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the stats on weapon are very confusing and doesn't tell you anything like...at all. smg carbine at base require 2 headshots to kill a minoris enemies, so with 30% damage boost to headshot and extra 20% range damage base boost. you would expect it gonna need 1 shot to headshot kill but still 2....so what is the point of upgrade then??
@@ZzVinniezZ yeap, I'd rather it just say how much dmg per shot instead of dmg on a scale of 1 to 17, MOA instead of "accuracy" rating, rpm instead of "rate of fire" rating, actually useful numbers.
The heavy bolt rifle has better stats in every category except rate of fire The slightly higher rate of fire still results in less dps due to low damage. The auto bolt rifle also has less ammo in the mag and less total ammo than the heavy bolt rifle resulting in that higher rate of fire hurting it a lot. The auto bolt rifle has the smallest skill tree due to very few weapons in its tree. Realistically as a Tactical if you want to use a full auto bolt weapon you are best with a bolt rifle with grenade launcher, or a heavy bolt rifle with it’s potential 70+ magazine. Bolt carbine might actually have very high dps(and plenty of ammo) but I haven’t tested it enough yet.
Gonna be honest, I don't care how bad the Auto Bolt Rifle is. I'm an Ork player in the tabletop, and you can take my Dakka when you pry it from my cold dead hands.
I still need to check the Plasma rifle out, maxed the melta, bolter with grenade launcher, carbine, and my personal favorite the Stalker. Plasma rifle really that good?
@@JKS_Craftingit's a little bit of a struggle at first, one you're at purple it's good then once you get to relic it's "holy shit, the hive tyrant dies to four shots".
@@traceyrinaldi4759 I have the plasma incinerator at max tier and max exp, and I learned that perking it for the charged shots and then pretty much only charge shooting it is the way to go. That thing rips stuff apart when you heavily rely on the charge.
A weapon being "fine" after unlocking relic tier is bad. Weapons should be relevant from tier 1 otherwise it makes grinding lower difficulties untill you actually unlock the relic tier and all the perks feel like a waste of time imo.
@@DaemonPrince Honestly, a weapon that only gets good at purple tier also sucks. Weapons should feel usable when you first get them. I don't want to have to pay the fun tax for a bunch of runs with a shit weapon before it feels "fine".
He got roasted for saying the heavy auto bolt rifle is one of the worst weapons so now I guess we are doubling down by exaggerating the auto bolts reload speed ammo economy and fire rate
@@calebheisserer5391geez you ppl are insufferable. Lol all i said about both of these guns is that they’re fine but there are better guns and you’d think I punched your grandma. I said the reload is faster. How on earth is that exaggerating? It’s little just a statement of truth. Some of you guys gotta get a hobby for real.
@@TrueVanguard you’re the guy getting tilted in your own comment section. The OP comment contributed to your engagement by offering data mined info on a topic you brought up in your video. You respond with some snarky comment about damage not being the only factor. Unless you have the frame data showing the faster reload and fire rate equals more dps than the heavy auto (it doesn’t) maybe you should reevaluate how you’re coming across. You don’t deserve to get roasted for having an opinion that differs from others, but how you handle and respond to the people who disagree with you (from what I’ve seen the past couple weeks) sure is questionable
HBR damage variant does everything exactly the same except it aims better so it's easier to headshot rows of gaunts/tzaangors. Unlike ABR it can oneshot termagants with headshot. It's worth shooting at majors if you can land headshots. Heavy bolt rifle is everything the auto bolt rifle is, only better. It also has better penetration.
@@MythicFrost Not really, considering lore the marines are deadly accurate and will land most every headshot, thus pasting them. Going by tabletop rules a space marine with a bolt rifle pasting a gaunt is less than 50% per shot. Yes Space Marines are super overpowered, and so are their weapons. Thing is, so is everything else in 40k ESPECIALLY Tyranids.
@@JonathanFlexxno offense but fuck the tabletop arguments. The table top is specifically balanced so all factions have a chance against any given faction, it is also an RNG based game so a statistically amazing unit can still get a big fat zero on a roll then fail multiple defensive rolls and die. We should not be looking to it for PvE balancing guidelines.
Dps and accuracy is outclassed by the heavy bolt rifle which already has a larger default mag size. This needed a grenade launcher option like the tabletop supports
Honestly, when you have 2 people who cover long and/or close really well, the Auto really helps fill the middle gap in both range and damage, plus the peirce on it really helps. I usually avoid using it if someone else is a mid range user or someone is using the heavy boltor. With so many people liking the long and close burst style, the weapon can actually be utilized quite often.
I just said this to my squad last night. Surely it’s not the best option but it has supplanted the heavy bolt as my 3rd preset. The latest rounds of buffs have made is a better volume fire choice IMHO. Really fun in the final encounter for Inferno or Ballistis Engine.
This was the gun I picked when leveling Tactical. Its exactly as u said, all around good gun, i think it's a bit more forgiving than the heavy bolt, hits harder than the carbine, and the bolter only is better with the grenade underbarrel. And imho after 400hrs, anything is better and more fun than melta.
@@Death_Chopper So it have more overall DPS than Heavy Bolt Rifle? Cause relic HBR deals 10 to 11( damage version ) base damage and have slower rate of fire. Wow
@@Death_Chopper I found datamined weapon stats on steam. Both have no headshot multiplayer and their damage per second without any perks is exactly the same if we do not count bonus damage variation of HBR.
That has been my experience so far as well. I JUST hit relic with it and am working my way to maxing the exp (I armory data'd the perks to max) and even at relic it is very difficult to keep up with other party members damage.
I think one of the big problems with Auto Bolt rifle, is it effectively competes with the heavy Bolt rifle, the main issue is the HBR is just better in basically everyway, more ammo, more damage, extremely more accurate and the only real downside is it fires slower.
The reduced amount of versions and perks as a result really hurts. I think it does similar damage to heavy bolt but in practice I feel the lower accuracy and weak sound makes it less fun to use than heavy bolt. The campaign performance is also pretty which is what turned me off of it and I suspect other people too. After this video though I feel like it’s worth a try though so thank you for that
No, the HBR does more damage per shot and can kill guants on Ruthless with one shot where as the AB takes 2. The HBR has slightly better DPS, along with more accuracy and better ammo economy. Really looking forward to seeing the Bolters getting a case by case buff cause a flat damage buff isn't going to fix their issues.
1:27 more like going to a fancy Japanese restaurant and there’s all types of sea food. Your firends order squid, blowfish, tuna sushi. And you order the chicken tenders and fries from the kids menu because you won’t know if you’ll like it but don’t want to take the time to experiment with things you won’t know if you’ll like or not.
I am leveling up the auto bolt rife while watching this video. The green level weapon is viable in ruthless missions. The major issue is it is such a boring weapon to use: I wish they give bolt rifes some perks to deal additional damage to minors enemies so that these weapons serve a purpose.
I think it’s worth levelling every weapon in the game if you have the patience. It’s good to understand the game fully and you also never know whether a weapon that’s a bit boring could become buffed and suddenly be really exciting.
I'm getting my last 3 weapons maxed out. The autobolt, the heavy bolt, and the occulus carbine. From my experience. The heavy bolt rifle is the same as the heavies heavy bolter, it's for add clearing and as you level it it picks up a little accuracy and so it is an excellent all rounder. The auto bolt is really good for taking max close range headshots into majors, but it's decidedly lacking against terminus. The reload is good but you never get spread control so it's best to pick up the accurate version. Feathering your fire rate at medium to long range will allow you to handle the recoil and just spray at close range to clear hordes, though honestly except for the reload the heavy bolt rifle does that better, especially with the increased piercing. I have yet to work over the occulus, but the weapon perk tree has potential. I'm looking forward to getting that one done
I ran it to ruthless a bit ago hoping it would open up at relic tier. If you handle it in controlled bursts it's not bad and a nice change of pace. You should make a video about the marksmen bolt carbine my new favorite on tac
I think the main reason people don’t like the ABR is because they’re comparing it to the melta rifle, and everything that isn’t the plasma incinerator, bolt rifle w/ grenade launcher, or the stalker bolt rifle gets swept under the rug. Auto bolt rifle feels like the heavy bolter for the tactical imo. Which is funny because the heavy bolt rifle exists.
I like it simply because it just feels good using and to me that's always more important than performance or objective stat lines Which is why I also put up with the Power Fist to me it just feels good using and I vibe with it a bit more than some of the other melee weapons is it good not really but I don't care I like trying to make it work
There are two things that aren't obvious and a lot of people miss entirely. The power sword is really fast on the parry, so you have to wait longer to parry or it'll be too early. If you're missing them it's very likely that you're parrying early. The other game changer is dodge and hold the attack button to go directly into an opener with the opposite stance. That way you don't waste time and drop your shield switching between stances. A lot of the rest is just practice.
It feels they had been tweaking stats in the shadow as all bolt weapons seem to be doing much better now. Also last patch made ruthless a bit harder again.
My was using ABR when he was playing tacmarine and said one thing - "its average and good versus nid hordes - i like it". After that he relic tier'd it with standard bolt rifle and plasma. Now Im playing as tacmar and i find HBR more pleasing to me since "less firerate - more damage" def my thing. But not gonna lie - i actually had some good time using ABR versus nids. Can say i've never found ABR bad (and have never understood why ppl hate it) - its just average (it not a bad thing to me by the way). Its better at close range than HBR/BR and better at mid range than auto carbine thus making ABR an allrounder gun which is "average but basic". My friends and I find it useful, probably some ppl dont - in the end depends on person's preferences.
I am using the normal bolt rifle right now. It’s currently on the green tier but just find it crap still. I am running it on ruthless but, does it get better once fully levelled?
I'd say the Auto Bolt Rifle is best described as the Bolt Carbine if it was a Assault Rifle rather than a Smg. It's nothing amazing, but is a decent choice.
I find the auto bolt has better hip fire accuracy for cqb than the bolt rifle. Feels like the ar from halo, the bolt rifle is your battle rifle. For perks, i would use the first 3 on the top row, and the rest go for the bottom row. Agreed that you sacrifice the ammo, but this is tactical, ammo is not much an issue from killing majoris, and you won’t sacrifice much ammo if you hit accurately and kill the target quickly.
I still wouldn't take it at relic tier. Shoot, I eventually found a use for the Bolt Carbine for Sniper (not tactical, he has better options) where you can use it as surprisingly decent chaff clearer that can keep you perma-stealthed in big waves while you hunt down majoris enemies with your beefed up combat knife. Since ONLY the auto-bolt rifle is a tactical weapon and no one elses, it's still really bad, made worse when arguably I'd take the heavy bolt rifle over it. Better damage, better magazine size, better recoil, slightly slower fire rate. That's not great.
This gun is like water from Flint The other meta guns are Fiji and Smartwater quality with premium ice. The meta guns do general gameplay better and specialize better. Cool video. Glad it’s more useful than I thought but I’ll go level something else. Those numbers are impressive but some solo with bots players play better than bots which would prevent those high numbers. Imo You seem genuine with your delivery, praise, and cons. The average player playing with players won’t get numbers like that. Idc if people use it but I won’t
In SM1 every weapon was shit except plasma and melta But I learned to beat Exterminatus with a storm bolter (the shittiest of them all) just for the sake of it
Under barrel nade launcher for Tactical is peerless, even after the "nerf" it's S+ tier, absolutely trivializes ruthless difficulty. This is a gun that you use on purpose to "nerf" yourself to try to get some challenge back in the game.
U really got to compare it to other weapons and if the heavy bolter is better...the heavy bolter is already bad compared to the others. In the beginning I tried to make a bolter gun work and they all felt so underwhelming it's only when u get the nade launcher on the bolt rifle when u start to have an impact. When I switched to the melta then, it was like playing easy mode even on ruthless. Now the nade launcher on relic u shoot 2 or 3 nades into a pack of major is and they all light up red...the difference to the "regular" bolters is soo big. I think many me included are at a point now where there is nothing left to do so everyone is trying the shitty weapons but they definitely need a buff.
I just unlocked relic tier yesterday, currently getting the exp maxed out at that tier but have it fully perked.... it IS BAD especially in comparison with all of the other available weapons for the tactical class. It's bad man. Edit: By bad I do mean strictly in comparison to the OTHER available weapons. I've currently not played the stalker bolt or bolt carbine yet, but all the others I have at max relic (max exp earned). It DOES chew through minoris, but against majoris or better it just fails to perform, and honestly you have your chainsword and pistol for minoris, as well as the other weapons also being able to handle them just fine (maybe not stalker? not sure yet).
The Auto Bolt Rifle is indeed bad, here is a few reasons why. The Bolt Pistol, Heavy Bolt Pistol, Bolt Rifle, Heavy Bolt Rifle, Knife, Chainsword, Plasma Incinerator, Melta Rifle, Blregh Bolt Carbine, Stalker Bolter. Just a few of the top of my head.
He said it's fine. Not good, not bad. Just fine. You know when a gun's being compared to something as boring as your toaster it's not really what you'd call good.😅
Most everyone agrees that almost every weapon in this game is viable. So almost every weapon can be used and work if you just like it. The issue is some weapons are just way better. Hopefully, they wont nerf weapons (looking at you, Helldivers 2), but will buff the weaker weapons in some way to make them more fun.
bolter type weapons are underwhelming to say the least. even with heavy bolters you need several hits to kill a little hormagaunt. having to grind to hell and back to reach relic tier to have a decent experience is a HORRIBLE practice.
It’s not bad it just isn’t as good as the rest of the guns that actually do things and considering this gun shoots at a snail’s pace like the rest of the bolt rifles. If it shot at maybe double it’s current fire rate it might be good. But as long as you can have infinite grenade launcher ammo on the bolt rifle it’s bad.
If it had a grenade launcher like the standard bolter then it would be fine. It trades ammo efficiency for DPS which isnt a good tradeoff when we have 2 other bolters that do this already and 1 can take a grenade launcher. The numbers have been done by Italianspartacus and firepower doesnt correlate to a damage number across different weapons, only within its own category. Each weapon as a unique base damage modified by their firepower stat. Is it viable? Sure, in the current state of the game. But everything is viable right now.
Playing this game and the repetitive 6 missions and the enemies who can take your health from full to nearly fully depleted because an Extremist got lucky and jumped you or a Zoanthrope duo are bugged so both get shield and both can attack at the same time.. Saying "At relic tier its okay" is such a joke. A starting/green tier Stalker Melta and Plasma will actually do good damage. When you could have the Bolter Grenade Rifle, A Melta Rifle, a Stalker Rifle, a Plasma Incinerator, yeah it is trash compared to the other guns Tactical has.
the modern world will tell you being a jerk to ppl is manly. it actually makes you look stupid as hell. like you don't actually know how to have a conversation and would utterly fail in the professional world. just sayin'.
Auto Bolt has more spread yeah, but same damage, same mag size, but much faster rate of fire and reloads faster. For general ad clear it's arguably better because you're still penetrating multiple targets, shooting the same number of bullets for the same damage but doing it faster and reloading much faster.
@@TrueVanguard The AB actually does about 30% less damage per shot than the HBR, they have similar DPS, excluding weapon perks, based on weapon tiers. The issue you'll run into is ammo economy(shouldn't be to much of an issue for Tactical overall tbh) but the HBR does have better ammo economy for hordeclearing compared to the AB, taking less rounds to kill across the board.
I noticed you mentioning that it only has one less power than the heavy bolt rifle, but those numbers only mean compared to other variants of the same weapon. The power scaling is not the same across the board.
Nah, this gun is actually trash. I've maxed every weapon, this one was as painful as Vanguard's Occulus Bolt Carbine. Even just going "one up" on the difficulty over the weapon's tier e.g. playing Ruthless with an Artificer version, was nothing but pure frustration as it couldn't even put a Tyranid Warrior into execution state in one magazine unless I explicitly tap fired into their head at close range to make sure not a single bolt missed. It was only by using Auspex that I could chest blast them in one magazine. Absolutely horrendous gun, an inferior Heavy Bolt Rifle in every way, and that's saying something because that gun is mid-tier.
There are just too many weapons that make this one obsolete and its design gameplay wise isn't unique just use the bolt rifle (or heavy bolt rifle) I have the same complaints about the bolt carbine but at least thats on a different class and has a "sniper" variant I also don't see the point in having a occulus bolt carbine when the bolt carbine exists we use the bolt pistol for almost every class where is the secondary variety
Let me get this straight you said the heavy bolt rifle was one of the worst guns in the game and yet this gun is ok? The heavy bolt rifle out paces this gun by light years. Accuracy, power, perks, rate of fire, range, penetration and even customization are all better on the heavy bolt rifle. But this gun tops it for you?
Cool, now compare it to a relic tier melta, bolt rifle with grenade launcher, or plasma incinerator, look at the end game stats for each, and tell me with a straight face that it's comparable. The end game stats don't lie, bolt weapons in this game are hot garbage relative to other weapons in the game. Can you make them viable? Sure you can. Is viable fun compared to Awesome? Not really.
My problem is i find the rifle is kinda ok for hordeclear but as Tactical u have the Chainsword that is S-tier in hordeclear... No point to use it, except for having fun. I think the Tac needs a knife as melee option that would make a good Synergy with that Rifle.
I wouldn't consider the Chainsword S-tier at hordeclear. Its definitely an S-tier weapon since it does everything good but isn't the best at anything, which is unironically fitting for the Tactical lol. The AB is objectively better at add clear compared to the Chainsword(for the Tactical) since it can clear adds faster at range. You use the AB to clear the chaff of the horde then engage the majoris/extremis with the Chainsword. However, the gun is still not where it should be and needs tuning like most bolters and a damage buff isn't going to cut it. It needs to be a case by case change.
those damage numbers and kills seem impressive, untill you realise that the bots literally stood there on the sidelines watching. Doing that amount of dmg with real players in your squad that is what i'd call impressive.
Oh btw. Did some calculations. Small hormagaunts have 44hp on ruthless. And 700 kills of only hormagaunts is allready 30k damage. So unless you parried almost half of those kills you weren't playing on ruthless difficulty.
No boltergun should ever just feel "fine", it should feel like the guns of Navarone on full auto blessed by big E himself ending xeno lives with every shot!
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Reminder that firepower is not a standard measurement of damage, 10 firepower on one weapon could deal less damage than 10 firepower on another weapon
the stats on weapon are very confusing and doesn't tell you anything like...at all.
smg carbine at base require 2 headshots to kill a minoris enemies, so with 30% damage boost to headshot and extra 20% range damage base boost. you would expect it gonna need 1 shot to headshot kill but still 2....so what is the point of upgrade then??
@@ZzVinniezZ yeap, I'd rather it just say how much dmg per shot instead of dmg on a scale of 1 to 17, MOA instead of "accuracy" rating, rpm instead of "rate of fire" rating, actually useful numbers.
@@Xeonzs reload speed and Fire rate 6+
me: dafuq is that even mean??? 6+ to what??
Yep, I was going to mention this. Honestly heavily discredits the rest of the video.
Which is absolute bullshit. 10 means 10 don't give us numbers if they are inaccurate.
It’s not that it’s bad, it’s just that it’s not the other weapons.
The heavy bolt rifle has better stats in every category except rate of fire
The slightly higher rate of fire still results in less dps due to low damage.
The auto bolt rifle also has less ammo in the mag and less total ammo than the heavy bolt rifle resulting in that higher rate of fire hurting it a lot.
The auto bolt rifle has the smallest skill tree due to very few weapons in its tree.
Realistically as a Tactical if you want to use a full auto bolt weapon you are best with a bolt rifle with grenade launcher, or a heavy bolt rifle with it’s potential 70+ magazine.
Bolt carbine might actually have very high dps(and plenty of ammo) but I haven’t tested it enough yet.
@@DakkaDakka12☝️🤓
Usng this remind me alot of the auto guns in old halo (ar, storm rifle, etc.), there’s better option, and these are just standard.
Gonna be honest, I don't care how bad the Auto Bolt Rifle is. I'm an Ork player in the tabletop, and you can take my Dakka when you pry it from my cold dead hands.
Now dats a right and propa Ork!
Yes Dakka Dakka to your hearts content.
have a heavy auto bolt too brother
@@smoadia85 oh believe me, I use that plenty too
Proper orky
The Plasma rifle is permanently glued to my Tactical’s hands.
I still need to check the Plasma rifle out, maxed the melta, bolter with grenade launcher, carbine, and my personal favorite the Stalker. Plasma rifle really that good?
@@JKS_Crafting it took time for me to love the heavy plasma
maybe it will be so for tactical but so far i still dont like it
Same
@@JKS_Craftingit's a little bit of a struggle at first, one you're at purple it's good then once you get to relic it's "holy shit, the hive tyrant dies to four shots".
@@traceyrinaldi4759 I have the plasma incinerator at max tier and max exp, and I learned that perking it for the charged shots and then pretty much only charge shooting it is the way to go. That thing rips stuff apart when you heavily rely on the charge.
A weapon being "fine" after unlocking relic tier is bad. Weapons should be relevant from tier 1 otherwise it makes grinding lower difficulties untill you actually unlock the relic tier and all the perks feel like a waste of time imo.
agreed, couple of the good weapons get good at purple at the latest relic is just better, a weapon that *ONLY* gets good at relic is bad.
@@DaemonPrince Honestly, a weapon that only gets good at purple tier also sucks. Weapons should feel usable when you first get them. I don't want to have to pay the fun tax for a bunch of runs with a shit weapon before it feels "fine".
@@ImagineThereAreTwoFsHere thats fair.
Man this is how ive felt about so much of this weapons in the game. Thank you for putting in a way that makes sense.@ImagineThereAreTwoFsHere
If devs put something in a game it should be at least usable or good. It's rather inconvenient to have stuff that you do nothing with.
this suffers the same syndrome of melee block weapons:
no role
datamine shows that heavy bolt rifle deals 1.3x damage of auto bolt it’s not even a competition
Then it sure is a good thing raw damage isn’t the only variable on a weapon. Rate of fire, reload speed, etc all variables alongside player preference
He got roasted for saying the heavy auto bolt rifle is one of the worst weapons so now I guess we are doubling down by exaggerating the auto bolts reload speed ammo economy and fire rate
@@calebheisserer5391geez you ppl are insufferable. Lol all i said about both of these guns is that they’re fine but there are better guns and you’d think I punched your grandma. I said the reload is faster. How on earth is that exaggerating? It’s little just a statement of truth. Some of you guys gotta get a hobby for real.
@@TrueVanguard no u
@@TrueVanguard you’re the guy getting tilted in your own comment section. The OP comment contributed to your engagement by offering data mined info on a topic you brought up in your video. You respond with some snarky comment about damage not being the only factor. Unless you have the frame data showing the faster reload and fire rate equals more dps than the heavy auto (it doesn’t) maybe you should reevaluate how you’re coming across. You don’t deserve to get roasted for having an opinion that differs from others, but how you handle and respond to the people who disagree with you (from what I’ve seen the past couple weeks) sure is questionable
HBR damage variant does everything exactly the same except it aims better so it's easier to headshot rows of gaunts/tzaangors. Unlike ABR it can oneshot termagants with headshot. It's worth shooting at majors if you can land headshots. Heavy bolt rifle is everything the auto bolt rifle is, only better. It also has better penetration.
Which technically makes sense in lore as it's supposed to be the Primaris upgrade to the older bolters
@@traceyrinaldi4759This auto bolt rifle is the primaris upgrade to the old bolter
Considering lore even single bolter round should waste gaunts so no headshots required.
@@MythicFrost Not really, considering lore the marines are deadly accurate and will land most every headshot, thus pasting them.
Going by tabletop rules a space marine with a bolt rifle pasting a gaunt is less than 50% per shot.
Yes Space Marines are super overpowered, and so are their weapons. Thing is, so is everything else in 40k ESPECIALLY Tyranids.
@@JonathanFlexxno offense but fuck the tabletop arguments. The table top is specifically balanced so all factions have a chance against any given faction, it is also an RNG based game so a statistically amazing unit can still get a big fat zero on a roll then fail multiple defensive rolls and die.
We should not be looking to it for PvE balancing guidelines.
Dps and accuracy is outclassed by the heavy bolt rifle which already has a larger default mag size. This needed a grenade launcher option like the tabletop supports
Honestly, when you have 2 people who cover long and/or close really well, the Auto really helps fill the middle gap in both range and damage, plus the peirce on it really helps.
I usually avoid using it if someone else is a mid range user or someone is using the heavy boltor.
With so many people liking the long and close burst style, the weapon can actually be utilized quite often.
Also got an Autonomous autumn with Zen + Kill clip today. Brought a tear to my eye!
I found more success with this weapon in PvP in the early levels of Tactical. It’s a lot more effective than the Bolter when fighting in tight spaces.
Auto bolt damage now has been buffed by 20%
I just said this to my squad last night. Surely it’s not the best option but it has supplanted the heavy bolt as my 3rd preset. The latest rounds of buffs have made is a better volume fire choice IMHO. Really fun in the final encounter for Inferno or Ballistis Engine.
This was the gun I picked when leveling Tactical. Its exactly as u said, all around good gun, i think it's a bit more forgiving than the heavy bolt, hits harder than the carbine, and the bolter only is better with the grenade underbarrel.
And imho after 400hrs, anything is better and more fun than melta.
one small correction, it deals the exact same damage as the carbine (that being 9 damage).
Is it better than carbine overall? I tried carbine, and found it disappointing
@@Death_Chopper
So it have more overall DPS than Heavy Bolt Rifle? Cause relic HBR deals 10 to 11( damage version ) base damage and have slower rate of fire. Wow
@@ringard5172 technically it should, but i find the HBR much more consistent in landing headshots, so it feels better to use IMO
@@Death_Chopper
I found datamined weapon stats on steam.
Both have no headshot multiplayer and their damage per second without any perks is exactly the same if we do not count bonus damage variation of HBR.
Out of all the gun in tactical arsenal. Lv up auto bolt to relic was the most painful.
That has been my experience so far as well. I JUST hit relic with it and am working my way to maxing the exp (I armory data'd the perks to max) and even at relic it is very difficult to keep up with other party members damage.
I think one of the big problems with Auto Bolt rifle, is it effectively competes with the heavy Bolt rifle, the main issue is the HBR is just better in basically everyway, more ammo, more damage, extremely more accurate and the only real downside is it fires slower.
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Bro same 😮
I think the most terrifying thing about this video is that I now know that Zoolander 2 exists.
The reduced amount of versions and perks as a result really hurts. I think it does similar damage to heavy bolt but in practice I feel the lower accuracy and weak sound makes it less fun to use than heavy bolt. The campaign performance is also pretty which is what turned me off of it and I suspect other people too.
After this video though I feel like it’s worth a try though so thank you for that
Campaign performance pretty meh*
No, the HBR does more damage per shot and can kill guants on Ruthless with one shot where as the AB takes 2. The HBR has slightly better DPS, along with more accuracy and better ammo economy. Really looking forward to seeing the Bolters getting a case by case buff cause a flat damage buff isn't going to fix their issues.
1:27 more like going to a fancy Japanese restaurant and there’s all types of sea food. Your firends order squid, blowfish, tuna sushi. And you order the chicken tenders and fries from the kids menu because you won’t know if you’ll like it but don’t want to take the time to experiment with things you won’t know if you’ll like or not.
I am leveling up the auto bolt rife while watching this video. The green level weapon is viable in ruthless missions. The major issue is it is such a boring weapon to use: I wish they give bolt rifes some perks to deal additional damage to minors enemies so that these weapons serve a purpose.
I think it’s worth levelling every weapon in the game if you have the patience. It’s good to understand the game fully and you also never know whether a weapon that’s a bit boring could become buffed and suddenly be really exciting.
I'm getting my last 3 weapons maxed out. The autobolt, the heavy bolt, and the occulus carbine. From my experience. The heavy bolt rifle is the same as the heavies heavy bolter, it's for add clearing and as you level it it picks up a little accuracy and so it is an excellent all rounder. The auto bolt is really good for taking max close range headshots into majors, but it's decidedly lacking against terminus. The reload is good but you never get spread control so it's best to pick up the accurate version. Feathering your fire rate at medium to long range will allow you to handle the recoil and just spray at close range to clear hordes, though honestly except for the reload the heavy bolt rifle does that better, especially with the increased piercing. I have yet to work over the occulus, but the weapon perk tree has potential. I'm looking forward to getting that one done
I ran it to ruthless a bit ago hoping it would open up at relic tier. If you handle it in controlled bursts it's not bad and a nice change of pace. You should make a video about the marksmen bolt carbine my new favorite on tac
It is the Ultramarines of primaries. Just shows up, does work, leaves. Doesn't wow anyone, just business.
I think the main reason people don’t like the ABR is because they’re comparing it to the melta rifle, and everything that isn’t the plasma incinerator, bolt rifle w/ grenade launcher, or the stalker bolt rifle gets swept under the rug. Auto bolt rifle feels like the heavy bolter for the tactical imo. Which is funny because the heavy bolt rifle exists.
The Discord notifications during the vids made me check so many times.
oh my gosh im so sorry i didn't notice i had those on
they should it give it a rending/armor shred effect, make it more of a support weapon
I didn't even know there was a zoolander 2
I like it simply because it just feels good using and to me that's always more important than performance or objective stat lines
Which is why I also put up with the Power Fist to me it just feels good using and I vibe with it a bit more than some of the other melee weapons is it good not really but I don't care I like trying to make it work
This gun isn't bad, i enjoy the feeling of SMG. Shoots fast.
This gun isn't bad. It's about rhe feeling
Please do a video on mastering the Power Sword? I just started using the Bulwark. Unless you have already. I'll double check.
There are two things that aren't obvious and a lot of people miss entirely. The power sword is really fast on the parry, so you have to wait longer to parry or it'll be too early. If you're missing them it's very likely that you're parrying early. The other game changer is dodge and hold the attack button to go directly into an opener with the opposite stance. That way you don't waste time and drop your shield switching between stances. A lot of the rest is just practice.
It feels they had been tweaking stats in the shadow as all bolt weapons seem to be doing much better now. Also last patch made ruthless a bit harder again.
You can take the plasma incinerator off my charred corpse (I rolled a 1).
Ur tactical marine looks really damn cool TV.
My was using ABR when he was playing tacmarine and said one thing - "its average and good versus nid hordes - i like it". After that he relic tier'd it with standard bolt rifle and plasma. Now Im playing as tacmar and i find HBR more pleasing to me since "less firerate - more damage" def my thing. But not gonna lie - i actually had some good time using ABR versus nids.
Can say i've never found ABR bad (and have never understood why ppl hate it) - its just average (it not a bad thing to me by the way). Its better at close range than HBR/BR and better at mid range than auto carbine thus making ABR an allrounder gun which is "average but basic". My friends and I find it useful, probably some ppl dont - in the end depends on person's preferences.
It can feel like a heavy bolter on tactical if you spec for penetration. I kind of like it if I’m being honest since I liked the heavy bolter.
I am using the normal bolt rifle right now. It’s currently on the green tier but just find it crap still. I am running it on ruthless but, does it get better once fully levelled?
Not bad, I used it a lot at the beginning because of the mag size.
I'd say the Auto Bolt Rifle is best described as the Bolt Carbine if it was a Assault Rifle rather than a Smg. It's nothing amazing, but is a decent choice.
I find the auto bolt has better hip fire accuracy for cqb than the bolt rifle. Feels like the ar from halo, the bolt rifle is your battle rifle.
For perks, i would use the first 3 on the top row, and the rest go for the bottom row. Agreed that you sacrifice the ammo, but this is tactical, ammo is not much an issue from killing majoris, and you won’t sacrifice much ammo if you hit accurately and kill the target quickly.
Holy dooly 4:28 and next to 0 information given
I still wouldn't take it at relic tier. Shoot, I eventually found a use for the Bolt Carbine for Sniper (not tactical, he has better options) where you can use it as surprisingly decent chaff clearer that can keep you perma-stealthed in big waves while you hunt down majoris enemies with your beefed up combat knife.
Since ONLY the auto-bolt rifle is a tactical weapon and no one elses, it's still really bad, made worse when arguably I'd take the heavy bolt rifle over it. Better damage, better magazine size, better recoil, slightly slower fire rate. That's not great.
This gun is like water from Flint
The other meta guns are Fiji and Smartwater quality with premium ice. The meta guns do general gameplay better and specialize better. Cool video. Glad it’s more useful than I thought but I’ll go level something else.
Those numbers are impressive but some solo with bots players play better than bots which would prevent those high numbers. Imo
You seem genuine with your delivery, praise, and cons. The average player playing with players won’t get numbers like that. Idc if people use it but I won’t
I probably wont ever take plasma off my tactical 😂
In SM1 every weapon was shit except plasma and melta
But I learned to beat Exterminatus with a storm bolter (the shittiest of them all) just for the sake of it
Picked this for leveling Tac. Honestly its pretty decent with perks l.
I like auto bolt in PVP. The fire rate and accuracy is actually nasty
Every single ranged weapons feels underpowered.
Only playing Bolters it's a no-brainer using it.
Under barrel nade launcher for Tactical is peerless, even after the "nerf" it's S+ tier, absolutely trivializes ruthless difficulty. This is a gun that you use on purpose to "nerf" yourself to try to get some challenge back in the game.
U really got to compare it to other weapons and if the heavy bolter is better...the heavy bolter is already bad compared to the others. In the beginning I tried to make a bolter gun work and they all felt so underwhelming it's only when u get the nade launcher on the bolt rifle when u start to have an impact. When I switched to the melta then, it was like playing easy mode even on ruthless. Now the nade launcher on relic u shoot 2 or 3 nades into a pack of major is and they all light up red...the difference to the "regular" bolters is soo big. I think many me included are at a point now where there is nothing left to do so everyone is trying the shitty weapons but they definitely need a buff.
I just unlocked relic tier yesterday, currently getting the exp maxed out at that tier but have it fully perked.... it IS BAD especially in comparison with all of the other available weapons for the tactical class. It's bad man.
Edit: By bad I do mean strictly in comparison to the OTHER available weapons. I've currently not played the stalker bolt or bolt carbine yet, but all the others I have at max relic (max exp earned). It DOES chew through minoris, but against majoris or better it just fails to perform, and honestly you have your chainsword and pistol for minoris, as well as the other weapons also being able to handle them just fine (maybe not stalker? not sure yet).
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The Auto Bolt Rifle is indeed bad, here is a few reasons why. The Bolt Pistol, Heavy Bolt Pistol, Bolt Rifle, Heavy Bolt Rifle, Knife, Chainsword, Plasma Incinerator, Melta Rifle, Blregh Bolt Carbine, Stalker Bolter. Just a few of the top of my head.
Bro you cant just say every gun is secretly good. Its not true.
He said it's fine. Not good, not bad. Just fine. You know when a gun's being compared to something as boring as your toaster it's not really what you'd call good.😅
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Til next time, kids!
Most everyone agrees that almost every weapon in this game is viable. So almost every weapon can be used and work if you just like it. The issue is some weapons are just way better. Hopefully, they wont nerf weapons (looking at you, Helldivers 2), but will buff the weaker weapons in some way to make them more fun.
bolter type weapons are underwhelming to say the least. even with heavy bolters you need several hits to kill a little hormagaunt. having to grind to hell and back to reach relic tier to have a decent experience is a HORRIBLE practice.
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So would you say the Heavy Bolt Rifle is better or worse than the Auto Bolt?
Auto bolt rifle is good for hip firing which makes dodging easier.
It’s not bad it just isn’t as good as the rest of the guns that actually do things and considering this gun shoots at a snail’s pace like the rest of the bolt rifles. If it shot at maybe double it’s current fire rate it might be good. But as long as you can have infinite grenade launcher ammo on the bolt rifle it’s bad.
Picklebacks truly are disgusting and I’m glad someone said it. Just a bad prank ppl have gaslit themselves into believing they enjoy lol
perception trumps reality its particularly true in game metas
If it had a grenade launcher like the standard bolter then it would be fine. It trades ammo efficiency for DPS which isnt a good tradeoff when we have 2 other bolters that do this already and 1 can take a grenade launcher. The numbers have been done by Italianspartacus and firepower doesnt correlate to a damage number across different weapons, only within its own category. Each weapon as a unique base damage modified by their firepower stat.
Is it viable? Sure, in the current state of the game. But everything is viable right now.
Hopefully, everything stays viable.
Basically walmart great value heavy bolt rifle, give to vanguard and sniper it will got more use!
I'm happy I left the bolt rifle/grenade launcher for the end. It's just better at everything than just about anything else.
Wish the auto bolt rifle was on vanguard
Literally just a worse heavy bolt rifle or bolt carbine.
They should remove the auto bolt rifle from the game and give us a storm bolter.
wrong. stop being a meta sweat. every weapon can be used differently. you're clearly not tactical minded.
Heresy... picklebacks are delicious
Bolt rifles should get a bayonet
Playing this game and the repetitive 6 missions and the enemies who can take your health from full to nearly fully depleted because an Extremist got lucky and jumped you or a Zoanthrope duo are bugged so both get shield and both can attack at the same time..
Saying "At relic tier its okay" is such a joke. A starting/green tier Stalker Melta and Plasma will actually do good damage. When you could have the Bolter Grenade Rifle, A Melta Rifle, a Stalker Rifle, a Plasma Incinerator, yeah it is trash compared to the other guns Tactical has.
How are you playing 6 missions 30 times a day? Whats the recipe to not burn out??
Yo I got a small pee pee and I'm kind to everyone else online, I felt targeted and triggered by your final remark on this video 🤣
the modern world will tell you being a jerk to ppl is manly. it actually makes you look stupid as hell. like you don't actually know how to have a conversation and would utterly fail in the professional world. just sayin'.
how tf Auto Bolt has more spread and worse accuracy than Heavy Bolter lol
Auto Bolt has more spread yeah, but same damage, same mag size, but much faster rate of fire and reloads faster. For general ad clear it's arguably better because you're still penetrating multiple targets, shooting the same number of bullets for the same damage but doing it faster and reloading much faster.
@@TrueVanguard The AB actually does about 30% less damage per shot than the HBR, they have similar DPS, excluding weapon perks, based on weapon tiers. The issue you'll run into is ammo economy(shouldn't be to much of an issue for Tactical overall tbh) but the HBR does have better ammo economy for hordeclearing compared to the AB, taking less rounds to kill across the board.
I noticed you mentioning that it only has one less power than the heavy bolt rifle, but those numbers only mean compared to other variants of the same weapon. The power scaling is not the same across the board.
Brother that was YOU. YOU said it was bad. You made videos saying which weapons were bad now you're walking back on a few of them lol
Uh. Go ahead and link me to the video where I said this was bad? This is the first time I’ve ever spoken about this gun lmao I’m confused.
Nah, this gun is actually trash. I've maxed every weapon, this one was as painful as Vanguard's Occulus Bolt Carbine. Even just going "one up" on the difficulty over the weapon's tier e.g. playing Ruthless with an Artificer version, was nothing but pure frustration as it couldn't even put a Tyranid Warrior into execution state in one magazine unless I explicitly tap fired into their head at close range to make sure not a single bolt missed. It was only by using Auspex that I could chest blast them in one magazine. Absolutely horrendous gun, an inferior Heavy Bolt Rifle in every way, and that's saying something because that gun is mid-tier.
There are just too many weapons that make this one obsolete and its design gameplay wise isn't unique just use the bolt rifle (or heavy bolt rifle) I have the same complaints about the bolt carbine but at least thats on a different class and has a "sniper" variant I also don't see the point in having a occulus bolt carbine when the bolt carbine exists we use the bolt pistol for almost every class where is the secondary variety
It's not as bad as people say
What does damage towards terminus mean?
Lol 😆
I'd call this gun the standard that every other gun bases it on. The default where if you want specialization, you jump off from this one.
Let me get this straight you said the heavy bolt rifle was one of the worst guns in the game and yet this gun is ok? The heavy bolt rifle out paces this gun by light years. Accuracy, power, perks, rate of fire, range, penetration and even customization are all better on the heavy bolt rifle. But this gun tops it for you?
I dint want to say that its bad... Its just not good at anything.
It Is
There was a Zoolander 2???
its not that bad, its just boring to use
Opinions of Reddittors should be auto-ignored.
Cool, now compare it to a relic tier melta, bolt rifle with grenade launcher, or plasma incinerator, look at the end game stats for each, and tell me with a straight face that it's comparable. The end game stats don't lie, bolt weapons in this game are hot garbage relative to other weapons in the game. Can you make them viable? Sure you can. Is viable fun compared to Awesome? Not really.
My problem is i find the rifle is kinda ok for hordeclear but as Tactical u have the Chainsword that is S-tier in hordeclear...
No point to use it, except for having fun.
I think the Tac needs a knife as melee option that would make a good Synergy with that Rifle.
I wouldn't consider the Chainsword S-tier at hordeclear. Its definitely an S-tier weapon since it does everything good but isn't the best at anything, which is unironically fitting for the Tactical lol. The AB is objectively better at add clear compared to the Chainsword(for the Tactical) since it can clear adds faster at range. You use the AB to clear the chaff of the horde then engage the majoris/extremis with the Chainsword. However, the gun is still not where it should be and needs tuning like most bolters and a damage buff isn't going to cut it. It needs to be a case by case change.
bro wanna be ACG so bad
Brother, the Auto Bolt rifle is trash tier useless garbage. Same with the carbine SMG. Totally useless both of them.
Not bad in pvp
those damage numbers and kills seem impressive, untill you realise that the bots literally stood there on the sidelines watching. Doing that amount of dmg with real players in your squad that is what i'd call impressive.
Oh btw. Did some calculations. Small hormagaunts have 44hp on ruthless. And 700 kills of only hormagaunts is allready 30k damage. So unless you parried almost half of those kills you weren't playing on ruthless difficulty.
No boltergun should ever just feel "fine", it should feel like the guns of Navarone on full auto blessed by big E himself ending xeno lives with every shot!
They need to just buff weapons and not nerf weapons
They really have done that so far