I breed Angel fish. I love it. Just restarted after 25 years with no fish. In the 90's I was running 150 tanks. I started buy asking the corner store what they had trouble getting. They pointed me to Angel's and cory cats. But you need to have a place to get rid of them first before you breed them.
My uncle was one of the largest bird breeders in the United States. He always said when you deal in livestock, you deal in deadstock. The pet industry is a tough business.
I've bred zebra finches, mice, rats, and Roborovski dwarf hamsters, but none of these on a large scale. I was fortunate enough to live in a community with a few locally-owned pet shops, and it did help cover the cost of feeding my other animals. I would love, love, LOVE to start breeding fish, shrimp, plants, whatever. The basement here would make an awesome fish room. I think I would target shrimp and perhaps a few varieties of fancy guppies. Bettas would be fun, but extremely labor-intensive, I'm guessing, because of having to cup all the babies when they start growing.
I hobby bred various finches: zebras, lady gouldians, owl finches, javas etc. Also guinea pigs, gerbils, cockatiels and quails. The sales paid for the hobby. Of course there was the cost of keeping animals throughout their lifespan beyond breeding age. That's why I kept it as a hobby, I got to attached and cold sell babies but not the older adults.
Guys, the "Tank Talk" episodes are amazing. Thank you SO much for all the information. You both are extremely knowledgeable of the hobby and your passion shows though. I appreciate your experience and skills each of you pass along. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!
This is the podcast I’ve been searching for my entire life! Great mix of aquaculture information and real life examples. You both have great chemistry and presentation ability. Thank you for all the work you put in!!!
I’ve watched almost every episode but I think this is my favorite. It’s so wonderful hearing John talk about his adventures with his wife in fish breeding and opening a store.
I would have been one of those 5 or 6 people who didn't raise their hand. I have never intentionally tried to breed anything. That's not to say it hasn't happened, but it's a situation where I let the fish determine who lives and who becomes a part of the circle of life.
Yep that confirms it, I’m a hobbyist and I don’t have space or funds to expand into other buildings and I would love to make a living creating and hosting a show due to health limitations entering the workplace. It is not the news I would want but it is what I need to hear and know. Time to polish off the old resume
Great Information! I’m the fool that loves the hobby and breeding fish but doesn’t like selling them. I typically just give them away. It can still be a PITA.
I'm enjoying this podcast. I never thought about starting my own store. But between the ages of ten in eighteen I did sell fish to the local fish stores in minneapolis, saint paul. And there were a lot of em! Never got much, but when one considers that would have been between 1961 and 69. Well, things were a lot cheaper than. Betas, corys,danios, mollys and more. There were many, many mom and pop stores in the Twin Cities. And I could sell the betas no problem. I never got much for them but it was a hobby after all. I did get some real money for some of the albinos. Molly's. For, example like sold like crazy as we're completely uncommon then.
Hello Jason, You are so right with the guppy's story, happens to me as a hobbyist. It can also happen with shrimps. Therefore, I can recommend buying from a local breeder if possible. It's worth the more money!
This is a great thing guys! I enjoy both of you and learned so much! Seeing Jason at the QC swaps! Thank you for all the info. That is a dream of mine to own a store one day, but great info shared!
That's really interesting what you said about bristle nose plecos because at one time I was gifted a 20gal long from a friend who was moving. It had some typical community fish and an explosion of bristle nose. A lfs was very happy to buy my babies (I had a long standing relationship with the store because over the years I was breeding finches, and other small animals and he always trusted that my animals were clean and healthy). He told me he preferred buying ( or store credit depending what was worked out) from local breeders. When you mentioned about certain fish not shipping well that reminded me of what the bird stores said about certain finches. One of the factors with finches is their limited number of breeding years within their lifespan. I wonder if fish also get too old to breed and what do people do with the retired breeders?
59:04 that sounds nice but in reality how many stores and business owners actually will buy from anyone other than wholesalers? Corporate America doesn't care about how many die or the impact to the hobby/industry/society, all thet care about is making money thru the least amount of work while keeping the average person out of it. They care about money until an individual can make them more money than another corp or until it actually helps people in any way.
Exactly, few stores will buy and even if they do they don't need ten people to bring them the same fish. Very few people will be able to do this. Don't know where all these youtubers live that they (think they can) sell lot's of guppys to serveral stores but it does not seem to be anywhere near reality.
51:31 i thot that as long as I get $1 out of every fush that would be pretty good so selling them for half retail price at a swap doesn't sound bad to me.
Isabel was my first out of state emergency restoration opportunity. She slammed Philadelphia, and we spent 19 days straight out there, working 16 hour shifts. That was... 2003?
It has taken 5 years to get my fishroom where it’s at now, it’s still not complete. But I will say the breeding has definitely covered 90% of expenses. Being in lower Alabama we don’t get weather that is too cold. It keeps me busy, the kids enjoy it and I have fun with it. Definitely not looking to be a business just a hobbyist who enjoys the process!
Jason, I'm casting this onto my TV set I'm wondering if you can't tone the lights down a little bit in the back. On my phone I can see the top two tanks, but I can't see the low boy too much glare. I can't see well the 3 tanks, casting it to the T. V. Just to suggestion enjoying the podcast.
Getting into the "business" has always been a dream and will always be a dream. It is a fun dream, however. I just want to be able to handle getting rid of the fry, the never ending supply of fry lol
Yeah as a Frenchie breeder alot of this applies i love the dogs and breeding dogs and taking care of puppies and they were worth Thousands when i started.. and now the market is so saturated because everyone is breeding French bulldogs now
John, Jason … advice, opinions, options please…what is the quietest air pump that can run 4 sponge filters ? The buzzing can drive you nuts. Had a paw fly, and now a tetra but still annoying …help, suggestions please
In Southern California where I'm breeding, Bristlenose are really hard to find and survive the first week in our water. So I'm finding that Bristlenose are super valuable in my area. Especially longfin and other color varieties. If it came down to breeding my favorite fish it would be angels. But like you said, I can't get rid of angels because stores just won't take them all.
Are you in the LA area? I'm in San Diego and our club has so many bristle nose at most meets that no one really bids. There is sometimes more rare stuff, like a dragon something or other (no idea, I'm a nano fish and shrimp person😅) that went for like $8. Or you're going for specific rare types like all the L numbers?
@@laurabustos6560 I'm in Orange County just south of LA. We pretty much only have a couple of clubs with about 100 people. If you go looking for Bristlenose in the stores, you're either not going to find any, or they're going to be upwards of 50 to 60 bucks for a longfin adult.
@@davidglover7949 oh, I was going to ask about any good clubs in southern Orange county. I'm like 20 minutes from Temecula, in northern San Diego. Do you sell or just hobby breed? And if you do sell, do you do any shrimp or nano fish? I'm always looking for a good hobbyist/ breeder close enough to ship easily and with west coast water, not Florida or the Midwest. ✌️
@@laurabustos6560 COAST is the only club I've been to. It's difficult for me to go to meetings recently though as I have small kids and not much time. I do have a fishroom of about 20 tanks and I casually sell to a couple of stores. I'm transitioning away from guppies and focusing on Bristlenose, Medakas, and Neocaridinas. Might try rainbows soon.
@@laurabustos6560 COAST is the only one I've really been to. I'm a dad to two small kids so it's rare to have 4+ uninterrupted hours to sit in an auction. At the moment I casually sell plecos and neocaridinas to a couple of stores. I'm adding ricefish to the mix now that I've had some breeding success there.
Lol I got 2 breeding trios of guppies. Got 2 10 gals and 2 20 highs. Then I looked it up and saw how many tanks just for one strain... panicked. Now I have 2 more 10s all they had in stock and an industrial rack on the way to house all the tanks. I bit off more then I can chew but I'm not worried lol.
I just got my 60 gallon mbuna. I am under-impressed, as I purchased these "animals" online, unfortunately! several died shortly after arrival. The rest hid in the rocks I provided and hardly ever came out. Can you imagine? Lol. Looking into Parrot fish and another cichlid, Angelfish. I also have a 29-gallon smaller fish community tank.
I can have a terrible day at my day job but I get home and see a fresh hatch or the fry swimming around the tank I forget what about the day sucked. My angelfish and kribensis have been great parents. However lately my angels have been leaving their eggs to spoil or just eat them, any ideas?
I myself try finding fish that don't breed easily... I don't want any fish babies in my tanks... Maybe I'm just different but I've never been excited about fish breeding...
Sorry, but I'm cracking up at the idea that guppy fry are ever a surprise to anyone with a boy, a girl, and water. 🤣 The ironic thing about trying to sell "unsellable," drably-colored female fish is that on a couple of forums I've looked at, there are people searching high and low for a female scarlet badis or two for their male, and the word is they're next to impossible to get. Is that the case, or are people just looking in the wrong places? 500 aquariums!?! Holy wow.
You are correct, I cant outcompete those huge farms here even if i were to provide the best fish in the entire universe, can't beat those prices and the cost for initial investments or maintenance feels like someone going into debt for "education". And my time put into it is probably worth 0.00001 cents/hour. You basically work like a slave and then you have the nonsense from trying to compete against giants of the importation business.
I sell my cull caridina shrimp once a month and make 30 bucks. It's cool to make a little cash for gas, but i dont think I could ever make it a full-time thing. It might ruin the hobby for me.
Well I for one think you are both very handsome men and your wives are very lucky women and and I'm sure you are very lucky men to also have beautiful wives 😊
Rarely one way to do anything. I live on a ranch and the way we raise beef is way outside the norm. Not how I would recommend and not how most would even want to but we carved out a niche because we had few options 35 years ago when we lost a herd due to disease and had to figure out something. It works for us cause we had to figure out how to make it work but one in 500,000 ranchers would even want to even try it.
Well you would care about where they are bred and how and what you pay for them if you care about the system you are a part of and don't want to feed into the race to the bottom. Meaning people should be willing to pay adequately for products/animals produced by people local rather than corporations or people in other countries who's cost of living is basically nothing and who most of the time don't see most of the money either. We need to stop sending money outside of our communities and keep it within them. Go back to paying people who are local for quality things rather than a cheap thing someone had made halfway around the world. Thats one of the biggest problems I have woth Americans is that they always have their heads in the sand. They completely miss what is right in front of them seemingly on purpose. Like nobody ever sees it as a red flag that something that is highly manufactured, or processed in the case of foods, and transported around the world costs less than if you made it yourself or something similar yourself. That's a sign that something is wrong and at the very least someone is probably getting raw dogged like a MF! And corporations make money, that's what they are in business for or else they wouldn't be, so the corporations in this area make tons of money but often times its the people that do the work that never see the money and thats the problem. Thats also why I dispise people who just sell other people's products - wholesalers, transshippers all the people that just buy fish and sell them a few weeks later rather than selling the fish they breed. They are beneath those that produce not the other way around so I find it messed up that its seen as just the way it is to mark up prices 3-5× yet they never want to pay the people making the stuff even enough to live. Like I don't think someone should have to produce 50k+ fish a month just to pay the bills but thats also tied a lot to cost of living here or the price of land/housing.
I breed Angel fish. I love it. Just restarted after 25 years with no fish. In the 90's I was running 150 tanks. I started buy asking the corner store what they had trouble getting. They pointed me to Angel's and cory cats. But you need to have a place to get rid of them first before you breed them.
Two legends from two of my favorite channels on TH-cam. What a time to be alive.
I breed and sell Killifish on a small scale for fun and because they are very hard to find in fishstores in Canada.
“Human sacrifice! Dogs and cats living together! Mass hysteria!"
Listen..do you smell something? Love Ghostbusters 🙌
My uncle was one of the largest bird breeders in the United States. He always said when you deal in livestock, you deal in deadstock. The pet industry is a tough business.
I've bred zebra finches, mice, rats, and Roborovski dwarf hamsters, but none of these on a large scale. I was fortunate enough to live in a community with a few locally-owned pet shops, and it did help cover the cost of feeding my other animals. I would love, love, LOVE to start breeding fish, shrimp, plants, whatever. The basement here would make an awesome fish room. I think I would target shrimp and perhaps a few varieties of fancy guppies. Bettas would be fun, but extremely labor-intensive, I'm guessing, because of having to cup all the babies when they start growing.
That's just bc of how it's done. There is no care for the animals so no wonder they get killed.
I hobby bred various finches: zebras, lady gouldians, owl finches, javas etc. Also guinea pigs, gerbils, cockatiels and quails. The sales paid for the hobby. Of course there was the cost of keeping animals throughout their lifespan beyond breeding age. That's why I kept it as a hobby, I got to attached and cold sell babies but not the older adults.
Completely agree, I breed fish to make it a free hobby.
I have followed you both for two years now as I got back into the hobby after nearly 40 years!
Great show guys!!
Guys, the "Tank Talk" episodes are amazing. Thank you SO much for all the information. You both are extremely knowledgeable of the hobby and your passion shows though. I appreciate your experience and skills each of you pass along. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!
This is the podcast I’ve been searching for my entire life! Great mix of aquaculture information and real life examples. You both have great chemistry and presentation ability. Thank you for all the work you put in!!!
Awesome! Thank you!
Awesome talk
Love me some Tank Talk Podcast. :)
I’ve watched almost every episode but I think this is my favorite. It’s so wonderful hearing John talk about his adventures with his wife in fish breeding and opening a store.
That lowboy is the craziest thing I’ve seen. It’s an amazing footprint for fish not needing tall water.
Excellent podcast! Great topic and discussion. Thank you,guys! You both helped to confirm what my thoughts were on breeding for profit.
This video was absolutely awesome, well done fellas
This was helpful!
I would have been one of those 5 or 6 people who didn't raise their hand. I have never intentionally tried to breed anything. That's not to say it hasn't happened, but it's a situation where I let the fish determine who lives and who becomes a part of the circle of life.
Love watching you two. Keep it up-great job!! 🐠
You guys are killing it!🎉❤
That story about the tanks the 13 year old was selling is insane! What a lucky find for you!!
Two legends of the hobby ❤
Yep that confirms it, I’m a hobbyist and I don’t have space or funds to expand into other buildings and I would love to make a living creating and hosting a show due to health limitations entering the workplace. It is not the news I would want but it is what I need to hear and know. Time to polish off the old resume
Great Information! I’m the fool that loves the hobby and breeding fish but doesn’t like selling them. I typically just give them away. It can still be a PITA.
Great discussion. I am at the stage of the “business” where I have not yet turned a profit but I am learning and really enjoying the process.
I'm enjoying this podcast. I never thought about starting my own store. But between the ages of ten in eighteen I did sell fish to the local fish stores in minneapolis, saint paul. And there were a lot of em! Never got much, but when one considers that would have been between 1961 and 69. Well, things were a lot cheaper than.
Betas, corys,danios, mollys and more. There were many, many mom and pop stores in the Twin Cities. And I could sell the betas no problem. I never got much for them but it was a hobby after all. I did get some real money for some of the albinos. Molly's. For, example like sold like crazy as we're completely uncommon then.
I should be studying for my Linear Algebra exam yet here I am watching this podcast. Thank you for the interesting discussion!
Nice back drop! Going backwards on the episodes and learning new things all the time haha
Woohoo!
Hello Jason,
You are so right with the guppy's story, happens to me as a hobbyist.
It can also happen with shrimps.
Therefore, I can recommend buying from a local breeder if possible. It's worth the more money!
This is a great thing guys! I enjoy both of you and learned so much! Seeing Jason at the QC swaps! Thank you for all the info. That is a dream of mine to own a store one day, but great info shared!
Great meeting you too - Jason
That's really interesting what you said about bristle nose plecos because at one time I was gifted a 20gal long from a friend who was moving. It had some typical community fish and an explosion of bristle nose. A lfs was very happy to buy my babies (I had a long standing relationship with the store because over the years I was breeding finches, and other small animals and he always trusted that my animals were clean and healthy). He told me he preferred buying ( or store credit depending what was worked out) from local breeders. When you mentioned about certain fish not shipping well that reminded me of what the bird stores said about certain finches.
One of the factors with finches is their limited number of breeding years within their lifespan. I wonder if fish also get too old to breed and what do people do with the retired breeders?
59:04 that sounds nice but in reality how many stores and business owners actually will buy from anyone other than wholesalers? Corporate America doesn't care about how many die or the impact to the hobby/industry/society, all thet care about is making money thru the least amount of work while keeping the average person out of it. They care about money until an individual can make them more money than another corp or until it actually helps people in any way.
Exactly, few stores will buy and even if they do they don't need ten people to bring them the same fish. Very few people will be able to do this. Don't know where all these youtubers live that they (think they can) sell lot's of guppys to serveral stores but it does not seem to be anywhere near reality.
51:31 i thot that as long as I get $1 out of every fush that would be pretty good so selling them for half retail price at a swap doesn't sound bad to me.
Isabel was my first out of state emergency restoration opportunity. She slammed Philadelphia, and we spent 19 days straight out there, working 16 hour shifts. That was... 2003?
It has taken 5 years to get my fishroom where it’s at now, it’s still not complete. But I will say the breeding has definitely covered 90% of expenses. Being in lower Alabama we don’t get weather that is too cold. It keeps me busy, the kids enjoy it and I have fun with it. Definitely not looking to be a business just a hobbyist who enjoys the process!
Anyhoo, in addition to the below comment, I think you guys are very informative and I very much appreciate your communication of breeding fish.
I Love this thing as hobby because buying the fish and putting them in the tank is fun .😂😂🎉😂🎉
Jason, I'm casting this onto my TV set I'm wondering if you can't tone the lights down a little bit in the back. On my phone I can see the top two tanks, but I can't see the low boy too much glare. I can't see well the 3 tanks, casting it to the T. V. Just to suggestion enjoying the podcast.
Getting into the "business" has always been a dream and will always be a dream. It is a fun dream, however. I just want to be able to handle getting rid of the fry, the never ending supply of fry lol
It's great getting different views on the same subject.
When did you guys start TH-cam?
Yeah as a Frenchie breeder alot of this applies i love the dogs and breeding dogs and taking care of puppies and they were worth Thousands when i started.. and now the market is so saturated because everyone is breeding French bulldogs now
John, Jason … advice, opinions, options please…what is the quietest air pump that can run 4 sponge filters ? The buzzing can drive you nuts. Had a paw fly, and now a tetra but still annoying …help, suggestions please
Hard to say long term - they all tend to get louder with time?
@@TheTankTalkPodcast then I saw a video about putting a towel under….works good enough for me.
Really appreciate you guys replying to silly questions
In Southern California where I'm breeding, Bristlenose are really hard to find and survive the first week in our water. So I'm finding that Bristlenose are super valuable in my area. Especially longfin and other color varieties. If it came down to breeding my favorite fish it would be angels. But like you said, I can't get rid of angels because stores just won't take them all.
Are you in the LA area? I'm in San Diego and our club has so many bristle nose at most meets that no one really bids. There is sometimes more rare stuff, like a dragon something or other (no idea, I'm a nano fish and shrimp person😅) that went for like $8. Or you're going for specific rare types like all the L numbers?
@@laurabustos6560 I'm in Orange County just south of LA. We pretty much only have a couple of clubs with about 100 people. If you go looking for Bristlenose in the stores, you're either not going to find any, or they're going to be upwards of 50 to 60 bucks for a longfin adult.
@@davidglover7949 oh, I was going to ask about any good clubs in southern Orange county. I'm like 20 minutes from Temecula, in northern San Diego. Do you sell or just hobby breed? And if you do sell, do you do any shrimp or nano fish? I'm always looking for a good hobbyist/ breeder close enough to ship easily and with west coast water, not Florida or the Midwest. ✌️
@@laurabustos6560 COAST is the only club I've been to. It's difficult for me to go to meetings recently though as I have small kids and not much time. I do have a fishroom of about 20 tanks and I casually sell to a couple of stores. I'm transitioning away from guppies and focusing on Bristlenose, Medakas, and Neocaridinas. Might try rainbows soon.
@@laurabustos6560 COAST is the only one I've really been to. I'm a dad to two small kids so it's rare to have 4+ uninterrupted hours to sit in an auction. At the moment I casually sell plecos and neocaridinas to a couple of stores. I'm adding ricefish to the mix now that I've had some breeding success there.
Would you ever have guests on in the future? It'd be cool to hear you guys talk with people like aquarium co-op and others in the hobby.
Guests will be happening!
Lol I got 2 breeding trios of guppies. Got 2 10 gals and 2 20 highs. Then I looked it up and saw how many tanks just for one strain... panicked. Now I have 2 more 10s all they had in stock and an industrial rack on the way to house all the tanks. I bit off more then I can chew but I'm not worried lol.
I just got my 60 gallon mbuna. I am under-impressed, as I purchased these "animals" online, unfortunately! several died shortly after arrival. The rest hid in the rocks I provided and hardly ever came out. Can you imagine? Lol. Looking into Parrot fish and another cichlid, Angelfish. I also have a 29-gallon smaller fish community tank.
Great job gentlemen! I just got 12 Cherry Red Tetras, thought I might breed in the near future. ?
Those would be a good one!
I can have a terrible day at my day job but I get home and see a fresh hatch or the fry swimming around the tank I forget what about the day sucked. My angelfish and kribensis have been great parents. However lately my angels have been leaving their eggs to spoil or just eat them, any ideas?
I would remove them and tumble them or if it is a piece of slate - a little airstone and some methylene blue works wonders in a small hatching tank.
I want my Rummynose Rasboras to breed so I can have moar Rummynose Rasboras! They are my favorite!
People forget this is a business
If not having a main income don’t even try to do that
It’s expensive and not always profitable
I myself try finding fish that don't breed easily... I don't want any fish babies in my tanks... Maybe I'm just different but I've never been excited about fish breeding...
A great topic but I really think you should have included sources to be able to research from people who know what they are talking about...
Breeding fish for sharing?
78 and 82 degrees? Jason, I would melt in your house.
Ya it’s a little warm 😀
Sorry, but I'm cracking up at the idea that guppy fry are ever a surprise to anyone with a boy, a girl, and water. 🤣
The ironic thing about trying to sell "unsellable," drably-colored female fish is that on a couple of forums I've looked at, there are people searching high and low for a female scarlet badis or two for their male, and the word is they're next to impossible to get. Is that the case, or are people just looking in the wrong places?
500 aquariums!?! Holy wow.
Great pod. Only thing I’d say is you just explain your thought process a little too much 🎉
You are correct, I cant outcompete those huge farms here even if i were to provide the best fish in the entire universe, can't beat those prices and the cost for initial investments or maintenance feels like someone going into debt for "education". And my time put into it is probably worth 0.00001 cents/hour. You basically work like a slave and then you have the nonsense from trying to compete against giants of the importation business.
I sell my cull caridina shrimp once a month and make 30 bucks. It's cool to make a little cash for gas, but i dont think I could ever make it a full-time thing. It might ruin the hobby for me.
Only if you breed rare unheard of fish with highly specialized care that nobody knows about, oh and they must be silver
I can’t imagine keeping my house at 78F, I would be miserable.
We got used to it 😀
Well I for one think you are both very handsome men and your wives are very lucky women and and I'm sure you are very lucky men to also have beautiful wives 😊
To be fair I make $30/ hour delivering pizza so I'm not sure that's a fair comparison 😂
If i lived in a “blaming 82 degree” house, I would be soooo sleepy
And haven’t made a dime
I’ve broken every rule you two are talking about and we are only 19 minutes into the video
Rarely one way to do anything. I live on a ranch and the way we raise beef is way outside the norm. Not how I would recommend and not how most would even want to but we carved out a niche because we had few options 35 years ago when we lost a herd due to disease and had to figure out something. It works for us cause we had to figure out how to make it work but one in 500,000 ranchers would even want to even try it.
Well you would care about where they are bred and how and what you pay for them if you care about the system you are a part of and don't want to feed into the race to the bottom. Meaning people should be willing to pay adequately for products/animals produced by people local rather than corporations or people in other countries who's cost of living is basically nothing and who most of the time don't see most of the money either. We need to stop sending money outside of our communities and keep it within them. Go back to paying people who are local for quality things rather than a cheap thing someone had made halfway around the world.
Thats one of the biggest problems I have woth Americans is that they always have their heads in the sand. They completely miss what is right in front of them seemingly on purpose. Like nobody ever sees it as a red flag that something that is highly manufactured, or processed in the case of foods, and transported around the world costs less than if you made it yourself or something similar yourself. That's a sign that something is wrong and at the very least someone is probably getting raw dogged like a MF! And corporations make money, that's what they are in business for or else they wouldn't be, so the corporations in this area make tons of money but often times its the people that do the work that never see the money and thats the problem. Thats also why I dispise people who just sell other people's products - wholesalers, transshippers all the people that just buy fish and sell them a few weeks later rather than selling the fish they breed. They are beneath those that produce not the other way around so I find it messed up that its seen as just the way it is to mark up prices 3-5× yet they never want to pay the people making the stuff even enough to live. Like I don't think someone should have to produce 50k+ fish a month just to pay the bills but thats also tied a lot to cost of living here or the price of land/housing.
Agree…John, talking WAY TO MUCH!!
Story of my life ha ha (John)
Love the channels and the podcast, I'm learning a ton.@@TheTankTalkPodcast