I think good inking is what’s missing in certain modern comics. At a con someone told me the colourist is the new inker, and it’s why I have a tough time liking more modern artist. A good inker can shine through on any pencils, Tom Palmer, Bill sienkiewicz and Klaus Janson are great examples, however there is many many more.
Yes, I forgot about that! Like how the color kind of ruined Superman Year One for me, even though JRJR is as good as ever. It Just didn't feel like the Daredevil miniseries.
The difference of old and new inking is that old inkers weren’t ‘inkers’… they were ‘Artists’ who were most of the time doing actual drawing/finishing the art they were ‘inking’. Maybe the biggest secret in comics is that Scott Williams was a published artist at Marvel before he started inking Jim Lee. Scott has a few books and covers at Marvel where he transformed fairly bad artists into Jim Lee look a-likes. Which is amazing it’s not talked about more….Jim Lee essentially had artistic steroids with Scott Williams. Jim has even admitted that Scott was doing some of the drawing on Uncanny. There are some competent inkers in modern comics but what inkers can make an ‘average’ artist look like the Best art in the industry besides an inker that can actually draw exceptionally like Scott Williams and Kevin Nowlan.
@@retrosuperheroart2202 Dan Green not so much. There’s a reason why Jim Lee and Marc Silvestri abandoned Dan Green (and avoided other older inkers like Tom Palmer and Al Milgrom) Instead of Dan Green I would insert Bob Wiacek. Who maybe is a very mysterious inker to the general public, he’s the only inker I’ve seen that has inked Everyone. Jim Lee, Mignola, McFarlane, Art Adams. Thinking about how different those specific artists are anyone that can ink them all correctly has to be fairly exceptional. (If you wanted to do an exploratory video on ‘Who is Bob Wiacek?’ that would be interesting, I believe 99% of people have no idea who he is (even I only have a surface knowledge) but he’s inked some very iconic comic images)
@@ValisX Wow, yeah I wasn't really into inkers back in the day. It's only later that I kind of pieced together how they add their own flair. Good idea for a deep dive. Thanks!
I really like your art and your videos! Jim Lee is my all time favorite artist! X-Men by Chris Claremont & Jim Lee Omnibus just might be my favorite book.
@@BrandonHernandez-jkp9999 Not sure about the 90s. Probably just a pencil to give to Todd McFarlane for inking (on Spawn). I'm 99% Photoshop 1% Clip Studio Paint hehe
That was a very interesting analysis on Scott Williams inking style. Personally the process of inking is quite a challenge like for me. I feel a lot more safer, using like digital linking as opposed to traditional because you can go back and redo it. Although, I do remember watching this one video that did an analysis of Rob Liefeld and that when this one Page that he did was shown, it said it was like done with ballpoint pen as well, and didn’t he use that sort of pen for inking?
Ballpoint! lol Gotta love Liefeld, breaking all the rules ;-) I saw the original McFarlane Spider-Man 300 cover once in an expo and it had a lot of whiteout. The old command-Z of way back. But it makes the surface uneven and the line on top is even harder to nail then. For me I probably won't go back unless it's for effect or fun. Kind of like how we don't use the old typewriters anymore.
Hah! Funny that I was going to comment on the ends of the lines when drawing in Photoshop in the Silvestri/Lee video, but then as I hit the "comment" button I lost my Internet connection, and my message went to the limbo! So as I retyped that I decided to ommit that part! xD But anyways, another program that I find very good to do the inking is Fire Alpaca. It's a quite simple and small program, but it does the job and best of all, it's free!
Scott Williams knows how to balance more precise lines with more organic ones. So it doesn't look too technical, compared to Art Thibert. As former Wildstorm inker Richard Friend mentioned in one of his TH-cam videos, Scott Williams aims to give the lines more bounce, like the work of Bill Watterson (Calvin & Hobbes)
Ever think about how all the musculature in the tights in the Image House Style applies to the real world? Like is it a skin tight suit and the muscles are bulging through? Or would the suits be more like having artificially sculpted muscles built in like on The Boys show?
Yeah, even those speed ice skating "Spider-Man" suits don't look even remotely like that Marvel crosshatching. lol But it looks cool in the comics right.
Get Justice League Unwrapped for Jim Lee's pencils with no inks or color, and then get the Justice League New 52 Origin graphic novel to compare Jim's pencils to Scott's Inks.
This channel is awesome!
Thank you!
Great breakdown, awesome callbacks
Thank you! This was our golden age ;-)
Both look awesome Retro! Excellent job!😃
Thank you! On to a couple of 80s artists after this ;-)
You are welcome Retro! I am looking forward to seeing who these 80's artists are. 😃
I think good inking is what’s missing in certain modern comics. At a con someone told me the colourist is the new inker, and it’s why I have a tough time liking more modern artist. A good inker can shine through on any pencils, Tom Palmer, Bill sienkiewicz and Klaus Janson are great examples, however there is many many more.
Yes, I forgot about that! Like how the color kind of ruined Superman Year One for me, even though JRJR is as good as ever. It Just didn't feel like the Daredevil miniseries.
The difference of old and new inking is that old inkers weren’t ‘inkers’… they were ‘Artists’ who were most of the time doing actual drawing/finishing the art they were ‘inking’. Maybe the biggest secret in comics is that Scott Williams was a published artist at Marvel before he started inking Jim Lee. Scott has a few books and covers at Marvel where he transformed fairly bad artists into Jim Lee look a-likes. Which is amazing it’s not talked about more….Jim Lee essentially had artistic steroids with Scott Williams. Jim has even admitted that Scott was doing some of the drawing on Uncanny.
There are some competent inkers in modern comics but what inkers can make an ‘average’ artist look like the Best art in the industry besides an inker that can actually draw exceptionally like Scott Williams and Kevin Nowlan.
@@ValisX wow very true, and Dan Green of course
@@retrosuperheroart2202 Dan Green not so much. There’s a reason why Jim Lee and Marc Silvestri abandoned Dan Green (and avoided other older inkers like Tom Palmer and Al Milgrom)
Instead of Dan Green I would insert Bob Wiacek. Who maybe is a very mysterious inker to the general public, he’s the only inker I’ve seen that has inked Everyone. Jim Lee, Mignola, McFarlane, Art Adams. Thinking about how different those specific artists are anyone that can ink them all correctly has to be fairly exceptional.
(If you wanted to do an exploratory video on ‘Who is Bob Wiacek?’ that would be interesting, I believe 99% of people have no idea who he is (even I only have a surface knowledge) but he’s inked some very iconic comic images)
@@ValisX Wow, yeah I wasn't really into inkers back in the day. It's only later that I kind of pieced together how they add their own flair. Good idea for a deep dive. Thanks!
great class!! thank you
My pleasure!
Love the kiwi naming convention 🙂
hehe ;-)
Yeah that's my name for it now, haha
Ome of my favorite videos yet!
Wow, thanks!
Incredible I love it Jim lee is the 🐐 in comic book artist looking forward next video I am new subscribers keep it up sir
Thank you! He is indeed.
Your welcome sir anytime take care
I really like your art and your videos!
Jim Lee is my all time favorite artist! X-Men by Chris Claremont & Jim Lee Omnibus just might be my favorite book.
The dream team!
@@retrosuperheroart2202 Yes sir!
I really like your content bro keep it up 👍🏽
Thanks, will do!
Please make "Draw like Greg Capullo". The art of Dark Nights Death Metal is freaking awesome.
I made a Grep Capullo video last year, part of the 100 artist challenge. Please have a look 👍
Sorry. What materials does he use when he draws?
@@BrandonHernandez-jkp9999 Not sure about the 90s. Probably just a pencil to give to Todd McFarlane for inking (on Spawn). I'm 99% Photoshop 1% Clip Studio Paint hehe
That was a very interesting analysis on Scott Williams inking style. Personally the process of inking is quite a challenge like for me. I feel a lot more safer, using like digital linking as opposed to traditional because you can go back and redo it. Although, I do remember watching this one video that did an analysis of Rob Liefeld and that when this one Page that he did was shown, it said it was like done with ballpoint pen as well, and didn’t he use that sort of pen for inking?
Ballpoint! lol Gotta love Liefeld, breaking all the rules ;-) I saw the original McFarlane Spider-Man 300 cover once in an expo and it had a lot of whiteout. The old command-Z of way back. But it makes the surface uneven and the line on top is even harder to nail then. For me I probably won't go back unless it's for effect or fun. Kind of like how we don't use the old typewriters anymore.
Hah! Funny that I was going to comment on the ends of the lines when drawing in Photoshop in the Silvestri/Lee video, but then as I hit the "comment" button I lost my Internet connection, and my message went to the limbo! So as I retyped that I decided to ommit that part! xD
But anyways, another program that I find very good to do the inking is Fire Alpaca. It's a quite simple and small program, but it does the job and best of all, it's free!
Thanks for the tip! Yeah those balloon animal endings to the lines drive me nuts!
Scott Williams knows how to balance more precise lines with more organic ones. So it doesn't look too technical, compared to Art Thibert. As former Wildstorm inker Richard Friend mentioned in one of his TH-cam videos, Scott Williams aims to give the lines more bounce, like the work of Bill Watterson (Calvin & Hobbes)
Cool, I love that! Comic book artist mentioning The great Watterson.
Ever think about how all the musculature in the tights in the Image House Style applies to the real world? Like is it a skin tight suit and the muscles are bulging through? Or would the suits be more like having artificially sculpted muscles built in like on The Boys show?
Yeah, even those speed ice skating "Spider-Man" suits don't look even remotely like that Marvel crosshatching. lol But it looks cool in the comics right.
Have you seen X-Men 97???
Not yet actually. I never got into the cartoons. But I hear good things about it and see the Rogue memes ;-)
Get Justice League Unwrapped for Jim Lee's pencils with no inks or color, and then get the Justice League New 52 Origin graphic novel to compare Jim's pencils to Scott's Inks.
Cool! I have a reprint where they show just inks but yeah, that doesn't do the trick to find out what's under the inks. Thanks!