Man asked to stop talking during Mormon testimony meeting
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- Recorded on Sept. 2, 2018, in an undisclosed Mormon (aka Ziontology) ward in the United States.
When asked why he did this, the member who spoke said, “Because I care about protecting children, because this has affected members of my own family, because the church needs to stop, because members are scared into silence, etc.”
ProtectLDSchildren.org
Those empty seats tho!
.... Maybe because on open mic day, people get told to STFU when they've said nothing offensive
Fuck yeah nnn saw is on Reddit and hoped it would make it to youtube. The world needs to see how crazy the mormons are about keeping their little sex interviews going without letting anyone or common sense get in the way
I'm having old gross memories of interviews many years back, and the bishop asking .. "When was the last time you masturbated?" I was 13 years old. He didn't even ask if I was masturbating. I agree with this movement. That sh*t was traumatizing and shaming. If there is a God, repentance should be between him and the person.
What was he saying that was so scandalous that it needed to be cut off? Maybe some of the people in the group wanted to hear what the man had to say . . .
Rob Paulson it was against how they do things, so it's "bad"
d3vildoll666 - They are afraid that he's going to pop their mind bubble and let in a tiny sliver of reality
Rob Paulson I know, I was mormon my whole life up until 23, and my grandparents still are. I always have to be careful what I say, because they still don't know. They are temple workers, and patriarch, so it's impossible to express any opinion that might raise question about the church.
@d3vildoll666 I guess it is lost on all of u what fast and testimony meeting is about. It isn't Festivus where there is thw airing of grievances. Even though the brother was tactful in his speech, this was NOT the place to do this. Testimony is to be speaking of Christ in ones life
@@d3vildoll666 Your family can run, but they can't hide from the truth
They all act the same. Go watch videos of people who dare to stand up in a Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses and talk about their child abuse scandal. The elders do the same whispered "please leave" routine.
Maybe just me but these people need to FIGHT back. I would no more go along with their "please dismiss yourself." I would have said "fuck you I'm going to say what I came to say" and I would have screamed it all the way out the door. as they hauled me out. Whoever was filming should have called the police. Shaking my head. When you let them haul you off willingly and say "ok" you are letting them win. Sick. Angry.
He should have kept going..with his speech. He will never get the chance again! prolly go to Disciplinary Hearing and then Excommunication follows...Sad..Evil..CULT! at least the Lady that was Raped in the MTC kept going, and put up a lot of Resistance! She had a lot of Courage to do that!! The Men had absolutely NO Right to lay their hands on her!
That audience sounds like a classroom 2 minutes before the final bell while the teacher is still teaching.
Maan Man yep, It was a little bit rediculious.
I have three sisters and three sisters-in-law. All were raised in active Latter-Day Saint homes and communities. All but one was sexually abused as a teenager by an older, active, temple attending member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Of these five women, four brought their complaints to their respective bishop. According to a DVD titled "Protect The Children," which was distributed by the Church in the 20 aughts, then-President Gordon Hinckley cited church policy when he stated, ""(Those who abuse children) should not be given Church callings and may not have a temple recommend. Even if a person who abused a child sexually or physically receives Church discipline and is later restored to full fellowship or readmitted by baptism, leaders should not call the person to any position working with children or youth."
So I find it interesting that none of these offenders received church discipline or ever had their records annotated. I personally sat in a conference where multiple victims of the same offender brought their complaints to both the offender's bishop and stake president. They had witnesses to corroborate their accounts. Absolutely nothing was done to discourage the offender's actions. He was permitted to continue serving in callings with children of all ages. I was so upset about this that I reached out to my own stake president at the time. He called Salt Lake City to discuss the matter and later reported to me that they had no record of the events and that no annotation was ever placed on the offender's membership records. This was confirmed by one of the offender's later bishops.
Another one of these victims (this one of a different offender) brought her complaint directly to her bishop with a witness to the events less than a week after the offense took place. The offender was a sealer in the temple, a former bishop, and a respected member of the community. The bishop assured her and the witness that he would address this with the offender and follow up accordingly. This never happened. Not only did the bishop do nothing, but he also refused future meetings from both the victim and witness alike. The offender went to his grave with his reputation untarnished and his standing in the Church fully intact.
Some might question why the victims did not go to the police. But In a community where the highest trusted authority is the LDS Church, one can become easily discouraged to pursue other avenues. If a literal "judge in Isreal" is dismissive of such a complaint, I can see why many victims might question themselves. After being painfully disregarded by an "authority" you trusted, how is one to go to a "lesser authority" with a higher degree of confidence that something will get done. But that's exactly what a person should do!
NEVER bring your complaints of physical or sexual abuse to the leadership of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints... NEVER! They are not equipped for it. Their policies may say otherwise, but I assure you that these policies are not followed. Call 911 and get some real help.
This is disgusting, though not at all surprising, based on my experience in the church. Mormons protect a culture of allowing the bishopric to discuss sexuality with individual members of the ward in private. They consider it normal. It opens the door to the entire array of indiscretion from shame to harassment to full-on rape. It's a slippery slope, and there's no telling how many elders and bishops take advantage of their unfettered access to the intimate sexual details of their ward members. If Mormons want this spotlight off of them, they need to get with the program and recognize they are ALL complicit in this. One-on-one meetings about sex and masturbation are not okay.
That goes for all churches, all schools, all sports activities, etc.
It's sad that this man was asked to leave and not continue what he was saying. Why? Are they frightened that others would also speak out. It's important to protect our children and teens - no matter what.
Hi. The reason he was asked to stop is that Testimony meeting is a sacred to for members to express their testimony of Jesus Christ.
Those points he was making, while well founded, need to be discussed in a forum with Bishops and stake presidents. There are now many classes on these exact subject that outline all the guidelines of and for teachers and others in authority to stop these tragic interactions.
So…he wasn’t wrong, just wrong time to talk about those things. Testimony meeting is also not a time to teach, lecture, give a talk etc…it is for brief, heartfelt testimonies of our Savior.
I hope this helps
Hmm idk. Yes the guy could have been allowed to finish talking. Yes perhaps it can be traumatic to some to talk about sinning or doing taboo behavior. Here’s the dilemma. There’s a difference between having sec or doing oral sec or like dry humping etc. I would assume if you fornicate that that’s technically worse then dry humping etc. I suppose they could just ask did you fornicate or did you fondle each other and not go into any further detail.
No Sharon, It didnt help at all. In fact you and others with the same opinion, make it worse. What would a teen, who had been molested and hadn't told anyone, think would happen if they told someone? This is damaging for life. First abise, then being afraid to speak, then finding out in a triple way that the Church is NOT a safe place for them@SharonHansen-om4pk
Thanks for sharing this. This kind of message should be shared in every testimony meeting each month until the leaders in SLC adopt a 2-deep interview policy and give up asking sexually explicit questions to church members.
You can't allow truth like that to be told from the pulpit sadly
Your right! Although lies are welcome any day as long as you are supporting the profits… ye profits
I left the LD$ cult a few years ago after lifetime membership and all the rituals. Since, I have attended a lot of different religions services. I find LD$ meeting so fake, so noisy, and the people so disinterested. Seeing the horrid control demonstrated right here? Wow. Sick!
Then go to a holy roller church that is even louder and give your churche$ your money $$$ that they will use on more guitar equipment $o you can be more entertained. The church uses our ca$h to build churches and temples while other churches by cadillacs and nice suits and TV's some of them even buy airplanes with your money so do what you want to do and leave my church out of it. You sound like a weak minded snowflake no one is making you attend the lds church.
Thank god I left soon after baptism and left before receiving the life time membership. That must have been one hell of a ride to leave for you.
@@iconacy Do you REALLY believe that an angel of God requires passwords & secret handshakes to enter the heavenly realm?
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Brother may you find Peace and the truth. Peace from England UK
That man was trying to warn other Mormons. He spoke the truth!
Well they you have it leaders being guilty and the lds church will definitely lose members by God the policy needs to change and the leaders and apostles need to wake up!!
He was only able to get as far as he did with that talk because I guarantee you the other half of the congregation that wasn't trying to placate their noisy kids were on the brink of falling asleep. I've seen more active and engaged crowds of people while waiting in line at the DMV, it's always striking to remember just how forced and disingenuous these meetings always felt. Excellent video.
We dont have paid clergy who give polished talks. Individuals are called and not everyone is a great public speaker. The Spirit can still work thru such weaknesses and have someone's heart be touch with what they need that moment
@@myfencingcenter6265 I have attended many LDS services as a non-member. It shouldn't matter how articulate or interesting the speaker is-- their stories should be listened to as you would listen to a friend. It is shocking and heartbreaking when the congregation is bored and distracted while the speaker is crying and bearing their soul.
@@jacquelinecaswell5070 I agree. However I stand on my remark. Members r not paid clergy and some r not good public speakers but at least r humble enough to complete an assignment and let the holy ghost use their words to touch someone es heart who is listening.
I will add that this was I'm sure shut down because it was not the topic given to him to speak on. To go off topic on such an issue should have been discussed with the Bishoo first. If Bishop who has the power from God on discernment would have been yeah or any. If any, the man should have humbly accepted that as to b christ like and let it be in Gods hand. Remember before this riles u..I agree with what he is saying
I guess this may have been fast and testimony Sunday? Nevertheless, telling someone to dismiss themselves in the process of speaking is hurtful and rude. Something always didn't feel right to me about the LDS Church. Seven years down the line and tears later, I quit. Member callings could be arrogant, dismissive and even teaching wrong biblical facts entirely; "Adam fell that man might be"..surely misses the whole purpose and reason for the Messiah? Always, the problem is given to be from doubting members who are bold and brave enough to challenge Mormon doctrine, risking excommunication. These religious cults screw you up because unless you agree with everything they tell you, there's always someone waiting in the wings to make you feel you're an apostate.
@@mvaug69 why do u consider it rude? If the spirit moved the brother to dismiss him then he gets dismissed. If it was the Bishopric protecting the ward from something that needed to be addressed in another forum then that's why he got dismissed. The pulpit isnt an "airing" of grievances "
As to doctrine if u had questions and felt u were not getting them answered from your own scripture reading or your own revelation. Or from members of the church u may have asked, I personally would ha e gone to another ward to have sought my answers
However if u were looking for answers with a mindset to just prove it wrong, then it was better that u left for that is not the purpose of revelation. The church filled with IMPERFECT people,run by imperfect people. Our prophet is not infallible . If bvn u thought otherwise ,u were mistaken. The church is for the spiritually sick to find comfort within.
Most importantly, I wish for u to find peace and ha e happiness in your life. U dont need to live in the past and bash the church. Find one u like embrace it and we will all b one in Christ trying to endure to the end till we can once again stand before Jesus at the judgement bar
Thank you to that man for being an example of courage to all of us - God bless him!
they need more than 1 person doing it in the same meeting they need several till people get shocked by it
He should have kept talking and ignored them
They would have shut his mic off and forcibly removed him.
@@truthseeker4431 isn't that assault
Brave man! Needs to be done in every congregation and needs to make all the news outlets!
Or I don’t know.. do the logical thing and leave the church
@@soap5420 that’s a given. however, exposing this type of wickedness in all congregations will make people aware.
Every parent should send a small electronic recording device on their
child, that the child doesn't know about.
What would have happened if the member had refused to "dismiss himself?" Would they have drug him away from the pulpit? Would be interesting to see. :( :(
they probably would have cut off the mike then threatened him with cops
kkheflin3, what kind of drug would be used?
The laying on of hands. Lol
@@wh1skeyrebellion, well, it's not meant to be sexual, of course. The Catholics get criticism for having "the rectory."
Proud of that man for speaking what’s happening in the Lds church sadly leaders want to keep it quiet the more people speak out and against it more people will leave and expose this cult great job!
Selina OGorman if they can't learn from the main bloke who was a sexual pervert, marrying young women and bedding other women, will they learn.
James Matlock good point some lds members will probably never learn some will some won't the church is confusing as it is.
Thank you for protecting children from being asked sexual questions behind a closed door with a man. That is child abuse and is no where in scripture. The parents often don’t think anything of it because of there indoctrination. It will people shining a light on this evil to make it stop.
If one of them perverts ask my child those questions id punch them dead in the throat and not think twice about it...
I love these videos.. but there is no way in hell that guy was in two bishoprics, hes not bald!
This guy was speaking the truth. But yet he had to be dismissed? That is no good.
Wrong place, wrong time.
I admire his courage but it’s not the right place to talk about it.
What the fuck
This is why I left
Wow, he didn't even say anything "anti" mormon and they still made him stop.
It's because they are afraid of the truth.
Because it wasn’t a testimony he was delivering, ‘Ryan’. This is not an opportunity to read personal diatribes and manifestos. It was a staged opportunistic hijack at best. If a person has a real beef about church policy, you go to the source or maybe even the media, but hijacking a sacred meeting is one of lowest and most disrespectful acts a person can do
Really? -- "one of the lowest"? Ever been to a combat zone in Iraq? Ever heard of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States? If asking 14-year-old girls about masturbation is a matter of "chuch policy", then you sir are an immoral, repugnant "man" if you are associated with the mormon church. You get to sleep with that knowledge.
(WTH does a combat zone in Iraq have to do with anything?). Also, please don't start with the tired 'first amendement' attempt at a shield. This is a private place of worship, Mark. That does not afford you the free opportunity to say and do what you want. Protests can be made to leadership and in the media, not in this cowardly way of taking over a sacred meeting. THis was the worst attempt a rebuttal I've seen in awhile.
You're right. I'm not very good at "rebuttals". All I have to do is stay quiet and let the mormon church destroy itself. It's just a matter of time.
That Bishop should be put out! As a Mormon, everything the man was saying in his testimony was true! What the heck, bishop? Do you need to retake seminary? Have you forgotten everything you were taught?
Man, I was in there for less than a year and he also made very uncomfortable cuestions about my relationship. This cult leaders are nuts buddy, I would advise you to get out. But feel free to judge everything by yourself.
Honestly man, it's like that everywhere in Utah. I'd advise you take the time to really dig into your churches history before you continue giving them tithes and your valuable time.
If you want to believe in Jesus, that's totally fine, but trust me, the stuff that Brigham Young and Joseph Smith did was awful even at that time period.
Look at why your people were persecuted. They got kicked out of Missouri because they flooded a ton of land and forced people to sell their land to them.
Believe in your gospel, but not in the church. I'm not religious myself, but you're entitled to your beliefs. But just don't let the church keep taking advantage of you.
You should *never* hesitate to question anything. If they speak the truth, they won't hesitate to give you a real answer.
If you don't want the truth told, you're doing something wrong.
Refusing to address this issue, simply stating that the bishop and the child being alone together is fine, because he is a "devout man" is practically the same as the Catholic church taking efforts to cover up their growing problem of clerical pedophilia.
There is a problem, but addressing it makes the people in power appear flawed, human, fallible, and they'd rather shame and emotionally abuse children then adapt.
The very fact that this man was dismissed from speaking is evidence of cult control.
Jeffrey E: It’s actually evidence of private property rights. He’s more than welcome to spew his hatred at Chuck E. Cheese’s.
The average member doesnt want abuse
@@TaiPHoo .....protecting the church at all costs? Are you saying he is lying about sexual abuse?In your mind relating an account of sexual abuse is apparently spewing hatred,if thats the case you are part of the problem!
Jeffrey E: Nobody abused Mr. Ponytail. That wasn’t his ward. He simply cherrypicked a meetinghouse to use as his film studio. It’s not as if he approached the rostrum to offer up a heartfelt testimony or devotion. This was staged and rehearsed. Mr. Ponytail then uploads his staged monologue for the world to see.
Essentially, he grieves with unclean hands.
@@TaiPHoo ....with respect,exposing any kind of abuse publicly is not a crime.As far as he organising the filming of it,he obviously knew he was going to get shut down,true freedom in Christ would have seen the man finish what he had to say,the congregation could then decide for itself if what was said deserved merit and possible further investigation or not.
As far as unclean hands,the church itself has filthy hands,its mired in secret rituals that have absolutely nothing to do with clean and pure wordhip of God!
Hand through the veil????
Churches/cults around the world are being exposed for their satanic behaviour, secret ungodly practices are being brought out into the light for all the world to see,our Lord Jesus continues to do His great work,freeing His sheep from the grip of the "hired hand,the evil slave,unloving Shepherds"who would devour the flock at any opportunity.
Organised religion is losing its grip on power with every passing day,the things done in darkness are being overturned by the Glorious light of Christ and nothing can stop it!!
If you do not want to be caught in sin..you should not be doing it. A person has a right to speak their truth.
Not in a way that disrupts the spirit of a small meeting full of tender innocent hearts. They don't care about this congregation. They knew this would be bad taste for everyone in that audience. There are better ways for making such statements.
Planned out, infused with explicit comments and executed, A you tube video for a much larger audience was all they were going after.
That Warrior that gave the speech has saved billions of Lives. If you save one life it is as if you have SAVED THE WHOLE HUMAN RACE so Well Done. I have put up my testimony on my channel if you are interested Peace From England UK.
I have experienced this myself and so has my wife. These questions go beyond the normal interview. I wish I had been brave enough at the time to tell my bishop that he was out of bounds. This strongly contributed to my resigning from the church.
You forgot about the numerous stories in the scriptures where some thought they knew better than God and his program and his servants. They all failed. Well, the church is still doing fine without you.
@@theephraimite Ok you can be a true believer. I hope your bishop asks you about masturbation for your next temple interview. I have many bad stories about the church, and believe me, I get along just fine without the it.
Cal down, ark-steadier, calm down.
I'm LDS and agree 100% that young girls should not be asked about their sex life. That's between them and HF. It's totally perverted for a man to ask a teen girl about her sex life.
Have you ever thought to your self why heavenly father? Or have you just obeyed & believed all the men that told you God is a man. Pray about that and try to ignore your own bias.
@@kimberleypappas2583 bc we have no information on our heavenly mother.
@@MormonMustang_ Joseph Smith is a false prophet, MORMONISM is of satan, the devil isn't the brother of Jesus, and you will most DEFINITELY NOT become a "god" one day as MORMONISM teaches. REPENT of this garbage religion and trust in the REAL BIBLICAL JESUS and become BORN AGAIN (JOHN 3:3) the LDS church feeds you lies.
My daughter was called into the Bishop's office on a Wednesday night. She was asked if she had been molested by her mother or me. She answered negatively. She was then warned not to tell her parents, teachers or even Heavenly Father. We've been inactive for almost three years now and the church leadership seems to be happy with that arrangement. I dare not imagine what would have happened if my daughter had responded positively. The process of Bishop interviews had been weaponized against our family. I don't know to this day how we offended the church leadership. However, they are a gutless bunch of backbiting cowards.
It's a blackmail scam. This evil thread permeates our biggest religious institutions. They've been selling forgiveness for thousands of years.
why were you protecting the elders? they should be exposed for who they are which are cult members
The problem with people these days is that they just listen what other people say before they consider listening to Jesus first
WOW. Good for you man. I am so happy that you were brave enough to do that and also hopefully it will help other people as well. That is such a big deal to be able to break out of that hell. So much courage it must have taken to stand up there and say what you needed to say and so gracefully as well.
Omg he wasn’t condemning anything. He was giving his testimony. And he was forced to leave the stage? Hmmmmmmmm what did he say they didn’t like???
Shane Walton wasn’t a testimony. Was an accusation.
@@rwatson5219 how is giving facts of an experience an accusation? Your statement here is an accusation and not even correct.
@Monica Merino wait.. and your point? Who cares if he said his name ? He should have. Bishop was a sick fucker. He shouldn't be protected.
DOES EVERY PERSON HAVE TO TALK LIKE ROBOTS AND SAY THE SAME THING?
DO THESE MEETINGS HAVE TO BE SO BORING?
It's a cult
@@ASMRyouVEGANyettrue dat
It is not a cult.
It’s only boring to those who are not spiritually ready to be enlightened!
Mentions bishops crossing lines and asking children sexually charged questions they have no business asking in the first place. Immediately gets told to shut up by the Bishop. Cool cool! Seems fine to me
Fighting it is pointless.
@@valuecalc why?
@@timlewis7218, it's because it changes nothing. The church leaders won't budge for you.
@@valuecalc the body is not the head, and the head is not the body. A house divided against itself will not stand. The head must bow to the body or die, and likewise as well.
@@timlewis7218, administrators often are the first to skip scriptures.
If you can file charges against these criminals they're no different than the Catholic Church.
I am Catholic why I am I the bad guy and you should never judge someone's religion even if you know in your heart their wrong
At the end he was saying the Bishop was questioning my wife inappropriately and alone. And he started saying never let your child be interviewed by the bishop!?!?! And the church leader said please dismiss yourself. Obviously the church is hiding something big. The man was trying to tell people something before he was cut off ask to stop and leave!
Truth. The bishop interviews everyone and alone. At least that's how it was when I went for over 20 years. I grew up mormon. They can ask you anything and as a kid I would have told them anything they wanted to know, and that is the expectation that all mormons are obedient this way. Now, I cannot believe this happens and how dumb I was. They ask about sexual activity and things like that if they want to. Now I would have some strong words for him, (whomever was bishop).
That man has a lot of guts. But I wonder what would happen if a person was asked to sit, but instead just kept talking? Would the Bishopric bodily remove him? Call the police? There are no laws against free speech is church. That man had every right to keep talking.
No, the bishop would just politely ask him to sit down until he agrees to
They have a button to cut off the microphone. He'd have to shout to be heard, which could lead to being arrested. He had no right to keep talking. Unfortunately that right only applies in public speech, not private speech.
They were scared that the truth was going to be told...
Mormonism is right up there with Scientology in most respects.
It makes Hindus look sane
As an orthodox turned scientology turned mormon i can tell you they are nothing alike
@@konnereyre7129 "I like to bear my testimony. I know this church is true. I know Joseph Smith is the true prophet..." Maybe they don't hunt and harass ex-members the way scientology does, but brainwashing is brainwashing. You're not the only one here with personal experience in the matter.
sad that i guy trying to warn people about the safety of their kids is shut down and sent away. that is NOT family oriented that's just wrong, these men should have applauded this guy instead of telling him to go away
It's simply not the place to highjack a worship meeting like that
Not the right time and place, the message, appropriate, very. It was a testimony meeting. Inappropriate place for that message.
I wanted to hear what he had to say!
Truth....You can only tell your testimony if it is the same one you were brainwashed with as a child......~Me an exmormon.
That's right the Bishop does ask inappropriate questions
Cory Burns sound like a bunch of sick perverts...its no one buisness what u do in your own privacy...Questions like that r plain sick...a man or women ask my child that id punch them in the throat.....them people r sickening....
They only ask if you masturbate....big deal. I was a little bothered by it when the bishop asked one time....now they ask if you are keeping the Law of Chastity..which is better.
Many bishops do not just ask if you masturbate. For many girls especially it is so much more invasive than that. We’re you ever asked if you had an orgasm? Or asked to keep going into more detail about your experience “breaking the law of chastity”? Didn’t think so. But many people have experienced this cause so many of these bishops who are apparently called if God are disgusting freaks who get off on that shit.
Usually but sometimes tragically a priest, or bishop may use their power in a bad way, it’s rare but uncommon
It’s none of their fucking business. It’s like your wife talking to all her friends about your sex life. Sick perv.
God already KNOWS fool, so confession to a Bishop, or a priest is UNNECESSARY and a rather SICK practice!
@@savannahsmiles1797: Selassie: Scene. Bless Truth.
I don't understand how or why it would be necessary for a child to meet with a bishop. May be harmless, but still, what is the reason? Children should not have to in my opinion.
Corey Anderson probably to go to the temple to do baptisms - have to an interview with the bishop
bearpapie69 yup you are right. Was a Christian who fell into Mormonism for 14 years. Now I’m a Presbyterian minister.
The creepy part is where the two dudes come up to silence the speaker and the one puts his hand on his shoulders in that mormon way of establishing alpha dominance. I would liked to have seen the speaker keep talking in order to call the bluff of the shoulder squeezer to see if he would escalate the physicality of their show of dominance.
They did the same thing with the lady who exposed her rapist in the church wtf they act like they cant do anything wrong and the world they live in is perfect
I couldn't be any happier that what the Mormon church of lies is covering up is coming to light!
The thing is, yes, they try to cover it up, but they've done a horrible job of covering it up since the beginning. If you research them no matter when the religion started, it was always available in research. 1 The only reason the members fall for it is because one, they fall for the lie they tell them at the door of their house. 2 They deliberately take the Bible out of context, which isn't taking it out of context as straight-up lying. The last thing they finally do is they tell them not to read their Bible and only accept the word of God through their own mouths. However, a good deterrent, and to not falling for their lies, is to research them. Also, read the Bible. What they are is a counterfeit of Christianity. In other words, Satan is behind them, not God. I'm glad that they're getting exposed more, but their lives have always been semi exposed.
Im so glad i left
GOD Bless You Brother.
@TanPale u shouldn't leave over thw people . People r imperfect and there to test u. If thw spirit testified to ur heart that is the restored Church then u should come back
@@myfencingcenter6265 Never rely on your own feelings. Jeremiah 17:9 “The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked, who can know it?”. Read the Bible and test it against the Mormon Scripture.
Glad I stayed
Glad I came back and keep coming back. Im not a fan of people. Im grateful Jesus Christ is a fan though. I am nothing without Him ❤
Wow. They just excommunicated the man that brought light on this very important issue. EXCOMMUNICATED. I'm glad the world can see how this church responded.
How do you know?
How dare you speak truth, at one of our testimony meetings!
in the days of brigham young it was fast and testimony and blood atonement meeting.
in the days of briggy, after the meeting anyone who needed to be blood atoned would be lead out of the ward building to a spot where they would dig their own grave. then the blood atoner would come up behind them and slit their throat from ear to ear and drain all the blood out of their body so they could personally atone for their own sins. then kick the body into the grave and fill it in.
the doctrine of blood atonement was codified in utah law at least for awhile. john d lee, the adopted son of brigham young and blood atoner official of the mormon church was shot to death by firing squad at mountain meadows.
as patsy for the mountain meadows massacre, john d lee stood in vicariously for brigham young who undoubtedly gave the orders for the massacre, but who had too much power to be blood atoned himself for his own offenses.
luckily for john d lee his membership was reinstated a few years back which leaves the door open for him to become a god in the celestial kingdom, though he will have to get a new harem of goddesses because the harem he had on earth deserted him for other more worthy candidates before he died.
that guy in this video wouldn't have been so bold if he had known he was going to be blood atoned after the meeting for his efforts.
Gray Wolf have you visited the Mountain Meadows massacre site and read the names and seen the ages of these children you asshole!!!!! Wtf do you mean who cares!!!! You TBM POS!!! BY was as evil a person that ever lived.
These types of uncomfortable moments are becoming far more common in the LDS church. The cat is out of the bag as far as the lies, misinformation, and willful omissions of the truth that the church has perpetrated on its members since its beginning. The internet will soon emaciate the LDS church. I doubt it will ever die, but it will become but a shadow of its former size and influence. Hot damn! It is satisfying to watch.
Sam Huff, isn’t it though? It gives me a burning in my bosom to BITFDWT (Burn It The Fuck Down With Truth). 😉
Yeah, but I'm sure t hff e authinticaty of the holy spirit over comes these rants and raves, I'll be in utah soon...and I'll supply the evidence of the book of mormon to cast out these anti mormon haters😊
Turd
@@ericparnell4623 but many supply the evidence that the BoM is false and that truth is growing stronger every year. Praise Jesus His message will not be changed or corrupted.
I'm not hearing or seeing any false other than speculation, with every false I hear of ( book of abraham , many wives whatever....) we also know that we dont have all the papyrus from the book of abraham and even if he had multiple wives....so what! it happened in scripture in the bible too ! More truths found with no wrongs but anti mormon come with things that also weigh out the possibility of it being true
I'm seeing a pattern among religious leaders - be it the catholic priests or lds bishops or leaders in other religions. I've heard stories about sikh, hindu and muslim religious leaders as well. The message in all this is that as long as a man or woman eats and drinks, he or she cannot deny that they all have unholy sexual thoughts snd desires and as such should never be trusted to be alone with any children.
In a Fast & Testimony meeting I was asked to wrap it up, because they felt i was going on too long. They were in effect saying, "Hey we've got some ward big timers behind you who want to jump up and say the same stuff they say every month ("I know the Church is true. I know Russell M. Nelson is the true prophet of God on the Earth today. I so appreciate the messages given in General Conference, because we so needed that guidance and counsel" . . . . etc., etc., etc.) Same stuff every month, as if scripted from a a publication entitled "Appropriate and Acceptable Things to Jump Up and Say in Fast & Testimony Meetings." Better stick to the script, or you'll be given the boot. The "brother" in the bishopric put his hand on my shoulder, and you talk about the laying on of hand by one holding the Priesthood . . . in that moment I realized I'd never again be attending any Fast & Testimony meeting . . . ever. This one day and one experience saved me a lot of time and inconvenience in my future.
I don’t think that happens in most wards and that should be called out. If people are bearing their testimony about the Savior or what not you should not be asked to sit down. I am so sorry that happened
@@konnereyre7129 You've never lived until you've heard a bunch of "Mormons" jump up and tell you all the stuff they "know." In fact, Boyd K. Packer, Dallin Oaks, and others have said the best way to build or strengthen a testimony is to BEAR your testimony, and that a testimony is developed more on your feet than on your knees. In other words, if you repeatedly jump up and declare that you "know" something (which you in fact do NOT know), at some point you'll have even yourself believing it. It reminds me of the movie The Music Man, where "Professor" Harold Hill told the people that if they just THINK about music enough, then eventually they'll KNOW music, and be musicians . . . "the 'think' system. Same idea.
@@joetaylor8687 You know i am so sorry that happened to you. Even if you left and don’t come back i wish you well
@@konnereyre7129 It's just once incident in a mosaic of lifelong incidents and experiences that have let me know that it's pretty clear that "the Church" is a whole lot more interested in what I have to PAY than what I have to SAY. I guess we all have our own opinions and ideas, and I certainly have mine . . . and after all, it's MY face I have to meet in the mirror each day. I strongly believe that we're all going to be judged, and naturally reap based on "karma," based on our actual behavior more than what we pontificate, ratify, pronounce, agree to, etc.
@Edward Espitia It just educated me. One more lesson in the fact that "the Church" cares a heck of a lot more about what I have to PAY than what I have to SAY.
The purpose of a fast and testimony meeting is to share your truth. If this is this man's truth, then he shouldn't be silenced. But "oh we have to keep up the aura of perfection that we try to create in our church, so if we don't like what he says or if it makes us look less than perfect, we will silence him." Typical cult.
So sorry this happened to you. I left the church for so many more reasons than this horrible injustice. Bless you and your family.
He was from my mission. Great guy.
He did the right thing, if he goes to any meeting of this cult to address these issues, what do you think will happen?? He will get shut down. I agree with him, never let your children alone in meetings with bishops, specially if chastity is the topic. Be safe, protect your children, even if you believe in this cult.
There is an appropriate place for his proclamation and Fast and Testimony meeting is NOT it. While I do agree with everything he said it should've been presented at an adult fireside, not Sacrament meeting
@@debbieastle6407 You’re kidding!? To that SA praying for victims pervs?? You’re gross
Amen sister!
I am done with that church
+Teddygalbis..I was married to a Mormon man for 30 years and my health broke down completely from stress. They think their priesthood makes then right about everything and they are like little gods. It was difficult. And I know of Joseph Smith..he was revered above Jesus. I am so glad to be out of it. I did not find Christians to be much better. They worship Paul. I Stay Very Close to Jesus. He is the Only Safe Man!
Regarding your comment it's important to understand who is being addressed by Jesus and who is being addressed by Paul. Jesus talked to faaaar less gentiles in the Bible then you probably think. Enter Paul who received revelation from Jesus.
Wow, THIRTY YEARS, still bitter when you could have walked away at any point in time, chooses to be bitter for your own decisions and bitch about it on TH-cam late at night
Fake
frazer9 well someones a bit salty today aren’t you big fella? Anyways how do you know it was her fault. Some women are either afraid or know something bad will happen to them if they leave the church/their husband
Just imagine if the youth turned the question around and asked the bishop about his sex life. 😳
That's just not the time or place for that discussion. Just saying.
Everyone else too scared to speak up. Literally shut up. These things should be known. I once a member of the church and now 21 and at byu taking advantage of cheap tuition was sexually assaulted by the bishop. This shits a joke and there’s plenty of evil all around the world but yet the church exploits everyone else and not themselves. I’m tired of these cowardly acts and im happy light is shinned on things such as this. Not looking to argue either so don’t even respond if that’s what you’re about
Your right! It's only the time to listen to people speak of how they know these men have divine authority from God and how we are commanded to do whatever they say. There is no time or place where the truth can ever be talked about. Victims of abuse at the hands of priesthood holders are never given the opportunity to talk about what has happened to them. They are made to believe they are responsible for it and often punished for it. The perpetrators are fully protected by the brotheren and their legal team. Making it impossible for the victims to ever be heard or seek justice for the crimes against them.
It's not a discussion. He was condemning what transpired there. It's about time someone did.
Someone is trying to stop abuse. It's always the right time and right place to do the right thing and stop abuse. There is never a right time or place to hide abuse.
this guy has bigger balls than Joseph Smith
Geesh. I know Mormons are all about the family but its ok to tell your kids to SHUT UP during a church service.
Let the kids be kids, you child abuser.
@@stephenjackson7797 Why bring them if they gonna be loud fr stop bringing your babies
@@stephenjackson7797 telling kids to be quiet is bow child abuse? Geez Louise bro
Chad Bt agree 100%...
The Children of God are the ones closest to God
He asked her about Chasity. This is one of many questions asked to all youth among others. You guys don’t even understand what was happening.
"Invasive, explicit." He's talking about more than just the baseline question of "do you live the law of chastity."
She was traumatized by a creep digging for details.
This same bishop whispered in her ear on her wedding day "you look as lovely as the doll in your window." Also, he asked her sister if she was masturbing and how many fingers she used and if she used the shower head. Are these among the many questions that are asked to all youth? This man is my brother in law. His wife is my sister. This bishop was a fucking creep.
My bishop asked me sexually explicit questions. Asking *how* I masturbate. Not whether. He wanted details about how a 12-year-old boy was touching himself. He wanted details about the type of porn I was looking at. “Topless? Panties? Penetration?”
This had nothing to do with Temple worthiness. This was a man in his 50’s, alone with a 12-year-old, asking detailed questions about my masturbation.
Jesus was clear what He thought about people like that.
@@HooliaMcGoolia All Hearsay accusations. You heard it from somebody who may or may not have been telling the truth.
@@pauljensen9793Agreed.
Damn. Stick it to them. This was awesome.
Fast and Testimony is not a soap box to criticise the church. As a Catholic I can’t imagine the priest getting up to berate church during the homily despite what he may feel about local or world policies…and there is a lot of contention in the Catholic church about a great deal among lay and clerical people.
The issue is however an important one that should be addressed…but not during church…come on.
There's no other time whene everyone is there and listening
@@ASMRyouVEGANyet it’s not the place to vent.
No Holy Spirit in that room . What an awful church
DEAD as a DOOR KNOB .
At my church First Church of the Lord Jesus Christ we don't believe in those type of practices. I heard a song that said take it to the Lord in prayer not the bishop. I believe in a lot of situations that's how children are groomed from a young age and made to feel comfortable. The whole time these sick fake pastors living out their own sick fantasies about children.
When you have someone filming, that's how you know it's setup. I asked about this and they actually allow parents to attend those interview meetings. Some parents don't attend. As a father I would attend all meetings which would include one of my children.
That's a new allowance. It wasn't that way until recently. Lots of abuse has happened prior to this change. The first person trying to make this change was Sam Young. He saw the abuse and was trying to stop it. He was excommunicated by the church.
@@unicorntamer2207 Excommunicated for wanting to protect children? Wow.. sure shows you what they value. Privacy to manipulate is more important than a child
@@kiavalo Yes, that's why these videos are a big deal. The church keeps protecting abusers instead of children.
Yeah, I think I was only like 13 years old whenever my old bishop had pulled me into his office to be alone with him for over an hour while he drilled me with a bunch of personal questions, like if I had been intimate with anyone, etc. (Which, I was so young I had not even kissed a boy by that point?! 🤦😂 Smh), but luckily nothing bad happened. But looking back now it seems SO creepy & weird the fact that those meetings would even be a thing, & with kids SO young too, & with no parents there either. It's just gross creepy vibes.... lol.
Everyone knows that you're not supposed to film in the chapel. Definitely a cheap set up
I just can't believe as I continue to watch these videos that church members are getting shut down over and over again by their bishops and they are unable to complete their message, that they just want to protect their family and children. Very sad and upsetting.
It is bad that it is being ignored but we do not want to detracted from the meeting about christ.
@@konnereyre7129 Pretty sure Jesus would be at that pulpit giving a lecture about it.
Did what was right and the consequence followed. That's what the song is all about, right?
Why Undisclosed? What are they afraid of? What are they hiding?
You should ask the person who shot and/or uploaded the vid why he/she did not disclose it. It has nothing to do with the church. Also, shooting videos in the chapels is not allowed.
@@theephraimite do you want your daughter getting asked sexually explicit questions by.a 50 year old man behind closed doors?
@@laytonburtenshaw6681 it’s been going on for more than a century without any problems. Why is it a problem now? Maybe the questions should be less explicit. All of this is designed to help the individual maintain high standards and stay on the right path. So yes, I wouldn’t mind a 50 yr old asking to determine worthiness. Maybe the questions should be a bit more general, I don’t know.
@@theephraimite They absolutely should not be asking 12 year old kids sexually explicit questions. Its always been a problem, it just has not come to light until the last 20 years due to the internet being so prominent now.
So dont say it has been going on for a century without many problems. Many LDS bishops have been arrested for pedophilia.
@@laytonburtenshaw6681 asking sexually explicit questions to determine worthiness is not pedophilia. If it’s a concern, maybe should discuss it with the leaders and make the questions less explicit.
I believe more people should stand up and talk to let other people know what's going on, you have to let the public know all the time do not be scared fight back that's what I tell my own children because they go to that cult so-called Church, I pray everyday that they are safe because I believe their lives are in danger every single day and I hope that they know how much I love them and how much I'm trying to do everything I can to save them from all those people's lies, something big needs to happen like arrests or something to let the whole world know how wrong these people are by doing things like that to our children by brainwashing them and pretend like they really care ,taking them to Cub Scouts and all these games ect... just so they can get their trust and then mess up their lives, I really don't care if people like what I write or not it's my opinion it's a fact of what I know and seen and this is still America and we're somewhat still kind of free and we should say whatever we feel without being crucified by other people that are radical, racist, crooked, Liars,
Like I said my children are the most important thing in the world and I will not stop until they are safe from these brainwashing people, please stand up for the people you love like this gentleman did especially for your children, their the future
This was a set up hence the filming. 😢
Was it a set up? Or was it o bring awareness to a very serious situation and to show proof that the church likes to silence those who are brave enough to speak out.
Total set up. Why else would someone happen to randomly be recording church?
Unfortunately we don't know the other side.
But the reason we don't hear the other side is because a church pulpit isn't used for accusing others. Wrong place.
Go to the police.
@luanagardner1815 someone isn't randomly recording. His wife, my sister, is recording. She suffered abuse from our bishop when she was little. This is a perfect place and if it's not then it just proves more that the church is trying to hide all their bullshit.
Go to the police?? She was a little girl having a private interview with a respected leader who tells her she should only keep it between her him and God. You really think a little girl is gonna go to the police?
What's your point specifically?
@@theeight-roadwanderer6286 My point is that this person is using a platform that's for worshipping Christ, for his own personal use (something that he would have taken straight to police had it been warranted).
Testimony meeting NOT Story telling meeting. Every ward does that. Makes me so 😡😡😡
+Prenten Frazier..you are Right. This was not handled well. I was a Mormon for years and I have been held inappropriately by bishops and propositioned by members with priesthood..but they were men in authority and I was afraid of them. That church gives too much power to men. I have a little bit of a bad feeling still..but I am getting better.
Yeah i agree the one on one meeting thing used to be a problem but they changed that. Now people, and more specifically youth, can ask to have another adult present during the meeting. The church of course isn't always going to be perfect because God has put humans in charge of leadership on earth. Of course he is at the head, but all humans have agency so of course there will be problems. We just need to acknowledge the problems of the past, admit they were wrong, fix them, and try our best to move forward so we can focus on what's really important which is Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ ❤
I agree with you
Private one on one are supposed to be private. Between the bishop and the adults as well as between the youth. He does not interview young children. It just isnt done. If you are interviewed all he asks is if you are morally clean and if you pay a full tithe and if you are honest in all your dealings. This is not inappropriaye questions. If someone does not understand a question then the bishop might explain to the youth what he means. For instance if he asks someone if they are morally clean or he might use the words do you keep yourself clran. He might explain if the child does not understand the question. I repeat he does not interview any young children unless they ate getting ready to be baptized. There are a lot of other religions thay emphasize purity at marriage. And all he does if someone says they did something that morally hurts you, he does not punish you. Je councils you ....my dad was a bishop for many years. He was a very kind and loving person. A bishop is like a minister he councils them and gives them suggestionson how to stop your behavior and how to draw closer to God . This young man was out of line airing his laundry in public.
Period.... Nuff said.
I disagree, Linda. I've been extremely close to the situation, and the questions you have listed are not ALL that can and has been asked.
Scripted, memorized and filmed. How convenient.
Brad jennings,standing up for his sexual perverted brother. GOOD JOB YOU SHIT HEAD..
Hurt any children lately Brad?
He, like many well-meaning members, don't know what a testimony is. It is dishonest to stand up for a testimony and intentionally give something totally different. He needs to read a study done by Jennifer Roach, a former Episcopalian Deacon who joined the church in the last 5 years. The Lord's church is the safest church for children of any religious organization on the planet if you will read Jennifer's scientific study. Jennifer is a Psychologist/Counselor. Because we have a centralized church will billions of dollars the Lord's church is a target of unreasonable blame on the subject of child protection issues.
as a boy at the age of 8-12 I was raped and molested by a deacon of my church. The Bible Baptist Church in Butner, NC by a man named Pete Thompson. I was also molested by three other leaders of this church. Keep children away from these f'ing a$$holes and keep kids safe in one of the most unsafe places, THE CHURCH.
What the fuck are you smoking? His wife, my SISTER was asked so many DISGUSTING questions when she was 15. He did that to my other sister as well. That bishop was a fucking CREEP. That's just one example. Then there's my neighbor who was RAPED by MULTIPLE different bishops and my neighbor is a male. My therapists husband got arrested. He was a bishop who molested 4 young men. Those are just examples of people I know personally. I could go on and on about all the instances that have been in the news. The LDS church is DISGUSTING
@@HooliaMcGoolia Boy, you've had about 20 different lifetimes of this happening just to you in your short life.
It does happen
No one is saying it doesn't happen. It happens everywhere in the world. The point is that a church pulpit isn't for accusations.
Go to the police if something inappropriate happened.
1. This was a total set up. The man was not part of the congregation. He had someone filming. He took advantage of a testimony meeting, which is a meeting designed to uplift and encourage members, to debase and shame church leadership.
2. His comments and feelings should be heard, but a testimony meeting is not the appropriate place to do it. There is a format for expressing complaints in the church. People may not like it, but there is a way to do it properly. It's not any different if you were to stand up in a large company meeting and start making negative comments about company leadership. They would shut that down too. Church is no different.
3. If improper things happen in a meeting with a church leader and a youth, it's is very very very very rare in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I understand that one time is too many. But there is no rule, policy or procedure that will stop one person out of tens of thousands of church leaders if that leader is a predator. They will find a way to do what they want.
4. Interviews with youth are important. These interviews, of which I've done many, have more to do with just getting to know the youth better and to development a relationship with them. Question about the Law of Chastity is just one of many questions that are asked about their life. Parents are free to be in attendance if the child and parent want. And parents are made aware of it. Most kids don't want their parents in the room. They want to be able to talk in an environment free from the pressure of a parent. The youth is allowed to freely talk about whatever they want.
5. When I was a youth, I did a lot of things that I felt guilty about. I didn't want to tell my parents but I knew that God wanted me to repent of those sins. And I wanted to get them out in the open and off my back. When I confessed my sins to my Bishop, he didn't judge me. He was caring, loving and understanding. And I felt a hundred times better about myself when I left that room. I was grateful for the meetings with my Bishop.
This is the perfect place to expose the lies of this cult. The congregation is Hellbound and needs to hear the truth now.
@@RachelParker-1977 Are you Jesus Christ? Because last time I checked, he is the only one that can make the decision who goes to heaven and who goes to hell. Not you. Not me. Not anyone, but him.
@@davidfrey5654 No. Read: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:16-19
#2. No truer words. Yes, the church is JUST LIKE A CORPORATION. Lol
@@wh1skeyrebellion This cult is a corporation.
Impressed that this man took such a risk since he could get excommunicated for it
I bet he doesn't care! I would welcome it if I were him.
He's not wrong....
You know when someone starts saying key words like I’d like to say something that’s been on my mind for awhile you know what’s going to go down.
I love the design of that sanctuary! Very cool design with the pipe organ box above the center!
Say what you will about organized religion, those bastards know how to construct an edifice
A lot of our churches may be less plain so we focus on Christ instead of worrying about how pretty the building is, but I still love the designs of our chapels
we need to join forces and have a protest in Washington DC.
For more videos like this...please type in ‘ex jehovah’s witness’ in YT or google.
Together we can make a change
God bless you! Your fambly should be proud to call you son and dad! 😢😢😢😭😭
Why do they let their kids go crazy in the middle of church??? I would be willing to bet Joseph Smith would never allow such disrespect. But then again js was a liar so someone has to drown out the lies
Let kids be kids, you child abuser.
Whoa Cowboy ! We don’t allow the truth in here !
I was forced to attend the LDS church growing up. Plz before you join or attend another Sunday meeting plz pick up a Bible. Read Gods love letter to his children. Pray about it and I pray that you recieve the same life changing grace that our loving, living, and yes brown skinned, Jesus can offer. Best part, it's free!!!!! You don't have to jump through hoops, cross off a to do list, or pay money! 🥰💕
Why do u say brown skinned?
You don’t have to pay money in the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. But if you want to enter the temple you have to pay your tithing which is 10% of your earnings. Without tithing the temples probably wouldn’t be there and the poor and the needy wouldn’t get as much help as they need. It’s not a pay to be a member.
@@Chillymosquito Because dark skinned people were not allowed into the priesthood in the LDS church until almost 1980.
Consider this:
The word Adam means man, it also means one who can blush/flush, (show blood in the face) which people of color cannot do, it means reddish/white, etc.
Jacob's father Isaac and mother Rebecca were Syrians (Caucasians). Plus, the very word Laban means WHITE. Laban said to Jacob, "we're of the SAME skin". Laban was Rebecca's brother. Lebanon is named after Laban because of the snow capped mountain. Jacob said his father was a Syrian in Deut 26:5 which makes Jacob a white Syrian as well. Whites have transparent skin, when we're embarrassed we blush ,when we're frightened we "turn white as a ghost" and we also go flush or pale when we're ashamed just as Jacob's face went pale from being ashamed. That is a biblical description of a white Jacob. Jacob was a white Syrian just as president Assad is white. Even David was described in the same way as the rest of the Hebrews as having a white face with a red complexion. He was "ruddy and fair". As you know "fair" means light/white like fair skin, fair hair. (below) ALL the tribes came to David and said they're of the same flesh (white skin) as him. Samson was a Nazarite, they're Israelite's too, he was whiter than milk with a red complexion. Solomon was white with a red complexion. He had a white face, white abdomen, white neck, white nose, white legs like marble. He had emerald eyes like fish pools. I've showed Laban, Jacob, David, Samson, and Solomon were ALL white Hebrew/Israelite's. Those mentioned are all blood related family members of Jesus. Jesus was born in Galilee making him a Galatian (Gaul/Celt) I can prove Galatians/Celts migrated from Macedonia and western Europe (Gaul) into Turkey. then into Galilee. Galatians get their name from the word gala meaning milk. (they're whiter than milk, more ruddy than rubies).
Strong's Concordance gala: milk
Genesis 25:20 King James Version (KJV) 20 And Isaac was forty years old when he took Rebekah to wife, the daughter of Bethuel the Syrian of Padanaram, the sister to Laban the Syrian
Deuteronomy 26:5 King James Version (KJV) 5 And thou shalt speak and say before the Lord thy God A Syrian ready to perish was my father and he went down into Egypt, and sojourned there with a few, and became there a nation, great, mighty, and populous:
2 Samuel 5:5 King James Version (KJV) 5 Then came all the tribes of Israel to David unto Hebron, and spake, saying Behold, we are thy bone and thy flesh
1 Chronicles 11:1 King James Version (KJV) 11 Then all Israel gathered themselves to David unto Hebron, saying Behold, we are thy bone and thy flesh
Tower of Lebanon godzdogz.op.org/images/blogs/godzdogz/2011/02/07-2-6.TowerDavid-224x300.jpg
Song of Solomon 5:10 My beloved is white and ruddy the chiefest among ten thousand.
Song of Solomon 5:14 ► His hands are as gold rings set with the beryl: his belly is as bright ivory overlaid with sapphires
Song of Solomon 7:4 Thy neck is as a tower of ivory thine eyes like the fishpools in Heshbon, by the gate of Bathrabbim: thy nose is as the tower of Lebanon which looketh toward Damascus.
Song of Solomon 5:15 His legs are as pillars of marble set upon sockets of fine gold: his countenance is as Lebanon excellent as the cedars.
Isaiah 29:22 Therefore thus saith the LORD, who redeemed Abraham, concerning the house of Jacob, Jacob shall not now be ashamed, neither shall his face now wax PALE
1 Samuel 17:42 And when the Philistine looked about, and saw David, he disdained him: for he was but a youth, and ruddy, and of a FAIR countenance
Genesis 29:14 King James Version (KJV) 14 And Laban said to him, Surely thou art my bone and my flesh And he abode with him the space of a month.
Lamentations 4:7 Her Nazarites were purer than snow, they were whiter than milk, they were more ruddy in body than rubies their polishing was of sapphire:
Strong's Concordance laban: white Original Word: לָבָן Part of Speech: Adjective Transliteration: laban Phonetic Spelling: (law-bawn')
Short Definition: white
Naz·i·rite ˈnazəˌrīt/ nounhistorical noun: Nazarite an Israelite consecrated to the service of God, under vows to abstain from alcohol, let the hair grow, and avoid defilement by contact with corpses
(Num. 6). fair fer/ adjective1.in accordance with the rules or standards; legitimate."the group has achieved fair and equal representation for all its members"synonyms: just, equitable, honest, upright, honorable, trustworthy; More2. (of hair or complexion) light; blond synonyms: blond/blonde, yellowish, golden, flaxen, light, ash blond "fair hair" pale, light, light-colored, white, creamy
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance Adam NASB Translation reddish (2) reddish-white (4).somewhat reddish Reduplicated from 'adam; reddish -- (somewhat) reddish. To show blood (in the face) i.e. Flush or turn rosy -- be (dyed, made) red (ruddy). adam: man, mankind Original Word: אָדָם see HEBREW 'adam
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Didn't read any of that novel . Idk if u r racist or what, but it won't work with me. I know my Jesus and he's a permatanned badass!!
Thing is, you’re not entitled to hijack a church’s worship and fellowship service to preach your political messages. It doesn’t matter if you have a good message, this was not a proper venue to preach it.
It is a good and Godly thing to disrupt the services of heretics.
@@iamkenough- Spoken like a true Pharisee. “Do you speak against the orthodox beliefs of the times? Then you don’t deserve the same rights and protections afforded everyone else.”
The people who crucified Jesus and persecuted the Apostles were possessed of the same mindset.
But I’m sure Christ would be proud of the atrocities you would be willing to commit to stamp out heresy.
@@Garthantula
Good morning.
Just here to remind you:
You won’t become a god one day and Joseph smith “translated” the Book of Mormon from a hat.
Okay, carry on. 🙂
@@iamkenough- As long as you respect my right to worship God according to my beliefs, then I can peacefully let you worship the Bible according to your beliefs.
@@Garthantula sorry, I don’t respect your beliefs or your rights to worship because they are false. I do not personally believe in freedom of religion.
Another fine example of what Hitchens said, "Religion poisons everything."
@John Doe Such a reply puts the burden of proof that such a person existed, and had some sort of supernatural power is in your court.