As an enduro rider of a gasgas 300 stroker I agree with you, yes I have two roads bikes but off road riding is safer, more exciting and just better all round. I have owned 55 roads bikes so I don't say that lightly.
I have to drive 2 hours + to get anywhere i can ride offroad legally. I can ride 5 minutes and hit a twisty mountain road, that is empty most of the week. Buying a 675 street triple was an easy choice for me :)
@@wheelxx in my town it isn't legal to ride like that anymore period if ur not on a farm bc after they took every place in town we could legally ride and turned it into walking and mountain bike trails and people just continued then took to street as well so ya woods and mx is fun but not available unless you drive 4hrs plus one way so ya man I get it. I never got a street bike bc I know how I am I wouldn't be able to always pussy foot around it's just not me I enjoy the gforce the acceleration the sound ect I do it with cars and trucks now but atleast I'm semi protected in comparison in the woods ur not contending with 2 and 3ton vehicles trying to kill you lol
I buy and sell a hell of a lot so gives me a chance to learn new bikes enjoy and ride new bikes when fixed and hopefully make a profit we all lose at some point or get bitten but last year I had around 170 bikes that’s where I gave up counting lol was going through at least 12 different bikes a week for about 8 months lol
I think you're missing one of the many key features about a supermoto. It's great at urban exploration, being able to ride it on the road and take it off roading whenever you see something you want to explore. I don't know about you but when I'm driving in my car, every now and then I'll look out my window and see some cool abandoned building or dirt lot that I think would be cool to ride my dirtbike on, well with a supermoto you can actually get to those places without having to load your bike in the back of a pickup and drive there. They are great if you live in a big city with lots of random trails and infrastructure to ride on.
Whoever Said supermotos are for stunts and Not Made for racing should legit be banned from commenting bcuz i ve never heard Something that stupid in my life
I completely agree with you on the decision to take up motocross instead. I couldn’t fathom wiping out my street/track bike, but wiping out my 2023 Husqvarna TE150 countless times now still doesn’t upset me too much (well, except for the last time, destroying the exhaust).
See I race a GSXR 1000 fairly competently and I am scared of motocross, to the point I won't step foot on a track cause I get goose bumps, because of crashing on a motocross track lol. Idk something is definitely wrong with me.
Best bike ive owned is my 2016 africa twin. Heavier springs and racetech gold valves amongst other mods. I shortened the gearing and ride the thing like a hooligan. Seated, standing and knee knocker wheelies all day. 115000kms later, oil changed every 5000kms, regular servicing myself and zero problems, literally nothing failed other than normal wear items needing to be replaced. Solid bike
I feel the same man I don’t do track days but riding the trails as hard as a I can makes road riding just all that much easier. Crashing going hard through a dirt turn at 15 mph has a lot less consequences and more to learn from.
Mister Chaos, sir, there are a few of us out here who really do enjoy MX bikes and watching you progress... I'm very glad that you're keeping it. The SuperMoto has been really interesting - its not for me, but it's clear that you enjoyed your time with it. It's been a fun experiment. Next up... well, how about a well-used budget bike (
You mentioned experiencing the slicks, they're indeed insane. But I was even more impressed by the supermoto rain tyres in wet conditions, it's unbelievable how much grip you still have with those in really poor conditions. Every motor lover deserves to have at least three road bikes and three offroad bikes. Nehh, if it would be up to me I had sold very few of the bikes I owned. And I'm with you, motocross is awesome ! Waiting for a bit better wetter to do some laps again on the SXF 250, it's insane fun.
Motocross! Yes, that is where I started and then moved to Supermoto. Try to keep one of each around so I can ride whichever floats my boat at the moment. Of course, the other option is the motocross bike with a Supermoto setup that you can swap to, which I had when I had a CRF450R. Supermoto racing actually came first, starting with "The Superbikers" in the US (shown an ABC Wide World of Sports). It then progressed to a series of races in Europe (mainly France) with the showcase race being a version of the Bol d'Oro. That lead to the European series, then the World championships. But, of course, moto guys being what we are, stunting came along, kind of bringing a bunch of stunts from the off-road world to the asphalt. Hey, we are what we are! (BTW, nice blues riff in the middle of the video!) Wish I lived much closer (or had the funds to ship it), because I would love to own that bike. But SA to the US is a BIG bill of lading! Have fun with whatever bike you get next!
I considered the Husqvarna 701SM before I went with the Duc 950 Hypermotard. The KTM/ Husqvarna are good bikes. My decision came down to the longer Hwy stretches & the Duc has more legs but the KTM/ Husqvarna 701 have more useable power in the technical parts.
That’s why I wound up buying a set of supermoto wheels for my motocross bike. It takes some work converting before the track day but I can have one bike fill two roles
I am someone who owns both a KTM 690 SMC-R (not a special supermoto like the FS450, but still not bad) and a kawasaki motocross bike. I can't say that I ride both of them really well, but I've had the chance to experience both of them to some extent. I've ridden the 690 on the track (a big F1 track like Istanbul Park isn't really ideal for this bike, but it was still a lot of fun), and I ride the motocross bike almost every weekend. In terms of adrenaline and excitement, I don't think anything can compare to the feeling of motocross. Yes, supermoto is a lot of fun, and riding any bike on the track is probably exciting too, but for me, there's no question that motocross is much more thrilling. It sounds like we share similar opinions on this topic.
@@petebusch9069 That's why I mentioned "we share similar opinions" at the end. But I don't completely agree with your statement that everything is just an opinion. Some things can be factual, and some people might have difficulty accepting them and mistake them for someone else's opinion. :)
I hear electric bikes have massive amounts of torque. One of my instructors at motorcycle mechanic institute has one and says it never gets old having that much torque at his disposal
What you probably need is a road supermoto, a sumo that needs less maintenance and that runs 17" front&back. Something like a drz 400, an honda xr-r or a 690/701.
Or the KTM 690 Duke! Now that's the perfect bike! (needless to say, I have one!) Oops, just realized that you mentioned that with those numbers! Sorry!
Riding off road, mx or enduro.. is 100x more enjoying than street/asphalt.. but it comes at a cost.. You will end up in the hospital at some time, with some pretty good injuries that will set you back and make you rethink your decisions.. I have had 4 knee surgeries, 3 broken collar bones, wrist 2x, ankle 1x, so many broken ribs I can't count.. I grew up racing mx, then to hare scrambles, then to GNCC... Now its been almost 10yrs since I even threw a leg over an MX bike other than to just wheelie a buddies rmz450 across a corn field to feel what the newer 450's feel like.. It took 30sec for me to say, nope.. I enjoy going to work and staying injury free..
When i first got into supermoto i had a drz s that i converted. I kept dirt and street rims and swapped a lot. Rode to work during the week and the track on the weekend. It wasnt the fastest but did both and in 30k miles never rebuilt it. Heck i ran the spark plug for over 20k. That said after a few track days my stable got bigger adding an rmz450 then ktm450 and another ktm450.... What i would suggest is just getting a used set of rims for your yz. Instead of slicks run some conti attack street tires. And just get a cheap 320 front brake to run the stock caliper. Most tracks will want some sliders and a coolant catch but easy to add. I kept my last ktm 450 and have 3 sets of wheels for it. Some alpinas with slicks, some 18/21 with gummy trail tires and some 19/21 moto. I was happy with the longevity of dunlop gp tires. Other softer tires wear out quick but the dunlops were a good mix. My favorite tire was a maxxis presa but they stopped making them. It was super sticky and soft.
i just had to fall a couple times in motocross to learn that it is much more dangerous than supermoto. I fell 20+ times on tarmac tracks and i just broke one finger, while in motocross i fell just 4-5 times but one was so bad that i nearly got myself disabled. i don't know if it is just for me but i feel supermoto much safer. Tarmac may be hard... but you don't fall from high ground...
If you do get a harley. I recommend getting the lightest sportster you can fine. Slapping a 1275 kit, air/pipe/intake ect. Doing a retune and it will power wheelie stock gearing. Drop a tooth and its this fun 0-60 cruiser. It's also a blast when someone on a giant harley thinks they are bad and tries to posture for no reason and you leave em in the dust on "The girl bike"
I've considered doing a supermoto conversion to my dual sport, but most rides I gravitate towards the dirt. DOT knobbies can do almost everything a supermoto tire can, but still let you experience the thrills of odd road riding.
@@ShawnandSean Eh, going from enduro to supermoto and trying to do enduro stuff with it just dosen't work. Sure u can do it and i did it but big meh after riding enduro. Also has a lot to do with the size of the rim.
For years I looked for a single bike that could do track riding, road riding and city riding really well. Today I say; Ride Them All, because in reality you're building your perfect bike collection, one bike at a time.
Best fun I am having on cheap motorcycles is on pitbikes on indoor karting tracks or (still have to find out about this one tho since it's my first season owning my own pitbike instead of renting one for a day) tight outdoor karting tracks. Check out my latest upload for a full session. Best part is timestamped in the description tho.
I have a $4K USD 2-stroke SM conversion I take to the track (1km kart and 3.5km full) every week. I run Metz M5s and have a blast with almost no maintenance. 10-m wheel swap and back to enduro or MX. I'm not riding a competition machine but I'm having silly fun and learning a ton. SM is made for racing not stunting but can do both - it was born of racing. Watch S1GP - it's some of the best racing you'll see I think.
As a supermoto rider , it just makes me mad that people think that supermoto is stunts and whilees xD. and i think that you probably wold have enjoyed more the supermoto after more time prcticing , becosue you start to learn to enter sliding into the corners!! great video !!
Supermoto in all its glory. But imagine going flat out down rough a bumpy downhill, sliding into the corner railing the burm to hit a huge tabletop. The asphalt will never compare to the rush of that. Or the motocross start. 40 guys, behind a gate into the first corner. Supermoto is fun and all but I like extreme sports, and to me, supermoto is kinda tame.
I'm on a 2010 bmw k1300s and while yes many will just call it another street bike but man this thing check marks all the boxes for me. Having a shaft driven sport bike is just a different experience comes with the bags and all for the road trips. Even though the bmw logo scares people maintenence is beyond easy without having to remove fairings for oil changes. Even the clutch was essentially the case bolts and then one giant 30mm holding your pack on. You can change your clutch in under an hour on one of these. Did I mention most came stock with a quick shifter XD
Me and my buddies supermotos are over 200 hours stock engines woods riding track riding street bullshit, I don’t know if a better more fun riding experience other than fe501/500exc with 2 sets of wheels
Nothing is as fun and dynamic as dirtbike riding, particularly enduro and cross country exploration. I still love high powered road bikes, particularly nakeds, (and particularly the ducati streetfighter V2), but a road bike has a more serious adrenaline rush feel to racing, whereas dirtbike riding is more of a mellow focused fun... not like a Superbike where it's like an "oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck I'm gonna die" type fun.
All roads lead to baggers.. And all tracks lead to motocross. Much the same way as Harley’s (or cruiser style bikes) are where most street riders end up. Motocross is where us track junkies eventually end up as well.. It just makes logical sense once you start factoring in bang for your buck.. I can bang out an entire adrenaline filled weekend on my rmz (all maintenance included) for less than the cost of the fuel to run my 1290R for a single track day… It’s a great way to get your kicks and also afford to do other things as well
When you get a few more years on your body (I’m early fifties) you’ll appreciate the paved tracks a lot more. The dirt is fun & excellent for learning about bike control but that dirt beats the crap out of you & wears you down quick.
If you live near areas where there are a lot of places to ride dirtbikes legally without having to trailer hours there and back, then it is a ton of fun. But if you live in areas where there are no legal trails or tracks, the asphalt becomes your trail system. I dont need to dedicate an entire day to ride on my supermoto. When I have an hour to waste, I can just walk into the garage and jump on my supermoto and ride. I have ridden all the different styles of bikes and my supermoto is the most fun i have ever had on 2/1 wheel.
Supermoto is the king of track riding… saying that supermoto isn’t challenging enough when you’re not backing it in for 50~100m, and not power wheelieing out of every corner, you’re not even close to its limits.
How about a 701/690 as a replacement. Of course it is NOT a fs 450 but that's as close as you can get to it but without replacing your engine after 5k miles. It definetly is great fun an d street legal too👀...
KTM launching a 690 ADV this year, could work very well for you, I'm 100% getting one to replace my Duke scrambler hybrid that I've been running-could be the illusive perfect power/weight unicorn...
I have the perfect trifecta..... ktm 300xc for dirt, Aprilia v4 1100 for speed, and a Husky 701 SM for well... FUN!!. I love and ride all three equally.
I have to agree dirt is way more fun. But the biggest problem for me is all tracks and riding areas are an hour drive away. Street legal supermoto allows me to ride more often especially when my local canyon roads or only 20 minutes away
Funny, I came to the opposite conclusion and sold my YZ250 (that I had ridden for over a decade), sold my pickup truck and got out of dirt riding completely. Was tired cleaning chains, changing rear tires, cleaning air filters, maintaining the suspension etc. Wanted to see if I could get sponsored to race in the dezert, ironically I burnt myself out of riding in the process. That was 5 years ago now, I still don't really have the desire to ride dirt anymore. Great content!
I’m sorry to hear that! Keeping riding fresh is important. MX helped to reignite my passion for bikes. That’s the brilliance of bikes, there are so many different disciplines to get excited about if another one gets boring.
you should get one of those knobby knifes it's a knife that heats up used to sharpen mx tires if it gets worn out I am wondering if it works or not love the content man good luck with the future 💪💪❤️❤️
Motocross and trail riding is the best... You can ride like a loon without losing your license and even though it's still dangerous it's safer than riding on the roads where all you will hit is concrete or cars at much higher speeds if things go wrong
I think it’d be interesting if you went with the Goldwing for the next video, as it’s like the exact opposite idea, dimensions, and set-up as a supermoto.
Remind me of my homie with that "I'm not very good at it and so consequently don't enjoy it". I never really got that because you have to wade through the valley of sucking at something to get good, and it is usually about the journey rather than destination when looking back..
There is a solution to the supermoto problem of price while still doing trackdays. Minimoto. Get a smaller pitbike or mini dirtbike and put supermoto wheels on it. Cheap to run, low maintenance, tires last forever, and you can push your skill level higher and higher for less money. Give it a try.
Do you think it’s worth purchasing a supermoto to add into a stable? I’ve currently have a Z H2 SE, Sportster S and a TNT135. I’ve been looking into the 690 SMC R or the Enduro R.
Sold my 07' V-Strom and my Honda CB400n Cafè Racer for R100k, bought a 2022 Suzuki GIXXER 250 Naked...I'm a happy man, what I've realised is that bikes not in use will be "tarped" and be deprived of attention, the bike doesn't deserve it.
Off roading is much safer than normal street bikes bc were he lives and I live ( South Africa 🇿🇦) there are taxis and drivers everywhere who can’t drive. So I stand with his motocross decision
LMFAO dude I have a tracked out R3 and a 690 SMC-R, I will offer what I can and hopefully it serves you well. I love dirt biking, I love my WR250f and riding trails + enduro. I genuinely love supermoto and what it has allowed me to transfer into my road racing career. I went to American Supercamp and learning how to back it in sumo style translated well for the R3, but they all work hand in hand. I would honestly get back into sumo later on if I were you just because it is something that polishes everything else.
Goodbye Husky !! I say road 2 Stroker just for kicks but that's also very maintenance unfriendly so realistically not the best choice but for 3 Weeks you won't regret it !! Get a Langen 250 lmao. Thanks keepbit up.
@Chaos Causes the supermoto series south africa use to do involved dirt i know cause i race it during the time for UTC kawasaki. Short circuit series was gonna add dirt back into the sport mostly at VKC but decided not to. people are asking for the old supermoto series to come back so hopefully soon it does
I ride a super moto on the street on the daily and I love it I am loving it so much I am not sure I want to upgrade the cc (only a punie 125) but I find it is just so addictive and enjoyable to ride
Just a suggestion, buy supermoto wheels for the YZ. This way you can enjoy both MX and Supermoto. It's not very cheap option but is cheaper than whole bike like the Husky.
@@Streamlines why won't? My KTM suspension is quite stiff and it's fully adjustable, don't have experience with Yamaha. A lot of people in my country put supermoto wheels on mx bikes, enduro bikes to but their suspension is too soft for SM, so it's only good for streat.
@@naskicha468 it will work but won't perform on the same level. I imagine off-road geometry is very different from on-road/racing too (fork height), as well as damper and spring setup front and rear. Sure you can put SM wheels on it and ride around on it to have some fun. But you will find the limit soon and it will hold you back.
@@Streamlines if you are trying to be a competitive racer, sure. but 90% of the converted sumos on the road are running stock suspension and it works fine. it will work just fine for track days when you're just out to have fun and challenge yourself. geometry can be adjusted. you can drop the front end down or raise it up by changing where the forks sit in the triple tree.
if i have a dirt track in my back yard, i would go MX too but i don't so i ride SM. Some lucky riders can street legal a YZ450, best way to go if your area allow plating a dirt bike
Literally just sold my 2017 FS450 3 days ago. Sold it for 6500 and just bought a 2018 KTM 450 xc-f with 60 hours on it for 5k yesterday. Gonna put the extra cash towards a sport bike i think.
Try some ATV with street setups. I had offroad version of Yamaha 600 Raptor back in the days but ended selling it.. now I miss it. It was really fan at dirt so why not at street too?
I Wanna add another Type of Supermoto, The Urban God! I have a total legal street CRF450 Supermoto for Daly, in a City of 5.5Millions People where u can split lines, drop stairs, do 140 km/l on highways and go tho the near twisties every weekend meanwhile i use it everyday to work. Perfect Big City weapon!
supermoto bikes arent built for stunting, they just evolved to be the almost perfect stunt bike. supermoto racing is way older than supermoto stunting so those who say supermotos are for stunting are very much wrong
By watching your bucket list, I say buy an electric bike next. Motorcycles are more than just noise. They might change your mind. I don't know if there are available chargers over there, but I say try it. Cheers.
Why not a big supermoto like the SMCR/701SM or Ducati Hypermono 698? You get close to a true SM experience but without the hassle and you can ride it on the street and track, to include big road courses.
This fukin AMAZING. I was raised on fairly non exciting TV cable channel production s about subject matter like this. The fact that a (not so) ordinary bloke can write, direct and act in something FAR more entertaining with a cutting edge production value is mind boggling. Many of these You Tubers ALSO edit and insert music and special effects too. Not everyone can do this. But the fact that so many CAN is a boon to society. Then, there is the fact that SO MANY of these channels ALSO demonstrate and EDUCATE and give (their own) advice to help in major dollar purchase decisions by "The Great Unwashed"..ie people like me, with no talent, but a desire to research and learn as much as possible without having severe buyers remorse. I am only at 1:33 and I had to stop, comment, LIKE and SUBSCRIBE to this bloke's channel. Clever boy!
I've been going back and forth between bikes for 20years and I also get bored easily I currently have a KTM 690 smrc, xr400r street legal with dirt tires, xr650l with dual sport tires and I use it as an adventure bike but the 400 is my all time favorite it off roads amazing
Supermotos have always seemed a waste to me. I've settled on a stable of four bike: enduro, two ADV middleweights on opposite ends of segment, and a super bike.
U got any advice for someone that can only have 1 bike with no trailer I want to hit some trials but still have a street legal bike should I convert a dirt bike/ enduro or should I get a dual sport or a super moto?
Your opinion on a proper electric bike like an Energica after trying (not owning) one for a few weeks or months. If possible. They are amazing machines and super fun to ride :)
As an enduro rider of a gasgas 300 stroker I agree with you, yes I have two roads bikes but off road riding is safer, more exciting and just better all round. I have owned 55 roads bikes so I don't say that lightly.
Unfortunately offroad riding is not easily accesible where I live :( Thus, country roads it is. Heaps of fun on a Ninja zx6r :)
@@chriskrajewski6568 same here, id love to do enduro or motocross. its just i have to drive too far for a track or get yelled at in the woods
I have to drive 2 hours + to get anywhere i can ride offroad legally.
I can ride 5 minutes and hit a twisty mountain road, that is empty most of the week.
Buying a 675 street triple was an easy choice for me :)
@@wheelxx in my town it isn't legal to ride like that anymore period if ur not on a farm bc after they took every place in town we could legally ride and turned it into walking and mountain bike trails and people just continued then took to street as well so ya woods and mx is fun but not available unless you drive 4hrs plus one way so ya man I get it. I never got a street bike bc I know how I am I wouldn't be able to always pussy foot around it's just not me I enjoy the gforce the acceleration the sound ect I do it with cars and trucks now but atleast I'm semi protected in comparison in the woods ur not contending with 2 and 3ton vehicles trying to kill you lol
@@chriskrajewski6568 sz2zsasaa1E
When you can't settle on a bike, but don't have the money to own them all
Story of my life...
Too true. 😪
A life goal of mine is to make enough money to comfortably own 5 bikes 🤣
Right there with ya. 27 in 13 years
I buy and sell a hell of a lot so gives me a chance to learn new bikes enjoy and ride new bikes when fixed and hopefully make a profit we all lose at some point or get bitten but last year I had around 170 bikes that’s where I gave up counting lol was going through at least 12 different bikes a week for about 8 months lol
I think you're missing one of the many key features about a supermoto. It's great at urban exploration, being able to ride it on the road and take it off roading whenever you see something you want to explore. I don't know about you but when I'm driving in my car, every now and then I'll look out my window and see some cool abandoned building or dirt lot that I think would be cool to ride my dirtbike on, well with a supermoto you can actually get to those places without having to load your bike in the back of a pickup and drive there. They are great if you live in a big city with lots of random trails and infrastructure to ride on.
This guy gets it ☝️
@@char.9101 Fully agree with you
Whoever Said supermotos are for stunts and Not Made for racing should legit be banned from commenting bcuz i ve never heard Something that stupid in my life
I completely agree with you on the decision to take up motocross instead. I couldn’t fathom wiping out my street/track bike, but wiping out my 2023 Husqvarna TE150 countless times now still doesn’t upset me too much (well, except for the last time, destroying the exhaust).
See I race a GSXR 1000 fairly competently and I am scared of motocross, to the point I won't step foot on a track cause I get goose bumps, because of crashing on a motocross track lol. Idk something is definitely wrong with me.
Best bike ive owned is my 2016 africa twin. Heavier springs and racetech gold valves amongst other mods. I shortened the gearing and ride the thing like a hooligan. Seated, standing and knee knocker wheelies all day. 115000kms later, oil changed every 5000kms, regular servicing myself and zero problems, literally nothing failed other than normal wear items needing to be replaced. Solid bike
I feel the same man I don’t do track days but riding the trails as hard as a I can makes road riding just all that much easier. Crashing going hard through a dirt turn at 15 mph has a lot less consequences and more to learn from.
Mister Chaos, sir, there are a few of us out here who really do enjoy MX bikes and watching you progress... I'm very glad that you're keeping it.
The SuperMoto has been really interesting - its not for me, but it's clear that you enjoyed your time with it. It's been a fun experiment.
Next up... well, how about a well-used budget bike (
You mentioned experiencing the slicks, they're indeed insane. But I was even more impressed by the supermoto rain tyres in wet conditions, it's unbelievable how much grip you still have with those in really poor conditions.
Every motor lover deserves to have at least three road bikes and three offroad bikes. Nehh, if it would be up to me I had sold very few of the bikes I owned.
And I'm with you, motocross is awesome ! Waiting for a bit better wetter to do some laps again on the SXF 250, it's insane fun.
Motocross! Yes, that is where I started and then moved to Supermoto. Try to keep one of each around so I can ride whichever floats my boat at the moment. Of course, the other option is the motocross bike with a Supermoto setup that you can swap to, which I had when I had a CRF450R.
Supermoto racing actually came first, starting with "The Superbikers" in the US (shown an ABC Wide World of Sports). It then progressed to a series of races in Europe (mainly France) with the showcase race being a version of the Bol d'Oro. That lead to the European series, then the World championships. But, of course, moto guys being what we are, stunting came along, kind of bringing a bunch of stunts from the off-road world to the asphalt. Hey, we are what we are!
(BTW, nice blues riff in the middle of the video!)
Wish I lived much closer (or had the funds to ship it), because I would love to own that bike. But SA to the US is a BIG bill of lading!
Have fun with whatever bike you get next!
I considered the Husqvarna 701SM before I went with the Duc 950 Hypermotard. The KTM/ Husqvarna are good bikes. My decision came down to the longer Hwy stretches & the Duc has more legs but the KTM/ Husqvarna 701 have more useable power in the technical parts.
That’s why I wound up buying a set of supermoto wheels for my motocross bike. It takes some work converting before the track day but I can have one bike fill two roles
I am someone who owns both a KTM 690 SMC-R (not a special supermoto like the FS450, but still not bad) and a kawasaki motocross bike. I can't say that I ride both of them really well, but I've had the chance to experience both of them to some extent. I've ridden the 690 on the track (a big F1 track like Istanbul Park isn't really ideal for this bike, but it was still a lot of fun), and I ride the motocross bike almost every weekend. In terms of adrenaline and excitement, I don't think anything can compare to the feeling of motocross. Yes, supermoto is a lot of fun, and riding any bike on the track is probably exciting too, but for me, there's no question that motocross is much more thrilling. It sounds like we share similar opinions on this topic.
You can daily the 690 though, while the same can't be said about the MX bike.
Never state opinion as fact, its a poor way to make your point. Everything is what it is and we all see it differently.
@@petebusch9069 That's why I mentioned "we share similar opinions" at the end. But I don't completely agree with your statement that everything is just an opinion. Some things can be factual, and some people might have difficulty accepting them and mistake them for someone else's opinion. :)
Hahahahaha! "Die before owning an electric bike" ❤️😄
It's important to have goals!
Same you. No one wants an e-bike
I hear electric bikes have massive amounts of torque. One of my instructors at motorcycle mechanic institute has one and says it never gets old having that much torque at his disposal
What you probably need is a road supermoto, a sumo that needs less maintenance and that runs 17" front&back. Something like a drz 400, an honda xr-r or a 690/701.
Or the KTM 690 Duke! Now that's the perfect bike! (needless to say, I have one!)
Oops, just realized that you mentioned that with those numbers! Sorry!
Riding off road, mx or enduro.. is 100x more enjoying than street/asphalt.. but it comes at a cost.. You will end up in the hospital at some time, with some pretty good injuries that will set you back and make you rethink your decisions.. I have had 4 knee surgeries, 3 broken collar bones, wrist 2x, ankle 1x, so many broken ribs I can't count.. I grew up racing mx, then to hare scrambles, then to GNCC... Now its been almost 10yrs since I even threw a leg over an MX bike other than to just wheelie a buddies rmz450 across a corn field to feel what the newer 450's feel like.. It took 30sec for me to say, nope.. I enjoy going to work and staying injury free..
When i first got into supermoto i had a drz s that i converted. I kept dirt and street rims and swapped a lot. Rode to work during the week and the track on the weekend. It wasnt the fastest but did both and in 30k miles never rebuilt it. Heck i ran the spark plug for over 20k. That said after a few track days my stable got bigger adding an rmz450 then ktm450 and another ktm450....
What i would suggest is just getting a used set of rims for your yz. Instead of slicks run some conti attack street tires. And just get a cheap 320 front brake to run the stock caliper. Most tracks will want some sliders and a coolant catch but easy to add. I kept my last ktm 450 and have 3 sets of wheels for it. Some alpinas with slicks, some 18/21 with gummy trail tires and some 19/21 moto.
I was happy with the longevity of dunlop gp tires. Other softer tires wear out quick but the dunlops were a good mix. My favorite tire was a maxxis presa but they stopped making them. It was super sticky and soft.
This! no need for 2 bikes when u can have 1 and do both.
i just had to fall a couple times in motocross to learn that it is much more dangerous than supermoto.
I fell 20+ times on tarmac tracks and i just broke one finger, while in motocross i fell just 4-5 times but one was so bad that i nearly got myself disabled. i don't know if it is just for me but i feel supermoto much safer. Tarmac may be hard... but you don't fall from high ground...
If you do get a harley. I recommend getting the lightest sportster you can fine. Slapping a 1275 kit, air/pipe/intake ect. Doing a retune and it will power wheelie stock gearing. Drop a tooth and its this fun 0-60 cruiser. It's also a blast when someone on a giant harley thinks they are bad and tries to posture for no reason and you leave em in the dust on "The girl bike"
I've considered doing a supermoto conversion to my dual sport, but most rides I gravitate towards the dirt. DOT knobbies can do almost everything a supermoto tire can, but still let you experience the thrills of odd road riding.
You’d be surprised how well supermoto tires do on dirt. As long as it’s not sand or mud they grip really well!
@@ShawnandSean Eh, going from enduro to supermoto and trying to do enduro stuff with it just dosen't work. Sure u can do it and i did it but big meh after riding enduro. Also has a lot to do with the size of the rim.
Try ride those DOT knobbies like youre on a supermoto with slicks and you will eat the tar so hard.
For years I looked for a single bike that could do track riding, road riding and city riding really well. Today I say; Ride Them All, because in reality you're building your perfect bike collection, one bike at a time.
Best fun I am having on cheap motorcycles is on pitbikes on indoor karting tracks or (still have to find out about this one tho since it's my first season owning my own pitbike instead of renting one for a day) tight outdoor karting tracks. Check out my latest upload for a full session. Best part is timestamped in the description tho.
Once I got my CR250R, my CBR600RR has been collecting dust..... ain't nothing like motocross, I'm headed to the track this weekend!
Dude. I own a cb300r and a cbr600rr. Def can relate. The 600 is just a hassle sometimes. The 300 is so easy to whip around anywhere
Don't worry!
There's a few of us Dirt/Road lovers here!
I have a $4K USD 2-stroke SM conversion I take to the track (1km kart and 3.5km full) every week. I run Metz M5s and have a blast with almost no maintenance. 10-m wheel swap and back to enduro or MX. I'm not riding a competition machine but I'm having silly fun and learning a ton. SM is made for racing not stunting but can do both - it was born of racing. Watch S1GP - it's some of the best racing you'll see I think.
As a supermoto rider , it just makes me mad that people think that supermoto is stunts and whilees xD.
and i think that you probably wold have enjoyed more the supermoto after more time prcticing , becosue you start to learn to enter sliding into the corners!!
great video !!
Supermoto in all its glory. But imagine going flat out down rough a bumpy downhill, sliding into the corner railing the burm to hit a huge tabletop. The asphalt will never compare to the rush of that. Or the motocross start. 40 guys, behind a gate into the first corner. Supermoto is fun and all but I like extreme sports, and to me, supermoto is kinda tame.
I love motocross and supermoto and have very little interest in road bikes so I could see the motocross reveal coming and it does make sense tbh
I'm on a 2010 bmw k1300s and while yes many will just call it another street bike but man this thing check marks all the boxes for me. Having a shaft driven sport bike is just a different experience comes with the bags and all for the road trips.
Even though the bmw logo scares people maintenence is beyond easy without having to remove fairings for oil changes. Even the clutch was essentially the case bolts and then one giant 30mm holding your pack on. You can change your clutch in under an hour on one of these.
Did I mention most came stock with a quick shifter XD
I do think that a motocross themed video would be nice
First bike was a YZ 125, then HD 883 Hugger, then Ninja 400, then a CR650L. Just bought a DRZ 400sm and it does it all…really satisfies me❤
Me and my buddies supermotos are over 200 hours stock engines woods riding track riding street bullshit, I don’t know if a better more fun riding experience other than fe501/500exc with 2 sets of wheels
I miss my SM I was never bored riding it. You could ride everywhere and any road or path could be a racing track :) .
Nothing is as fun and dynamic as dirtbike riding, particularly enduro and cross country exploration. I still love high powered road bikes, particularly nakeds, (and particularly the ducati streetfighter V2), but a road bike has a more serious adrenaline rush feel to racing, whereas dirtbike riding is more of a mellow focused fun... not like a Superbike where it's like an "oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck I'm gonna die" type fun.
as someone that began motocross half a year ago, i'm glad you chose this way
Love and resemble your reasons. I bought 701 and I already had an R1. I tended to ride the R1 a lot more than the supermoto. Mighty fine video.
All roads lead to baggers.. And all tracks lead to motocross.
Much the same way as Harley’s (or cruiser style bikes) are where most street riders end up. Motocross is where us track junkies eventually end up as well.. It just makes logical sense once you start factoring in bang for your buck.. I can bang out an entire adrenaline filled weekend on my rmz (all maintenance included) for less than the cost of the fuel to run my 1290R for a single track day… It’s a great way to get your kicks and also afford to do other things as well
When you get a few more years on your body (I’m early fifties) you’ll appreciate the paved tracks a lot more. The dirt is fun & excellent for learning about bike control but that dirt beats the crap out of you & wears you down quick.
If you live near areas where there are a lot of places to ride dirtbikes legally without having to trailer hours there and back, then it is a ton of fun. But if you live in areas where there are no legal trails or tracks, the asphalt becomes your trail system. I dont need to dedicate an entire day to ride on my supermoto. When I have an hour to waste, I can just walk into the garage and jump on my supermoto and ride. I have ridden all the different styles of bikes and my supermoto is the most fun i have ever had on 2/1 wheel.
I have 3 motorcycles, im glad I dont have to sell one! Each one is special! BMW GS, Triumph Street Triple, Yamaha TT 600
Supermoto is the king of track riding… saying that supermoto isn’t challenging enough when you’re not backing it in for 50~100m, and not power wheelieing out of every corner, you’re not even close to its limits.
How about a 701/690 as a replacement. Of course it is NOT a fs 450 but that's as close as you can get to it but without replacing your engine after 5k miles. It definetly is great fun an d street legal too👀...
It's on the bucket list for sure!
KTM launching a 690 ADV this year, could work very well for you, I'm 100% getting one to replace my Duke scrambler hybrid that I've been running-could be the illusive perfect power/weight unicorn...
I'm so happy you chose an mx bike, fun has no boundaries, and costs aren't that bad if you can do basic maintenance.
I have the perfect trifecta..... ktm 300xc for dirt, Aprilia v4 1100 for speed, and a Husky 701 SM for well... FUN!!. I love and ride all three equally.
I have to agree dirt is way more fun. But the biggest problem for me is all tracks and riding areas are an hour drive away. Street legal supermoto allows me to ride more often especially when my local canyon roads or only 20 minutes away
Funny, I came to the opposite conclusion and sold my YZ250 (that I had ridden for over a decade), sold my pickup truck and got out of dirt riding completely. Was tired cleaning chains, changing rear tires, cleaning air filters, maintaining the suspension etc. Wanted to see if I could get sponsored to race in the dezert, ironically I burnt myself out of riding in the process. That was 5 years ago now, I still don't really have the desire to ride dirt anymore. Great content!
I’m sorry to hear that! Keeping riding fresh is important. MX helped to reignite my passion for bikes. That’s the brilliance of bikes, there are so many different disciplines to get excited about if another one gets boring.
you should get one of those knobby knifes it's a knife that heats up used to sharpen mx tires if it gets worn out I am wondering if it works or not love the content man good luck with the future 💪💪❤️❤️
Motocross and trail riding is the best... You can ride like a loon without losing your license and even though it's still dangerous it's safer than riding on the roads where all you will hit is concrete or cars at much higher speeds if things go wrong
Just bought a Husky SMR 450. Using it for a daily driver. Last one was an FZR 400, so track bikes are my thing.
I think it’d be interesting if you went with the Goldwing for the next video, as it’s like the exact opposite idea, dimensions, and set-up as a supermoto.
Remind me of my homie with that "I'm not very good at it and so consequently don't enjoy it". I never really got that because you have to wade through the valley of sucking at something to get good, and it is usually about the journey rather than destination when looking back..
Motocross is the most fun you can have on any vehicle. At least for me. I miss it so much.
There is a solution to the supermoto problem of price while still doing trackdays. Minimoto. Get a smaller pitbike or mini dirtbike and put supermoto wheels on it. Cheap to run, low maintenance, tires last forever, and you can push your skill level higher and higher for less money. Give it a try.
As a Yamaha enthusiast I'd like to see a proper oldschool big bike with 4-cylinder like a XJR...😁
Do you think it’s worth purchasing a supermoto to add into a stable? I’ve currently have a Z H2 SE, Sportster S and a TNT135. I’ve been looking into the 690 SMC R or the Enduro R.
Interesting. I do like to get into dirt biking in the future myself.
Thanks for another sweet video, bro. I'd love to see you get to know an older big-cc naked bike, I reckon your choice would be pretty interesting.
2-stroke 250's (RGV, TZR, NSR, APRILIA) or some kinda 90's--2000's collectable sportbike. This is what I'd like to see. Ensign...... Make it so!
Sold my 07' V-Strom and my Honda CB400n Cafè Racer for R100k, bought a 2022 Suzuki GIXXER 250 Naked...I'm a happy man, what I've realised is that bikes not in use will be "tarped" and be deprived of attention, the bike doesn't deserve it.
I love my ninja 300. Great bike. I was really hoping you were going to go with the R3🤷♂️
Off roading is much safer than normal street bikes bc were he lives and I live ( South Africa 🇿🇦) there are taxis and drivers everywhere who can’t drive. So I stand with his motocross decision
LMFAO dude I have a tracked out R3 and a 690 SMC-R, I will offer what I can and hopefully it serves you well. I love dirt biking, I love my WR250f and riding trails + enduro. I genuinely love supermoto and what it has allowed me to transfer into my road racing career. I went to American Supercamp and learning how to back it in sumo style translated well for the R3, but they all work hand in hand. I would honestly get back into sumo later on if I were you just because it is something that polishes everything else.
Ktm 950/990 my favorite street bike to this day. I own and have owned many street bikes and I always find myself riding the 950smr most always.
Awesome vid, quick question though.. would a 450 supermoto be too much for my first road bike?
Goodbye Husky !! I say road 2 Stroker just for kicks but that's also very maintenance unfriendly so realistically not the best choice but for 3 Weeks you won't regret it !! Get a Langen 250 lmao. Thanks keepbit up.
@Chaos Causes the supermoto series south africa use to do involved dirt i know cause i race it during the time for UTC kawasaki. Short circuit series was gonna add dirt back into the sport mostly at VKC but decided not to. people are asking for the old supermoto series to come back so hopefully soon it does
I ride a super moto on the street on the daily and I love it I am loving it so much I am not sure I want to upgrade the cc (only a punie 125) but I find it is just so addictive and enjoyable to ride
The attention to detail he wore the same color tshirt as of the CC intro animation color at the beginning.
Wise decision. These videos have been an eye opener 😳
Just a suggestion, buy supermoto wheels for the YZ. This way you can enjoy both MX and Supermoto. It's not very cheap option but is cheaper than whole bike like the Husky.
Won't work. Supermoto suspension doesn't work for offroad purposes and vice-versa.
@@Streamlines why won't? My KTM suspension is quite stiff and it's fully adjustable, don't have experience with Yamaha. A lot of people in my country put supermoto wheels on mx bikes, enduro bikes to but their suspension is too soft for SM, so it's only good for streat.
@@naskicha468 it will work but won't perform on the same level. I imagine off-road geometry is very different from on-road/racing too (fork height), as well as damper and spring setup front and rear. Sure you can put SM wheels on it and ride around on it to have some fun. But you will find the limit soon and it will hold you back.
@@Streamlines if you are trying to be a competitive racer, sure.
but 90% of the converted sumos on the road are running stock suspension and it works fine. it will work just fine for track days when you're just out to have fun and challenge yourself.
geometry can be adjusted. you can drop the front end down or raise it up by changing where the forks sit in the triple tree.
if i have a dirt track in my back yard, i would go MX too but i don't so i ride SM.
Some lucky riders can street legal a YZ450, best way to go if your area allow plating a dirt bike
Literally just sold my 2017 FS450 3 days ago. Sold it for 6500 and just bought a 2018 KTM 450 xc-f with 60 hours on it for 5k yesterday. Gonna put the extra cash towards a sport bike i think.
Try some ATV with street setups. I had offroad version of Yamaha 600 Raptor back in the days but ended selling it.. now I miss it. It was really fan at dirt so why not at street too?
Looking forward to hear your experience with adventure bikes
Funny you came to this conclusion! I'm about to get rid of my rsv4 and pick up a kx450 ( go full dirt) for the same reasons!
Love your videos. I just bought a '23 450 smr as a training tool, for roadracing my r6 racebike.
Can yoh tell me what video editing software you use?
I'd love to see a MT-01, but you have already an mt-09... altough, the 01 has a v-twin
I Wanna add another Type of Supermoto, The Urban God! I have a total legal street CRF450 Supermoto for Daly, in a City of 5.5Millions People where u can split lines, drop stairs, do 140 km/l on highways and go tho the near twisties every weekend meanwhile i use it everyday to work. Perfect Big City weapon!
supermoto bikes arent built for stunting, they just evolved to be the almost perfect stunt bike. supermoto racing is way older than supermoto stunting so those who say supermotos are for stunting are very much wrong
That’s why I bought the KLX 300SM because of the longer service intervals
I really like your videos always very interesting and very unique
Yessssss!!! I started on dirt and will be making my way back soon
I ride motocross’s but love both forms of 2 wheels
By watching your bucket list, I say buy an electric bike next. Motorcycles are more than just noise. They might change your mind. I don't know if there are available chargers over there, but I say try it. Cheers.
I miss it already 🥲
Man, I loved the Supermoto Kontent
Why not a big supermoto like the SMCR/701SM or Ducati Hypermono 698? You get close to a true SM experience but without the hassle and you can ride it on the street and track, to include big road courses.
Just get a Husqvarna 701. Awesome fun and huge service intervals.
I love all that is motorcycle but Dirt is a big heart on me.
Sad that my country don't have motocross with that easy like yours. ;)
Peace
This fukin AMAZING. I was raised on fairly non exciting TV cable channel production s about subject matter like this.
The fact that a (not so) ordinary bloke can write, direct and act in something FAR more entertaining with a cutting edge production value is mind boggling.
Many of these You Tubers ALSO edit and insert music and special effects too.
Not everyone can do this. But the fact that so many CAN is a boon to society.
Then, there is the fact that SO MANY of these channels ALSO demonstrate and EDUCATE and give (their own) advice to help in major dollar purchase decisions by "The Great Unwashed"..ie people like me, with no talent, but a desire to research and learn as much as possible without having severe buyers remorse.
I am only at 1:33 and I had to stop, comment, LIKE and SUBSCRIBE to this bloke's channel. Clever boy!
I'll bet someone is going to get a 17" sumo conversion kit very soon. 😉
Saw your bike on facebook market place. Super Clean
Next is a yz250 with the 500 conversion on super motos. Monster powerban for stunts. Super Light for racing.
I'd like to see you on a BMW R1250 GS. Doing some adventure riding. Could be interesting for you to experience an adventure bike
I've been going back and forth between bikes for 20years and I also get bored easily I currently have a KTM 690 smrc, xr400r street legal with dirt tires, xr650l with dual sport tires and I use it as an adventure bike but the 400 is my all time favorite it off roads amazing
Moto bro here, welcome to the club 🤘 much love from the states
Supermotos have always seemed a waste to me. I've settled on a stable of four bike: enduro, two ADV middleweights on opposite ends of segment, and a super bike.
One of those 2 wheel drive bikes would be sick as mate
U got any advice for someone that can only have 1 bike with no trailer I want to hit some trials but still have a street legal bike should I convert a dirt bike/ enduro or should I get a dual sport or a super moto?
Your opinion on a proper electric bike like an Energica after trying (not owning) one for a few weeks or months. If possible. They are amazing machines and super fun to ride :)
Get a 1290 Super Duke 3.0. I can't get enough of it.
You do you bro. 👈