Osage person here! When y'all see this movie, know that this is a only a chapter in our history. We do not live as victims today, though the effects of the Reign of Terror are still present. We are a proud, resilient people and our tribe is a strong nation. This story needs to be told, but just know that there's so much more to us than just this :)
this could be Scorsese's and Robert De Niro's last film, watching legends like this clock in 100% at their age is incredible. I really pray they make one more film for us before they depart or retire.
It is insane that here in 2023, the high budget/ sequel/ franchises/ superhero genre are the ones losing money while stand-alone films like Barbie, Oppenheimer and now, Killers of the Flower Moon are well received and a breath of fresh air! I really hope this film does well in the box office. Definitely watching this in theatres!
the second highest grossing movie of the year is based on a video game property and is basically a superhero (Super Mario). Avatar 2 is one of the most expensive movies ever and was the highest grossing movie of last year. Barbie is also IP from 60 years ago. Dont quite see your point but Im glad Oppenheimer made the money it did.
@@nms7872 his point isn’t literally about franchises or expensive movies in general…but rather the niche that is traditional superhero movies this last decade, which are high budget, sequels, and action. Mario, Barbie, avatar are from franchises sure, but are revitalized and function as a breath of fresh air to the over-saturation/dominance of the MCU/DCU…and are genuinely good movies on top of that. These three are more original material for the big screen in comparison. Avatar took forever to get a sequel so nobody got burned by its franchise, and historical pieces are getting great publicity.
This is also my first Martin Scorcese film in the theater experience.... but for a fairly unique reason.... 30 years ago my mother-in-law let a woman she met live at her house for a short period of time. This woman told my wife stories of living on the Osage reservation as a child.... my wife would tell me these stories when we were first dating, and I thought 1) why would her mother allow a perfect stranger to live in her house, and 2) this woman must be a nut job because these stories were so horrifying and unbelievable. This woman's name was Elizabeth Burkhart Ware, and was the daughter of Earnest and Mollie Burkhart, the 2 main characters in this movie. My wife would tell me how Elizabeth was frustrated that this period of history was basically swept under the rug and never got the attention it deserved. So, I will be seeing it in the theater and wishing she could have been alive today to see that this tragic story is finally getting the attention that it deserves.
@@lancinekeita4823 I asked my wife how long Elizabeth stayed with them ... since it was 30 years ago, she didn't have a recollection of how long she stayed, but could only say it was more than 2 weeks and could have been closer to a month... my wife at one point drove to Dana Point ,CA to do some apartment hunting... she was in So Cal dealing with a personal matter and was looking into relocating I think...
Why? That’s wasted time time in a business that time = money. If every movie of the day has an intermission than that probably equates to a complete viewing
@@Thisthat1234 I once asked my local theater that we do every movie needs intermission when this is not a culture in so places and they said that they made money during intermissions, as most of the money from tickets went to producers they earn money by selling popcorn, drinks and other things during intermissions. In my country movie tickets are very cheap so maybe that's why they still have intermissions
As a diabetic, crazy to see the transformation of where we were with the technology of treating diabetes on film. How much of a hassle it was, and how it slowly kills you if you don’t get your insulin.
Scorsese is a master at putting a million shots in his movies and not wasting a single second of film. Goodfellas, Casino, and The Departed are great examples of this. Watch how often the camera cuts, and how many times there are scenes less than 30 seconds long, but it never feeling like a single frame is out of place. Like a car moving too fast to jump from.
So true! See how a movie like Wolf of Wall Street, feels so energetic throughout its 180 min runtime. That is because of Scorsese's treatment of screenplay and pacing. Packs the movie densely with scenes and the scenes with a lot of important dialogue. And of course, Thelma then adds her wonderful touch and as a result a long movie feels fun and interesting.
I just got back from watching. I disagree on this film. I feel like you could cut 45 minutes to an hour from this film and it would be much better. The first half was great, but man does the second half drag. I hate having to include this, but I feel it’s necessary: this is my opinion.
@@SteelerFan716I agree 100%. This movie isn’t for everyone’s taste. A story like this if it’s not going to offer more acting moments or action should be cut down from 3+ hours. I was engaged by choice. The movie didn’t keep me engaged.
You don’t get some answers because this book was written based on what the investigative journalism and historical documentation pieced together. The book was amazing and can’t wait to see the movie!
I read the book before I watched the movie when I was watching the movie,My brain kept filling the blanks but my brother did wonder about these things left unanswered so I told him.
Interviewed Lily once and she is wonderful! So down-to-earth, intelligent, and talented; just a remarkable individual! I highly recommend watching her performance in Certain Women as well as another recent movie of hers called Unknown Country. For those who go to film festivals, keep an eye out for the short film The Handsome Man. She and Evan Adams from Smoke Signals are in it
I have seen Certain Women, loved it. I also want to see The Unknown Country but I don't know where to watch it in my country, I'm still searching for it. Hopefully it can get a wider streaming release
Scorsese's casting director showed him Certain Women and that convinced him. No audition, no nothing, just got her on Zoom. He said it was the way she carried herself and those eyes. She can do all these very subtle things that are just perfect for film acting. Think of all the scenes in this movie where it all plays out on her face. Gladstone, meanwhile, was registering for a data analytics course. She was about to get out of acting, literally, when she got the email saying he wanted to meet.
@@ErasureeraserThe wager was incredible. I know this is sacrilege to say but Leo drives me crazy so it's been hard seeing him attached to some of my favorite book adaptations. I heard a long time ago he was going to be involved with The Devil in the White City too.
@@wking8 The Devil In The White City is not moving forward in Hulu but their still plans to shopped it to other studios, hopefully HBO picks it up given that Scorsese has worked with them few times including the Boardwalk Empire series
I've only watched one other review, but as someone who read and loved the book, I must say that you understand the story and have articulated that understanding most satisfactorily
I just watched an advanced screening and it was a tough watch. It showed a lot of the gritty moments of history that aren't really discussed and it was brutal, exhausting, and frustrating- which makes complete sense due to the subject matter. I'm glad this movie gave space to showcase Indigenous actors and real issues that our people had to face to get where we are. I really hope this continues to shed light to more mainstream audiences :)
It was tough.. (two bad guys in real life as far as Im concerned) one is a complete shill.. and leo is just a morally weak womanizer They werent acting, thats who they are & Scorcese knew it.
this movie was absolutely boring . i had to watch it in 3 parts (and i was really considering to quit at times) leo was overacting , he might as well be breaking the 4th wall because his performance was so bad , he seemed totally out of place in this movie (his worst performance that i can think of) script looks like a solid drama entwined with moral dilemma and greed and many immoral choices but the problem is it doesn´t work , the director fails to build the right kind of atmosphere for it you don´t feel the weight of leos actions and you don´t feel anything for him (not even hate or disgust for his character) i was totally indifferent to the outcome of the story and i did not care what will happen to any of the characters (and that is a problem for a drama movie) .
This movie was such a hard watch. I really felt my stomach turn seeing leo & Rob scene by scene. Really disturbing & disgusting. A story that definitely needed to be told. Never felt bored & was hooked throughout. Fire movie
I just watched it and I agree. The pacing is great. It never flags or drags. It’s also beautifully photographed and gives you a feel for the Osage Hills where I grew up. It also helps you get into the Osage culture, not just the Anglo culture. DiCaprio and Gladstone show you both the romance building and then eroding under the pressure of deaths and suspicion. That makes it believable how Burkheart could betray his wife but then agree to be the key witness against his uncle. The actual investigative details get a rush treatment, but it works for this movie. It’s far more realistic than how this material was presented in The FBI Story.
I watched the movie and I can’t disagree more about the pacing. It drags and the narrative suffers for it. Scorsese could have cut an hour from the runtime of this bloated meandering mess of a movie and it would be better for it
Yeah, I never felt like the movie was 3.5 hours. It felt rather 2 hours and 45 minutes. There was only two times where I checked my watch to find out how long I've been watching the movie
So excited to see this movie, we're in for a rough end of the year, but i'm hoping Scorsese can pull us through. Huge fan of both Deniro and Leo. This movie is gonna absolutely blow the ratings off the charts.
I seen this movie last night, the entire production, cast and setting had me at fucking’awe, the way the story progressed just kept filling me with dread, and De Niro, my god I have never hated such a character ever since Joffrey, with that being said De Niro did outstanding, and let’s not forget Gladstone, not only was she gorgeous but her chemistry with DiCaprio always made it seem like the camera was never there and made the different scenes genuine, but when it came time for her to show her true potential she was a powerhouse, and last but not least Leo DiCaprio; his performance was so well you couldn’t help but to feel bad for him[his character], but in the end his performance was so outstanding the moments of raw emotion were not only chilling but spectacular, this movie imho delivered and kept true to its word, I’m glad Oppenheimer, The Creator and Killers of the flower Moon are all iMAX
I loved the film. It’s great that we have these titanic big budget drama films in killers of the flower moon and Oppenheimer. Also agree that it should be a mini series
Who knows, maybe Scorsese will release a miniseries version on AppleTV with extended content. Similar to Tarantino's HATEFUL EIGHT on Netflix or Baz Lurmann's AUSTRALIA next month on Hulu.
I highly recommend reading the book this film is based on (same name). I've just finished it in time for the movie release and I feel like it gives me a necessary context dump. (I'm from Wales - American history is not something I'm well versed in. But I am fascinated by it)
I had to have read over 10 thousand books in my life . At least 3 times that number if I'm counting Comics , manga and Light novels . Had never heard of that book nor the Osage eitheruntil this movie was made .
I ran into some of the crew for this film at a hotel in NY, including the editor Scorcese works with on most of his projects. All great and talented people who helped to bring attention to an important story more people should know about.
@@stevennieto9898 Yup! I didn't get to speak with her, but I saw a couple people telling her how much they liked her work and they confirmed who she was.
@@tuckershuff1441 Schoonmaker spent most of her career with Scorsese so if you liked a Scorsese movie that came out since Raging Bull, you'll like her editing too 😂
I've never seen a Martin Scorsese movie in a theater before. So Killers of the Flower Moon will be my first time seeing it in theater so I'm super excited and pumped to see what this movie is going to offer even when the runtime is 206 minutes, I'm so ready. Fingers cross this movie will be nominated for a lot of awards especially that Scorsese himself has been long overdue for a second Oscar win. It's amazing to see these type of movies being played in theaters, it deserves a lot of support
Just saw it a little while ago, premiere night at my local theater. Extremely few people there, possibly less 10. I thought the film was brilliant, there are several standout moments from this 3 and a half hour long monster. Scorsese did it again. He made another brilliant film that made me upset, laugh, even cry at one point during a certain scene with fire, glazed over eyes, tainted whiskey and a simple line of “You’re next.” There were also several moments where I was completely on edge. Many of those times were when Ernest and Molly were all alone. You can feel the tension and anxiety, how uncomfortable and afraid Molly is. I got minor nitpicks but they’re incredibly minor. I’d give it a 9/10 and it’s gonna be in my top films of this year. GREAT VIDEO JEREMY!
Maybe it's because I'm in Oklahoma, but I checked around 4:30 on Friday afternoon, and every showing was sold out until after 9 PM except for the IMAX screen that had a few bad seats in the front corners. I didn't realize how long the run time was until I was walking in and noticed the auditorium that started the movie 3 hours earlier was still playing. I thought for what was an interesting story to tell, it was the slowest paced movie ever and could have definitely cut at least an hour of runtime. The only 2 points I really agree with Jeremy are that the 3 leads were good (not so much for the rest of the cast), and this movie was better than Oppenheimer.
@@poit57 I was honestly really disappointed with the turnout at my theater. Opening night for a Scorsese movie starring Leo and De Niro and there were only 6-7 people there besides my girlfriend and I. Maybe they all went to the 3pm daytime showing? I honestly disagree with you though on both things (and that’s okay). I thought the 3.5 hours was worth it, I thought the pace was fine, but there was a lot more I’d change about this film than I would change about Oppenheimer.
I went to a 1:15pm showing on Sunday and my theater had an alright turnout, I’d say about 30 people but I could tell me and my girlfriend were pretty much the youngest people there lol. Probably made my girlfriend nervous as she had never seen a Scorsese movie before but she ended up really enjoying it.
Scorsese's long time editor, Thelma Schoonmaker is the editor of this movie, one of the greatest editors of all time so that's absolutely fantastic. And not to mention that this is Robbie Robertson's final composing work before his death back in August
@@jameschristenbury2625 100%, all of it was filmed on the reservation and worked closely with the tribe to get it as accurate as possible, also hired Osage to work on the movie as well
@andrewmccune2895 Yeah, I read a lot about how the movie crew showed that they wanted to be respectful to the Osage culture and earn their trust. That's the right thing to do and the best that non Osage people can do, which is to collaborate with the communities they're depicting when it's not Osage people actually making the film.
So glad you were also confused about that ending, because I left the theater like, "Damn did I miss something?" Because they made a point of showing him putting half the vial in his own drink then being fucked up the next day. So like.. he knew right? But if he knew, why lie at the end?? And if he didn't know, HOW did he not know?? But also his character is dumb af, so I can't be THAT surprised he may not have known, but like... uuuuugh. Until that moment, I truly felt that their love for each other was actually real, which made everything super sad, now I gotta question everything smh. Most movies I usually forget by the next day but here I am 3 days later still stewing over it lmaooo
my personal take is that in that moment, looking her in the eyes, he couldn’t bring himself to admit that he had been poisoning the love of his life and reverted to the safety of the lie he had been given
I believe he lied since he’s a bad liar to Molly. He can never look at her in the eyes, you can see his behavior towards her from the beginning to 2hrs into the movie when he kept saying idk about her first husband’s death/murder. He did lie on the stand saying he didn’t marry her for the money, it was love. Yet his uncle is the one that brings her up, then her old ex, which he uses as an ice breaker finally. It was after the Uncle mentioning her, her wealth, and single status, that Earnest says he thinks “she’s sweet on me”. He may have fallen in love eventually, but he was planted to make a move by his uncle.
My take is that he tried to convince himself that it was something to keep his wife calm but he knew deep inside it was a poison. And later, he could not confess. He could not admit how he f@kt the situation. Better a bold lie than admit naïvity or intention (or the layered both).
Awesometacular. Nothing less. I think the ending was a brilliantly artistic way of saying how history can very easily be trivialized and not be considered that important. But it still is.
lets be honest the movie was a boring s..t "dressed up" as art . it was a total miss and the worst scorsese movie i have ever seen . but you are right making it 1 hour (or even more) shorter would help immensely . if the movie itself is making you think about how it could be shorter it means you are not really enojying it so much (there are 3 hours long movies out there that are making you feel like they are not long at all and you are fully invested and this one is just not one of them at all)
The last Scorsese movie I saw at a cinema was Wolf of Wall Street, and since he made that "theme park ride" comment about superhero movies, I went into Killers of the Flower Moon expecting Scorsese to make a point. Like, come on, master, show us real cinema. And then he did. It's a lot, it's art, it's daring, and it's cinema. I do wish the movie has a built in popcorn break, like in the old days. My bladder was close to bursting, but same as Jahns, I didn't want to leave my seat midway through.
@@michawee Paramount and Apple collab to fund this movie kiddo. It was at first only for Paramount but as the budget began to rise, Apple stepped in to help finance the movie. I mean did you see the Paramount logo in the freaking trailers????? Apple is now helping big studios like Sony and Paramount in funding their movies
This man is my favorite reviewer. He just always is able to talk about a movie in a way that doesn't spoil it but gives me an idea of the movies plot & whether it's good or not while never caring what people think of his opinion! Keep it up Jeremy, been watching for years and will be for more!! Jeremy > Stuckman(any day)
My parents are huge Scorsese fans. I was too young to be taken to theater to see Goodfellas or Casino. The first one I saw in theaters was Bringing Out the Dead. That film is a great companion piece to After Hours. I was actually living in Italy when Gangs of New York was released. I remember watching the film in theater with headphones on to hear the original English soundtrack, because the theater was using its speakers to showcase the Italian dubbed version. Everything since The Departed has been in the US. I'm a little disappointed Silence didn't do so well in theaters. That film has many layers to it worth talking about. Goodfellas is still the film I always go back to every year, though. As someone who is an American of Irish/Italian descent, that film speaks to me in a very tangible way.
Not at all. He actually did Joker in 2019 and he was great. Another great serious role was The irishman and he was also fine in Amsterdam but that movie was horrible and boring. So he is still doing serious roles
You can’t go wrong with Scorsese and De Niro. He basically played the same character from goodfellas 😂 but it was still amazing. But Ms. Gladstone! I’m in awe at her performance, she deserves every award she gets from this. Phenomenal movie
Not the same character at all but I kind of know what you mean. DeNiro has this way of knowing how to deliver underlying sinister lines in a very buddy buddy charming or nonchalant way, which is what makes scenes tense when he’s on screen hoping whomever he’s talking to says the right thing back to him.
They filmed a whole lot of this movie in my town. Did some of the catering for the crew. Was a great time. Can’t wait to see it and see some of my buds as extras in the background.
Hi Jeremy! You made an interesting point about the Oscars and being nominated or not… Just wondering if anyone else feels like that award is no longer relevant to the quality of all parties involved in film? Maybe we don’t have to judge any aspect of a film in comparison to a possible award. Jeremy Jahns has been a dedicated reviewer for many years now and I believe he’s one of the best for giving us a perspective that most of us feel we understand and agree with…like he seems to experience most films like I do and many others… if he says it’s good.. I trust him. If he says it’s crap.. I believe him. I stopped trusting and believing the oscars many years ago.
I’m Native American, I’m from the Absentee Shawnee Tribe. Nothing about the Osage killings was never taught in US history class when I was in high school or Oklahoma history. I went to high school from 2006-2010. The only way I found out about the Osage killings, channel 9 news, did a 10 minute story on the 10 o’clock news about the Osage killings that happen in the 1920s and 30s
There were a couple teachers who tried to teach their classes about what happened, but the state legislator banned any classrooms discussing anything that involved race or gender.
The terrifying part is that these acts were easier to do because they were deemed okay and there were little arguments against them. I like how Martin Scorsese incorporates language and culture of the Osage nation. He said that the original idea was based mostly on the detective investigating the murders, it was scrapped because it did not feel right. I agree because it would not be idle to portray the struggles of the Osage nation by ignoring their identity and using the perspective of the colonisers the movie is criticising.
I agree with the sentiment of your post. But how is the story of the detectives investigations the perspective of the colonizers? There’s nothing colonizing about an investigation from the FBI on femicide for the purpose of obtaining headrights. The story is much more complex and nuanced, and i agree that telling it from the perspective of those who suffered is crucial to capturing the true stories and horrors of the acts committed against them. Conflating the perspectives of the detectives, who at least brought some sort of Justice to this community against these criminals, and a story which probably otherwise would have been swept under the rug like so many other injustices endured by indigenous women and children otherwise, with perspectives of colonizers just isn’t accurate dude.
@@mig3598 The detectives were white people sent by the government that was, at that point, currently still genociding native Americans, who had to be paid to investigate the murders no less.
This was the most agonizing and frustrating watches of the year. I had to stop it at least half a dozen times, because I just couldnt believe what was going on. And before the credits, when it told us that it was a true story I got hit by a train. I sat 20 minutes in my bathroom just crying
Simply blown away by this one. Stunning, sickening film. While I was more entertained by Oppenheimer, I'd argue this is the better film on a quality level. Scorsese has seemingly unending energy to keep making films, bless him, but this would very much work as his swan song.
Martin Scorsese and Robert De Niro has known Leo since he was a young teenager, he must feel very blessed to be nearly 50 years old and for his predecessors to still be alive and not retired. And they still want to work with him 30 years later. 🤯
And yet Leo is still commited to working with him after this with The Wager. And who knows Scorsese might cast both of them in the Jesus movie that Scorsese is working on 😂
As a fellow 50yo GenXer, the respect we feel toward DeNiro is immeasurable. I never even saw Taxi Driver bc my parents warned me I couldn't handle it but I saw Cape Fear when I was about 18, and DeNiro scared the socks off me as Max Cady!😬
@@doc8013 I have not. I have lived through some things that I know would be triggered by watching a crazed DeNiro skulk around with a gun. I barely got through 1 viewing of Cape Fear.
This movie managed to keep me engaged all the way through its crazy. The humor in this movie was fantastic despite it being such a dark film in terms of presence. Edit: one of the few 3hr+ films that didn’t feel as such.
I absolutely loved the movie, My only regret is I wish it had been just a little bit more on the "fun" and "entertaining" side like The Departed or Wolf of Wall Street were, just a tiny bit. This was great but felt a bit like a 3 hours long documentary. But still 4.5/5 for me.
I was so hyped for this movie and after just returning from seeing it, I'm checking out the reviews. I'm noticing a common theme amongst the reviewers, especially with the 3 hrs and 30 min runtime, and I'm curious what others think when they see it. Unfortunately the movie heavily drags on. The acting performances, for the most part, were very good. I love Jesse Plemons, but he was just kind of there in the film, not much engagement. There's a huge lack of engagement with the characters, especially with the ones who were "lost" and I think that, along with the wildly long runtime, overshadowed the sadness and brutality of what happened to the Osage Tribe. The feeling I walked away with was nearly identical to The Irishmen - it just fell flat for me. I'd still give it a 6.5 maybe almost a 7. Let me take a sec to mention that the book is phenomenal and I recommend it highly, even if one is not into reading historical non-fiction. It is a *very* good book! The movie, sadly, was meh for me. I'll watch it again down the road and perhaps I'll feel differently on second watch. Spending 4 hours in a theater with a film that is slow, is rough. And so much, so much, was either left out or glossed over.
Man, it was so so so soooo long. I struggled to watch it. And I am not one to shy away from long serious movies. But damn, I would rather watch a 1 and a half hour documentary than this film. It was SO LONG! Leo gave shots to his wife like 20 times, and each time WAS SO SLOW!
I don’t know, it did not feel long to me but that is maybe because I read some spoiler free reviews before and they said it is long and drags and I was mentally prepared for that, so maybe that is why it was ok for me
I thought this was a pretty good movie, I’m not like a massive history buff or anything but this movie looked interesting to me, and I had a mostly good time with it, the best thing about it is without a doubt the relationship between Leonardo DiCaprio and Lilly Gladstone, their relationship is spectacular, at the beginning of the movie when these 2 first meet their chemistry together is just so sweet and so adorable and I was just glued to my seat watching these 2, later on in the movie their relationship starts to change and even though I didn’t enjoy it nearly as much as I did for the first half of the movie I still thought it was really good stuff, Robert De Niro was really good too, he did a good job at playing a good antagonist where you know what he’s doing is bad but he doesn’t give a performance where he just seems like a one dimensional asshole, the movie also has some pretty gruesome scenes throughout, much like a war film it really succeeds in capturing the brutality and harshness of the event at hand, there’s also this major plot point revolving around one of the characters that gets introduced in the 3rd act that I thought was really emotionally gut punching, because considering how I felt about it beforehand it just broke my heart to see it turn out like this, and lastly for being a 3 and a half hour movie I didn’t really feel the length that much, it felt more like a 2 and a half hour movie to me, I would say the movie’s biggest weakness is that I feel like the 3rd act especially gets a little too convoluted, near the end of the second act the movie starts taking all these drastic twists and turns to the point where I felt like I was just barely hanging on to grasping what’s going on, definitely not as enjoyable as that first hour that’s for sure, this is a movie where the relationship between the 2 leads is really the glue that held this movie together for me and made me see it in a positive light, so as a whole I had a pretty good time with it, I’d be lying if I said that I thought this was one of the best movies of the year like a lot of other people are saying but I think it’s decent, Leonardo DiCaprio and Lilly Gladstone are incredible together, the movie is very effective at showing the harshness of these events and while it may not be one of the best movies of the year for me like it is for most other people I still liked it. 6/10
Jeremy still hands out the best reviews. No unnecessary filler or BS and while I may not always agree with him, I feel as if these are his unbridled opinions.
I think he knew the bottle had bad stuff in it, and his wife knew he knew it was poison but he still choose to lie about it, that was the moment she decided to leave him. I think Leonardo’s character did love her but was a weak human, his uncle induces fear into his nephew that’s why he poisons her even though he loves her.
See, this is what's crazy to me. I feel like he had no reason to lie at that point, because he already admitted to much worse. But like you said, I guess he was just a weak human. Didn't want to risk losing her. But ironically, that lie was the final straw. Like, the fact that she even asked shows that she wanted to give him a chance, but he fumbled. It's so sad.
3 and a half hrs?? Take my money! It'll be worth the 1,000 dollars I spend on a movie date with my gf. I'm also native American so I'm looking forward to this.
The book this is based on is fantastic, I am so looking forward to this. It's not only the true story of the murders of the Osage people but also the birth of the FBI with Tom White (Jesse Plemons) going to investigate the murders by Hoover.
I actually played a few background extras in this. And while I’ll say the experience wasn’t fun per say, it was a once in a lifetime opportunity I won’t forget.
Spoilers-- - - - - The scene where the FBI agents meet up in the night and you find out that they're the insurance guy and the Native that gets in with the Osage for the investigation was absolutely brilliant. So epic how they sent in the agents under cover then you see them all group up to share their leads and info, then they go all in to get Hale
in my opinion they showed the native guy too much i kinda knew he was undercover because they kept focusing on him should of fewer scenes before the reveal
Lily Gladstone has to win an award for this because her performance was quite something of a masterclass. The expressions on her face were so moving, especially when she wasn’t actually speaking😎😎😎
DiCaprio's character was an absolute triumph. He was selfish, short sighted, and had questionable morals but, he wasn't just simple minded or evil for that matter. It was like an allegory about what can happen if you just take the path of least resistance over and over.
After watching all these reviews I feel weird that I did not enjoy it. I appreciate the story and message but just can't lie to myself and say I liked it. This is someone who went into it wanting to love it. It was just so slow and when it got to the point with about an hour left. I knew what was coming and it just couldn't come soon enough. Does this mean I have bad taste in movies? Maybe. But me and the 3 people I went with felt like we had wasted 3 and a half hours. Once again good story bad movie.
I felt the same, I looked at my watch to see how much longer! I felt it was just too long and Leo started to get on my nerves (sorry!) Mollie was the highlight for me, the actress was superb.
I felt they tried to make Leo's character the compassionate villain and like you sain Denero as the head of the snake. I believe in real life the nephew knew exactly what he was doing dragging out his wifes death until all her families shares went to her and eventually to him. That he could so callously kill his wife's sisters shows his lack of empathy for her even without taking into account poisoning her and seeing the reaults day after day.
This film and Napoleon are what I'm really looking forward to!!💯💯💯 Oscar's, take notice... Oppenheimer, killers of the Flower moon and Napoleon... nominate them for everything!!!
I’m a true crime addict, and I read the book. I was worried they were going to make DiCaprio’s character the protagonist when his real-life counterpart had been more of a supporting character in the book. But this is Hollywood, after all. (Who should be the protagonist? Lily Gladstone’s character.)
The stuff in the bottle of heroin. It slowed her down but also gave them the ability to kill her if she took to much.. which he never did because he loved her and is why he also drank some during the movie to cut her dosage down
I knew jeremy was going to see this instead of the Taylor Swift The Eras Tour Concert Film because let's honest can you imagine Jeremy sitting in a Movie Theater with a bunch of Engentic Swifties who are not displaying theater etiquette? Not Really
1) It's The Intern dude, the Nancy Meyers movie right?, Not The Assistant. The Assistant is that Kitty Green movie starring Julia Garner 😂😂 2) I love The Intern, definitely one of the better De Niro performances in comedy
1:47 SPOILER ALERT . . . . . . . . . . I’m not sure exactly what it was, and I don’t think Leo did either, but I think the point was that he did know it was bad and he did know it was poisoning/killing his wife. I think the ending recontextualizes his character in the sense that he loves money more than he loved her and so he was content with letting her die. Even if he did love her it was only in the most sick, twisted, and demented way. Such a brilliant film.
I think Ernest thought he was only making her sleepy and not actually poisoning her. His love to his family is the only thing that trumped over his naivety and his greed from what I gathered.
YES. I was glad to hear how much Scorsese consulted with the Osage, and hired them on this film, but while watching the film, I got more and more frustrated as it seemed to me that the Native actors mostly came off as props for Leonardo DiCaprio and Robert De Niro to emote over, through no fault of the powerful Native actors! 😝
Was frankly disappointed that they focused on the villains, and less on the actual Osage tribal members. Lily Gladstone was by far the best character and actor as Molly.
'Killers of the Flower Moon' is a cinematic masterpiece, featuring transformative performances from Leonardo DiCaprio and Robert De Niro. The entire cast delivers outstanding acting, making this true story adaptation Oscar-worthy. The film's historical accuracy and attention to detail immerse the audience in a gripping narrative. It sheds light on a dark chapter in American history, offering a thought-provoking exploration of greed and power. Martin Scorsese's direction elevates this film to a must-see cinematic experience
I’d be curious of Jeremy’s opinions and possibly rankings of Martin Scorsese’s older films. Especially ; Taxi Driver, Bringing Out the Dead, and Good Fellas.
Osage person here! When y'all see this movie, know that this is a only a chapter in our history. We do not live as victims today, though the effects of the Reign of Terror are still present. We are a proud, resilient people and our tribe is a strong nation. This story needs to be told, but just know that there's so much more to us than just this :)
Amazing :)
That's a great outlook to have. Living as an eternal victim will only perpetuate the conflict
Respect
Love this! ❤
Nobody is oppressed in 2023 America and every country has a bloody history.
The way Jeremy was praising it and the fact he chose to not go to the bathroom incase he missed something, I was expecting an Awesometacular rating.
That’s almost not a rating anymore lol buy on physical media is basically as high as he goes anymore
I'm assuming that Blu Ray is equivalent to A, Awesometacular is equivalent to A+
@@aronscott9698 He gave it to Oppenheimer, but yeah he gives it to noticeably less films compared to like 10 years ago
I care what he sais about the film more than the rating anyway.
@@Erasureeraser I'd say watch his video where he explains his ratings, its not a set grade system
this could be Scorsese's and Robert De Niro's last film, watching legends like this clock in 100% at their age is incredible. I really pray they make one more film for us before they depart or retire.
They have heard your prayers!
Unless De Niro is cast as Jesus in Scorsese's Jesus movie. Would be amazing if that's a conclusion of their satisfying 5 decade collaboration 😂
it definitely feel like a farewell from Scorsese in some ways
@@misterio10greLet's not pick out the coffin just yet, huh?
@@misterio10gre He and Leo already have a new movie in pre production, lol. Scorcese will keep going till he drops i think.
It is insane that here in 2023, the high budget/ sequel/ franchises/ superhero genre are the ones losing money while stand-alone films like Barbie, Oppenheimer and now, Killers of the Flower Moon are well received and a breath of fresh air!
I really hope this film does well in the box office. Definitely watching this in theatres!
Napoleon 😂
the second highest grossing movie of the year is based on a video game property and is basically a superhero (Super Mario).
Avatar 2 is one of the most expensive movies ever and was the highest grossing movie of last year.
Barbie is also IP from 60 years ago.
Dont quite see your point but Im glad Oppenheimer made the money it did.
@@nms7872 his point isn’t literally about franchises or expensive movies in general…but rather the niche that is traditional superhero movies this last decade, which are high budget, sequels, and action.
Mario, Barbie, avatar are from franchises sure, but are revitalized and function as a breath of fresh air to the over-saturation/dominance of the MCU/DCU…and are genuinely good movies on top of that. These three are more original material for the big screen in comparison. Avatar took forever to get a sequel so nobody got burned by its franchise, and historical pieces are getting great publicity.
Killers of flower moon is projected to be a disaster
I'm glad these film's are making money.
This is also my first Martin Scorcese film in the theater experience.... but for a fairly unique reason.... 30 years ago my mother-in-law let a woman she met live at her house for a short period of time. This woman told my wife stories of living on the Osage reservation as a child.... my wife would tell me these stories when we were first dating, and I thought 1) why would her mother allow a perfect stranger to live in her house, and 2) this woman must be a nut job because these stories were so horrifying and unbelievable. This woman's name was Elizabeth Burkhart Ware, and was the daughter of Earnest and Mollie Burkhart, the 2 main characters in this movie. My wife would tell me how Elizabeth was frustrated that this period of history was basically swept under the rug and never got the attention it deserved. So, I will be seeing it in the theater and wishing she could have been alive today to see that this tragic story is finally getting the attention that it deserves.
TL:DR
That's a fascinating connection to the film. I've been waiting for it for a while now. Hoping it comes to a theater near me
How long did she stay with you guys? Any more stories about her?
@@hammiranda shame, you could've been a little smarter for it.
@@lancinekeita4823 I asked my wife how long Elizabeth stayed with them ... since it was 30 years ago, she didn't have a recollection of how long she stayed, but could only say it was more than 2 weeks and could have been closer to a month... my wife at one point drove to Dana Point ,CA to do some apartment hunting... she was in So Cal dealing with a personal matter and was looking into relocating I think...
Intermissions should be a thing again.
Thank god it's still thing in my country
My local cinema in the U.K. is showing selected screenings with intermissions - I couldn’t be happier
Why? That’s wasted time time in a business that time = money. If every movie of the day has an intermission than that probably equates to a complete viewing
@@Thisthat1234 I once asked my local theater that we do every movie needs intermission when this is not a culture in so places and they said that they made money during intermissions, as most of the money from tickets went to producers they earn money by selling popcorn, drinks and other things during intermissions.
In my country movie tickets are very cheap so maybe that's why they still have intermissions
@@Thisthat1234 - intermissions would be just for movies that are 3+ hours long.
This is going to be the first Martin Scorsese film that I’m going to see in theaters. I can’t wait.
Same!
Same fam
and Opeenheimer was my Nolans first film going to the theatre(Im 19)
@@shakirshums because you are kid
@@raja-jl9osholy fuck its sherlock
Me too, just watched it and it's spectacular!
As a diabetic, crazy to see the transformation of where we were with the technology of treating diabetes on film. How much of a hassle it was, and how it slowly kills you if you don’t get your insulin.
Also to think that the reason why she got diabetes in the first place was eating the "white man's food."
Scorsese is a master at putting a million shots in his movies and not wasting a single second of film. Goodfellas, Casino, and The Departed are great examples of this. Watch how often the camera cuts, and how many times there are scenes less than 30 seconds long, but it never feeling like a single frame is out of place. Like a car moving too fast to jump from.
No one is a master of pacing like Scorsese. He's the best.
You can also thank Thelma for that
So true! See how a movie like Wolf of Wall Street, feels so energetic throughout its 180 min runtime. That is because of Scorsese's treatment of screenplay and pacing. Packs the movie densely with scenes and the scenes with a lot of important dialogue. And of course, Thelma then adds her wonderful touch and as a result a long movie feels fun and interesting.
I just got back from watching. I disagree on this film. I feel like you could cut 45 minutes to an hour from this film and it would be much better. The first half was great, but man does the second half drag. I hate having to include this, but I feel it’s necessary: this is my opinion.
@@SteelerFan716I agree 100%. This movie isn’t for everyone’s taste. A story like this if it’s not going to offer more acting moments or action should be cut down from 3+ hours. I was engaged by choice. The movie didn’t keep me engaged.
You don’t get some answers because this book was written based on what the investigative journalism and historical documentation pieced together. The book was amazing and can’t wait to see the movie!
I read the book. It’s shocking how many questions are still unanswered. Not only that, but they’re still finding new questions.
I read the book before I watched the movie
when I was watching the movie,My brain kept filling the blanks but my brother did wonder about these things left unanswered so I told him.
Interviewed Lily once and she is wonderful! So down-to-earth, intelligent, and talented; just a remarkable individual! I highly recommend watching her performance in Certain Women as well as another recent movie of hers called Unknown Country. For those who go to film festivals, keep an eye out for the short film The Handsome Man. She and Evan Adams from Smoke Signals are in it
I have seen Certain Women, loved it. I also want to see The Unknown Country but I don't know where to watch it in my country, I'm still searching for it. Hopefully it can get a wider streaming release
Scorsese's casting director showed him Certain Women and that convinced him. No audition, no nothing, just got her on Zoom. He said it was the way she carried herself and those eyes. She can do all these very subtle things that are just perfect for film acting. Think of all the scenes in this movie where it all plays out on her face.
Gladstone, meanwhile, was registering for a data analytics course. She was about to get out of acting, literally, when she got the email saying he wanted to meet.
For anybody wondering, the book is equally fantastic and what I consider to be a must-read.
Fact
Any David Grann book is incredible
@@wking8 The Wager is Grann's book that Scorsese and Leo is currently adapting next
@@ErasureeraserThe wager was incredible. I know this is sacrilege to say but Leo drives me crazy so it's been hard seeing him attached to some of my favorite book adaptations. I heard a long time ago he was going to be involved with The Devil in the White City too.
@@wking8 The Devil In The White City is not moving forward in Hulu but their still plans to shopped it to other studios, hopefully HBO picks it up given that Scorsese has worked with them few times including the Boardwalk Empire series
Hearing you say osage nation being a member of the tribe myself has truly made my night love your videos jeremy always have my support!
I've only watched one other review, but as someone who read and loved the book, I must say that you understand the story and have articulated that understanding most satisfactorily
What a time we're living in. To see a Scorcese picture with both Leo and De Niro. I'm so happy
boring lol, Gladstone looks so engaging though
I just watched an advanced screening and it was a tough watch.
It showed a lot of the gritty moments of history that aren't really discussed and it was brutal, exhausting, and frustrating- which makes complete sense due to the subject matter.
I'm glad this movie gave space to showcase Indigenous actors and real issues that our people had to face to get where we are. I really hope this continues to shed light to more mainstream audiences :)
It was tough.. (two bad guys in real life as far as Im concerned) one is a complete shill.. and leo is just a morally weak womanizer They werent acting, thats who they are & Scorcese knew it.
this movie was absolutely boring . i had to watch it in 3 parts (and i was really considering to quit at times)
leo was overacting , he might as well be breaking the 4th wall because his performance was so bad ,
he seemed totally out of place in this movie (his worst performance that i can think of)
script looks like a solid drama entwined with moral dilemma and greed and many immoral choices
but the problem is it doesn´t work , the director fails to build the right kind of atmosphere for it
you don´t feel the weight of leos actions and you don´t feel anything for him (not even hate or disgust for his character)
i was totally indifferent to the outcome of the story and i did not care what will happen to any of the characters (and that is a problem for a drama movie) .
This movie was such a hard watch. I really felt my stomach turn seeing leo & Rob scene by scene. Really disturbing & disgusting. A story that definitely needed to be told. Never felt bored & was hooked throughout. Fire movie
I just watched it and I agree. The pacing is great. It never flags or drags. It’s also beautifully photographed and gives you a feel for the Osage Hills where I grew up. It also helps you get into the Osage culture, not just the Anglo culture.
DiCaprio and Gladstone show you both the romance building and then eroding under the pressure of deaths and suspicion.
That makes it believable how Burkheart could betray his wife but then agree to be the key witness against his uncle.
The actual investigative details get a rush treatment, but it works for this movie. It’s far more realistic than how this material was presented in The FBI Story.
I watched the movie and I can’t disagree more about the pacing. It drags and the narrative suffers for it. Scorsese could have cut an hour from the runtime of this bloated meandering mess of a movie and it would be better for it
Yeah, I never felt like the movie was 3.5 hours. It felt rather 2 hours and 45 minutes. There was only two times where I checked my watch to find out how long I've been watching the movie
Strongly disagree. This movie could have been shorter by atleast 45 minutes and this is coming from a person who loved his last movie
So excited to see this movie, we're in for a rough end of the year, but i'm hoping Scorsese can pull us through. Huge fan of both Deniro and Leo. This movie is gonna absolutely blow the ratings off the charts.
And what's so rough about the rest of the year?
@@williammccormick984 real life war i guess
@@yucel8769genocide*
@@yucel8769 Oh, fucking spare me. If it's so bad, why are you here on TH-cam?
@@williammccormick984 WW3
I seen this movie last night, the entire production, cast and setting had me at fucking’awe, the way the story progressed just kept filling me with dread, and De Niro, my god I have never hated such a character ever since Joffrey, with that being said De Niro did outstanding, and let’s not forget Gladstone, not only was she gorgeous but her chemistry with DiCaprio always made it seem like the camera was never there and made the different scenes genuine, but when it came time for her to show her true potential she was a powerhouse, and last but not least Leo DiCaprio; his performance was so well you couldn’t help but to feel bad for him[his character], but in the end his performance was so outstanding the moments of raw emotion were not only chilling but spectacular, this movie imho delivered and kept true to its word, I’m glad Oppenheimer, The Creator and Killers of the flower Moon are all iMAX
De Niro is an ass wipe in real life too. He played himself in the movie.
I loved the film. It’s great that we have these titanic big budget drama films in killers of the flower moon and Oppenheimer.
Also agree that it should be a mini series
I understood it was planned for streaming. But that cinematography deserves a big screen.
@@rataflechera yes the cinematography was worthy of a big screen but the story may have had more chance to go into the Osage and detective parts
Who knows, maybe Scorsese will release a miniseries version on AppleTV with extended content. Similar to Tarantino's HATEFUL EIGHT on Netflix or Baz Lurmann's AUSTRALIA next month on Hulu.
I highly recommend reading the book this film is based on (same name). I've just finished it in time for the movie release and I feel like it gives me a necessary context dump. (I'm from Wales - American history is not something I'm well versed in. But I am fascinated by it)
"if you so love and trust someone or something this much, you'll want to look past the truth which is killing you". I needed that. Thanks, Jeremy!
I was born and raised in Tulsa, went to Tulsa Public Schools and sadly I had never heard this story until this book came out.
That just means that you didn't read enough books as a young little fella
Nothing new. U.S. history that the government just wants to sweep it under the rug.
I had to have read over 10 thousand books in my life . At least 3 times that number if I'm counting Comics , manga and Light novels . Had never heard of that book nor the Osage eitheruntil this movie was made .
I ran into some of the crew for this film at a hotel in NY, including the editor Scorcese works with on most of his projects. All great and talented people who helped to bring attention to an important story more people should know about.
Thelma Schoonmaker?
@@stevennieto9898 Yup! I didn't get to speak with her, but I saw a couple people telling her how much they liked her work and they confirmed who she was.
@@tuckershuff1441 Schoonmaker spent most of her career with Scorsese so if you liked a Scorsese movie that came out since Raging Bull, you'll like her editing too 😂
@@Erasureeraser When I realized it was her, I could hardly breathe. I was like, "That woman helped make some of my favorite movies of all time."
I've never seen a Martin Scorsese movie in a theater before. So Killers of the Flower Moon will be my first time seeing it in theater so I'm super excited and pumped to see what this movie is going to offer even when the runtime is 206 minutes, I'm so ready. Fingers cross this movie will be nominated for a lot of awards especially that Scorsese himself has been long overdue for a second Oscar win. It's amazing to see these type of movies being played in theaters, it deserves a lot of support
Same here, my first martin movie in theaters. Probably my first dicaprio movie in theater as well.
Just saw it a little while ago, premiere night at my local theater. Extremely few people there, possibly less 10. I thought the film was brilliant, there are several standout moments from this 3 and a half hour long monster. Scorsese did it again. He made another brilliant film that made me upset, laugh, even cry at one point during a certain scene with fire, glazed over eyes, tainted whiskey and a simple line of “You’re next.” There were also several moments where I was completely on edge. Many of those times were when Ernest and Molly were all alone. You can feel the tension and anxiety, how uncomfortable and afraid Molly is. I got minor nitpicks but they’re incredibly minor. I’d give it a 9/10 and it’s gonna be in my top films of this year.
GREAT VIDEO JEREMY!
Maybe it's because I'm in Oklahoma, but I checked around 4:30 on Friday afternoon, and every showing was sold out until after 9 PM except for the IMAX screen that had a few bad seats in the front corners.
I didn't realize how long the run time was until I was walking in and noticed the auditorium that started the movie 3 hours earlier was still playing.
I thought for what was an interesting story to tell, it was the slowest paced movie ever and could have definitely cut at least an hour of runtime. The only 2 points I really agree with Jeremy are that the 3 leads were good (not so much for the rest of the cast), and this movie was better than Oppenheimer.
@@poit57 I was honestly really disappointed with the turnout at my theater. Opening night for a Scorsese movie starring Leo and De Niro and there were only 6-7 people there besides my girlfriend and I. Maybe they all went to the 3pm daytime showing?
I honestly disagree with you though on both things (and that’s okay). I thought the 3.5 hours was worth it, I thought the pace was fine, but there was a lot more I’d change about this film than I would change about Oppenheimer.
I went to a 1:15pm showing on Sunday and my theater had an alright turnout, I’d say about 30 people but I could tell me and my girlfriend were pretty much the youngest people there lol. Probably made my girlfriend nervous as she had never seen a Scorsese movie before but she ended up really enjoying it.
DiCaprio/De Niro/Scorsese finally team up. Not to mention the rest who are invovled with this film. Some amazing talent united.
Scorsese's long time editor, Thelma Schoonmaker is the editor of this movie, one of the greatest editors of all time so that's absolutely fantastic. And not to mention that this is Robbie Robertson's final composing work before his death back in August
They’ve teamed up before. There’s a movie they made together when Leo was real young. They fight like twice in the movie.
@@morganbrown392 I know. I just meant the three of them for the first time. What a collab!
You know it’s good when Jeremy didn’t use the bathroom when he needed to
As a member of the Osage Nation, this movie is a triumph
That's great to know. It seems like Scorsese was intentional on wanting to make a movie that the Osage could proudly endorse.
@@jameschristenbury2625 100%, all of it was filmed on the reservation and worked closely with the tribe to get it as accurate as possible, also hired Osage to work on the movie as well
@andrewmccune2895 Yeah, I read a lot about how the movie crew showed that they wanted to be respectful to the Osage culture and earn their trust. That's the right thing to do and the best that non Osage people can do, which is to collaborate with the communities they're depicting when it's not Osage people actually making the film.
So glad you were also confused about that ending, because I left the theater like, "Damn did I miss something?"
Because they made a point of showing him putting half the vial in his own drink then being fucked up the next day. So like.. he knew right? But if he knew, why lie at the end?? And if he didn't know, HOW did he not know?? But also his character is dumb af, so I can't be THAT surprised he may not have known, but like... uuuuugh.
Until that moment, I truly felt that their love for each other was actually real, which made everything super sad, now I gotta question everything smh.
Most movies I usually forget by the next day but here I am 3 days later still stewing over it lmaooo
open up a dictionary and look up "denial"
my personal take is that in that moment, looking her in the eyes, he couldn’t bring himself to admit that he had been poisoning the love of his life and reverted to the safety of the lie he had been given
I believe he lied since he’s a bad liar to Molly. He can never look at her in the eyes, you can see his behavior towards her from the beginning to 2hrs into the movie when he kept saying idk about her first husband’s death/murder. He did lie on the stand saying he didn’t marry her for the money, it was love. Yet his uncle is the one that brings her up, then her old ex, which he uses as an ice breaker finally. It was after the Uncle mentioning her, her wealth, and single status, that Earnest says he thinks “she’s sweet on me”. He may have fallen in love eventually, but he was planted to make a move by his uncle.
My take is that he tried to convince himself that it was something to keep his wife calm but he knew deep inside it was a poison. And later, he could not confess. He could not admit how he f@kt the situation. Better a bold lie than admit naïvity or intention (or the layered both).
Exactly
Awesometacular. Nothing less.
I think the ending was a brilliantly artistic way of saying how history can very easily be trivialized and not be considered that important. But it still is.
This movie’s story was excellent and so were the performances..but I do think it was way longer than it needed to be
lets be honest the movie was a boring s..t "dressed up" as art .
it was a total miss and the worst scorsese movie i have ever seen .
but you are right making it 1 hour (or even more) shorter would help immensely .
if the movie itself is making you think about how it could be shorter it means you are not really enojying it so much
(there are 3 hours long movies out there that are making you feel like they are not long at all
and you are fully invested and this one is just not one of them at all)
The last Scorsese movie I saw at a cinema was Wolf of Wall Street, and since he made that "theme park ride" comment about superhero movies, I went into Killers of the Flower Moon expecting Scorsese to make a point. Like, come on, master, show us real cinema. And then he did. It's a lot, it's art, it's daring, and it's cinema.
I do wish the movie has a built in popcorn break, like in the old days. My bladder was close to bursting, but same as Jahns, I didn't want to leave my seat midway through.
Martin Scorsese: *Makes a movie with Leonardo DiCaprio and Robert De Niro*
Paramount and Apple TV : "Take our money now"
This is an Apple Original movie 🤷♂️
@@michawee Paramount and Apple collab to fund this movie kiddo. It was at first only for Paramount but as the budget began to rise, Apple stepped in to help finance the movie. I mean did you see the Paramount logo in the freaking trailers????? Apple is now helping big studios like Sony and Paramount in funding their movies
@@michaweeparamount helped fund idiot
@@Erasureeraserpeople that say kiddo in comments should stick their head in the sand
This man is my favorite reviewer. He just always is able to talk about a movie in a way that doesn't spoil it but gives me an idea of the movies plot & whether it's good or not while never caring what people think of his opinion! Keep it up Jeremy, been watching for years and will be for more!!
Jeremy > Stuckman(any day)
I love Jeremy, but no need to be rude to Chris
Jeremy and Chris are not in competition, they are both dope af.
@JHadMusicMgmt oh I never said they did. They just happened to be the highest youtuber reviewers. I just meant Jeremy is better at giving reviews.
Chris got lame.
It's not a competition, they're both great.
Seeing this Thursday night. Can't wait to witness another great film from one our masters of filmmaking in Martin Scorsese.
My parents are huge Scorsese fans. I was too young to be taken to theater to see Goodfellas or Casino. The first one I saw in theaters was Bringing Out the Dead. That film is a great companion piece to After Hours. I was actually living in Italy when Gangs of New York was released. I remember watching the film in theater with headphones on to hear the original English soundtrack, because the theater was using its speakers to showcase the Italian dubbed version. Everything since The Departed has been in the US. I'm a little disappointed Silence didn't do so well in theaters. That film has many layers to it worth talking about. Goodfellas is still the film I always go back to every year, though. As someone who is an American of Irish/Italian descent, that film speaks to me in a very tangible way.
Tangible lol
So happy de Niro us getting better roles again unlike all those bad comedies of late
He wanted to get paid xD
Nancy Meyers' The Intern was probably the last comedy movie starring De Niro that I really liked
@@Erasureeraser I'll check it out
Not at all. He actually did Joker in 2019 and he was great. Another great serious role was The irishman and he was also fine in Amsterdam but that movie was horrible and boring. So he is still doing serious roles
You can’t go wrong with Scorsese and De Niro. He basically played the same character from goodfellas 😂 but it was still amazing. But Ms. Gladstone! I’m in awe at her performance, she deserves every award she gets from this. Phenomenal movie
I agree about Lily Gladstone but not about Robert Deniro playing the role like in goodfellas at all.
De Niro was diabolical in this film, not quite like his performance in goodfellas lol
Not the same character at all but I kind of know what you mean. DeNiro has this way of knowing how to deliver underlying sinister lines in a very buddy buddy charming or nonchalant way, which is what makes scenes tense when he’s on screen hoping whomever he’s talking to says the right thing back to him.
I liked the MONA LISA look she as given in the movie
The last hour of this movie is exhilarating. Pacing is truly amazing
They filmed a whole lot of this movie in my town. Did some of the catering for the crew. Was a great time. Can’t wait to see it and see some of my buds as extras in the background.
Hi Jeremy! You made an interesting point about the Oscars and being nominated or not… Just wondering if anyone else feels like that award is no longer relevant to the quality of all parties involved in film? Maybe we don’t have to judge any aspect of a film in comparison to a possible award.
Jeremy Jahns has been a dedicated reviewer for many years now and I believe he’s one of the best for giving us a perspective that most of us feel we understand and agree with…like he seems to experience most films like I do and many others… if he says it’s good.. I trust him. If he says it’s crap.. I believe him.
I stopped trusting and believing the oscars many years ago.
I’m Native American, I’m from the Absentee Shawnee Tribe. Nothing about the Osage killings was never taught in US history class when I was in high school or Oklahoma history. I went to high school from 2006-2010. The only way I found out about the Osage killings, channel 9 news, did a 10 minute story on the 10 o’clock news about the Osage killings that happen in the 1920s and 30s
There were a couple teachers who tried to teach their classes about what happened, but the state legislator banned any classrooms discussing anything that involved race or gender.
The terrifying part is that these acts were easier to do because they were deemed okay and there were little arguments against them. I like how Martin Scorsese incorporates language and culture of the Osage nation. He said that the original idea was based mostly on the detective investigating the murders, it was scrapped because it did not feel right. I agree because it would not be idle to portray the struggles of the Osage nation by ignoring their identity and using the perspective of the colonisers the movie is criticising.
I agree with the sentiment of your post. But how is the story of the detectives investigations the perspective of the colonizers? There’s nothing colonizing about an investigation from the FBI on femicide for the purpose of obtaining headrights. The story is much more complex and nuanced, and i agree that telling it from the perspective of those who suffered is crucial to capturing the true stories and horrors of the acts committed against them. Conflating the perspectives of the detectives, who at least brought some sort of Justice to this community against these criminals, and a story which probably otherwise would have been swept under the rug like so many other injustices endured by indigenous women and children otherwise, with perspectives of colonizers just isn’t accurate dude.
@@mig3598 The detectives were white people sent by the government that was, at that point, currently still genociding native Americans, who had to be paid to investigate the murders no less.
This was the most agonizing and frustrating watches of the year. I had to stop it at least half a dozen times, because I just couldnt believe what was going on. And before the credits, when it told us that it was a true story I got hit by a train. I sat 20 minutes in my bathroom just crying
Simply blown away by this one. Stunning, sickening film. While I was more entertained by Oppenheimer, I'd argue this is the better film on a quality level. Scorsese has seemingly unending energy to keep making films, bless him, but this would very much work as his swan song.
nah this was scorseses worst movie ...
the main actress was good though ,
also the guy from breaking bad playing the marshall .
De Niro was the standout to me too. He had no remorse for anything going on and ruined countless lives to get his way.
Martin Scorsese and Robert De Niro has known Leo since he was a young teenager, he must feel very blessed to be nearly 50 years old and for his predecessors to still be alive and not retired. And they still want to work with him 30 years later. 🤯
And yet Leo is still commited to working with him after this with The Wager. And who knows Scorsese might cast both of them in the Jesus movie that Scorsese is working on 😂
As a fellow 50yo GenXer, the respect we feel toward DeNiro is immeasurable. I never even saw Taxi Driver bc my parents warned me I couldn't handle it but I saw Cape Fear when I was about 18, and DeNiro scared the socks off me as Max Cady!😬
@@heathernks8have you still not seen Taxi Driver?
@@doc8013 I have not. I have lived through some things that I know would be triggered by watching a crazed DeNiro skulk around with a gun. I barely got through 1 viewing of Cape Fear.
@@heathernks8 triggered? It's fictionalized art, man. The movie isn't that intense. But do you I reckon.
This movie adds to my list of ''Excellent movies that I will only watched once. Because I WILL remember forever.''
Excited to see this! Also excited to see how Brendan Fraser is in this, as well!
Ernest never loved Molly, The film can paint it any color it wants to, but he didn’t love her. It was a con.
This movie managed to keep me engaged all the way through its crazy. The humor in this movie was fantastic despite it being such a dark film in terms of presence.
Edit: one of the few 3hr+ films that didn’t feel as such.
I agree, it got me to laugh a few times.
I’m so ready for this.
I absolutely loved the movie, My only regret is I wish it had been just a little bit more on the "fun" and "entertaining" side like The Departed or Wolf of Wall Street were, just a tiny bit. This was great but felt a bit like a 3 hours long documentary. But still 4.5/5 for me.
I think the subject matter was so serious, he didn't want to take his foot off the gas pedal the whole time.
The real story is wild. I'd highly recommend the book or the Infamous America podcast covering it.
I was so hyped for this movie and after just returning from seeing it, I'm checking out the reviews. I'm noticing a common theme amongst the reviewers, especially with the 3 hrs and 30 min runtime, and I'm curious what others think when they see it. Unfortunately the movie heavily drags on. The acting performances, for the most part, were very good. I love Jesse Plemons, but he was just kind of there in the film, not much engagement.
There's a huge lack of engagement with the characters, especially with the ones who were "lost" and I think that, along with the wildly long runtime, overshadowed the sadness and brutality of what happened to the Osage Tribe. The feeling I walked away with was nearly identical to The Irishmen - it just fell flat for me. I'd still give it a 6.5 maybe almost a 7.
Let me take a sec to mention that the book is phenomenal and I recommend it highly, even if one is not into reading historical non-fiction. It is a *very* good book! The movie, sadly, was meh for me. I'll watch it again down the road and perhaps I'll feel differently on second watch. Spending 4 hours in a theater with a film that is slow, is rough. And so much, so much, was either left out or glossed over.
Man, it was so so so soooo long. I struggled to watch it. And I am not one to shy away from long serious movies. But damn, I would rather watch a 1 and a half hour documentary than this film. It was SO LONG! Leo gave shots to his wife like 20 times, and each time WAS SO SLOW!
I don’t know, it did not feel long to me but that is maybe because I read some spoiler free reviews before and they said it is long and drags and I was mentally prepared for that, so maybe that is why it was ok for me
Love the obscure Prestige reference! An inside joke between me and my sister. "You don't know? You don't know?! How could he not know?"
I thought this was a pretty good movie, I’m not like a massive history buff or anything but this movie looked interesting to me, and I had a mostly good time with it, the best thing about it is without a doubt the relationship between Leonardo DiCaprio and Lilly Gladstone, their relationship is spectacular, at the beginning of the movie when these 2 first meet their chemistry together is just so sweet and so adorable and I was just glued to my seat watching these 2, later on in the movie their relationship starts to change and even though I didn’t enjoy it nearly as much as I did for the first half of the movie I still thought it was really good stuff, Robert De Niro was really good too, he did a good job at playing a good antagonist where you know what he’s doing is bad but he doesn’t give a performance where he just seems like a one dimensional asshole, the movie also has some pretty gruesome scenes throughout, much like a war film it really succeeds in capturing the brutality and harshness of the event at hand, there’s also this major plot point revolving around one of the characters that gets introduced in the 3rd act that I thought was really emotionally gut punching, because considering how I felt about it beforehand it just broke my heart to see it turn out like this, and lastly for being a 3 and a half hour movie I didn’t really feel the length that much, it felt more like a 2 and a half hour movie to me, I would say the movie’s biggest weakness is that I feel like the 3rd act especially gets a little too convoluted, near the end of the second act the movie starts taking all these drastic twists and turns to the point where I felt like I was just barely hanging on to grasping what’s going on, definitely not as enjoyable as that first hour that’s for sure, this is a movie where the relationship between the 2 leads is really the glue that held this movie together for me and made me see it in a positive light, so as a whole I had a pretty good time with it, I’d be lying if I said that I thought this was one of the best movies of the year like a lot of other people are saying but I think it’s decent, Leonardo DiCaprio and Lilly Gladstone are incredible together, the movie is very effective at showing the harshness of these events and while it may not be one of the best movies of the year for me like it is for most other people I still liked it. 6/10
Agreed, although I'd give it more like a 7.
Jeremy still hands out the best reviews. No unnecessary filler or BS and while I may not always agree with him, I feel as if these are his unbridled opinions.
I think he knew the bottle had bad stuff in it, and his wife knew he knew it was poison but he still choose to lie about it, that was the moment she decided to leave him. I think Leonardo’s character did love her but was a weak human, his uncle induces fear into his nephew that’s why he poisons her even though he loves her.
See, this is what's crazy to me. I feel like he had no reason to lie at that point, because he already admitted to much worse. But like you said, I guess he was just a weak human. Didn't want to risk losing her. But ironically, that lie was the final straw. Like, the fact that she even asked shows that she wanted to give him a chance, but he fumbled. It's so sad.
3 and a half hrs?? Take my money! It'll be worth the 1,000 dollars I spend on a movie date with my gf. I'm also native American so I'm looking forward to this.
Leo has always been a great actor
That Hugh Jackman impression was spot on. Had to replay that! 😂
The book this is based on is fantastic, I am so looking forward to this. It's not only the true story of the murders of the Osage people but also the birth of the FBI with Tom White (Jesse Plemons) going to investigate the murders by Hoover.
So excited that Todd from Breaking Bad is Tom White.
@@spartyontop go green! Beat scUM!!!
I didn’t expect Lithgow and Brendan Fraser to show up in this movie.
I actually played a few background extras in this. And while I’ll say the experience wasn’t fun per say, it was a once in a lifetime opportunity I won’t forget.
playing an extra is never enjoyable. It's a slog.
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@@mystikrebel1089 The Fairfax train station, the parade and where Leonardo is driving Lily through town. It was all filmed in Pawhuska.
Yeah right bot . This is posted multiple times same wording
@@goheadfoehead What are you talking about? Do I seem remotely anything like a bot?
Great review ! Only thing I never felt like this was a love story. The power dynamic of the couple was never felt equal
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The scene where the FBI agents meet up in the night and you find out that they're the insurance guy and the Native that gets in with the Osage for the investigation was absolutely brilliant. So epic how they sent in the agents under cover then you see them all group up to share their leads and info, then they go all in to get Hale
in my opinion they showed the native guy too much i kinda knew he was undercover because they kept focusing on him should of fewer scenes before the reveal
Lily Gladstone has to win an award for this because her performance was quite something of a masterclass. The expressions on her face were so moving, especially when she wasn’t actually speaking😎😎😎
Can’t wait to see this movie 🍿 I love true stories.
DiCaprio's character was an absolute triumph. He was selfish, short sighted, and had questionable morals but, he wasn't just simple minded or evil for that matter. It was like an allegory about what can happen if you just take the path of least resistance over and over.
After watching all these reviews I feel weird that I did not enjoy it. I appreciate the story and message but just can't lie to myself and say I liked it. This is someone who went into it wanting to love it. It was just so slow and when it got to the point with about an hour left. I knew what was coming and it just couldn't come soon enough. Does this mean I have bad taste in movies? Maybe. But me and the 3 people I went with felt like we had wasted 3 and a half hours. Once again good story bad movie.
I felt the same, I looked at my watch to see how much longer! I felt it was just too long and Leo started to get on my nerves (sorry!) Mollie was the highlight for me, the actress was superb.
@@natcook6881 same acting was good, but Leo's performance bugged me
I felt they tried to make Leo's character the compassionate villain and like you sain Denero as the head of the snake. I believe in real life the nephew knew exactly what he was doing dragging out his wifes death until all her families shares went to her and eventually to him. That he could so callously kill his wife's sisters shows his lack of empathy for her even without taking into account poisoning her and seeing the reaults day after day.
This film and Napoleon are what I'm really looking forward to!!💯💯💯 Oscar's, take notice... Oppenheimer, killers of the Flower moon and Napoleon... nominate them for everything!!!
I think Ferrari as well. I can see Adam Driver getting nominated.
I’m a true crime addict, and I read the book. I was worried they were going to make DiCaprio’s character the protagonist when his real-life counterpart had been more of a supporting character in the book. But this is Hollywood, after all. (Who should be the protagonist? Lily Gladstone’s character.)
Jeremy is the only movie reviewer I watch. I see a new movie is out, what did Jeramy think about it. True story. Don’t stop, J.
The stuff in the bottle of heroin. It slowed her down but also gave them the ability to kill her if she took to much.. which he never did because he loved her and is why he also drank some during the movie to cut her dosage down
I knew jeremy was going to see this instead of the Taylor Swift The Eras Tour Concert Film because let's honest can you imagine Jeremy sitting in a Movie Theater with a bunch of Engentic Swifties who are not displaying theater etiquette? Not Really
I hate it when people say a movie is bad because of the run time! 😏😏
You know what one of my favorite movies with Robert DeNiro is? The Assistant (with Anne Hathaway) , Robert *Shines like a Diamond* 💎 in that film 🥰
1) It's The Intern dude, the Nancy Meyers movie right?, Not The Assistant. The Assistant is that Kitty Green movie starring Julia Garner 😂😂 2) I love The Intern, definitely one of the better De Niro performances in comedy
You know it’s an effective and affecting movie when JJ isn't talking at blistering speed in the review.
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I’m not sure exactly what it was, and I don’t think Leo did either, but I think the point was that he did know it was bad and he did know it was poisoning/killing his wife. I think the ending recontextualizes his character in the sense that he loves money more than he loved her and so he was content with letting her die. Even if he did love her it was only in the most sick, twisted, and demented way. Such a brilliant film.
the way he poisoned her reminded me of the way an owner might put down a dog, which makes it all the more disturbing.
I watched it last night and it was a very well done movie! Educational, emotional, and dense! Probably the best movie of the year!
*"Killing is subjective."*
-Bilbo Baggins
It's an ADULT movie zone here. Go with your fantasy fairy tales BS some place else, boy 👋😇
Hello there! Good to see you here
@@ramert32 Ahoy :)
killing is evil..ask God
We need to bring back intermissions for movie theaters, it's getting ridiculous that we still don't have those.
The audiobook for this novel is amazing
How the FUCK did this not get AWESOMETACULAR??????
This movie is very topically considering the state of the world at the moment and land being stolen by settlers.
You are settler. Let us know when you give your home and stuff up so we know you mean what you say.
@@GabrielMartinez-sd8pcnatives are also settlers, they werent born here lmao
I think Ernest thought he was only making her sleepy and not actually poisoning her. His love to his family is the only thing that trumped over his naivety and his greed from what I gathered.
I honestly thought that this movie was gross. Why make a film about the Osage Indians and then make them background characters in their own story?
YES. I was glad to hear how much Scorsese consulted with the Osage, and hired them on this film, but while watching the film, I got more and more frustrated as it seemed to me that the Native actors mostly came off as props for Leonardo DiCaprio and Robert De Niro to emote over, through no fault of the powerful Native actors! 😝
I new the basic story, now I understand the how and the why. I started really looking into the story. So sad.
Was frankly disappointed that they focused on the villains, and less on the actual Osage tribal members. Lily Gladstone was by far the best character and actor as Molly.
I’m surprise people actually liked this movie
Deniro was the standout of the film to me. Seem he was playing the same character from Goodfellas
Bill The Butcher from Gangs of New York was Scorsese’s best villain.
Damn after all that , i was expecting him to give it a awesometacular.
I guess Oppenheimer still holds that spot this year
'Killers of the Flower Moon' is a cinematic masterpiece, featuring transformative performances from Leonardo DiCaprio and Robert De Niro. The entire cast delivers outstanding acting, making this true story adaptation Oscar-worthy. The film's historical accuracy and attention to detail immerse the audience in a gripping narrative. It sheds light on a dark chapter in American history, offering a thought-provoking exploration of greed and power. Martin Scorsese's direction elevates this film to a must-see cinematic experience
I’d be curious of Jeremy’s opinions and possibly rankings of Martin Scorsese’s older films. Especially ; Taxi Driver, Bringing Out the Dead, and Good Fellas.
Finally a real movie. I'll be going to the cinema for this