UP Bertram Derailment - The Aftermath
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ส.ค. 2024
- On the morning of September 8th, Westbound UP stack train ISILB5-07 was heading towards Long Beach when it was routed into the siding at Bertram, located at milepost 646.1 on the Yuma Subdivision. According to the National Transportation Safety Board's (NTSB) initial report, the track the train was routed onto was occupied by empty empty flat cars that had been stored there since December of 2021. Both crew members tragically lost their lives in the collision, and while an investigation is still ongoing as to what caused the derailment, the results are horrific, to say the least. Our cameras visited the area a few days after the collision to take in the scene and found that both engines, a pair of GE-built AC4400CTE locomotives, were still present at the location of the crash, with the lead unit, UP 6018, having what little remained of its cab covered in a tarp to prevent further wear and tear from the elements. Several trains on the Yuma subdivision pass by the scene as workers continue to both investigate and clean up to the best of their ability. We here at Railfanjunction offer our sincerest condolences to the families of the crewmembers killed in this incident, and hope that the causes of the derailment will be found soon by those investigating.
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I was an engineer for CSX for 37years and this is
a crews worst nightmare. God bless their families and RIP my brothers.
Why? What happen I just happen to come across this and confused
I used to work for CSX. I miss it
My deepest condolences for both the engineer & the conductor. May God bless their soul. RIP railroad brothers.
The good and hard working men who move a country toward progress deserve all our support and respect...a warm hug to the family of our deceased nobles
As a member of train crew from Australia my thoughts are with the family and friends of the engineer and conductor. RIP to them both.
I am a conductor for Union Pacific it always sadden my heart ❤ when a tragedy like this happens. Every accident is preventable my two brothers should have not died because of ups mistake
UP conductor also, Saw this consist on my territory on its way to St Louis to get scrapped, they never stood a chance.
Where did this consist end up? Omaha?
Sincere and heartfelt sympathies to the families and friends of those who lost their lives in this tragic incident 🙏
Such a sad and empty feeling I felt from the beginning, but especially at 23:00.
My heart goes out to all those affected by this tragedy.
Yes I see what you mean.. someone needs to put a cross there for each man and some flowers
It's an empty feeling for the engineers as they pass all that wreckage From that collision 💥🚂
The tarp isn't to prevent further wear and tear on the train as that loco unit is totaled. It's to preserve the crash scene where lives were lost. It's also to protect from any onlookers. The same is done in fatal vehicular accidents.
Gotcha, thanks for the correction
Is the train alright
@@wmzou bruh....
@@RailfanJunction Still wish we could see the damage.
As railroad brotherhood from across the pond in UK still with railways after 33 years my heart goes out to loved ones in their hour of need.
By state of the locos the impact energy must been severe hopefully your RSTB can bring those responsible to justice for needless loss of life if someone had paid attention to rolling stock left mothballed all such stock should be logged so everyone in charge of signalling system knows certain tracks out of bounds.
This tragic crash would have been avoided
It cost monnies to mothball stock properly in the UK usually on UK army disused sidings. But in the US shor hall companiies also keep rolling stock for the railways.
But as I said it costs the transport to the site and the cost of leaving them there.
In this case the sidings should have been phisically locked out of use by clipping the points in safe position.
Rail working is a hard and can be an unsafe place.
Any error can cause a crash or worse.
I offer my condolences to the relatives and the crew who have to clear up the mess.
My heart breaks for the crew and their families.
RIP 🙏
RIP to the Engineer and conductor. Very sad situation for sure.
Wow! This was only about 100 miles away from where I live on the Yuma Sub!
What a horrible tragedy!!! We often take it for granted that these railroad employees have a dangerous job 😞
From reading the preliminary NTSB report, it mentions that it’s a signal-controlled siding, which is different than a signalled siding. This type of siding would usually just be referred to as a controlled siding, meaning that the switches at either end are controlled by the dispatcher. The dispatcher can line you in/out but the dispatcher will never know for sure whether or not the siding is already occupied. The signal will normally only be able to give a “Restricting” indication. The fastest speed permitted on “Restricting” I’m aware of is 20 mph, “looking out”, meaning you can run 20 mph so long as you can stop within half the range of vision. Empty flat cars are extremely difficult to see.
In the "controlled siding" scenario, if one is not able to visually affirm under the given conditions (weather, obstructions, darkness, etc.) that the way is clear within at least half the range of vision, then, logic requires the movement stops. For all the wrong reasons, the movement is almost never stopped.
Train crews rely on the dispatcher to know the siding is clear . The cars could have been pulled from the siding since the last time the crew was last by the siding . Sounds like a Dispatcher error , Looks like the track is in a curve and rail cars don't have lights on them . The siding had to be a non-circuit track or there would have been a red signal for the crew and an indication on the dispatchers board . I've been in the Harriman Dispatch Center in Omaha , awesome facility and at the time I was there i was told dispatchers had two sub divisions far from each other . Their jobs are stressful , intense and fast pace as they are dealing with all types of train crews . But they know they have many lives that are expecting them to safely get them either home or off duty to rest for their next trip . The person or persons responsible for the tragic deaths are not sleeping well tonight . RIP Train Crew .
Clearly someone made a huge mistake. This never should have happened.
Someone did make a huge mistake they shouldn’t have been directed into the siding with the rail cars that were being stored
@1porkeys1 That is a controlled siding. Meaning that it is controlled by the Dispatcher. It is treated like a main track as all the same rules apply. You can receive an entry signal more favorable than lunar.
Yes and I'm sure some union is going to defend their actions when innocent people died as a result happens all the time
I was with CP Rail in western Canada for 30 years as a Cndr
Worse nightmare and this happened to them ..RIP brothers
And hope the company takes care for your family’s 😢
RIP to the crew and the condolences to the families it's pretty bad when management just considers you collateral damage
Holy hell... The cab is completely sheared off! RIP the engineer and conductor and prayers for their families.
Sad to say there is nothing holy about Hell, nothing !
My condolences go out to the families of the deceased.
I conducted for four years and not once did I ever think
leaving for work that I would not return home alive.
I didn't think about it at all.
Your in God's hands.
My condolences to family and friends of those fine people, so sad
RIP UP ENGINEER AND CONDUCTOR..
PRAYERS FOR THEIR FAMILIES AND FRIENDS..🙏🙏
What a tragedy. I am just so sorry for the families. I hope we can find answers and prevent such an event from happening again.
Sounds like management error. How does a string of cars being stored in a siding for nearly a year get forgotten about amongst dispatch when it's clearly noted in their system? Sad. This is one of many reasons I won't work for the railroad because it only takes one person's mind lapse to put other people's lives in danger. I'll stick to truck driving where I have more control over what happens.
Yea you’re on the tracks and trusting you’ve been routed on a clear path.
23:00 💐
Godspeed, gents, and thank you for your tireless service this country. 🇺🇲
I'm sorry, but i wasn't able to watch much of this. No one deserves to die at work. RIP.
@RailfanJunction I wanna say thank you for posting this, I have not yet gone to see the accident site where I lost my younger brother who was only 25yrs old and not even a yr in with the railroad. He was the conductor in the accident.
My father and older brother have been with UPRR for a combination of 35yrs inn. To read the comments on this video I’m just like, wow.
I’ll forevermore miss my younger brother. To add he had trust in his engineer and had spoken very highly of him, my father and older brother didn’t have to worry about my younger brother working with him cause they knew he was in good hands.
Again thank you for posting this and allowing me to see the accident scene.
RIP ZACHERY LARA
RIP STEVE BROWN
My sincerest condolences for your loss, I am glad that you were able to see the scene but I cannot imagine the heartbreak you are experiencing right now. I hope that the results of the NTSB investigation will shed light on what happened.
The passing trains could have sounded their horns in tribute as they passed their fallen friends.
🎶May his spirit live forever throughout the land
As the greatest of all heroes of a railroad man🎶🚂
That's really sad and disturbing to look at. Especially what happened to the ones that were in that unit.☹️
This is truly a sad and eerie sight where people went to work and never made it home to their families. I remember a few of these at the bus system I worked for and it sends a chill through you when you see the destruction
I am puzzled by the outcome. If a train is sent to a siding doesn't the engineer slow down the consist tremendously to a safe speed before entering the siding ?
@@debbiemilka2251 I've never been to this location however seeing as how it's out in the desert there's lots of room to put in switches that have gentle angles. One fan in Iowa has shots of crossovers on the UP that can be entered at 50 mph and some of these desert sidings also double as a second track as they are several miles long. Judging by the damage they may easily have still been doing 30 to 35 and the consequences speak for themselves
In this modern age of computers and telecommunications this should not have happened! Best wishes to their families and friends.
You do realize These locomotives dont just have Automatic sensors to stop the locomotive and,even if they did it would be too late since America rail roads Hual crap loads and it would be harder from these things to stop on time of the impact. also This may have happend due to Spare rolling stock on the siding.
Someone really really messed up by keeping those empty cars on the siding that long
No, someone messed up by FORGETTING those cars were there. It's perfectly normal to store cars for extended lengths of time on sidings, auxiliary, and spur tracks.
14:50 not often you see em carrying a locomotive axle spring 😳 they are about 100 lbs
RIP, good crew. From your mates here in Australia 🇦🇺. Can someone explain what happened? Did they hit a fuel truck?
They hit some parked rail cars in a siding. The description has the summary of the incident and a link to the NTSB report.
Why didn't PTC work here? Why did the dispatcher not know the siding was occupied? Heads need to roll on this one.
PTC doesn't alert crews to the presence of cars in sidings. It only conveys authority given by signal indications. If they had a "restricting" signal, PTC will only deliver that information, and nothing else.
My dream is to be a locomotive engineer or a conductor and this broke my heart seeing this
This accident should have been avoided. Condolences from Indian Railways.
Sad, thoughts and prayers for the family's.
What an awful tragedy, REST IN HEAVEN my brothers. Prayers to the family💔💔😩😩
That's a frightening disturbing sight to see these types of freak accidents rip to those engineers' and what number is the first up" unit is 6016? or is it 6018?
Terrible stuff! I'm a huge rail fan. This is the kind of thing I would expect to read about in Atlas Shrugged.
Excellent greetings from TrainSpotter TV India
my condolences to the crew and the engine...
Just subscribed. Great video of the side boom crawlers
Thank you so much!!! Welcome to the channel!
What I have from comments, my sense is NTSB changing switch to manual. Crew would be entering siding at slow speed, chance plug brakes, hit the floor, pray.
R I P brothers. OUR condolences to the Engineer and Conductor familys. Why hasnt the PTC kick in before the crash happened.
there was a post on a NS derailment in GA that the PTC don't work below 18 mph.
@@rearspeaker6364 ptc works at all speeds. If you are in "restricted mode", enforcement will not occur unless you go over 19mph, and is not reading any map or signals
Restricted mode is used for switching along line of road in signal territory, making backup movement and such.
Active mode is when you are going on your merry way, acknowledging signal indication. If the block ahead shows occupied and you dont slow down, you will be enforced.
Sometimes, ptc will give a fault at a switch such as an industry, or non main siding, and will give you a prompt to verify switch position. Even with this, the preceeding block will be medium speed block, and the block that the switch fault is in, will require restricted speed.
I havent read the report as of typing this, only give the basic principle of ptc which i use every day. On ns, if the lead locomotive has an inoperable ptc, it cannot exceed 49mph, but it also cannot be the lead unit leaving initial terminal. If they had an ionoperable ptc, that would explain going into a controlled siding on a positve signal and this happening, but if this was a controlled siding, they should have not had a positve signal into a shunted block, unless the track section between the control points arent bonded... situations like this are made up of many tiny little things that led up to one big thing. There are more variables than "rail fans" could ever understand
@@Nscalestuff Thank you for your reply, that was very informative.
Rest in Peace to the crew members and we will never forget you and your family members. 🙏❤💔😔💙
It's been way far too many derailments here lately and it really makes you wonder if it's conductor error or maintenance half assing around on the tracks or all the above it's got to improve my condolences if lives were lost
What did happen, head on, rear end? Prayers to the conductor/engineers and family
The description details it as well as links the NTSB preliminary report!
@@RailfanJunction Oh okay, sorry was scrolling through videos!
😟🌹 my condolences to the families of the railroad workers
May he rest in peace.
My condolences to the families, friends and colleagues of the UP crew that perished in this horrific accident. I'm sure the UP claim agents showed up on the doorstep of the crew's families and offered a check and have them sign their rights away. Shame on you, UPRR for allowing this accident to happen. UPRR is only concerned with the monetary loss of equipment.
WE ARE EXPENDIBLE!!!!!
Why didn't the D/S place a block in the siding with standing equipment and state so on the track bulletins? FRA, NTSB, DOT, CPUC, are you paying attention? Obviously you are not!! You are complicit with the railroads who, time after time, erode our right to a safe workplace. Get it together!!! Crews are threatened with termination for taking time off to spend some semblance of time at home with their loved ones. I wish each train passing by this site where this crew took their last breath, stop their train, put it into full service, and pay your respects to your fallen brothers. If the the D/S says anything, tell them UPRR is guilty of two counts of Negligent Homicide.
Until I read comments I was wondering if this train crash caused death and now I know. I have never seen the front of an engine covered in plastic. That was an incredible amount of Destruction done to the engine. Train crews have an extremely dangerous job because it only takes one severe accident to take your life. They have no protection in the cab of those engines. I wish they would do something to give them more protection and beef up the cab to take more extreme damage. It's amazing how some crew's never have an accident while others die but the same is said of the people who drive automobiles. God bless those who carry our freight all over this nation and the world. God bless the families and friends and give them comfort at the loss of these people.
The NTSB dockets of crew and dispatcher interviews are now available online. This was truly a very bad one. It could have even been worse as Amtrak No.2 was right behind them and on the adjacent track and could have run into the wreckage had it not been stopped in time by the crew on the rear end helpers. This train was originally westbound headed to Long Beach, Ca. and was given orders to backtrack east from West Palm Springs to Bertram to make a set out at Bertram that was missed due to a screw-up in paperwork. The former helper crew now on the head end received a diverging clear into the siding at Bertram and struck the well cars stored on that siding. The helper engineer and conductor were the ones killed. Very sad indeed.
>>> the lead unit, UP 6018, having what little remained of its cab covered in a tarp to prevent further wear and tare from the elements
It's probably covered because there is blood/human remains in it.
@E RR didja crawl out from under your rock AGAIN
Do you know if 6018 is going to be repaired? Also RIP to the crew.
I doubt it by the looks of the Locomotive damage
6018 is a total loss. Currently being picked apart in IL.
@@AbelG8781where at exactly?
Should the dispatcher of known that the siding was full of railroad cars by the indication on the map on the computer or on the dispatch center screen? :( When I was in 8th Grade back in the early 1990s I was lucky to have JR Achcevement and the leader was an Santa Fe employee based in the Santa Fe Dispatch center in the Chicago Suburbs and after JA the class got to tour the Santa Fe Dispatch Center in the Chicago Suburbs and safety alerts would pop up on the big screen in the dispatch room.
Sounds like a horribly timed miss communication! Hope this never happens again.
Was this in dark territory ? and i thought tarps over wrecked locos meant something far worse , rip head end crew
No it's CTC.
This is so sad R.I.P
Nice catches!
My condolences to the families of the crew and surely in the modern era of positive train control and other computer aided dispatching should not have happened
The engineer was months away from retirement and the conductor had just 1yr. Of service. It’s very sad and depressing.
So sad 😭 prayers for families. Public doesn't realize how dangerous job this is sadly.
Hmmm, if the cars were stored since last December, shouldn't there been a derail installed on each end?
There are, but they're controlled by the dispatcher the same way dual control switches are. But that's a very intelligent question.
Lots of questions here.
Holy crap that’s sucks for the engineer and crew
The crew died
Rip
how did something like this happen?
Very nice
That siding should have been tagged out of service and locked out.
Not how that works it’s a automated system that controls the siding switch and this a railroad not construction
The system can be programmed to lock out a switch in this situation
@@JamesU56 it can be disabled on site then is a manual only switch.
You can lock out a dual power switch in the field, but typically you would lock the switch out on the routing software (that's how we would do it). I'm assuming that this siding is dark so on the computer you see a switch going away from the main and the track disappears. If not the stored cars would have shown a track occupancy and would not have allowed a train to be routed on top of it. Since they were simply routed into it I think it must have been "dark territory" and the dispatcher simply forgot something was there when routing. If it was a manual thrown switch someone could have tampered with it, but again that would have shown on the routing software. So sad all around, rest in peace.
@@theinquisitor3930 that sounds like exactly what happened!
I went to work when that happened closed where I was at 😢
I wonder what 6016 would look like without the tarp
Google around, they are out there. Be aware the pictures are saddening. Basically the cab got sheared off.
Oh god
Like 9159 from the red oak IA train Collision?
Sorry My Best condolencias a the family.
Why where those flat cars just left there for that long??
It's not relevant how long they were there. Railroads store cars in sidings regularly when they're not in use. That's normal operation. What IS relevant is how they managed to forget about them.
@@kensingtonchapp4819 oh
Strangely enough this is the second wreck that occurred here, with the first being a cement train with SP SDP45 8694 and some other nice SD40 variants. It also hit a train at 28mph 👀
Excelent video my friend greetings from Morelia Michoacán México
Is it a controlled or uncontrolled siding?
Controlled to my knowledge.
Just because the siding has signals at both ends They only govern movements into and out of the siding The siding it's self between signals were not bonded It allows for work equipment to operate on the siding with out authority or a road switcher to more in either direction without work authority
What I’m trying to get to with the question on controlled or uncontrolled is if the switch is CTC and the DS has control of the dual control switch on power and has the potential to line the switch to the siding by mistake or if the Dual control switch was put on hand and the DS would immediately see it was put on hand and has no control on the switch and possibly intentionally lined for the siding, an uncontrolled siding(TWC)(OS) which commonly has hand throw switches and the switch could have possibly been left open intentionally or unintentionally, if a CTC switch is or was lined for the turnout that would have given a certain signal aspect at the distant signal indicating a diverging approach or even a red block.
So there are numerous scenarios on how or why the switch was lined for the siding.
At the end of the derailment UP 6018 it seemed totaled loss despite the damage’s on the hood the cab and the ac unit it’s damaged beyond repaired and scrap and UP 5599 suffered minor damage it will be repaired somewhere in Utah repainted into the flagless paint scheme and return to service
Rest easy guys
Was this the wreck in Mecca a few months ago?
Check the description, it gives the date and the NTSB report.
@@RailfanJunction Alright. Thanks.
Does anyone know what happened to these units? Where are they?
My deepest condolences 🙏 🕊🌹
so sad
this is exactly what happened to BNSF 9159
is the lead engine gonna get scrapped?
More than likely.
Obviously totaled beyond repair
Dang what happen the them did they hit a truck or derail
It was due to siding reasons which they've hit a siding of Extra rolling stock, I'm guessing Flatcass. Look in the description for more information about the wreck.
i know not the day of my death.. "God speed"
Oh I'm dumb now I didn't read the text on the video
I feel like the passing train paid it's respects not going by at track speed and blaring its horns. A very sad day in the RR community. These Engineers and Conductors do not get enough respect for their contributions to society.
What did I not hear about somebody please tell me.
Check the description for what happened and a link to the NTSB report.
My prayers to the families of the victims
Uprr unit cut in half my god
Why is there a bag covering the front of the csx train
It's a UP train - and the cab was completely destroyed in the collision
Lmao CSX
@@AbelG8781 maybe next time, without losing lives too!!
Lmao he really sad csx . Csx are blue not yellow. Suffered major collision that was fatal.
Can you imagine coming into that siding a alittle fast I might add at 28mph, and finally seeing the reflection off those stored flat cars!?? I would have shit myself and taken off like the wind 🌬 to the rear loco or just dived off that thing and prayed for my chances. 28 I think is surviveable. Not to mention how grim is it these other Up Crews gotta drive right by the spot where there brothers just got smoked. Honestly most of them prolly didn’t even know at this time what truly happened there anyways just another derailment to them.
I can only hope their deaths were instant and painless, this sounds like a case of neglegence seeing as the cars had been there almost a year. Sincerest condolences to the families.
Rest in peace MEN😇, UP is going to pay big times, ive heard about the relationship between the employees and the UP Company , not good news
RIP to the crewman
I've often wondered why engineers still have to ride in the front of the train? Bc often times there is little to no damage to the second power unit. And since all locomotives can be operated by any of the other power units. Why not have the crew Ride in the second power unit? Or even flip the locomotive around so they are least have the motor s and generators in front? I'm sure it has something to do with seeing the signal s properly. But surely this could be supplimented for with the use of cameras? IDK. I've just always noticed the front sections are usually all that gets destroyed so why not try something different out?
It can physically be done, but it creates a number of other problems and potential exposures. First and foremost, forward visibility is the biggest concern. As with most steam engines, and anytime we're running long hood forward, the crew on either side of the cab can only see along the side they're on, so they have to constantly update each other on track conditions, especially through curves. Another issue is depth perception. From the control position in the second unit, you have about 100 feet more space ahead of you due to there being another locomotive. Next, air quality. The second unit can accumulate diesel exhaust from the lead unit inside the cab anytime a window, AC vent, or door is open.
Next, PTC. If you have PTC initialized on the second unit, or any trailing unit, the lead unit will enter a signaled block before the trailing units do, which will cause PTC to think the signal dropped too soon, and apply the emergency brakes. Next, Federal regulations prohibit operating above certain speeds if you're operating from a cab that's not closest to the direction of travel beyond a certain distance, and you, by law, still are required to have a crew member "on the point" protecting the shove. In this case it would be considered a shove move, and you'd have to operate at less than 20mph anyway. And finally, the frequency of these types of accidents is so low that it's more beneficial just to make sure train crews are proficient in operating rules than to modify locomotives to accommodate operating from a trailing unit.
Kunaon tabrakan jeng naon eta ?
Check the description
Keep pushing new crews faster and faster to service. RIP. Shame on companies.
It will stop when the crews walk off their jobs…RR’s will come to a stand still ….
@@polskigirl8547 Well not all railroads are like this. But if railroad become a stand still progress would be very slow.