@keksinnot Secondly, it depends on how a person defines their god as to whether or not I am an agnostic atheist or a gnostic atheist in light of the claim. So it depends on your definition of "God" whether I "really" hold one or the other.
I want to emphasize that I think you are genuine guy with good intentions who is just trying to strengthen his faith because he thinks it is the most important thing in the world. So I don't want to be too harsh. Because I do know exactly how you feel, exactly how it feels to have that fear that maybe God doesn't exist and that life would be meaningless without him. I used to feel that way too. If you watch my series, you will see why I don't think that anymore and that there is nothing to fear
@1timothy215 Yes! All need to see "The Second Law of Thermodynamics". And, "Quantum Mechanics: Sir Fred Hoyle" = the need for intellegent design to have the amazing carbon atom do it's perfectly coordinated dance. With the Big Bang, NASA's Robert Jastrow said, "Theologians are delighted with the proof that the universe had a beginning, but astronomers are curiously upset. It turns out that the scientist behaves the way the rest of us do when our beliefs are in conflict with the evidence".
1. 10,000 years ago we probably thought fire was magic. 2. Later on we thought it was one of the four elements. 3. Later on we understood it to be a redox reaction. Creationist answers are non-answers masquerading as answers. The implied answer to their question is "magic" Their arrogant assumption is that it will never be answered. Imagine if we had applied this type of thinking to fire.
ever since i was young ive always wondered things that most kids didnt...ive recently come to believe exactly what he said if nothing existed not even space it would have stayed that way, PONDER THIS if the very space between objects is expanding(thus creating time) then what the heck is it expanding into???
@psychedellic420 Well I'm a Christian (Wasn't always). And yeah, I constantly find people asking me what created God, and I think my reasoning is pretty logical. And I just go with science. Sure, you can't really disprove infinity, or God, or even prove it for that matter, but you can make an accurate guess with our current understanding.
@fifelo lol in those modern times yes we did think that and now that we are furthering our study on what we believe, what's going to be the "myth" of our century the belief in God or the non belief? thats why we rely on experts on both sides to help us understand the world...
@C00lblkatheist I'm religious, but I also enjoy following along with both sides of the "Does God Exist" debate. Will you provide me with some information that corresponds to your position on points 2-4? My undergrad degree was in biology, and I'm currently in professional school, so I shouldn't have too much trouble wading through the science. Two things: 1) Dr. Boa didn't mention God of the gaps. 2) I think you stretch the Miller-Urey exp - it only made org. compounds from inorg. compounds.
So: God of the Gaps, which depends on the Argument from Ignorance Fallacy to work: you can't explain how all of this works (which would be necessary to prove that it wasn't God), therefore it was God.
most people dont want to then ask the even bigger question what was before whatever created us? intelligent or not it must have an answer...or does it? see many men across the ages have decided that who/whatever it was existed outside time and space thus the idea of a god and wouldnt have to be created in fact, it created the idea of creation and this is the illusion we will never and are not capable of understanding at least from the inside
@psychedellic420 Yeah but that just refutes your point on "THEN WHAT CREATED GOD". It's logical to believe in God if the Universe had a beginning, therefore a cause. You can believe whatever you want, you can believe that the universe is infinite, but science is different,
@StarRonKid Much in the same way I would say "frogs don't have two heads" generally speaking frogs don't have two heads, there may be a few frogs that do, but its understood I'm not talking about mutant frogs. In the same way I when I say "women don't have more ribs than men" I mean generally speaking. 99% of people have the same number of ribs, as they always have.
@NaturalMiracleMan I can tell you about evidence of God's existence, what leads me and many others to believe in Him. But the question is: do you really want to know? For it is demostrateably true, that who so ever looks for God, will find Him. And not many people want to find Him.
@AHughman08 and back on the topic of God, i'd like to remind you that even if evolution is true, it still does not explain the existence of matter from nothing. it only attempts to explain how a bit of slime morphed into everything we see today. I would still love to see an evolutionary chart where they ended up with something other than a horse after a long line of horses.
@jellybeans68 They actually have plenty of facts. "What made apes start evolving into humans?" Natural selection is what makes things evolve. We're still evolving. There was no starting at apes and finishing at humans, that's just us looking at one chapter in the middle of the book on human ancestry.
@Evid3nc3 If you're referring to the author of this vid, I'm not so sure that he makes these videos to make himself feel better about his faith. I think he does it because he wants to share what he knows (not what he thinks) about God's existence. On the other hand, I've seen your videos as well and know that you, too, are strongly convicted in your beliefs, however, I can't say, that as a Christian, I've turned to God because I'd otherwise think life was meaningless...
@keksinnot Well, depending on one's definition of the term "God," I would agree that it could possibly not be proven nonexistent. However, many definitions of "God" can be. What separates your definition of "God" from being classified as a "fairy-tale creature?" What positive proof do you have that mermaids, abominable snowmen, and leprechauns do not exist anywhere?
@AHughman08 Plenty of "facts" that haven't been "debunked" by creation scientists? Debunked in the same way i used it for Atheists. If our ancestry was apes and apes are still evolving and were still evolving then yes we should still have apes and we still should have humans, but we should also have, alive and well on this planet, creatures who are slightly above ape, creatures that are almost human, and creatures somewhere in between, correct?
@NaturalMiracleMan I could answer your first question a million and more different ways, and that is the reason He can't be classified as a "fairy-tale creature". And thus it follows, that unlike fairy-tale creatures, His existence is not logically impossible (fairy-tale=imaginary). 2. Since you and I do not have [direct] positive proof of mermaids.. , should we then go out and proclaim "we do not believe in mermaids.."? Wouldn't it be meaningless, mindless and illogical?
@keksinnot Then, doesn't that same principle apply even more so to people who claim that mermaids exist, when they have no evidence to back up such a claim? And doesn't this line of reasoning apply to theism in the same way? Also, what is "meaningless, mindless and illogical" in stating that I don't believe in mermaids due to the lack of evidence for their existence? Isn't that a logical, mindful, and meaningful response?
@NaturalMiracleMan It is not irrelevant, for example, scientists look for new evidence, and can be very passionate. Evidence simply does not walk to the scientist. Same way if you do not look for God, you will obviously not find Him. Scriptural evidence. Many Biblical books claim to be prophetic, one of such is Daniel. The book predicted accurately the triumph of Alexander the Great, and it is included in LXX translation which predates Alexander. con.
@psychedellic420 If God created the universe and the laws of physics with it, then why would it be logical for him to be limited by the very limitations he himself put up. Why would I get arrested for breaking a North Korean law in Canada? If God transcends the physical universe, he cannot be limited by it.
@AHughman08 Also i'd like to remind you evolutionists don't have many "facts" either. What made apes start evolving into humans? and then what made them stop?
Explain this, the actual thing we're looking for in this video if you're saying God does not exist, where is the evidence of Him NOT existing. It seems to make more sense between no one creating the universe than no one creating God Himself since He IS the creator.
@keksinnot The eyewitness accounts of Yahshua's followers, and their willingness to spread the Gospel, unto death. The prophecies that have come to pass very recently. The antisemitism, Bible prophecied jews would be hunted down in the nations(Jer16:16). The rebirth of the state of Israel(Jer16:15) was prophecied in many of places. The Jerusalem, PA conflict: "I will make Jerusalem a stone of burden for all the peoples"(Zec12:2) and judgement, for they have "divided My land"(Joe3:2)
"Shut up about it and leave people alone who don't want to hear it." ....says the guy who visited a Christian apologetics youtube page. Seems you do want to hear about it and do want to discuss it. Otherwise, why are you here?
@dluque003 doesn't every world view (except maybe agnostics) hold to a position of faith (defined as 'a complete trust in something' unless there is a better definition)? If God is unprovable and theists hold to his existence then sure that's faith. Atheists say he does not exist, is that not faith too? Atheists love to think that their view is not one of faith, but I'm not convinced - it is a positive affirmation of knowledge and so should be backed up by evidence just as much as the theists.
@StarRonKid The experts on Christianity will tell you that a man has lived in the belly of a fish for days, or that men can be raised from the dead, or that you can fit all the animals on earth into a wooden boat, that women were made from a rib bone, and that god summons bears to maul children for mocking prophets for their bald heads. I'm sure I could dig up experts on Greek mythology, but how many of them actually believe it? It isn't rocket science. The bible is ancient mythology.
@NaturalMiracleMan You asked about classification and I made an argument, thus far you have not even tried to disprove it. In my view belief is always based in facts. If you have no facts/evidence* about the non-existence of mermaids or the existence thereof, then you should not hold any belief at all. But if you do, your belief is based on bias, and is meaningless, mindless and illogical. *Note that the evidence can be personal. It does not need to be shown to anyone.
@AHughman08 My point was this. We don't. for some reason apes "stopped" evolving didnt they? if evolution is true? Like im not the expert but they still look a long way off from human or anything close to that to me.
@NaturalMiracleMan 1. Having a large number of good arguments, from cosmological to personal, shows He does not belogn to the same category as fairy-tale creatures. To prove otherwise, you have to prove He's made up. Hitchens has had this kind of a debate with rabbi Shmuley Boteach. 2. Having no belief in God is quite different from holding belief that God does not exist (weak vs. strong atheism). Do you know which one you really hold?
It's very simple: There is not evidence for God. There isn't even a definition to find evidence for. No scientist could ever honestly assert that which has never been indicated, and nor could I. It is not necessary to hypothesize a god to explain our world.
@psychedellic420 I was. I'll admit it. But i only made that assumption based on the fact that you argued with the side of evolution, which every religion, as well as agnostic says is wrong.
@psychedellic420 the only reason that religion defies evolution is because the religious texts say that God created every animal, but who's to say God didn't use evolution to accomplish that? That's what the theory of creative design says, which we Christians are fine with. See religion and science can coincide. Wanna see something cool. look up laminin on google images. It is the chemical that hold all life together.
@keksinnot con. Evidence of answers to prayers and miracles. I have seen with my own eyes, when woman totally crippled by MS, to which there is no cure, right next to me, rose from her wheelchair, and was able to do everything normally. She had not been called up, and this happened in Finland, where people do not have big buck ministries. The healing of Delores Winder, is one such case from which you will find scientific evidence. Many others from documentary The Finger of God.
@fifelo i said it was possible not that it women at the beginning did have more ribs then men, i didn't say they did i gave a possibility regardless i am finding it pointless to debate with someone of this intellect....
@StarRonKid "Read the bible closer" ??? Its physically impossible for animals in south america to swim across the ocean and end up in Noah's ark. Salt water fish don't fare too well when flushed with freshwater, and the same is true vice versa. I suppose Noah probably had tens of thousands of fish tanks on board, but of course how did the fish "swim aboard" before the flooding started? Simple logic explains why this event never occurred. There is also the lack of sedimentary evidence...
@psychedellic420 Of course no one holds the answers. I believe in God and I'm fairly sure he exists, but that comes from spiritual experience, that proof is exclusive only to myself, and not to others :]
@StarRonKid And there are men with extra ribs as well. Were you actually making a point there or just rambling? Pangea was 250 million years ago. The evolutionary history of the primates can be traced back 65 million years. Fact: No serious paleontologist believes in a worldwide flood.
@keksinnot Firstly, what argument? I saw an oddly strung together set of assertions that didn't make any sense. So, please, kindly restate your argument, and explain it to me. Secondly, I agree that beliefs are based upon facts. However, lacking belief in mermaids, gods, abominable snowmen, and leprechauns isn't a belief; it is a lack of a belief. I do not have the belief in these things, because there are no facts that I know of that suggest they exist. cont.
@StarRonKid I didn't, those are you own words, and I'm telling you what it means to people people who haven't been caught saying something eminently stupid.
@keksinnot To your second point, you avoided the question I asked you about what proof you have that such beings do not exist, yet you claimed just a comment ago that "Non existence of something can also be positively proven, by showing contradictions." Instead of responding to my question, you changed the subject, claiming that stating disbelief in mermaids is "meaningless, mindless and illogical." Interesting. cont.
Why don't theists just be honest. They don't know God exists, don't have proof of it, but would like to remain faithful to their belief that he does. Shut up about it and leave people alone who don't want to hear it. I keep hearing the same masturbatory arguments from every theist that are logically fallible because that what they want to believe them to be true. Still. Not. Proof. Logically debating about God isn't getting you guys anywhere.
@keksinnot People who do not believe in gods do not have positive arguments for not believing in gods for precisely the same reason that you and I do not have positive arguments for not believing in leprechauns, mermaids, or the abominable snowman: that reason is that lacking belief does not require evidence.
@keksinnot Firstly, you have not demonstrated that the god does exist based upon any evidence. Arguments without evidence cannot show that the god you are arguing for exists; rather, if the arguments are successful, which, in my experience, they tend not to be, the most they can do is suggest that a god could possibly exist, not that it does. cont.
@NaturalMiracleMan Your logic has a fatal flaw, and that is the fact I do not believe in leprechauns, mermaids and so on, because I have no proof they exist, but because the positive proof I have about everything else does not make their existence possible. You are also making a straw man argument, God and belief in God is not comparable to the belief in fairy-tale creatures. Non existence of something can also be positively proven, by showing contradictions.
@keksinnot As a theist, you have a belief, and you apparently believe that you have facts to back it up. What are they? Thirdly, my lack of belief in mermaids, abominable snowmen, gods, and leprechauns are not biased, meaningless, mindless or illogical, because they are simply things I lack belief in. Lacking beliefs in things for which there are no known facts isn't any of those things.
@fifelo premise 1 and 2 do not come into conflict for me i did not say all women have an extra rib you can look for yourself, jeez man, and now that i have already proven that there is women who do have an extra rib and there are men who do have an extra rib. you have proven yourself wrong on the first issues you disagree that women have an extra rib. "1. You said women have an extra rib. WRONG! 2. You said some women have an extra rib. So do some men." then you agree that there is women who..
@fifelo "Fact: No serious paleontologist believes in a worldwide flood." uh no, more like a closed minded scientist will not believe in a worldwide flood because its in the bible, biased answers like those have poor assumptions behind them, "here are men with extra ribs as well" your missing the point also if women at the very beginning had more ribs then men? and let me ask you how do you know pangea was 250 million years ago, and how do you know the history of primates go back that far?
@StarRonKid However, when you say "why do women have more ribs" its generally infered that you mean "most women" or at least a solid majority. To apply a different standard to my words than your own is completely silly, and is exactly what you've done.
@fifelo and regardless there were not as many species as there were, it was only 2 of each animals .... read the bible closer please, and that there was about 250,000 species fossils found regardless it is extremely difficult to understand a species and how many there are trust me even scientists have issues with specifying species.... so truly.... what do you got?
@fifelo lol your implying that i did say that all women have more ribs then men to which i didn't, also you have agreed that "2. You said some women have an extra rib. So do some men." so who is lying me or you? and now you say "They don't, and they never have, and you have no evidence to suggest otherwise." why are you lying now?
Hey Timothy - show me your jesus spirit. Prove your holy spirit deity is real. You hold on to a fictitious idea that causes more harm than good to the individual and to society. The only argument is whether or not this god/jesus spirit is real. No other arguments should even need to be made.
regardless... then let me repeat your words to which you agree with me that there are women who do have more ribs then men "2. You said some women have an extra rib. So do some men." and now you say "they don't, and they never have, and you have no evidence to suggest otherwise." whos lying now?
@keksinnot If there is evidence, then whether or not I want to "find" your god is irrelevant, for the evidence will be enough to speak for itself. Often apologists like to blame the unsatisfactory nature of their arguments on the people who are unsatisfied, by claiming that we who are unsatisfied just do not want to know the truth or just don't want to admit it. Such excuses are dishonest and can be employed by anyone, so they are invalid. I hope you will not use such tactics.
@fifelo i have not said that "why do women have more ribs" i have said there are women who do have more ribs then men. another false claim and so my claim stands your lying self has said that there are women who do have ribs and then you don't agree to which i show so i have not applied a different standard at all when yours clearly contradicts itself....
@keksinnot I don't care about how you "could" answer my questions; I care about how you do answer them. How does asserting that you "could answer" my question "a million and more" ways prove that your particular god cannot be classified as a "fairy-tale" or "imaginary" creature? You haven't proven anything. cont.
Nothing but regurgitated ideas that have been dismantled for years. The cosmological argument, teleological argument, irreducible complexity, and intelligent design have been debunked a million times. If this is all this channel offers, you're not going to stand a chance against the "new atheist" movement. They're already familiar with all of these arguments and why they fail.
@StarRonKid Let me post it again... your words. "but whats interesting is that women have 1 more rib than men O.o?" Seems like a guy who thinks women generally have more ribs than men... just saying.
@StarRonKid *sigh* let me post your own words. "but whats interesting is that women have 1 more rib than men O.o?" Seems to me like you are saying women have more ribs than men.... Except for one fact They don't, and they never have, and you have no evidence to suggest otherwise.
@fifelo there are women with more ribs then men tsk tsk regardless if the extra ribs were a mutation how would you prove it, and for the noah's ark and animals swimming the ocean.... ever heard of pangea? geez basic sciencitific history here...... there is evidence, if you look at certain uncoverings of and many uncoverings the way organisms were buried with their skin still intact shows proof for a world wide flood with pangea!
@AHughman08 Iv never heard of any of these "debunked". I know they've been dismissed by atheists, but not debunked. Dismissed, only proving that atheists are just as closed minded as the Christians they accuse of closed-mindedness
@fifelo lol your missing the whole point i was trying to be nice but, you argued and this is your words "they (women) don't, and they never have, and you have no evidence to suggest otherwise." about women having extra ribs so i have won because you said women do not have extra ribs and then there are women who do have more ribs then men i have won because my arguement still stands, and unlike you i don't switch from arguement to arguement halfway...... you have failed miserably
@StarRonKid 1. You said women have an extra rib. WRONG! 2. You said some women have an extra rib. So do some men. 3. Now your story changes to "women at the beginning" No they didn't. Doesn't it give you any pause to think about what led you believe something that is factually incorrect and easily verifiable? You say scientists are biased and closed minded based upon the same sets of faulty ideas that until yesterday led you to believe women today have more ribs than men? Seriously?
@fifelo do have an extra rib so who is lying or contradicting themselves here. so i have justified my case and you stand wrong and now also where did i say to women at the beginning? another false claim of yours.... you are totally making claims that contradict each or they are false.... you sure know your stuff sir ... not :)
@jvh67 Hey jvh67 prove that this actual "harm" exists. If there is no God then this "harm" or "morality" is all fictitious. Actually do me one better. Prove to me that anything is real 100%. We go off of what we believe, and some things that we believe are more in depth for you just to be able to say "prove your jesus spirit" Saying this is an actually weak approach. It would be no different than me saying prove to me the universe came from nothing, or that God isn't real. You can do better. :)
1) Causality - uneducated, shallow argument and not in the least incontrovertible. 2) Finely tuned universe argument - again, it's as if xtian apologists only pick up on one factor or tangent within a proposition and only adhere to it. Any half wit understands the universe is NOT as a whole "finely tuned." 3) Origin of life - how does his statement support christian belief? Nonsensical 4) HUH!?! DNA puts science on YOUR side? Laughable. Christians,this is why you can't convert us.
i honor you for being so open minded... i understand some people need evidence for everything but for some people the evidence is in their personal growth... the changes that occur in the self that are attached to te belief in God, a god, source, higher intelligence... it is not physical evidence that can be shown to people it is just a steady process that occurs on the inside... i guess my only evidence is that i am flourishing with this belief...not christian btw
Pretty cool and quick approach.
I am sending this video to my friend because I just found out he doesn't believe in god and I want to prove it to him
Background music is too loud and disturbs listening to the speakers. Very unprofessional
@keksinnot
Secondly, it depends on how a person defines their god as to whether or not I am an agnostic atheist or a gnostic atheist in light of the claim. So it depends on your definition of "God" whether I "really" hold one or the other.
I want to emphasize that I think you are genuine guy with good intentions who is just trying to strengthen his faith because he thinks it is the most important thing in the world. So I don't want to be too harsh.
Because I do know exactly how you feel, exactly how it feels to have that fear that maybe God doesn't exist and that life would be meaningless without him. I used to feel that way too. If you watch my series, you will see why I don't think that anymore and that there is nothing to fear
@1timothy215 Yes! All need to see "The Second Law of Thermodynamics". And, "Quantum Mechanics: Sir Fred Hoyle" = the need for intellegent design to have the amazing carbon atom do it's perfectly coordinated dance.
With the Big Bang, NASA's Robert Jastrow said, "Theologians are delighted with the proof that the universe had a beginning, but astronomers are curiously upset. It turns out that the scientist behaves the way the rest of us do when our beliefs are in conflict with the evidence".
1. 10,000 years ago we probably thought fire was magic.
2. Later on we thought it was one of the four elements.
3. Later on we understood it to be a redox reaction.
Creationist answers are non-answers masquerading as answers. The implied answer to their question is "magic" Their arrogant assumption is that it will never be answered. Imagine if we had applied this type of thinking to fire.
ever since i was young ive always wondered things that most kids didnt...ive recently come to believe exactly what he said if nothing existed not even space it would have stayed that way, PONDER THIS if the very space between objects is expanding(thus creating time) then what the heck is it expanding into???
@psychedellic420 Well I'm a Christian (Wasn't always). And yeah, I constantly find people asking me what created God, and I think my reasoning is pretty logical. And I just go with science. Sure, you can't really disprove infinity, or God, or even prove it for that matter, but you can make an accurate guess with our current understanding.
@fifelo lol in those modern times yes we did think that and now that we are furthering our study on what we believe, what's going to be the "myth" of our century the belief in God or the non belief? thats why we rely on experts on both sides to help us understand the world...
@C00lblkatheist I'm religious, but I also enjoy following along with both sides of the "Does God Exist" debate. Will you provide me with some information that corresponds to your position on points 2-4? My undergrad degree was in biology, and I'm currently in professional school, so I shouldn't have too much trouble wading through the science. Two things: 1) Dr. Boa didn't mention God of the gaps. 2) I think you stretch the Miller-Urey exp - it only made org. compounds from inorg. compounds.
So: God of the Gaps, which depends on the Argument from Ignorance Fallacy to work: you can't explain how all of this works (which would be necessary to prove that it wasn't God), therefore it was God.
most people dont want to then ask the even bigger question what was before whatever created us? intelligent or not it must have an answer...or does it? see many men across the ages have decided that who/whatever it was existed outside time and space thus the idea of a god and wouldnt have to be created in fact, it created the idea of creation and this is the illusion we will never and are not capable of understanding at least from the inside
It is ironic that atheists do not have and can never have any positive arguments for their beliefs, yet they claim christians are illogical.
@psychedellic420 Yeah but that just refutes your point on "THEN WHAT CREATED GOD". It's logical to believe in God if the Universe had a beginning, therefore a cause. You can believe whatever you want, you can believe that the universe is infinite, but science is different,
@MudnavI I'm not angry, just baffled.
@StarRonKid Much in the same way I would say "frogs don't have two heads" generally speaking frogs don't have two heads, there may be a few frogs that do, but its understood I'm not talking about mutant frogs. In the same way I when I say "women don't have more ribs than men" I mean generally speaking. 99% of people have the same number of ribs, as they always have.
@NaturalMiracleMan
I can tell you about evidence of God's existence, what leads me and many others to believe in Him. But the question is: do you really want to know? For it is demostrateably true, that who so ever looks for God, will find Him. And not many people want to find Him.
@AHughman08 and back on the topic of God, i'd like to remind you that even if evolution is true, it still does not explain the existence of matter from nothing. it only attempts to explain how a bit of slime morphed into everything we see today. I would still love to see an evolutionary chart where they ended up with something other than a horse after a long line of horses.
@jellybeans68 They actually have plenty of facts. "What made apes start evolving into humans?" Natural selection is what makes things evolve. We're still evolving. There was no starting at apes and finishing at humans, that's just us looking at one chapter in the middle of the book on human ancestry.
@Evid3nc3 If you're referring to the author of this vid, I'm not so sure that he makes these videos to make himself feel better about his faith. I think he does it because he wants to share what he knows (not what he thinks) about God's existence. On the other hand, I've seen your videos as well and know that you, too, are strongly convicted in your beliefs, however, I can't say, that as a Christian, I've turned to God because I'd otherwise think life was meaningless...
@StarRonKid Why would I declare stale mate after I've already won? I'm done.
It's sad that people actually believe that this makes sense.
@keksinnot Well, depending on one's definition of the term "God," I would agree that it could possibly not be proven nonexistent. However, many definitions of "God" can be. What separates your definition of "God" from being classified as a "fairy-tale creature?"
What positive proof do you have that mermaids, abominable snowmen, and leprechauns do not exist anywhere?
@AHughman08 Plenty of "facts" that haven't been "debunked" by creation scientists? Debunked in the same way i used it for Atheists.
If our ancestry was apes and apes are still evolving and were still evolving then yes we should still have apes and we still should have humans, but we should also have, alive and well on this planet, creatures who are slightly above ape, creatures that are almost human, and creatures somewhere in between, correct?
@NaturalMiracleMan
I could answer your first question a million and more different ways, and that is the reason He can't be classified as a "fairy-tale creature". And thus it follows, that unlike fairy-tale creatures, His existence is not logically impossible (fairy-tale=imaginary).
2. Since you and I do not have [direct] positive proof of mermaids.. , should we then go out and proclaim "we do not believe in mermaids.."? Wouldn't it be meaningless, mindless and illogical?
@fifelo what the?! what happened to all the comments?!
@keksinnot Then, doesn't that same principle apply even more so to people who claim that mermaids exist, when they have no evidence to back up such a claim? And doesn't this line of reasoning apply to theism in the same way? Also, what is "meaningless, mindless and illogical" in stating that I don't believe in mermaids due to the lack of evidence for their existence? Isn't that a logical, mindful, and meaningful response?
@NaturalMiracleMan
It is not irrelevant, for example, scientists look for new evidence, and can be very passionate. Evidence simply does not walk to the scientist. Same way if you do not look for God, you will obviously not find Him.
Scriptural evidence. Many Biblical books claim to be prophetic, one of such is Daniel. The book predicted accurately the triumph of Alexander the Great, and it is included in LXX translation which predates Alexander.
con.
@psychedellic420 If God created the universe and the laws of physics with it, then why would it be logical for him to be limited by the very limitations he himself put up. Why would I get arrested for breaking a North Korean law in Canada? If God transcends the physical universe, he cannot be limited by it.
@AHughman08 Also i'd like to remind you evolutionists don't have many "facts" either. What made apes start evolving into humans? and then what made them stop?
Explain this, the actual thing we're looking for in this video if you're saying God does not exist, where is the evidence of Him NOT existing. It seems to make more sense between no one creating the universe than no one creating God Himself since He IS the creator.
@keksinnot
The eyewitness accounts of Yahshua's followers, and their willingness to spread the Gospel, unto death.
The prophecies that have come to pass very recently. The antisemitism, Bible prophecied jews would be hunted down in the nations(Jer16:16). The rebirth of the state of Israel(Jer16:15) was prophecied in many of places. The Jerusalem, PA conflict: "I will make Jerusalem a stone of burden for all the peoples"(Zec12:2) and judgement, for they have "divided My land"(Joe3:2)
"Shut up about it and leave people alone who don't want to hear it."
....says the guy who visited a Christian apologetics youtube page. Seems you do want to hear about it and do want to discuss it. Otherwise, why are you here?
@dluque003 doesn't every world view (except maybe agnostics) hold to a position of faith (defined as 'a complete trust in something' unless there is a better definition)? If God is unprovable and theists hold to his existence then sure that's faith. Atheists say he does not exist, is that not faith too? Atheists love to think that their view is not one of faith, but I'm not convinced - it is a positive affirmation of knowledge and so should be backed up by evidence just as much as the theists.
@StarRonKid The experts on Christianity will tell you that a man has lived in the belly of a fish for days, or that men can be raised from the dead, or that you can fit all the animals on earth into a wooden boat, that women were made from a rib bone, and that god summons bears to maul children for mocking prophets for their bald heads.
I'm sure I could dig up experts on Greek mythology, but how many of them actually believe it?
It isn't rocket science. The bible is ancient mythology.
@NaturalMiracleMan
You asked about classification and I made an argument, thus far you have not even tried to disprove it.
In my view belief is always based in facts. If you have no facts/evidence* about the non-existence of mermaids or the existence thereof, then you should not hold any belief at all.
But if you do, your belief is based on bias, and is meaningless, mindless and illogical.
*Note that the evidence can be personal. It does not need to be shown to anyone.
@AHughman08 My point was this. We don't. for some reason apes "stopped" evolving didnt they? if evolution is true? Like im not the expert but they still look a long way off from human or anything close to that to me.
@NaturalMiracleMan
1. Having a large number of good arguments, from cosmological to personal, shows He does not belogn to the same category as fairy-tale creatures. To prove otherwise, you have to prove He's made up. Hitchens has had this kind of a debate with rabbi Shmuley Boteach.
2. Having no belief in God is quite different from holding belief that God does not exist (weak vs. strong atheism). Do you know which one you really hold?
It's very simple: There is not evidence for God. There isn't even a definition to find evidence for.
No scientist could ever honestly assert that which has never been indicated, and nor could I. It is not necessary to hypothesize a god to explain our world.
@psychedellic420 I was. I'll admit it. But i only made that assumption based on the fact that you argued with the side of evolution, which every religion, as well as agnostic says is wrong.
@psychedellic420 the only reason that religion defies evolution is because the religious texts say that God created every animal, but who's to say God didn't use evolution to accomplish that? That's what the theory of creative design says, which we Christians are fine with. See religion and science can coincide. Wanna see something cool. look up laminin on google images. It is the chemical that hold all life together.
@keksinnot
con.
Evidence of answers to prayers and miracles. I have seen with my own eyes, when woman totally crippled by MS, to which there is no cure, right next to me, rose from her wheelchair, and was able to do everything normally. She had not been called up, and this happened in Finland, where people do not have big buck ministries.
The healing of Delores Winder, is one such case from which you will find scientific evidence.
Many others from documentary The Finger of God.
@fifelo good now run away, because you knew you were outclassed.
@fifelo i said it was possible not that it women at the beginning did have more ribs then men, i didn't say they did i gave a possibility regardless i am finding it pointless to debate with someone of this intellect....
@StarRonKid "Read the bible closer" ??? Its physically impossible for animals in south america to swim across the ocean and end up in Noah's ark. Salt water fish don't fare too well when flushed with freshwater, and the same is true vice versa. I suppose Noah probably had tens of thousands of fish tanks on board, but of course how did the fish "swim aboard" before the flooding started? Simple logic explains why this event never occurred. There is also the lack of sedimentary evidence...
@psychedellic420 Of course no one holds the answers. I believe in God and I'm fairly sure he exists, but that comes from spiritual experience, that proof is exclusive only to myself, and not to others :]
@StarRonKid And there are men with extra ribs as well. Were you actually making a point there or just rambling?
Pangea was 250 million years ago.
The evolutionary history of the primates can be traced back 65 million years.
Fact: No serious paleontologist believes in a worldwide flood.
@keksinnot Firstly, what argument? I saw an oddly strung together set of assertions that didn't make any sense. So, please, kindly restate your argument, and explain it to me.
Secondly, I agree that beliefs are based upon facts. However, lacking belief in mermaids, gods, abominable snowmen, and leprechauns isn't a belief; it is a lack of a belief. I do not have the belief in these things, because there are no facts that I know of that suggest they exist.
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@StarRonKid I didn't, those are you own words, and I'm telling you what it means to people people who haven't been caught saying something eminently stupid.
@psychedellic420 Are you an Atheist?
@psychedellic420 Are you an Atheist?
@keksinnot To your second point, you avoided the question I asked you about what proof you have that such beings do not exist, yet you claimed just a comment ago that "Non existence of something can also be positively proven, by showing contradictions." Instead of responding to my question, you changed the subject, claiming that stating disbelief in mermaids is "meaningless, mindless and illogical." Interesting.
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Why don't theists just be honest. They don't know God exists, don't have proof of it, but would like to remain faithful to their belief that he does. Shut up about it and leave people alone who don't want to hear it. I keep hearing the same masturbatory arguments from every theist that are logically fallible because that what they want to believe them to be true. Still. Not. Proof. Logically debating about God isn't getting you guys anywhere.
@keksinnot People who do not believe in gods do not have positive arguments for not believing in gods for precisely the same reason that you and I do not have positive arguments for not believing in leprechauns, mermaids, or the abominable snowman: that reason is that lacking belief does not require evidence.
@keksinnot
Firstly, you have not demonstrated that the god does exist based upon any evidence. Arguments without evidence cannot show that the god you are arguing for exists; rather, if the arguments are successful, which, in my experience, they tend not to be, the most they can do is suggest that a god could possibly exist, not that it does.
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@NaturalMiracleMan
Your logic has a fatal flaw, and that is the fact I do not believe in leprechauns, mermaids and so on, because I have no proof they exist, but because the positive proof I have about everything else does not make their existence possible.
You are also making a straw man argument, God and belief in God is not comparable to the belief in fairy-tale creatures.
Non existence of something can also be positively proven, by showing contradictions.
@keksinnot As a theist, you have a belief, and you apparently believe that you have facts to back it up. What are they?
Thirdly, my lack of belief in mermaids, abominable snowmen, gods, and leprechauns are not biased, meaningless, mindless or illogical, because they are simply things I lack belief in. Lacking beliefs in things for which there are no known facts isn't any of those things.
@fifelo premise 1 and 2 do not come into conflict for me i did not say all women have an extra rib you can look for yourself, jeez man, and now that i have already proven that there is women who do have an extra rib and there are men who do have an extra rib. you have proven yourself wrong on the first issues you disagree that women have an extra rib. "1. You said women have an extra rib.
WRONG!
2. You said some women have an extra rib.
So do some men." then you agree that there is women who..
The music is soooooooooooooooooooo annoying ...
@fifelo "Fact: No serious paleontologist believes in a worldwide flood." uh no, more like a closed minded scientist will not believe in a worldwide flood because its in the bible, biased answers like those have poor assumptions behind them, "here are men with extra ribs as well" your missing the point also if women at the very beginning had more ribs then men? and let me ask you how do you know pangea was 250 million years ago, and how do you know the history of primates go back that far?
@fifelo lol i didnt say all women where do i say all women? there are women with more ribs then men sheesh do not put words in my mouth
@psychedellic420 wow.......have you read ur first comment?
@StarRonKid However, when you say "why do women have more ribs" its generally infered that you mean "most women" or at least a solid majority. To apply a different standard to my words than your own is completely silly, and is exactly what you've done.
@psychedellic420 i was simple pointing out the hypocrisy of your statement about atheist coupled with you first comment.
@fifelo and regardless there were not as many species as there were, it was only 2 of each animals .... read the bible closer please, and that there was about 250,000 species fossils found regardless it is extremely difficult to understand a species and how many there are trust me even scientists have issues with specifying species.... so truly.... what do you got?
@ForYeensSake lol why so angry?
@fifelo lol your implying that i did say that all women have more ribs then men to which i didn't, also you have agreed that "2. You said some women have an extra rib.
So do some men." so who is lying me or you? and now you say "They don't, and they never have, and you have no evidence to suggest otherwise." why are you lying now?
Hey Timothy - show me your jesus spirit. Prove your holy spirit deity is real. You hold on to a fictitious idea that causes more harm than good to the individual and to society. The only argument is whether or not this god/jesus spirit is real. No other arguments should even need to be made.
regardless... then let me repeat your words to which you agree with me that there are women who do have more ribs then men "2. You said some women have an extra rib.
So do some men." and now you say "they don't, and they never have, and you have no evidence to suggest otherwise." whos lying now?
@keksinnot If there is evidence, then whether or not I want to "find" your god is irrelevant, for the evidence will be enough to speak for itself. Often apologists like to blame the unsatisfactory nature of their arguments on the people who are unsatisfied, by claiming that we who are unsatisfied just do not want to know the truth or just don't want to admit it. Such excuses are dishonest and can be employed by anyone, so they are invalid. I hope you will not use such tactics.
@fifelo i have not said that "why do women have more ribs" i have said there are women who do have more ribs then men. another false claim and so my claim stands your lying self has said that there are women who do have ribs and then you don't agree to which i show so i have not applied a different standard at all when yours clearly contradicts itself....
@keksinnot I don't care about how you "could" answer my questions; I care about how you do answer them. How does asserting that you "could answer" my question "a million and more" ways prove that your particular god cannot be classified as a "fairy-tale" or "imaginary" creature? You haven't proven anything.
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@fifelo and you have agreed that there is women with more ribs then men so ..... stale mate?
Nothing but regurgitated ideas that have been dismantled for years.
The cosmological argument, teleological argument, irreducible complexity, and intelligent design have been debunked a million times.
If this is all this channel offers, you're not going to stand a chance against the "new atheist" movement. They're already familiar with all of these arguments and why they fail.
@StarRonKid Let me post it again... your words.
"but whats interesting is that women have 1 more rib than men O.o?"
Seems like a guy who thinks women generally have more ribs than men... just saying.
@psychedellic420 are u an atheist?
@StarRonKid *sigh* let me post your own words.
"but whats interesting is that women have 1 more rib than men O.o?"
Seems to me like you are saying women have more ribs than men....
Except for one fact
They don't, and they never have, and you have no evidence to suggest otherwise.
@fifelo there are women with more ribs then men tsk tsk regardless if the extra ribs were a mutation how would you prove it, and for the noah's ark and animals swimming the ocean.... ever heard of pangea? geez basic sciencitific history here...... there is evidence, if you look at certain uncoverings of and many uncoverings the way organisms were buried with their skin still intact shows proof for a world wide flood with pangea!
adam and eve?
@AHughman08 Iv never heard of any of these "debunked". I know they've been dismissed by atheists, but not debunked. Dismissed, only proving that atheists are just as closed minded as the Christians they accuse of closed-mindedness
@fifelo lol your missing the whole point i was trying to be nice but, you argued and this is your words "they (women) don't, and they never have, and you have no evidence to suggest otherwise." about women having extra ribs so i have won because you said women do not have extra ribs and then there are women who do have more ribs then men i have won because my arguement still stands, and unlike you i don't switch from arguement to arguement halfway...... you have failed miserably
@StarRonKid
1. You said women have an extra rib.
WRONG!
2. You said some women have an extra rib.
So do some men.
3. Now your story changes to "women at the beginning"
No they didn't.
Doesn't it give you any pause to think about what led you believe something that is factually incorrect and easily verifiable? You say scientists are biased and closed minded based upon the same sets of faulty ideas that until yesterday led you to believe women today have more ribs than men? Seriously?
@StarRonKid Do you honestly believe women have an extra rib? I think you should check with real scientists first on that one.
Show one place that the Bible is false?
@fifelo do have an extra rib so who is lying or contradicting themselves here. so i have justified my case and you stand wrong and now also where did i say to women at the beginning? another false claim of yours.... you are totally making claims that contradict each or they are false.... you sure know your stuff sir ... not :)
creationism ? really ? I mean, Really ? Jesus Fucking Christ!
@jvh67 Hey jvh67 prove that this actual "harm" exists. If there is no God then this "harm" or "morality" is all fictitious. Actually do me one better. Prove to me that anything is real 100%. We go off of what we believe, and some things that we believe are more in depth for you just to be able to say "prove your jesus spirit"
Saying this is an actually weak approach. It would be no different than me saying prove to me the universe came from nothing, or that God isn't real. You can do better. :)
1) Causality - uneducated, shallow argument and not in the least incontrovertible.
2) Finely tuned universe argument - again, it's as if xtian apologists only pick up on one factor or tangent within a proposition and only adhere to it. Any half wit understands the universe is NOT as a whole "finely tuned."
3) Origin of life - how does his statement support christian belief? Nonsensical
4) HUH!?! DNA puts science on YOUR side? Laughable.
Christians,this is why you can't convert us.
you are big fat liar
i guess you will only see the evidence when you experience that connection yourself... i respect your veiw though
i honor you for being so open minded... i understand some people need evidence for everything but for some people the evidence is in their personal growth... the changes that occur in the self that are attached to te belief in God, a god, source, higher intelligence... it is not physical evidence that can be shown to people it is just a steady process that occurs on the inside... i guess my only evidence is that i am flourishing with this belief...not christian btw