Bambu Lab X1 Carbon: 5 Things You Don't Know
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 พ.ค. 2024
- In this video, I share the second half of my review of the Bambu Lab X1 Carbon Combo and my final thoughts on this top-of-the-line product. Special thanks to Wham Bam for sponsoring this week's video. Be sure to check them out and their Flexible Build System at whambamsystems.com/.
Welcome back!
In last week's video, I shared my initial impressions of the Bambu Lab X1 Carbon Combo and the surprises I encountered. In this week's video, I will be concluding my review of this best in-class product and sharing why I agree with other creators that it is light years ahead of the competition.
ORDER YOUR BAMBU LAB PRODUCTS HERE (support the channel): jle.vi/bambulab
💬 JOIN MY DISCORD: jle.vi/tnl-discord
🎁 EXCLUSIVE CONTENT ON PATREON: / thenextlayer
🎥 IN THIS VIDEO: 🎥
00:00 Introduction
00:15 It Takes Forever to Get Going
01:53 It's Smart
04:42 The Filter Isn't What You Think
08:07 It's A Walled Garden
13:32 Conclusion
🛒 RECOMMENDED GEAR: 🛒
📍 Complete list of 3D Printing accessories: kit.co/jlevi/3d-printing
📍 Complete list of my videography gear: kit.co/jlevi/content-creation
📍 My favorite 3D printing filament: jle.vi/polymaker
📍 My favorite 3D printer right now: jle.vi/voronkits | jle.vi/bambu (supports 3D Print General, who’s channel was deleted)
📍 My favorite BUDGET 3D printer right now: jle.vi/sovol
📍 Check out the official TNL merch: shop.thenextlayer.com/
📍 PLEASE CONSIDER SUPPORTING THE CHANNEL BY SHOPPING USING MY LINKS! FULL LIST CAN BE FOUND AT: jle.vi/links
🗳 STL FILES OF FEATURED 3D PRINTING MODELS: 🗳
🗿 Bambu Lab X1C BentoBox Air Filter by thrutheframe on Printables: www.printables.com/model/2725...
🔗 OTHER LINKS 🔗
👉 Part 1 of my Bambu Lab X1-Carbon review: • Bambu Lab X1 Carbon: W...
👉 Bambu Lab's Evil Plan: • Bambu Labs Secret Plan...
👉 Does the Bambu Lab P1P Make Prusa MK3S+ OBSOLETE? • Will The Bambu Lab P1P...
❤️ LOVED THIS VIDEO? ❤️
▶️ Subscribe to the channel
▶️ Watch my other videos: / @thenextlayer
🔔 Turn on Notifications
🎁 Support me on Patreon: / thenextlayer
🎁 Send a “Super Thanks” (Tip)
🛒 Use my affiliate links for your 3D printing or videography needs: kit.co/jlevi
💬 Join My Discord: jle.vi/tnl-discord
✍️ Write a comment below!
👍🏿 Like this video
#3dprinting #3dprinted #bambulab - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
THANK YOU for watching! Let me know what you think, your comments really help!
Can this printer do PEEK filament?
The problem with the walled garden (also an Apple user, so probably a little hypocritical on this one) is that they have utilised decades of open source software and hardware development to do the heavy lifting of building their printer, and scattered some new engineering niceties on top. If they wall it off here, this is where that development ends. If you kill the open source 3D printer movement off by redirecting funds to proprietary devices like this then you had better hope that Bambu continues to develop features that you like, because they will be the only source of future innovation.
I think that this is distinct from Apple / Linux / BSD in that the server space continues to be very open source in computing, but the equivalent industrial applications of 3D printing were already tending towards proprietary solutions.
Excellent reviews. We'll balanced and very informative. One request: When you do a pop-up on the video, keep it on screen for a few seconds so we have time to read/understand it. Thanks.
Sounds like a skill issue most of these cant get your machine running in two days? I came from an m3d mini then an ender ill take 10 min to wait for that cash money perfect first layer every time
The 7 minutes for start up sequence is so worth it. Got perfect prints every time
Agreed. I think that complaining about it for over a minute in the video was overkill...the quality of prints and the overall reduced speed is TOTALLY worth it. I can print PET-G about 60% faster than on my Prusa Mk3 and Prusa Mini.
Wouldn't it be okay when the start up sequence would only be necessary one time a day or so. Because especially if you have already been printing, it would not be necessary.
@@hassosigbjoernson5738 Well. If same material, just uncheck it during start? I really just like fire and forget. Always works
So true!!!!!!!
7 minutes seems crazy
One often overlooked feature of the AMS is the automatic capability of switching to a new spool when you finishes one. Having two spools of the same material in it will ensure that your print will complete without any manual intervention! No more trying to figure out if you have enough filament to do a print…. Genius!
Totally. I’d seen that covered a lot though so I didn’t mention!
It's especially useful if you're dumb like me, and manage to unwind a third of your spool when you tried to transfer a cartboard spool onto a plastic one..
Got my P1P (X1C on order) setup in 20 minutes, been printing pretty much non-stop for 3 days. I am spoiled, no bed leveling or constant tuning, upgrades on my Ender 3’s and 5 Plus. I care more about design and making stuff than tinkering even though I have done that. The P1P makes perfect first layers, extrusion is spot on, corners beautiful, the best ironing I have experienced and much more. I want another and another….
You and me both, mate!
@@davydatwood3158 I added AMS, fantastic! Then yesterday my X1C came, seems even faster, display is amazing, especially with AMS. I have to order another AMS today, it’s just too good. I have two “appliances” running full tilt-yet to have a failed print,..hope this lasts!
If you are printing abs on your 2.4 you should be heat soaking. That is wait half an hour after the bed heats before you start printing to get the best results. The voron team generally recommendeds this. It makes a huge difference in print quality. For smaller prints it doesn't matter as much but I really recomend setting up a heatsoak macro. The reason for this is if you start printing with the chamber at say 30C and it heats up to 50 to 60 during the print things are gonna be different because of thermal expansion and you may get some strange layer lines. If the printer cools down you dont need to run the exhaust fan. The VOCs will condense on the inside of the printer. I wouldnt run the exhaust fan unless you need the parts right away which I wouldn't recommended for abs anyway as it can warp if not cooled down slowly. I would rather keep the VOCs in the printer than try to filter most of them out. Just my thoughts. Thanks for another interesting video.
True, true... I should be doing that.
@@thenextlayer I didn't start until a couple months after i had mine running. I had a hundred projects that built up over a couple years that needed a big printer so I had no time to waste!
What if u add an external hear source ?
I like to print a lot of abs to oh yea fist i turn it on and preheat before i go to the slicer sometime before i start working in fusion.
I use a Wham Bam plate for my X1. It is SOOOO nice that I bought 2 so I was never without it in case one failed down the road. I pumped up the bed temp for PLA on it to 65. I started at 50, 55, 60 then finally 65 and I had mirror like flat finishes on the bottom at 65.
Yeah this is a game changer, honestly. Improves the printer so much.
@@thenextlayer I checked the price of those plates, and they are way more expensive than Bambu plates 😭
Can you provide a link to the plate you mentioned? I'm looking for a textured plate that works with the lidar, but the Wham Bam site is not making it easy to figure out which one that is. Thanks!
I just discovered your channel when searching out X1C videos. Thank you so much for informative videos but mostly thank you for your positive attitude even when giving constructive criticism. It’s refreshing.
wow, thank you, so glad i found a way to add something unique after so many reviews out there
I have watched a lot of TH-cam videos on the Bambu printer but this one is the most informative. It was interesting that the software picked up a change in the level profile when you added a brace to the desk.
My ideal printer would be delivered with true AI. I can only dream.
Wham Bam really is the go to 3rd party supplier. I have 2 hot boxes for my Enders and the flexible build plate on the Mars 3.
wow, thank you, so glad i found a way to add something unique after so many reviews out there
I learned about the exhaust fan the same way you did. I didn't know about the real time resonance monitoring. That's insane. I've started to buy Bambu filament just for the added convenience of the RFID tags. That's something else I think could be out in the hands of 3rd party companies and allow Bambu to recognize other filament brands automatically
Yep, crazy how we all misread, or maybe they updated the site
i got mine yesterday, so far only tested pla and petg. with (generic) petg it shuts off the build and aux fan, but the exhaust fan is full on!
the prices they have are comparable to every other filament so its not bad at all.
@@Shinobubu agreed. Shipping takes a bit longer and their inventory seems to be out a lot though
Great video. Thanks for making this. As someone new to 3D printing, content like this really helps me learn and understand core topics like this.
My biggest concern with filaments other than PLA is the fumes and particles etc.. I don’t have a proper ventilation setup for my Bambu X1C and I don’t think I would feel comfortable using these other materials until I do.
I just discovered your channel. The content is super smooth and concise. Very well put together, kudos to you. Definitely subscribing
I have had my prusa since 2016 and upgraded to the 2.5. The fact is the prusa just works. I love the fact you build the prusa yourself from a kit so when it needs fixing, its no problem. Would i like some of these other features of the X1, yes but I am one of those very opposed to a closed system vs prusa which is as open as you can get. Would I buy an X1 just to mess with, maybe soon. Thanks for a great video on the X1 . Larry
I have a Prusa. Love it and open source. I bought a P1P too. It’s fast and great value. It’s been really good too. I’m using it to print parts for my 3rd printer - the open source Rook 180
This is the first review video of the Bambu X1 that I think covers these really important areas which I are often forgotten / overlooked and I 100% agree with your view and suggestion on their walled garden approach.
wow, thank you, so glad i found a way to add something unique after so many reviews out there
Super informative, thank you. I just started learning about this printer
7-8 minutes on a 20 minute print is feels like such a pain, but then I step back and realize that print would have taken me an hour anyways, and I quit sulking. 7min out of an 8hr print is nothing to blink at. A decade of 3d printing, and my X1C is the best experience I've ever had.
I love my X1C so much that I purchased a P1P just for PLA/PETG prints. And I have been pretty pleased with your coverage of the offerings from Bambu Lab. As a fellow Apple user, I don't mind the walled garden here so much as the consumables are very reasonably priced, but it might be pretty amazing to see how much further things can be pushed with a bit of openness. But I can understand the immense amount of pressure Bambu is currently under trying to get printers to customers and dealing with the occasional bad apple or issues with shipping that crop up. I, honestly, love the fact that I can just hit print and largely continue with my day worry free regardless of the material I'm printing with. No, not everything is perfect, but it just works and I love that more than getting a perfect print every time as most every print I have gotten has come out perfect enough.
I agree fully
Great Video! Thank you for highlighting the exhaust fan as I had no clue and was kicking myself for not buying the XC1 instead of the P1P. The only worry I have is if Bambulab will be around for the next 5 years. How would I get replacement nozzles and other parts? I have to say one amazing thing that Bambulab does, is that they have all accessories available to Canadians without gouging us too much, $35 for PLA is on the high side for pricing, and I think that $30 is the right spot IMO. I do find other accessories to be decently priced. Great job Bambulab
The Chamber fan is controlled by the start-up G-Code. I think it's triggered by the bed temp when it gets past 45c. I have seen some custom code on Reddit, that will trigger it sooner and at a lower speed. Cause ones it's triggered, its triggers at 100%. It is loud.
Please do not edit your Start or Machine G-Code if you do not know what you are doing. You can damage the printer if you mess it up.
The command is "M106 P3 SXXX" Where XXX = 0 through 255
Sample:
M106 P3 S0 ; turns off the chamber cooling fan
M106 P3 S255 ; turns on the chamber cooling fan to 100%
M106 P3 s127; will turn it on at around 50%
You have made several great points that I find and hopefully bamboo as well ....hard to ignore!..very informative and insightful review!
Thank you so much. Hope you're subbed
Regarding fans and VOCs. This is something I am paranoid about because my printer is in the middle of the house, I like printing with smelly stuff, and my wife has the nose of a bloodhound.
The provided "filter" really is just a nod, IMO, so they can put it on the spec sheet.
I have been reading up on the Bento Box internal air scrubber, which you are dismissive of, and I think (hope) that is a step in the right direction - keep the printer sealed and keep the internal air cleansed while printing ABS and the like.
The Bento Box has both carbon and HEPA filtering. My research indicates HEPA is useless for VOCs. So I am designing my own carbon only scrubber, taking the best ideas from the Bento Box. I will absolutely be maximising the amount of carbon.
The other vulnerability in the X1C is that the poop chute is open to the outside. So the poop will come with smells 🙂 I am designing a poop catcher that will give a 99% air seal, so those poop smells won't drift out when the exhaust fan is not running.
Finally there's the door hinge gap. That's easily fixed with a bit of tape.
So IMO what Bambu Labs should be doing is integrating a scrubber, and modifying the software for a post-print scrub cycle and advising the user to keep the (properly sealed) door shut, and only then running the exhaust fan to shift the inside air out through the filter.
Regarding the walled garden: That's what you get with companies like Stratasys, AFAIK. it's many years since I looked at them, but when I did their FDM printers came with filament cartridges with a disposable printhead. The print surface was also to be replaced on a very short cycle. And of course the chamber was sealed and heated, and subject to a patent that stalled general development of FDM printing for 15 years. More a fortress than a walled garden!
This channel is growing fast! Great content and relevant info on what is going on in the 3D community. I ordered a WhamBam one day before seeing this video but I would like to see one about the WhamBam. If it's good enough I will put one on my Voron V2.
Thanks so much! Yeah I think I need one for my v2 as well, though I do prefer textured plates, but wow... the whambam is like glass, it makes the surface soooo nice
Thank you for this - I've been running the X1C for several weeks now, and had completely missed that the carbon filter / chamber fan was a manual on/off step - VERY useful information! Hope they add this to the software as you suggest.
Glad I was able to share something new with even an existing owner
Really good review on both part 1 and 2. Your views are really welcome as you highlight the general trend on where 3d printing is going. I dont mind the closed system aslong as they keep up with issues and updates and give a you a hassle free experience. The only reason we are used to modding our machines is because the printer companies arent keeping up or havet ironed out all the issues before shipping there product. Cant wait to see how the 3d market competes against bambu. Lets hope bambu makes a bigger version. Would be good to see how the bambu handles different materials and how does it compare with speed and quality.
Glad I found your channel! Looking to get my X1-Carbon ...I was ready to put my order until I saw this video, where you mention the Wham Bam plate. Should I get this plate and not buy any other extra Bambu OEM plate like I was going? Just keep the included Bambu plate on the kit and get the Wham Bam? I'm planning to print a lot of TPU ...have you used with TPU yet? Do you need to mess with glue? ...any feed back would be appreciate.
Thanks and keep the great content! Wishing you the best?
Amazing review with stuff most reviewers just skip, talking about the unique pros and cons flat out! Thank you Jonathan! We ordered the X1 carbon based on your reviews and feedback!
We’ll also check out wambam after our X1 will arrive.
As I mentioned on the previous X1 video you did, a head to head comparison of the X1 vs “your” 2.4 😁
Thank you! Appreciate the tip, and your kind words. I'll do the comparison soon, most likely. Where in Israel are you based, btw?
@@thenextlayer Tel Aviv 😁
We got it, I can’t believe we started unboxing and 12 minutes later already started printing 🤯
Glad I went with Voron trident for my first, but I almost got the Bambu. Potentially will get it for my second printer, or whatever newest iteration there is of it. A tuned Voron I'd take any day, it just takes soo much time to tune it up
Really useful video, thank you. Sounds like the x1c is the go to printer if you just want to print and not have to spent time and money tweaking and buying addons to make it work
I'm totally fine with the walled garden approach. I'm not big on modding things and their parts are fairly priced.
Agreed. But I get how much of the 3dp geek crowd have alot of time tinker and tinker and tinker.
I just want a solid ecosystem that works, is fast and has output that is great... price is secondary.
@@graphguy Yep! Like for me, I just want to be able to print my inventory. If it prints my products reliably, easy to repair if needed, and has great quality. I can't really ask for more.
But if you like to tinker and upgrade and stuff like that. Do what makes brings you joy! In the end, everyone should be happy and make cool thinks :)
Bambu Lab has certainly raised the bar. I am saving my money and going to watch from the sidelines to see how the Bambu Labs printer holds up after many hours of use and how the other 3D printer companies answer. My printers are tuned and work to my satisfaction (for now :)).
As someone who has monitored 3d printing for several years, but not bought one because of the learning curve and incantations required, I do like the X1. The walled garden element is worrying, but the ability to print and it works, almost offsets that. I would not hesitate to buy into the 3d world of Bambu Labs if there wasnt a wall around it. I probably wouldnt use the freedom a non walled garden gives, but it would be nice to know it was there.
With how well your videos are edited and produced, I assumed your channel had at least a couple million subscribers. I hope to see you grow and thank you for the informative video!
Wow, thank you!
The Aux Fan is (without changing it during the print) in the G Code, which is created based on the Material, but you can edit it in the settings
Usually based on bed temp there are 2 values and an if then else
M106 looks like to Address the fan, and S255 is 100% Speed
I changed mine in the PLA to around 70% because it was too loud if having a parrallel online business meeting.
Btw, if you do not have change material prints, you also can use the software to manually change it also during the print.
But if it changes with the AWS.. it goes back at 100% for PLA any change
Would love to see a lemons to apples comparison between the V2.4 and the X1 Carbon. Currently on the fence between building a 350^3 Doom 2.4 or buying an X1 carbon... then using it to eventually build a 2.4.
247 printing did a good video with a comparison between the 2.4, x1c, and v400
Thanks for a great pair of videos! Very informative. I've got a Bambu X1-Carbon in my June budget. Yee-Haw !!!
NIIICE enjoy
Amazing video quality. I see greatness in the future for you good sir!
Thank you so much. Hope you're subbed
Thank you! Especially introducing "walled garden" into the 3d print world vocabulary. I know I am getting ahead of where we are now, but I think it is critical that others need to know in the future this device should fall under the "right to repair" argument. I don't think Bambu Labs is going to disappear or go bankrupt like a US company; it is Chinese owned so it may fold or transition into another Chinese company. Also, the difference between Apple and Bambu Labs is that their programming environment is that Apple built their own programming language, Swift, while the other is using Open Source for slicing (Slic3r / PrusaSlicer), printer commands (GCODE), and kinematics (Klipper).
And finally, with any walled garden, network interfacing must be cloud based or you've now hobbled your printer with LAN only. And from what I understanding now, the P1P has a different chipset that is less capable than the X1 so you must use the cloud based tools or it won't work. So for anyone with a secure home/office network, setting up the X1 or P1P is going to set off a lot of alarm bells.
If any device relies on a internet connection and their cloud service, I refuse to buy it. Too many companies are gone or decided to turn off their cloud service or drop support for older devices. I hate walled gardens and never owed a single apple product mostly for that reason. I hope Bambu Lab isn't like that.
Pre-ordered mine yesterday. Have to wait till probably the end of March to get it. Good times
You can actually turn off the buildplate identification nowdays. I had to because my unit didn't recognise the cold plate it came with stock. It seems to be a common issue, hope they fix it soon
Edit:
.... as always with bambu printers, it was user error... I had the wrong plate set in my slicer.
As soon as I corrected the plate selection, the printer worked flawlessly...
(I swear this thing is smarter than me.. I wouldn't be surprised if it started detecting defects and failiures in humanity in a few years)
Live the video, thank you!! I'm looking at making my first purchase the X1 Carbon, but the VOC's etc. that are emitted make me weary. My solution was just to build an enclosure to ventilate it...but you're saying that it DOES come with a carbon filter? With you printing in your home m, you feel comfortable in leveraging what's built in, and not having to solution for that aspect? Thanks in advance!
I have a MK3S+,Prusa Mini,CR-30,V400 and a SV06. I LOVE my X1 Carbon!!!!
more videos on the X1 please :) this printer is a beast. Keep up the great work!
You got it
If I'm printing multiple things in succession with the same filament, I always only run the bed levelling and flow calibration the first time. Then the startup time is much faster than 7 to 10 minutes for the next prints.
Looking forward to buying a bambu lab x1 carbon. Great video!
Hope you enjoy it! Use my link when you do please?
As thorough, professional, and enjoyable as always. Great video
Thank you so much. Hope you're subbed
@@thenextlayer I am subbed 😁
I have a new Raise3D Pro 3 Plus and it takes 6-8 minutes to get going. Between prints you can reheat the bed and HE to retain the heat & keep going quicker.
Nice
I bed level every 12-20 prints depending on how much vibration there is. I usually skip most of the flow calibrations. I basically do that when I change filaments. Once the machine is up and running, it can print>repeat pretty well.Also, I have to say, once I tried the new liquid glue, I have zero bed adhesion issues. I recommend you try it. It works, it's easy to apply, less messy and cleans off easily. I can apply one coat of glue and get several prints out of the one application. Good stuff! These machines are game changers. Meanwhile, I agree with you, Prusa is falling way behind. I actually canceled my XL preorder.
I think this stuff is similar to the Magigoo Bed Adhession glue and it works 100% of the time with out making the printbed tacky.
My P1P arrived today and i’m in love like never before. This printer is just crazy but I’m scared of printing on 100% every time. Maybe it could handle the speed very well, but we don’t know for how long. I’m from Germany and can’t order any Bambu Lab filament (except ABS, but yeah it’s the P1P) so I hope that they get a huge restock. Thanks for your Videos and your opinion about this beast!
100% is where it defaults to. After a few days of being amazed at the speed and quality of the parts it produced, I figured out how to adjust the print speed. Now, I typically adjust the speed up to Sport mode and let er rip. Ludicrous mode still makes my butthole pucker a little and I only use it when the part is small enough to not have to be making long sweeps across the entire build plate. Seriously, the print head is damn near a blur when printing in Ludicrous mode. But I do trust the engineers that came up with these incredible machines that it's not going to RUD when running as fast as it can.
@@jims6450 thank you for these informations! Yeah, maybe my brain starts accepting those accelerations after some more prints… Which filament brand are you using? I can’t order any bamboo pla/petg so i’m looking for an alternative, don’t wanna mess around with the slicer profile (switching from Cura and having a new printer is kinda stressful) and f up the quality. Thanks mate 🙏
Enjoying your videos on the Bambu printer which will be my next printer. Your own experience with these printers is very informative.
Looking forward for more content on your journey with this printer.
Thank you!
I know you think it takes a long time to start up, but with other printers I came from, I spent hours fixing and tweaking it to just work. If we don't all have 7 mins to give for perfection then you probably want to get a printer that requires a lot of maintenance but starts fast. For me I can wait. I don't actual wait though, I do other things because I don't have to worry if its going to print. It just works!
True true
True. I really want to buy the Bambu Lab X1 Carbon even though it might be my first printer but I guess because of these limitations of it being the Apple of 3d printers, I'd have to settle for a do it all Android like Creality Ender 3 S1 Pro so that I can get replacement parts etc in my country.
I would love to see a comparison between the bambu x1 and voron 2.4.
great video
I really really hope they make their own proprietary glass bed. Maybe I'm weird, but I've always had the best turnout on prints when using glass (excluding ABS)
I strongly agree with a lot of these (niche) points. However, you could greatly improve some minor things from a preproduction/production/editing standpoint. It's hard to balance this with a new kiddo (I'm an uncle and I kinda get it). Your drive and personality is as always great, so just keep on keeping on and don't give up. You should definitely have a live chat with your paterons(sooner than later) from time to time just to keep your drive going.
It would make for a very interesting comparison if you were to take the Bambu Studio slicer and choose the Ender 3 as the current printer to see how it works on the Enders. I imagine that perhaps Enders with the Klipper firmware upgrade installed would be the closest variety of enders to try it out on. Love my Bambu X1C too. Using my Snapmaker F350 now feels like I'm taking a step back in time. To be honest, as soon as the Bambu sales guys get back from their CNY benders, I'm getting me another X1C combo system.
It doesn’t support adding Enders I don’t think. Maybe with custom profiles. But you won’t see any benefits over Prusa slicer. The slider is just a very small part of the performance if anything at all
The "filter" is secondary because it is a chamber temp regulator for when you print PLA. Prevents heat creep
I don't think you'd want to force the chamber fan to be on when printing higher temp materials. That would cool down the chamber and probably cause more warping. Whatever air leaves the chamber is replaced with room temp air from outside.
It would be a better design to recirculate the air inside the chamber through a filter, since that shouldn't change the temperature. That's why I ended up installing the Bentobox on mine. I certainly agree it is a bit of a hack, but I don't see this being fixed with software.
yeah my suggestion is a wait period AFTER printing them to filter out before you open
@@thenextlayer Yeah, I should have waited until the video was over before commenting. I thought you had moved on to the next topic but was impatient. That would definitely help, though of course you'd get fumes leaking out in the meantime. Really you could use both when you think about it, and it isn't like the carbon is expensive. The only gotcha with recirculation is that you need to use acid-free carbon or you'll destroy the machine. I could see people getting THAT wrong and creating a reputation issue.
Please videos about the new BambuLab P1P. Really, looking forward to it. Thank you ☺️
I feel like open source is kind of the thing that made 3d printers grow to what they are now and what makes them so awesome. I'm not saying I wouldn't like a bambu labs printer at some point but I guess we will just have to see what happens. Im still happy with my Ender3 and after I get a couple more I'm going for a Prusa. Happy printing. It looks awesome.
I just got a p1p after using 2 enders for my business. I'm so relaxed now knowing it won't randomly stop working and orders can be churned out 4x faster. Game changer
Question; I am new to the 3D print world. As for the walled garden, can you use filament from other manufactures and use the settings in the slicer to enable their use?
I'm an Apple guy and have been since I was a kid, watching my dad unbox and set up a Macintosh LC on a rickety table in the main bedroom of our house. And I have to agree that the walled garden approach works (at least for me) with phones...I'm not as convinced that it's the best way to go with 3D printers, at least the way it's working now where the only 3rd-party solutions are those that are reverse engineered and could potentially be invalidated with future software updates. The X1C is obviously a fantastic printer but it's not the end-all, be-all solution - anyone who wants to do quality multi-material printing but doesn't have the space or ability to buy a standalone IDEX printer is out of luck if all they have is an X1C in their possession, while there are modification options for people with printers that practically beg to be tinkered with, for example.
In other words, I feel no compulsion to hack my phone but I would like to have the option to hack my printer to do whatever I need it to do. As long as the rest of the industry refrains from following suit, there will be plenty of space for people who prefer a one-source solution for their printing needs and for people who want to mix and match to their hearts' content. But even Apple and Nintendo let other people play in their respective sandboxes, and Bambu Labs should consider doing the same if they want to maximize their foothold in the consumer and prosumer 3D printing market.
My X1C came with a dual-sided textured/smooth plate.
Is the exhaust fan something you could add post-print gcode to handle?
I am having issues with PVA print quality on my X1C. Would love to see a video using BambuLab PLA and a dissolvable Raised 3D PVA+ material.
I love what you are doing, and like always this was an awesome review. I have a particular question if you cand help me. I work away from home, mostly 4 months away. I want an easy to use 3D printer reliable, one witch also my wife can use it. I have an Anycubic Chiron but is not very consistent. I was thinking about Bambu Lab x1 Carbon (without AMS system) or Prusa i3 mk3S+. What you think. Thank you for your time
Bambu Lab X1 Carbon all day long. It tells you what's wrong right on the screen. Did you see my recent "Dear Prusa Research" video? I can't recommend ANYONE buy a Prusa until they update their products.
@@thenextlayer Thank you very much for your response. Yup i see the brake up video 😂 posted only one week before Valentine's Day. I will order mine now. Thank you again
Possibly a flipper zero to read fil type rfid and make new ones to put on existing rolls? That’s if you can find the rfid chip they use 😂 Geat video! can’t wait to get one of these bad boys!
For me as completely New 3D printer guy, i startet directly withe the X1C.
I have testet bevore i have buying this, one Elegoo Neptune.
The 7 - 10 min. Waiting before every print, is much faster and more correctly, than every single try to print on the elegoo.
I love the printer.
Create a Objekt or download one, press print and wait till it is finish.
And not every printinh works but for the most part, its my fould.😄
Man oh man I’ve got to stop watching your videos. You make me want to order an X1 lol 😂 I just got into printing at the end of last year, thanks for all your support and hard work!
It takes forever to start..... but, its worth it, it levels the bed, it makes sure your first layer is perfect, it lets you know if it thinks spahetti is going to happen and lets not forget how FAST it is once it starts to print. I've had mine for three days and I am in awe of this machine, and I haven't even made a multicolour print yet.
Agreed.
Hearing that you think the X1 will replace your MK3s+ felt like a punch in the gut. My MK3S+ has been such a workhorse for so long I was not emotionally prepared for it to be dethroned like this. 😂
Same... but... compared to the Bambu, it looks like a 12 year old kid's science class project. Seriously.
I switched to the Bambulab at the end of July 2023 and a textured Plate that doesn't need Glue stick is available at BabumLab now. I must admit that I am just like you, meaning that I came from Makerbot Method Carbon to the new X1C. It's wow.... like night and day... Bambulab is so faaaar away from the best "fully automatized" 3D printers... I have bought 2 AMS so it is now able to handle 8 colors, and it is just insane...
Yep.
After watching this...and even after my comment on the previous video...I do want one! Arguably, I wanted one before. Time to save my money for one.
That said, I would be interested in the start up time "issue". I know some things take a moment to get use to an environment...and I wonder it that is the case with this one. I have seen others testing it and they never went over the initial warm up period. Don't get me wrong...they said it took time to start up...7-10 minutes is a far cry from what they were reporting. Between the lidar scanning the 1st layer print and not stopping during a failure detection, which was reported. They raced it against the Prusa i3Mk3s+...and Bambu beat it like a drum!
I would look forward to seeing a 6 month review of the Bambu. The breakdowns, the consistency of the prints. The start up times...whether they improve or stay the same...The list would go on, however, you get my point.
Keep up the great work. I appreciate the fact that you are not afraid to update during your editing process. Not many do that. They just go with the "accuracy" of the review when they record. They MAY do an update video..they may not. This is something I appreciate from a content creator.
AS a side note...I would LOVE to see a printer match up between the X1 and other printers to get to the level it offers. Not necessarily you going to buy or get the manufacturers to send it to you...just a one stop shop of what the actual costs are to get a printer to the same level as the X1C. Just an idea. Arguably, after that, it may push people in their direction...or push other manufacturers to actually compete on their level. Either way, we all win!
Thanks for the kind words. I will definitely do a 6 month review for you!
The walled garden approach Bamboo Labs is using ultimately what made me choose a Prusa Mk4, even though I was looking for an out of the box coreXY. This is a really cool looking machine, but the open-source community is what built the 3d printing community, and is why 3d printing is where it's at today. It just looks so shady IMHO. I do really hope it spurs Prusa to step it up and produce a smaller coreXY and push them to get more innovative.
I think the chamber fan setting is something that the original Prusa Slicer simply doesn't implement. Also I'd think that the chamber fan should really only run after the print: you want your chamber to stay warm while the print is going. Maybe have the fan spinning at its lowest speed just to maintain a bit of negative pressure, but it shouldn't be running full bore. Either way, that's something that they could just put into the G-code, but that wouldn't give you as much control.
I'm not saying that your concern is invalid: far from it, it's a very good point. I'm just saying that this probably would've been a feature that's harder to cleanly add to Prusa Slicer.
Thanks for the informative video. Opening up to third-party seems like a win-win indeed. @The Next Layer, have you noticed VFAs or ripples (not to be confused with ghosting or ringing) on your prints? BambuLab’s printers seems to be suffering from VFA’s (BambuLabs discord has a thread discussing the topic and exploring fixes) so I’d like to see a comparison with Voron, Prusa, etc, especially a comparison in quality. Many people who sell prints need a reliable print quality after all.
My prints have all been literally flawless... it's uncanny
So again I’m not hearing you say anything overly negative about the x1 carbon. If anything I’d say you not only complimented the printer, but painted a realistic picture of things hopefully to come.
I figure I’ll pull the trigger on an x1 in the next month or so. I don’t forsee the need for an AMS system for my needs so I’ll likely forgo that option. I’ll also either purchase the Bambu labs pei plate or source a third party plate. I’m also contemplating purchasing a spare .04 nozzle as well as a couple of .06 nozzles and likely spare wipers as I’ve heard they can take a beating. I know there is a print file for them but want to reserve that option as an emergency plan. I’ve also heard about some machines having issues with the motherboard cooling fan so will cross that bridge if I have to.
Hopefully I won’t need much more then that for a while. I’m really chomping at the bit for a faster printer, as the best I can do with what I have is in the 60-70mm per second which is abysmally slow never mind the other printers I have that run at a draconian 40mm ps.
Thanks for the update and the useful insight.
Walled gardens don't bother me at all, so I'm cool with it personally. I currently have the P1P that I'm still messing around with to get where I need it, but it seems pretty solid so far. I have the X1C on preorder which is supposed to ship soon (fingers crossed). I'm really enjoying your videos, upbeat with great info is refreshing to see, keep up the good work!
Quick comment on Apple, I'm a "new" convert and man, the OS is making me dread using Windows anymore lol. The only thing holding me back from the new mini / studio is the insane pricing, $400 going from 16gb to 32gb of ram is ridiculous!! But I agree on your points there. Thanks again!
Something that is frustrating to a lot of Bambu users is the cloud. Last week it was down and you could not print using it. I never want to go back to using a SD card, and the LAN option is pretty much useless. The LAN option could be made to function just as well as the Bambu Cloud, I'm thinking that will be a hack someone will come up with quickly.
It feels like it's abit of a regression that they wont allow some kind of rpi installable app or somthing to upload to the machine. I don't like sd cards either but klipper or octoprint have made it easy to bypass. I'd be annoyed with out them.
I think the voron 2.4 vs bambu could be an interesting discussion. They have different audiences, but a video on what type of person might want which printer could be interesting. just get it done = bambu, tinkerer = voron, etc...
I will likely do that video soon, make sure you're subscribed
Hi I am considering an Adventure 4 from Flash Forge. But how does this compares with the X1?
Just subscribed to your channel today after watching your direct message to Prusa and your Voron build series, and now this series about Bambu labs. I would be very interested in seeing you review the P1P which is a much more realistic option for us mere mortals who have kids and a mortgage. The walled garden on a line of 3d printers doesn't bother me anywhere near as much as the new trend in cheap SLA/Resin printers where they loose money on the hardware and make it back up in subscription fees to their required proprietary slicer software. Reminds me of HP printers and the ink subscription plan I finally succumbed to. In general I really dislike walled gardens, and I would prefer building a Voron for my next printer. (I'm still using my Prusa Mk2S I built from a kit many years ago). Apple makes quality stuff, but you pay through the nose for it. Also due to their shady business practices with regard to right to repair I refuse to buy or use anything made by them. Check out some of Louis Rossmann's videos about Apple.
Good video but I will enjoy if you make a video to share your experience with more budget friendly printer like Sovol SV06. How is it working for you stock, did you change anything on it, what slicer settings you use etc. :)
Hi! I can do that! I have been enjoying the SV06, it's a great starter printer :) I use default prusa profiles.
Maybe you're going to do a video on this, or I missed one you've already done, but the Wham Bam website doesn't seem to mention higher temp filaments like PC/PA on the X1C. I did see a passing mention of them in general, just saying they may need glue stick. I'm not sure if that will be necessary with the enclosure.
Since they're sponsoring you, maybe you'd be able to do a video on using the PEX build surface with some of these filaments. I'm happy with the Bambulab textured and high temp plates, but I don't use the smooth surface with anything but PLA due to over-adhesion concerns. It might be nice to have a smooth option like this for other filaments (but not PETG apparently).
Oooooh, that's a great idea, I'll try them. I don't have any PC here, but I do have a bunch like PA Nylon and even some more exotic stuff...
I'm not sure I understand what the benefit of filtering the air inside would be vs filtering the vented air. The point of eliminating VOCs is to prevent you from breathing that stuff, and in reality, regardless of whether they filter inside or out, an activated carbon filter with a fan is woefully inadequate. Activated carbon filters get saturated pretty quickly, and then need to be completely replaced. If you don't replace them, they just don't adsorb the VOCs and it's as if you didn't have filters at all. You can heat the filters up to very high temperatures, which then releases the VOCs, but you would need to capture them back to dispose of them (otherwise you're basically just releasing them into the room). I've done a lot of research around this for my own printers and really, the only solution is to vent the VOCs outside, which requires installing ducts that go straight from your enclosures into an HRV/ERV air exchanger.
Also the comparison with Apple is apt, but I disagree that it results in better performance, in both cases. PCs and Vorons perform significantly better than Macs and Bambus. I think the BambuLab is a great printer for someone who wants to print fast and occasionally, but for someone who likes to keep up with the latest innovations and/or is running a print farm, open-source, serviceable and customizable design win out in every case.
A couple questions: I've never used glue sticks... textured plates only. Do you need to use glue for the smooth plate that's included? (How do you get the glue off the model...wipe it off with warm water?) Can you purchase a separate textured plate instead? And if so, does that affect the use of the Lidar Scanner? Thanks for you videos!
A lot of people tell me that they don’t use glue stick for the cool plate, I didn’t have as much luck, but maybe I should try again. It’s best to remove glue stick with high-quality dish soap, and hot water.
A reminder to support great content creators like this one. There is also a Patreon which puts more $$ in coffers to continue the cause.
BTW you can change the slicer because it's open source, and there are forks or this slicer.
I print ABS 99% of the time so I let my bed get to temp and sit for 5-10 minutes to heat the chamber up some.
You can change the chamber fan setting for every material different in the start gcode
From another TH-camr i learned it is temperature controlled.
The exhaust fan should turn on based on chamber temperature.
Heating the chamber it will not turn on.
But when the chamber should be cool it should exhaust hot air.
Really the long term support is going to make or break the printer. Something that's hard to judge in the present, especially with a company so new. Will be interesting to see over time. I prefer more open printers but understand why someone would prefer this
Most of us 3D printing enthusiasts are always in a hurry to finish a print but only to fail halfway because we skipped bed cleaning, leveling, adhesion and proper extruder heat and flow... do it once the right way... plus, the speed will make up for the start up delay...
I seem to remember you saying Bambu Lab sent you the X1 Carbon (maybe I'm wrong). But if you were starting with neither printer, but still had your Prusa, based on price and functionality which would you get: The X1 Carbon or the Voron? I think that would be a very interesting comparison video.
I’ll do a video. Apples and oranges
WhamBam for channel sponsor? :P
Natural segues and well incorporated plugs. Amazing
Thanks. That’s a big complement!!
Do you think you could do a quick video on how to set the bamboo lab to not purge so much? You kind of passed over it so quickly I didn’t even know that menu was available. A lot of times I just print by layer which does save a lot. I don’t even turn on the purge tower but occasionally I want to do a multicolor print where I can paint the colors and I would like to change the amount of purge since I don’t really worry about bleed through, thank you like your channel
tell me you never owned a stratasys, with out telling me you never owned a stratasys lol. thanks great review looking forward to getting mine this Feb. hoping its like my F900 or F450 but at home.
Does stratasys make consumer machines??? They’re an Israeli company so I could easily get one, but I thought it’s all industrial?
@@thenextlayer they used to make one the uPrint SE. they stopped making it when they bought MAKERBOT AND ULTIMAKER so that's their consumer systems. the Dimension 1200es can be picked up used for $2k and are still dual extruder for support material. the reason i ordered the Bambu Lab X1 was it was the closest i have found to a affordable Fortus style system. stratasys is over priced as can be, but it will spoil you to just trust your printer and not worry about it. file comes in print comes out and it fits and works.
I dont mind a walled garden aslong as it isnt with consumables. Thats just rough if you want to keep you printer run as much as possible. I dont need waiting weeks for parts.
Awesome video! Thanks for letting me know it's the Apple of printers. Not a bad thing! Keep up the awesome work!
thanks for the kind words and support!
I have no problem with Bambu having a walled garden. It's their product, and they can do what they want. Just because the 3D printing world is traditionally a bunch of geeks who like to change everything for the latest product available, that's not Bambu's market. They are selling a machine that anyone can use out of the box, and get better, more consistent results than most of us have been able to achieve through many hours of tinkering. Car nuts like to do things like change the air intake for improved flow, ditto the exhaust. Many times this actually results in worse performance, because the car was designed holistically, with the original equipment. If the system was open to widespread modding, they might unjustly lose their reputation for reliability, and it wouldn't be their fault.
However, I haven't (yet) bought one, and it is because of the walled garden. What has concerned me is precisely what I hate about Apple, and that is planned obsolescence. They launch a new product, and suddenly the old ones are unsupported and no longer updated. If you want to run the latest software, you have to throw out your old product and buy the latest.
Thankfully, Bambu Lab has been working with the X1plus team, which means enthusiasts will still be able to upgrade some of the software long after Bambu has moved onto other products. Despite all the hate that has been aimed at them for the walled garden, the company seems to be keen to work with the community. I have no problem with installing alternative software invalidating my warranty. That's no different than chipping a car where they cannot know whether a blown engine is their fault or it was driven outside the safe parameters. If I get an x1c, and I probably will, I will probably wait until the warranty has expired before installing x1plus. The fact that it is available is enough for me. For those concerned about their own IP, or PII being sent to Bambu, x1plus can install firewall rules to prevent any phoning home.
What would be really good, is for the company to promise to open-source all of the firmware if/when they decide to stop supporting it. By that time, other companies or open source groups will have developed comparable IP, so their own IP will not have the value it currently has. In a fast-moving world like ours, the length of a patent is too long. They were designed to allow an inventor time to bring the product to market, recoup their R&D costs, and make a profit. With long patent times and a fast-developing market, patents are frequently obsolete long before they expire. Committing to open-source once the company has lost interest in the product would be a sign that they want to be community players. Sure, they may not sell the new product as fast, but the extra sales of the current product will more than compensate.
So I’m new to 3D printing thinking of getting this or p1p however I would have to print in my bedroom should it be safe or would I get have to get another purifier for room?
This will be safe as it’s closed but it will be too loud to operate while you try to sleep
@@thenextlayer thank you for response can’t use at night anyhow due to apartment I live in atm.