SuperMoto Or S1000rr, Which is faster on track? (UNCUT)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ธ.ค. 2023
- SuperMoto or Superbike?
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Win or lose, the supermoto would probably be more fun for most people.
Amen
No bike will find your inner hooligan like a supermoto.
Yes it's a feeling I chase not lap time. I don't own a supermoto but i'll take it over a 1000rr
It's more manageable on the road, but sometimes you feel like you could go way faster and the bike won't take you there.
@@TH-cam_Globetrotter If I had to keep it, I'd take 5K dirt bike over a sport bike in literally any price category. Sticking to the road and riding at high speeds are just immensely dull, boring concepts.
You are a great rider. That was an absolute joy to watch. Cannot state how impressed I am. Kudos!!
"Cannot state how impressed I am" is a statement of how impressed you were
Not sure why you cannot accept that I AM impressed that he IS a great rider. You can seek therapy. @@dangoesfast
@@dangoesfastnope because it an understatement
Can you tell me how impressed I am?@@dangoesfast
You definitely feel the 100kg difference in the curves :)
And the skills
Well, this shows exactly what I see when I ride out on the very curvy mountain roads of my area together with other bikers.
I own four different bikes all Yamahas. One MT-3 old version 660cc single with 183kg, one Bulldog V2 1100cc with 250kg, one MT-01 V2 1700cc with 265kg and a XV 1900cc also a V2 with 340kg. The heavier the bike, the lover is the speed in the middle of the curve. But the larger engines have a better acceleration due to the higher torque.
So, in the end of the day only the skills of the rider make the difference. A very skilled rider on a low hp bike can outperform any medium skilled biker on a high end racing bike if only the road has enough curves. If there are enough straight lines the racers can only be faster on a race track. On public roads the speed limit prevents that.
Summery: On public roads you can easy cope with about 90% of all the others, even you ride just a lightweight low hp bike. If you want to ride just for the fun of it, no need to invest a lot of $ in a high end racing bike.
I’ve never seen more confused Aprilia and Triumph riders than when I left them all on a parallel twin 600cc Yamaha during a group ride here in the twisties of Western NC.
…Except for the time I smoked my brother-in-law on his R1100R while riding a 600cc Honda Silverwing scooter. 😂
@@FilosophicalPharmer
Good one.
YAMAHA = “You And Me Are Hauling A**.” 😂👍🏼
This is on Streets of Willow; on Big Willow the SM wouldn’t even be close, on Horse Thief Mile, the SM would check out. Track layout makes a huge difference.
Absolutely... this video is purposely trying to deceive.
no way, the bike that's faster in a straight line is faster on straight lines and the bike that's faster in the curves is faster in the curves!!!
@@friendlysnoworb6091depends on how many turns and how long the straights are I guess
I was in a race in 1978 it was the annual AFM six hour endurance race that year it rain five out of 6 hours a Can-Am 250 dirtbike came in second .it doesn’t necessarily mean if you have 1000 cc that you’re gonna beat that little 250. I’ve seen Bob Endicott in the unlimited class in a 10 lap race He cleaned everybody’s clock at the end of the race, he was a half a lap ahead of everybody else .
Facts! Back in olden times, I think it was 2008, when the AMA raced at Sonoma Raceway (then called Infineon Raceway) on the north end of the Bay Area, Jake Zemke's 600cc FX pole position lap was good enough for P6 on the Superbike grid. That's how much track layout matters. That could NEVER happen at Big Willow or Daytona or Utah. There's a reason SuperMoto races on kart tracks and superbikes... don't.
So good! Amazing riding bro... the braking and mid corner speed on that thing is unbelievable. What an eye opener! Thanks for sharing.
You earned a new sub.. 🤟
I love it , I ride a 690 KTM and do track days on it and it gives the sport bikes a fit, so funny and then when they find out iam 66 years old it’s even better. Keep the rubber side down brother.
Same here mate, I'm 63 soon, ride Duke 690, the look on the young bloke's face's when I take off my skid lid is rewarding.
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Respect man. Iam from russia and we have no absolutely any life in culture after 40-50, so now i am located in serbia and enjoying when i see how the old peoples still keep active and feeling alive. Its gifting the hope to next day and healing my heart. Thanks to you all @@riccicrozzie8204
: D that's awesome!!!
63 and my speed triples been gathering dust since I got the smcr
Really just depends on the type of track. Smaller technical coarses with lots of sharp corners, then yes. Larger sweeping coarses with a long straight away then hell no
Exactly!
Not to mention the rider
This was such a joy to watch. loved how you really turned it up second last lap. Brings me back to racing and tracking my 450SMR. Does not seem even physically possible how fast they can corner. Of course you are a VERY skilled rider.
I wish I could see your PB, cause I'm loving the lines 😍. great video, looking forward to more!.💪
This looks like a ton of fun! Sounds like you had a blast as well. Your tires had to have one hell of a work out lol. Cheers Mate!
that is cool.. love that the SM is awesome in the corners, they both look like pretty dang good riders
Best track day video I've ever seen , thank you !
Bro you helped me fall asleep again, so soothing and smooth. Great ride, man.
That was fun to watch, thanks for posting. I'm a motard fanatic but used to love racing sports bike. Either way it's great 😁
That was some epic riding. Great video!
great quality man! this is the good type of POV
A lot of riders underestimate Sumos and Trail Bikes. I've mainly ridden big Trailies with road tyres, and on rides out have never been left behind. The only bikes I could never keep up with were 600s with an experienced rider. I'm a bit long in the tooth now for brains out riding although I'm seriously considering becoming a born again biker and getting a KTM Sumo, Wife permitting.
That's one of the reasons i enjoyed my old KTM so much. Living right in the middle of the austrian alps many sportbike riders would underestimate your little "underpowered" bike until the twisties begin.
Switched to something more civilized (Buell XB12) because of an engine failure and the rising risk of my riding style (drifting into corners and wheelies out of them). Never underestimate these little wheelie machines on mountain roads!
My wife said it was either her or motorcycles.
Boy, am I gonna miss her!
@@dusty111 same here, before it got stolen I've had the 64bhp, 2014 690 smcr with full titanium akra and few bits and pieces and dynoed at 69 (nice) WHP!. 34k km, never any failures, only sipping some oil. On twisty Irish roads this was the best and by far the fastest bike I've ever owned and I was very, very good with my K6 gixer 600. All the big bike boys from Dublin Island Riders were getting a weekly spanking on Mondelo and Wicklow roads :)
@@Dave-ng7ee i never thought of Ireland as a motorcycle country because in my head Britain and Ireland are more or less rain only. On the other hand, the isle of man is near you
@@dusty111Motorcycles still work in the rain, you know. And high wind, fog, hail, and even snow!
Those who ride throughout winter in the UK don't have that dangerous period of re-familiarisation which the fair weather-only riders require in spring after their four- to six-month layoff.
That was some good ridin! Thanks for the ride!
Super impressive. The amount of lean angle and grip a SM has in corners is insane. I still miss my Aprila SVX. But it's better this way. I won't die jong. LOL😂.
That was a fun ride! Thanks for taking us along...
Killin it bro💯
The most epic friend battle I’ve ever watch on board. Amazing!! I love supermoto
Awesome! We all love to see the underdog come out on top!
mate - your riding skills and confidence are nuts! Hat off, sir, hat off ... 👍👍👍👍
Fantastic footage and riding! May I ask, what camera are you using?
Wow, you really brought it to the sportbike guys,, that was some amazing riding!!
this was an epic series of fantastics laps!!
amazing
Talk about wringing a bikes neck. Jesus.
Hats off mate that was some ride
Tremendous riding and video, literally brought tears to my eyes. I've only ever ridden supermotos, but never at the track. I've got my 500exc for sale now since I was going to switch to just an R6 for almost exclusively track use, but this video might've convinced me to not give up on the 500 yet. The feeling of going around the outside of a way quicker bike is like nothing else. What top speed are you hitting with what gearing? I would imagine you're not running stock gearing on that FS.
Other than the awesome riding, the vast open space and the sky that you can see as far as the horizon is somewhere I ought to take myself and the bike to. The daily cramped workspace makes me miss the outside world.
Awesome video also Awesome ridi g skills 👏👏
what camera was used to record this? it looks so good.
some great riding done well to keep that pace nice work
As the old maxim says... 'It ain't what you got, it's what you do with it that counts!' 😎
Great job. Impressive riding brother.
This is a great example of riding with momentum vs riding with power
that was amazing to watch, need to get you into a motogp race with that ;)
Its like a good togue race ! the ae86 vs the skyrine! love it!
This is awesome! It's wild how much faster in the corners you are. I get the weight difference but does it make it faster being taller? Having the center of gravity being further from the contact point on the road have anything to do with it? Like is the SM more planted in the corner?
Excellent riding on the Katoom! Now to be fair, it’s time to see the S1000RR on a Sumo track! 👍🏼😁
Arrrrrh the corners, great riding !
This was awesome to watch.
I see you two are duking it out at Willow Springs racetrack it looks like . Been here a few times myself . 😎👍👍
Loving this! Did something similar myself recently on my channel with my 765RS chasing my mate on his GSXR1000R .
Again, just shows, it's not all about power and I know exactly how much fun you're having!!! What a scream to ride!
Nice riding mate it's all about the fun! . 👍😎👌😁
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*Nice video man!*
That’s some awesome riding! I was leaning with every corner LOL
I had a APRILIA 550 SXV stage 3 tune dyno'ed OVER 70 HP at rear wheel sickest fastest machine EVER could do things with ease that I just couldn't on my NINJA 600 love seeing you go out and prove what I've been trying to say for a long time 👍nice ride
Do you think a supermoto is a worth it buy? I’ve been debating getting one to add to my current stable, 2023 Z H2 SE, 2023 Sportster S and 2023 TNT135. And would you rec the KTM 690 over the Duc 698?
It's about which is the most fun to ride on a personal level, I've a Supamoto and love it, but whatever you ride stay safe and just enjoy.
What bike is this?
I had an Aprilia sxv5.5 in full supermoto kit with a handful of trick bits back in the day and in everyday use it was a super bike killer 100% of the time.
I always wondered if it could of done the same on the Track...
As always. It depends on the track. My 650 used to keep up with the litre bikes around the tighter tracks. But the ones with the long straights and sweeping corners were the big bikes dream.
Great video, i know it is not that important on a supermoto, but what is the top speed of your fs 450? It looks that even on the straights you have not so much to lose on the sportbike
Somewhere around 105-110mph
Great Video ...Great riders can do great things!!!!! Your Boy #TraxStarz
Making short work of all the big bikes in the corners 🙌🔥
Your skill on the track is unbelievable!!!!
Is that you with the 65hp dirt bike @IamCarsonn?? If so, you are fucking awesome! 👍
Streets of Willow. Loved racing that track. You should have challenged the S1KRR at Horse Thief! Loved racing HT on mr SM!
Awesome to see!!! Great video and racing!!! I love supermotards!!!
Racing? This was clearly not a race, it was a general session and the sporties were nowhere near giving a S about this SM guy and just relaxing enjoying their session. Maybe next time SM guy should tell the others he was racing them. Yellow vest guy demonstrated many times he could overtake SM guy anytime he wants. They were all laughing at this SM guy thinking he was actually doing something.
awesome video, definitely looks like you were holding back so as to get some good following footage. Most impressive is that you could swap the wheels and you could go enduro riding with your buddies. I'm guessing most of those bikes you overtook were probably dedicated track bikes that aren't even road registered. This track was also pretty fast with long straights. Get on a tighter track, or even better on a 690 supermoto and a lot more egos would be crushed.
Wringing that sumo’s neck! Glad to see you back on the Tube my man, shredding as always 👏👏👏
Both have it's own advantages, and this video explains it. I love this race
The Willow Springs Streets track is very tight and technical. There are only a couple of places where the RR's power will do anything for you. The SM rider is really good, though.
This quality 🫶🏼
Yes track layout plays a part but there's also a pretty big talent disparity between the rider on the SM and the rider on the RR.
A joy for the eyes.. my compliments
pretty sick - streets of willow is one of my fav tracks
If we take the 2nd to last lap as an example, which its most likely his fastest lap around the course and you have good knowledge and understanding about how to handle a bike (in this case the supermoto) then you will see how i could shave off easy 2-3 seconds at bare minimum.
❤I DONT HAVE ANY BAD INTENSIONS ON THE DRIVER AND DONT WANT TO BE RUDE OR INSULT HIM IN ANY WAY!❤
He got great driving skill for sure, but there are some fatal mistakes in relation to driving line, break points and small hick-ups in the handling department (like the rear wheel locks while braking before corner entry f.e.)
Would be awesome as well if we had time's shown but i am pretty sure the camera-bike has the faster laps overall and i also think that the superbike drivers dont ride as long or dont habe the same expirience as this driver.
All in all great video! Be safe out there big boy❤
As you could see, it depends on who is riding. The guy on the green bike got away from him so that he just couldn't catch up to the end. Talking about whether supermoto or superbike is faster is irrelevant. Supermoto is made for fun and its setup is somewhere else than superbike. If you put your peers against each other, the superbike will win every time. Unless you're racing on a go-kart track.
Also helps to alert the other riders that he was going to fake race them. This was clearly a general riding session, everyone was just out there relaxing and enjoying their ride, not racing. Well, except for SM guy... LOL!
That was sick to watch❤
that’s very interesting and superb rider 🙌🏽🧿
Awesome man ;) And nice "on the spot" comparison !
Is that a 500 or a 450 and what gearing do you run?
Balls of steel 🤣. Well done 👍
That is pretty sick!!! Is that a 701, 450 or what on the SuperMoto?
SMR 450
Great riding 👌
Well depends on the rider. Bike for bike certainly an S1000RR hands down but if they can’t ride a moped would be faster.
good shit dude
Rockin that 450 smr bro!!
Looks like Willow Springs but one of the short tracks. Move over to the big boy track and see what happens.
Bad asss!! Nice riding.
You should get some clip ons it makes cornering so much better. Or a set of handle bars you can invert easily. It will help lower your center of gravity and puts your weight further forward.
Imagine he had a Husaberg FS650 …. great Riding !
good fun, where can i see the footage from the back of the BMW?
wow.. that was some riding.. 👍👍👍
8:25 ... wow, that long white cloud! What country is this track located in?
The track is the Streets of Willow Springs, located at Willow Springs International Raceway in Rosamond, California.
I way prefer light nimble bikes over power- great vid! Give me a tuned 250 any day over a liter bike! I really prefer a balance though- the Ninja 636's are my favorite Bikes, closely followed by the older 750 Ninjas with the double round headlights- I mostly like them for their looks though, the 636 has it all though! Love my handling over my power- having both is always good too though!
Excellent video and very relevant. Or course skill matters, for the same rider, when it's straight, power wins out; when it's twisty, maneuverability wins out. Applies to any kind of craft. Here's the thing--isn't it the turns that make it fun?
Going from 100 kmph to 250 kmph in few seconds is very much fun too ;- )
I remember spending an entertaining afternoon a few years ago as a spectator at Bouley Bay hillclimb on the island of Jersey. A tight and steep hillclimb. Second fasted bike time of the day was a guy on a 650cc supermoto. Fastest time of the day was the same guy, on his 400cc supermoto. On a fast open circuit like Monza, a litre class sports bike would win, by a long way. The tighter and more technical, the more the supermoto comes into play.
Supermoto bikes are just so damn fun to ride!!!! Definitely more my thing.
What a great battle
Where did you get that steering damper?
I know that supermoto is fast, but I’m pretty sure that rider is insanely fast! Impressive!
Wow! I just bought a RC390 race prepped bike for track days. Maybe I should have just put SM wheels & tires on my 350 EXC-F!
What a legend🎉
Boy you made some Sportbike rider cry big tears. I knew the supermoto would be quick, but not that quick. Super impressed with your skills. My first 20 years of riding was on a motocrosser. I’m 68 and riding a Sportbike at present. Can’t tell how much it makes want a supermoto after witnessing this.
ahhh... difficult subject. youre lighter, youll outbrake and outmaneuver them in turns, but get eaten on straighs.. but you have some skills man, thas some riding! Loved it.
What are the camera settings?
💪🏻 Nice !
I started with road race bikes and later made te switch to SM and Enduro. It’s a lot of fun and very quick 💨💨😎🤠
Same here! This was my second track day with this bike and I can't believe how fun it is 🤘🏽
At the end of the day most of us may think we could race (we couldn’t) a supermoto would be best for everyday riding. Not to mention how much more fun you could have if your bike is set up correctly.
It´s a 690 SMC-R, true? Great video!
Smr 450