Lada would be good car for Pennsylvania roads. Running joke in PA is if you're weaving you're sober and if you drive straight you're drunk (because of all the potholes)
I've got hundreds of hours on that game but the one thing they don't get right are the suspension components. You can jump a car from 50 ft and it will deform the entire frame, but your ball joints remain intact, your tie rod ends remain intact, the spring although compressed further doesn't break, essentially you can continue driving around. In reality a 50 foot jump or even a 10-foot jump would blow out ball joints and tie rod ends, among other suspension links leaving your tires hanging.
@@LLF1234 Ladas turning the Earth around by hitting potholes, causing the day-night cycle. Before Lada the ancient gods did this, but then they retired.
@@twoeightythreez Appearantly they don't. I'm pretty sure every Russian has a Lada they kept driving every now and than to keep it good to go, just in case... And look at their roads.
@@alfredofettuccine9425 Remember my speed bump trick. When u see hump Push brake till 1.5 metre before hump & then slightly accelerate till you cross Hump. Jerk will be smooth. Please Try & reply
Remember this person did this experiment at the cost of his vehicle and small resources that he had available to him apart from his time for our benefit. He sustained so much pain and hardship several times so that us viewers can understand. He deserves a donation.
I am Uber driver on Texas/Mexico border. I promise you I spend more money and back pain and actual headaches. I need everyone to tip me but they never do.
Around 2005 my neighbor had his ‘03 Tacoma towed into his driveway. I was a kid at the time and I remember looking at the wheel and his Toyota alloy had a massive hole brown through it. To this day I marveled at what set of circumstances could have caused this and now I think I know the answer all these years later, thanks G54
I teach this to people all the time: Any pothole or even bumps you see in the road, your first instinct is to step on the brakes. But that can cause damage, so if you do, right as you reach the obstacle, LET GO OF THE BRAKES AND LET IT COAST OVER. Saves a bad day from getting worse.
The good thing about steel wheels is that they are very easily repaired. An alloy that's been bent or cracked must be replaced. Yes, I'm aware that alloys can be "repaired" but not without special tools while also making them brittle and unsafe.
Or you could get smaller diameter alloys with a higher profile tyre, so you don't need to recalibrate your speedometer but you gain some resilience to potholes.
@@cigarsgunsanddiesel8032 depends on which state. I've been around a bit of the west coast and most of the east and i'd say the worst i've seen it is around new york (mostly near manhattan, upstate was rather nice) and north carolina. outside of those, it's mostly smooth driving with very few potholes unless you venture more than a few miles off the main interstate into a small town.
Unless you drive a sports car, where the better sidewall strength (reducing roll and increasing grip in tight corners) of narrow tires are worth the trade-offs in comfort and robustness.
@@LRM12o8 Yeah the sidewall size of a tire just depends on what you're looking for when driving. Larger sidewall makes the entire suspension geometry feel softer and allows the tire to flex much more before providing feedback that you lose grip and vice versa for smaller sidewalls
@@LRM12o8 have you seen Formula One car with Low Profile tire? Have you seen LeMan car with Low Profile tire? They're obviously a tier above sports car Have you seen Rally Car with Low Profile tire?
Ideal strategy. Full throttle to take weight off front tires, until your front has cleared the pot hole, then slam on the brake to weight transfer to the front wheels.
Let's say you see a pothole driving at 60 km/hr. As per your strategy you slam the accelerator, making you cross the pothole at 72 km/hr. That's 20 metres per second. Let's say you're driving a high end sedan, with a generous wheelbase of 2.8 metres. That means you've got 0.14 seconds between the impact of your front and rear wheels with the rising edge of said pothole. 0.14 sec is definitely a very small amount for you to time and react, but that's not even the real issue. You have to also consider the time for the car's brake actuator to react to your input, then start to apply brakes, then the car slowing down, and finally, the weight shift to occur. The lag introduced by all these mechanical, pneumatic and hydraulic and electronic systems means it's practically not possible to use this strategy at all for crossing potholes safely. I liked the thought process, though.!
@@19godfather93 Yeah, it was mostly just a joke but it can work at a real slow speed. If you are crawling along in rough terrain at like 15 km/h it's more useful. Also, the lag is not a factor since it can be predicted. I don't need to wait to feel my front wheels hit the pot hole, i can predict when this is going to happen and I can predict how long it takes to shift the weight. Though it would require practice and who would practice such a thing? A rally driver perhaps?
My strategy for bumps is to brake sharply before the bump to compress the front suspension, then release the brakes to allow the suspension to rebound so the front of the car is rising _as_ I hit the bump. For holes I suppose one could argue that this would cause the rebounding suspension to force the wheel down into the hole, making matters worse? Either way, I try never to be on the brakes at the moment of hitting the hole/bump.
that's horrible i think it depends on eg your tires and THE CAR that you drive you can't compare an american car or a japanese car's suspension system to that of a german car while a mercedes might OUT perform other cars when you have 20inch wheels you can't just go fast anymore you will slash your tires
Learn that going to and from PHILADELPHIA. stop and go vs typical everyone going 15 over the speed limit minimum. Faster was way more comfortable ride.
@@fredrezfield1629That's horribel. The faster you go over a pothole the less time for your tire to drop down in the pothole. Doesn't matter what brand of car you're driving.
I bought a brand new Lada in 1982 in Belgium for around $2700 USA. It was tax free and had to be exported. We travelled for 6 months around Europe. It was a great little car, even for sleeping in some of the time! Bought another new one here in New Zealand, but was not the same quality. NZ used to swap them for butter!
Awesome! Very good to see what happens. Very educative and informative. In Brazil cars are used to that type of road. And also NEVER BRAKE on a speedbump also! Accelerate it!. If tou brake, it will brake the engine and suspension. But good luck braking after that and maintaining straight. Cheers
Another awesome video, I'm using driving fast enough that potholes aren't much of a problem, but when someone unexpected comes along I usually just hit the clutch and after taking the hole let the clutch out and keep driving. I once went right over a median as it was brand new and hadn't been there before. I'd gotten over into the turning lane a little early like I always do, but being night blind and not having bright headlights, I didn't see the freshly installed curb thay put in what used to be a turning lane the entire time until it was much to late to stop. I was going about 80 kilometers per hour and I didn't see it till I was about 15 meters from it. I had a car next to me at the moment so I couldn't just jump back in the lane I'd came from so I simply hit the clutch and went right over it, then I proceeded to the light and did the necessary U-turn to reach the gas station that I was already going to. While there, I checked me car out (tires and wheels) and everything was fine. The driver can make all the difference regardless of the car. A bad driver can make even the best cars bad, but a good driver can make good of pretty much anything that runs.
I still have yet to find any pot in these "pot holes" . . . Maybe one day I'll get lucky and find an ounce in one. Seems everyone gets there before me or something .
For those that don't know, the name "pothole" comes from the pre-industrial era. Potters (pottery makers) need good clay to make their pots and cart ruts often exposed this clay beneath the soil where they would dig "potholes". You're welcome 🤗
Love your videos.....this is the best video regarding damage done when braking through potholes. And the fact that you guys is willing to do experiments even it couse damage and carnage, it is not always the things a person will do but it show what can be done and much more.....keep the contend comming and educate the world ❤
That actually looks like a kind of a cool car. Don't think I remember ever seeing a Lada wagon on here before. I hope the car doesn't get totally destroyed.
First pothole on my e-scooter saved successfully by instinct. I just added throttle (current speed 45Km/h) and leaned backwards. I made it over a few more sudden situations later like that. I somehow realized fast that braking would mean catapultation over the handlebar :D
Here in South Africa, we struggle to find a road with no potholes! 😂 What we, or what I sometimes do if I can avoid the hole is to tap the brake just before I hit it, then floor it through the hole. In my brain, this causes the front to dip, then lift as it goes through, sort of jumping the hole if you can understand what I mean. Maybe you could try this and a few other things to try and save your tires. They also say the faster you go, the lest damage, but you need to go way faster than 30kph. Maybe 80 - 100 over that hole to make a difference.
@@mishopetkov7633 back when 18" rims were big and 20"s were show off status I got a sedan in for tires that had about 3- 6 lumps on each wheel... All 4 alloys. I wondered how many tires that person had been through. The car was used and being refreshed for sale, so all the tires on it were mismatched in brand and wear (yet it was a 2 year old off lease car). We replaced the wheels obviously, it was crazy to see so much damage. The car was also pretty dented up. An obvious city car.
Great video! I drive high mileage in cars with sporting suspension and never damage or blow out tires, or damage wheels, and have only ever had two or three alignments (necessary after long-lived tie rod replacements) in over 900k+ miles, and my front end components also tend to last a lot longer vs other people around here and the only reason I could come up with is that I lift off the brake before impacting a pot hole whenever possible (even if that means heavier braking before hand), which I've done since shortly after I began driving. I started doing it because I had cheap cars in the days before ABS and doing this prevented lock up that increased braking distances as well as not feeling nearly as hard a hit at the wheels, which led me to think the impact forces at the pot hole trailing edge were being more concentrated to a single point as the wheel locked up when it became unloaded after passing the leading edge of the pothole as demonstrated here. I also run my tires on the higher side for pressures.
This is why driving instructors always tell you to look and plan far ahead of where you're driving. That way you can see these potholes (or any other obstacles) and avoid them before it's too late. The more information you can gather early while driving, the more time you have to react.
We once went with Ford transit on highway in the night. Empty road, we went like 120 or so, suddenly we dropped with bang. Road there was suppose to be repaired and they indeed scrape down top 8 cm of road, but either they didn't mark it or somebody stole the sings. In any case, here it was, almost ten centimeters drop down on the highway in the night. But it woke us up, not gonna lie.
Not just the pothole itself but the amount of cushioning the tyre wall has to provide for the impact. It will either harshen or handle it. Perfect example would be hitting a pothole on low profile tyres such as a 245/30/R20 compared to a 265/75/R16. More cushioning it has the less damage and the better the wheel will handle it. A low profile would completely shatter or crack. Tyre pressures play a huge roll in hitting holes. Wheel material and design plus the weight. With just 1 pothole I wrecked/Buckled 3 wheels. Whenever I can I will slow down and swerve around the pothole if safe to do so. As displayed in this video. Great video thanks for sharing.😁👍
My working theory as to why the rear tire was the one taking the most damage is that it has an additional downward force as the front of the car is going up while the rear wheel is hitting the pot hole (at 35kmh) this means it actually hits harder than the front tire, as the front tire only has the force of gravity working downward when it hits the other side of the pothole.
So if you see a pothole speed up. got it!👍 It would have been good if you put an old engine in the boot to see what the extra load would do to the back wheel.
Something I noticed.....look very closely at the front wheel at 35KMH (time 4:35 and 5:21). The camber and toe was affected. It was toed out a hair after the hit, and cambered out towards the bottom. Little story. My mom had a 1996 Jeep Grand Cherokee a while back. Solid front and rear axle. She hit a frost heave at 40mph and it bottomed out hard enough to dent the top of the axle tube in the front.
Is "Why?" "Chicken Thigh" the same as the American phrase "What?" "Chicken Butt"? Hearing the translation and seeing it come from that guy was too funny.
The speed isn't the only answer to the destruction. It's an equation of wheel size, speed, pot hole depth and pot hole lenght. But hey, now you know if you have 1 and an half long poth hole lada wheel driving around 35km/h, you wont like it.
Have got 155/70R13 tires mounted, relatively high cheekes and have tought myself to brake before and after the suspension gets a hit, but never during the hit because of what you guys have just proven
Unsprung weight, the real deal ! Funny how every auto maker are selling new advanced comfy slushbox with anchor 20" alloy rim nowadays as an improvement ! The reason why lightweight shitboxes are so confortable offroad compared to heavy SUV & pickup trucks.
I hit a 4x10 or so piece of lumber in the road at about 50mph with a dodge promaster city van. It has regular steel wheels and tires like an old car. No damage. I was surprised
@@rian0xFFF yeah we can. It depends on how sever it is and whats the outcome. it's the same with having wrong variable message sign speed limits on highway with heavy rain or snow. if there is damage then there is failure to maintain the proper road conditions.
It's really cool that although the front is under much more load from the position of the engine, transmission, and driver, the rear still took damage first, all because of the un sprung mass of that rear axle, and the design of the rear suspension as a whole, not allowing the wheel to move nearly as freely forward or backwards in the wheel well, while the front suspension's design naturally gave it extra give forwards and backwards, because of its bushings and geometry.
8:15 That's super interesting to know. 🤔 But when you properly think it through, that is correct. The rear axle with its suspension parts are much heavier than the individual suspension setup in the front and thus the weight for the wheel to push up is much higher, thus things don't happen enough fast and rim gets damaged. Super interesting. 🤔 This is the reason why I watch your channel. 😄
It would be event less, unless they found a way to ignite it, open spark, etc! (Me who never shuts off vehicle for 25 years, unless I have to park and pee)
I once had to get permission from a service station to refuel my car while the engine was running because the alternator was toast and I couldn't guarantee it would restart. I can confirm absolutely nothing happened.
Good demo and most points. However if it was missed; slow down before the bump or pot hole rail road tracks etc., if you know it is there, and be sure to have no brake or gas when going over those things directly. The reason why the rim bent on the inside is do to the support of the rim center. More over hang = less support.
I think its just crazy to watch the front wheel suspension move as a mass counter clockwise after it hits the pothole. Its amazing how much give the suspension has
That is correct... never brake when you are about to hit a big pothole.... And if you drive a manual front wheel drive car you can also put the clutch in or put it in neutral... In that way you are releasing even more load from the front axel
GOD THANKS now we know, how this PARTICULAR CAR and PARTICULAR POTHOLE interact! what a bliss! i couldn't live without this information anymore, that's for sure.
It makes sense why the inner side of the front wheel would take the most force, when the independent suspension bottom out. This is where the wheel is at maximum camber, thus the bottom inner part of the wheel is closest to the ground. Also, the slow motion camera shows that the suspension is being push back, or more aptly turning a bit to the left, making the inner front of the wheel to be closest to the pothole. All of this happens as the tire is compressing. The tire may strike the pothole square on, but the wheel hits while the top is leaning in and turning a little to the left.
Dude, the content was really good and interesting and practical, and I exactly agree with your opinion on this matter, you are very creative and have interesting and good ideas, thank you
I do this experiment every day going from home to work and back.
OH, why are you going to and from work multiple times at different speeds? 😂😂(bad joke)
Different results ?
Me too. In India 😂
Same in South Africa
@@Oldguy69Mrsame here in jamaica 😂 my god the pot holes are deadly😂😂😂😂😢
Lada would be good car for Pennsylvania roads. Running joke in PA is if you're weaving you're sober and if you drive straight you're drunk (because of all the potholes)
hey that's true for Malaysian roads too!
Im Romania is same , same roads , same joke .xD
@@riox3604 Also official state flower is the mountain laurel, but unofficial flower is the road cone
I had this same thought last week, "if a cop was watching he'd think I was plastered"
come to Borneo. Sabah specifically. you would cry everytime you travel from one destination to another destination.
Remember that this is Lada, regular modern car will be wrecked after 1st attempt.
Yep
true 😅you go over one pothole and you'll see 900 errors on the screen and half your electronics die
@@keatonwastakentrue😅😅😅😅😅😅
Yep, rubber band tires.
Tall sidewalls are even disappearing on trucks of all things.
Alloy rims go _Snap_
Man your guy's production value is great. Im glad you guys kept going.
They were going to stop?
and yet people steal their hard work
@@CrackedDylMilnot exactly to easy to monetize youtube in russia
gay
dude plays beamng in real life
I've got hundreds of hours on that game but the one thing they don't get right are the suspension components. You can jump a car from 50 ft and it will deform the entire frame, but your ball joints remain intact, your tie rod ends remain intact, the spring although compressed further doesn't break, essentially you can continue driving around. In reality a 50 foot jump or even a 10-foot jump would blow out ball joints and tie rod ends, among other suspension links leaving your tires hanging.
@@sacr3 This game is still in early acess / beta. so It has a long way to go still. But its the worlds most realistic game we ever got. so it can pass
@@sacr3hundreds? I got over 2500.
@@sacr3keep in mind that beamng is literally just a bunch of nodes and beams, that being said you could try coding it In yourself..
I've never played it because it still looks too video gamey, but I hope development continues.
When Lada pass through potholes, the world spins. This is named day
🤣
@VictorOliveira-94 you sure? I thought that is what causes earthquakes...
"This is named day" huh? What do you mean by that?
@@LLF1234 Ladas turning the Earth around by hitting potholes, causing the day-night cycle.
Before Lada the ancient gods did this, but then they retired.
“Hopefully the suspension will hold up”
Sir, this isn’t car. This is Lada.
Lol Hopefully road holds up to Lada
I drive vaz 2106 from 1986 an it is a good car. Yes it is car thaw was manufactured in 70s but still it is good and fun car
In Russia, you don't test suspension... Suspension tests you.
@@twoeightythreez Appearantly they don't. I'm pretty sure every Russian has a Lada they kept driving every now and than to keep it good to go, just in case... And look at their roads.
This was ingrained in me the first time I drove offroad by my father, brake before you get to the hole then let off as you are about to hit it
Same with speed bumps
@@alfredofettuccine9425 The times I see the speed bump last second and see the passenger brace for impact 😆
😨@@ivonakis
@@ivonakis Get some glasses, or improve your situational awareness.
@@alfredofettuccine9425 Remember my speed bump trick. When u see hump Push brake till 1.5 metre before hump & then slightly accelerate till you cross Hump. Jerk will be smooth. Please Try & reply
in short : suspension struts are made for up- down motion not really for front -rear kicks , thats why
It's a double wishbone suspension, so it was not a strut that broke apart. But a control arm
@@player1GR it's a lada
@@ValentineC137 cap
I love listening to people that know nothing about cars trying to explain car stuff
Remember this person did this experiment at the cost of his vehicle and small resources that he had available to him apart from his time for our benefit. He sustained so much pain and hardship several times so that us viewers can understand. He deserves a donation.
I am Uber driver on Texas/Mexico border. I promise you I spend more money and back pain and actual headaches. I need everyone to tip me but they never do.
Your experiments help us in real life... 1% of TH-cam videoz are useful you are among this.
बरोबर 💯
True, after his oil flushing experiment, I always flush my motorcycle with cheap oil before filling it with my favorite oil.
i learned nothing from this video
4:21 "that was very unpleasant"
Somehow I don't think that was his exact words 🤣
Believe it or not - they were, with an ой блин (aww, shucks!) added before :)
@@MichalKobuszewski ow, pancake 😂
(I know it's a substitute for blyat, like shoot is a substitute for shit)
Around 2005 my neighbor had his ‘03 Tacoma towed into his driveway. I was a kid at the time and I remember looking at the wheel and his Toyota alloy had a massive hole brown through it. To this day I marveled at what set of circumstances could have caused this and now I think I know the answer all these years later, thanks G54
I teach this to people all the time:
Any pothole or even bumps you see in the road, your first instinct is to step on the brakes. But that can cause damage, so if you do, right as you reach the obstacle, LET GO OF THE BRAKES AND LET IT COAST OVER. Saves a bad day from getting worse.
Thank you for the upload Garage54, awesome content.
And thanks to BMI Russian for the translation and voice over.
LOVE it!
Number 1 Automotive Science channel on TH-cam!
The good thing about steel wheels is that they are very easily repaired.
An alloy that's been bent or cracked must be replaced.
Yes, I'm aware that alloys can be "repaired" but not without special tools while also making them brittle and unsafe.
Steel reems are much more resistent to scratches. Thats their biggest advantage to alloys. They dont need repairs in this situation.
Or you could get smaller diameter alloys with a higher profile tyre, so you don't need to recalibrate your speedometer but you gain some resilience to potholes.
This is valuable information for the UK due to the shocking state of our roads.
Can't be much worse than America! Our roads are trash!
In the UK you drive on the left. In Finland we drive on what’s left honestly. Our roads nowadays are worse than those in Russia.
@@cigarsgunsanddiesel8032 y'all come to Romania, and u will pray for roads like in America
@@cigarsgunsanddiesel8032 depends on which state. I've been around a bit of the west coast and most of the east and i'd say the worst i've seen it is around new york (mostly near manhattan, upstate was rather nice) and north carolina. outside of those, it's mostly smooth driving with very few potholes unless you venture more than a few miles off the main interstate into a small town.
NZ govt has just allocated 4 billion dollars to fix potholes over the next few years!
This was translated into English very well. Great job!
Thanx
This is why a large profile tire is better than a rubber band tire
Unless you drive a sports car, where the better sidewall strength (reducing roll and increasing grip in tight corners) of narrow tires are worth the trade-offs in comfort and robustness.
@@LRM12o8 Yeah the sidewall size of a tire just depends on what you're looking for when driving. Larger sidewall makes the entire suspension geometry feel softer and allows the tire to flex much more before providing feedback that you lose grip and vice versa for smaller sidewalls
Well, the bigger the sidewall the less is the response from gas, brakes and steering wheel
Many SUV's are marketed with offroad capability but come with low profile tires 😅
I guess it's all about trade offs.
@@LRM12o8 have you seen Formula One car with Low Profile tire?
Have you seen LeMan car with Low Profile tire? They're obviously a tier above sports car
Have you seen Rally Car with Low Profile tire?
Oi! That's a lot of Oi's in the video. Lols, great stuff as usual, fellas.
Oi
Ideal strategy. Full throttle to take weight off front tires, until your front has cleared the pot hole, then slam on the brake to weight transfer to the front wheels.
Let's say you see a pothole driving at 60 km/hr. As per your strategy you slam the accelerator, making you cross the pothole at 72 km/hr. That's 20 metres per second. Let's say you're driving a high end sedan, with a generous wheelbase of 2.8 metres. That means you've got 0.14 seconds between the impact of your front and rear wheels with the rising edge of said pothole.
0.14 sec is definitely a very small amount for you to time and react, but that's not even the real issue. You have to also consider the time for the car's brake actuator to react to your input, then start to apply brakes, then the car slowing down, and finally, the weight shift to occur. The lag introduced by all these mechanical, pneumatic and hydraulic and electronic systems means it's practically not possible to use this strategy at all for crossing potholes safely. I liked the thought process, though.!
@@19godfather93 Yeah, it was mostly just a joke but it can work at a real slow speed. If you are crawling along in rough terrain at like 15 km/h it's more useful.
Also, the lag is not a factor since it can be predicted. I don't need to wait to feel my front wheels hit the pot hole, i can predict when this is going to happen and I can predict how long it takes to shift the weight. Though it would require practice and who would practice such a thing? A rally driver perhaps?
that’s what off road racers do
My strategy for bumps is to brake sharply before the bump to compress the front suspension, then release the brakes to allow the suspension to rebound so the front of the car is rising _as_ I hit the bump. For holes I suppose one could argue that this would cause the rebounding suspension to force the wheel down into the hole, making matters worse? Either way, I try never to be on the brakes at the moment of hitting the hole/bump.
Moral of the story. Go as fast as possible through pot holes.
that's horrible
i think it depends on eg your tires and THE CAR that you drive you can't compare an american car or a japanese car's suspension system to that of a german car while a mercedes might OUT perform other cars when you have 20inch wheels you can't just go fast anymore you will slash your tires
Learn that going to and from PHILADELPHIA. stop and go vs typical everyone going 15 over the speed limit minimum. Faster was way more comfortable ride.
yea as long as you dont have rubber band tires then ur good
I actually do that on potholed stretches. My family thinks I am mad
@@fredrezfield1629That's horribel.
The faster you go over a pothole the less time for your tire to drop down in the pothole.
Doesn't matter what brand of car you're driving.
I bought a brand new Lada in 1982 in Belgium for around $2700 USA. It was tax free and had to be exported. We travelled for 6 months around Europe. It was a great little car, even for sleeping in some of the time! Bought another new one here in New Zealand, but was not the same quality.
NZ used to swap them for butter!
This is so much a mythbuster about cars. Awesome production, guys 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Awesome! Very good to see what happens. Very educative and informative. In Brazil cars are used to that type of road. And also NEVER BRAKE on a speedbump also! Accelerate it!. If tou brake, it will brake the engine and suspension. But good luck braking after that and maintaining straight. Cheers
You can brake before then release to extend the suspension. A timing thing
@@Blanchy10 exactly! Brake before, and then accelerate slightly to raise the front even more.
Great advice, thank you, sacrificial Lada.
0:40 "What you're doing's the best." Thanks, man!
Pot hole?
That is like a grave.
Regular pothole in Russia (as a Russian)
Lol
Another awesome video, I'm using driving fast enough that potholes aren't much of a problem, but when someone unexpected comes along I usually just hit the clutch and after taking the hole let the clutch out and keep driving. I once went right over a median as it was brand new and hadn't been there before. I'd gotten over into the turning lane a little early like I always do, but being night blind and not having bright headlights, I didn't see the freshly installed curb thay put in what used to be a turning lane the entire time until it was much to late to stop. I was going about 80 kilometers per hour and I didn't see it till I was about 15 meters from it. I had a car next to me at the moment so I couldn't just jump back in the lane I'd came from so I simply hit the clutch and went right over it, then I proceeded to the light and did the necessary U-turn to reach the gas station that I was already going to. While there, I checked me car out (tires and wheels) and everything was fine. The driver can make all the difference regardless of the car. A bad driver can make even the best cars bad, but a good driver can make good of pretty much anything that runs.
I still have yet to find any pot in these "pot holes" . . . Maybe one day I'll get lucky and find an ounce in one. Seems everyone gets there before me or something .
You snooze, you lose. Have to be up early to get the pot. The mailman probably takes it, he's driving around in the early morning hours.
Oh, that kind of pot. I thought it was a cooking utensil !
Lmao my guy
For those that don't know, the name "pothole" comes from the pre-industrial era.
Potters (pottery makers) need good clay to make their pots and cart ruts often exposed this clay beneath the soil where they would dig "potholes".
You're welcome 🤗
I know what you all are thinking "early bird gets the worm" lest ye forget "it's the second mouse that gets the cheez" 🧀
Love your videos.....this is the best video regarding damage done when braking through potholes. And the fact that you guys is willing to do experiments even it couse damage and carnage, it is not always the things a person will do but it show what can be done and much more.....keep the contend comming and educate the world ❤
That actually looks like a kind of a cool car. Don't think I remember ever seeing a Lada wagon on here before. I hope the car doesn't get totally destroyed.
great content! learned probably one of the most important aspect of driving with a low profile rubber.
Also you should always release the brake right before you go over a speed bump no matter how fast you're going.
First pothole on my e-scooter saved successfully by instinct. I just added throttle (current speed 45Km/h) and leaned backwards.
I made it over a few more sudden situations later like that. I somehow realized fast that braking would mean catapultation over the handlebar :D
Here in South Africa, we struggle to find a road with no potholes! 😂
What we, or what I sometimes do if I can avoid the hole is to tap the brake just before I hit it, then floor it through the hole.
In my brain, this causes the front to dip, then lift as it goes through, sort of jumping the hole if you can understand what I mean.
Maybe you could try this and a few other things to try and save your tires.
They also say the faster you go, the lest damage, but you need to go way faster than 30kph. Maybe 80 - 100 over that hole to make a difference.
You are right. This is how I also doing in CHICAGO USA...
We have shit roads but they arent thay bad
The rear axle drops down at an angle because of the solid axle and more of the weight shifts to that corner.
imagine this with 18's 19's 20's that today's cars run
As someone who works with that kind of rims i can tell you I've seen some rims almost squared from impact's like that
@@mishopetkov7633 back when 18" rims were big and 20"s were show off status I got a sedan in for tires that had about 3- 6 lumps on each wheel... All 4 alloys.
I wondered how many tires that person had been through.
The car was used and being refreshed for sale, so all the tires on it were mismatched in brand and wear (yet it was a 2 year old off lease car).
We replaced the wheels obviously, it was crazy to see so much damage. The car was also pretty dented up. An obvious city car.
Yep. I have 17s with 35 series on the rear and 40's on the front tires on my 2000 Camaro. I try to avoid potholes if possible.
rollin happy on my 16's
Depends my moms van on 17s could tank a pothole like that easily (at least 3 inches of sidewall)
My dad’s car on 17s would be f’ed
I think that's one of the nicest Ladas you guys have had. That thing is NICE!
1:26 the car quietly going away
Forget Tesla's autopilot. Lada already had it in the '80s 🤣
It's running for it's life
Great video! I drive high mileage in cars with sporting suspension and never damage or blow out tires, or damage wheels, and have only ever had two or three alignments (necessary after long-lived tie rod replacements) in over 900k+ miles, and my front end components also tend to last a lot longer vs other people around here and the only reason I could come up with is that I lift off the brake before impacting a pot hole whenever possible (even if that means heavier braking before hand), which I've done since shortly after I began driving. I started doing it because I had cheap cars in the days before ABS and doing this prevented lock up that increased braking distances as well as not feeling nearly as hard a hit at the wheels, which led me to think the impact forces at the pot hole trailing edge were being more concentrated to a single point as the wheel locked up when it became unloaded after passing the leading edge of the pothole as demonstrated here. I also run my tires on the higher side for pressures.
I wonder how a Citroen hydropneumatic suspension would hold up to that test
skim right over the pothole, this is lada suspension we're talking about
The car would be totaled instantly
This is why driving instructors always tell you to look and plan far ahead of where you're driving.
That way you can see these potholes (or any other obstacles) and avoid them before it's too late.
The more information you can gather early while driving, the more time you have to react.
We once went with Ford transit on highway in the night. Empty road, we went like 120 or so, suddenly we dropped with bang. Road there was suppose to be repaired and they indeed scrape down top 8 cm of road, but either they didn't mark it or somebody stole the sings. In any case, here it was, almost ten centimeters drop down on the highway in the night. But it woke us up, not gonna lie.
120 in a transit? God damn. The president really needed those secret documents.
I think a transit connect or even the rwd ones could do 120 but I'm surprised they aren't limited slower@@PlasticCogLiquid
@@PlasticCogLiquidkm/h
@@kiinanomistaja2402 Ahhh yes, that makes sense
@@PlasticCogLiquid Didn't realize you might not be from Europe :D Yeah, 120 km/h.
This is one of the best car channels on all of TH-cam, no matter the language.
I've also seen broken/bent tie rods as well due to pot hole hits.
Brilliant video & great "real world" conclusions. Thanks guys👍
Not just the pothole itself but the amount of cushioning the tyre wall has to provide for the impact. It will either harshen or handle it. Perfect example would be hitting a pothole on low profile tyres such as a 245/30/R20 compared to a 265/75/R16. More cushioning it has the less damage and the better the wheel will handle it. A low profile would completely shatter or crack. Tyre pressures play a huge roll in hitting holes. Wheel material and design plus the weight. With just 1 pothole I wrecked/Buckled 3 wheels. Whenever I can I will slow down and swerve around the pothole if safe to do so. As displayed in this video. Great video thanks for sharing.😁👍
"Unsprung weight" -- great insight!
My working theory as to why the rear tire was the one taking the most damage is that it has an additional downward force as the front of the car is going up while the rear wheel is hitting the pot hole (at 35kmh) this means it actually hits harder than the front tire, as the front tire only has the force of gravity working downward when it hits the other side of the pothole.
Why?.....Chicken thigh...! That was funny!
Thanks, this video provides valuable education via live demonstration.
Lada #437 Pothole Test :) These guys have an endless supply of Ladas ahahahah I love it🎉🎉🎉
I miss my old Lada. 😢
So if you see a pothole speed up. got it!👍 It would have been good if you put an old engine in the boot to see what the extra load would do to the back wheel.
Keep up the awesome videos. You always have such quality stuff.
Sweet new camera!
These are the guys I picture doing all the actual work on all those crazy builds on Top Gear, would love to see Clarkson and the guys on Garage 54 tbh
Hole-y cow! That's a Lada damage. Wheel need to remember not to hold the brakes down over a pothole.
Something I noticed.....look very closely at the front wheel at 35KMH (time 4:35 and 5:21). The camber and toe was affected. It was toed out a hair after the hit, and cambered out towards the bottom. Little story. My mom had a 1996 Jeep Grand Cherokee a while back. Solid front and rear axle. She hit a frost heave at 40mph and it bottomed out hard enough to dent the top of the axle tube in the front.
Is "Why?" "Chicken Thigh" the same as the American phrase "What?" "Chicken Butt"? Hearing the translation and seeing it come from that guy was too funny.
Great channel, this. Learned a lot from this channel !
The speed isn't the only answer to the destruction. It's an equation of wheel size, speed, pot hole depth and pot hole lenght.
But hey, now you know if you have 1 and an half long poth hole lada wheel driving around 35km/h, you wont like it.
Have got 155/70R13 tires mounted, relatively high cheekes and have tought myself to brake before and after the suspension gets a hit, but never during the hit because of what you guys have just proven
Unsprung weight, the real deal ! Funny how every auto maker are selling new advanced comfy slushbox with anchor 20" alloy rim nowadays as an improvement ! The reason why lightweight shitboxes are so confortable offroad compared to heavy SUV & pickup trucks.
I hit a 4x10 or so piece of lumber in the road at about 50mph with a dodge promaster city van. It has regular steel wheels and tires like an old car. No damage. I was surprised
That hit with the low profile while braking on the steel rim... DAMN😮
Can i sue Government for Pothole damage to my car ?😂
some countries you can, but knows who will judge it?
A lot of municipalities have a claims form to get reimbursed for pot hole damage, yes.
Yes go sue Putin 😂
@@ivanjovanovic362😂😂😂
@@rian0xFFF yeah we can. It depends on how sever it is and whats the outcome. it's the same with having wrong variable message sign speed limits on highway with heavy rain or snow. if there is damage then there is failure to maintain the proper road conditions.
It's really cool that although the front is under much more load from the position of the engine, transmission, and driver, the rear still took damage first, all because of the un sprung mass of that rear axle, and the design of the rear suspension as a whole, not allowing the wheel to move nearly as freely forward or backwards in the wheel well, while the front suspension's design naturally gave it extra give forwards and backwards, because of its bushings and geometry.
Another great experiment!
8:15 That's super interesting to know. 🤔 But when you properly think it through, that is correct. The rear axle with its suspension parts are much heavier than the individual suspension setup in the front and thus the weight for the wheel to push up is much higher, thus things don't happen enough fast and rim gets damaged. Super interesting. 🤔 This is the reason why I watch your channel. 😄
That a bomb crater!
This was well done. It was a fun video with great video production quality. Reminds me of the old Mythbusters show
We don't have potholes in the UK, we have one big pothole with some tarmac every now and then.
Gotta be ready for that surprise tarmac.
thank you for your practical demonstration and advice.
"Wheel take it easy" 💀
I love your guys channel you and your guys are genius.ive been binge-watching all your videos you're 6 cylinder engine was amazing
You should test the myth about fueling a car with the engine running 💀
It would be event less, unless they found a way to ignite it, open spark, etc!
(Me who never shuts off vehicle for 25 years, unless I have to park and pee)
Ex-gf: "You're supposed to turn the car off?? Then how do I keep the AC on?"
You'll be fine... probably.
you can test it yourself by leaving the engine running next time you fill up
absolutely nothing will happen
I do this all the time, and nothing happens,
I once had to get permission from a service station to refuel my car while the engine was running because the alternator was toast and I couldn't guarantee it would restart. I can confirm absolutely nothing happened.
Braking loads up the front wheels with extra downward force as well as the force acting to slow the vehicle.
Next, we crash Lada into wall to see at what speed damage occurs.
Damage to the wall, or to the Lada?
Good demo and most points. However if it was missed; slow down before the bump or pot hole rail road tracks etc., if you know it is there, and be sure to have no brake or gas when going over those things directly.
The reason why the rim bent on the inside is do to the support of the rim center. More over hang = less support.
GARAGE 54 FANS RISE UP.
I think its just crazy to watch the front wheel suspension move as a mass counter clockwise after it hits the pothole. Its amazing how much give the suspension has
Thanks for jump starting my tinnitus.
I was like "wtf is that, are my ears actually hearing that?" Haha
That is correct... never brake when you are about to hit a big pothole.... And if you drive a manual front wheel drive car you can also put the clutch in or put it in neutral... In that way you are releasing even more load from the front axel
I love my Russian automotive mythbusters ❤
but gurIs love braking while hittingba pothole tho
GOD THANKS now we know, how this PARTICULAR CAR and PARTICULAR POTHOLE interact! what a bliss!
i couldn't live without this information anymore, that's for sure.
Brakes? No.. I just steer around obstacles.
it depends on the speed! you might lose control when you're so close to the obstacle.
@@zf8496 and also a little time to check the mirrors
Alloy rims would shatter under most of these scenarios!
Now I know not to brake when going through a pot hole! Thanks!
Next you should grossly overfill the tires and see what happens
They already did that a few weeks ago and also Concrete, Expanding foam and Solid Rubber Suspension.
Finally a documentary scratching the surface of the world of potholes.
Thanks for your works and research. Now we knew, just sped along the port hole.
It makes sense why the inner side of the front wheel would take the most force, when the independent suspension bottom out. This is where the wheel is at maximum camber, thus the bottom inner part of the wheel is closest to the ground. Also, the slow motion camera shows that the suspension is being push back, or more aptly turning a bit to the left, making the inner front of the wheel to be closest to the pothole. All of this happens as the tire is compressing. The tire may strike the pothole square on, but the wheel hits while the top is leaning in and turning a little to the left.
Don't ever quit you guys are awesome
Thx for showing. That was awesome. Very useful video. Feeling sad for the damage.
Wow 😮 that is solid information. Great work guys.
Thank you for your tips! ❤
Top notch science experiment right there, answers the questions everyone had.
Dude, the content was really good and interesting and practical, and I exactly agree with your opinion on this matter, you are very creative and have interesting and good ideas, thank you
it's not just wheels and tires, also chassis gets bent. Very useful video. Thanks