Yeah man. I'm looking to get some small LCDs and make these MFDs work for real. A few people have done it. Super cool. Flight controls are awesome. Virpil collective looks cool.
@@SnakPakFlight I own the Virpil VPC Rotor TCS Plus Base along with the SharKa-50 grip and yes, it is very _VERY_ nice! I also own a Pro Flight Trainer Puma and it looks and feels like a 'toy' compared to my current setup which consists of the aforementioned collective, VKB Gunfighter joystick w/200mm extension, and Thrustmaster TPR pedals. FWIW - The Pro Flight Trainer Puma will be up for sale in the near future - that's what I think about the Puma Vs. my current (helicopter) setup! ;-)
LOL Congratulation on the New Gear. As good as you are I can't help but to feel and say It's about time you got some New Gear and if it was Free Thank You Thrustmaster He's worth it. lol
Thank you for your teaching. Why does the 407 has 2 torque trim balls? One in the attitude instrument and the other in the instrumente iver the fuel pump button. Sorry for my inaccuracy.
Hello . I've had msfs20 for 2 years and I would like to do the Helico but I encounter a problem with Throttle with Thrustmaster hotas Warthog, when I increase the throttle the RPM of the rotor decreases.
Not sure which helicopter you're flying, but this is a natural phenomenon if you apply too much torque. The engine can't keep up with the amount of rotor blade pitch you are demanding from the collective. If that happens, your rotor will droop because of the increased drag on the rotor system. Keep in mind that you need enough engine to support the lift you want from the rotor system. Since drag is a byproduct of lift, every engine will have a limit somewhere. Of course, it could be that you just need to reverse the axis on your collective input. When you increase collective just a little bit, does the helicopter take off? Does the rotor immediately drop? If that's the case, you may have the hotas coupled to throttle AND collective. These are two different things. Most helicopters have an automatic throttle gizmo of some sort, so you shouldn't even need to have any control inputs coupled to it to be able to do normal flying. If you want to be able to manually control the throttle, say for runups or simulated engine outs, then use a different axis.
@SnakPakFlight 'Hello and thank you for your reply. I fly on the Bell 222B cowansim, The problem was indeed a gas and collective coupling. Now it's much better.
Thanks for the lessons on the MSFS Bell 407! Really helps me getting better, but still need a lot of practice. Was thinking about getting a new throttle cause the sliding motion of my Thrustmaster TWCS is not very accurate and kind of awkward. Would you recommend the Thrustmaster Warthog Throttle as a collective?
You need a Microsoft sidewinder 2 force feedback. Is a old flight stick, but it have force feedback engine that can simulate perfectly the force trim tool. Those sitcks with centering spring are not good to fly helicopters in simulators
@@SnakPakFlight the warthog is a great flight stick... to fly "fly by wire" aircrafts, but if you want a good joystick to simulate force trim helicopters (or even older jets like the flankers, mig 29 and Harriers), the warthog is not very good, because the centering force is a spring, even a 20+ years old joystick like the sidewinder 2 because of the force feedback can be better than the warthog to fly helos, force feedback is a game changer to fly helicopters becouse it can properly simulate the force trim. Just for the case that you don't know force feedback, is basically a electric engine in the stick that simulate the force trim effect, allowing you to trim your helicopter with realism and precision. It's just a tip tho, if you're happy with the warthog I'm happy too and thrustmaster either lol
@@Joshua-by4dc Lol, I am very familiar with force feedback. I've got over 1000 hours in a black hawk with a 4-axis trim system. I guess doing it in real life is enough for me, so when I sim, the warthog does what I need it to!
Nice video! Thanks for all the tips. Have you tried the new 206? It's amazing. The 407 is very nice as well, once you get it tamed. Do you ever fly formation flights
Gonna be doing a video on this soon. I'm currently upgrading some things. Thrustmaster sent me a bunch of awesome stuff so have to redesign my sim pit.
Hi from a fellow former army helicopter pilot. I'm looking around to see if anybody else has figured out how to implement force trim in helos. I guess not. I think the current implementation of hilos is pretty great, but the lack of force trim is a HUGE shortcoming! Fingers crossed asobo adds this soon. 🤞
The problem I see with it is that you can hold down a button near your thumb and move your joystick, then let go to simulate force trim. But I'm pretty sure most if not all joysticks spring back to center so what happens after you let go of the joystick? Seems like it would be "pushing against the trim" of the simulator.
Lmao! Even in a UH60L without autopilot, we could get it trimmed up pretty well. A lot of the time when flying at higher altitudes (like when IFR), we would use friction on the collective to set our desired power setting (prior to takeoff, you can calculate how much torque you will need to maintain a particular altitude and airspeed using performance charts in an aircraft's operators manual). Then we would set the cyclic trim to zero out vertical speed and give us the correct pitch setting for the desired airspeed. After that, you could basically let go. I never completely remove my hands from the flight control area. Always guarding. But you could, in fact, get it trimmed up and have a stroke and it would continue to fly until it ran out of gas.
I have the HOTAS X56, don't have the pedals though. battling to setup all the buttons to actually work with things. if you ever get it right, please mail me your setup so that I can copy.
Omg. It's WHIRLYBIRDS, not helichoppers 😭😭 Source: me, a real WHIRLYBIRD flier 😵💫 If you don't start calling them by their correct name, something bad could happen 😐
Funny enough, when I lived in Germany, I learned that the German word for Helicopter is "Hubschrauber." Schrauber means "screwdriver" so I'm not quite sure how the rest of the word developed...
@@thecrazybird I trained on Oahu. Which is probably the most helicopter-dense part of the entire USA. But also there are paragliders all over the place. I watch Tucker Gott etc but it always astounds me how they are allowed to fly without at least using radio to communicate with local traffic.
Yes! They NEED to add force trim capabilities
Great video. How did you set up trim controls in msfs. Thanks alot.
Damn, Thrustmaster hooked you up. Virpil makes a UH-60 collective if you want to reach out to them
Yeah man. I'm looking to get some small LCDs and make these MFDs work for real. A few people have done it. Super cool. Flight controls are awesome. Virpil collective looks cool.
@@SnakPakFlight Yeah
@@SnakPakFlight I own the Virpil VPC Rotor TCS Plus Base along with the SharKa-50 grip and yes, it is very _VERY_ nice! I also own a Pro Flight Trainer Puma and it looks and feels like a 'toy' compared to my current setup which consists of the aforementioned collective, VKB Gunfighter joystick w/200mm extension, and Thrustmaster TPR pedals. FWIW - The Pro Flight Trainer Puma will be up for sale in the near future - that's what I think about the Puma Vs. my current (helicopter) setup! ;-)
LOL Congratulation on the New Gear. As good as you are I can't help but to feel and say It's about time you got some New Gear and if it was Free Thank You Thrustmaster He's worth it. lol
Thank you for your teaching. Why does the 407 has 2 torque trim balls? One in the attitude instrument and the other in the instrumente iver the fuel pump button. Sorry for my inaccuracy.
Excellent video! It would be great if you make a video of how you set up your controls (I have the same ones too and they are great)
You should fly around Rucker, see if any of it looks familiar!
I also just wanna see what I'm in for before I get there this coming May 👀
Yes, that's all good...but what's the setting you are adjusting ?
Just have to bind your rotor trim to the hat switch on your joystick
@@SnakPakFlight Ok, thx !
Hello . I've had msfs20 for 2 years and I would like to do the Helico but I encounter a problem with Throttle with Thrustmaster hotas Warthog, when I increase the throttle the RPM of the rotor decreases.
Not sure which helicopter you're flying, but this is a natural phenomenon if you apply too much torque. The engine can't keep up with the amount of rotor blade pitch you are demanding from the collective. If that happens, your rotor will droop because of the increased drag on the rotor system. Keep in mind that you need enough engine to support the lift you want from the rotor system. Since drag is a byproduct of lift, every engine will have a limit somewhere.
Of course, it could be that you just need to reverse the axis on your collective input. When you increase collective just a little bit, does the helicopter take off? Does the rotor immediately drop? If that's the case, you may have the hotas coupled to throttle AND collective. These are two different things. Most helicopters have an automatic throttle gizmo of some sort, so you shouldn't even need to have any control inputs coupled to it to be able to do normal flying. If you want to be able to manually control the throttle, say for runups or simulated engine outs, then use a different axis.
@SnakPakFlight 'Hello and thank you for your reply. I fly on the Bell 222B cowansim, The problem was indeed a gas and collective coupling. Now it's much better.
@@piccolizei Sweet! Glad it's working! Happy flying!
Thanks for the lessons on the MSFS Bell 407! Really helps me getting better, but still need a lot of practice. Was thinking about getting a new throttle cause the sliding motion of my Thrustmaster TWCS is not very accurate and kind of awkward. Would you recommend the Thrustmaster Warthog Throttle as a collective?
You need a Microsoft sidewinder 2 force feedback. Is a old flight stick, but it have force feedback engine that can simulate perfectly the force trim tool. Those sitcks with centering spring are not good to fly helicopters in simulators
Nah. Thrustmaster sent me their hotas warthog. Love it.
@@SnakPakFlight the warthog is a great flight stick... to fly "fly by wire" aircrafts, but if you want a good joystick to simulate force trim helicopters (or even older jets like the flankers, mig 29 and Harriers), the warthog is not very good, because the centering force is a spring, even a 20+ years old joystick like the sidewinder 2 because of the force feedback can be better than the warthog to fly helos, force feedback is a game changer to fly helicopters becouse it can properly simulate the force trim. Just for the case that you don't know force feedback, is basically a electric engine in the stick that simulate the force trim effect, allowing you to trim your helicopter with realism and precision.
It's just a tip tho, if you're happy with the warthog I'm happy too and thrustmaster either lol
@@Joshua-by4dc Lol, I am very familiar with force feedback. I've got over 1000 hours in a black hawk with a 4-axis trim system. I guess doing it in real life is enough for me, so when I sim, the warthog does what I need it to!
Hey, awesome videos! Do you fly any of the payware helis or just the free in game ones? Have any recommendations?
Only one I bought was the H145. Very impressive. It was my trainer heli IRL and it's very comparable.
Nice video! Thanks for all the tips. Have you tried the new 206? It's amazing. The 407 is very nice as well, once you get it tamed. Do you ever fly formation flights
Hey Cpt. Snak , what kind of gear do you use for controls? stick/thrust levers/rudders? ty
Gonna be doing a video on this soon. I'm currently upgrading some things. Thrustmaster sent me a bunch of awesome stuff so have to redesign my sim pit.
Hi from a fellow former army helicopter pilot. I'm looking around to see if anybody else has figured out how to implement force trim in helos. I guess not. I think the current implementation of hilos is pretty great, but the lack of force trim is a HUGE shortcoming! Fingers crossed asobo adds this soon. 🤞
The problem I see with it is that you can hold down a button near your thumb and move your joystick, then let go to simulate force trim. But I'm pretty sure most if not all joysticks spring back to center so what happens after you let go of the joystick? Seems like it would be "pushing against the trim" of the simulator.
@@SnakPakFlight there's definitely a solution. It's been done before.
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@@SnakPakFlight check him out:
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@@SnakPakFlight and also this if you have a 3D printer, couldnt find it before:
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@@SnakPakFlight and also get in contact with VKB controllers to get their T-Rudders pedals for test.
As a relatively inexperienced pilot this gave me palpitations. Letting go of the cyclic is pure life-ending in my tiny brain's imagination.
Lmao! Even in a UH60L without autopilot, we could get it trimmed up pretty well. A lot of the time when flying at higher altitudes (like when IFR), we would use friction on the collective to set our desired power setting (prior to takeoff, you can calculate how much torque you will need to maintain a particular altitude and airspeed using performance charts in an aircraft's operators manual). Then we would set the cyclic trim to zero out vertical speed and give us the correct pitch setting for the desired airspeed. After that, you could basically let go. I never completely remove my hands from the flight control area. Always guarding. But you could, in fact, get it trimmed up and have a stroke and it would continue to fly until it ran out of gas.
@@SnakPakFlight That is mindbending and reassuring at the same time. I wish I'd been able to graduate to more sophisticated machines.
Force trim is not implemented yet :(
What do you think about the feel of the Bell?
Feels okay. Never flown one IRL so I wouldn't know. I'm rated on H145 and S70
I have the HOTAS X56, don't have the pedals though. battling to setup all the buttons to actually work with things. if you ever get it right, please mail me your setup so that I can copy.
How do you do this helicopter trimming?
what key bind ?
How do u reset the trim?
I always spend half of my flight trimming my helicopter.
Don't start with "what's up everybody", it's not 2009.
@@barthvapour Thanks for the input! I’ll be sure to reference this when I want to lose 8k subs and have just 14.
Omg. It's WHIRLYBIRDS, not helichoppers 😭😭
Source: me, a real WHIRLYBIRD flier 😵💫
If you don't start calling them by their correct name, something bad could happen 😐
Nah whirlybird is old news, welcome to the new age of helichoppers!
I think the paragliders/paramotor flyers call them "sky blenders"
Funny enough, when I lived in Germany, I learned that the German word for Helicopter is "Hubschrauber." Schrauber means "screwdriver" so I'm not quite sure how the rest of the word developed...
@@peetiegonzalez1845 "sky blenders" Yeah. That and "oh, fuck!" is another common term ;-)
@@thecrazybird I trained on Oahu. Which is probably the most helicopter-dense part of the entire USA. But also there are paragliders all over the place. I watch Tucker Gott etc but it always astounds me how they are allowed to fly without at least using radio to communicate with local traffic.