This is exactly what I needed to hear. I was falling into the trap of pride. I will be praying the litany of humility from here on in. Thank you Steve, and thank you Fr. Ripperger.
And this is exactly the chink in the armor . Of the Traditionalist movement . The sin of pride and arrogance.. And one I tried to tell some trads that I hang out with . This in charity they lost their temper .
I have been graced to see problems in the church. My sorrow was very heavy. But then I realized I could offer my charity by fasting and sacrifice. Ultimately, I must trust.
Thank you for this video. It clarified some things for me. I feel a draw to frequent the Latin mass more but I have been a little concerned about the issues (defects) that this priest spoke well about and I am glad he addressed the concerns I had regarding the groups that believe that the office of the pope is vacant and the validity of the contempory mass. Last year I found a site on Facebook called, "Defeat Modernism" which caused me great confusion leading to despairing feelings and when I tried to address the host(s) of a the site I was treated very uncharitable. I also appreciate the words of warning and caution concening reading material as I have also experienced what he addressed in that area. Very timely for me to listen to it this evening and an answer to one of my prayers. I feel more at peace. Since so this priest touched upon observences/preceptions and possible issues his clarification has helped my discernment procress thus I plan to engage more often and more fully in the Latin Mass. God Bless!
You know, this is one of the most illuminating homilies I've listened to in a long time, and in my case, that's saying something. Not only that, I can tell who in these comments hasn't heard it yet.
The problems as I see them are not enough Priests to be able to have a Latin Tridentine Mass in every city as used to be. Many have to travel, sometimes, many hours to find a Latin Tridentine Mass. I do see a great increase of those who attend the Tridentine Mass and find that very enouraging. Hopefully there will be a great increase in Priest who say this Mass that has been for centuries and is the most beautiful thing this side of Heaven.
I kept this one in my files for a good reminder. Fr. Ripperger is always my go to resource for the facts and putting me in check....guilty as charged. Thank you Father once again for an excellent sermon!
Father Ripperger is an excellent example of someone who teaches 'with authority.' I believe this is what the Gospel writers meant when they said that Jesus spoke with authority.
I really appreciate this video. I've made progress in not dwelling on the problems in the Church. I realized that the Church is in Her passion and I have to be willing to suffer during this time. I also received the grace to extricate myself from this mess. I memorized a good prayer for the Clergy and Pope a long time ago that I continue to pray. Imagine, if I actually said something that made a difference! May be....image these hierarchy being converted. My disappointment in them only hurt myself. Voicing it surely hasn't changed anything. Same with our Godless Catholic politicians. It's important for me to remember God will take care of this mess in the end. I think everybody is heartbroken watching the dismantling of our beloved faith.
Thank you Father Ripperger... I wish I'd had access to these teachings within the last four years. It could, very likely, have saved a relationship now divided... The merciful grace of God is essential to our understanding of faith and reason!
Father, THANK YOU for all the important talks. VERY useful and enlightening in these demanding and challenging times. You are constantly in my prayers. God bless.
Thanks Fr. We Catholics need this all the more, we denounce the errors in the Church and the outside world, but we have also allowed the demons to work among us and divide us, drive us away from love of Jesus. I need to remember this very well.
I've heard it said that the people will get the kind of government they deserve. It's probably also true concerning the Church. Archbishop Sheen said the laity are the ones who need to stand up to the Clergy. Maybe we are guilty of not doing that. I am, I think.
This is an extremely important video, it's a shame it has only 20 thousand - ish views. I stopped following a lot of traditional catholic accounts on social media and youtube, because those people (mostly lay people) behind it imho have no humility. And the part where father says to be aware of curiosity is also so, so important, the people I allready mentioned hold no breaks when investigating the situation in the church. Imho, if you're on the internet posting stuff related to church/faith you have to comunicate with a priest (spiritual director) about what you're posting and be submissive to him when he tells you not to post something. Pride plays such a huge roll in this ''I don't need a priest to tell me what to post, I post the truth, that can't be wrong, if priest tells me not to post the truth he's a bad priest''. These people think they can do no wrong.
The problem is not in the Church, but on the individuals who suppose to lead the church in good way. It is easy for the people to blame the church instead of the individuals. The devout Catholics need to strengthen their faith and deserved to have good individuals to govern the church. The prayers of the devout Catholics is all we need to help those individuals to really discern Go’s will that they can lead the church on the right path. It is not sin also for the devout Catholics to criticize the individuals in the Church, and we have lots of example in the Bible on how the prophets criticized the kings who were openly ignorant to the commands of God and by giving the critic it doesn’t mean that you are desecrating the church or playing down the roles of the individuals who lead the church. I wouldn’t say this is the problem of the traditionalists, but this is could be one of the means that God uses to cleanse the church up or to bring back the sanctity of the Church (if you want to say that way). So, in come way I am proud for having devout Catholics in the church and I have seen that they are really smart, they understand the Bible, Canon Law, Moral, Theology, History, Tradition really well than I do. These people speak out of what they’ve observed in the Bible, History, Theology, etc, and are helping the church in someway to get back to the holy track.
So would I be on the right track to understand that, when the Holy Father speaks of Ridgid people, that ( Ridgidity: is where we allow our passions to give cause in making judgments, that can be in excess or defect to the Church. )
It's really just a loosely applied to term for individuals who prefer the TLM. It encompasses a wide range of views and differing ideas. It can go all the way from someone who occasionally attends a diocesan TLM to someone who is a sedevacantist and does not even believe that the Novus Ordo is valid.
I don't agree that traditionalist "see all the problems in the church". What I hear is that traditionalist perseverate on the same three problems, and miss the principle problem. There's this belief among traditionalist that if we just have the Latin mass, everything will be OK. We had the Latin mass, and everything was not OK. God rejected our worship because it was false and removed the Latin mass. I don't think father emphasized enough that we are under obligation to practice charity to God and neighbor. St. John tells us in his first epistle that we can only be certain of when we practice charity to neighbor. If you have not fallen into grave sin, then in charity, acknowledge that God has preserved you by His grace, not your doing. Traditionalist all seem to think they are holier than everyone else because of something they have accomplished on their own. They say the rosary in Latin, go to the traditional Latin mass, etc. and they succumb to legalism. We don't need trady pharisees. Give God the glory. If someone has fallen into grave sin, then acknowledge the depth and magnitude of God's merciful love to join all of us and that person in a special way to Himself. “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God before you." Run to your neighbor!
I agree about lack of trads' Charity, but they are right about one thing: what you pray IS what you believe. TLM encompasses the right Catholic beliefs.
It is true that you must not let anger cloud your thinking. We must do things out of the love of God! And we must be just! You thinking is clouded! We must resist Heretics. It would be pretending to think that the man in Rome claiming to be pope shares the same faith as I do. I condemn no one who can not see the vacancy. But to claim that it is an extreme to hold it is not an argument. We must become Holy, yes! The Church is not defective, though it has some sinful members. To think so is to be on the way of losing the faith.
thatjohn22 Pray for our Pope,Bishop's and Priests, religious women,they are baptized Roman Catholics. We all need to pray for each other. Church Militant remember.
Glanslind Ôppadâļing And let us pray for anti Catholic ignoramus bigots who suffer from dumb foolish talk and love to spread lies and misconceptions. Amen.
I use videos on TH-cam to gain more knowledge on Church teaching. You've really got to be careful to make sure you're getting authentic Catechism. There's only a few I spend much time with. This is one (eventhough I started out skeptical). Fatima Center is another. Dr. Taylor Marshall is another, Church Militant (mostly). I wasn't going to, but I'll mention but Fr. Mark Goring, Bishop Barren (always), Renewal Ministries are not sound teaching. I bypass a lot of others like 99 Catholics. Gave up on EWTN. Too much to sort through. Mother Angelina would roll over in her grave. Fr. Pacwa is good. And I see Fr. Coropi is back. He's good (forget the scandal). I stick with what I know to be true because I don't have much time left to waste on what is "kind of" true.
I agree with most of what you say, however, I would re-examine Fr. Pacwa. He is a JPII cultist and for years after his death, called him "great" although his modernism, acts of heresy and blasphemy were PUBLIC. Fr. Pacwa esteems false religions, in line with Benedict XVI. EWTN was heterodox prior to Mother Angelica's death, I am afraid. Mother Angelica swallowed the heresy of ecumenism and was a rabid JPII cultist. She also allowed charismatic crazies like Scott Hahn, Johnette Williams and all Steubenville heretics HOURS of airtime. Her first studio was financed by Jim Baker, notorious Protestant fraud. I believe Mother Angelica started out desiring to be faithful and traditional but ended up duped by JPII. It's available online where Mother Angelica said that "no salvation outside the Church", a dogma was a "heresy the Church once believed", a falsity and a heresy. Fr. Corapi is also a fraud, who name-dropped, was rightfully accused of BOTH impurity and financial malfeasance. I was fooled by him, briefly. I remember his former site: Black Sheepdog, very well; it was more revealing than he intended.
Russell G the novous ordo is without a doubt invalid for if it were not there is no need for traditional chapels, if it was valid and ok then your saying that Lefebvre sinned by Ordaining Traditional Bishop against the will of Rome.... if the novous ordo is ok then you are outside the Church for you are resisting Francis and the V2 adherents (aka JP2, JP1, Benedict XVI, PAUL VI, John XXIII, etc)... to consider it valid along with these recent claimants as True Popes then you are detracting from the Magisterium, your invalidating Vatican 1 and everything before it.... if these are True Popes then the gates of hell have indeed prevailed... this why the TRUE Position is the Sedevacantist position...You are detracting from the Catholic Church to say there is a crises within the Church- this is blasphemy for the Church is indefectible and immaculate! There is no crises within the Church, it simply has been reduced to a remnant!
The Church is made up of men, who are not immaculate. So the Church can never be in distress? Do the sedevacantists believe St. Francis of Assisi is a saint? Christ charged him to, "rebuild my Church". Nothing valid will ever occur outside the bounds of the Church and what has been promised. Throughout time there have been challenging times in the Church, St. Francis of Assisi being one in such a time, but it never makes the Mass invalid, because the apostolic succession will only come through the pope and appointed bishops and priests, through that order. Literally a priest can believe that the true presence is not real, yet during Mass the bread and wine will become the body and blood of Christ through the power of Christ's own words spoken through the priest, made available to the faithful.
TheGreatGizzo I once too did not know what I was talking about when it comes to Catholic Doctrine, but in the interest of your salvation read this and check the references; FYI As Jesus Christ doesn't change neither does Catholic Doctrine for it is revelation directly from God, guarded by the Holy Spirit. APOSTOLIC CONSTITUTION QUO PRIMUM Pope St. Pius V - July 14, 1570 From the very first, upon Our elevation to the chief Apostleship, We gladly turned our mind and energies and directed all out thoughts to those matters which concerned the preservation of a pure liturgy, and We strove with God's help, by every means in our power, to accomplish this purpose. For, besides other decrees of the sacred Council of Trent, there were stipulations for Us to revise and re-edit the sacred books: the Catechism, the Missal and the Breviary. With the Catechism published for the instruction of the faithful, by God's help, and the Breviary thoroughly revised for the worthy praise of God, in order that the Missal and Breviary may be in perfect harmony, as fitting and proper - for its most becoming that there be in the Church only one appropriate manner of reciting the Psalms and only one rite for the celebration of Mass - We deemed it necessary to give our immediate attention to what still remained to be done, viz, the re-editing of the Missal as soon as possible. Hence, We decided to entrust this work to learned men of our selection. They very carefully collated all their work with the ancient codices in Our Vatican Library and with reliable, preserved or emended codices from elsewhere. Besides this, these men consulted the works of ancient and approved authors concerning the same sacred rites; and thus they have restored the Missal itself to the original form and rite of the holy Fathers. When this work has been gone over numerous times and further emended, after serious study and reflection, We commanded that the finished product be printed and published as soon as possible, so that all might enjoy the fruits of this labor; and thus, priests would know which prayers to use and which rites and ceremonies they were required to observe from now on in the celebration of Masses. Let all everywhere adopt and observe what has been handed down by the Holy Roman Church, the Mother and Teacher of the other churches, and let Masses not be sung or read according to any other formula than that of this Missal published by Us. This ordinance applies henceforth, now, and forever, throughout all the provinces of the Christian world, to all patriarchs, cathedral churches, collegiate and parish churches, be they secular or religious, both of men and of women - even of military orders - and of churches or chapels without a specific congregation in which conventual Masses are sung aloud in choir or read privately in accord with the rites and customs of the Roman Church. This Missal is to be used by all churches, even by those which in their authorization are made exempt, whether by Apostolic indult, custom, or privilege, or even if by oath or official confirmation of the Holy See, or have their rights and faculties guaranteed to them by any other manner whatsoever. This new rite alone is to be used unless approval of the practice of saying Mass differently was given at the very time of the institution and confirmation of the church by Apostolic See at least 200 years ago, or unless there has prevailed a custom of a similar kind which has been continuously followed for a period of not less than 200 years, in which most cases We in no wise rescind their above-mentioned prerogative or custom. However, if this Missal, which we have seen fit to publish, be more agreeable to these latter, We grant them permission to celebrate Mass according to its rite, provided they have the consent of their bishop or prelate or of their whole Chapter, everything else to the contrary notwithstanding. All other of the churches referred to above, however, are hereby denied the use of other missals, which are to be discontinued entirely and absolutely; whereas, by this present Constitution, which will be valid henceforth, now, and forever, We order and enjoin that nothing must be added to Our recently published Missal, nothing omitted from it, nor anything whatsoever be changed within it under the penalty of Our displeasure. We specifically command each and every patriarch, administrator, and all other persons or whatever ecclesiastical dignity they may be, be they even cardinals of the Holy Roman Church, or possessed of any other rank or pre-eminence, and We order them in virtue of holy obedience to chant or to read the Mass according to the rite and manner and norm herewith laid down by Us and, hereafter, to discontinue and completely discard all other rubrics and rites of other missals, however ancient, which they have customarily followed; and they must not in celebrating Mass presume to introduce any ceremonies or recite any prayers other than those contained in this Missal. Furthermore, by these presents [this law], in virtue of Our Apostolic authority, We grant and concede in perpetuity that, for the chanting or reading of the Mass in any church whatsoever, this Missal is hereafter to be followed absolutely, without any scruple of conscience or fear of incurring any penalty, judgment, or censure, and may freely and lawfully be used. Nor are superiors, administrators, canons, chaplains, and other secular priests, or religious, of whatever title designated, obliged to celebrate the Mass otherwise than as enjoined by Us. We likewise declare and ordain that no one whosoever is forced or coerced to alter this Missal, and that this present document cannot be revoked or modified, but remain always valid and retain its full force notwithstanding the previous constitutions and decrees of the Holy See, as well as any general or special constitutions or edicts of provincial or synodal councils, and notwithstanding the practice and custom of the aforesaid churches, established by long and immemorial prescription - except, however, if more than two hundred years' standing. It is Our will, therefore, and by the same authority, We decree that, after We publish this constitution and the edition of the Missal, the priests of the Roman Curia are, after thirty days, obliged to chant or read the Mass according to it; all others south of the Alps, after three months; and those beyond the Alps either within six months or whenever the Missal is available for sale. Wherefore, in order that the Missal be preserved incorrupt throughout the whole world and kept free of flaws and errors, the penalty for nonobservance for printers, whether mediately or immediately subject to Our dominion, and that of the Holy Roman Church, will be the forfeiting of their books and a fine of one hundred gold ducats, payable ipso facto to the Apostolic Treasury. Further, as for those located in other parts of the world, the penalty is excommunication latae sententiae, and such other penalties as may in Our judgment be imposed; and We decree by this law that they must not dare or presume either to print or to publish or to sell, or in any way to accept books of this nature without Our approval and consent, or without the express consent of the Apostolic Commissaries of those places, who will be appointed by Us. Said printer must receive a standard Missal and agree faithfully with it and in no wise vary from the Roman Missal of the large type (secundum magnum impressionem). Accordingly, since it would be difficult for this present pronouncement to be sent to all parts of the Christian world and simultaneously come to light everywhere, We direct that it be, as usual, posted and published at the doors of the Basilica of the Prince of the Apostles, also at the Apostolic Chancery, and on the street at Campo Flora; furthermore, We direct that printed copies of this same edict signed by a notary public and made official by an ecclesiastical dignitary possess the same indubitable validity everywhere and in every nation, as if Our manuscript were shown there. Therefore, no one whosoever is permitted to alter this notice of Our permission, statute, ordinance, command, precept, grant, indult, declaration, will, decree, and prohibition. Should know that he will incur the wrath of Almighty God and of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul. Given at St. Peter's in the year of the Lord's Incarnation, 1570, on the 14th of July of the Fifth year of Our Pontificate. www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius05/p5quopri.htm Arnold Gitard you haven't a clue of what your talking about, the entire church with the exception of the Eastern Rite MUST follow Pope St Pius V's rite for ALL time....read it and wake up- here it is above this comment(it's why no one has dared touched it except for satan's infiltrating agents); yes you follow satan's rite not Jesus'.
Erick thehandthatmadeus Vega I have read this bull before, it was a disciplinary matter in the Church, not an infallible teaching on faith or morals which could never be changed through the Church. The Council of Trent declared that the power of changing rites or instituting new ones is always in the Church, St. Pius V would be contradicting this principle expressed at Trent were he to have declared that the Church no longer has this power after Quo Primum. Unless Quo Primum was out of a council and over ruled the Council of Trent, its impossible to make the claims sedevacandists make. Pius V had did not have the power to prevent future popes from making changes to the Mass nor did he intend to, he was binding only lesser authorities from doing so. You are right that Christ never changes, and that doctrine of the Church never changes, such as what the sacraments are and used for. This unchanging characteristic also includes no possibility for the Church to become invalid. Every pope has the fullness of the keys given them by Christ. Here is part of an article written by a scholar. Excerpts from A DEFENCE OF THE PAULINE MASS by John N. Lupia, Ph. D. “Quo Primum [. . . ] “Here we have a papal decree that at first glance seems to be unalterable in any way. In order to understand this decree we must examine the meaning of the term, and how Pope Pius V himself understood the text, how subsequent popes dealt with the issue, and if indeed there was any precedent for the changes in the Pauline Rite Mass. Also Was the Tridentine decree only a reaffirmation of 1500 years of an unchanged Mass, from at least the time of Pope Gregory, as is often alleged? Unfortunately, it seems that 20th century people, read 20th century language in understanding 16th century Church documents. “A careful reading of the text shows that Pope St. Pius V never intended by Quo Primum that further revision of the Roman Missal could never be made, or that no other form of the Roman Mass, could henceforth never be said (as alleged by those against the New Mass). In fact even in Quo Primum he provided for the celebration of other forms of the Mass: rites which had been followed for more than 200 years were specifically exempted from the provisions of Quo Primum and from the use of the St. Pius V Roman Missal (Whitehead, pp. 54-55). “None of the popes who followed St. Pius V felt bound to not make alterations of the Roman rite. These alterations were done long before the New Mass promulgated by Pope Paul VI. As Father Joseph Jungmann, who has done the most thorough study ofthe Roman rite explains "Some real changes since the sixteenth century in the rubrics and in the text of the Missal of Pius V have resulted in certain instances from papal orders, such as Pope Urban VII Pope Clement XII, Pope Leo XIII, and Pope Pius X." (Father Jungmann, The Mass of the Roman Rite, Its Origins and Development, 1950, revised by Charles K. Riepe, Christian Classics, 1974, p. 105). “An interesting parallel is in 1568 the Apostolic Constitution Quod a Vobix. Here the Pope established the new Roman Breviary with forceful language fully as strong as used in Quo Primum. The so-called Traditionalist view, if to be consistent, (just as they highlight there be absolutely no change to the Missal) would have to argue that there could be no change to the Roman Breviary. If that was the case, why did St. Pope Pius X, not hesitate to revise the Roman Breviary in 1911 by means of his own Apostolic Constitution Divino Afflatu? Just as Pope Pius X made a revision, so did Pope Paul VI revise the Roman Missal by means of his Apostolic Constitution Missale Romanum. There were no so-called traditionalists around complaining that Pope St. Pius did not have such authority. The reason is that the Popes did have the authority to revise the Roman Breviary, as well as the Missal. Quod a Vobis says this about the Breviary, just as Quo Primum says about the Roman Missal: Quote: from document "’Therefore, no one whosoever is permitted to alter this letter or heedlessly to venture to go contrary to this notice of Our permission, statute, ordinance, command, precept, grant, indult declaration, will decree and prohibition. Should anyone, however, presume to commit such an act, he should know that he will incur the wrath of Almighty God and of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul.’” “This was a conventional legal formula in papal documents of the day, not something binding on future popes. As Whitehead notes: "Certainly Pope St. Pius X considered it so when he revised the Roman Breviary in 1911 in spite of the identical caveat contained in St. Pius V's Quod a Vobis. He specifically says that he is ordering a "new arrangement" of the Roman Breviary "issued by St. Pius V and revised by Clement VIII, Urban VIII and Leo XIII,"... When Pope Pius X revised the Roman breviary, he even concluded his Apostolic Constitution Divino Afflatu with an ecclesiastical caveat against anyone daring to change his decision which was the established legal form to be attached to papal decree in his time. This was stated even while he was revising this 'in perpetuity' document of the 16th century!! Thus popes using such language do not stop future popes from making changes; it is remarkably similar to the caveat in Quo Primum." (Whitehead, p. 57). Prior to Vatican II, other changes were made to the Missal by Pope Pius XII and John XXIII as well. “ [. . . ] Your position does not add up, given the authority of the Church, given what has been changed in even more forceful bulls. This is because the Church has the authority to do such things, as given in the Council of Trent, as given by Christ. The bull Quo Primum did not change what was believed, just a manner in which the Mass was to be celebrated under that specific time, which was clearly able to be changed by the proper authority of the Church, by the authority Christ gave. The Holy Spirit would not lead the Church Christ established astray. The Holy Spirit would not have led Pope Pius V to write an unchangeable bull in which the Holy Spirit knew would eventually lead the Church into destruction, this is impossible given the promises of Christ. Christ promised to lead the visible Church he established into all truth, not a certain part of the Church, not just those who still cling to a bull which was changeable. Besides this, you believe all the popes in recent years have been invalid and that the chair is vacant. Christ declared Peter by name as the Chief Shepherd. If the there is no Pope, there is no Church, you cannot have a vacant chair over the Church. If this were the case, Christ would be a liar and the Holy Spirit wasn't promised to lead us forever, and that he would not be with us always. Hell has already won if it was able to dismantle the successors to St. Peter, and Christ promised that the fires of Hell would never prevail over his Church.
TheGreatGizzo your wrong, obviously. That decree specifically stated not even the Pope could enact a change to the Rite not the missal; but it doesn't have to be complex because it's not your bad will uses deceit to try to dilute the issue; why is it that antiPope Paul VI changed the Rite of ordination too? Something which came from Christ; you can conceivably make the argument for the vernacularized new "mass" which by the way changed the words of Christ; but what reasoning could of lead to the change the Rite of ordination like the Anglicans did? It's not too hard to figure out, religious freedom, the right to use birth control, sexual education, on and on....all NEW and CONTRARY "doctrines" ... You are not part of the Catholic Church but part of a new end times whore of Babylon, one who doesn't want to convert non Catholics despite God's command to teach all nations or to judge gays. I will try to pray for you, I say try because the list is terribly long, you are blinded by satan who you follow.
Erick thehandthatmadeus Vega So according to you, the visible Church Christ established has become the deceiver of souls and will lead you to hell. Some Church he established. Christ dined with the sinners, the Pharisees were irritated and confused at such a thing. Yes, homosexuality is no praised in the Church, but we will not condemn the person, we condemn the act, just as Christ would have done. He called all to repent, and did not strike them nor judge them. He had an adulterer in his midst and helped her, he did not condemn her. People followed him because of his love and meekness. We can only tell those who are homosexuals, adulterers, sinners, what the right course is, but we will not hate nor condemn you, for Christ said, "neither do I condemn you", and, "I did not come to condemn the world, but to save it." If the Church says a certain Rite is valid, then it is valid. The Rites of Sacraments have undergone changes throughout the history of the Church, and even today is practiced differently across the Rites (ie. Latin, Byzantine, Alexandrian, etc.). So there is no one perfect formula for the Rite of any Sacrament. The Church can determine what Sacramental Rite is valid or not. SACRAMENTUM ORDINIS Apostolic Constitution Of Pope Pius XII on the Sacrament of Order. November 30, 1947 3. "All agree that the Sacraments of the New Law, as sensible signs which produce invisible grace, must both signify the grace which they produce and produce the grace which they signify. Now the effects which must be produced and hence also signified by Sacred Ordination to the Diaconate, the Priesthood, and the Episcopacy, namely power and grace, in all the rites of various times and places in the universal Church, are found to be sufficiently signified by the imposition of hands and the words which determine it. Besides, every one knows that the Roman Church has always held as valid Ordinations conferred according to the Greek rite without the traditio instrumentorum; so that in the very Council of Florence, in which was effected the union of the Greeks with the Roman Church, the Greeks were not required to change their rite of Ordination or to add to it the traditio instrumentorum: and it was the will of the Church that in Rome itself the Greeks should be ordained according to their own rite. It follows that, even according to the mind of the Council of Florence itself, the traditio instrumentorum is not required for the substance and validity of this Sacrament by the will of Our Lord Jesus Christ Himself. If it was at one time necessary even for validity by the will and command of the Church, every one knows that (((((the Church has the power to change and abrogate what she herself has established.")))) ------------------ The form of ordination that was practiced before Vat II was not what Christ laid out, it was what the Church laid out, under Christ's authority which the Church really does still have because Christ promised it. IT is subject to change by he who holds the fullness of the keys to bind and lose. So do you follow the popes of the past, or the current pope of the present and living Church which does have the power to dictate these things? Do you only follow what you personally agree with, or do you submit to the authority of the Church which Christ has entrusted that authority to?
This is exactly what I needed to hear. I was falling into the trap of pride. I will be praying the litany of humility from here on in. Thank you Steve, and thank you Fr. Ripperger.
And this is exactly the chink in the armor . Of the Traditionalist movement . The sin of pride and arrogance.. And one I tried to tell some trads that I hang out with . This in charity they lost their temper .
I have been graced to see problems in the church. My sorrow was very heavy. But then I realized I could offer my charity by fasting and sacrifice. Ultimately, I must trust.
8 years later and its amazing how almost prophetic Father Ripperger's words are.
Here it is 5yrs later, ( I'm new to the faith, just baptised Easter '17)....this helped me so much to hear! Thank you for keeping these available!!
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Important for all TLM Devotees to listen too. Thank you Fr. RP.
Steve D. That’s who he is addressing to.
I think that was directed at me. Thank you God in heaven for giving me this message.
This is a great video I find my self mad at church leaders and not praying for them. I have to work on my charity Ty father
Thank you for this video. It clarified some things for me. I feel a draw to frequent the Latin mass more but I have been a little concerned about the issues (defects) that this priest spoke well about and I am glad he addressed the concerns I had regarding the groups that believe that the office of the pope is vacant and the validity of the contempory mass. Last year I found a site on Facebook called, "Defeat Modernism" which caused me great confusion leading to despairing feelings and when I tried to address the host(s) of a the site I was treated very uncharitable.
I also appreciate the words of warning and caution concening reading material as I have also experienced what he addressed in that area. Very timely for me to listen to it this evening and an answer to one of my prayers. I feel more at peace. Since so this priest touched upon observences/preceptions and possible issues his clarification has helped my discernment procress thus I plan to engage more often and more fully in the Latin Mass. God Bless!
Me too Josh! After becoming a Catholic I started in on some of the things Father is talking about.
You know, this is one of the most illuminating homilies I've listened to in a long time, and in my case, that's saying something. Not only that, I can tell who in these comments hasn't heard it yet.
Excellent Sermon. Thank you for posting this :)
Fr Ripperger always manages to say just what I need te hear. Thank yOu!
Thank you Fr. Ripperger for this homily it is most necessary!
Very true: we must always be on guard, lest we allow such deep problems drag us down and destroy our faith.
The problems as I see them are not enough Priests to be able to have a Latin Tridentine Mass in every city as used to be. Many have to travel, sometimes, many hours to find a Latin Tridentine Mass. I do see a great increase of those who attend the Tridentine Mass and find that very enouraging. Hopefully there will be a great increase in Priest who say this Mass that has been for centuries and is the most beautiful thing this side of Heaven.
If I may be so bold to say, Fr. Chad Ripperger is a saint-in-the-making.
I kept this one in my files for a good reminder.
Fr. Ripperger is always my go to resource for the facts and putting me in check....guilty as charged. Thank you Father once again for an excellent sermon!
Father Ripperger is an excellent example of someone who teaches 'with authority.' I believe this is what the Gospel writers meant when they said that Jesus spoke with authority.
Thank you Father Ripperger, my favorite priest. You are a good shepherd. Thank you sensus fidelium for posting these videos.
Thank you Father. So needed to hear this today! God Bless you
I really appreciate this video. I've made progress in not dwelling on the problems in the Church. I realized that the Church is in Her passion and I have to be willing to suffer during this time. I also received the grace to extricate myself from this mess. I memorized a good prayer for the Clergy and Pope a long time ago that I continue to pray. Imagine, if I actually said something that made a difference! May be....image these hierarchy being converted. My disappointment in them only hurt myself. Voicing it surely hasn't changed anything. Same with our Godless Catholic politicians. It's important for me to remember God will take care of this mess in the end. I think everybody is heartbroken watching the dismantling of our beloved faith.
The gates of hell will never prevail against the Church
Thank you Father Ripperger... I wish I'd had access to these teachings within the last four years. It could, very likely, have saved a relationship now divided... The merciful grace of God is essential to our understanding of faith and reason!
a word in due season. thank you. I needed to hear this.
Father, THANK YOU for all the important talks. VERY useful and enlightening in these demanding and challenging times. You are constantly in my prayers. God bless.
The talks from this priest are fantastic
Thank you Fr and all y'all please pray for Mercy
Thank you father Ripperger, this is very necessary for our times.
I follow Holy Mother Church.
Thanks Fr. We Catholics need this all the more, we denounce the errors in the Church and the outside world, but we have also allowed the demons to work among us and divide us, drive us away from love of Jesus. I need to remember this very well.
I've heard it said that the people will get the kind of government they deserve. It's probably also true concerning the Church. Archbishop Sheen said the laity are the ones who need to stand up to the Clergy. Maybe we are guilty of not doing that. I am, I think.
Thank you 🙏
This is an extremely important video, it's a shame it has only 20 thousand - ish views. I stopped following a lot of traditional catholic accounts on social media and youtube, because those people (mostly lay people) behind it imho have no humility. And the part where father says to be aware of curiosity is also so, so important, the people I allready mentioned hold no breaks when investigating the situation in the church. Imho, if you're on the internet posting stuff related to church/faith you have to comunicate with a priest (spiritual director) about what you're posting and be submissive to him when he tells you not to post something. Pride plays such a huge roll in this ''I don't need a priest to tell me what to post, I post the truth, that can't be wrong, if priest tells me not to post the truth he's a bad priest''. These people think they can do no wrong.
Thank you Fr. Ripperger
"We can merit the grace for them to see it." Who is we, anyone or priests only? 🤔
Thank you, Father. I need to listen to this more
There were a couple times when I just cracked up from seeing the photos throughout the video. :) But anyway, great message. Thanks for sharing.
The problem is not in the Church, but on the individuals who suppose to lead the church in good way. It is easy for the people to blame the church instead of the individuals. The devout Catholics need to strengthen their faith and deserved to have good individuals to govern the church. The prayers of the devout Catholics is all we need to help those individuals to really discern Go’s will that they can lead the church on the right path. It is not sin also for the devout Catholics to criticize the individuals in the Church, and we have lots of example in the Bible on how the prophets criticized the kings who were openly ignorant to the commands of God and by giving the critic it doesn’t mean that you are desecrating the church or playing down the roles of the individuals who lead the church. I wouldn’t say this is the problem of the traditionalists, but this is could be one of the means that God uses to cleanse the church up or to bring back the sanctity of the Church (if you want to say that way). So, in come way I am proud for having devout Catholics in the church and I have seen that they are really smart, they understand the Bible, Canon Law, Moral, Theology, History, Tradition really well than I do. These people speak out of what they’ve observed in the Bible, History, Theology, etc, and are helping the church in someway to get back to the holy track.
Dear Reverend Father Rippinger, can you address the suppression of the Roman Rite Latin Mass and traditional contemplative monks and nuns?
We are all sinners let he who is without sin cast the first stone
Thinking... at every level. Gift application necessary. 🤔💭🕊
So true!!
Amen 🙏
So would I be on the right track to understand that, when the Holy Father speaks of Ridgid people, that ( Ridgidity: is where we allow our passions to give cause in making judgments, that can be in excess or defect to the Church. )
what makes a Catholic a traditionalist?
Hatred for the Post Vatican II popes.
It's really just a loosely applied to term for individuals who prefer the TLM. It encompasses a wide range of views and differing ideas. It can go all the way from someone who occasionally attends a diocesan TLM to someone who is a sedevacantist and does not even believe that the Novus Ordo is valid.
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Hating the Pope doesn't help anything.
@@sweetcaroline2060 I know it doesn't help anything but that's exactly what makes regular Catholics become traditionalists.
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Yes. True 👍. I never felt right about the NO mass anyway.
I don't agree that traditionalist "see all the problems in the church". What I hear is that traditionalist perseverate on the same three problems, and miss the principle problem. There's this belief among traditionalist that if we just have the Latin mass, everything will be OK. We had the Latin mass, and everything was not OK. God rejected our worship because it was false and removed the Latin mass. I don't think father emphasized enough that we are under obligation to practice charity to God and neighbor. St. John tells us in his first epistle that we can only be certain of when we practice charity to neighbor. If you have not fallen into grave sin, then in charity, acknowledge that God has preserved you by His grace, not your doing. Traditionalist all seem to think they are holier than everyone else because of something they have accomplished on their own. They say the rosary in Latin, go to the traditional Latin mass, etc. and they succumb to legalism. We don't need trady pharisees. Give God the glory. If someone has fallen into grave sin, then acknowledge the depth and magnitude of God's merciful love to join all of us and that person in a special way to Himself. “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God before you." Run to your neighbor!
I agree about lack of trads' Charity, but they are right about one thing: what you pray IS what you believe. TLM encompasses the right Catholic beliefs.
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Ao tradutor: laity não significa senhora mas sim leigos
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It is true that you must not let anger cloud your thinking. We must do things out of the love of God! And we must be just! You thinking is clouded! We must resist Heretics. It would be pretending to think that the man in Rome claiming to be pope shares the same faith as I do. I condemn no one who can not see the vacancy. But to claim that it is an extreme to hold it is not an argument. We must become Holy, yes! The Church is not defective, though it has some sinful members. To think so is to be on the way of losing the faith.
thatjohn22 Pray for our Pope,Bishop's and Priests, religious women,they are baptized Roman Catholics. We all need to pray for each other.
Church Militant remember.
Glanslind Ôppadâļing And let us pray for anti Catholic ignoramus bigots who suffer from dumb foolish talk and love to spread lies and misconceptions. Amen.
I use videos on TH-cam to gain more knowledge on Church teaching. You've really got to be careful to make sure you're getting authentic Catechism. There's only a few I spend much time with. This is one (eventhough I started out skeptical). Fatima Center is another. Dr. Taylor Marshall is another, Church Militant (mostly). I wasn't going to, but I'll mention but Fr. Mark Goring, Bishop Barren (always), Renewal Ministries are not sound teaching. I bypass a lot of others like 99 Catholics. Gave up on EWTN. Too much to sort through. Mother Angelina would roll over in her grave. Fr. Pacwa is good. And I see Fr. Coropi is back. He's good (forget the scandal). I stick with what I know to be true because I don't have much time left to waste on what is "kind of" true.
I agree with most of what you say, however, I would re-examine Fr. Pacwa. He is a JPII cultist and for years after his death, called him "great" although his modernism, acts of heresy and blasphemy were PUBLIC. Fr. Pacwa esteems false religions, in line with Benedict XVI. EWTN was heterodox prior to Mother Angelica's death, I am afraid. Mother Angelica swallowed the heresy of ecumenism and was a rabid JPII cultist. She also allowed charismatic crazies like Scott Hahn, Johnette Williams and all Steubenville heretics HOURS of airtime. Her first studio was financed by Jim Baker, notorious Protestant fraud. I believe Mother Angelica started out desiring to be faithful and traditional but ended up duped by JPII. It's available online where Mother Angelica said that "no salvation outside the Church", a dogma was a "heresy the Church once believed", a falsity and a heresy. Fr. Corapi is also a fraud, who name-dropped, was rightfully accused of BOTH impurity and financial malfeasance. I was fooled by him, briefly. I remember his former site: Black Sheepdog, very well; it was more revealing than he intended.
Sedevacantists follow the Council of Trent, not the false Apostate Church, Vatican 2 Council.
@Joshua Gibson really? So adhering to every dogma of the church is a Protestant with more steps?
Jesus promised to guide His church till the end of time. Peace be with you.
@@beatlecristian The Vatican is controlled by the jews. Just like every other institution in the west. I don't know what's so hard to grasp about this
@joshuagibson4536 If anything that’s Vatican II, you guys are the ones who believe in ecumenism with protestants…
They commit Luther's Sin.
Russell G the novous ordo is without a doubt invalid for if it were not there is no need for traditional chapels, if it was valid and ok then your saying that Lefebvre sinned by Ordaining Traditional Bishop against the will of Rome.... if the novous ordo is ok then you are outside the Church for you are resisting Francis and the V2 adherents (aka JP2, JP1, Benedict XVI, PAUL VI, John XXIII, etc)... to consider it valid along with these recent claimants as True Popes then you are detracting from the Magisterium, your invalidating Vatican 1 and everything before it.... if these are True Popes then the gates of hell have indeed prevailed... this why the TRUE Position is the Sedevacantist position...You are detracting from the Catholic Church to say there is a crises within the Church- this is blasphemy for the Church is indefectible and immaculate! There is no crises within the Church, it simply has been reduced to a remnant!
The Church is made up of men, who are not immaculate. So the Church can never be in distress? Do the sedevacantists believe St. Francis of Assisi is a saint? Christ charged him to, "rebuild my Church". Nothing valid will ever occur outside the bounds of the Church and what has been promised. Throughout time there have been challenging times in the Church, St. Francis of Assisi being one in such a time, but it never makes the Mass invalid, because the apostolic succession will only come through the pope and appointed bishops and priests, through that order. Literally a priest can believe that the true presence is not real, yet during Mass the bread and wine will become the body and blood of Christ through the power of Christ's own words spoken through the priest, made available to the faithful.
TheGreatGizzo I once too did not know what I was talking about when it comes to Catholic Doctrine, but in the interest of your salvation read this and check the references; FYI As Jesus Christ doesn't change neither does Catholic Doctrine for it is revelation directly from God, guarded by the Holy Spirit.
APOSTOLIC CONSTITUTION
QUO PRIMUM
Pope St. Pius V - July 14, 1570
From the very first, upon Our elevation to the chief Apostleship, We gladly turned our mind and energies and directed all out thoughts to those matters which concerned the preservation of a pure liturgy, and We strove with God's help, by every means in our power, to accomplish this purpose. For, besides other decrees of the sacred Council of Trent, there were stipulations for Us to revise and re-edit the sacred books: the Catechism, the Missal and the Breviary. With the Catechism published for the instruction of the faithful, by God's help, and the Breviary thoroughly revised for the worthy praise of God, in order that the Missal and Breviary may be in perfect harmony, as fitting and proper - for its most becoming that there be in the Church only one appropriate manner of reciting the Psalms and only one rite for the celebration of Mass - We deemed it necessary to give our immediate attention to what still remained to be done, viz, the re-editing of the Missal as soon as possible.
Hence, We decided to entrust this work to learned men of our selection. They very carefully collated all their work with the ancient codices in Our Vatican Library and with reliable, preserved or emended codices from elsewhere. Besides this, these men consulted the works of ancient and approved authors concerning the same sacred rites; and thus they have restored the Missal itself to the original form and rite of the holy Fathers. When this work has been gone over numerous times and further emended, after serious study and reflection, We commanded that the finished product be printed and published as soon as possible, so that all might enjoy the fruits of this labor; and thus, priests would know which prayers to use and which rites and ceremonies they were required to observe from now on in the celebration of Masses.
Let all everywhere adopt and observe what has been handed down by the Holy Roman Church, the Mother and Teacher of the other churches, and let Masses not be sung or read according to any other formula than that of this Missal published by Us. This ordinance applies henceforth, now, and forever, throughout all the provinces of the Christian world, to all patriarchs, cathedral churches, collegiate and parish churches, be they secular or religious, both of men and of women - even of military orders - and of churches or chapels without a specific congregation in which conventual Masses are sung aloud in choir or read privately in accord with the rites and customs of the Roman Church. This Missal is to be used by all churches, even by those which in their authorization are made exempt, whether by Apostolic indult, custom, or privilege, or even if by oath or official confirmation of the Holy See, or have their rights and faculties guaranteed to them by any other manner whatsoever.
This new rite alone is to be used unless approval of the practice of saying Mass differently was given at the very time of the institution and confirmation of the church by Apostolic See at least 200 years ago, or unless there has prevailed a custom of a similar kind which has been continuously followed for a period of not less than 200 years, in which most cases We in no wise rescind their above-mentioned prerogative or custom. However, if this Missal, which we have seen fit to publish, be more agreeable to these latter, We grant them permission to celebrate Mass according to its rite, provided they have the consent of their bishop or prelate or of their whole Chapter, everything else to the contrary notwithstanding.
All other of the churches referred to above, however, are hereby denied the use of other missals, which are to be discontinued entirely and absolutely; whereas, by this present Constitution, which will be valid henceforth, now, and forever, We order and enjoin that nothing must be added to Our recently published Missal, nothing omitted from it, nor anything whatsoever be changed within it under the penalty of Our displeasure.
We specifically command each and every patriarch, administrator, and all other persons or whatever ecclesiastical dignity they may be, be they even cardinals of the Holy Roman Church, or possessed of any other rank or pre-eminence, and We order them in virtue of holy obedience to chant or to read the Mass according to the rite and manner and norm herewith laid down by Us and, hereafter, to discontinue and completely discard all other rubrics and rites of other missals, however ancient, which they have customarily followed; and they must not in celebrating Mass presume to introduce any ceremonies or recite any prayers other than those contained in this Missal.
Furthermore, by these presents [this law], in virtue of Our Apostolic authority, We grant and concede in perpetuity that, for the chanting or reading of the Mass in any church whatsoever, this Missal is hereafter to be followed absolutely, without any scruple of conscience or fear of incurring any penalty, judgment, or censure, and may freely and lawfully be used. Nor are superiors, administrators, canons, chaplains, and other secular priests, or religious, of whatever title designated, obliged to celebrate the Mass otherwise than as enjoined by Us. We likewise declare and ordain that no one whosoever is forced or coerced to alter this Missal, and that this present document cannot be revoked or modified, but remain always valid and retain its full force notwithstanding the previous constitutions and decrees of the Holy See, as well as any general or special constitutions or edicts of provincial or synodal councils, and notwithstanding the practice and custom of the aforesaid churches, established by long and immemorial prescription - except, however, if more than two hundred years' standing.
It is Our will, therefore, and by the same authority, We decree that, after We publish this constitution and the edition of the Missal, the priests of the Roman Curia are, after thirty days, obliged to chant or read the Mass according to it; all others south of the Alps, after three months; and those beyond the Alps either within six months or whenever the Missal is available for sale. Wherefore, in order that the Missal be preserved incorrupt throughout the whole world and kept free of flaws and errors, the penalty for nonobservance for printers, whether mediately or immediately subject to Our dominion, and that of the Holy Roman Church, will be the forfeiting of their books and a fine of one hundred gold ducats, payable ipso facto to the Apostolic Treasury. Further, as for those located in other parts of the world, the penalty is excommunication latae sententiae, and such other penalties as may in Our judgment be imposed; and We decree by this law that they must not dare or presume either to print or to publish or to sell, or in any way to accept books of this nature without Our approval and consent, or without the express consent of the Apostolic Commissaries of those places, who will be appointed by Us. Said printer must receive a standard Missal and agree faithfully with it and in no wise vary from the Roman Missal of the large type (secundum magnum impressionem).
Accordingly, since it would be difficult for this present pronouncement to be sent to all parts of the Christian world and simultaneously come to light everywhere, We direct that it be, as usual, posted and published at the doors of the Basilica of the Prince of the Apostles, also at the Apostolic Chancery, and on the street at Campo Flora; furthermore, We direct that printed copies of this same edict signed by a notary public and made official by an ecclesiastical dignitary possess the same indubitable validity everywhere and in every nation, as if Our manuscript were shown there. Therefore, no one whosoever is permitted to alter this notice of Our permission, statute, ordinance, command, precept, grant, indult, declaration, will, decree, and prohibition. Should know that he will incur the wrath of Almighty God and of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul.
Given at St. Peter's in the year of the Lord's Incarnation, 1570, on the 14th of July of the Fifth year of Our Pontificate.
www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius05/p5quopri.htm
Arnold Gitard you haven't a clue of what your talking about, the entire church with the exception of the Eastern Rite MUST follow Pope St Pius V's rite for ALL time....read it and wake up- here it is above this comment(it's why no one has dared touched it except for satan's infiltrating agents); yes you follow satan's rite not Jesus'.
Erick thehandthatmadeus Vega
I have read this bull before, it was a disciplinary matter in the Church, not an infallible teaching on faith or morals which could never be changed through the Church. The Council of Trent declared that the power of changing rites or instituting new ones is always in the Church, St. Pius V would be contradicting this principle expressed at Trent were he to have declared that the Church no longer has this power after Quo Primum. Unless Quo Primum was out of a council and over ruled the Council of Trent, its impossible to make the claims sedevacandists make. Pius V had did not have the power to prevent future popes from making changes to the Mass nor did he intend to, he was binding only lesser authorities from doing so.
You are right that Christ never changes, and that doctrine of the Church never changes, such as what the sacraments are and used for. This unchanging characteristic also includes no possibility for the Church to become invalid. Every pope has the fullness of the keys given them by Christ.
Here is part of an article written by a scholar.
Excerpts from A DEFENCE OF THE PAULINE MASS by John N. Lupia, Ph. D.
“Quo Primum
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“Here we have a papal decree that at first glance seems to be unalterable in any way. In order to understand this decree we must examine the meaning of the term, and how Pope Pius V himself understood the text, how subsequent popes dealt with the issue, and if indeed there was any precedent for the changes in the Pauline Rite Mass. Also Was the Tridentine decree only a reaffirmation of 1500 years of an unchanged Mass, from at least the time of Pope Gregory, as is often alleged? Unfortunately, it seems that 20th century people, read 20th century language in understanding 16th century Church documents.
“A careful reading of the text shows that Pope St. Pius V never intended by Quo Primum that further revision of the Roman Missal could never be made, or that no other form of the Roman Mass, could henceforth never be said (as alleged by those against the New Mass). In fact even in Quo Primum he provided for the celebration of other forms of the Mass: rites which had been followed for more than 200 years were specifically exempted from the provisions of Quo Primum and from the use of the St. Pius V Roman Missal (Whitehead, pp. 54-55).
“None of the popes who followed St. Pius V felt bound to not make alterations of the Roman rite. These alterations were done long before the New Mass promulgated by Pope Paul VI. As Father Joseph Jungmann, who has done the most thorough study ofthe Roman rite explains "Some real changes since the sixteenth century in the rubrics and in the text of the Missal of Pius V have resulted in certain instances from papal orders, such as Pope Urban VII Pope Clement XII, Pope Leo XIII, and Pope Pius X." (Father Jungmann, The Mass of the Roman Rite, Its Origins and Development, 1950, revised by Charles K. Riepe, Christian Classics, 1974, p. 105).
“An interesting parallel is in 1568 the Apostolic Constitution Quod a Vobix. Here the Pope established the new Roman Breviary with forceful language fully as strong as used in Quo Primum. The so-called Traditionalist view, if to be consistent, (just as they highlight there be absolutely no change to the Missal) would have to argue that there could be no change to the Roman Breviary. If that was the case, why did St. Pope Pius X, not hesitate to revise the Roman Breviary in 1911 by means of his own Apostolic Constitution Divino Afflatu? Just as Pope Pius X made a revision, so did Pope Paul VI revise the Roman Missal by means of his Apostolic Constitution Missale Romanum. There were no so-called traditionalists around complaining that Pope St. Pius did not have such authority. The reason is that the Popes did have the authority to revise the Roman Breviary, as well as the Missal.
Quod a Vobis says this about the Breviary, just as Quo Primum says about the Roman Missal:
Quote: from document
"’Therefore, no one whosoever is permitted to alter this letter or heedlessly to venture to go contrary to this notice of Our permission, statute, ordinance, command, precept, grant, indult declaration, will decree and prohibition. Should anyone, however, presume to commit such an act, he should know that he will incur the wrath of Almighty God and of the Blessed Apostles
Peter and Paul.’”
“This was a conventional legal formula in papal documents of the day, not something binding on future popes. As Whitehead notes: "Certainly Pope St. Pius X considered it so when he revised the Roman Breviary in 1911 in spite of the identical caveat contained in St. Pius V's Quod a Vobis. He specifically says that he is ordering a "new arrangement" of the Roman Breviary "issued by St. Pius V and revised by Clement VIII, Urban VIII and Leo XIII,"... When Pope Pius X revised the Roman breviary, he even concluded his Apostolic Constitution Divino Afflatu with an ecclesiastical caveat against anyone daring to change his decision which was the established legal form to be attached to papal decree in his time. This was stated even while he was revising this 'in perpetuity' document of the 16th century!! Thus popes using such language do not stop future popes from making changes; it is remarkably similar to the caveat in Quo Primum." (Whitehead, p. 57). Prior to Vatican II, other changes were made to the Missal by Pope Pius XII and John XXIII as well. “
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Your position does not add up, given the authority of the Church, given what has been changed in even more forceful bulls. This is because the Church has the authority to do such things, as given in the Council of Trent, as given by Christ. The bull Quo Primum did not change what was believed, just a manner in which the Mass was to be celebrated under that specific time, which was clearly able to be changed by the proper authority of the Church, by the authority Christ gave.
The Holy Spirit would not lead the Church Christ established astray. The Holy Spirit would not have led Pope Pius V to write an unchangeable bull in which the Holy Spirit knew would eventually lead the Church into destruction, this is impossible given the promises of Christ. Christ promised to lead the visible Church he established into all truth, not a certain part of the Church, not just those who still cling to a bull which was changeable. Besides this, you believe all the popes in recent years have been invalid and that the chair is vacant. Christ declared Peter by name as the Chief Shepherd. If the there is no Pope, there is no Church, you cannot have a vacant chair over the Church. If this were the case, Christ would be a liar and the Holy Spirit wasn't promised to lead us forever, and that he would not be with us always. Hell has already won if it was able to dismantle the successors to St. Peter, and Christ promised that the fires of Hell would never prevail over his Church.
TheGreatGizzo your wrong, obviously. That decree specifically stated not even the Pope could enact a change to the Rite not the missal; but it doesn't have to be complex because it's not your bad will uses deceit to try to dilute the issue; why is it that antiPope Paul VI changed the Rite of ordination too? Something which came from Christ; you can conceivably make the argument for the vernacularized new "mass" which by the way changed the words of Christ; but what reasoning could of lead to the change the Rite of ordination like the Anglicans did? It's not too hard to figure out, religious freedom, the right to use birth control, sexual education, on and on....all NEW and CONTRARY "doctrines" ... You are not part of the Catholic Church but part of a new end times whore of Babylon, one who doesn't want to convert non Catholics despite God's command to teach all nations or to judge gays. I will try to pray for you, I say try because the list is terribly long, you are blinded by satan who you follow.
Erick thehandthatmadeus Vega So according to you, the visible Church Christ established has become the deceiver of souls and will lead you to hell. Some Church he established.
Christ dined with the sinners, the Pharisees were irritated and confused at such a thing. Yes, homosexuality is no praised in the Church, but we will not condemn the person, we condemn the act, just as Christ would have done. He called all to repent, and did not strike them nor judge them. He had an adulterer in his midst and helped her, he did not condemn her. People followed him because of his love and meekness. We can only tell those who are homosexuals, adulterers, sinners, what the right course is, but we will not hate nor condemn you, for Christ said, "neither do I condemn you", and, "I did not come to condemn the world, but to save it."
If the Church says a certain Rite is valid, then it is valid. The Rites of Sacraments have undergone changes throughout the history of the Church, and even today is practiced differently across the Rites (ie. Latin, Byzantine, Alexandrian, etc.). So there is no one perfect formula for the Rite of any Sacrament. The Church can determine what Sacramental Rite is valid or not.
SACRAMENTUM ORDINIS
Apostolic Constitution Of Pope Pius XII on the Sacrament of Order. November 30, 1947
3. "All agree that the Sacraments of the New Law, as sensible signs which produce invisible grace, must both signify the grace which they produce and produce the grace which they signify. Now the effects which must be produced and hence also signified by Sacred Ordination to the Diaconate, the Priesthood, and the Episcopacy, namely power and grace, in all the rites of various times and places in the universal Church, are found to be sufficiently signified by the imposition of hands and the words which determine it. Besides, every one knows that the Roman Church has always held as valid Ordinations conferred according to the Greek rite without the traditio instrumentorum; so that in the very Council of Florence, in which was effected the union of the Greeks with the Roman Church, the Greeks were not required to change their rite of Ordination or to add to it the traditio instrumentorum: and it was the will of the Church that in Rome itself the Greeks should be ordained according to their own rite. It follows that, even according to the mind of the Council of Florence itself, the traditio instrumentorum is not required for the substance and validity of this Sacrament by the will of Our Lord Jesus Christ Himself. If it was at one time necessary even for validity by the will and command of the Church, every one knows that (((((the Church has the power to change and abrogate what she herself has established."))))
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The form of ordination that was practiced before Vat II was not what Christ laid out, it was what the Church laid out, under Christ's authority which the Church really does still have because Christ promised it. IT is subject to change by he who holds the fullness of the keys to bind and lose.
So do you follow the popes of the past, or the current pope of the present and living Church which does have the power to dictate these things? Do you only follow what you personally agree with, or do you submit to the authority of the Church which Christ has entrusted that authority to?
Maybe Traditionalists are just.... wrong
The speaker is traditionalist priest 😅