Dominance? Zerg has no info in that game but still holds a push by just building lots of queens. If that was pvt or tvt, in the first push it will be GG.
That's Maru for you. Short of Serral, he can dominate just about anyone - and even Serral is is not guaranteed victory if Maru gets a bank up, as many casters have noted.
29:18 The Marine on this awkward cliff takes 5 Ravager shots to kill. That +3 Terran armor vs the 0 Ranged Zerg upgrade diff is a huge deal.... or it's a bug.
Trying to do some analysis of game 2: 21:00 Reynor does his last push in game 2 before turtling. He starts off with a 9-worker disadvantage but 36 army supply to 9. Only 37 seconds later he dropped 17 army supply but killed 36 workers. The total supply was now 23 to 47 in Reynor's favor, and I thought the game was almost surely over. Yet with the upgrade advantage, good defensive positioning, and having 3 CCs, Maru was able to keep up with Reynor for the next 2 minutes until he started harassing Reynor with Marine drops. Somehow this game got turned around, and I'm curious if that was because Reynor didn't put enough pressure on Maru during those 2 minutes or if the supply was just extremely misleading due to the upgrade and CC advantage. I feel like if he could replay the game from the end of that push, there's something he could have done to quite easily win the game but I don't know what.
The first game Maru is ahead and stays ahead. The second game Maru is behind and claws his way back into the game and eventually wins. Maru was simply better on this day.
Reynor shouldve won the 2nd game...lost too many zerglings early on trying to force the fight at choke points was hig biggest mistake.....I do agree that the micro-intensive-requirement of Terrans are unforgiving for the player's wrists, hope Maru's wrists(?) remain healthy
Marus defense looked incredible I don't think it had a just chance to work at all. Starting with the scout of it all with the two helions and from there it was all auto pilot
I like Reynor a lot as a person, but as a player I am not a fan at all of his style. I wish he had more discipline, and was better at the macro game. He could be better than Serral, but he's just throws away so many units.
@@user-in7su4ws6kWhat do you mean? Ranged units naturally clump into death balls and you have to manually spread them against AOEs like Banes/Storms/Purification Novas etc.
Fungal growth does a tiny portion of the damage widow mines do. How about we patch the widow mine to do 20 damage like fungal and take away its friendly fire.
@@M0ebius because the Terran's units shouldnt be close to a WM target, but Zerglings/Banelings have to be close to a fungal target. Also, beyond that, Fungal's damage isnt noteworthy or really important. Its all about the slow. WMs are all about damage.
@@cousinpatsey2471 Correct. The point of fungals is to hold units in place while you destroy them with banelings. What I’m responding to is the claim that terran units arent designed to clump up when in fact all ranged units clump.
11:00 who is this chick - like - ZIP IT. WE ARE WATCHING THIS GAME NOT DARK vs ?? Obviously knows her stuff but casters in general need to walk the line. This is trash casting from this chick.
@@Kilo_Alpha_Deltayoure as dumb as OP and thats a hard quota to match ZG is a staple in sc2 and an example of why quotas are dumb as bricks; it makes people question perfectly reasonable hires, because companies tell them to to get Blackrock investments
that first game is just stupid tbh. Shows how zerg just needs a shit ton of queens to stop everything. Zero info? doenst matter. Banelings versus mech? doenst matter
@@ds8867 okay, my understanding of it was that you complain Zerg can't do without shitton of queens every game. Now I got it, all good. Is there even a downside of having too many queens?
Reynor didn't seem outclassed? Even on the 2nd game. Maru had been planning on a game of attrition early on like Frieren. He split the map in half. Reynor never had any hatchery beyond that 12 and 6 o clock. Over saturation. Out of Mana
@@zenartvonduke380 eventhough they haven't won gsl they are both good players reynor is week against maru and played more than 20min game straight toward before this match
Meanwhile Zergs whine that Reynor lost. Lol I like Reynor but in the first game he had no clue about what's happening, didn't scout the 3rd CC, didn't see the factories and if anything he saw a very late first factory and stim research. No clue! He realised what's going on when it literally hit him and well - yeah, queens did just okay.
These Terrans fanboys complain all the time about imba but when it's mentioned that Protoss needs a buff you're not anywhere to be found. Buff protoss > nerfing Zerg complaints from Terrans.
@@Tonius126 protoss dont been a buff the race is so easy and strong that everyone who plays it can play like total dog shit and still win, ill refer you to when terrans were doing 1 base builds vs protoss and it was instantly discovered how to win against it 100% of the time and yet protoss refused to do it even in tournaments, for an entire expansion it was a fucking coin toss whether or not they would play to win or play to lose and that has nothing to do with them needing a buff and everything to do with protoss being so disgustingly easy (like zerg) that its god awful dog shit players literally believe they should be able to do anything they want and still win or they need a buff
@@geuros it isnt that the queens did "ok" the queens stop literally any early damage or pressure from happening with only a handful of units needed to help against the most committed attacks making it a match up of you need to stop them from getting 5 bases but cant because queens beat anything you can do that early and by the time terrans can put an army together zerg has its eco, every upgrade an army and a bank... the fact that most zergs play to lose doesnt mean zerg is balanced, the race spent an entire expansion getting carried by a single unit and people (using the term loosely because they were zerg mains so they are only people by technicality) STILL said they need buffs, because zerg and protoss players are as stupid and bad as wow rogue players like whaaz who in the final season of shadowlands when 90% of teams had 1 or more combat rogues because they were so fucking broken you needed to have one or not even bother playing STILL said rogues needed buffs to be viable in arena...meanwhile warlocks had been out of the arena except for walriks who refused to play anything else and lost 100% of his games and chanimals who only came in as a sub some 25-30% of games and went about 50 50...so warlocks got nerfed 3 times that season
yes, because if queens couldn't stop early agression zergs would win literaly 0 games. Complaining that queens are good at defense is like complaining that terrans can make walls.
Good! overated Reynor gets destroyed by real players. Zerg still needs some macro nerf its just stupid as hell second game should have lost instantly after that 2 time failed cheese attemp. Damn OP race
You mean a World Champion with another final under his belt that has also taken many major titles over the last 4 years in which Maru can't even get out of the group stages is overrated? So, what does that make Maru which doesn't even exist at the national stage?
@@OnigoroshiZero pointless argument tbh. So many variables to consider: health issues, preparation, accommodations, psychological state. Reynor went to play GSL and didn't make past group stage. At the same time Maru had some early losses in big ESL tournament, and sensationally lost to Oliveira in finals. Some humility is good for Reynor though.
He is not quite Maru level when both are on their A game, but i would not say he is overrated. He is extremely good as both Zerg AND Protoss. It's just that he is young and cocky, and likes to run his mouth. 🤣
They should not cost 1 supply. Terrans need them to compete with Chrono and OP Queens. However, i think a MULE limit might not be out of the question (like limit to 10 or something) to make Terrans still require more SCVs in the late game.
Not really a Maru fan but it would be nice to see him finally win a world championship against Serral.
This is literally impossible. Maru can at best win a bo3 vs Serral once every 3-4 series they play.
If he couldn’t do it against Oliveira it’s hard to believe he could do it against serral. Unless he solves his choking issues he doesn’t have a chance
He doesn't need that to be the best Sc2 pro player of all times, the fkn goat
He could win, but tbh, he needs his A game. If I think of a player, that can win this, it's Cure and as a big biased Fan Heromarine deserves it.
@@someguy7474 Oliveira is on his way home
Great series! Both are incredible.
As a Terran player always cheering for Maru but reynor is a beast at this game
I love reynor's disposition. He might be down on himself these days but his chuckles after the fungle problems and maru stomping is just excellent
the first game holy moly. what a dominance.. this is the first time i see like this coming from terran proffesional. i am new to this series 😂
not many even pro player can do what Maru did on 1st game.
Dominance? Zerg has no info in that game but still holds a push by just building lots of queens. If that was pvt or tvt, in the first push it will be GG.
That's Maru for you. Short of Serral, he can dominate just about anyone - and even Serral is is not guaranteed victory if Maru gets a bank up, as many casters have noted.
Such an incredible set of matches!
29:18 The Marine on this awkward cliff takes 5 Ravager shots to kill. That +3 Terran armor vs the 0 Ranged Zerg upgrade diff is a huge deal.... or it's a bug.
Trying to do some analysis of game 2:
21:00 Reynor does his last push in game 2 before turtling. He starts off with a 9-worker disadvantage but 36 army supply to 9. Only 37 seconds later he dropped 17 army supply but killed 36 workers. The total supply was now 23 to 47 in Reynor's favor, and I thought the game was almost surely over. Yet with the upgrade advantage, good defensive positioning, and having 3 CCs, Maru was able to keep up with Reynor for the next 2 minutes until he started harassing Reynor with Marine drops.
Somehow this game got turned around, and I'm curious if that was because Reynor didn't put enough pressure on Maru during those 2 minutes or if the supply was just extremely misleading due to the upgrade and CC advantage. I feel like if he could replay the game from the end of that push, there's something he could have done to quite easily win the game but I don't know what.
Group D was savage
Maru always looks strong against anyone except Serral. It's crazy.
The 10 minute tank push, 10:00. 1st game..
Spoiler below:
The first game Maru is ahead and stays ahead. The second game Maru is behind and claws his way back into the game and eventually wins. Maru was simply better on this day.
Being behind but clawing your way back to victory is what Maru is known for.
Im a huge Reynor fan!!!!! Would like to see him win a world championship with protoss.
Lowko sounds so different when casting here xD
Reynor shouldve won the 2nd game...lost too many zerglings early on trying to force the fight at choke points was hig biggest mistake.....I do agree that the micro-intensive-requirement of Terrans are unforgiving for the player's wrists, hope Maru's wrists(?) remain healthy
Marus defense looked incredible I don't think it had a just chance to work at all. Starting with the scout of it all with the two helions and from there it was all auto pilot
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maru gaming expression is like "just another day in the office"
I swear he actually smiles more when he loses compared to when he wins
Who was casting this? Loco? Was tg 😂
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Damn, I just closed a comedy video and this thumbnail appeared, kind of surprising
I like Reynor a lot as a person, but as a player I am not a fan at all of his style. I wish he had more discipline, and was better at the macro game. He could be better than Serral, but he's just throws away so many units.
Cyclone: good unit
go maruuu
Maru is Reynor's cryptonite.
I thought the thumbnail was two chicks fighting mma or grappling 😅😅
I swear every time I see Ultras the zerg gets owned. So useless unless you're already way way ahead
O play in diamond. Then it is complete chaos and panic :D
Maru really outclassed Reynor here, that's why he is the GOAT
What does this make Serral
@@Dhomden A patch zerg
Sorry bro, Serral just cemented himself as the GOAT. Beating Maru in a premier event like IEM proves his dominance
@@Tscarp72 Cope, patch zergs dont get to call themselves great.
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I guess they need to wait until maru is sick again so they have their hope win again.
She's a great announcer! I also love these 2 together.
not even serral can overcome the baneling nerf
Im from the future
Serral cares 0%
If widow mines do friendly fire damage, why doesn’t fungal growth? 🧐
because terran units are ranged and arent supposed to be clumped up against their opponent by design.
@@user-in7su4ws6kWhat do you mean? Ranged units naturally clump into death balls and you have to manually spread them against AOEs like Banes/Storms/Purification Novas etc.
Fungal growth does a tiny portion of the damage widow mines do. How about we patch the widow mine to do 20 damage like fungal and take away its friendly fire.
@@M0ebius because the Terran's units shouldnt be close to a WM target, but Zerglings/Banelings have to be close to a fungal target.
Also, beyond that, Fungal's damage isnt noteworthy or really important. Its all about the slow. WMs are all about damage.
@@cousinpatsey2471 Correct. The point of fungals is to hold units in place while you destroy them with banelings. What I’m responding to is the claim that terran units arent designed to clump up when in fact all ranged units clump.
11:00 who is this chick - like - ZIP IT. WE ARE WATCHING THIS GAME NOT DARK vs ??
Obviously knows her stuff but casters in general need to walk the line. This is trash casting from this chick.
Spoiler buster comment
put pig casts to comment, period
Lowko is a good caster, the other is mediocre but selected to meet quotas....
nice subtle sexism
No, shes competent. I dont know why you're being weird about it.
@@Kilo_Alpha_Deltayoure as dumb as OP and thats a hard quota to match
ZG is a staple in sc2 and an example of why quotas are dumb as bricks; it makes people question perfectly reasonable hires, because companies tell them to to get Blackrock investments
Seeing terran win makes me hate starcraft
Nerfed Terran is still OP Terran. Terran is G@y
These casters are so biased... horrible casting.
that first game is just stupid tbh. Shows how zerg just needs a shit ton of queens to stop everything. Zero info? doenst matter. Banelings versus mech? doenst matter
Wtf did you watch. Maru went for quite bonkers opener and didn't get scouted at all. Doesn't matter, Zerg with no info can still comfortably hold
@@geuros mate you just repeated what i said
@@ds8867 okay, my understanding of it was that you complain Zerg can't do without shitton of queens every game. Now I got it, all good. Is there even a downside of having too many queens?
Buff Protoss. Mules are stupid, nerf mary sue ghost.
@@geuroscant counter attack in early game?
Reynor didn't seem outclassed? Even on the 2nd game. Maru had been planning on a game of attrition early on like Frieren.
He split the map in half. Reynor never had any hatchery beyond that 12 and 6 o clock. Over saturation. Out of Mana
No spoilers please, I didn't even want to read any comments this was on top...
Reynor played long games against showtime guess that's why he lost so bad
@@user-yg6fj7fi7v reynor never won a single GSL nor showtime. His excuse for that was he wants race picking. Now he is tired.
@@zenartvonduke380 eventhough they haven't won gsl they are both good players
reynor is week against maru and played more than 20min game straight toward before this match
@@user-yg6fj7fi7v i believe almost everyone in in code S can last more than 20 minutes and even won even a single match.
hate ita
the game is such a joke. queens beat every fucking terran unit hands down except thor and bc ...so nerf terran
Meanwhile Zergs whine that Reynor lost. Lol I like Reynor but in the first game he had no clue about what's happening, didn't scout the 3rd CC, didn't see the factories and if anything he saw a very late first factory and stim research. No clue! He realised what's going on when it literally hit him and well - yeah, queens did just okay.
These Terrans fanboys complain all the time about imba but when it's mentioned that Protoss needs a buff you're not anywhere to be found.
Buff protoss > nerfing Zerg complaints from Terrans.
@@Tonius126 protoss dont been a buff the race is so easy and strong that everyone who plays it can play like total dog shit and still win, ill refer you to when terrans were doing 1 base builds vs protoss and it was instantly discovered how to win against it 100% of the time and yet protoss refused to do it even in tournaments, for an entire expansion it was a fucking coin toss whether or not they would play to win or play to lose and that has nothing to do with them needing a buff and everything to do with protoss being so disgustingly easy (like zerg) that its god awful dog shit players literally believe they should be able to do anything they want and still win or they need a buff
@@geuros it isnt that the queens did "ok" the queens stop literally any early damage or pressure from happening with only a handful of units needed to help against the most committed attacks making it a match up of you need to stop them from getting 5 bases but cant because queens beat anything you can do that early and by the time terrans can put an army together zerg has its eco, every upgrade an army and a bank... the fact that most zergs play to lose doesnt mean zerg is balanced, the race spent an entire expansion getting carried by a single unit and people (using the term loosely because they were zerg mains so they are only people by technicality) STILL said they need buffs, because zerg and protoss players are as stupid and bad as wow rogue players like whaaz who in the final season of shadowlands when 90% of teams had 1 or more combat rogues because they were so fucking broken you needed to have one or not even bother playing STILL said rogues needed buffs to be viable in arena...meanwhile warlocks had been out of the arena except for walriks who refused to play anything else and lost 100% of his games and chanimals who only came in as a sub some 25-30% of games and went about 50 50...so warlocks got nerfed 3 times that season
yes, because if queens couldn't stop early agression zergs would win literaly 0 games. Complaining that queens are good at defense is like complaining that terrans can make walls.
Zombie grub spoils a different series every time she cast 😡😂
Zombie casts like she's has little knowledge about the game. No idea how she gets these gigs.
Annoying as hell
Good! overated Reynor gets destroyed by real players. Zerg still needs some macro nerf its just stupid as hell second game should have lost instantly after that 2 time failed cheese attemp. Damn OP race
You mean a World Champion with another final under his belt that has also taken many major titles over the last 4 years in which Maru can't even get out of the group stages is overrated?
So, what does that make Maru which doesn't even exist at the national stage?
@@OnigoroshiZero pointless argument tbh. So many variables to consider: health issues, preparation, accommodations, psychological state. Reynor went to play GSL and didn't make past group stage. At the same time Maru had some early losses in big ESL tournament, and sensationally lost to Oliveira in finals.
Some humility is good for Reynor though.
He is not quite Maru level when both are on their A game, but i would not say he is overrated. He is extremely good as both Zerg AND Protoss. It's just that he is young and cocky, and likes to run his mouth. 🤣
Mules are so unfair. Make it make sense. They should seriously at least cost 1 supply
Banes should too
Banes were nerfed
LLOOLL
Buff Protoss! Nerf the mary sue ghost.
They should not cost 1 supply. Terrans need them to compete with Chrono and OP Queens. However, i think a MULE limit might not be out of the question (like limit to 10 or something) to make Terrans still require more SCVs in the late game.