I love that idea of the Waddle Dee that stole Kirby's cake being just a visualization of what Kirby thought took the cake, supporting his idea that Dedede was behind it. Great video! Do you think Dark Nebula and Morpho Knight have some relation? Morpho is stated to be a knight of the underworld and Dark Nebula is the ruler of it.
@@simonsepicgaming6901 I also think Necrodeus could be a resurrected form of Dark Nebula. The area he lives in is called Necro Nebula, essentially meaning dead Nebula. The eye in his mouth is very similar to Dark Nebula's, and Necrodeus is basically the god of death. A god of death is usually the ruler of the underworld as well.
Considering it's shown to be a waddle dee that stole the cake, and dedede does his usual throw-kirby-at-villain thing, I wonder if he had the dee steal the cake I order to bring kirby's attention to the squeaks before they got to dark nebula
Y'know I've once thought about a Squeak Squad show. It would follow Daroach and the Squeaks going to different parts of the Galaxy in search of treasure. There would be hijinx, lots of action, some wholesome moments with the team seeing each other like family. We could even see some Daroach's past with old treasures and ladies. I think it's a pretty cool idea.
I really like the Squeaks in Mass Attack and Smash. Letting Kirby find the medals fits well enough within their characters, and it lets them fill a friendly role! The Squeaks may not really be in Smash, but one has a great spirit and they also have a great theme I used frequently in custom stages.
Personally, I always viewed it as even though Kirby is about friendship, Kirby helping people to a fault - Kirby, Dedede, and Meta Knight all like to do their own thing in their way outside of that. Kirby has recurringly assumed that Dedede is up to something weird, in Adventure assuming Dedede was trying to stop Dream Land from having Dreams despite him insisting at the beginning and end of the game that the Star Rod should not be put back together (though he kept as to why to himself). And this game, attacking him because he assumed that Dedede is stealing food again. It is of note that the by the time of Star Allies the description plays the narrative how Dedede would never steal the food, to point where that of itself is intriguing. Which I interpret as Kirby not really seeing Dedede as a rival at this point. Speaking of Dedede in Adventure, he has frequently done things undercover with good intentions, like in the aforementioned game. Also, in Subspace Emissary (made by Sakurai himself), he joined Tabuu's army, learned that he was dangerous (through whatever means he keeps learning/obtaining stuff like that), had a tool to counter it made, and kidnapped people; initially coming off as an antagonist, but was actually trying to solve the problem in his own way. Meta Knight is basically known for being secretive and mysterious even in canon, just overall kinda keeps to himself. He has done this in basically every game he has been in where he isn't possessed. I don't think that "cockyness" or "self-centeredness" is really the word; neither of those words really fit or can describe them. But I feel like there's just kinda some similarness the 3 iconic Kirby characters have that someone can phrase better than I have. Does this make sense? Idk. Of course, Meta Knight's behavior in this game is probably just bad writing but this is just a way to justify it I came up with a few years ago. Edit: Also, something interesting about Dark Nebula, I can't remember where I saw it, but apparently it seems like it was going to create a black hole. Don't remember where it was implied though. I think the stage map after a point iirc?
@@Jann75 Meteorz mentioned that the Squeaks were either incompetent or cocky when they returned to the place they stole Dedede's chest from, and Clinton probably thought you misinterpreted that line when you mentioned cockiness in your comment,
Dedede was taking a bath in the fountain of dreams and taunted Kirby when he showed up and it was the second game in the series. Why wouldn't Kirby think Dedede was up to no good?
Cool, you talked about Squeak Squad's final boss, and Dark Nebula too. Meta Knight most likely sealed up the roaming Nebula and gave it to Dedede for safekeeping, given how he guarded more magic artifacts in the past for longer than Meta managed to do (whether intentional or not: Sparkling Star, Star Rod piece, Heart Star, Crystal Shard). So seeing that not work, Meta heads back into the fray to fix things. Daroach probably just saw the Chest as any treasure that would please him, demonic or not. Of course, he wasn't counting on possession, so in the future with Void, I bet he's helping just to keep the Jamba Hearts in check. Yeah, Daroach (or a Squeak, idk which one, maybe Spinni?) would be the one to nab Kirby's cake, hence why the Squeaks give him back one at the end as thanks for saving Daroach. Maybe even the original cake. It didn't help that they confused Kirby by holding both chests on them while they re-raided Castle Dedede.
1:07 I've never seen the presumed thief's sprite before, interesting! It could simply be because Waddle Dees are the standard enemies, but your explanation makes a lot of sense, too! 4:42 This is why I really should've played Mass Attack more than I did, maybe in the future?
Dark Nebula gets mocked too much when every other Kirby final boss could be just as Easy Dark Matter Swordsman dies from just flying up to it and mashing the B button since all of it’s attacks get reflected by the rainbow sword. Marx dies in a few Hammer Flips. Even faster if you have a partner Zero Two dies just from holding a direction on the D-pad and mashing Y. My point is that a lot of Kirby bosses aren’t that tough
I agree that a lot of the other final bosses are easy as well. However, Dark Nebula is still much less exciting imo because his design's a bit generic, and most of his attacks just consist of shooting stars or flying around in simplistic patterns. Marx may have been just as easy with something like Hammer, but his design, music, and attacks were all significantly more interesting.
Yes true, I wish dark nebula's fight had more to it tho, bit of downgrade from dark Daroach's fight. Mecha Kracko was the true final boss in difficulty haha.
I love the new Spanish captions, they even respect the official translation! Most of the time people just translate the video and leave all the English character names in.
As much of a not huge fan of Squeak Squad I am, Daroach and the Squeaks were the highlight of the game. They had neat designs, bumping music and it was fun fighting them for chests.
He meant they were like a family to him, not that they were literally his family, that would be weird -please dont woosh me if this turns out- -to be a joke im not getting-
Theory on Dark Nebula: He's actually some form of Dark Matter with gained sentience. This could explain why his battle strategy is identical to Miracle Matter's in terms of behavior, as well as the similar coloration of Dark Daroach and Dark Matter's first form. It is also theorized to be the blob of Dark Matter which attacked Iceberg way back in Kirby's Dream Land 3, which may explain why King Dedede had sealed it in a chest.
I had NO IDEA that the Squeek Squad showed up in Mass Attack. I thought they were _only_ in their debut game, and in Star Allies (aside from occasional background cameos here and there).
Kirby theory: Dedede tour can happen after the main story and before kirby planet robobot outside the sectinoia (or however you spell the name ) battle since the dreamstalk is still there and we see what caused what happened to her and the dream mirror
Problem: Sectonia disintegrated into flower petals. Furthered by Star Dream saying that flower petals were collected by Haltmann Robotics to make Sectonia Clone. Iirc she doesn't die like this in Dededetour.
I really like how you reasoned with the more confusing details in the story of Squeak Squad like the cake stealing (even if the Waddle Dee part was a bit reachy) and Dark Nebula being so weak because he imprisoned for so long as well as actively trying to get away from you (even if it still made for a trashy final battle). Even though I think the story is still a bit wonky and see no defending Meta Knight's decision to not just tell Kirby what's inside, I see a good portion of it in a sort of new light.
Dark Nebula being sealed in the chest was probably supposed to be a big secret. So of course Meta Knight wouldn't want to tell literally anybody. Having the ruler of the underworld in a chest that can just be opened isn't something you want people knowing about, even Kirby. Also Dark Nebula's fight is just fine, sure he could've done with a second phase or something, but his fight was still decent nonetheless. Dark Daroach could be considered his first phase honestly, it pretty much is.
@@chrange9714 Okay but still, Meta Knight has seen and heard of Kirby defeating ultimate evils before. He even gave Kirby Galaxia in the fight with Dark Mind. If he just told Kirby, he would back off and the treasure would be safe. He could've at least tried the easier option rather than fighting the guy he hasn't won against. Also, I would not like to think Dark Daroach is the first phase cause that would just make his "second phase" look even wimpier. And to me, he just doesn't feel like final boss material.
@@narxmagee727 Meta has only seen Kirby defeat a couple evils at this point, he doesn't 100% trust that Kirby can defeat every threat he comes across. We're dealing with the Ruler of the Underworld here. Meta knew how powerful Dark Nebula was and wasn't going to take any chances. He doubted even Kirby would be a match for him. All Dark Nebula needed was a second phase. The first fight with him would've made a good first phase. This is also Kirby we're talking about. Nothing's really gonna be hard.
@@chrange9714 If Meta Knight didn't trust Kirby 100%, he wouldn't have given him his prized possession to defeat Dark Mind who corrupted an entire separate dimension in the form of the Mirror World. Something like Dark Nebula shouldn't have him just scrambling to do everything except. It's kind of like Dedede in Adventure. If he had been upfront about what was going on with the Fountain of Dreams instead of swimming in it like a bath tub, maybe they could've come up with some kind of solution. And I'm not asking for the battle to be hard but more so for it to be interesting. Dark Nebula just wasn't interesting to me like other Kirby final bosses before and after.
@@narxmagee727 He didn't have a choice. Kirby was sucked into a vortex leaving Meta behind. He HAD to rely on Kirby there. Meta would've fought Dark Mind himself but Kirby was the only one sucked in. The least he could do was give Kirby his sword. He kind of had to. Kirby would've been pretty defenseless otherwise leading to the end of them both. Dark Nebula rules the underworld, if he escaped he could unleash it all on Kirby's world. He just as much of a threat as Dark Mind if not worse. And King Dedede did try to tell Kirby why he broke the Star Rod in Adventure's manual. Kirby wouldn't listen though, saying he wouldn't fall for another one of Dedede's tricks. Also don't see how Dark Nebula isn't interesting, but whatever.
Maybe people will disagree with me but I think that Squeak Squad is actually the second game in the Kirby timeline if we count all of the games from Super Star as one. Think about it, Kirby is immediately suspicious of Dedede when his cake is stolen but in later games in the timeline it’s shown that Dedede has reformed after the events of Dreamland 1/Spring Breeze. With any other time he’s fought Kirby willingly simply being due to them having a rivalry. This signals to me that this is one of the earlier games within the timeline. Dedede also doesn’t float in his fight in the game showing that maybe he hasn’t gone through his training to do that yet.
Fun detail I noticed: Dark Nebula and Hyness use the same sort of elemental attacks; ice, fire, and lightning. Dark Nebula is somewhat related to Dark Matter, while Hyness is someone who worships Dark Matter. Apologies if someone in the comments already pointed this out.
You know thinking about it in the Morpho Knight Battle If Played as Daroch the theme that plays is Here come the Squeaks instead Dark Nubelas theme probably implying that the are searching ancient Warriors like Galacta Knight or the Butterfly.
@@Meteorz Hey Meteorz, my friend John and I discovered that Meta Knight is actually Parallel Kirby or Shadow Kirby so pls can u make a video on it, My evidence for this: when meta Knight is unmasked, he looks EXACTLY like Shadow Kirby. The yellow feet and wings could be part of the disguise. It's unknown why he needs it but maybe Kirby knew that Meta Knight was just testing him, so he didn't fight as hard. So maybe Meta Knight removed his disguise and reveal himself as Shadow Kirby and Kirby thinks it's another person, so he fights harder.
@@atomicbomb7750 It's a really cool theory, but there are holes. 1) As of Triple Deluxe, Shadow Kirby has been completely redesigned. He doesn't look like Meta Knight at all anymore. 2) Didn't Shadow Kirby and Meta Knight both appear as separate characters in Amazing Mirror? 3) If Meta Knight is Shadow Kirby, what is Shadow Meta Knight? If Meta Knight is Parallel Kirby, what is Parallel Meta Knight? Can you even have a Parallel of a Parallel, or is that just the original? Just thinking about that hurts my brain.
3:32 But can we really say Dark Nebula boosted Daroach's powers that much, when he's able to use the upgraded attacks in Star Allies without being possessed?
There's a noticeable trend in many Kirby games where characters often keep some of the abilities they had when they were possessed (this seems to be a thing after the classic games, though). A couple of examples are Magolor and Meta Knight. It was suggested that the former, in a Switch News post, may have adopted some of his attacks (such as the Ultra Sword) from being taken over by the Master Crown. The latter can be seen using his shadow cloning and telekinetic abilities in Kirby Fighters 2, which came from him being possessed by the Dark Hearts in Star Allies.
Yeah, I think it's pretty on the mark to say that they just kept the abilities after possession. Plus if Daroah had these moves all along....wouldn't he just use them on Kirby.
@Sean Tong eh, I don't really like it. Like, yeah, he used to be goofy and innocent but his personality was already established in the other games and it annoys me that he kills multiple people just for a frickty fricking cake when he has saved the universe lot's of times before, then he just goes "oh no, my cake was stolen. Imma make Dedede suffer for this and, who knows, I might also release the ruler of the underworld too".
I found your channel 5 years ago because of the squeak squad playthrough and you videos have Been liking yer videos ever since - Gun slinging boy from New Jersey.
a big fan of the idea that dedede and meta knight worked together to seal dark nebula up in the first place what im thinking is since zero (and dark matter in general) was so fixed on corrupting popstar, maybe he made dark nebula to get ahold of one of the more powerful beings on popstar (meta knight and/or dedede) (since im also a fan of the theory of dark nebula being basically a dark copy ability that can give whoever he possesses a large amount of power), but they were able to get dark nebula in the chest before that happened and thats why meta knight knows about whats in the chest and why dedede has it without having already opened it and being possessed I was thinking maybe dark nebula existed a long time ago and tried possessing galacta knight (whos known as the strongest warrior in the galaxy) but the aeon heroes all stopped him and sealed him in the chest for all eternity, but then it doesn't make sense how dedede would know about it (unless meta knight told him beforehand, which why didn't he tell kirby in that case)
I would argue that dark nebula's use of elements further proves how weakened it was after being sealed. Daroach uses every element himself so it could be assumed that dark nebula was only using Daroach's power in the fight and had no real energy of its own.
yo meteorz. Question. Due to the fact that you mentioned that copy abilities could work off of memory as thats what kirby uses as his main source of power. How those the combined copy abilities from 64? could you do a "What is Kirby Canon?" of that?
I barely remember that "self-correction." Haha It does make you wonder why they renamed Dark Zero to Dark Nebula in the English version in the first place, though.
Ok so I have a theory for this franchise and it might sound wierd but it works for my mind- What if the 4 hero’s of yore were reborn or related to the main 4 characters (Kirby, Meta Knight, Dedede, and Bandana Waddle Dee)? I was thinking of reasons why Galacta Knight (the aeon hero) was so simaler to Meta Knight and this thought came across my mind and it seemed to fit. I want to know what you think of this so don’t be afraid to share your ideas!
“ DONT TOUCH THAT CHEST YOU RAT! “ MK “ NOPE IM OPENING IT AND YOU CANT STOP ME! “ Daroach “ Kirby imma yeet you at that rat, you ready buddy? “ dedede “ poyo! “ Kirby dedede gets Kirby at roach but misses and hits the chest, dark neb try’s to control Kirby but fails, so now dark neb is chasing roach, triple, and Kirby and MK is flapping above all of this “ there a bunch of bleep-heads. “ MK should I make more? Comment under this if I should! Bye!
@@castform7 it was from a false translation of the mass attack dialogue for him, either it was a mistranslation or some dumbo who wanted le female spinni to be a thing. but meteorz translated and looked for evidence himself and found nothing, so it was most definitely a hoax
@@Meteorz Ah yes, his soul form did have the electric lazers, and that flame ball also used by Sectonia soul... no other Ice attack tho... and those other two being elemental might also just be a councidence
True enough. Either way, the focus was more so on Dark Nebula anyway. Also, Void is a whole different subject who was never technically confirmed to be...anything.
@@Meteorz 4:26: Sadly, the Cake in "Kirby's Return" is not the same as the one from Squeak Squad. The Squeak Squad Cake, however, did become a 3D model in Star Allies, when you play as Daroach in "??? Star Allies Go!" and you can get that Cake from Daroach via the Cook Potluck and Supper Party.
Uhhh.....Meteor? About that cake in return to dreamland? Compare the cake's size in return to dreamland to the size of the on in squeak squad. Notice the difference in size? the one in return to Dreamland has big enough for Kirby to require both hands to hold it. The cake in Squeak Squad was small enough for just one hand. It's clear one in return to dreamland was another slice of a difference bigger cake, and kirby ate the one in squeak squad.
Its most definitely a diff cake id say, the ending cutscene shows him about to eat it, i doubt he didnt end up doing so like you said, besides, SA has both the rtdl cake and the squeak squad cake(you need to cook daroach) so if it was the same cake i would assume they wouldve used the rtdl cake when you cook daroach and not one that looks exactly like the squeak squad one
I thought there was a debate in the community about Spinni's gender due to it being undetermined. Yet, here, there's clear footage of him being referred to as "he". If the answer's that simple, why was this even a debate, then?
I mentioned this in the old video, but removed it from the new one, as a gender is a REALLY pointless thing to rant about. Basically, a lot of rumors started by saying "lt said (Thing) in the Japanese version!" Social media wasn't as huge then as it is now, so finding someone to fact check that was really hard unless you knew Japanese yourself. One of these rumors was that the Japanese Squeak Squad manual explicitly said Spinni was female (which was false) That being said, Spinni wasn't referred to as ANY gender, in the Japanese version of EITHER game.
@@Meteorz Well, it's a bit long. So, I had this old blog ( kirby.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Eficiente/Japanese_transcripts_from_guides,_books_%26_manga ) where I ideally wanted to put transcripts of Japanese-exclusive guides and books, but it didn't really worked out as expected. Scanning pages and making basic translations is incredibly easy, but there is no organization in the Kirby community to for people to share the contents of those guides and books. I find notable that we now have basically all light novels translated by fans, but would like to give a hand on making this canon content available for anyone who may want to look for it. As such, I had a bold idea that I considered worth proposing; Would you consider making yourself a Patreon on the purpose of A. being able to buy Japanese-exclusive guides and books and B. Keep yourself motivated, as the job would also come of having to upload their content on Imgur? Thinking about it, I took this as the fastest way in which the topic could be handled, if I also wouldn't have approached it the same way if there were more channels well known by the Kirby fandom. I also knew that you once uploaded the Kirby 20th Anniversary Encyclopedia in Imgur, so, idk, that's something. I would gladly scan the oncoming pages and make basic translations separately, and more importantly I believe it would lead to fans better organizing themselves on making their own better-made translations and transcripts in a more professional manner, as those are handled in other series.
I think the bigger issue is getting the stuff translated, I only know of like 2/3 people who have the capability of doing so, and having them translate all the materials themselves seems like a LOT of work to put on them. It's like those people who start a Kirby fangame, but literally have no skills outside of sprite work/planning, and hope everyone else can do the work for them...
Hey Meteorz, my friend John and I discovered that Meta Knight is actually Parallel Kirby or Shadow Kirby so pls can u make a video on it, My evidence for this: when meta Knight is unmasked, he looks EXACTLY like Shadow Kirby. The yellow feet and wings could be part of the disguise. It's unknown why he needs it but maybe Kirby knew that Meta Knight was just testing him, so he didn't fight as hard. So maybe Meta Knight removed his disguise and reveal himself as Shadow Kirby and Kirby thinks it's another person, so he fights harder.
I love that idea of the Waddle Dee that stole Kirby's cake being just a visualization of what Kirby thought took the cake, supporting his idea that Dedede was behind it. Great video! Do you think Dark Nebula and Morpho Knight have some relation? Morpho is stated to be a knight of the underworld and Dark Nebula is the ruler of it.
Makes sense
@@simonsepicgaming6901 I also think Necrodeus could be a resurrected form of Dark Nebula. The area he lives in is called Necro Nebula, essentially meaning dead Nebula. The eye in his mouth is very similar to Dark Nebula's, and Necrodeus is basically the god of death. A god of death is usually the ruler of the underworld as well.
One could describe Meta Knight as radically ambitious.
I don't think Daroach meant the Squeaks are an actual biological family, just that they were the closest thing he had to one
Well, yeah. That's what I meant by "like a family to him"
@@Meteorz You did? I was reading the subtitles and I guess it got mixed up a bit. Oops.
*Rechecks that part* Okay, I see, yeah I didn't word that like I think I did. Going off subtitles alone I can see where one could get confused...
Do we even know that the Squeak Squad stole the cake? For all we know, maybe it was just a random Waddle Dee who was never seen from again.
My personal favorite headcanon.
Seeing Meta Knight raising his ship from orange ocean is such cool bit of continuity, its things like this is why i love Kirby the series.
Considering it's shown to be a waddle dee that stole the cake, and dedede does his usual throw-kirby-at-villain thing, I wonder if he had the dee steal the cake I order to bring kirby's attention to the squeaks before they got to dark nebula
Y'know I've once thought about a Squeak Squad show. It would follow Daroach and the Squeaks going to different parts of the Galaxy in search of treasure. There would be hijinx, lots of action, some wholesome moments with the team seeing each other like family. We could even see some Daroach's past with old treasures and ladies. I think it's a pretty cool idea.
yessss omg
I really like the Squeaks in Mass Attack and Smash. Letting Kirby find the medals fits well enough within their characters, and it lets them fill a friendly role! The Squeaks may not really be in Smash, but one has a great spirit and they also have a great theme I used frequently in custom stages.
Personally, I always viewed it as even though Kirby is about friendship, Kirby helping people to a fault - Kirby, Dedede, and Meta Knight all like to do their own thing in their way outside of that.
Kirby has recurringly assumed that Dedede is up to something weird, in Adventure assuming Dedede was trying to stop Dream Land from having Dreams despite him insisting at the beginning and end of the game that the Star Rod should not be put back together (though he kept as to why to himself). And this game, attacking him because he assumed that Dedede is stealing food again. It is of note that the by the time of Star Allies the description plays the narrative how Dedede would never steal the food, to point where that of itself is intriguing. Which I interpret as Kirby not really seeing Dedede as a rival at this point.
Speaking of Dedede in Adventure, he has frequently done things undercover with good intentions, like in the aforementioned game. Also, in Subspace Emissary (made by Sakurai himself), he joined Tabuu's army, learned that he was dangerous (through whatever means he keeps learning/obtaining stuff like that), had a tool to counter it made, and kidnapped people; initially coming off as an antagonist, but was actually trying to solve the problem in his own way.
Meta Knight is basically known for being secretive and mysterious even in canon, just overall kinda keeps to himself. He has done this in basically every game he has been in where he isn't possessed. I don't think that "cockyness" or "self-centeredness" is really the word; neither of those words really fit or can describe them. But I feel like there's just kinda some similarness the 3 iconic Kirby characters have that someone can phrase better than I have. Does this make sense? Idk.
Of course, Meta Knight's behavior in this game is probably just bad writing but this is just a way to justify it I came up with a few years ago.
Edit:
Also, something interesting about Dark Nebula, I can't remember where I saw it, but apparently it seems like it was going to create a black hole. Don't remember where it was implied though. I think the stage map after a point iirc?
when he talks about cockiness he meant the squeaks
@@clintonbehrends4659 Eh?
@@Jann75 Meteorz mentioned that the Squeaks were either incompetent or cocky when they returned to the place they stole Dedede's chest from, and Clinton probably thought you misinterpreted that line when you mentioned cockiness in your comment,
Since when was Dedede part of Tabuu's army?
Dedede was taking a bath in the fountain of dreams and taunted Kirby when he showed up and it was the second game in the series. Why wouldn't Kirby think Dedede was up to no good?
I loved the way he talks about the Squeaks in Mass Attack, like the family stuff
It just shows Daroach can be just a nice guy
I love Kirby lore
I would like to see Daroach in a future mainline Kirby game and see his role is because he’s growing on me slowly.
I had something in mind.
Apparently the devs wanted too, as well.
@Sean Tong A friend of mine thought of that, so we gave him and the other squeaks the equivilant of a comic book origin story.
Honestly I just wish that they gave more characters supporting roles like they did daroach in mass attack
Dude I’m listening to the Kirby soundtrack, call me back later
Cool, you talked about Squeak Squad's final boss, and Dark Nebula too. Meta Knight most likely sealed up the roaming Nebula and gave it to Dedede for safekeeping, given how he guarded more magic artifacts in the past for longer than Meta managed to do (whether intentional or not: Sparkling Star, Star Rod piece, Heart Star, Crystal Shard). So seeing that not work, Meta heads back into the fray to fix things. Daroach probably just saw the Chest as any treasure that would please him, demonic or not. Of course, he wasn't counting on possession, so in the future with Void, I bet he's helping just to keep the Jamba Hearts in check. Yeah, Daroach (or a Squeak, idk which one, maybe Spinni?) would be the one to nab Kirby's cake, hence why the Squeaks give him back one at the end as thanks for saving Daroach. Maybe even the original cake. It didn't help that they confused Kirby by holding both chests on them while they re-raided Castle Dedede.
1:07 I've never seen the presumed thief's sprite before, interesting! It could simply be because Waddle Dees are the standard enemies, but your explanation makes a lot of sense, too!
4:42 This is why I really should've played Mass Attack more than I did, maybe in the future?
Dark Nebula gets mocked too much when every other Kirby final boss could be just as Easy
Dark Matter Swordsman dies from just flying up to it and mashing the B button since all of it’s attacks get reflected by the rainbow sword.
Marx dies in a few Hammer Flips. Even faster if you have a partner
Zero Two dies just from holding a direction on the D-pad and mashing Y.
My point is that a lot of Kirby bosses aren’t that tough
Dark Nebula actually gives me trouble sometimes
I agree that a lot of the other final bosses are easy as well. However, Dark Nebula is still much less exciting imo because his design's a bit generic, and most of his attacks just consist of shooting stars or flying around in simplistic patterns. Marx may have been just as easy with something like Hammer, but his design, music, and attacks were all significantly more interesting.
i- uhhh i- y'know what yeah fair
Yes true, I wish dark nebula's fight had more to it tho, bit of downgrade from dark Daroach's fight. Mecha Kracko was the true final boss in difficulty haha.
I love the new Spanish captions, they even respect the official translation! Most of the time people just translate the video and leave all the English character names in.
As much of a not huge fan of Squeak Squad I am, Daroach and the Squeaks were the highlight of the game. They had neat designs, bumping music and it was fun fighting them for chests.
He’s the leader of the bunch, you know him well
He's finally back, to steal some cakes
So Daroach is a father to all of those Squeaks so that explains everything
But how many moms were there?
@@FakeItemBoxLetsPlays Possibly a few as a harem after all mice can repopulate as much as they could
He meant they were like a family to him, not that they were literally his family, that would be weird
-please dont woosh me if this turns out-
-to be a joke im not getting-
@@leedlelel2373 ohh now its makes more sense. I was way off target
@@Soultail Once I saw the first reply I got a little scared, glad LL came in
so the squeaks are basically just "the real treasure were the friends we made along the way, and also all this shit we stole"
Theory on Dark Nebula: He's actually some form of Dark Matter with gained sentience. This could explain why his battle strategy is identical to Miracle Matter's in terms of behavior, as well as the similar coloration of Dark Daroach and Dark Matter's first form. It is also theorized to be the blob of Dark Matter which attacked Iceberg way back in Kirby's Dream Land 3, which may explain why King Dedede had sealed it in a chest.
by this point's Zero's dead so any surviving Dark Matter's would be left free.
I had NO IDEA that the Squeek Squad showed up in Mass Attack. I thought they were _only_ in their debut game, and in Star Allies (aside from occasional background cameos here and there).
I was just listening to Daroach’s theme when this popped up.
Ironic
Nice
Coincidence I think not
It’s like you summoned them
@@sirthunderclaps4306
It would be ironic if he was listening to Daroach's theme and then Meteorz _didn't_ post a video about Daroach.
Kirby theory:
Dedede tour can happen after the main story and before kirby planet robobot outside the sectinoia (or however you spell the name ) battle since the dreamstalk is still there and we see what caused what happened to her and the dream mirror
Problem: Sectonia disintegrated into flower petals. Furthered by Star Dream saying that flower petals were collected by Haltmann Robotics to make Sectonia Clone. Iirc she doesn't die like this in Dededetour.
I really like how you reasoned with the more confusing details in the story of Squeak Squad like the cake stealing (even if the Waddle Dee part was a bit reachy) and Dark Nebula being so weak because he imprisoned for so long as well as actively trying to get away from you (even if it still made for a trashy final battle). Even though I think the story is still a bit wonky and see no defending Meta Knight's decision to not just tell Kirby what's inside, I see a good portion of it in a sort of new light.
Dark Nebula being sealed in the chest was probably supposed to be a big secret. So of course Meta Knight wouldn't want to tell literally anybody. Having the ruler of the underworld in a chest that can just be opened isn't something you want people knowing about, even Kirby.
Also Dark Nebula's fight is just fine, sure he could've done with a second phase or something, but his fight was still decent nonetheless. Dark Daroach could be considered his first phase honestly, it pretty much is.
@@chrange9714 Okay but still, Meta Knight has seen and heard of Kirby defeating ultimate evils before. He even gave Kirby Galaxia in the fight with Dark Mind. If he just told Kirby, he would back off and the treasure would be safe. He could've at least tried the easier option rather than fighting the guy he hasn't won against.
Also, I would not like to think Dark Daroach is the first phase cause that would just make his "second phase" look even wimpier. And to me, he just doesn't feel like final boss material.
@@narxmagee727 Meta has only seen Kirby defeat a couple evils at this point, he doesn't 100% trust that Kirby can defeat every threat he comes across. We're dealing with the Ruler of the Underworld here. Meta knew how powerful Dark Nebula was and wasn't going to take any chances.
He doubted even Kirby would be a match for him. All Dark Nebula needed was a second phase. The first fight with him would've made a good first phase. This is also Kirby we're talking about. Nothing's really gonna be hard.
@@chrange9714 If Meta Knight didn't trust Kirby 100%, he wouldn't have given him his prized possession to defeat Dark Mind who corrupted an entire separate dimension in the form of the Mirror World. Something like Dark Nebula shouldn't have him just scrambling to do everything except. It's kind of like Dedede in Adventure. If he had been upfront about what was going on with the Fountain of Dreams instead of swimming in it like a bath tub, maybe they could've come up with some kind of solution.
And I'm not asking for the battle to be hard but more so for it to be interesting. Dark Nebula just wasn't interesting to me like other Kirby final bosses before and after.
@@narxmagee727 He didn't have a choice. Kirby was sucked into a vortex leaving Meta behind. He HAD to rely on Kirby there. Meta would've fought Dark Mind himself but Kirby was the only one sucked in. The least he could do was give Kirby his sword.
He kind of had to. Kirby would've been pretty defenseless otherwise leading to the end of them both. Dark Nebula rules the underworld, if he escaped he could unleash it all on Kirby's world. He just as much of a threat as Dark Mind if not worse.
And King Dedede did try to tell Kirby why he broke the Star Rod in Adventure's manual. Kirby wouldn't listen though, saying he wouldn't fall for another one of Dedede's tricks. Also don't see how Dark Nebula isn't interesting, but whatever.
Maybe people will disagree with me but I think that Squeak Squad is actually the second game in the Kirby timeline if we count all of the games from Super Star as one. Think about it, Kirby is immediately suspicious of Dedede when his cake is stolen but in later games in the timeline it’s shown that Dedede has reformed after the events of Dreamland 1/Spring Breeze. With any other time he’s fought Kirby willingly simply being due to them having a rivalry. This signals to me that this is one of the earlier games within the timeline. Dedede also doesn’t float in his fight in the game showing that maybe he hasn’t gone through his training to do that yet.
Fun detail I noticed: Dark Nebula and Hyness use the same sort of elemental attacks; ice, fire, and lightning. Dark Nebula is somewhat related to Dark Matter, while Hyness is someone who worships Dark Matter.
Apologies if someone in the comments already pointed this out.
You know thinking about it in the Morpho Knight Battle If Played as Daroch the theme that plays is Here come the Squeaks instead Dark Nubelas theme probably implying that the are searching ancient Warriors like Galacta Knight or the Butterfly.
0:00 based song (Squeak Squad title screen)
Yooo this was uploaded on my birthday! i love Daroach, so this is perfect!
Squeak Squad is the Kirby game I grew up with. I also had Mass Attack too, but we don't talk about that one.
Hey Mass Attack had some based minigames
The stars Dark Mind trow at you in his first form give Kirby ice, fire and plasma abilities, and the other one give him a random one
Could you do "King D-Mind | What is Kirby Canon?"
See the Mirror World episode. I talk about him there.
@@Meteorz There's not much about him though. Besides Super Kirby Clash is out now with more information about King D-Mind.
There's really no more information left to talk about him, don't blame me, blame the fact Kirby Clash barely has any lore
@@Meteorz Hey Meteorz, my friend John and I discovered that Meta Knight is actually Parallel
Kirby or Shadow Kirby so pls can u make a video on it, My evidence for this: when meta Knight is unmasked, he looks EXACTLY like
Shadow Kirby. The yellow feet and wings could be part of the disguise. It's unknown why he needs it but maybe
Kirby knew that Meta Knight was just testing him, so he didn't fight as hard. So maybe Meta Knight removed his disguise and reveal himself as
Shadow Kirby and Kirby thinks it's another person, so he fights harder.
@@atomicbomb7750
It's a really cool theory, but there are holes.
1) As of Triple Deluxe, Shadow Kirby has been completely redesigned. He doesn't look like Meta Knight at all anymore.
2) Didn't Shadow Kirby and Meta Knight both appear as separate characters in Amazing Mirror?
3) If Meta Knight is Shadow Kirby, what is Shadow Meta Knight?
If Meta Knight is Parallel Kirby, what is Parallel Meta Knight?
Can you even have a Parallel of a Parallel, or is that just the original? Just thinking about that hurts my brain.
Greatly appreciating you keeping me entertained until the next (mainline) Kirby game comes out
3:32 But can we really say Dark Nebula boosted Daroach's powers that much, when he's able to use the upgraded attacks in Star Allies without being possessed?
There's a noticeable trend in many Kirby games where characters often keep some of the abilities they had when they were possessed (this seems to be a thing after the classic games, though).
A couple of examples are Magolor and Meta Knight. It was suggested that the former, in a Switch News post, may have adopted some of his attacks (such as the Ultra Sword) from being taken over by the Master Crown. The latter can be seen using his shadow cloning and telekinetic abilities in Kirby Fighters 2, which came from him being possessed by the Dark Hearts in Star Allies.
that's more of a gameplay thing that doesn't connect to lore
Yeah, I think it's pretty on the mark to say that they just kept the abilities after possession. Plus if Daroah had these moves all along....wouldn't he just use them on Kirby.
@@chinyereudeh3405 WHY is dedede not stacked out in powers he should be thanos at this point
Ah yes, Kirby commits massive genocide over a fricking cake: the game
Kirby fans try not to use the same joke again and again and again challenge (100% fail)
@@zuzezim hooray! People are disliking the joke just like I wanted
@@SGKLan oh i see
@Sean Tong eh, I don't really like it. Like, yeah, he used to be goofy and innocent but his personality was already established in the other games and it annoys me that he kills multiple people just for a frickty fricking cake when he has saved the universe lot's of times before, then he just goes "oh no, my cake was stolen. Imma make Dedede suffer for this and, who knows, I might also release the ruler of the underworld too".
The Kirby villains could avoid all problems if they just didn't steal from him
To be fair this is the only time that happened(or second since Marx technically stole his wish).
*nobody let Doc and Mk ever build a ship-*
*it would be the end of dreamland*
1:20 THAT CURSED BUTTERFLY PTSD
While Squeak Squad has a lot of flaws, I love seeing this more open minded perspective on it.
Can't wait for the next kirby game. We is in a couple days
@@matthewlu2644 well yeah
Wait what? Did I miss something?!
I found your channel 5 years ago because of the squeak squad playthrough and you videos have Been liking yer videos ever since
- Gun slinging boy from New Jersey.
Tbh Dark Nebula would probably be easy to clone. Judging by how many pieces of it that got separated.
I've Been Using Ratigan's Body As A Base For Daroach For My Kirby Art. The Main Con Of This Is That I Made Daroach Fall In Love With Adeleine
a big fan of the idea that dedede and meta knight worked together to seal dark nebula up in the first place
what im thinking is since zero (and dark matter in general) was so fixed on corrupting popstar, maybe he made dark nebula to get ahold of one of the more powerful beings on popstar (meta knight and/or dedede) (since im also a fan of the theory of dark nebula being basically a dark copy ability that can give whoever he possesses a large amount of power), but they were able to get dark nebula in the chest before that happened and thats why meta knight knows about whats in the chest and why dedede has it without having already opened it and being possessed
I was thinking maybe dark nebula existed a long time ago and tried possessing galacta knight (whos known as the strongest warrior in the galaxy) but the aeon heroes all stopped him and sealed him in the chest for all eternity, but then it doesn't make sense how dedede would know about it (unless meta knight told him beforehand, which why didn't he tell kirby in that case)
I would argue that dark nebula's use of elements further proves how weakened it was after being sealed. Daroach uses every element himself so it could be assumed that dark nebula was only using Daroach's power in the fight and had no real energy of its own.
THE STREET RAT SHIPPED WITH THE EDGY KNIGHT
Love how dark nebula is literally a star with an eye made of small little stars and has a mediocre death design.
I want a remastered of this video game
Squeak Squad or Mass Attack?
@@Amparito847 Squeak squad
Daroach is still cool
yo meteorz. Question. Due to the fact that you mentioned that copy abilities could work off of memory as thats what kirby uses as his main source of power. How those the combined copy abilities from 64? could you do a "What is Kirby Canon?" of that?
I just realized dark nebula uses the same elements as the mage sisters
I barely remember that "self-correction." Haha It does make you wonder why they renamed Dark Zero to Dark Nebula in the English version in the first place, though.
Then there'd be three characters named Zero. Do you _really_ want that?
probably not to draw confusion i mean i heard people say that nebula is 03 bruh
Ok so I have a theory for this franchise and it might sound wierd but it works for my mind-
What if the 4 hero’s of yore were reborn or related to the main 4 characters (Kirby, Meta Knight, Dedede, and Bandana Waddle Dee)? I was thinking of reasons why Galacta Knight (the aeon hero) was so simaler to Meta Knight and this thought came across my mind and it seemed to fit.
I want to know what you think of this so don’t be afraid to share your ideas!
This is actually want I had in mind as a theory as well. Didn't know someone else had the same theory.
@@BandanaDeeFan28 oh-
oh heck yeah my favorite kirby character!
Daroach: bros before hoes.
He Da Best Roach
re-mouse-tered
“ DONT TOUCH THAT CHEST YOU RAT! “ MK “ NOPE IM OPENING IT AND YOU CANT STOP ME! “ Daroach “ Kirby imma yeet you at that rat, you ready buddy? “ dedede “ poyo! “ Kirby dedede gets Kirby at roach but misses and hits the chest, dark neb try’s to control Kirby but fails, so now dark neb is chasing roach, triple, and Kirby and MK is flapping above all of this “ there a bunch of bleep-heads. “ MK should I make more? Comment under this if I should! Bye!
4:53 so remember that whole thing about not knowing Spinnis gender
I think it would've been cool if Spinni was a girl. Still no idea where that idea even came from though.
@@castform7 it was from a false translation of the mass attack dialogue for him, either it was a mistranslation or some dumbo who wanted le female spinni to be a thing. but meteorz translated and looked for evidence himself and found nothing, so it was most definitely a hoax
3:57
Didn't Void Termina also use the elements, to power up his swords
Technically, yes. Though that could also be from absorbing the power of the Mage Sisters, rather than of itself.
@@Meteorz Ah yes, his soul form did have the electric lazers, and that flame ball also used by Sectonia soul... no other Ice attack tho... and those other two being elemental might also just be a councidence
@@Meteorz yes but it's the same with gooey using his copy ability in dreamland 3and you mentioned him
True enough. Either way, the focus was more so on Dark Nebula anyway. Also, Void is a whole different subject who was never technically confirmed to be...anything.
@@Meteorz 4:26: Sadly, the Cake in "Kirby's Return" is not the same as the one from Squeak Squad. The Squeak Squad Cake, however, did become a 3D model in Star Allies, when you play as Daroach in "??? Star Allies Go!" and you can get that Cake from Daroach via the Cook Potluck and Supper Party.
Will there be a master hand crazy hand episode?
Ma mouse/rat boy daroach
YEEESSSS I MISSED YOUUUU
Uhhh.....Meteor? About that cake in return to dreamland?
Compare the cake's size in return to dreamland to the size of the on in squeak squad. Notice the difference in size? the one in return to Dreamland has big enough for Kirby to require both hands to hold it. The cake in Squeak Squad was small enough for just one hand. It's clear one in return to dreamland was another slice of a difference bigger cake, and kirby ate the one in squeak squad.
It's either because of the different artstyle or because it's a different cake
@@aquaponieee it's also a difference size in return to dreamland.
Its most definitely a diff cake id say, the ending cutscene shows him about to eat it, i doubt he didnt end up doing so like you said, besides, SA has both the rtdl cake and the squeak squad cake(you need to cook daroach) so if it was the same cake i would assume they wouldve used the rtdl cake when you cook daroach and not one that looks exactly like the squeak squad one
@@leedlelel2373 exacly a differnt cake.
Guys are reading way too deeply into a throwaway joke =P
Make a gooey kirby canon
This phantom thief mice.
I just bought this game and I haven't played it yet can someone reply and tell me if I should watch this or wait?
i would say if you don’t want spoilers then you should play the game first
Could we get a WiKC for Master Hand and Crazy Hand?
Since the Kirby games are the only non-Smash games they appear in.
When Are You Kirby Canon On The Beast Pack And Elflin?
Whats you faivorite copy ability
Couldn't sworn you did this before. Didn't you?
It’s a remake of that episode
For a while now I thought that Bandana Dee stole the cake...
But I guess it's official. Must've been a Squeaker (if I remembered their name right).
Why not make a video of different collectibles or item like the triple star cane meta knights sword the love love stick
Here we go again 0:07 twice
Today I learned that Spinni has always been a boy. .....My life is a lie
5:19
I thought there was a debate in the community about Spinni's gender due to it being undetermined.
Yet, here, there's clear footage of him being referred to as "he".
If the answer's that simple, why was this even a debate, then?
I mentioned this in the old video, but removed it from the new one, as a gender is a REALLY pointless thing to rant about.
Basically, a lot of rumors started by saying "lt said (Thing) in the Japanese version!"
Social media wasn't as huge then as it is now, so finding someone to fact check that was really hard unless you knew Japanese yourself.
One of these rumors was that the Japanese Squeak Squad manual explicitly said Spinni was female (which was false)
That being said, Spinni wasn't referred to as ANY gender, in the Japanese version of EITHER game.
Hello Meteor, can I make you a proposal regarding Japanese-exclusive guides and books on the Kirby series? Please reply if you're interested.
What kind of proposal, and regarding what exactly?
@@Meteorz Well, it's a bit long. So, I had this old blog ( kirby.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Eficiente/Japanese_transcripts_from_guides,_books_%26_manga ) where I ideally wanted to put transcripts of Japanese-exclusive guides and books, but it didn't really worked out as expected. Scanning pages and making basic translations is incredibly easy, but there is no organization in the Kirby community to for people to share the contents of those guides and books. I find notable that we now have basically all light novels translated by fans, but would like to give a hand on making this canon content available for anyone who may want to look for it.
As such, I had a bold idea that I considered worth proposing; Would you consider making yourself a Patreon on the purpose of A. being able to buy Japanese-exclusive guides and books and B. Keep yourself motivated, as the job would also come of having to upload their content on Imgur?
Thinking about it, I took this as the fastest way in which the topic could be handled, if I also wouldn't have approached it the same way if there were more channels well known by the Kirby fandom. I also knew that you once uploaded the Kirby 20th Anniversary Encyclopedia in Imgur, so, idk, that's something.
I would gladly scan the oncoming pages and make basic translations separately, and more importantly I believe it would lead to fans better organizing themselves on making their own better-made translations and transcripts in a more professional manner, as those are handled in other series.
I think the bigger issue is getting the stuff translated, I only know of like 2/3 people who have the capability of doing so, and having them translate all the materials themselves seems like a LOT of work to put on them.
It's like those people who start a Kirby fangame, but literally have no skills outside of sprite work/planning, and hope everyone else can do the work for them...
Y e e
Sqeak Squad is one of the weaker kirby games, but it's still enjoyable
yeah
Hey Meteorz, my friend John and I discovered that Meta Knight is actually Parallel
Kirby or Shadow Kirby so pls can u make a video on it, My evidence for this: when meta Knight is unmasked, he looks EXACTLY like
Shadow Kirby. The yellow feet and wings could be part of the disguise. It's unknown why he needs it but maybe
Kirby knew that Meta Knight was just testing him, so he didn't fight as hard. So maybe Meta Knight removed his disguise and reveal himself as
Shadow Kirby and Kirby thinks it's another person, so he fights harder.
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Yes who cares!
@@SGKLan me
@@style3244 alright
I do too this is literally the first time ive gotten one of the first comments! Usually a bot does it):