Honestly where do they get this information from that 70% of population relies on international food aid? That would imply countless of ships carrying millions of tons of imported grains arriving at ports annually but the only country NK imports from is China and it’s only in the few hundreds of thousands of tons annually that is 5% of their production
45:00. I checked the world population data, China, I dont think 30m just died bc of the great leap forward. China was so poor at that time, it was a combination of famine, poor health, and Mao’s policy. But famine is the number one.
Some very nice information, but others... like the income inequality is bad data as people receive services and things, including house, without money. So the little money they receive doesn't include the basics of life, that is guaranteed, and the money they receive is the "extras", so it will be quite different from their elites, but may mean way less difference when you compare to the other countries on the list, where the poor can live on the streets and barely have food, while the riches have yacht and things like that. And before saying anything, I'm not saying that is great for them, just that there are many times in this lecture where the analysis is too much on the west perspective rather than accepting that many aspects cannot be compared with straight data.
@@Elnidax while the original question is misleading, america did literally make the first nukes and enter the world into a new era of possible total annihilation
@@YellowSnow They were against the nazis and the Japanese of course they would work on a atomic bomb. 2 countries that were literally trying to conquer the planet, would you rather they built the first one? I’m sure they would be less lenient in its use saying they committed genocide over the course of the war
@@Elnidax I'd rather no one had made an atomic, world-ending bomb. The singular military usage of it, decimating a city full of civilians and leaving no significant impact on the war, does not justify its making. Not to mention we literally had Nazis in the States to assist making the nukes and tried to use the nukes to struggle the U.S.S.R. into submission before THEY obviously got nukes. The fact that mutually assure destruction is the only valuable military asset now just goes to show that perhaps world-ending bombs might have been an awful, terrible idea.
15:00 - I wouldn't call North Korean Logan Paul as a tourist. He came back to America alive, went to the US hospital for a treatment and then died. Usuaully the doctor is hold accountable, but American public is lied to, it's not the first case.
About the Zainichi Koreans who moved to North Korea, they might have done so voluntarily, but many where lured by North Korean propaganda, and later regretted having gone. 46:08
Hm. I was eager to here some contrarian thinking on DPRK but failed to see where most of the claims typed here as myths were actually proven to be myths.
This is an interesting lecture, but there is clearly some bias in how she is interpreting/describing the data. When talking average life expectancy, she says DPRK isn't so far off of China/Vietnam's 76 years, which is 4 more than DPRK -- but then in the next sentence says that Pakistan's 66 years is "much, much lower" when it's only 5 years difference. Being much more charitable with differences that support her views than go against. Still, very interesting to learn many of the things mentioned
well i don't think it works backwards. in that instance, the example of a 4 year difference, it really isn't too far off. but with the 66 year average, that is almost a full decade shorter than the top areas, and is considerably low on average for the world. i would say that the 66 year estimate is about doubly as much lower as the 71 yest estimate compared to the 75 year estimate. like for example, we're taking this from the perspective that 72.6 is a global average
@@YellowSnow if i consider my country expectancy is 83 years, 66 it's almost two decades of difference. In my country 66 is considered premature and relatively young. Even the pension age is 67, meaning 66 is still working age. So yeah, to me 5 years are a huge difference when it means you go well under 70.
So... a "democratic" Apartheid government like israel and it's made up "40 beheaded babies" and "mass r@pe" with 0 evidence is more believable, than a nation that had (and still is) victim of US Terrorism for Decades?
Indeed, if some people treat western sources as "Western propaganda", I don't see why not have the same behavior with the DPRK knowing the DPRK is also known for its propaganda.
38:36 "Literacy rates: well I don't know why North Korea is at 100% and South Korea and Japan are at 99%" Because you're taking propaganda stats at face value that's why...
There are a lot of reason,if to say they don't get stress and don't have to compete each other this thing is said by many so called defectors also , another reason is internal reason of SK and japan , many reason affect both the SK and japan in worst way ,so yeah the 100 % rate is correct
Socialism always results in a high literacy rate, whether we like it or not. I come from 1, and now live in one of the richest Western countries. Most of my contemporaries in this country are not better than me in regard to general knowledge.
This is very heavily biased. Most of the so-called advancements she refers to ONLY affect the 1% of the country, who live in the capital city. Go out to the provinces and see how the people live and dress.
They live and dress normally too just like Pyongyang. Stop coping (rejecting the harsh truth and adopting a less disturbing belief) Plenty of videos showing that
That's not at all wat was said... She actually said that the tourist organization wasn't trust worthy, and described things that these organizations get young kids in to do, but the main focus was on the questionable tourist organization not so much abt the drinking. I think she should've just left it at the questionable tourist organization
I as a Korean get irritated when I hear "Koreans still have resentment towards the US for dividing up the 38th without any votes or allowing them to have a voice in it etc.." Uhhhh our options werent that glorious. Did you forget who lead the worlds those days? the awsome moral and ethical leaders just to refresh peoples memories were people like....Hitler, Stalin, Mao. Pol Pottsm Mussolini etc.....those are what I call "bullets we dodged"...uhh we just came out of an annexed situation with Japan that one could nickname the "absolutely
Bullets dodged with people like Rhee Seungman who also committed mass murder of his own people and has political opponents like Kim Ku and Yeo Woo-hyun assassinated? Bro this is a fallacy because democracy only came to South Korea in the late 80s, and it only became a truly free society in the early 90s
Yeah and what did the US offer instead? Synghman Rhee, Suharto in Indonesia, Pinochet in Chile, not to mention the countless civil wars that US intervention has triggered... the list goes on and on and on
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Honestly where do they get this information from that 70% of population relies on international food aid?
That would imply countless of ships carrying millions of tons of imported grains arriving at ports annually but the only country NK imports from is China and it’s only in the few hundreds of thousands of tons annually that is 5% of their production
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45:00. I checked the world population data, China, I dont think 30m just died bc of the great leap forward. China was so poor at that time, it was a combination of famine, poor health, and Mao’s policy. But famine is the number one.
Some very nice information, but others... like the income inequality is bad data as people receive services and things, including house, without money. So the little money they receive doesn't include the basics of life, that is guaranteed, and the money they receive is the "extras", so it will be quite different from their elites, but may mean way less difference when you compare to the other countries on the list, where the poor can live on the streets and barely have food, while the riches have yacht and things like that.
And before saying anything, I'm not saying that is great for them, just that there are many times in this lecture where the analysis is too much on the west perspective rather than accepting that many aspects cannot be compared with straight data.
So why is it okay for us (the US) to have all the nukes?
What about Russia’s and Chinas Nukes
@@Elnidax while the original question is misleading, america did literally make the first nukes and enter the world into a new era of possible total annihilation
@@YellowSnow They were against the nazis and the Japanese of course they would work on a atomic bomb. 2 countries that were literally trying to conquer the planet, would you rather they built the first one? I’m sure they would be less lenient in its use saying they committed genocide over the course of the war
@@Elnidax I'd rather no one had made an atomic, world-ending bomb. The singular military usage of it, decimating a city full of civilians and leaving no significant impact on the war, does not justify its making. Not to mention we literally had Nazis in the States to assist making the nukes and tried to use the nukes to struggle the U.S.S.R. into submission before THEY obviously got nukes. The fact that mutually assure destruction is the only valuable military asset now just goes to show that perhaps world-ending bombs might have been an awful, terrible idea.
@@Elnidax While no one can turn back history, it's silly to say that the creation and use of the atom bomb was rational or realistic in any way.
Self reliance is the name of the game here.
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15:00 - I wouldn't call North Korean Logan Paul as a tourist. He came back to America alive, went to the US hospital for a treatment and then died. Usuaully the doctor is hold accountable, but American public is lied to, it's not the first case.
About the Zainichi Koreans who moved to North Korea, they might have done so voluntarily, but many where lured by North Korean propaganda, and later regretted having gone. 46:08
Life Expectancy, Child Mortality, GDP, Literacy and other comparisons would be more meaningful by including statistics for the USA.
idk how rejuvenating justifies assassinations but sure
Hm. I was eager to here some contrarian thinking on DPRK but failed to see where most of the claims typed here as myths were actually proven to be myths.
Myths such as?
Such as ?
dawg, she makes ACTUAL points! You can be ignorant all you like!
This is an interesting lecture, but there is clearly some bias in how she is interpreting/describing the data. When talking average life expectancy, she says DPRK isn't so far off of China/Vietnam's 76 years, which is 4 more than DPRK -- but then in the next sentence says that Pakistan's 66 years is "much, much lower" when it's only 5 years difference. Being much more charitable with differences that support her views than go against. Still, very interesting to learn many of the things mentioned
well i don't think it works backwards. in that instance, the example of a 4 year difference, it really isn't too far off. but with the 66 year average, that is almost a full decade shorter than the top areas, and is considerably low on average for the world. i would say that the 66 year estimate is about doubly as much lower as the 71 yest estimate compared to the 75 year estimate. like for example, we're taking this from the perspective that 72.6 is a global average
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@@YellowSnow if i consider my country expectancy is 83 years, 66 it's almost two decades of difference. In my country 66 is considered premature and relatively young. Even the pension age is 67, meaning 66 is still working age.
So yeah, to me 5 years are a huge difference when it means you go well under 70.
Amazin
Is she that gullible to believe the stats from the North Korean autocratic government?
So... a "democratic" Apartheid government like israel and it's made up "40 beheaded babies" and "mass r@pe" with 0 evidence is more believable, than a nation that had (and still is) victim of US Terrorism for Decades?
its ok but theres no use taking nk propaganda as real data this is poop
Indeed, if some people treat western sources as "Western propaganda", I don't see why not have the same behavior with the DPRK knowing the DPRK is also known for its propaganda.
38:36 "Literacy rates: well I don't know why North Korea is at 100% and South Korea and Japan are at 99%"
Because you're taking propaganda stats at face value that's why...
The audacity of Americans to try and discredit an expert on a topic.
There are a lot of reason,if to say they don't get stress and don't have to compete each other this thing is said by many so called defectors also , another reason is internal reason of SK and japan , many reason affect both the SK and japan in worst way ,so yeah the 100 % rate is correct
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@@zachbershad7868 based
Socialism always results in a high literacy rate, whether we like it or not. I come from 1, and now live in one of the richest Western countries. Most of my contemporaries in this country are not better than me in regard to general knowledge.
This is very heavily biased.
Most of the so-called advancements she refers to ONLY affect the 1% of the country, who live in the capital city.
Go out to the provinces and see how the people live and dress.
They live and dress normally too just like Pyongyang. Stop coping (rejecting the harsh truth and adopting a less disturbing belief)
Plenty of videos showing that
@@_SteelRain Clearly an unbiased and reasonable poster lol
Oh this is the biggest lie ever- have to expose her for being a liar
do you have any evidence that it’s a lie?
@@notenoughmemes1847
Yea my brain... because I have one.
@@travisc5658 that’s not really concrete evidence but alright
@@travisc5658 What's the evidence that's she's lying? What is she lying about? God anti- North Korea people are insane.
>uses stats released by nk
>befriends elites from pyongyang
>anecdotes from the '50
"nk isn't that bad"
yk most north korean defectors approve of kim jong un?
there are north koreans who want to go back to north korea
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Isn't that wat every country does?
Lost me at "maybe that foreign college kid who was in a coma for two months before the authorities told anyone had it coming because he drank alcohol"
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That's not at all wat was said... She actually said that the tourist organization wasn't trust worthy, and described things that these organizations get young kids in to do, but the main focus was on the questionable tourist organization not so much abt the drinking. I think she should've just left it at the questionable tourist organization
She said a lot but you were looking for your daily dose of bs propaganda. 🤡
I as a Korean get irritated when I hear "Koreans still have resentment towards the US for dividing up the 38th without any votes or allowing them to have a voice in it etc.." Uhhhh our options werent that glorious. Did you forget who lead the worlds those days? the awsome moral and ethical leaders just to refresh peoples memories were people like....Hitler, Stalin, Mao. Pol Pottsm Mussolini etc.....those are what I call "bullets we dodged"...uhh we just came out of an annexed situation with Japan that one could nickname the "absolutely
Bullets dodged with people like Rhee Seungman who also committed mass murder of his own people and has political opponents like Kim Ku and Yeo Woo-hyun assassinated? Bro this is a fallacy because democracy only came to South Korea in the late 80s, and it only became a truly free society in the early 90s
Yeah and what did the US offer instead? Synghman Rhee, Suharto in Indonesia, Pinochet in Chile, not to mention the countless civil wars that US intervention has triggered... the list goes on and on and on
Stalin or Mao are my moral guides and you should read more what these people have written and not fall into the capitalist or revisinist propaganda
@@iroker Mao was a revisionist too though
Read Hoxha
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