I have shared your experience, Rick. I store my LPs vertically in protective sleeves and closely "packed" together loosely in archival storage boxes. I keep the archival boxes in a cold, dark (and dry) room. I was surprised that a once-unplayable warped record became flat. I'll continue to keep my LPs stored in this fashion because it helps.
Similar situation here, former unplayable vinyls from my parents turned absolutely flat after being stored over years and years in a box. Just amazing and it's giving me hope for the warped one I just got and the ones I might get in future :)
I have had plenty of slightly warped and dished records flatten just by storing vertically with other records on the shelf. Your correct about the pressure.
Hey Rick my man! What's up! My experience with warped records is that it takes a very long time for a record to de-warp itself. It has to be compressed between other lp's for months before it straightened itself out. I'm a fairly busy old Black man (63 and still working) 😊 who does not have time for this. I want to spin the black and silver disk maaan!, especially if it is a favorite. So I'm considering buying one of the various disk flattening systems that are available. I just have to decide which one so I can stay rotating Bro!😁
I have work with all the flatteners and break them down on my channel. The orb is by far the best if you can afford it. It’s easy, it works beautifully and is way more consistent than the others. I really liked the pi for a while, but I think my heat bag has developed a hot spot and I rarely use it now. The vinyl flat….meh.
The only explantion has to be the vertical tight storage. I've never encountered this phenomenon but if I do now I know how to possibly fix a warp. Thanks for sharing.
Let me know know if it works. I am pretty sure it was a couple months ago this between listens when I noticed the change. Needless to say I was unexpectedly surprised 😲
It's happened to several of my records over the years, like you i did nothing and just left them sit on the shelve. I feel like with yours the pressure over time helped flattened them back out.
I bought a couple of new records which arrived warped. The supplier replaced them without asking for a return so I placed the warped records flat under a stack of 100 records and forgot about them for over a year. The warp is now almost unnoticeable and they play fine. No heat required.
I stored my entire record collection for over a decade, virtically, in 12.25" x 12.25" by 16" moving boxes, stacked vertically and tightly packed. But here is the interesting part. They were in a non-climate controlled uninsulated shed and saw temperatures up to 110 degrees down to about 5 degrees. And summers here in central kentucky are VERY humid. I moved here from Seattle 13 years ago. The humidity took some getting used to. But here's the thing: When I finally took them out they were all in excellent condition. And as you noticed, no warps. I confess there were a couple of minor mold spots, but they cleaned up very easy. This included about 3,500 records, btw. Interesting side note: I also had a few hundred cassette tapes. They were in several boxes and I stored them in the house because, well, I couldn't pack them tightly. They are loose in the case. Except I accidentally allowed one box to find its way into the barn. When I discovered it I brought it into the house. The tapes are downright furry with mold. All ruined. I suppose that if they were important I could run each tape through a soft rag or something to clean them, but none of them are worth the trouble. I got almost all of them free at estate sales in Seattle, so no big loss.
That's amazing about those records. I lived in South Carolina for 13 years and would have never dreamed of doing what you did lol! As delicate of a medium as records seem to be, it appears they are stronger than we all realize! 😁
Hmm, interesting. 🤔 I bought Chilliwack's 1976 LP Dreams, Dreams, Dreams back in the 80s and the beginning of the LP has a nice enough dip that it would skip. About 6 years ago when I digitized my collection it actually played through. The dip was still there, but upgrading from my POS Audio-Technica AT-LP120 to my Rega Planar 2 with my Ortofon MC-3 Turbo cart it played straight through with no issues. It's the only LP that has a bad enough warp to cause any issues. I guess if you just by chance had your room warm enough and with your collection pressed together tight enough I could see them healing themselves. 🤨🤨
Chilliwack - now that's a band I haven't thought about for years. I remember when "My Girl (Gone Gone Gone)" was first released. I loved that song. I'm pretty sure it was also one of the only 45s I ever bought back then (I wonder what happened to it!).
I agree that the 120 was a POS, the tonearm curve wasn't as acute as the 1200, I bought a MK4 that had a noisy transformer and hum can be heard on the quiet grooves. I also bought a 140XP with a noisy transformer, I swapped out the noisy TF for a toroid type and the audio ground was mains earthed, not good if your amp is also mains earthed with ground lead on, I separated the audio from mains ground so there's no hum loop with ground lead on. Now my 140 performs as well as the MK4
Greetings, thanks for bringing that up. warping is a serious problem in the vinyl collecting community and I'm surprised I don't hear collectors complaining enough about it; right now I'm more into going to used record stores and buying old used records that I can inspect in the store before I pay for them. I have purchased expensive box sets(Fantomas: Wunderkammer is one of them) that I had to return because all records were badly warped, not even 1 was in a decent shape. recently I purchased the Ramones's Leave Home deluxe edition which contains a vinyl and the record is badly warped, I decided to keep it because everything else(3 cds and a giant booklet) are flawless and trying to exchange it for the same product is very likely I'll receive another warped record. It's like you said, I've noticed that some of my warped records are less warped now than when I bought them. Now I hope that the records of the Motley Crue Shout at the devil's deluxe set that I pre-ordered will be flat. Thanks.
I too prefer to inspect records before purchasing. If not by me directly in a used record store, then by sellers on Discogs that I trust when buying unsealed, near mint records.
Yeah well... As of last week I have officially given up on records. MoFi Hotel California finally arrived into stock. Thank goodness I ordered it through a store and had the opportunity to open it before leaving the store. Needless to say, three had to be opened before we found one undamaged from the manufacturing. Of the four discs, one was warped, three were scratched and one was warped and scratched. Now I am in Australia and that album was $300. Over the past twelve months I have stupidly purchased twenty three albums or box sets; seventeen have had to be returned. I have purchased all the various TS 1989 LE variants from her store... I am absolutely sweating blood with anxiety that they'll arrive ok. I am seriously considering sending them all back to the states and having them graded and slabbed in the shrink and be done with it. Let them be someone else's problem. Sticking to CDs from now on... Rant over! Still love your videos though.
Sorry to hear all of that! While I haven't experienced it as often as you have, I have definitely seen an extreme lack of quality control in many pressing plants (mostly US). Not all have these issues but those that do are horrible. I recently purchased a newly pressed, sealed Neil Young record with obvious fingerprints on the record. There's really no excuse for that.
Very interesting. I just got my first warped record (Taylor's Version of Red E/F). That pressing came out of Germany and all four records have scuffs, etc brand new out of the packaging. I played E/F and it skipped only once. I do see the needle and arm going up and down (more than usual). Just wondering the safest way to fix a warp. I've heard between two books for a week but that worries me about possible damage to the grooves. It's disappointing with Taylor's records as it seems to be a premium package with lots of artwork and lyrics etc, but I've had better quality with my records that have a Walmart label slapped on them. Seriously, a few of the Zeppelin remasters I have from there are fantastic!
I got a 1985 LP online, originally wrapped in cellophane with the marketing stickers. It was not warped. A few months later it was very warped in one place at the outside edge. My block Koetsu Rosewood would drag but my Sumiko Blackbird open stylus would not. However, it would not stay on the surface. That was on the AuddioMods Series Six arm that replaced the dead sounding Rega arm on my RP8. The Rega arm would track it! Anyway, I just looked at the LP after seeing this video and it is flatter -- probably 5 or 6 years have passed. I didn't seriously consider the oven and glass fix, figuring it would distort the grooves. I figure internal forces in the vinyl warped it once confinement by the wrapper was released. I thought it needed annealing but didn't know a safe way to relieve the internal forces. I thought elevated room temperature could help. I didn't think forcing it flat would be good for the grooves either. So, I bought a CD replacement as hi-rez wasn't available then. It may play now without resorting to reinstalling the original Rega arm!
I had the same experience very recently. The record was a new sealed copy of Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots. I assume the warp was caused by the shrink wrap and, luckily, the vinyl was able to de-warp itself once the pressure was off.
I think it's possible what you're describing could happen. I purchased Steely Dan's Gaucho album a while back. When I got it out I noticed the edge of side A was turned up in one spot. It was weird looking. I decided to put it on and see if it would play okay. To my surprise it played flawlessly. Interestingly side B wasn't affected much by the way it was turned down on that side. It was weird watching the needle go up and down on side A through the first couple tracks. I played it recently and noticed that the warp, while still there, seemed much less prominent than before. I thought the same thing as you did. Maybe a few months sitting in my storage cabinet must have pressed it down.
Wow, i'm jealous, usually my flat records become warped (I store them absolutely upright, out of heat/sunlight, not leaning). I thought maybe the extreme dry weather may be a contributing factor. Not sure though.
Unexplained dewarping, sounds like a previously unknown phenomenon. Definitely supernatural in nature, lol! I did it! The Audio Technica should be here tomorrow and looking forward to finding a good copy of The Best of Bread or/and Jim Croce Photographs and Memories at the vinyl expo this Saturday. Even got my wife a little excited with the thought of her finding some Karen Carpenter :-) Too funny, you wouldn’t think that we were 49 and 44 respectively, lol! Just love the good stuff and that time frame between the late 50s and early 80s was the best of the best. :-)
Exciting week for you! Croce's Photographs and Memories is such a good album. Whenever I hear Karen Carpenter's name it still breaks my heart. What a voice and what a loss.
Very possible that standing up and being tightly pressured could help a warp. Factory 'sealed' records can also be warped from the shrink/temperatures as well. I've posted the fix for warped records before... a relatively safe process, but I have nothing to prove in arguing about it because it has worked for me. I can't say I ever noticed stacking upright under some pressure long-term did anything, but it's entirely possible!
I think it has something to do with them being tightly packed. Not crazy tight, but still. For 3 records to lose the warp stunned me. Definitely not complaining !
I got The Man Who Sold The World By David Bowie back in the 70s On the RCA lable. it made from Dynoflex (I think that is what it was called). Dynoflex was supposed to be warp proof, or at least warp resistant... The record was so baddly warped That I had to get a second copy because my new player would not play it. I got the second one on the Murcery lable, it was as thick as a house brick and just as heavey but it never warped 🙂
I remember Dynoflex! And yes - they were touted as being warp resistant and less prone to static. Weird claims. I actually have a Dynoflex record. I can literally make it wobble between my hands. Plays great but certainly weird. I don't think Dynoflex lasted more than a couple of years.
A few years ago I bought a preowned copy of Robbie Roberson's Storyville online and it arrived warped. Quite stressful watching the extreme movement of the MC cartridge! I bought another copy but now I can't tell the two apart.
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords No doubt about it, a pleasant surprise as it was quite a while after the two had been packed tightly together that I found out. On an earlier occasion I'd paid a dealer to flatten a Zac Brown Band record on an Orb machine. Now seemingly I can do it for free!
I have had this happen to me. Records were initially flat when pressed. Maybe being out of the sealed plastic sleeve let the record regain its shape. Heat warps are not reversible as far as I know
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords I live in the Caribbean where there aren't a lot of records. I have to ship almost anything from the US etc. Coming from so far, quite a few come warped. It sucks
@@JasonHughes1988 Ugh - really sorry to hear that. I have been in touch with the folks at RecordPi about reviewing their product. Keep an eye out for it - I'm really hoping it lives up to expectations as I've heard good things about it,.
I think you have an minion coming out of your Turntable and straightening your records in the night while you sleep, but i dont😢. What kind of turntable do you have?? 😂
It must be a minion - you're right! I'll have to set up a camera to catch him or her. The turntable is a customized Thorens TD160 Super built by Dave at Vinyl Nirvana.
What really chaps my ass is a new record that is bowl shaped. I purchased a new copy of Deep Purple's BURN album recently. I played the 1st side without any issues. It was when I played side 2 that I noticed the problem. There was little to no bass on side 2. That's when I took a closer look at my TT and noticed that the entire edge of the record wasn't making contact with the platter at all.
@@TheJoyofVinylRecordsI was able to fix the DP album. I let it spin in the hot water of my Ultra Sonic cleaner @ 40 degrees C (without using the cleaner portion) for about 5 minutes. I then quickly wiped off the excess water with a clean cotton towel and then placed the record between 2 sheets of 1/4" thick glass. Once cooled I then placed it on my TT and it's perfectly flat again. The bass on side 2 also returned on playback. WIN WIN!!!
So a few weeks ago i bought a sealed 2013 double lp, 1st pressing of the album abominator by doyle, i wont be here if the record didn't come out warped, very sad because is one on my favorite to play i try to find many solutions and now the vinyl is in his protective sleeve (not the album cover) beetween two pieces of glass and it's been pressing for about 24h by some lf my most everier (but not too much eavy) of my comics and law books, i will update after a week of pressing, let me know if any of you have any tips
Ugh - that's awful. That's probably the best thing you can do at this point (aside from things like the Record Pi - which I still want to test someday). Keep me posted.
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords im back but unfortunatly this morning when i went to check if the vinyl got any better it was still badly warped... nothing changed, my second strategy now on will be to put the vinyl between the two pieces of glass but i will leave it expose to the sun for about 40 minutes... mabey, of course i will be supervising the process to avoid melting the disc, WILL KEEP YOU UPDATED!
I just got into Vinyl again, all the used ones I have bought are decent. The new ones, terrible warps, only 2 but for $50 CND, come on. Amazon, they are crap, learning that fast.
@2:15 "You know my feelings about 180 gram vinyl." @2:21 "I have yet to encounter one that sounded better than the original. Maybe I just haven't encountered the right one -- maybe." And you probably never will. Heavy vinyl is a marketing gimmick. I used to purchase them, and learned via my wallet that I was getting shafted. Unless a reputable source recommends a heavy vinyl title, I will never purchase one again. I used to purchase White Hot Stampers from Better Records, when I could afford their records. Their site's commentary had nothing good to say about heavy vinyl. It was a long time ago, but as best I could remember, they decried the sound quality of heavy vinyl. And I trust the owner's (Tom Port) ear. A White Hot Stamper will likely do more for a quality stereo than an expensive component upgrade. @3:17 "And I have another cabinet that holds the overflow. That's in another part of the house. And even that one's busting at the seams." Rick, when was the last time you played a record from your overflow storage cabinet? If the answer is years ago, or never, then do not hold on to a problem that need not exist. Perhaps some of those overflow albums have sentimental value. But the rest? Free up that space, and bask in the freed up room you will have -- and no more worrying about being out of space.
Agreed on the 180. They feel good to hold but they offer nothing in improved sound. Sound quality has nothing to do with thickness and everything to do with the pressing process. I'd love to free up that space - as I mentioned in the last video - the Blob grows!
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords I forgot to mention that heavy vinyl throws off your vertical tracking alignment. It is only a slight difference. But it matters. On a highly resolving system, you can hear the differences with every vector change that your stylus encounters.
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords Quoting myself, from above: "I used to purchase White Hot Stampers from Better Records, when I could afford their records." Rick, have you considered trying out one of their White Hot Stampers? If yes, please read their commentary on that specific pressing, before making the purchase. They will point out details, such as a particular song not sounding as good as the others on the same side (often a loused up studio job for a particular song makes it on to the the same pressing's side as the other great sounding songs). Or perhaps a title is the best that they have heard, but still has an issue with sibilance or a click for 30 seconds or something else. Grab a white hot stamper of a title where they bestow nothing but praise. Nearly all of my best sounding vinyl comes from them (from the time when I was employed and could afford their records). And back then their prices were much lower (because vinyl, in general, was not as expensive). They buy lots of rejects, which is factored in to the price of the winner that makes it on to their site. Anyway, all of the equipment upgrades in the world will not help a typical pressing to sound any better. But play a really good white hot stamper, and your stereo will sing like never before.
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords "I actually have their linked save. - I think because you mentioned them before. I haven't yet bought from them but hope to." Re: Better Records Still on your radar?
Did you recently replace the dilithium crystals in your warp core? Sometimes your core will inadvertently warp space within just a few feet of the matrix and in the case of your record, will have returned it to the previous state in which it was flat. Oh......wait......your listening room isn't equipped with a......ah, never mind. Just forget what I said. Of COURSE you don't have a warp core....silly me!
This has to be one of my favorite comments of all time. I do have to admit to having a warp core. I just don't like to advertise that fact due to Federation rules. Keep it between us ok?
Oh, sorry, I forgot they might have Federation security agents vacationing around here. But, remember, ya want a great deal on dilithium crystals, I know a guy! Live long and prosper!@@TheJoyofVinylRecords
I have shared your experience, Rick. I store my LPs vertically in protective sleeves and closely "packed" together loosely in archival storage boxes. I keep the archival boxes in a cold, dark (and dry) room. I was surprised that a once-unplayable warped record became flat.
I'll continue to keep my LPs stored in this fashion because it helps.
Finally - another person who had the same thing happen!
Similar situation here, former unplayable vinyls from my parents turned absolutely flat after being stored over years and years in a box. Just amazing and it's giving me hope for the warped one I just got and the ones I might get in future :)
I have had plenty of slightly warped and dished records flatten just by storing vertically with other records on the shelf. Your correct about the pressure.
And here I thought I might be losing it 😱. Thanks @mischief33 !
Hey Rick my man! What's up! My experience with warped records is that it takes a very long time for a record to de-warp itself. It has to be compressed between other lp's for months before it straightened itself out. I'm a fairly busy old Black man (63 and still working) 😊 who does not have time for this. I want to spin the black and silver disk maaan!, especially if it is a favorite. So I'm considering buying one of the various disk flattening systems that are available. I just have to decide which one so I can stay rotating Bro!😁
Hey William! If you do spring for one of those systems I'd love to get your impressions of it. Let me know!
I have work with all the flatteners and break them down on my channel. The orb is by far the best if you can afford it. It’s easy, it works beautifully and is way more consistent than the others. I really liked the pi for a while, but I think my heat bag has developed a hot spot and I rarely use it now. The vinyl flat….meh.
The only explantion has to be the vertical tight storage. I've never encountered this phenomenon but if I do now I know how to possibly fix a warp. Thanks for sharing.
Welcome! If you do try it let me know .
That is really quite something, Will certainly try this out. I have a few warped lps so here's hoping it will work.
Let me know know if it works. I am pretty sure it was a couple months ago this between listens when I noticed the change. Needless to say I was unexpectedly surprised 😲
It's happened to several of my records over the years, like you i did nothing and just left them sit on the shelve. I feel like with yours the pressure over time helped flattened them back out.
Must be - it was a pleasant surprise!
I bought a couple of new records which arrived warped. The supplier replaced them without asking for a return so I placed the warped records flat under a stack of 100 records and forgot about them for over a year. The warp is now almost unnoticeable and they play fine. No heat required.
Perfect! It's all about constant pressure it seems.
I stored my entire record collection for over a decade, virtically, in 12.25" x 12.25" by 16" moving boxes, stacked vertically and tightly packed. But here is the interesting part. They were in a non-climate controlled uninsulated shed and saw temperatures up to 110 degrees down to about 5 degrees. And summers here in central kentucky are VERY humid. I moved here from Seattle 13 years ago. The humidity took some getting used to.
But here's the thing: When I finally took them out they were all in excellent condition. And as you noticed, no warps. I confess there were a couple of minor mold spots, but they cleaned up very easy. This included about 3,500 records, btw.
Interesting side note: I also had a few hundred cassette tapes. They were in several boxes and I stored them in the house because, well, I couldn't pack them tightly. They are loose in the case. Except I accidentally allowed one box to find its way into the barn. When I discovered it I brought it into the house. The tapes are downright furry with mold. All ruined. I suppose that if they were important I could run each tape through a soft rag or something to clean them, but none of them are worth the trouble. I got almost all of them free at estate sales in Seattle, so no big loss.
They survived the shed 🍺🍺🍺
That's amazing about those records. I lived in South Carolina for 13 years and would have never dreamed of doing what you did lol! As delicate of a medium as records seem to be, it appears they are stronger than we all realize! 😁
Hmm, interesting. 🤔 I bought Chilliwack's 1976 LP Dreams, Dreams, Dreams back in the 80s and the beginning of the LP has a nice enough dip that it would skip. About 6 years ago when I digitized my collection it actually played through. The dip was still there, but upgrading from my POS Audio-Technica AT-LP120 to my Rega Planar 2 with my Ortofon MC-3 Turbo cart it played straight through with no issues. It's the only LP that has a bad enough warp to cause any issues. I guess if you just by chance had your room warm enough and with your collection pressed together tight enough I could see them healing themselves. 🤨🤨
Chilliwack - now that's a band I haven't thought about for years. I remember when "My Girl (Gone Gone Gone)" was first released. I loved that song. I'm pretty sure it was also one of the only 45s I ever bought back then (I wonder what happened to it!).
I agree that the 120 was a POS, the tonearm curve wasn't as acute as the 1200, I bought a MK4 that had a noisy transformer and hum can be heard on the quiet grooves. I also bought a 140XP with a noisy transformer, I swapped out the noisy TF for a toroid type and the audio ground was mains earthed, not good if your amp is also mains earthed with ground lead on, I separated the audio from mains ground so there's no hum loop with ground lead on. Now my 140 performs as well as the MK4
Greetings, thanks for bringing that up. warping is a serious problem in the vinyl collecting community and I'm surprised I don't hear collectors complaining enough about it; right now I'm more into going to used record stores and buying old used records that I can inspect in the store before I pay for them. I have purchased expensive box sets(Fantomas: Wunderkammer is one of them) that I had to return because all records were badly warped, not even 1 was in a decent shape. recently I purchased the Ramones's Leave Home deluxe edition which contains a vinyl and the record is badly warped, I decided to keep it because everything else(3 cds and a giant booklet) are flawless and trying to exchange it for the same product is very likely I'll receive another warped record. It's like you said, I've noticed that some of my warped records are less warped now than when I bought them. Now I hope that the records of the Motley Crue Shout at the devil's deluxe set that I pre-ordered will be flat. Thanks.
I too prefer to inspect records before purchasing. If not by me directly in a used record store, then by sellers on Discogs that I trust when buying unsealed, near mint records.
Yeah well... As of last week I have officially given up on records. MoFi Hotel California finally arrived into stock. Thank goodness I ordered it through a store and had the opportunity to open it before leaving the store. Needless to say, three had to be opened before we found one undamaged from the manufacturing. Of the four discs, one was warped, three were scratched and one was warped and scratched. Now I am in Australia and that album was $300.
Over the past twelve months I have stupidly purchased twenty three albums or box sets; seventeen have had to be returned.
I have purchased all the various TS 1989 LE variants from her store... I am absolutely sweating blood with anxiety that they'll arrive ok. I am seriously considering sending them all back to the states and having them graded and slabbed in the shrink and be done with it. Let them be someone else's problem.
Sticking to CDs from now on...
Rant over!
Still love your videos though.
Sorry to hear all of that! While I haven't experienced it as often as you have, I have definitely seen an extreme lack of quality control in many pressing plants (mostly US). Not all have these issues but those that do are horrible. I recently purchased a newly pressed, sealed Neil Young record with obvious fingerprints on the record. There's really no excuse for that.
Very interesting. I just got my first warped record (Taylor's Version of Red E/F). That pressing came out of Germany and all four records have scuffs, etc brand new out of the packaging. I played E/F and it skipped only once. I do see the needle and arm going up and down (more than usual). Just wondering the safest way to fix a warp. I've heard between two books for a week but that worries me about possible damage to the grooves.
It's disappointing with Taylor's records as it seems to be a premium package with lots of artwork and lyrics etc, but I've had better quality with my records that have a Walmart label slapped on them. Seriously, a few of the Zeppelin remasters I have from there are fantastic!
I got a 1985 LP online, originally wrapped in cellophane with the marketing stickers. It was not warped. A few months later it was very warped in one place at the outside edge. My block Koetsu Rosewood would drag but my Sumiko Blackbird open stylus would not. However, it would not stay on the surface. That was on the AuddioMods Series Six arm that replaced the dead sounding Rega arm on my RP8. The Rega arm would track it!
Anyway, I just looked at the LP after seeing this video and it is flatter -- probably 5 or 6 years have passed. I didn't seriously consider the oven and glass fix, figuring it would distort the grooves.
I figure internal forces in the vinyl warped it once confinement by the wrapper was released. I thought it needed annealing but didn't know a safe way to relieve the internal forces. I thought elevated room temperature could help. I didn't think forcing it flat would be good for the grooves either.
So, I bought a CD replacement as hi-rez wasn't available then.
It may play now without resorting to reinstalling the original Rega arm!
That resonates here Steven. Cheers!
When your 2 records were stored away. Was the vinyl outside the cover in a sleeve or inside the cover? Just curious to know. Cause I’m gonna try this.
Hi Jason - they were inside the cover (all of mine are).
I had the same experience very recently. The record was a new sealed copy of Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots. I assume the warp was caused by the shrink wrap and, luckily, the vinyl was able to de-warp itself once the pressure was off.
I bet that's exactly what happened. Shrink wrap can be an enemy.
I think it's possible what you're describing could happen. I purchased Steely Dan's Gaucho album a while back. When I got it out I noticed the edge of side A was turned up in one spot. It was weird looking. I decided to put it on and see if it would play okay. To my surprise it played flawlessly. Interestingly side B wasn't affected much by the way it was turned down on that side. It was weird watching the needle go up and down on side A through the first couple tracks. I played it recently and noticed that the warp, while still there, seemed much less prominent than before. I thought the same thing as you did. Maybe a few months sitting in my storage cabinet must have pressed it down.
Glad to know I'm not alone in seeing something like this, Neil. I was surprised but happily so. 😂
Wow, i'm jealous, usually my flat records become warped (I store them absolutely upright, out of heat/sunlight, not leaning). I thought maybe the extreme dry weather may be a contributing factor. Not sure though.
Hey Tim - yeah - that's odd. I wouldn't think dry weather would do it, but if you're experiencing that there's got to be something odd going on.,
Unexplained dewarping, sounds like a previously unknown phenomenon. Definitely supernatural in nature, lol!
I did it! The Audio Technica should be here tomorrow and looking forward to finding a good copy of The Best of Bread or/and Jim Croce Photographs and Memories at the vinyl expo this Saturday. Even got my wife a little excited with the thought of her finding some Karen Carpenter :-)
Too funny, you wouldn’t think that we were 49 and 44 respectively, lol! Just love the good stuff and that time frame between the late 50s and early 80s was the best of the best. :-)
Exciting week for you! Croce's Photographs and Memories is such a good album. Whenever I hear Karen Carpenter's name it still breaks my heart. What a voice and what a loss.
Very possible that standing up and being tightly pressured could help a warp. Factory 'sealed' records can also be warped from the shrink/temperatures as well. I've posted the fix for warped records before... a relatively safe process, but I have nothing to prove in arguing about it because it has worked for me. I can't say I ever noticed stacking upright under some pressure long-term did anything, but it's entirely possible!
I think it has something to do with them being tightly packed. Not crazy tight, but still. For 3 records to lose the warp stunned me. Definitely not complaining !
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords Probably temperature and humidity also play a part in that. Whatever works, right?!
Most likely, although the temp in that room never hovers above 70. @@TheReal1953
Interesting. Great video
Just wondering is it ok if i still play a warped record just bought one and its just slightly warped that there’s barely a gap
Hey there, Lemon. It is. Slight warps are ok if barely a gap as you described.
I got The Man Who Sold The World By David Bowie back in the 70s On the RCA lable. it made from Dynoflex (I think that is what it was called). Dynoflex was supposed to be warp proof, or at least warp resistant... The record was so baddly warped That I had to get a second copy because my new player would not play it. I got the second one on the Murcery lable, it was as thick as a house brick and just as heavey but it never warped 🙂
I remember Dynoflex! And yes - they were touted as being warp resistant and less prone to static. Weird claims. I actually have a Dynoflex record. I can literally make it wobble between my hands. Plays great but certainly weird. I don't think Dynoflex lasted more than a couple of years.
A few years ago I bought a preowned copy of Robbie Roberson's Storyville online and it arrived warped. Quite stressful watching the extreme movement of the MC cartridge! I bought another copy but now I can't tell the two apart.
Do you also think it un-warped by being pressed tightly together in storage?
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords No doubt about it, a pleasant surprise as it was quite a while after the two had been packed tightly together that I found out. On an earlier occasion I'd paid a dealer to flatten a Zac Brown Band record on an Orb machine. Now seemingly I can do it for free!
I have had this happen to me. Records were initially flat when pressed. Maybe being out of the sealed plastic sleeve let the record regain its shape. Heat warps are not reversible as far as I know
Your guess is as good of mine, Ian. I'm still stumped 😂
Question is, how long (on average) were the records stored and compressed for?
It's hard to say exactly because I wasn't expecting it - but if I were to hazard a guess, I'd say 4 months?
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords I live in the Caribbean where there aren't a lot of records. I have to ship almost anything from the US etc. Coming from so far, quite a few come warped. It sucks
@@JasonHughes1988 Ugh - really sorry to hear that. I have been in touch with the folks at RecordPi about reviewing their product. Keep an eye out for it - I'm really hoping it lives up to expectations as I've heard good things about it,.
I think you have an minion coming out of your Turntable and straightening your records in the night while you sleep, but i dont😢. What kind of turntable do you have?? 😂
It must be a minion - you're right! I'll have to set up a camera to catch him or her.
The turntable is a customized Thorens TD160 Super built by Dave at Vinyl Nirvana.
What really chaps my ass is a new record that is bowl shaped. I purchased a new copy of Deep Purple's BURN album recently. I played the 1st side without any issues. It was when I played side 2 that I noticed the problem. There was little to no bass on side 2. That's when I took a closer look at my TT and noticed that the entire edge of the record wasn't making contact with the platter at all.
Ugh.. that's a nightmare, Ian. Great album, too.
@@TheJoyofVinylRecordsI was able to fix the DP album. I let it spin in the hot water of my Ultra Sonic cleaner @ 40 degrees C (without using the cleaner portion) for about 5 minutes. I then quickly wiped off the excess water with a clean cotton towel and then placed the record between 2 sheets of 1/4" thick glass. Once cooled I then placed it on my TT and it's perfectly flat again. The bass on side 2 also returned on playback. WIN WIN!!!
Nice!!!! @@ianaintsaying1625
So a few weeks ago i bought a sealed 2013 double lp, 1st pressing of the album abominator by doyle, i wont be here if the record didn't come out warped, very sad because is one on my favorite to play i try to find many solutions and now the vinyl is in his protective sleeve (not the album cover) beetween two pieces of glass and it's been pressing for about 24h by some lf my most everier (but not too much eavy) of my comics and law books, i will update after a week of pressing, let me know if any of you have any tips
Ugh - that's awful. That's probably the best thing you can do at this point (aside from things like the Record Pi - which I still want to test someday). Keep me posted.
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords im back but unfortunatly this morning when i went to check if the vinyl got any better it was still badly warped... nothing changed, my second strategy now on will be to put the vinyl between the two pieces of glass but i will leave it expose to the sun for about 40 minutes... mabey, of course i will be supervising the process to avoid melting the disc, WILL KEEP YOU UPDATED!
@@bottle2164 Damn - I was hoping for good news. Thanks for letting me know! The experiment continues!
I just got into Vinyl again, all the used ones I have bought are decent. The new ones, terrible warps, only 2 but for $50 CND, come on. Amazon, they are crap, learning that fast.
There is a serious problem with quality control at some of the pressing plants currently in operation.
@2:15 "You know my feelings about 180 gram vinyl."
@2:21 "I have yet to encounter one that sounded better than the original. Maybe I just haven't encountered the right one -- maybe."
And you probably never will.
Heavy vinyl is a marketing gimmick.
I used to purchase them, and learned via my wallet that I was getting shafted.
Unless a reputable source recommends a heavy vinyl title, I will never purchase one again.
I used to purchase White Hot Stampers from Better Records, when I could afford their records.
Their site's commentary had nothing good to say about heavy vinyl. It was a long time ago, but as best I could remember, they decried the sound quality of heavy vinyl.
And I trust the owner's (Tom Port) ear.
A White Hot Stamper will likely do more for a quality stereo than an expensive component upgrade.
@3:17 "And I have another cabinet that holds the overflow. That's in another part of the house. And even that one's busting at the seams."
Rick, when was the last time you played a record from your overflow storage cabinet?
If the answer is years ago, or never, then do not hold on to a problem that need not exist. Perhaps some of those overflow albums have sentimental value. But the rest?
Free up that space, and bask in the freed up room you will have -- and no more worrying about being out of space.
Agreed on the 180. They feel good to hold but they offer nothing in improved sound. Sound quality has nothing to do with thickness and everything to do with the pressing process.
I'd love to free up that space - as I mentioned in the last video - the Blob grows!
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords I forgot to mention that heavy vinyl throws off your vertical tracking alignment. It is only a slight difference. But it matters.
On a highly resolving system, you can hear the differences with every vector change that your stylus encounters.
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords Quoting myself, from above:
"I used to purchase White Hot Stampers from Better Records, when I could afford their records."
Rick, have you considered trying out one of their White Hot Stampers?
If yes, please read their commentary on that specific pressing, before making the purchase. They will point out details, such as a particular song not sounding as good as the others on the same side (often a loused up studio job for a particular song makes it on to the the same pressing's side as the other great sounding songs). Or perhaps a title is the best that they have heard, but still has an issue with sibilance or a click for 30 seconds or something else. Grab a white hot stamper of a title where they bestow nothing but praise.
Nearly all of my best sounding vinyl comes from them (from the time when I was employed and could afford their records). And back then their prices were much lower (because vinyl, in general, was not as expensive). They buy lots of rejects, which is factored in to the price of the winner that makes it on to their site.
Anyway, all of the equipment upgrades in the world will not help a typical pressing to sound any better. But play a really good white hot stamper, and your stereo will sing like never before.
@@NoEgg4u I actually have their linked save. - I think because you mentioned them before. I haven't yet bought from them but hope to.
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords "I actually have their linked save. - I think because you mentioned them before. I haven't yet bought from them but hope to."
Re: Better Records
Still on your radar?
Harry Tuttle, Vinyl Engineer fixed them.
Did you recently replace the dilithium crystals in your warp core? Sometimes your core will inadvertently warp space within just a few feet of the matrix and in the case of your record, will have returned it to the previous state in which it was flat. Oh......wait......your listening room isn't equipped with a......ah, never mind. Just forget what I said. Of COURSE you don't have a warp core....silly me!
This has to be one of my favorite comments of all time. I do have to admit to having a warp core. I just don't like to advertise that fact due to Federation rules. Keep it between us ok?
Oh, sorry, I forgot they might have Federation security agents vacationing around here. But, remember, ya want a great deal on dilithium crystals, I know a guy! Live long and prosper!@@TheJoyofVinylRecords
I like the amp
Thank you! I absolutely love it. It gets better all the time.