Mormon bishop immediately regrets inviting non-believing member to come back to church & participate
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A Mormon bishop in Meridian, Idaho (Vienna Woods Ward) recently invited an inactive, non-believing member to “come back to church and participate.”
He did just that and was then “invited” to sit down before he finished bearing his testimony. Several members, including the 1st Counselor in the bishopric, spoke with him afterwards.
FYI: This Mormon ward in Meridian, ID. lost quite a few members to the so-called “Remnant” movement (aka the Snufferites) prior to this incident: Here’s an article about the Remnant movement from the Salt Lake Tribune: www.sltrib.com/religion/local...
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If the leader of your religion did things that aren't kosher for kids, you're probably in the wrong religion...
The definition of kosher is genuine and legititate. Seems kosher to me
@True Colors Funny how you dismiss one holy book while making declarations as if your book doesn't fall into the same category... myth/fiction.
Well you just wiped out religion and all stories...the news, politics, most of history, your pre marriage history.
Not "probably" ....you are in the wrong religion if you must hide the truth in order to keep them as members
@@NubbinzGaming ... funny how my hand on my profile youtube pic is a right hand & urs is a left hand.
'We're cousins!" the most Mormon conversation ever 😂😂😂
The hesitation in his voice before he said “gay marriage”, as someone who grew up in the church I understand your bravery. Good job
"same-sex marriage/attraction" is the proper terminology within the church for some reason
Sierra, why would the church support gay marriage?
For those saying what he did was inappropriate. Being I am a ex Mormorn I can see and agree with why he did it. You can't just leave the LDS faith. You have people who stop over unannounced. Family, the Bishop and Missionaries call and stop over. There all analyzing what is wrong with you and why you left the one and only true Church. Even though you ask them to stop contacting you it continues. Then they start trying to contact your kids. The LDS Church has no respect for your privacy when you leave the Church. So this guy knew what he had to do to buy his freedom. That's all he was doing, buying his freedom. I threatened my Dad with doing this if the harassment from the LDS Church and Family members didn't stop. My Dad knew I was serious and within weeks all contact ceased.
I resigned my LDS membership some 20 years ago...and not once have I/we been contacted since my (and family's) resignation.
Maybe it was because I gave them 60 days to do the job...that if they didn't, I would have my lawyer get involved.
60 days later I got the acknowledgement letter telling us we were OUT.😆
If you just walk away it's almost a guarantee you will be contacted by LDS reps.
You simply have to ask. People don’t know your status unless you make it known. And even then, they’re just doing their best to be friends and reach out. Funny enough there are people in your scenario that get mad when people don’t reach out and feel abandoned. Damned if ya do, damned if ya don’t.
If being contacted by church representatives can't be stopped, how did your dad stop it? In my experience, all requests to end contact from the church is respected and adhered to.
@@davidlarsen8284 they legally have to.
@@davidlarsen8284 After the first few that were sent over simply disappear they'll get the message and stop bothering you.
"You brought a terrible spirit in here! The spirit of facts".
“My mind is made up, now do not confuse me with the truth.”
Jesus would be proud of you.
can you explain the theory of peado with a 14 yr old.
@@danielmoore4024 Google "Stockholm syndrome".
@@danielmoore4024 Investigate this:
The word Adam means man, it also means one who can blush/flush, (show blood in the face) which Negroes, Latinos, Asians cannot do, it means reddish/white, etc.
Jacob's father Isaac and mother Rebecca were Syrians (Caucasians). Plus, the very word Laban means WHITE. Laban said to Jacob, "we're of the SAME skin". Laban was Rebecca's brother. Lebanon is named after Laban because of the snow capped mountain. Jacob said his father was a Syrian in Deut 26:5 which makes Jacob a white Syrian as well. Whites have transparent skin, when we're embarrassed we blush ,when we're frightened we "turn white as a ghost" and we also go flush or pale when we're ashamed just as Jacob's face went pale from being ashamed. That is a biblical description of a white Jacob. Jacob was a white Syrian just as president Assad is white. Even David was described in the same way as the rest of the Hebrews as having a white face with a red complexion. He was "ruddy and fair". As you know "fair" means light/white like fair skin, fair hair. (below) ALL the tribes came to David and said they're of the same flesh (white skin) as him. Samson was a Nazarite, they're Israelite's too, he was whiter than milk with a red complexion. Solomon was white with a red complexion. He had a white face, white abdomen, white neck, white nose, white legs like marble. He had emerald eyes like fish pools. I've showed Laban, Jacob, David, Samson, and Solomon were ALL white Hebrew/Israelite's. I too have brought several bible witnesses. Those mentioned are all blood related family members of Jesus. Jesus was born in Galilee making him a Galatian (Gaul/Celt) I can prove Galatians/Celts migrated from Macedonia and western Europe (Gaul) into Turkey. then into Galilee. Galatians get their name from the word gala meaning milk. (they're whiter than milk, more ruddy than rubies).
Can you show me Negroes, Latinos, Asians being described in the bible? West Africa isn't even mentioned on the table of nations map per Genesis 10.
Strong's Concordance gala: milk Genesis 25:20 King James Version (KJV) 20 And Isaac was forty years old when he took Rebekah to wife, the daughter of Bethuel the Syrian of Padanaram, the sister to Laban the Syrian
Deuteronomy 26:5 King James Version (KJV) 5 And thou shalt speak and say before the Lord thy God A Syrian ready to perish was my father and he went down into Egypt, and sojourned there with a few, and became there a nation, great, mighty, and populous:
2 Samuel 5:5 King James Version (KJV) 5 Then came all the tribes of Israel to David unto Hebron, and spake, saying Behold, we are thy bone and thy flesh
1 Chronicles 11:1 King James Version (KJV) 11 Then all Israel gathered themselves to David unto Hebron, saying Behold, we are thy bone and thy flesh
table of nations map i.ytimg.com/vi/YbyHZdA3tyI/maxresdefault.jpg
Tower of Lebanon godzdogz.op.org/images/blogs/godzdogz/2011/02/07-2-6.TowerDavid-224x300.jpg
Song of Solomon 5:10 My beloved is white and ruddy the chiefest among ten thousand.
Song of Solomon 5:14 ► His hands are as gold rings set with the beryl: his belly is as bright ivory overlaid with sapphires
Song of Solomon 7:4 Thy neck is as a tower of ivory thine eyes like the fishpools in Heshbon, by the gate of Bathrabbim: thy nose is as the tower of Lebanon which looketh toward Damascus.
Song of Solomon 5:15 His legs are as pillars of marble set upon sockets of fine gold: his countenance is as Lebanon excellent as the cedars.
Isaiah 29:22 Therefore thus saith the LORD, who redeemed Abraham, concerning the house of Jacob, Jacob shall not now be ashamed, neither shall his face now wax PALE
1 Samuel 17:42 And when the Philistine looked about, and saw David, he disdained him: for he was but a youth, and ruddy, and of a FAIR countenance
Genesis 29:14 King James Version (KJV) 14 And Laban said to him, Surely thou art my bone and my flesh And he abode with him the space of a month.
Lamentations 4:7 Her Nazarites were purer than snow, they were whiter than milk, they were more ruddy in body than rubies their polishing was of sapphire:
Strong's Concordance laban: white Original Word: לָבָן Part of Speech: Adjective Transliteration: laban Phonetic Spelling: (law-bawn')
Short Definition: white Naz·i·rite ˈnazəˌrīt/ nounhistorical noun: Nazarite an Israelite consecrated to the service of God, under vows to abstain from alcohol, let the hair grow, and avoid defilement by contact with corpses
(Num. 6). fair fer/ adjective1.in accordance with the rules or standards; legitimate."the group has achieved fair and equal representation for all its members"synonyms: just, equitable, honest, upright, honorable, trustworthy; More2. (of hair or complexion) light; blond synonyms: blond/blonde, yellowish, golden, flaxen, light, ash blond "fair hair" pale, light, light-colored, white, creamy
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance Adam NASB Translation reddish (2) reddish-white (4).somewhat reddish Reduplicated from 'adam; reddish -- (somewhat) reddish. To show blood (in the face) i.e. Flush or turn rosy -- be (dyed, made) red (ruddy). adam: man, mankind Original Word: אָדָם see HEBREW 'adam
God, I dont miss that mind f*%^ of a cult one bit.
“If we have the truth, it cannot be harmed by investigation. If we have not the truth, it ought to be harmed.” - J. Reuben Clark
A lot of people investigated and left the church and we always know that always come back if you know how to do your research, search up don bradley he left the church for 7 years and came back and had a stronger testimony, we have the fullness in doctrine
"I believe you can lead good, fulfilling, honest lives without religion." he says that here. he has that right.
Let me tell you, that's not what's on dying irreligious people's minds. Too late they ask about God and know they will leave this world in a body bag just like everybody else.
Sure you can live honest good lives without it being done for the glory of God. But in the end, every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Repent and trust in Jesus. Time is short and eternity (in heaven or hell) is forever. Choose ye this day whom you will serve. There is only one God, the God of the bible who does not need other books to represent Him. The bible is the final book. And God is the final authority.
That last guy is a true jerk....glad I am no longer part of that lie
Big jerk. Full of judgement
Don't invite people back if you don't want to hear why they left.
That doesn't make sense. If the guy doesn't like the church, he can just stay home. Like the family members I no longer invite over for holidays because they wreck the place every time. Stay home. Don't piss on my parade.
It was his opportunity to share why he left the church. The bishop asked him to come back, so it's on him.
@@prometheus5700 the bishop invited him. Dumb bishop.
That's the main problem.
The LDS church provides NO PLACE for people who are struggling with their faith.
We can understand that lack of openness.
True Blue Mormons may start doubting after hearing truth...
@@daveyjones9930 I agree, members of the church have quite judgmental in my opinion, made it really hard for my brother to come back, doesn’t mean it isn’t true
A lot of you guys in the comments are saying " He was so disrespectful! He was in someone's house and said what he felt "
Mormons do that too by going on a mission and knocking on people's houses wanting to share a message.
Good point.
Even if this guy made a no contact request he could have still been contacted by the bishop like that. That gets really old when you were traumatized by the church
@@jamescheddar4896 It is very easy to have your name removed from Church records. A signed letter to your current Bishop stating your desire to have your baptism cancelled and record removed.
@@macadameane that lasts for a few years then they come back
"Because the mormon church does it, I can too" is not a great moral compass to live by.
I guess they only want someone’s testimony if it suits their narrative. Brave man for sharing his truth.
And it accomplished nothing.
Yup that's exactly the way it works ..I wouldn't b surprised if at least one person has similar concerns and he may have helped them.
@@valuecalc How do you know this? He planted seeds of truth and broadcast it to the world.... just read these comments ❤️🙏
@@MsQ275, wrong place, wrong time...
its a group of people that come together for a day of peace not a day to ruffle feathers and get contentious
The way this triggered my fight or flight... -an exmormon
Mad, fight and flight are both in opposition. Bye.
@Marty McFly Smarty, you recruit those stupid readers - don't pretend they scare you.
@@gunnerlawts do you have anything better to do than argue with random people online? Not gonna change any opinions, time cam be better spent elsewhere.
Same here. I got so scared.
Same haha
"We have kids in here to indoctrinate" is what he meant to say.
And dozens of people have said that in the past 5 months; pretty silly to repeat it.
@Jim Caponzi Pretty silly to repeat it.
The point of what the bishop was saying is not to hide the truth of doctrine but to present doctrine in an age-appropriate manner.. what's in the hearing of young children that lack the understanding.. of "poly" -
They don't even know what the word polygamy means... Any more than you would stand up and discuss sexuality in a public meeting and call out your testimony.
I believe that age appropriate education is right and important and I do not find any fault in the bishop correcting him for his verbal essay.
If the guy is really serious about returning to church.... And especially the fact that he was educated enough and even served a mission..
He should know better......
That's just what the bishop was saying to him there's nothing wrong with that.!!
This man has balls you can tell he is trying not to lose it. Lovd him
This “man” is a chicken shit.
That's the way they all are
I’ve got kids in there” what he failed to say is “that I’m dragging in here to be brainwashed every week! How could you come in here and disrupt that?!”
You sound delusional and idiotic and you seem like you follow other People's opinions
exactly
You're entitled to teach your kids whatever beliefs you want and I'll teach my kids my kids beliefs that I have. If you think it's ok to come into a place of worship just to denounce it and try to destroy the beliefs of the congregation, then you're the one who has got some serious issues more than the issues you prescribe to the members of the church. This was extremely inappropriate behavior.
You invited him to speak and he spoke. And I have to say this young man was very brave.
@@sillysarah7249 Haha that was his testimony of the church, just not a standard "I know the church is true and I'm oblivious to basic science and knowledge" kind of testimony.
@@sillysarah7249 He did just that.He bared "HIS" testimony of the church. The truth is out.Do you want to be in a click or do you really want to find God? Pray for truth.
@@sillysarah7249 He did have a testimony and he didn't have to ask anybody to give or sell him one.
He’s there to stir things up. What a Jack ass.
@@BeastMode19799 He was asked to come and bear his testimony. He did. It's just not the same as yours.
If doctrine is too heavy for kids to fully grasp, perhaps they shouldn't be baptizing them at 8 yrs old.
So much this!
And then ridiculing them when they decide they no longer believe at 18, because they are too young to know it isn’t true.
YES!!!!
Tanis Christiana, they only want the kids to hear the whitewashed version of Joseph Smith. Don’t mention his child brides or the fact that he was drunk and shooting back in the Carthage jail. Don’t mention the glass looking conviction or his Kirtland bank fraud scandal. Just the faux fax, ma’am.
NewNameNoah I just learned about the Kirtland quasi-bank scandal the other day. LOL Still learning at 42, and I've spent my whole life around Mormons.
He's got a nine year old...but can't reveal the totality of his church's founder? Strange, very strange.
The LDS church doesn't like truth.
Nor does any other church or religion. They are all about control.
No different than most political ideologies. Don't stray from their version of truth.
My first takeaway from this video, no one looks happy to be there.
Thats becuase they run peoples lives totally....if they let them.
The x communication is a dang joke. As if they could stop a soul from going to grace. Just goofy
Goofy folks. Anyone should be happy to have that happen.
like most church services they are interminable boredom..
I was told growing up that I was my mom’s “free spirit” and it was in a negative way. Smh 🤦♀️ I quit going at 18 and never went to the temple except I did baptisms for the dead once. The secrecy behind the temple ceremonies scared me. I refused to go.
@@eclecticempath5263
What kind of secret ceremonies did they have?
I'm unfamiliar with LDS
@@RicArmstrong in the temple. They have what they call endowments, baptisms for the dead and one other ceremony. I never went because I was too afraid to. They won’t tell you what you do there because it’s “too sacred to speak of outside the temple” so I said f that lol never went to the temple. If you look up New Name Noah on TH-cam you can see some of the ceremonies. He secretly recorded them. It’s eye opening.
If you need to worry about age appropriate historical material for your kids concerning your religious practices, there is a issue with the beliefs.
Or there's the fact that life is messy and not always G-rated.
“How dare you expose my false religion in front of my kids!” 😂😂😂
@rl1b99 : EXACTLY 💯... How dare he lie to his own children, & everyone else just to keep them ignorant of his Cult!! But yet, he's the victim right !! 🤦🏽♂️
You guys are so blinded it's not even a joke 🤣
I like your picture
If you're easily shaken by an opposing view point, you probably don't know the truth yet.
"You've been in the church long enough to know we aren't honest with children."
Honest Abe
He wasn't honest either. the Civil war was not about slavery,, no sir.
Waaait, so this video was "published on 31 Mar 2019", so it should be 10 days old, but there are comments from 10 months ago? okaaaay lol
@@valeriavagapova honestly wtf???
@@millerbiller4657 yeah I'm still lost on that lol, no idea not that can be possible
@@valeriavagapova sometimes people repost their video. It isn't a lie, it is a reposting
So this man was invited to share his testimony. He did so, and they cut him short because they’re didn’t like it. Then bishop got up, and gave the “correct” testimony. As if the bishop’s testimony was more authoritative and important.
@Jim Caponzi Did you misread Ashley's message? Sounds to me she's not pro-mormon.
@@danielmoore4024 You mean to say you, Daniel Moore could tell 1 1/2 billion Catholics they were wrong on your say so? LOLOL You and that "political vote" nonsense. LOLOL
@@danielmoore4024 What revelation have you received today Daniel Moore? What did your mormon "god" say to you. Tell us.
@@danielmoore4024 And I suppose you believe in the flat Earth theory?
@@danielmoore4024 OK So you gained one soul for the Joseph Smith "church". You do realize there are many, many who are leaving after learning the truth by reading Gospel Topics Essays and the CES Letter. Win a few, lose a lot.
Oh man! That guy has balls. I love it.
"But there's kids!" 😂
Gotta protect the kids from learning about the real life of Joseph Smith!
Oh my hell.
This guy will never tell his children the truth about the church, or they would leave like the millions that have already left and the millions that are going to leave.
I'm one of them. Ex-Mormon from Germany here.
Dude has balls to do that.
Think how nervous he must have
No he doesn’t.
I respect him fully
@@supercool9180 then you go to a church where your beliefs run contrary and give a testimony in front of the entire congregation.
@@jjstratford wdym?
19:00 Why is knowledge of polygamy so damaging or offensive to children? This whole "please, think of the children" shtick is a bit overdone, no? Absurd really. Especially when one considers a large portion of Mormonism is dedicated to bending the minds of the youth.
I am so proud of this man. The false doctrine of LDS is one of the most poisonous things I've ever seen in faith. First of all, we are all lambs of God, we are all children, and Jesus loves the little children. He was one of the first to talk to them as they are - and 1 year or 100 is a blink of the eye in the name of the ONE TRUE GOD, the only god. The only one... So praise to the people who practice the way, as he would, and tell truths, no matter how uncomfortable they may be... Secrets are the root of all sin. Scripture supports the notion that all sin will be exposed in the light of the lord. Sacred is never a secret, and Jesus came to finish the laws of the past that excluded us from a Kingdom life, here on earth, as in heaven. I am so proud of the courage I see when people like this testify, even when scrutiny and subjectivity might put them into a place of ridicule. You did well, and you probably felt much like Jesus did, the first time he proclaimed that he is the son of man. There is no other. And no, they are not 3 separate gods. The Father (the Heart), the Son (the hand, or body), and the Spirit, (the mind) are all the same thing. God cut off his hand and put it on earth so that we had a physical manifestation of him. He gave us a pathway to him through the holy cancellor through his spirit, so we could learn to love him, on our own- no restrictions. I love your humility in the process of dealing with these folks. You did so well. God bless you.
Well said. Most importantly, Jesus died on the cross, and the LDS church does not believe he did. I pray for Mormons everyday. I figure that my prayers are bringing one Mormon at a time, to Jesus Christ. He is the way, the Life, and the Truth! No one gets to the Father, but through Jesus Christ! ❤️🙏🏼. People need to get right. Time is running out.
If you can teach your children to follow two men and believe what they taught, yet you say your children are not old enough to hear the truths about how these men lived, then you are not following and believing in the two right men.
Perfectly said
"Don't bring facts to this establishment" is basically what he said.
Basically lying - not facts.
Scholars don't have the facts. That is being realized every day.
@@tecnolover2642 I'm guessing you're part of the cult?
@@musickf You guess too much.
@Jim Caponzi Ah, Jim the Mick. Welcome back.
Hiding the truth of a church background from children who are asked to join for life before knowing it, seems not kosher to me
That's because it's not. Their "age of accountability" is 8 because 8 y/o's don't know what the hell they're getting into, it's just mommy and daddy spouting off opinions and little Timmy doesn't know what to do
@@chloebridges5440 Now they want to lower the age of accountability to 7.
Half of the congregation are not paying attention, look like they would rather be some where else.
The talk was boring lol!
The talk was boring and STUPID.
"Hi, weve never met, but I was your home teacher for over five years."
😂😂😂
A lie of omission is still a lie. Telling him he can't bring up those topics because there are kids there, is because they'd rather lie to their kids.
They don't want the kids to know that if they were a Mormon 200 years ago, there is a good chance that Joseph would want to get them in the sack.
Thats the problem. People keep raising their children in this even though they know its a lie. So it's just a continuous cycle. It's like santa clause
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@@karimsonsafehold9233 Are you a flat Earther or something? Horrible analogy as we have evidence the earth is not flat, and it's irrational to think we should teach kids everything that's not true (that's an infinite list.) These issues are admitted as issues, with evidence, hidden from those who have been or will become baptized, without full disclosure of the facts. So you used a demonstrable non-truth as an analogy for admitted truths like JS's multiple wives. One wonders how you've learned to be so condescending with analogies so bad.
This dude has some BALLS!
For being rude?
@@neriauati570 the guy who gave the speech is, but that’s what you said. 😂
@@neriauati570 he was being disrespectful.
@@supercool9180 I will take rude honest over fake truth everyday.
he does have so much balls...lol salute you
“We’ve got kids in there” we can’t let them hear what a pervert our dear Joe smith is lol!
Mmm no, learn history
@@lalzgarra9493Mmm YES! LEARN HISTORY!
@@Ldydiramey lol antimormoon, relax
The amount of triggered mormons in the comment section has made my whole night. Good job.
Lol those kids aren’t even listening I can assure you
The gentleman at the end is worried that the shared content wasn't age appropriate but did Joseph think marrying a 14 year old was age appropriate?
This comment is pure gold
@@danielmoore4024 it wasn't common during the time of Joseph Smith, that is a historical fact that I would encourage you to look at.
@@danielmoore4024 how about official court marriage records during that period cross country? that reveals the age of both parties. Plus polygamy was illegal at that time. This is well documented. I wouldn't trust a random online site but this is a matter of public record, no bias or slant, just the historical record. And history tells a different story.
@@danielmoore4024 There's a difference random sites and legitimate resources. Why is it that everything is anti-Mormon when it doesn't have the church's endorsement? This is a common thing I encounter in most lds folks, when they are presented with arguments or anything that calls into question their beliefs, they claim, "it's anti Mormon."
God's word says to test all things, cling to what's true, reject every kind of evil, " (1 thes. 5:21-22). But it's as though Mormons only run instead of test truth claims.
The point I was making about public marriage records is that they show that marrying young girls was not the norm, that is a fact whether you like it or not. And secondly, how would law enforcement know Joseph was marrying all these women and girls if he's married in a Mormon ceremonial fashion where they do their own thing.
My friend, I admire your enthusiasm and your faith but faith is futile if misplaced. I have LDS friends and members I talk with fairly regularly. The bible is the objective source of authority. Anything that deviates is from the enemy. Prayers and blessings my friend.
P.S. I'll look into the things you directed me to pertaining to Joseph's marriages. It's been a while since I've considered these sources because I'm concerned more so with refuting Mormon gospel and doctrine.
@@danielmoore4024 Respectively, God's word has never been lost. Isaiah 40:8 says, "The grass withereth and the flower fadeth but the Word of our God will stand forever" (KJV). Jesus confirms, "Heaven and Earth will pass away but My Words will not pass away" (Mt. 24:35).
Acts 3:21, Peter delivers his second sermon to those who witnessed the lame man walk again. Peter is referring to the eschaton or last days when God will finally restore things to His original intent, fellowship with God, the tangible and intangible living in unity.
The verse in acts 3:21 refers to Christ bring received in heaven until the "restitution of 'all' things" comes to pass, of which the prophets of old spoke about.
I’m so glad I got outta that church I was born into. Uggghhh. I’m sorry that you felt you needed to apologize to these zombies for bearing your testimony. Like you, I wish I’d had the courage to bear my TRUE testimony back in the day.
My only criticism is that Benjamin apologized. He didn’t say anything wrong and the guy criticizing him for talking about polygamy in front of his kids? Like wtf lol
It's a real dick move to go with malice into a congregation of believers of ANY religion just with the intent to preach to them that their beliefs are false. This was disgusting behavior and the fact that you dont' see that tells me what kind of piece of garbage you must be to interact with. The fact that you delight in destroying beliefs of religious persons is vile. If putting down others brings you joy that tells me everything I need to know and I hope you repent and one day change your disgusting and evil mentality.
@@Vetionarian
Exactly my thoughts. Let the people believe what they wish to believe. That is America after all.
The most crazy thing is how ashamed they are of Joseph Smith.
No, I think that their brains are trying to work. They should be ashamed of a con man and sexual predator.
Joseph Smith probably suffered more than 90% of all prophets for his mission in life, he got zero money/wealth for all his work, he got tar and feathered, he was hated by many. A con man gets wealth out of his con, Smith got nothin but pain. The Church of Jesus Christ is true and is of God, and because someone wrote this or that about the Prophet Joseph Smith over a century ago means zero, when over half of all the teachings of the world being taught today are lies and half truths, so why would you believe in some Joseph Smith hating man who wrote lies?
@@jerryhenrie8589 Do you know how the apostles died? Joseph got the honor of a bullet. The others, not so much. His power was absolute. He might have not died a rich man but it is telling that you think wealth is the measure of a man.
Smith got the adulation and power over his congregation he knew being a religious leader would garner. He also knew that subsequent "revelations" would give him licence to pursue his sexual proclivities or any other whims which entered his mind.
Jo Litsinger So did ya vote for Trump?
Same thing with Jehovah’s Witnesses. Cults must control your information.
Cults fear the truth.
And all religions are cults. Just ask them who is a cult. "Everyone but us" is what they think. It's all lies to get more money and power. They all need to grow up!
I believe this was the perfect forum to bring up his faith journey. I wish someone would've told me the truth at nine years old. I would've saved me a lot of headache later on in my life.
I guess this video is getting picked up by the algorithm.
Wow, that last guy. "Please protect our kids from the truth!" wouldn't want kids to have the truth now would we...
It's bizzare how all these adults seem to actually know the truth but just choose to bury their heads in the sand.
This guy has GUTS! I could never 😂
I agree with that guy at the end that it was inappropriate, not the place, not the platform, etc. However - when something so basic to your faith is inappropriate for kids to hear, don't you think that's a red flag that you're in a cult?
The problem is that polygamy is not "basic to [the LDS] faith" and hasn't been practiced for over 130 years. It's a complicated doctrine that can be confusing for those not mature enough to understand it, so there's nothing wrong with parents' deciding to wait until that time to explain it to their children.
@@tasamolic It is though. They believe in polygamy in the celestial kingdom.
How is it not the platform when one is INVITED to speak? I don't understand that.
@@ginnyg2003 It's an open invitation for anyone to bear testimony in support of the church. It's not an open forum for anything you want to say. I agree with everything he said, but the delivery was cringey cause it just wasn't the right forum for it. It's not like he was personally invited to speak. There's a respectful way to talk to Mormons about their church history and disrespectful ways to do it.
@@kristiblankenship5573 He said he received an invitation to give his testimony. Why did he get an invite if they didn't want to hear from him? When is the meeting where people are allowed to challenge the church with real questions?
The random “WE’RE COUSINS” from a stranger is such a big mormon family experience
"We've got kids in there you can't say that." That's exactly where you SHOULD share it. Kids need to learn critical thinking, not blind faith. He says he's mad about him talking about plural wives. That's not why he's mad, he's mad because this guys coming in telling his kids unfiltered truth he can't control.
I will give him credit, he was more calm and collected about that than most cult parents would have been.
no it's not have some respect.
this was the scariest POV ive ever watched
Liam Jones 😂🤣🤣
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Turns out when you have no spine and you immediately apologize for everything you do and say and believe, there is no real danger. Even the devil dislikes those who refuse to commit.
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Satan a freind of yours, is he?
@@michaelreeves1147 I wish he hadn't apologized too. But he's human.
🔥🔥🔥 His 9-y-o daughter is old enough to make a life long commitmet to the church through baptism, a COVENANT for her entire life, but she's not old enough to know the truth... Good job, dad.
mormon bishops ask children as young as 7 and 8 years old 29 questions of a sexual nature such as "Do you masturbate" and it's all approved and encouraged by the mormon hierarchy. It's sick. One mormon bishop, Sam Young tried to put a stop to it and he was excommunicated.
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@@2326038 You are such an idiot. "Are you morally clean?" That is the one question asked in a baptism interview that could possibly be considered having sexual connotations, and a parent is asked to attend the interview if they would like. Stop promoting falsehoods Ricky.
@@martinandersen9810 You are lying again. protectldschildren.org/ And who in hell is Ricky?
@Jim Caponzi Gee, I never though of that. LOL He was calling me Ricky a month or so ago too.
@Jim Caponzi You probably read those questions in the links I sent Tyndale25. The first one "Do you masturbate" doesn't sound anything like what he said kids are asked "Are you morally clean" does it? So that makes him a liar once again.
"You got kids in there" ....it's church history? I don't understand how a child can be old enough to be baptized, to commit to be a member of the church, yet not old enough to know how the church started?
I noticed that too and found it laughable. It's a full admission that the church is wrong. If they need to hide the truth of the church from kids, then alarm bells should go off in their heads. Something's wrong with that picture. Heck, other religious topics are taught, like Abe agreeing to slaughter his kid because a voice in his head told him to! That's somehow a great story kids are taught to admire, but we can't mention more recent and better documented history?
I love how he says that and bishops are known for sexually harassing children. That guy deserves to burn
“We got kids in there” we can’t let them here the truth about JS.
I think the biggest proof to me that this guy was raised Mormon was the language he used. It's kind of hard to explain but every cult has a certain way they talk during their testimony that has all the key words.
Its Also their tone of voice and pattern of speaking.
Yeah, I hate Cults too ... like Catholicism and Islam.
@@matthewbabernathy The more I learn about cults the more I start to feel like all religion is a cult...
I grew up Christian, I was always taught that going to church was good, and not going was bad, there was even a time when I stopped going and I got personally invited by the pastor to go back. I did, and I felt like an outcast there, people didn't want to talk to me, and then the pastor took me to his office and talked to me about what was going on in my faith... I couldn't tell him I didn't believe at all any more because then my parents would find out and then I would for sure be kicked out of the house, so I just told him that my job was getting in the way. That's when I realized just how bad religion could be for people, how much it was like what I thought a cult to be...
@@konrione5349 Yes, Kon, you are not alone. I had to "play the part" in my family until I got old enough to move out onto my own. I really quit believing ... Get this ... After I started to really study the Bible to know Jesus better. BELIEVE THAT? Well, I did a lot of reading/s into the Early Church, and I was DISGUSTED with what I found. No one told me many of the details about early Judea, Rome occupation, countless Messiahs, etc. Also, once I read the Gospels in this order -- Mark, Mathew, Luke, and John. Wow, that broke me from believing it was eye-witnesses, because Jesus goes from being a normal man and turns into a God. So, that changed my veiwpoints.
@@matthewbabernathy and the blasphemous cult of Ellen G. White( seventh-day adventism).
And this is exactly why whenever someone says that I should return to the LDS church, I reply "It's not for me. There's no place for me." Rinse and repeat.
huge praise for the guts to go up there and say those things. I'm sure a few minds were changed that day.
“Dont talk about polygamy in front of my 9 year old daughter” - only 5 more years and she’s old enough to be one of Joseph’s wives!
Love how they don’t want to talk about polygamy in the founding of the church but happy to talk about sex and chastity in their babtismal interview when they are 8!
EXACTLY !!!
The man was a turd,pig,idiot,liar,rude,and I could go on. His arguments were all arguments of the past, which no knows all the truth and polygamy is still practiced to day yet he won't stand up in a Muslim church, they would not tell him to sit down they would take him outside and take his head off. The book of Mormon is still true, and it was a total miracle from God how it came to pass. Unless you know how it came to be, know one on planet earth has given a plausible answer. Let's hear it coward's
@@bobhappy991yeah dude fuck islam too, and baptism, and all christianity, and hinduism, and judaism, and what else do you want me to name. Also yall mormons never say anything with teeth, only baby wristed schoolyard insults. Rude, turd liar. You want to say, but feel you can't, "asshole" "piece of shit".
CULT.
Dang, things played out exactly as I guessed they would from the opening context.
The Bishop: "Let's ask a non-believer to give their testimony!"
Also the Bishop: "How dare you give testimony about your non-belief! 🤡"
They were hoping he would get the burning in the bosom while he was up at the podium and mistake it for my message for God that he should rejoin the church I still can't believe that burning in the bosom is official church doctrine and it's one of the primary examples of how the church emotionally blackmails you
This man was NOT perceived by the Bishop as a non-believer, only as an inactive MEMBER!
Get your lies right.
@@chischilisnez7811 Eh, indeed get them straight yo. A member could be a non-believer just the same.🤡
@@professorpalkas4007 sure. But honest people would tell the bishop when being invited to the pulpit that they don’t believe. Only a jackass would use a literal church pulpit as his personal bully pulpit
A lot of them seem to actually be listening (as opposed to playing with their phone or being absent-minded), they knew something was up.
The only time they listen lol!
Their Services are as Godly as a series of Rootcanals, minus Marcaine,Xylocaine and post op painkillers
You had me at J. Rueben Clark.
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Bishop must have been puckered up tighter than a snare drum
His apology is clearly fake since he's posting this.
everyone looks so miserable like they don't want to be there
That's because all of them have their undergarments riding up on them...
The whole scene gave me the creeps from the days I was forced to go as a child and teenager. Nothing Christlike about it.
More than likely they don't want to be. They feel like they have to be though since in their eyes it's "the truth..."
That’s because they are missing out on the buffet line at the Golden Corral.
"Don't talk about Joseph Smiths behavior. I got kids here."
Family Values just like Trumps
@@bobapbob5812 Yes, that is a good high profile example of a dysfunctional crime family, with Narcissists, but also Sociopaths (Donald trump sr and Donald trump junior).
@@jeanine219 I can't sleep at night knowing there's a video of Bidens son engaging with a c h i l d pro s t i tu1e and it's censored each time we post it.
@@jeanine219 Have you not been watching the news? EVERYONE is a pathological narcissistic sociopath.
If we can riot in the streets and attack police officers and rob people's small businesses and get away with it even on a judicial level, that's giving permission to people to behave like wild animals.
There's no longer debate anymore.... it's "I'm going to attack you, destroy you, and ruin your life for not agreeing with my point of view." Entire cities are filled with homeless people without work and strung out on drugs in tent cities due to this kind of sociopathy within our own leadership.
A country's moral structure can only be as sound and sane as it's leadership, but if that leadership wishes to overthrow the very way of life within a country, that's domestic terrorism. Homeland Security is on an awfully long coffee break, I must say.
You attack Trump (perhaps well deserved) but let slide by that everything he was accused of The Democrat Party has been doing. If you're going to have a biased point of view you're dead in the water.
THE WHOLE OF THE LEADERSHIP HAS BEEN CORRUPTED BY PEOPLE WHO NO LONGER LOVE THEIR OWN COUNTRY, AND WHAT IT STOOD FOR.... freedom, sovereignty, and the right to earn a decent living. I hate to break it to you.... but it was The Democrats who ran this country into the ground, and I don't like either party. But let's give the credit where the credit is due, eh?
Homo Sapiens are a barbaric, selfish, destructive species, with few exceptions.... even in so called civilized societies. Just look at how horrifically we treat animals and the earth.
“my daughter is 9 years old” wow so in 5 years she is at an age fine to be married off in a harem but 9 years old is too young to know the fact.
Mormons follow the local laws. In Utah you have to be at least 16 years old to get married with parental or guardian consent. Once you are 18 you can get married without getting that consent. This is just an FYI to let you know.
Good to hear. It is still a wicked religion. I even dare to call them blasphemers
Wow, you boiled that down to the Most essential point. 🎯
Some of us haven't read about it. Didn't hear it in primary, didn't hear it in seminary, barely heard it in Sunday school. Didn't know it when I made temple covenants and married an LDS man. And my parents were converts and didn't know it either. Thanks a lot for that.
The Mormons don't tell you what happens in the temple because you probably wouldn't go through it.
@@truthdectector4002 Sure, that's why we do a temple prep class for weeks before and why the temple ceremony explains the promises you will make before you even do so you can withdraw. In all honestly, the temple ceremony is pretty innocuous.
@@macadameane it was the weirdest experience I’ve ever gone through and wished I hadn’t! There wasn’t any spiritual feeling when going through it. It felt cultish to me…sorry! And the temple classes were not specific whatsoever!
The guy that approached him at the end was way outta line.
"These kids don't need to know this stuff" You mean the Truth?
dread nes It’s all fairytales.
The father using his children as a shield is disgusting. "I don't teach my kids the truth. I teach them about bunnies and sunshine and rainbows" . They should invent a church for these people call it "Happy fluffy fun time church"
This man did what I was afraid to do. I silently slipped away and got so much backlash for it. Members coming to my house yelling and crying at me. Family members that will never treat me the same or talk to me. It's hard to watch your community turn against you. But damn freedom feels so much better.
Love all these "Godly" people in the comments calling this man a piece of sh*t... lmao. The hypocrisy is STRONG in this cult.
Stay safe all you exmo people. 🖤
I’ve lived in UT for 14 years as a Christian, there are many loving people here for anyone to have a great community with that are brave enough to leave the LDS church and place God’s loving word ahead of Joesph’s teachings.
We cheer you all on in your Journey!
72 years member. So sad about disingenuous butt holes around you. Only one of my 7 kids “active”
NEVER AND DRAMA about this. Sounds contrived.? Again I’ve NEVER HEARD of ANY backlash whatsoever. I don’t “hang” with the ungodly.
What this “man” did was silly and childish.
@markcavandish1295 What is silly or childish about respectfully speaking to your community about information discovered? The way this bishop responded was silly and childish.
@@olwhatzhirname because that’s not what the congregation is there for brainiac.
It would be like me showing up to a comedy club expecting a lecture on feminine hygiene.
Totally disrespectful
That took some courage.
Holy shit, for someone who grew up mormon, that might be the bravest thing a person could possibly do. Kudos
I grew up in the church too. I can’t post a picture on Facebook of me holding a beer, let alone doing what that guy did. I felt very proud watching this video!!
Bravest ? You calling Corrihor brave or Ghidianton ? Dummest - yes.
Kudos for being disrespectful?
@@supercool9180 Totally!! Takes some serious guts to do what he did, although I’m not complaining ;))
@@supercool9180 thanks I've been practicing
So they are cool with adults knowing about JS's wives but hide it from kids??? That's telling. This was kinda creepy to watch after being out of the church for so long.
The Missionaries told me all about the Founders of the Church having polygamous Marriages that some were temporal and some were solely spiritual, when I was thirteen by myself in 1994. They told me the Truth even though I told them I would talk to my Dad about his Thoughts on the Matter. o-o;;;
The Church never let me near an open mic. I asked too many nosy questions.
Good
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Honestly, you should've walked out of the building the moment you stepped down from the pulpit. You know damn well they're going to do damage control and invalidate everything you said the moment you stop talking. Instead, you stayed and allowed yourself to get verbally beaten up by the Bishop. While I'm proud of you for having the cajones to stand up for what you believe in, I do not agree with the way you handled things afterward. You said most of what you needed to say. So, just leave! Walk out of that building and don't look back! No one's going to follow you out and talk to you.
You got some balls bro good for you.Its things like this that mail me farther and farther from religon when im just getting close.
Man. That was ballsy to go up there. But to stick around afterwards, and actually make conversation with the bishop too? You’re too manly for this world.
Run, run away from this kind of people. Don't entertain evil.
Amen to that!!!
As an ex-JW, I can recognize the tension in the room. This required more bravery than most could ever imagine. Well done. Good job and thank you.
Bravery? No, this is the act of a coward.
@@jestubbs69 Is he not speaking his truth? Why do you believe he is a coward?
@@porgguy4962 who asked him to speak his truth to that ward? The idea of giving a talk or bearing testimony is to share the gospel. It’s not personal effing story hour.
@@thebigmac01 Say "Fuck" not effing, cult member.
@@porgguy4962 By that logic I should be able to go to the mic and tell the congregation how fulfilling it is to squeeze cheeks
I think it's really beautiful how polite this guy is. It demonstrates that he's not necessarily trying to tear anything down or make anything worse, just rather to be open and honest about an experience that a lot of those attending probably lacked.
Shhhh shhh shhh everything is fine go back to sleep.
you are talking gibberish again.
You know exactly what he was trying to do he was trying to tear down our beliefs and get other members of the congregation to lean towards his views against what our principles are in the gospel. And those in the congregation didn't like anything they know the true fullness of the gospel and they hear it and that wasn't it
Yeah what Scott said. He was a wolf in sheep's clothing. He was not the victim here, he was the instigator.
Explain how a single thing he said was untrue. With sources and links or you are completely invalid.
So then you all disagree that if you have the truth then no amount of scrutiny will hurt it and it should be evaluated...sounds like you all are scared that under scrutiny the truth claims don't hold up. I could see myself doing something like this.
"I've got kids in there" - It's the kids who need to hear the truth.
The truth should come from the parents mouth not the church or anyone else. As a parent , you should read the King James version. Read it for yourselves and ask Jesus to open your heart and your mind to understand HIS true words. Bless all of you. In JESUS name. Amen. 🙏🦁🐑🕊🙏
@@hugopolito4879 how do you know that anything the bible says is the truth?
I only mentioned the King James version cause it comes close to the Tora ( Tanach). Wich in turn come from the original scrolls. I've read 3 different bibles. And yes they do change some words. But, they all come to the same point (conclusion). GOD , our Father. Jesus ,his son and our Lord and savior. And the Holy Spirit that guides us. Please don't get this the wrong way. But there will be NO excuse for ignorance of God's word. For we know what's right from wrong and God's laws are written in our hearts. Stay blessed. 🙏🦁🐑🕊🙏
@@hugopolito4879 You still haven't explained how you know it's the truth though.
@@danielmoore4024 The book of mormon is mostly fictional characters. Laman and Alma are only a couple of them. Get real.
"I've got kids in there" translates to "you're making my kids ask questions I can't answer and make me look bad."
Guy towards the end he kept clenching his jaw. Seemed pretty uncomfortable and defensive. Well good on you for being brave enough to voice your opinion. .
Damn, the guy in the front left looks PISSED lol
If their beloved prophet is inappropriate for children, what does that tell you?
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What Benjamin was saying was inappropiate not what our Prophet says
@@scottmccune8608 The truth is inappropriate for children? Joseph Smith and mormonism are indefensible.
Yeah, if Joseph Smith’s actions can’t be shared with children...or that the translations are wrong...I mean...maybe you should re-evaluate your religion.
@Hyperion No, they whitewash their history.
Another Mormon whose eyes have been opened.
I am not a Mormon, but I find it odd that that one guy seems offended that anyone would talk about polygamy in front of his children. Do those kids not read or study the Old Testament parts of the Bible? I guess they don't do Bible study there or the Bible study done with kids is extremely censored. I am Southern Baptist and I knew that stuff existed in the Bible when I was 6 years old! I knew the "wives" were very young, some children's ages, as well. I remember thinking in 2nd grade that I was thankful to live in modern times and be able to wait until I grew up to get married.
Took my name off the books a few years back and never looked back. My growth with God has actually gotten stronger since then.
Ask God if it's stronger for him when you finally meet.
The strongest relationship you can have with God is personal not structural. You can never know who god is until you know who you are without him. God will never hate you for loving him.
1st step is to believe in the WORD and the truth in it. "heaven and earth may pass away but my WORDs may never pass away" this one truth makes Joseph Smith the liar.
How dare he tell children the truth?!?!
“We might be cousins” and other things I’m not at all surprised to hear a mormon say to another mormon. 😂
It's stunning how nobody really got what he was saying and the gravity of it all . #brainwashed
Have you sat through Sacrament Meeting? I'm surprised I have any of my brain matter left after it melted out of my ears out of sheer boredom...
I admire this guy's bravery and honesty
“You can’t say things that are contrary”
Literally every person in history trying to control others.
That’s why people always call socialists evil and try to shut them down before they have a chance to express their opinions. Rich people are desperate to make people believe “socialism is when the government does stuff” and hope people assume the government wouldn’t behave differently under the control of the working class. Lol
Welcome to the NWO. "He who does not know the truth is just a fool, but he who knows it, and calls it a lie is a criminal!" _ Bertolt Brecht. The criminals controlling this Brave New World are the foremost propagandists, and are very adept at banning/erasing/outlawing the truth. They only make laws/policy/regulation(s)/standard(s) based on lies.
The guy afterwards saying "we got kids in here" lmao. As if he got on stage and performed a striptease 😂 Nah he's just worried dude's testimony might interfer with their indoctrination.
Uh, yeah ... He is worried about him indoctrinating kids... it's not that guys place to indoctrinate kids on contradictory things that their parents don't want them to dwell on. That's the whole point of why he told him to leave the stand. Sacrament meeting and testimony meeting is held to lift others and bring hope to others. It's not a place of debate or confrontational topics.
Yes, his views and understandings should be heard, listened to, and taken seriously because everything he said was valid, but sheesh, not at the freaking pulpit 🤦♂️😅
Lol so internet school, social life dont interfer with, right?
@@lalzgarra9493 Don't interfere with what?
As a LDS member, I appreciate your testimony and wanting to even stand up to talk. I am active and I am one that many leaving, left, or not living 100% the way the Church would like, are friends with.
I love hearing things like this to research further and look into. I was not raised in the church at all. I have studied many religions. I think a true son/daughter of God should be opened to all communications that’s held respectfully.
I have some more research to do now 😂
You do realize that they believe there were many gods and that you will become a god one day? Also Joseph smith was a Freemason. That’s just the tip of the iceberg
Great! I hope you can ask those you know that are leaving why they leave. I wish you the best in your journey.
So it's not cool to teach kids the truth about the Church but it's ok for the Bishop to take children behind closed doors to ask them if they Materbait
They ask em that at age 12
@@poshmalosh14 I met with the bishop of my congregation a few times from age 12-18 for casual "How are you doing? Can I help you in any way?" type meetings. Very innocent and I felt comfortable with him. He never asked me questions about masturbating or anything like that. It's really really sad that some bishops ask those questions, but I'd say that the majority of people who grew up in the church did not have that experience. Just letting you know :)
My Bishop years and years ago asked me about masturbation alone in his closed door office. Heck I didn’t even know what he was talking about. He had to tell me what it was! LOL.
This was back in the good old days and the Bishop was always right! Masturbation was just super, duper awful, AWFUL!!! Tie your hands to the bed some GA said. A wise sage that he was! 😉
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"I'll teach my kids about Joseph Smith when I want to." aka "I'll teach my kids about the real Joseph Smith AFTER they are fully indoctrinated and feel like they have no other choice but to believe what I believe."
Yup and you know they will also teach their kids all the apologetics behind why Joseph practiced polygamy too. So then their kids will rationalize it in their heads as if it was never wrong.
EITHER YOU'RE RIGHT OR WE'RE RIGHT." = " E.Y.R.O.W.R." 👀 " EYE ROLLER/ EYE ROWER" 😂
No Joseph Smith claims that God missed some things in the original Bible when God doesn't need to add another testament when Jesus said everything that needed to be saved. He's God, he's not going to forget something. That's like saying Joseph Smith is smarter than God. Repent for your sins.
@@TheJordan2698 ,
The sign in front of the house read, "Mormon puppies for sale."
A week later the word, "Mormon" was crossed out.
Why?
The puppies had opened their eyes.
Everyone always has a choice. My parents raised me in the church and when I was 15 I defied all my parents beliefs,, including lds beliefs,, actually all religious beliefs. I literally felt religion had no place in my life. I never had read the bom either. Then after 10 years decided to find out once and for all if the book is true because the LDS church is founded on that one single book... and IT IS. This I found out for certain. So it doesn't matter what history records about J. Smith. He was and is who he claimed because the book is true. It was prophesied that his name would be had for good and bad all over the world and so it is. Each person is challenged to find out if that one book is true or not through sincere prayer. If you sincerely want to know,, it will be revealed to you by the power of the Holy Ghost. I doubt you will ever take that challenge as many don't want to know the truth,, many can't handle the truth. With knowledge comes greater responsibility that many shy away from.
I remember being forced to go to mormon church as a child, even then i could see the signs. The shame people are put through is horrible..
Llorón!!!
The kid absolutely knocked out sleeping in the front row is everything 😂