A-Leagues: $140m wasted and the top flight's existential crisis | Saving Football
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- A-Leagues: $140m wasted and the top flight's existential crisis | Saving Football
The domestic league, thanks to the epic failures of APL management, are in a recession. Dangerously so for some clubs, who may not make it through winter. Clubs are bleeding money, the APL can’t even cover the salary cap with distributions down. So what now? How do clubs not wither on the vine?
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It's so refreshing seeing the old crew back again. We haven't had any honest conversations about the game in the media and on camera for years. And we're all the poorer for it.
This is so nostalgic seeing these guys back together like on FoxSports after a weekend of a-league matches and leading into the premier league matches for the night. It honestly felt like a-league was on its way back then to something special. It’s very sad where our league is at right now and we need passionate people like these guys making the big decisions
This series needs to go viral. So. Much. Truth.
We need it to be a regular show with these guys
I stopped watching the A-league when it left Foxtel. Only Foxtel can save this league with the huge exposure. I was never going to pay any extra money to watch the A-League on another streaming platform.
Foxtel/Fox Sport didn't want football but that is also because the NRL and AFL didn't want it to get bigger.
Foxtel screwed over the league massively though
The same Foxtel that were running adds telling people to switch over to the cricket?
@jamesnaylor9820
That's nonsense.
The game was never bigger or stronger then when it was on Foxtel. Remember the crowds on Derby days and the big wsw crowds 20k+
That was all because of the exposure got on Foxtel.
Now look at it rubbish quality every.
@2theCore777 nothing nonsense about it, it's a fact foxtel were running adds for the cricket during A League game's saying switch over now for the cricket.
I was at the elimination final on Sunday night, and as a Victory fan I will never forget the thrills and spills. But one thing did bother me - the swathe of green seats. A lot of people who would have come to this fixture five or ten years ago didn’t bother. Fair to say few of them would have bothered turning on the TV, and that’s if they KNEW the match was on.
9 years ago, the same two teams played a prelim at Docklands in front of a sellout crowd. It sent a shockwave through the Melbourne sporting establishment.
One important priority is to get those fans back, or at least find out why they aren’t bothering anymore. You can’t fix a problem without diagnosing it correctly. The clubs would have databases of members who didn’t renew, or people who bought tickets but never committed to membership. Reach out to them and LISTEN TO THEM!
I went to see many games.. I watch my team, i go with my boys , i keep to myself and do not cause any trouble, you would say i am your typical fan .. But, i no longer go.. The NSW Police over the years have done a great job of making sure that any kind of our own football culture has zero chance of developing.. I have seen them severely punish the smallest of infringements , harmless banners , hand gestures , bad language or any kind of non aprooved self expression. Sure you cannot allow people to light flares or start fights but, It has been heavy handed and its a huge turn off for me as i go there to see the atmosphere of the crowd as well as the game , So to me the atmosphere is almost completely dead at most games now.. and if that wasn't bad enough, The venues are designed to suck as much money out of you as possible without providing much in return, So after shelling out often hundreds of dollars for a night with my boys to see a very average game with a below average crowd , i'm starting to ask myself why am i doing this? .. So i no longer do.. i still watch some games on TV but that's it
@muzzsteam2869 you ate the problem you wrote it yourself and called it our culture. It's not Australian culture and our stadiums have behaviour standards hence the police toss you out for abusive language or behaviour there's a number fans can call to put you in. Also that's cameras I'm sure picked up something they did to get tossed out but to you it would look like they just walked in and were heavy handed camera doesn't lie. Copycat try hard ultras is all you are. The league don't want it nor do the family's who want to go home safe. But you call it fun.
@@roo1773 sorry you feel that way Mr roo.. nobody likes antisocial behaviour at games especially not me with my two junior boys in tow.. i want the games to be safe , of course .. and you are making some baseless assumptions there about myself that are untrue .. I want to see unstifeld free expression by the fans , and not the police state in action , and there is little of that at the games , The quality of the teams are already 2nd rate compared to other leagues around the world so they need a strong fan base ..So i'm sorry but maybe your right, maybe i am part of the problem because people like me and others like me have chosen to not spend their money and stay home instead.. and honestly .. i don't miss it.. have a nice day
the reason why i never returned hmmm,
I m from Brisbane and i couldn't stand supporting a club which had no tradition and no value, i could never associate with the name or the orange colour they picked, the club, the name, the colour has nothing to do with Brisbane or Queensland or the football history in this city,
My 2nd issues is with the US format they chose for this sport, from establishing franchises with some quirky names, instead of clubs of value and heritage, the competition format without a 2nd division and completely pointless mid-season lower table fixtures without a relegation battle, the entire play off garbage, i never understood, is winning the league better than winning the play offs?
My 3rd issues is how our networks are completely disinterested in covering Asian Champions League and having no desire to promote intercontinental competition...
Another problem i have is getting to games, the bus network in Brisbane is connected via Shopping Centres, i would pick up my mates on Sunday afternoon drive to a local shopping center, leave the car there and catch the bus together....well the shopping centers are barricaded and you can't park there anymore,
So what have i been doing for the past 10 years? Watching local football, we have few really good divisions here in Brisbane, we drive up to games get some hot food and enjoy that real raw football ground experience, trust me when i say this, it feels so good turning up to some local league where you can smell the grass, stand on the sideline, order some hot food and joke around with your mates and yell out some dumb commentary than it is to catch a bus and go to some concrete jungle, turn around and go back home....
We copied that Rugby League model and it sucks, i want Brisbane Roar to be renamed Brisbane City, we want a maroon colour kits, QLD Rail or something like that as a sponsor and let's bring some life into this competition, 2nd division is now starting and i m excited about that and let's build this competition properly the way the Germans and English and French did it and throw that cheap lifeless American model in the bin...and we will return.
A lot of families with young kids are worried about derby games since the pitch invasion / violence. Melb Victory ultras are passionate but you can't leave a player with a bleeding head, run riot over the ground, without it having flow on effects. For the record, I was at the game at the south end. Everyone was shocked and confused for half an hour at least, before we knew the game had been called off. Kids were genuinely terrified. Some were worried about safely leaving the ground if there were more fights outside the stadium.
Robbie you're such an underrated guru of football in Australia, mate. Thank you for being here to offer your insights. You do speak for a lot of us because you're grounded in reality. Also, Boz, you know you're a champ. But if everyone in Aus doesn't get around Adam Peacock for being our voice, you're kidding yourselves. This is a fan. Listen to him. Let him speak for us and support him when he does every single time.
Thanks gents.
When the league formed they put it on pay TV. It was 05/06, they needed to put it on Free to air, and not take the foxtel cash. Wider exposure for a new league. We never really grew the fan base.
foxtel took it to bury it. afl and nrl dont want to see football competing with them
Truth is, the A-League was better when it was managed by the FFA. The FFA tried to warn us.....too many people sided with handing over control to the greedy clubs owners....including Boz. Lesson to be learnt....be careful what you wish for!
And Boz.....still carping on about how Australian football has to copy the world with promotion & relegation and playing in winter. You want to compete in the winter....look how great Union is going competing with the other 2 leading codes......it can't, most people don't even know that Union is on.
Boz was whining about relegation & playing in winter & therefore repeatedly kicked the A-League in the guts when he was on FoxSports.......ironically Boz now wishes we could go back to those awesome A-League days (when he was a scathing critic of FFA's management of the A-League). If we had relegation....Central Coast would have been dead and buried....FACT....look at them now. Central Coast is the model club, the right model is having good people managing the club. Robbie and Adam have good idea......Boz carrying on like a Eurosnob has some rotten ideas.
@@MarkAnsell-pt5vl I disagree w/him about switching the league to winter(it’d be straight-up commercial sv1c1d3, no doubt) but Pro/Rel connected to the ALM *must* happen; non-negotiable
Agreed. Moving to winter is stupid also because it moves us away from the World Footballing calendar. Japan have just moved the J.League to the World Football calendar starting next season, so why would we take a step back?
@@anthonyfrancis45 The league just needs to start in early/mid-August, like it did in the first few seasons. We can get the boring sh1tty fixtures out of the way and save the big derbies for the week after both AFL&NRL grand finals have finished.
FFA started off well but they set this decline in motion and it gas continued under new people
The commercial channels have a vested interest in other sports. The marketing is atrocious. They are only interested in the cream and not the grass roots. Why when the AFL is getting huge funding for Tasmania why aren't they screaming for similar funding.
The AFL has to sell its soul and push the government's agenda of the day for that funding
Great watch. I really miss the old A-league, I have nothing in common with anything the league has to offer these days. Incredibly toxic environment.
In nsw $5000 for a kid to play reps. Imagine multiple kids over multiple years, it’s a joke , that doesn’t happen in the other codes!
Highway robbery, what’s the $5K for ???
True NSW football federation is a mafia disgraceful.
That money is to support the cost of maintaining this crap league. It's not interested in development it's goal is about money. They pick talented kids already skilled so they can sell to make money. The rest get chucked on a heap not even developed for A-league standards. Hence they buy players from o.s instead of developing locals. The old nsl at least did it thev other way round and would buy only 1 or 2 o.s players.
I’m not sure but I think it’s cheaper in Victoria
$2850
The 1 thing i would like to know is when the Paramount deal ends who would be crazy enough to get the broadcasting rights,in the end once Foxtel got the cricket they coulnt wait to get rid of it.All the talk about saving the league will come to nothing if it cant get someone to televise the games
Getting men’s soccer mentioned on tv networks that all support ARL and NRL is the challenge. Advertising dollars or ownership leverage is needed. They are killing men’s soccer with exclusion while promoting the Matilda’s to make soccer a women’s sport. This could impact boys taking up the sport and attendances.
People aren't going to pay extra to watch the A-League !
If it's on Foxtel, people will watch it because it's their and it will grow to what it once was !
This conversation was elite in so many different ways. It's truly horrendous to think our football standards from the top down is completely rotton to the core. Too many problems created by these clowns, and unfortunately the entire nation hinders on it. We reached the R16 of the 2022 World Cup.... The A-league urgently needs saving and a proper brainstorm could make the league what it used to be.
the wrong people are in control of football development across all levels in this country.
I was just saying this the other day to a friend. We didn’t even realise the finals were on!! Yet every young boy and girl I know is playing soccer and the local clubs were I live can’t accomodate all the kids that want to play. Also holding back the league is the lack of grounds and facilities at local level.
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half price tickets to adults who have kids in a local team. half of something is better than all of nothing
Multiple clubs have given away FREE memberships to anyone under 18 who is in a registered team. It did nothing to improve attendances and 99% of the membership went un-used. If people want to go they'll go as long as it's not overly expensive, and if they don't want to go, making free isn't going to change that.
@@bigpoppa1234 That is a very interesting fact considering, and i believe i am right, in saying, other sports give away free tics, and they pack out their grounds. Of course they are already established sports, any way But they know when to do 'give aways'like on special events etc The true facts are that Soccer poorly promotes its product A promotion with free tics would be a winner,i ts just being smarter like cricket AFL and NRL, are, with a much lesser product
Hi guys, great to listen to this conversation. I’m not a football fan at all but I can exactly relate this to the sport I love and follow which is Rugby Union. We have massive problems in our game just like football. TV rights deals are terrible under Stan Sport. The people at the top of the game have ruined our sport.
But what I like about this interview is that you guys are coming out and laying it all out there. Your not sugarcoating it and I love it. People need to be called out, and for some reason in Rugby Union, nobody does it. It’s as if they are scared or don’t care.
The biggest problem with the A League and the NSL before it is that both, in the beginning, found an audience with strong numbers through the gates that then dwindled. In season two of the A League, Victory hosted Sydney FC at Docklands in front of 50000 fans, which was the third biggest football crowd in the world on that day. Where have those fans gone? Why do they no longer go? What can make them come back? To keep those fans, you need to continuously improve your product and keep those fans engaged with their club. Most of those 50000 from season two are now gone and will never come back, and they were gone well before the calamity we now find ourselves in. The example we need to follow is the MLS, with football specific stadia at suitable capacities to keep costs down and keep the clubs in their communities. Play in winter, the product will be better, with faster paced games and better skills. The aim of each club should be to own their own stadium, seating 15000-20000 fans in comfort, have top notch academies working together to give kids an opportunity and to sell only the very best talent to foreign clubs
Totally agree with you. Own stadium and a social club to have another income stream other than memberships, tv $'s and junior fees...
Most of the people who worked on the production didn't have a clue about football, they had only worked on NRL and AFL.
the fans are everything apparently but you never see them asking fans questions or getting a fan on these shows
Why would they most ate clueless
You guys are speaking absolute Facts, i used to watch Victory and City games and genuinely attend games at etihad and AAMI park not every week but occasionally with mates, but the gap in direction and inclusivity with the fans has actually pushed more young kids to support clubs abroad like a Serie A, La Liga, Ligue 1, Bundesliga and most Popular premier league and their parents buy the shirts for them online anyways so that connection of going to Swan St Soccer Fever and getting an A League shirt printed is practically relegated to the Online Market now where your Child wants say a Paris PSG Mbappe kit for example instead of an A league shirt for a similar price after numbers printing etc and fuel to go out and get it, when you can sit back order have delivered and stress free with a shipping fee, People underate this Factor as the big clubs will always be big but the facts are you're more likely to see a Milan or Dortmund or Juventus, Liverpool, Arsenal, Bayern, Atletico, Barca and many more clubs shirt in Melbourne, Sydney, Perth, anywhere in Australia tbh than an A League club shirt and that's an awful look for the game on a local and grass roots level which the A League level quite frankly and honestly still is.
Wow! As an Aussie who lives and breaths the game and follows Talksport and the brilliant structure of English football, well done with this podcast, the game will survive, where there is money there is evil, looking forward to impending discussion.
Adam Peacock is the only reason I got through that video. Bosnich is clueless which was evidenced by what he said at the end. Macarthur and Western Utd only exist because Fox Sports ridiculously wanted more derbies. The notion that promotion/relegation could save the Jets is absolutely insane even by Bozza's standards. Slater just sounds like a bloke who is bitter about not getting a job with Paramount and pines away for the Fox Sports days. Thank goodness for Adam Peacock. He was the only one talking sense.
100% thank goodness for Adam.....Boz lives in la la land. Boz keeps carping on about promotion and relegation and playing in winter......Bozza's ideas are a recipe for disaster.....keep him away from the game.
Bowza and Slater are bores…still talking over each other
i m going to have to disagree with you here, Boz is thinking for the long term future of the sport something they didn't do with A League from the beginning, we do need a relegation battle, we do need 2nd division, this will bring new excitement to the league which other codes don't have, this can get us above others. I m also 100% with A league in the winter, this is not a summer sport, we are only doing it because we have to due to other sports taking up infrastructure otherwise nobody in their right mind would play this sport in the summer.
@@guzonjinsin88 In a perfect world yes those things would be good. But unless someone is willing to throw billions at the game in this country both pro/rel and changing to winter would be a death sentence. Boz is not living in reality. Relegation would kill the Jets (aswell as the Glory/Roar/ Adelaide etc). The league cant afford to lose teams in those markets. Its all very well to look long term but if the money isnt there then looking long term is futile. Switching to winter is madness. The game simply cant compete against NRL and AFL. There aren't enough fans like me who are obsessed with football and couldnt care less about NRL and only have a very mild interest in AFL and would happily go watch the A League in winter. We have to live in reality.
@@matG2725 well you make sound points but you've got to keep in mind that A-league was built on a terrible base, people were warning them about this long time ago.
As a man from Brisbane i m totally ok with Roar dying because Roar doesn't represent this city, it's not part of our culture here nor the tradition and that's probably the case with the Jets, we want a proper Brisbane team which represents this state and this city anyway and we have enough QLD based companies which can push for a change if needed, this can be initiated via a 2nd division, 2nd division can also be a great testing ground for future endeavors,
There is a problem with financial losses for every team that get's relegated into 2nd division all over the globe, that's normal and teams usually cut their yearly budget to suit 2nd division and Boz knows that hence why he is suggesting that relegation might even be a better option for Jets for the time being as they will cut their losses and become operational again,
We need to take this time and do it right this time to make this sport what it should be, proper teams, proper clubs with meaning and fans who are connected to their representative, the American and Rugby League model we copied initially was terrible and we need to change this and follow the European model,
Promoting the game has always been weak in Australia !!!! Paramount was the worst mistake, give it back to fox !!!!
Fk fox. Give to free to air like the AFL and cricket.
This is the greatest sport and it is the world game for a reason. The A league has gone backwards and major networks do not publicise any of the games. Something has got to change. Paramount is the worst picture quality I have ever seen and I do not believe they expect people to pay to watch this on TV. Brilliant discussion from two of the games legends. Thank you so much for speaking publicly about what is going on.
Hear hear
At its peak, I really enjoyed watching A League football in this country. You even had both the NRL and AFL concerned on how much the sport was growing. (They have played a part in the demise of the league to a certain extent) Over the last 10+ years its declined not only on a quality level but management. An absolute cock up of the highest order. Blow it all up and start over, there is no coming back in its current state
I agree with a lot of what you say But a drop in quality is debateable
I'm an american and I used to love watching the A-League in the middle of our nights. A few years ago I could no longer watch it even if i wanted to and until this video basically forgot about it. TV distribution is very important!
The games were put back on ESPN Plus in the States, towards the end of this season.
The ground surfaces are sloppy , the players unfit compared to Europe and the camera work is thru a telescope backwards.
"just do the global standard", exactly. Its not rocket science. No finals, create 2nd tier promotion relegation.
The salary cap must be scrapped
Keep Up was atrocious, the game still exists in the shadows in main stream media
Thank you guys for trying to save us
To the list, keep up, management of the A League, the broadcast deal, can we add the deliberate attack on match day fan culture.
Love the show. However academies are such a waste of money and they are very expensive
100% brother.
Ask any player who used to play or have to train back in the day in 40 degree heat.
Ridiculous, no player is conditioned for that sort of climate.
Winter game all day.
Get the communities back into the game!
That is not only what the country was built on but it also made the game interesting.
Different cultures played and coached the game differently. Made the competition interesting and competitive! And start to promote the good local amateurs. It’s also the only way we can generate good youth players like what we used to have!
Only flaw would be its would in competition with NRL and AFL in that regards
@@Gary-vv5gt There's nothing wrong with that. The major issue is they need their own stadiums in Sydney & Brisbane to avoid the rugby codes booking clashes and ripping up the turf.
@@mikespearwood3914 it’s getting the fans to choose between afl, nrl and they don’t need soccer added to the decision making and most stadium will be tiny of 5-10k
What were the ratings like on Fox Sports? Agree that 10 + Paramount is a disaster
Greed, like most other areas of modern society, has proliferated through the beautiful game in Australia
Kids fees are a joke . Kids are funding snr npl fees . No investment into kids football at all
Tell me about it. Close to $4k for under 9s SAP in Sydney.
I'm speaking as an AFL fan that enjoyed peak A-League during the 2010s. The clubs of A-League must go back to the fans and become membership based ownership. Private ownership in sports in Australia is a failure.
I'm not the sharpest tool in the tool box but i need a little more brain stimulation than watching AFL the quintessential 'village green football' As a neutral i think WTF is this garbage, but i was so lucky t,o have been born in Europe and not brainwashed with this tripe where a team is part of the Melbourne skyline. If it was the greatest game in the world as AFL people love to trot out, Where is the evidence, Perhaps a failed hibrid game in Ireland and a few Sherrins left in South Africa makes it international.
My wife tells me i should embrace all sports. When cricket and AFL people give soccer some respect and report a few scores and equal coverage ,i might .When i came here, i was either a sheila wog or a poofter, as the late Johnny Warren put it, in his book. Nothing has changed.I have a long memory. Always the beautiful game
@paulgearing3018 just want to make a statement how poorly run the A League has been of late. It was riding a wave of popularity in the 2010's then fell into a pit of irrelevance since the disasterous TV deal.
An all to familiar story at a certain level of world football. Looked with wonder at what was happening in the A-League from the US. A veteran observer of a dysfunctional soccer system. This conversion is critical to a way forward.
It would be better on free to air television.
It is on free to air , 2 times a week and all finals live
@@PhilipMatee you wouldn't know it. Put the games on youtube/Tiktok rather than free to air.
@@PhilipMatee
Was there a game on Saturday night, it wasn't on TV if it was.
I only found out the other week that its on10 bold .
Too many problems for Football in Australia:
1: Too many presidents of clubs lining their pockets.
2: Registration fees for kids are ridiculously high.
3: A lack of quality coaching.
4: The poor quality of refereeing.
5: No relegation and promotion into the A league.
6: At state league level u20's jumps straight into first grade, it should be u23's.
7: Too many sports to choose from makes it harder to compete on the world stage.
8: The over focus on Womens football at the expense of mens football.
9: VAR in the A league
10: The lack of support A league fans have from their clubs and the league.
11: Not respecting the ethnic clubs and their contribution to the game.
12: Supressing the passion of the fans.
13: Overbearing police officers at A league games.
14: Banning flares at A league games.
15: Not investing into Aboriginal communities with the round ball.
16: Not supporting young migrant children (let's be real poor kids are much more likely to be successful than rich kids).
17: Too many presidents sons and sponsor daddies paying for kids to play at youth league level.
18: Politics in Football.
19: Football Australia.
20: A lack of quality coaches, teaching the C licence courses.
And the list goes on.
Did you hack my computer 😂 they don't develop players they pick the most talented to sell o.s to support staying viable. The rest get chocked on a pile of players never to be develop for the A-league. Then they use that money to buy overpriced hacks from o.s. unlike the old nsl who developed players got o.s coaches and only bought 1-2 o.s players to play here. Hence in the time A-league has been around I can count on one hand how many went o.s. yet I need a spreadsheet over the same period of players developed by nsl clubs to go o.s.
couldn't agree more
Agreed, the flares are part of fabric of football and its what differs between A league and AFL/NRL..... and i find a league more fun to watch IRL than AFL or NRL tbh.
the reason why i never watch A league hmmm
I m from Brisbane and i couldn't stand supporting a club which had no tradition and no value, i could never associate with the name or the orange colour they picked, the club, the name, the colour has nothing to do with Brisbane or Queensland or the football history in this city,
My 2nd issues is with the US format they chose for this sport, from establishing franchises with some quirky names, instead of clubs of value and heritage, the competition format without a 2nd division and completely pointless mid-season lower table fixtures without a relegation battle, the entire play off garbage, i never understood, is winning the league better than winning the play offs?
My 3rd issues is how our networks are completely disinterested in covering Asian Champions League and having no desire to promote intercontinental competition...
Another problem i have is getting to games, the bus network in Brisbane is connected via Shopping Centres, i would pick up my mates on Sunday afternoon drive to a local shopping center, leave the car there and catch the bus together....well the shopping centers are barricaded and you can't park there anymore.
So what have i been doing for the past 10 years? Watching local football, we have few really good divisions here in Brisbane, we drive up to games get some hot food and enjoy that real raw football ground experience, trust me when i say this, it feels so good turning up to some local league where you can smell the grass, stand on the sideline, order some hot food and joke around with your mates and yell out some dumb commentary than it is to catch a bus and go to some concrete jungle, turn around and go back home....
We copied that Rugby League model and it sucks, i want Brisbane Roar to be renamed Brisbane City, we want a maroon colour kits, QLD Rail or something like that as a sponsor and let's bring some life into this competition, 2nd division is now starting and i m excited about that and let's build this competition properly the way the Germans and English and the French did it and throw that cheap lifeless American model in the bin...and we will return.
I know this probably won't reach the guys but I had some interesting chats with key people, all of which indicate that things will took a turn for the worst when Lederer started to dictate the board. Sydney FC gave up in the internal board politics after the Russia-Ukraine War (David couldn't really appear and participate) and so did Melbourne Victory.
The clubs are very much at fault so not doing their own estimates on how to spend essentially public shareholder money.
The eight NPLs have inbuilt pro/rel structures. Rebadge each NPL as a conference- "NSW Conference", Victoria Conference" etc, have all conferences and their lower divisions run standard concurrent seasons with the top x number of clubs from the separate conferences playing off at the end of the season to determine the national champs. It'd also sure save a lot on airfares!
Getting football right in this country really should not be that hard.
The reason Bos said noffn because he has no ideas that are practical
I attended the 1998 NSL grand final between Carlton and south Melbourne at Olympic stadium in Melbourne. I was playing for Carlton under 18s at the time. You couldn’t see the pitch for the flares, the game was halted for many minutes. I thought it was the best thing ever.
The game was destroyed long ago when the A league was founded on corporate franchises and none of the original clubs were allowed to play. Too ethnic, not palatable etc etc.
Reminds me of the situation now. Personally I believe football is about passion for a badge, and I had no interest in the A league because of the way the real clubs were ignored all those years ago.
Thank you for this video 🙂
Put these 3 in charge of the game
Im very interested in this dilemma, but I have no idea what the hell Bozza is saying.
It's good there's 2 games FTA a week compared to all games only on Pay TV. There was a time we couldn't even watch the national team on free-to-air as it was only on Pay TV, glad those days are over.
And probably the only country in the world to do so.The lucky country But you could watch cricket FTA ,i am sure of that
It will be a crying shame if we don’t get this right. It’s future generations who will suffer the most. Appreciate your efforts gents.
Well said guys. Thanks
involve the kids involve the parents. Kids that had to pay $1000s to play juniors should get tickets to games for free
I'm a union fan and it seems as though football is suffering from the same type of mismanagement that Australian rugby has over the years. One big thing that hurt union was being paywalled behind Fox for 20 years and people forgot it existed. A lack of free-to-air presence is disastrous to building broad appeal. As is a lack of advertising and marketing. Football and rugby share this vs NRL and AFL. I think it would be worth exploring a multi-sports model like some clubs have in France and Spain (PSG, Barca and Stade Toulousain). Group a bunch of Olympic sports together (football, rugby, basketball, volleyball, handball, futsal) to pool resources, share revenues, build a broader marketing base, create a community-centric club (like how NRL clubs have 24/7 Leagues clubs to generate revenue and remind the community they exist) and build strength as a bloc to make better deals with regard to sponsorships and broadcast deals.
Focus on late night free to air broadcasting prior to EPL matches. End the fight with other codes and embrace each other to share facilities and fan bases. Lots of fans enjoy all codes. Stop replicating models of better leagues and cut your cloth to suit. Soccer and Basketball are incredibly popular but have been their own worst enemies with poor administration and catastrophic decisions.
not a bad idea
This,
There’s a huge gap on Saturday.
Nrl is behind a paywall.
Campaign make it kid friendly and family friendly.
Make it a day out and not about the football but about the event going to football.
Promote a card game to kids in papers or even on an app.
If you get a ticket you get so many football cards.
There’s enough room for football to exist.
Ending the fight with other codes is delusional and fanciful .I beieve they thought of this in the 80s with Cllingwood Warriors and Carlton FC The crowds ,say 50.000 AFL supporters never went to soccer matches at seasons end. It never worked AFL people ,particularly in Melbourne are too far brainwashed to embrace soccer .And STILL think they are the greatest game in the world ,With absolutely Zero evidence to prove this. Unless you think that a few hibrid games in Ireland , and a few hundred Sherrins left i South Afriaca makes them popular outside of Australia
When the league started its very good early days were mismanaged. Launching into gold Coast and North Queensland ahead of core markets was ridiculous. Some clubs have tried to live beyond their means since day one. The league could have been strong, but those in charge lost a grip on reality and tried to run before they were barely walking. The league will get rebooted. I think the whole relegation debate will be the final nail in the coffin because the first 2-3 clubs that go down will crash out of existence. Make a single 20 league team, and try get to the point in 10yrs where you can add in a 14 team second tier.
I follow the premier league like many other Aussies do. When A league was with optus, I watched it too but now they are with a platform that barely has any football except A league and some English cup games. I am not paying for that.
You can't force people to watch soccer. It just can't compete as a sport with AFL and the NRL in Australia.
Only their marketing The codes are much more inferior on an international level And that goes for cricket too Test cricket DITA and T-20 is a hibrid baseball
There needs to be marquee entry standards that MUST be met in order to do the deal.
My daughrer has been part of the football queensland programme for 12 years. Football Queensland couldn't organise a root in a brothel. They are the most ridiculously run sporting body, ive had the misfortune to be involved in. Changing rules and schedules, mid-season is the norm.
Soccer suffers from the same thing as local basketball. The best variant is overseas : FA cup and NBA.
These guys were good to very good footballers . Neither have any ideas about what should be done
How the fk does the most popular sport by registration numbers not have a proper functioning mens league. This is so sad.
Where was my invite for the ALeague hour reunion?
They fill 100k stadiums, with people paying exorbident ticket prices, when a european team tours here (Off season, sub par football). Why are these people not signing up for the A-League? To me that sounds like a marketing exercise.
The quality of play in the A league is atrocious, I try to watch every now and then but end up turning it off after 15mins when I see people continually screw up basic passes, let the ball roll under their foot and out of play, shots that miss the target by a mile. Thats the difference, people don’t want to watch subpar levels of sport
@@andrew_l1900 Up till 1962, England won the majority of rugby league contests v australia by far. After that it was all australia. If we don't get behind the sport now it will never grow.
@@blinkok Yeah thats all well and good but people aren't going to pay to watch terrible football that's just facts
Yet people were giving crap to Ange Postecoglou going back 20 or so years ago.
We as Australians and football lovers can see the game here has been shit for a long time and we thought that back in 2006 onwards that it was getting better but it has all gone backwards.
Just a money-making business, rather than finding actual talent and making the game thrive here.
If you work on the premise that there is a huge yearning by football fans in Australia to go to football games in the A League and experience football that they see or have seen from Europe. It doesn’t need to be like the PL but just full stadiums, atmosphere, excitement and local passion, all done safely I might add. Every World Cup you see the number of fans appear from nowhere, the Women’s WC proved that fans are crying out to go watch football. Just need the correct formula.
League was killed once it went to paramount/10. The sport has strayed away from it strengths and promoted its weaknesses.
So from what Robby said Sydney fc Melbourne city and vic are allowed to have marque players even if they can afford them , why ?
I’m a football tragik. Played coached for years. Loved the a league and its coverage on fox. I only kept my fox subscription because of a league. One season it wasn’t covered and I found out it was not with fox. I subsequently cancelled fox subscription. The coverage is poor now and no one can find it. Bring it back to fox which could be the first thing that needs to be fixed and winter football. Love robbi bazza and Adam
This is the depth of the the ideas of these guys .they have to find some money to market the sport , where it comes from I don’t know
These guys are way more entertaining then the people in para
I rarely watch the A League and as an outsider seeing it move off fox and keep bringing in new obscure teams just seemed really daft and delusional.
Football in this country could do far worse as spokespeople than these three.
We need these 3 to run it
The gap between A League sides and even an MLS is far far too big I've heard, I don't watch either League one bit anymore.
The games are boring. Their is no intensity. We need better local players with better international players. We need to abolish the salary cap.
They are just overpaid NPL players, nothing more !
so let me understand APL paid global advance for games and global advance went broke?
Soccer just needs more suburban clubs and play it winter. I wanna see dandenong vs marconi. And take on the bigger codes don't shy away from them. Make it cool, I literally don't know anyone who gives a shit about who wins the a-league probably because they feel no connection to the clubs lol
I don’t how they could do it but they need to get Optus to buy the rights.
The FA should follow the NRL model
What's that sell yourself to gambling haha 😄
League mismanagement of NSL to A-League is why i cant take the local comp seriously. We have talent but the game cant manage itself out of a wet paper bag.
The elephant in the room is being ignored. The women's game has sent the men's game broke. How much money does the women's game generate? How much money does the women's game take from the men's game? We cant afford to subsidize a professional women's league in this country. The other thing that happened... the downward spiral of the A-league began when Optus bought the rights to the English Premier League, which lost Foxtel a lot of subscribers. The best deal for the A-league would see it paired with a package that included the EPL. Football fans don't want to take out multiple subscriptions especially in this day and age.
I believe that the revamp of the game with a deliberate focus on the younger generation fans was risky but didn’t work. It alienated the existing fan base and it lost its natural appeal. I would suggest that half of the fans wouldn’t even know how to download and use Keep up. Get back to basics and see the fans return.
Let me say that I was an original club member for many years and 5 years ago I dropped my membership and returned because I knew the league was struggling. I dropped it again ahead of this season because you know why? I couldn’t even get a membership hat or even a sticker for my car without paying for ‘credits’ through one of the most atrocious membership websites I’ve ever seen. The club has lost its fundamentals and sought a cash grab. I even got charged for the membership weeks after I had cancelled it. Amateur at best.
A visa player & a marquee player are 2 different things
God, this is good. People like Robbie and Boz need to be in the highest seats within the APL and Australian Football.
Oh-- Not all good points from Boz, Who once said--Quote-- What value does Wellington Phoenix bring to the A League" Look at the game this week end Boz in Wellington 33,000, and guess what! Auckland are coming into the League next year, so you could double that in theory .I have no NZ connections, but feel part of a football family .I wouldnt leave ANY one to the NRL sharks like you would Boz.If you had enough balls you would apologise to the Phoenix But from a man who loves to hear himself talk ,i wont hold my breath
@@paulgearing3018 that was 2016 - 8 years ago - when they were sitting 8th. The same comment can be said about Western United right now. In 8 years it could change. One article suggest Rudan was feeling the same way, same outcry for his words??
When push comes to shove, he (and Robbie) are saying the quiet part loud and trying to turn the state of our league around. Nevertheless, the league is in tatters right now and might not even survive.
The Affect of Bozza, Robbie and Adam together, that synergy literally embodied and still embodies what i love about Australian football, which should be doing much Better than this current product. If these 3 came back to covering it weekly I would come back to the games 100% and take interest again but the way it is now is not sustainable or even a good product i disagree with Adam on that part.
-r-motion and regelation is Bos
‘S idea so after about 10 years we will have 4 Sydney teams and 4 Melbourne teams and that it
Get the federations on the same page to every state has its own agenda.
They should get Shaun M the former mariners ceo as FFa CEO.
It all went to shit when they made the a- league. What made football in australia were the ethnic clubs. Wtf.
Government keeps afl as the primary sport.
HOW do you work around the broadcast "partner" being so poor when you're trying to get people to actually (be able to) watch games and you cannot even walk into a pub that has Paramount+ and can actually let you watch the games??
oh and btw I'M ONE OF THOSE WUFC FANS GOING TO THOSE HOME GAMES MARK BOSNICH AND I HAVEN'T SEEN YOU THERE MATE
I went to see many games.. I watch my team, i go with my boys , i keep to myself and do not cause any trouble, you would say i am your typical fan .. But, i no longer go.. The NSW Police over the years have done a great job of making sure that any kind of our own local football culture has zero chance of developing.. I have seen them severely punish the smallest of infringements , harmless banners , hand gestures , bad language or any kind of non aprooved self expression. Sure you cannot allow people to light flares or start fights but, It has been heavy handed and its a huge turn off for me as i go there to see the atmosphere of the crowd as well as the game , So to me the atmosphere is almost completely dead at most games now.. and if that wasn't bad enough, The venues are designed to suck as much money out of you as possible without providing much in return, So after shelling out often hundreds of dollars for a night with my boys to see a very average game with a below average crowd , i'm starting to ask myself why am i doing this? .. So i no longer do.. i still watch some games on TV but that's it.. I know this may not be that relevent to the topic but hope it helps ppl understend why some of us don't go anymore.
Sydney finals ended it for me. Victory member and have not been back as it sickened me.
Paramount deal a joke
Standard of play poor
Why pay money to watch it.
The standard of the games have been pretty good.
@@MarkAnsell-pt5vl we must have different parameters on what is good . What I’ve seen the last few seasons is the poorest standard of football since the leagues inception. All in the eye of the beholder
I disagree, the standard is close to the best its ever been. It just lack excitement when the crowds have dropped off
I believe we have to stop paying $1M plus to pensioner players and start to develop youth players and sell for top dollar not at a discounted rate to powerful clubs in Europe eg Irankunda
Do the global standard... it's really that obvious isn't it?
I miss these guys. These are the types of people we need spearheading the sport in the right direction. You need ex footballers and likeminded up there able to make an input in the decisions. Not entirely businessmen who are just throwing money into the wrong areas with little Knowledge and passion for the sport.