory. We got 5 to 10 percent lower fuel milage with winter tires. But slowing down on the highway by 10 kph (when safe) has more effect.
Can someone explain why rolling resistance/efficiency/range isn't considered important for ICE vehicles as well? I don't really get why the extra cost of low resistance tires are worth it for BEV but not ICE.
Jason please look into the much coveted Michelin Pilot Sport 4S Tire labeled "Extra Load" and let us know what you find. apparently it's a fitment for the latest generation Model S Plaid with the Carbon Brakes and Track Pack. Misha just made reference to it in a recent Nurburgring test video he uploaded a few weeks back. much like previous collabs done with BMW (M3), Porsche (911/Taycan) and other brands, it seems to be an OEM spec designed specifically for the Triple Motor Tesla.
Question- if this is suppose to improve milage of an EV can you out them on a ICE car and will it benefit from it? I mean it's a AAA tire and better than 99.999% of the tires out there, why wouldn't you want to use it on your daily?
On my Model 3 Performance, I’ve been running Michelin PS4S but with the Porsche ‘NO’ spec since Tesla’s ‘TO’ spec has been much harder to find since they went with the worse performing Pirelli’s on newer models. I switch over to Michelin Pilot Alpin PA4 for winters when the temps drop. It’s gonna be hard to convince me to switch from that combo… combined with Unplugged Performance upgraded sways, the M3P handles like nothing else I’ve driven with Michelin tread. There’s a reason why Tesla first put Michelins on our cars early on.
Another awesome vid Jason 👏 We are told that tire rotation is very important. But is it? Are we better off rotating tires and replacing them 4 at a time ... or just run them as is, and replace the driven 2 when worn out? Have you ever done the numbers on this Jason?
I recently had to change the tires on my Taycan, but sadly the Hankook weren't available. :(
Bro I came to your channel as soon as I watched the 2300hp gemera reveal. I'm waiting
Are these tires out yet? I only see the AS version at America’s Tire and Tirerack.
Hmm, they also don’t even list the right size for model 3 with 19” wheels. Weird.
I swear that you said you preferred all-weather tyres (because you don't need to change them) when you were testing the Cross Climate +
He prefaced the summer tire recommendation as, if you live in a climate where summer tires are almost always applicable.
Climate is important. If I can get away with it, I'd run summers year round. I can't. So for my performance cars (like M3P), I swap tires in late Spring/late Fall. For the Crosstrek, which sees a lot of snow use, I use all-weather because it means I'm not swapping every six months.
No price comparisons? Is it actually WORTH investing in these tytes? How much distance do you have to drive to recuperate the additional cost of the cool R&D bestowed upon the customer as premium price?
So I'm new to tires. How would you order tires and get them installed? Does a tire place talk you through your options?
I think that depends on the tire place. I live in the Midwest US and have used Discount Tire. I walked in, gave them my car info and what I was looking for, they gave me a couple options and I chose one. I was looking for winter tires on a 2007 Honda Civic, and came out with a set and rims for $750, included was a warranty which I used several times. I’m sure those prices have gone up, as that was 10 years ago 🙃.
I personally bought another set of rims for my car so swapping the tires is easy. Discount Tire does it for free for the life of the tire. You just bring the 2nd set in your trunk and they’ll handle the rest. Can’t speak for other shops, but DT has treated me well so far.
@@jacobvriesema6633 Thank you.
I have Sailun tyres...very good and not expensive 😎
Brilliant video! That was so interesting and informative. Thank you :)
It's so weird that apparently people in the US don't use summer/winter tyres by default.
That's true people don't buy summer tires in the US because of economic reasons. We are very superficial about tires and look at warranty mileage as our main grading criteria. Price per mileage, it's a marketing plan created by tire stores.
Many in the US don’t need winter tires apart from those more in the north. I’ve personally used summer/winter tire combo as well as all-season and did not notice anything different. MPG on my civic was the same. The all seasons did fine in the winter for the driving I needed - never slipped. Buying an extra set of rims was expensive.
Great video. Regarding the centripetal acceleration of the tire, since the velocity of the tire at the contact patch is zero, the basic v^2/r formula doesn't quite hold, does it? It seems like there would be some third order stuff going on there.
v^2/r can be used when v is measured relative to the center of the rotation, which moves together with the car's body, and as you alluded to, the outside of the tyre moves relative to the car body (thus also the center of rotation) at the same speed as the car is driving.
Is there a summer tire with high tread depth? I want a summer tire but, i dont like how they dont last as long