4 years later people still talk about how the .40 is dead but it seems to never change. Still decently popular to this day. It’s a wonderful round. You get decent capacity, the knock down and the weight all in one. I think it’s a great round.
Exactly the only ones that say 40 is dead are those that either never shot a 40 or those that are ignorant. Ive shot my friends 9mm and my 40 right after and felt less recoil in my 40 which isnt bad for a bigger amd heavier round
@@jhlalone360 I do remember that when the FBI switched from 10mm to 40 S&W the so called "Experts" predicted that was the death of the 10mm. Well apparently that wasn't the case as new 10mm guns are being introduced almost monthly. I think the .40 will be with us for MANY years to come.
Carried a .40 as my duty weapon for years and I have first hand knowledge of it's tactical use. Quite frankly, the FBI started hiring applicants based on computer skills rather than the ability to pull a trigger. Trainees could not handle a .40 proficiently and went to the 9mm. My agency followed suit and transitioned to 9mm. They gave us the opportunity to buy our .40 cal duty weapons, which I did and carried it on duty. Training is the key!
So I know this comment is old but I have a question for you. When your department switched to 9mm, you were only allowed to stick with a 40 if you bought your duty gun? And if the whole department switches to 9mm except a couple people, they still provide the 40 duty ammo? I don't know how any of this stuff works
Punching a bigger whole at a higher speed will always be better. And the argument that advancements in 9mm bullet technology make it comparable is moot because the .40 S&W AND EVERY OTHER CALIBER has also benefitted from that same technology equally.
redpyro911 you realize. 40s&w is only one millimeter in diameter bigger right? I don't see missing a vital organ close enough where the additional millimeter pays off happening very often. If one millimeter of diameter is the difference from harvester of souls and wounded, then the .45 acp must be double plus good because it is slightly over 1 mm bigger than. 40 s&w.
That is true, but I think the point they are making is that 9mm is " good enough" and is much cheaper with much less recoil. If you want more power than a 9mm a .45 is better than a .40 with a negligible difference in price,and recoil.
Own 9mm and 10mm. 40 sounds pretty good cause you don’t have the recoil as a 10mm. But you can obtain the same knock down power as a .45, however you can get quite a few more rounds in a 40. Vs a .45. 40 is no way dead.
What a 9 Mini Meter might hold one more round , in a gun fight you will be lucky to get off three rounds before it's over , you need to get those shots in a vital area accurately and quickly , Hero , Most likely both combatants will be hit , I hope it never happens , but I we live in a crazy world !!!
40sw also got advancements as well. When I hear that stupid argument 9mm got advancements so did every other carry caliber. It is just physics. you can put the same powder and bullet design in the 40sw., But 40sw inherently has a bigger bullet and bigger case, it will always be stronger than 9mm and the capacity is not too far off from 9mm. g22 holds 22 rounds, g17 holds 33 rounds.
aside from 45 +p, 40 sw loads have substantially more muzzle energy than most 45 loads do. most 165gr .40 loads are at least 450 ft lbs and 230gr 45 is barely cracking 400 most times
especially in CCW guns w short barrels, .45 becomes a lot weaker because the round has some absolutely MASSIVE velocity loss even going to a 4.25 in barrel much less say a 3.5 or 3 inch.
There is a much larger following of 40 SW then you know. Also i got behind on my pandemic ammo and i was able to stock completely up with 40 cal. Thanx for killing 40 sw.
40 works, period. But lots of cartridges work fine. Personally, I like 9mm, because I learned that consolidating ammo makes shopping and stocking WAY easier for me. I have a Kahr PM9 9mm for daily carry (3.1" barrel, 6 rounds), a Glock 34 9mm for home defense (4.5" barrel, 17 rounds), and a KelTec Sub-2000 9mm carbine for camping/bugout bag (16" barrel, 33 rounds), and its great I only need to worry about one ammunition type and two of them can share magazines and suppressors to boot, and that's just practical. 9mm is also inexpensive to plink, and available everywhere.
when this guy said he had no ammo of 40 you kinda knew which way this was going...i have them all and 40 is a great round love the 155 grain though perfect for caliber
You could make the argument that in a self defense situation more rounds are better, since 80% are misses even by law enforcement. But that doesn't mean the 40 should be trashed.
@@Darkpara1 you have to realize what is getting hired by the law enforcement agencies these days ( no offense ) but little women and soft hand men which both have not ever fired a firearm in Thier lives and hardly spend time at the shooting range because they think they will be able to shot like the Hollywood cops/FBI guys and hit between the eyes shot every time. And they think just because they have 17 rounds of 9mm they will never have to reload.
You didn't hear a thing Eric said. He said it's loosing a LOT of interest in the public. So stockpile if you want, buy everything up. You'll be the minority left using it for better or worse.
Personally it's really not the expensive to shoot and really not snappy. Been runnin 40 for the last 5 years and for 2 rounds less then 9mm? Why not. I like 9 and alot of other stuff but 40 is kinda my pet load been runnin the same gen 3 23 since I got into the caliber no problems at all. But I do buy in bulk because sometimes I do wonder if itll quit bein made because how many people dont like it. And dont buy it I've takin everything from beavers to deer with it and have seen tons of people kill hogs and bear with it. To me it's an awesome round. And like he said way less exspensive to shoot then 10mm and alot less recoil.
If you don't own a .40 S&W... not even a single round of ammunition.. why do a video on it? I love your videos, but let's keep it real. I carried a .40 for many years. It is more powerful than a 9mm.
@@williesumlin7892 I like the fact that you have the same gun when practicing at the range with the 9mm. Also the .40 magazine fits in the 9mm, use it at the range, without stopping to reload magazines as often. I don't carry with the borrowed magazine in the gun.
While I respect them and like most of their videos, I can’t believe he didn’t actually test any instead of using book values. Paul Harrell did an excellent 40SW vs 9mm. In most measures, the difference was negligible, as shown in studies of defensive handgun fights: there just isn’t a big difference all the way from 380ACP to 45ACP. One big difference was in barrier penetration where the 40SW significantly outperformed the 9mm. I carry either a 45ACP or a 380 ACP, but I’d have no qualms carrying my Browning Hi-Power in 40SW.
John Wason just over an hour ago i bought another glock 22 on gunbroker for $260. I can get a 9mm conversion barrel for $85 and have 2 glocks (caliber wise) for under $350. Practice mostly with 9mm and carry .40. Best of both worlds.
40 S&W will never die! There’s always room in my collection for 40S&W . Fun to shoot and the recoil isn’t much more than a 9. Must be some little dudes complaining about recoil.
Bunch of pusses... I literally have never noticed a difference. And I even own two xds mod 2 pistols.. little single stack guns. One in 40 and one in 9mm. There's no real difference.. 9mm +p defense ammo recoils every bit as hard as 40.. which is none at all.. these are auto pistol rounds. It's like saying the 556 is too snappy or something..
My wife doesn’t like my .40 because of the recoil 😂 seems like a lot of these boys on TH-cam. How is it that it’s short and wimpy, but with wrist snapping recoil?? Seems like the TH-cam boys don’t actually know anything about.40, or recoil, or applied ballistics. They’re just repeating the nonsense they heard on the last .40 vs 9 video they watched.
There is a lull in the market, caused by the myth that it’s a dead cartridge due to the FBI switching back to 9x19 for logistical reasons. If you run the numbers, .40 S&W does exactly what it was designed to do, 9mm velocity, .45 Muzzle energy, with mid range bullet weights, and roughly 30% better performance than 9x19. With a minimal reduction in ammo capacity, in a small frame pistol. Think Glock 19 vs 23, and the 15+1 vs 13+1 capacity. I’m a big bore guy for life. .40 or .45 are my carry rounds unless I’m on the job where I carry .357 Sig, but if I get into competition shooting, 9x19 makes the most sense unless I want to run majors. 9x19 is absolutely enough cartridge, I also carry a 9mm Browning pocket pistol from time to time. But anyone claiming 9mm performs “just as well” as .40 or .45 is sorely mislead, and likely already heavily invested in the 9mm life.
You also have to ask yourself, does 9mm perform just as well.. at what? With 9mm, you don't get the same muzzle energy, with similar grain weights you don't get the same velocity, and you don't get the same diameter projectile. So far, it's looking like 9mm simply does not stack up. Yes, you generally get more capacity, and you don't get quite as much recoil, but what are we carrying these things for? It's probably wise to check out real world statistics on rates of failure to immediately incapacitate in civilian/police defensive situations. In Greg Ellifritz' study titled "An Alternate Look at Handgun Stopping Power" we see that 9mm and .40 S&W both fail to incapacitate 13% of the time. .40 S&W is about 5% more likely to incapacitate with 1 shot to the head/torso, but it seems reasonable to argue that incapacitation=success. Based on that metric and that metric alone, it's perfectly accurate to say 9mm is just as good as .40 S&W. Seeing as 9mm is cheaper, I can shoot a little better with it, I get more rounds, and the round is no less likely to do its job, I carry a 9mm and feel good about it.
Liked it in the beginning. Now im getting into the .40 even more for a utility cartridge. I'm a 10mm primarily but the 40 shines far above the 9mm in my humble opinion. Not insulting the 9, but their are better choices.
Blue-Collar Gaming same here In LA. This whole video isn’t even mentioning our struggles, lol. Also, the same for my XD40 or XD9 same price came with 5mags & funny cause everyone was on the same sale buying the 9mm while I’m thinking it’s 10 to a mag no matter the cal which killed me wanting a 9mm. I went with the 40
I carry .40. The two extra rounds that are available in 9mm in a concealable compact is not worth the loss in power for me. It's not that much more expensive to shoot, and good defensive rounds can be bought for less than $1/round.
@@anthonysmith3132 virtually the same gun. The 226 and the 229 suck up the recoil like very few other guns in that size. They are both thick slabs of butter. I put an e2 grip on the 229 and its wonderful. I think the word snappy fits more with lightweight guns chambered in calibers too high. The fat 229 was designed specifically for the 357 sig round I believe. I love shooting screamin 357 sig. I ignore the hate that it gets. 🤘🏼👽🤘🏼
Same here .357 was my favorite. Looking for a revolver and came across police trade in Glocks for less than no-name revolvers. Would rather have a $300 used Glock than a new $300 generic revolver with mixed reviews. Plus, if you reload you can get the 40 very close to the 10mm and .357. Just look up data for Longshot. The only advantage for 10mm is you can run heavier bullets. The only advantage for 357 is better down range trajectory.
Ever since we worked on a guy shot pointblank 9 times with a 9mm no exits and was still sitting up talking to us I decided 40cal was a better round than 9mm. I love my 40 S&W!
With all this covid19 panic I looked at ammo while at the hardware store today. A whole shelf dedicated to 9mm was empty. Found 100 round packs of.40 though. I win.
Those same improvements to the propellants and design in the 9mm are also used in the same bullet in other calibers. So the improvements in the 9mm are also improvements in the 40 and 45.
Yeah, he is a moron. 40 sw inherently has a bigger bullet and bigger case. It will always be stronger than 9mm. Also the capacity is not too far off from 9mm. I carry a g23 with a kkm 9mm conversion barrel. I use 200 grain 40 sw for woods carry not in griz country. 9mm for everything else. One gun satisfies all my self defense needs.
“It’s a little snappy” says the guy who doesnt own a 40. That's funny. "I don't have a single round in 40 Cal. I'm not a 40 Cal guy," but here's my unbiased opinion of a round I don't have in a pistol that I don't own. I love how you 40 haters keep trashing it. Keep doing it. 40 is plentiful. 40 has become much cheaper. 40 is not dead, it is very much alive. I have a lot of pistols, chambered in everything from 22lr to 45acp. My absolute favorite pistol is my Springfield XD 40 subcompact. It goes everywhere with me. If I ever have to use it I honestly doubt the person on the other end will have time too say, "No. You cannot shoot me with a 40. 40 is dead, bruh."
Michael I couldn't agree with you more. Although I own everything from a 9 to .45 ACP, my EDC for the past 27 years has been a Glock 23 .40 S&W. I bought a second generation G23 in 1993 and kept it until a year ago when I traded it in for a 4th generation G23. A 9mm never even entered into my thoughts.
I stopped watching after "I don't have a single round in 40 Cal." Definitely an unqualified opinion. I own, shoot, and carry everything from .380 to .45 (including 10mm) and they all have their purpose. Obviously shot placement and ammunition selection are important. I mostly carry a G27 in 40 S&W and have better shot placement than I do with 9mm, because I've trained for it. Follow up shots are a little slower with 40 S&W, but chances are you won't need a follow up shot!
Gary Blevins most Glocks have the ability to swap barrels from 40 to 9mm this is why many do by a 40 cal. Fyi last shortage the 40 cal was still available. I shoot 40 and 45acp aswell as 460 Rowland. The most important factor is accurate placement regardless of how eveybody has to HYPE OF WHATS BEST. Eric never ever mentioned the 960 Rowland which is a 9mm of riods that can fire 9mm and 960. My 460 Row fires 45 acp 45 cap plus p. And 460. Check out Mr. Gunslingers channel on this.
FOR SURE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD ANYONE BAD MOUTH THE 40 SW 9MM I'VE GOT 3 OF THEM AND I LOVE THEM, BUT IF I WANT HOME PROTECTION I'LL GRAB MY 40 SW WITH A MAG OF 17 ROUNDS EVERY TIME. FOR A COYOTE OR A MAN. AND YES I SAID 17 ROUNDS I8 ROUNDS WITH 1 IN THE PIPE. BUT I'VE GOT 17 ROUND 9MM AS WELL. IT'S NOT JUST THE ROUNDS,,, ITS THE KICK ASS PENATRATING POWER OF THE 40 SW.
Gary FNS makes a better 40 caliber then the Glock 23. You should try it. Shoots much smoother then the Glock. My G23 collects dust now that I carry my FNS 40.
.40 S&W is my favorite caliber,and is my #1 go to round. Faster than a .45 more punch than a 9mm whats not to like? Years ago while debating what type of firearm to buy as my first pistol I came across an odd situation at my work that made my mind up for me. The hospital I worked at was county affiliated so prisoners were brought there when injured. Anyway we received one suspect that had 6 officers guarding him. Turned out he was a high level MS13 member that had just had a shoot out with the Police. He was shot and hit by no less than 14 9mm rounds. Yet was sitting up talking as if it was just another day. He even had a wound that went through his hand and struck him square in the forehead as he tried to shield himself, but the round(9mm) did not penetrate and kill him. I decided right then and there .40sw was the way to go for me. This is a true story, when I asked one of the officers what happened he just nodded to his partner and said someone needs to go practice at the range more.
Poparod Cassidy I think people may eventually end up using .40 again your story tells that. Velocity can have devastating effects but in that guys case the bones in his hand took out enough velocity of the 9mm that it couldn't crack his skull, now for the case of future trolls that will surely come that will down play what I've said up to now .45 is a bone crusher and .40 has more mass than 9mm so obviously will carry that mass further, not as far as the .45 but it will get the job done.
Its not about how many. Its about where. Bullet hits his hand, it lost energy and the forehead is stronger than you think, its the worst place to shoot someone in the head. However, the .40 will travel deeper and hit harder but if it misses vitals then you're in the same boat as the 9.
Odd calibers that are expensive or hard to find,no thx. Although the CZ 52 in 7.62x25 is a bad ass looking little pistol when you can find them. I remember when they came onto the surplus market you could get one for under 100 bucks,now they go for 325-400+ when you can find them.
I can keep the same course scores regardless of using 9mm or .40SW. Both calibers have defensive loads that achieve 18" of penetration. It all comes down to cost, mag cap and barrel wear.
@@MeridianPanther I agree with you, sometimes you have to try different ammo to find the best one for you and you gun, lucky my 40 SDVE eats anything I put through it but I chooses WWB 180 grain JHP'S for my personal protection because it is ( to me ) the best one , and I say again ( TO ME ) every one else can use whatever they want to.....
Everything that applies to the 9mm also applies to the 40sw especially if you are a reloader. Keep your forties and start reloading some really good ammo.
Due to the fact that most gunfights are over in a few seconds, I prefer the knockdown/stopping power of the .40 over the 9mm. Also, I have large hands, and I find the .40 to be a very comfortable round to shoot. As with any caliber, proficiency comes with practice, and so does confidence in your weapon's performance and accuracy. I cut my teeth shooting the 1911 .45, and the .40 recoil is much closer to the .45 than the 9mm. I love the 9mm for plinking at the range...BUT! For me, in a life and death situation - where one round needs to be able to stop the threat - I'm much more confident using the .40 over the 9mm.
@@Skinnymoose Ummm No. Wrong tool for the job. You missed the point. For 2 legged animal defence 9mm and 40 can be close in 3 key attributes, round count, recoil, and energy/terminal ballistics. I can control both equally well for follow up shots, and I'll give up 2 rounds for more energy and superior ballistics of the 40. IF I were defending against a Kodiak bear I would take my S&W 500 5 rounds over my Delta Elite 8 rounds of 10mm even though the 500 is much harder to control.
I think the point is: IF power is your preference...why not 15 rounds of 10mm? Or even .357sig. But when it comes to the standard 3 (9mm .40 .45) there isn't enough difference to negate the cons of the .40
If anyone remembers when Sig came out with the P229 in .40 S&W it was in a lot of law enforcement holsters. Like A LOT! When we shot 40 next to a 9mm the 40 was more of a gentle push in the 9 mm was a snap. We used the Sig P229 in .40 & the Sig P228 at the time in 9mm. Both the same size guns and I was more accurate with the .40. All it gets down to is personal preference at the end of the day. I’ve got both & I shoot both.
I own a police trade-in P229 in .40. And I love the thing. I agree it's more of a push than a snap. Even though the recoil force may be greater its delivery isn't as sharp.
@Simo actually the prices of 10mm ammo isn't all that bad since the caliber is becoming more popular. I can get a 50 round box of S&B 180 grain 10mm for around $17 where I live.
@Simo 10mm is definitely one hell of a round. It is one of the most powerful semiauto rounds out there with some very impressive ballistic performance. Some of the hotter 10mm rounds are capable of hitting on the low range of .41 magnum. Also if you watch some of the ballistic gel testing both .40 S&W and big brother 10mm expand quite well compared to other calibers.
Interesting. There is a good article written by Bob Campbell in the ConcealedCarry called "OLD FRIEND" Don't neglect the 40. My first firearms where an S&W model 10 revolver and a Mossberg 12 Gauge. At the time when I was looking for a semi-auto handgun, everyone was buying all of the 9mm ammo and I ended up with an S&W full-size .40cal and a Springfield XD. And here we are again with all that's going on in the world, 9mm ammo is difficult to find and what do you think will happen this November? I no longer have a desire to own a 9mm. 40 cal and 357magnum are my personal defense choices.
Not very professional. Old news, or, more accurately, old opinions. Anybody who shoots 9 mm, .40 and .45 regularly more or less in the same quantities (reloading strongly suggested) knows .40 has no practical disadvantages and is more performant than 9 mm, regardless of alleged bullet technology improvements. My reloads in .40 are actually milder than my 9 mm. The comparison with .45 is more complex but typically the convenience to carry is higher with .40. Bashing .40 is just a stupid trend of the last years with no true technical point in it.
I reload 10mm and 40sw and have a number of guns chambered in both. Absolutely love both of these rounds! I agree with TrustinMyGat, “How he gonna talk 40 n not have a 40 bullet or gun”
You can compare the specs of the guns/rounds without owning one. There is metric tons of data out there to support any argument you want to argue for and against the .40.
The Double tap (outdated) and Now the Controlled pair are used IN TRAINING. It teaches proper recoil managed follow up shooting and target transitions AT MINIMUM EXPENSE. SOP calls for 1 shot on each present target within your FoF then "burndown" in reverse order. 1 target in your FoF calls for immediate "burndown" (5 shots min). Ancoring shots (mercy shots) being the 3rd and final target sweep administered in a multiple target environment.
Also, SOF units are the only front echelon personnel that are issued pistols. Even Officers in conventional combat units are required to carry the M4 carbine. So either a Soldier qualifies with the M9 Berretta only once ever in AIT. Or trains constantly and requalifies every deployment cycle with a G19(now) or the prior issued Sig 226.
Clown: that’s because you had to use FMJ standard ammo. But Ashe saison this video you didn’t watch, the reason the 9mm has made a comeback is because of the new bullet designs and propellants that make it much more effective than the older cartridges.
Pretty sure Jerry Miculek has taught us all that it's not the caliber, it's the person holding it. Considering how many reports we see of multiple rounds with not many hits, maybe we should worry less (not at all) about caliber and concentrate WAY more on accuracy, eh?
Doesn't own a 40, doesn't like 40 and doesn't own a single gun chambered in 40......lectures us for over 20 minutes on why it's dead. I have owned g23 and 27, I don't csre for 40....I like 9mm and 45 acp, but I'm not telling you that 40 is dead....there are plenty of folks who love 40. Is it dead? No
I keep seeing from stores, reading articles, etc.there are improvements in 9mm ammo. This first of all makes the suggestion it was needed for quite sometime. But also wont we potentially get the same boost in the 40 with the better technology? Is that being done?
Or buy 1 pistol, ammo by the case not the box and training courses. Trust me, in a gunfight by the time you need to mag change there will be another gun laying on the ground, without training and good tactics it'll be yours.
I’ve taken a number of deer with my 40. They laugh at 9mm jelly beans. Besides when it comes to critical time, if your first two shots aren’t good your last two just get more dangerous
The difference in price between the 40 and 9 ammo in my area is less than 2 dollars a box.. And typically the 40s are on sale at the same price or cheaper... So I will stick with my Glock 27 40 cal...
I still like my Glock 23, but I respect your position. I reload, so ammo is relatively cheap for me. I also like that my Glock 23 can shoot 9mm and 357 Sig with only a barrel change. I couldn't afford lots of sidearms when I started, so I got one I could practice with at the range and carry concealed. Everyone has their reasons for their choices. Keep up the good work.
I agree. As a guy who doesn't even own a .40 and probably never will, I think too many people are/were eager to jump on the .40 hate bandwagon. It does its job just fine.
@@SaftonYT I'm fine with either one. I sometimes carry fmj,sometimes jhp. At this time, my Glock 23 on my side has Winchester 180 white box jhp in the mag. On my other side is an extra mag. Loaded with 180 fmj. I have no doubt either load will do just fine if I do my part.
40sw is definitely a dead caliber. Nobody should ever use it again. If you want to sell your guns at fire sale prices, I will reluctantly take them from you.
Hell yeah! I bought a USP for $389 thanks to the .40 hate. I like 9mm fine but I'm sick of people acting like .40 is weak. Compared to 10mm, yeah it's weaker. But compared to 9mm, no it's not. I don't follow the crowd especially in regards to dumping .40 for 9mm. 9mm is great, but .40 edges it out IMO. I always laugh when I here "9mm+p+ is just as good as .40!" But then hitch about . 40 being snappy and hard on guns. What the heck is +p+ doing? Anyhow, take care.
I’ve been learning to tune out some of these guys and their opinions. Learn and take what you want or what helps you. If you’re buying a 40 S&W chambered pistol, just go for the longer barrel if you can. I’m not getting rid of any of my 40 cal pistols even if all US LE agencies get rid of them. Enjoy your shooting.
@@jaimeroman2406 Exactly this horse has been beaten to death , bought 9 mm 's back in the 80 's , 1st glock .40 in 95 {glock 23} , i dont buy trends , but i do love scooping up the deals that abound due to swings of the sheeple , 9 has advanced in technology , and so has .40 , carry on .
As a deputy I’ve carried 9mm in every dept I’ve worked at . However I qualified at the academy with a 40 cal , my personal truck gun is a m&p 40 . Here lately I’ve been moving to 9mm because it’s holds more rounds and has less recoil. I can put more rounds on target with my glock 17 9mm than I can with my m&p 40cal . I also switched to a 9mm m&p shield for my daily concealed carry.
I’ve seen plenty of gen 2 & gen 3 glock 22s that are beat to hell still running like a new pistol at police qualification ranges. I’ve had new women shooters shot my g22 and loved it. 10mm short is not dead.
Just bought a 40 cal... And I'm a bit confused as to why 9mm ammo can make such drastic improvements while 40 caliber ammo cannot. Non sequitur. The 40 is a better round.
The 40 has seen just as many improvements as 9 has. The same new, improved bullets and powders go into 40 as in 9mm, if they will work in the 9. The 40 has improved as well but the 9 used to be so ineffective that it has gone up in effectiveness more than the 40. If you buy premium self defense 9mm and regular 40 hollow point then both rounds are very similar, but if you turn around and buy premium 40 ammo it steps out ahead again. I like both Hornady Critical Defense or Critical Duty or Remington Golden Saber. If you haven't seen it, search for Paul Harrell's video on 9mm vs. 40 s&w and see just how effective each round is on a human analogue made of meat. Very good information.
.40 is no more dead than 9mm. It's just not "en vogue". Gun people can be as bad as fasion people (fasionistas?). There is always something newer and cooler and "better-er" out there. If you get hit center mass with a .40 or a 9mm, or even a .22 lr, you probably won't make it far. But whatever
Bryan Heimann and I can get a box of 50 for 15 buck,s or box of a100 for 32 buck,s for 40 hell I pay more then that for 22 ammo I love the 40 will always be my caliber for a handgun
Did he say significantly more recoil? C'mon, what's the first thing someone buying a 9mm does? They purchase +p ammo , which in my experience feels very similar in recoil to the standard velocity 40. Then why not take the larger, more efficient projectile in the first place?
dan kinsler I have shot both .40 and 9mm +p out of the same gun, my Glock 27, my carry gun; and there is no comparison. The +p is a little bit harsher than 115 range fare ammo, but still nowhere near the .40 ammo. The day .40 died for me was when I realized that my 27 kicked more than a 10mm Glock 20.
@@509Gman Or maybe use your brain and realize that the glock 27 is much smaller than a glock 20 so its gonna kick more. I dont know what ammo you used but a lot of factory 10mm is underpowered.
That's the trouble, the first thing they should buy is a case of ball ammo and a training course. I'll take an ounce of tactics over a pound of tool anyday of the week.
I have a Ruger sr9c, sr40, and sr45. Of those 3 in same configuration, I shoot the .40 the best. I feel very comfortable with it and really can't feel much recoil difference. I guess maybe I'm just not that sensitive to it.
Mrgunsngear Channel you should still do it, but a more complimentary video of the .40. It'll make us .40 guys happy and still get a bunch of other people telling you you're wrong :)
Ya, good to get different opinions, even if they are the same. But I doubt a bunch of youtuber's saying they don't prefer 40cal will kill that caliber. It has a well deserved reputation for being a fight stopper. In fact, it kinda makes me want to go buy a FNS-40 or maybe a CW40.
You should still do it. You should touch on the fact that alot of guys that like 40. can also get 9mm and 357sig. drop in barrels for some of the 40. pistols out there. 3 calibers in one gun is awesome.
As of today, 3/31/22, 9mm ammo is MORE expensive than .40 cal. I buy my ammo online and will never shoot anything other that my .40s. When a new gun owner shoots the .40, they complain about the snappiness, but like everything else it takes practice.
I personally own a 40cal glock 22 for self defense not snappy in my hands at all and I'm 5'7 180 pounds and 40 has better velocity and more stopping power correct me if I'm wrong? Why was that not said unless I missed thatmm
The minimal improvement in energy is negated by the fact that it is much easier to make repeated fatal hits with a 9mm. Handgun rounds are all very underpowered and all that really matters is shot placement not power.
Trevor Meredith I partly agree brother I get what your putting put there but the stopping power if the first shot with the 9 doesn't put it down I'll half to take a follow up shot as to the 40 more power less chance of me having to shoot again they both have pros and cons but I side with the 40 9mm is a good round but I feel safer with a 40cal
The effect of the projectile on stopping a deadly threat relies on the penetration depth and expanded diameter not the muzzle energy. Stopping power is a myth.
Tim's bias against .40 is undisputed. In one 10mm video he demonstrates controllable follow-up shots, and in later (I think written) comments he explains how hard it is to get controllable follow-ups from a .40. I mean which is it?
Yes up to last week,I have had 0 problem finding 40 SW ammo...bought a box every pay...I'm sitting pretty good now compared to my 9mm and 38 Special...so glad I have one
That is a pretty good point. I like 9mm... I have several 9mm Glocks and one Kahr, but it might be wise to get .40 uppers for them just in case that's the only ammo available. Not likely, and I have reloading dies for both calibers, so even less so, but as we say, it's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
During the ammo scare I could find 40 everywhere. Everything else dried up but I could still run my 40. There is nothing wrong with it at all. People just jump on band wagons and right now 9mm is all the hype.
AmericanOutdoors1 Same thing with me. You remind me of a scene I saw at Cabela’s in January 2013. I bought five boxes of 40 and watch the clerk bring out two cases, 2000 rounds of 9 mm and as he was taking it out of the box and putting it on the shelf people were grabbing it off the shelf as fast as he was putting it on. By the time the clerk was done all 40 of those 9 mm boxes were gone. And they had a four box limit.
Same here. I bought my first pistol, a G23, sort of in the midst of the Obama ammo drought. Couldn't get 9, .223, .45, .380 or .22. Most of the time there was .40.
Same with 30-30 vs 5.56. A lever gun with a full tube, and lots of spare rounds is better than an AR 15 with empty magazines. Never have problems finding rounds for my 40, 380 or 44 mag.
.40 isn't dead it's just not as popular. I've carried all three ; 9mm, .40 and .45. We get to hung up ballistics when, for hand guns and self defense, the psychological effect of being shot or even shot at is enough to stop most perpetrators and if it's not just keep shooting. Carry what you can carry comfortably, shoot accurately, and afford to practice with frequently.
A lot of police switched back to 9mm because their officers can't handle the recoil of a .40. All they need to do is go to the range a few times a year to become better with their sidearm.
4 years later people still talk about how the .40 is dead but it seems to never change. Still decently popular to this day. It’s a wonderful round. You get decent capacity, the knock down and the weight all in one. I think it’s a great round.
I agree
It is my favorite Round.
Exactly the only ones that say 40 is dead are those that either never shot a 40 or those that are ignorant. Ive shot my friends 9mm and my 40 right after and felt less recoil in my 40 which isnt bad for a bigger amd heavier round
@@jhlalone360 true. 9 mil and 40 are so close in recoil that it really depends on the weapon size honestly.
@@jhlalone360 I do remember that when the FBI switched from 10mm to 40 S&W the so called "Experts" predicted that was the death of the 10mm. Well apparently that wasn't the case as new 10mm guns are being introduced almost monthly. I think the .40 will be with us for MANY years to come.
No, it’s not dead, but a lotta stuff that got shot by a .40 is.
Lol hell yeah bud
@@vols-deep and snitches and cops
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Good one.
*mic drop
Carried a .40 as my duty weapon for years and I have first hand knowledge of it's tactical use. Quite frankly, the FBI started hiring applicants based on computer skills rather than the ability to pull a trigger. Trainees could not handle a .40 proficiently and went to the 9mm. My agency followed suit and transitioned to 9mm. They gave us the opportunity to buy our .40 cal duty weapons, which I did and carried it on duty. Training is the key!
Agreed. And 'curiously', those hired for their 'computer skills' weren't really any more proficient with their issued 9mm's, LOL.
So I know this comment is old but I have a question for you. When your department switched to 9mm, you were only allowed to stick with a 40 if you bought your duty gun? And if the whole department switches to 9mm except a couple people, they still provide the 40 duty ammo? I don't know how any of this stuff works
They only went to .40 cuz no canna savvy 10mm
Even during both ammo shortages in the last 10 years, I could still find the 40 available. I love it.
40 seems very much alive every time I pull the trigger 🤷🏼♂️
For a second I thought Jeffery Epstein was on TH-cam. I was spooked for a moment. Sorry if I offended you effry jeppstien
Lol
Everytime I try to buy ammo.
😂😂 well said sir
You couldn’t have choose a firearm. Pressured into it you were.
Punching a bigger whole at a higher speed will always be better. And the argument that advancements in 9mm bullet technology make it comparable is moot because the .40 S&W AND EVERY OTHER CALIBER has also benefitted from that same technology equally.
redpyro911 you realize. 40s&w is only one millimeter in diameter bigger right? I don't see missing a vital organ close enough where the additional millimeter pays off happening very often. If one millimeter of diameter is the difference from harvester of souls and wounded, then the .45 acp must be double plus good because it is slightly over 1 mm bigger than. 40 s&w.
redpyro911 true that!
From what I understand though it isn't higher speed and that's the problem. Show me if I'm wrong. Not arrogant, but ignorant on my end.
That is true, but I think the point they are making is that 9mm is " good enough" and is much cheaper with much less recoil. If you want more power than a 9mm a .45 is better than a .40 with a negligible difference in price,and recoil.
@@Larry-gs8gb 40 seems better than 45 to me. After hearing about Miami Dade and 50 cent I don't trust 9mm to get it done
Own 9mm and 10mm.
40 sounds pretty good cause you don’t have the recoil as a 10mm. But you can obtain the same knock down power as a .45, however you can get quite a few more rounds in a 40. Vs a .45.
40 is no way dead.
What a 9 Mini Meter might hold one more round , in a gun fight you will be lucky to get off three rounds before it's over , you need to get those shots in a vital area accurately and quickly , Hero , Most likely both combatants will be hit , I hope it never happens , but I we live in a crazy world !!!
40sw also got advancements as well. When I hear that stupid argument 9mm got advancements so did every other carry caliber. It is just physics. you can put the same powder and bullet design in the 40sw., But 40sw inherently has a bigger bullet and bigger case, it will always be stronger than 9mm and the capacity is not too far off from 9mm. g22 holds 22 rounds, g17 holds 33 rounds.
aside from 45 +p, 40 sw loads have substantially more muzzle energy than most 45 loads do. most 165gr .40 loads are at least 450 ft lbs and 230gr 45 is barely cracking 400 most times
especially in CCW guns w short barrels, .45 becomes a lot weaker because the round has some absolutely MASSIVE velocity loss even going to a 4.25 in barrel much less say a 3.5 or 3 inch.
The 40 was designed from the ground up to be a man stopper it was specifically designed for self defense
Best thing about the .40 is barely anyone hoards the ammo 😂🤣
So right, it was the only ammo I could consistently get back in 2012-13
I noticed that when I got my m&p40
Never purchase ammo by the case huh...
seems to never go on sale like 9mm or .45 acp does.
More available for us when a SHTF national thing happens.
There is a much larger following of 40 SW then you know. Also i got behind on my pandemic ammo and i was able to stock completely up with 40 cal. Thanx for killing 40 sw.
Amen. I know more .40 folks than 9 or 45! (In my circle)
amen 40 is dead just quit buying em!!!!! more ammo for me!!!! lol
Yup. Still plenty of ammo on the shelves for .40 s&w. Not much else though
I just got my CCW and bought a FNS 40 cuz it's damn near the only gun that had ammo
@@wakandawildman2043, same here. lol
,40 may be "dead" in some peoples mind, but not mine. I carry a .40 quite regularly, and I carry a 9 and .45. I love my .40. Will never die.
40 works, period. But lots of cartridges work fine. Personally, I like 9mm, because I learned that consolidating ammo makes shopping and stocking WAY easier for me. I have a Kahr PM9 9mm for daily carry (3.1" barrel, 6 rounds), a Glock 34 9mm for home defense (4.5" barrel, 17 rounds), and a KelTec Sub-2000 9mm carbine for camping/bugout bag (16" barrel, 33 rounds), and its great I only need to worry about one ammunition type and two of them can share magazines and suppressors to boot, and that's just practical. 9mm is also inexpensive to plink, and available everywhere.
People were saying 10mm was dead years ago. Didn't stop me from buying a G20 even back then!
Even .45 GAP isn't _dead._
Lots of 40 owners here lol
I never follow the crowd, I've always enjoyed .40 s&w.
Modern 9mm works just fine
when this guy said he had no ammo of 40 you kinda knew which way this was going...i have them all and 40 is a great round love the 155 grain though perfect for caliber
I prefer. 380
azntactical not for me. .380 bodyguard with an extra mag in my pocket is my edc.
Same here brother. My edc is a retired service Glock 35 and it does the job very well and only set me back $200.
Why is 2 extra rounds way important but 100 ft lbs of energy not?
You could make the argument that in a self defense situation more rounds are better, since 80% are misses even by law enforcement.
But that doesn't mean the 40 should be trashed.
Right the 9 guys would rather have 16+ rounds to miss Thier targets with instead of 14+1 rounds of 100% of stop the bad guys rounds. 🤔🤔.
@@Darkpara1 average firing distance for cops is probably way higher than civilians
@JKay11235 I 100% agree with you, most people cant hit shit.
@@Darkpara1 you have to realize what is getting hired by the law enforcement agencies these days ( no offense ) but little women and soft hand men which both have not ever fired a firearm in Thier lives and hardly spend time at the shooting range because they think they will be able to shot like the Hollywood cops/FBI guys and hit between the eyes shot every time. And they think just because they have 17 rounds of 9mm they will never have to reload.
Wayyyyyyyyyy too many 40cal guns out there for it to ever die.
Lazerrus Laslonin stockpile 40 ammo!
You didn't hear a thing Eric said. He said it's loosing a LOT of interest in the public. So stockpile if you want, buy everything up. You'll be the minority left using it for better or worse.
Personally it's really not the expensive to shoot and really not snappy. Been runnin 40 for the last 5 years and for 2 rounds less then 9mm? Why not. I like 9 and alot of other stuff but 40 is kinda my pet load been runnin the same gen 3 23 since I got into the caliber no problems at all. But I do buy in bulk because sometimes I do wonder if itll quit bein made because how many people dont like it. And dont buy it I've takin everything from beavers to deer with it and have seen tons of people kill hogs and bear with it. To me it's an awesome round. And like he said way less exspensive to shoot then 10mm and alot less recoil.
True.. however my next pistol will be 10mm.. seeing how 10mm is all the rage
They will all break. Faster than if chambered in 9mm .40 cal tears up guns.
I think its a great round. I work at Cabelas and there are a lot of customers of all ages looking for some .40 ammo.
Carry lots of Federal HST. It should sell very well. It is my current carry Load.
its a phenomenal cartridge. its always flying off the shelves at sportsmans
If you don't own a .40 S&W... not even a single round of ammunition.. why do a video on it? I love your videos, but let's keep it real.
I carried a .40 for many years. It is more powerful than a 9mm.
xactly, I have M&P shield 9mm and .40cal and I carry the .40 over the 9mm. I think its the price of ammo with most calibers.
Right, I thought he should of at least grabbed a 40 cal for the video.
@@williesumlin7892 I like the fact that you have the same gun when practicing at the range with the 9mm. Also the .40 magazine fits in the 9mm, use it at the range, without stopping to reload magazines as often. I don't carry with the borrowed magazine in the gun.
I've been a certified Glock Amourer since 2005. And .40 S&W was referred to as .40 Broke&Weapon long before that due to poor internal ballistics.
While I respect them and like most of their videos, I can’t believe he didn’t actually test any instead of using book values. Paul Harrell did an excellent 40SW vs 9mm. In most measures, the difference was negligible, as shown in studies of defensive handgun fights: there just isn’t a big difference all the way from 380ACP to 45ACP. One big difference was in barrier penetration where the 40SW significantly outperformed the 9mm.
I carry either a 45ACP or a 380 ACP, but I’d have no qualms carrying my Browning Hi-Power in 40SW.
As a red-headed step child, I prefer the 40 cal.
Still a .40 fan
Im more than happy to keep buying pistols in .40 for next to nothing. Js
yep, and when the zombies arrive and you cant find 9mm on the shelves...
I’m seeing .40 police trade in flocks for $300 all over can’t beat thatvprice
John Wason just over an hour ago i bought another glock 22 on gunbroker for $260. I can get a 9mm conversion barrel for $85 and have 2 glocks (caliber wise) for under $350.
Practice mostly with 9mm and carry .40. Best of both worlds.
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Try 357 sig. it's a fun caliber
Anthony C if it’s trash you’d let someone shoot you with it right?
40 S&W will never die! There’s always room in my collection for 40S&W . Fun to shoot and the recoil isn’t much more than a 9. Must be some little dudes complaining about recoil.
Bunch of pusses... I literally have never noticed a difference. And I even own two xds mod 2 pistols.. little single stack guns. One in 40 and one in 9mm. There's no real difference.. 9mm +p defense ammo recoils every bit as hard as 40.. which is none at all.. these are auto pistol rounds. It's like saying the 556 is too snappy or something..
My wife doesn’t like my .40 because of the recoil 😂 seems like a lot of these boys on TH-cam. How is it that it’s short and wimpy, but with wrist snapping recoil?? Seems like the TH-cam boys don’t actually know anything about.40, or recoil, or applied ballistics. They’re just repeating the nonsense they heard on the last .40 vs 9 video they watched.
@@HoffnerPrecisionlol mine is the complete opposite she is insulted if you don’t offer a .40 first.😂😂
There is a lull in the market, caused by the myth that it’s a dead cartridge due to the FBI switching back to 9x19 for logistical reasons. If you run the numbers, .40 S&W does exactly what it was designed to do, 9mm velocity, .45 Muzzle energy, with mid range bullet weights, and roughly 30% better performance than 9x19. With a minimal reduction in ammo capacity, in a small frame pistol. Think Glock 19 vs 23, and the 15+1 vs 13+1 capacity. I’m a big bore guy for life. .40 or .45 are my carry rounds unless I’m on the job where I carry .357 Sig, but if I get into competition shooting, 9x19 makes the most sense unless I want to run majors. 9x19 is absolutely enough cartridge, I also carry a 9mm Browning pocket pistol from time to time. But anyone claiming 9mm performs “just as well” as .40 or .45 is sorely mislead, and likely already heavily invested in the 9mm life.
also a better subsonic round. 30 grains more is about 20% more bounce compared to 9mm subsonic
@@Samsquad7 🤡🤡🤡🤡
You also have to ask yourself, does 9mm perform just as well.. at what? With 9mm, you don't get the same muzzle energy, with similar grain weights you don't get the same velocity, and you don't get the same diameter projectile. So far, it's looking like 9mm simply does not stack up. Yes, you generally get more capacity, and you don't get quite as much recoil, but what are we carrying these things for? It's probably wise to check out real world statistics on rates of failure to immediately incapacitate in civilian/police defensive situations. In Greg Ellifritz' study titled "An Alternate Look at Handgun Stopping Power" we see that 9mm and .40 S&W both fail to incapacitate 13% of the time. .40 S&W is about 5% more likely to incapacitate with 1 shot to the head/torso, but it seems reasonable to argue that incapacitation=success. Based on that metric and that metric alone, it's perfectly accurate to say 9mm is just as good as .40 S&W. Seeing as 9mm is cheaper, I can shoot a little better with it, I get more rounds, and the round is no less likely to do its job, I carry a 9mm and feel good about it.
Very Well said
Liked it in the beginning. Now im getting into the .40 even more for a utility cartridge. I'm a 10mm primarily but the 40 shines far above the 9mm in my humble opinion.
Not insulting the 9, but their are better choices.
Well said.
Well yeah9mm better than 380 40 better than 9mm 45 better than 40 10mm better than all so what’s your point
The problem with calibers bigger than 9mm or 357 mag is the guns are usually too big to conceal carry I like thin and small lightweight guns.
Handgun cartridge size is irrelevant. Shot placement and hitting vital organs are what determine effectiveness. 9mm is the standard for a reason.
@@TheRedduckGaming They do make subcompact 40's
Can only carry 10 rounds in a mag in NY, so it's .40 for me
Exactly! Same thing for me when I still lived in California. Now I'm in Oregon, so I've gone with 9mm 15+1.
If i was in NY i'd carry a Taurus Raging Judge with some hot .454 🤣 take away my capacity ill replace it more ft lbs per shot
1 0 m m, pussy
if I had a capacity limit I'd probably get a 1911.
Blue-Collar Gaming same here In LA. This whole video isn’t even mentioning our struggles, lol. Also, the same for my XD40 or XD9 same price came with 5mags & funny cause everyone was on the same sale buying the 9mm while I’m thinking it’s 10 to a mag no matter the cal which killed me wanting a 9mm. I went with the 40
I carry .40. The two extra rounds that are available in 9mm in a concealable compact is not worth the loss in power for me. It's not that much more expensive to shoot, and good defensive rounds can be bought for less than $1/round.
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Also I like 40 cause when that ammo drought happened you could always find 40
Ditto. ... 40 has been kind to me and my p229. Now let's just through this damn virus.
"Muh ammo's cheap, and muh police service weapon!"
You can find 10mm too, and it’s a better round
@@sasquatch-7416 I love that gun and never seen one in real life. Is it really that much more snappy than the 226?
@@anthonysmith3132 virtually the same gun. The 226 and the 229 suck up the recoil like very few other guns in that size. They are both thick slabs of butter. I put an e2 grip on the 229 and its wonderful. I think the word snappy fits more with lightweight guns chambered in calibers too high. The fat 229 was designed specifically for the 357 sig round I believe. I love shooting screamin 357 sig. I ignore the hate that it gets. 🤘🏼👽🤘🏼
I have a Glock 22 .40 . I love the firearm and the round. I'm an older man and used to be only a revolver owner. I'd never sell it.
Same here .357 was my favorite. Looking for a revolver and came across police trade in Glocks for less than no-name revolvers. Would rather have a $300 used Glock than a new $300 generic revolver with mixed reviews.
Plus, if you reload you can get the 40 very close to the 10mm and .357. Just look up data for Longshot. The only advantage for 10mm is you can run heavier bullets. The only advantage for 357 is better down range trajectory.
Ever since we worked on a guy shot pointblank 9 times with a 9mm no exits and was still sitting up talking to us I decided 40cal was a better round than 9mm.
I love my 40 S&W!
That's why anecdotes are a bad point for making any kind of decision. I can find similar tales involving .357 Magnum, .45 ACP, and .40 S&W.
For how long? Ha unless they used hardball I highly doubt this. even then he'd expire in minutes
Isn't it better when there's no exits? It dumps all it's energy into the body
Bullshit.
@Brandon S It happens more often than you would think. I'll track them down later. Too damn early.
With all this covid19 panic I looked at ammo while at the hardware store today. A whole shelf dedicated to 9mm was empty. Found 100 round packs of.40 though. I win.
What the hell kind of hardware store do you shop at?
@@blakedavis2447 the good kind. We have an atv power sports shop here in my town that also sells guns and ammo lol
You have a bat with razor wire but no .40 caliber... makes sense
Bwahahaha..
Zing!
@Evocati says the 9mm fanboy. Actually you probably prefer the .380 dont ya?
That is what they call a football bat. This one is clearly a military style assault weapon.
He also carries a .38 revolver, but doesn't like .40 because of reduced capacity by 2 rounds. lmao
Why didn't you just name the video "I'm incredibly biased against 40?" If you don't like the round just say that. Stop trying to hedge your bets...
Mike B that’s what I was thinking.
He always does this. But the all time classic roundabout hate videos is the gun slang video where they absolutely shit on black people.
@@t.r.d.z.1630 Muh racisms is bad
Agree!
Those same improvements to the propellants and design in the 9mm are also used in the same bullet in other calibers. So the improvements in the 9mm are also improvements in the 40 and 45.
Yeah, he is a moron. 40 sw inherently has a bigger bullet and bigger case. It will always be stronger than 9mm. Also the capacity is not too far off from 9mm. I carry a g23 with a kkm 9mm conversion barrel. I use 200 grain 40 sw for woods carry not in griz country. 9mm for everything else. One gun satisfies all my self defense needs.
“It’s a little snappy” says the guy who doesnt own a 40. That's funny.
"I don't have a single round in 40 Cal. I'm not a 40 Cal guy," but here's my unbiased opinion of a round I don't have in a pistol that I don't own.
I love how you 40 haters keep trashing it. Keep doing it. 40 is plentiful. 40 has become much cheaper. 40 is not dead, it is very much alive. I have a lot of pistols, chambered in everything from 22lr to 45acp. My absolute favorite pistol is my Springfield XD 40 subcompact. It goes everywhere with me. If I ever have to use it I honestly doubt the person on the other end will have time too say, "No. You cannot shoot me with a 40. 40 is dead, bruh."
Michael Large xd40 gang lol. It is an amazing handgun my first one and first love I’ll never sell it.
Michael I couldn't agree with you more. Although I own everything from a 9 to .45 ACP, my EDC for the past 27 years has been a Glock 23 .40 S&W. I bought a second generation G23 in 1993 and kept it until a year ago when I traded it in for a 4th generation G23. A 9mm never even entered into my thoughts.
I stopped watching after "I don't have a single round in 40 Cal." Definitely an unqualified opinion. I own, shoot, and carry everything from .380 to .45 (including 10mm) and they all have their purpose. Obviously shot placement and ammunition selection are important. I mostly carry a G27 in 40 S&W and have better shot placement than I do with 9mm, because I've trained for it. Follow up shots are a little slower with 40 S&W, but chances are you won't need a follow up shot!
Actually he said he's shot plenty of 40's but said he'd never own one so I guess he has somewhat experience wth a 40
I love a g22 myself
You seriously couldn't muster up one round of .40 for the video?
I find them like lost quarters in my truck.
I don't even own a 40...but I have 40 ammo. I'm a freak of nature, I guess.
Once one learns to tame the recoil, you'll never look back. I wish our M9's had been .40. I'd have a few more friends who came back.
Lucky my days we used 45.
40 is my favorite because I can put a 357 sig. barrel in I can put a 9 mm conversion barrel in as well you cannot do that with a 9 mm frame
@Evocati What about when the world goes to shit and you run out of 9mm?
Same, love the Versatility.
You can do it from the frame. Its the slide and barrel and mags that count. How about the extrater........
Absolutley
I have several .40s. Have no intention of trading them for 9mms. I don't really care what law enforcement is doing.
This guy convinced me to go buy a glock 23.....40 cal
Gary Blevins most Glocks have the ability to swap barrels from 40 to 9mm this is why many do by a 40 cal. Fyi last shortage the 40 cal was still available. I shoot 40 and 45acp aswell as 460 Rowland. The most important factor is accurate placement regardless of how eveybody has to HYPE OF WHATS BEST. Eric never ever mentioned the 960 Rowland which is a 9mm of riods that can fire 9mm and 960. My 460 Row fires 45 acp 45 cap plus p. And 460. Check out Mr. Gunslingers channel on this.
Excellent choice.
FOR SURE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD ANYONE BAD MOUTH THE 40 SW
9MM I'VE GOT 3 OF THEM AND I LOVE THEM, BUT IF I WANT HOME PROTECTION I'LL GRAB MY 40 SW WITH A MAG OF 17 ROUNDS EVERY TIME. FOR A COYOTE OR A MAN. AND YES I SAID 17 ROUNDS I8 ROUNDS WITH 1 IN THE PIPE.
BUT I'VE GOT 17 ROUND 9MM AS WELL.
IT'S NOT JUST THE ROUNDS,,, ITS THE KICK ASS PENATRATING POWER OF THE 40 SW.
Gary FNS makes a better 40 caliber then the Glock 23. You should try it. Shoots much smoother then the Glock. My G23 collects dust now that I carry my FNS 40.
You will love that gun. I enjoy my g22 and g23.
.40 S&W is my favorite caliber,and is my #1 go to round. Faster than a .45 more punch than a 9mm whats not to like? Years ago while debating what type of firearm to buy as my first pistol I came across an odd situation at my work that made my mind up for me. The hospital I worked at was county affiliated so prisoners were brought there when injured. Anyway we received one suspect that had 6 officers guarding him. Turned out he was a high level MS13 member that had just had a shoot out with the Police. He was shot and hit by no less than 14 9mm rounds. Yet was sitting up talking as if it was just another day. He even had a wound that went through his hand and struck him square in the forehead as he tried to shield himself, but the round(9mm) did not penetrate and kill him. I decided right then and there .40sw was the way to go for me. This is a true story, when I asked one of the officers what happened he just nodded to his partner and said someone needs to go practice at the range more.
Poparod Cassidy
I think people may eventually end up using .40 again your story tells that. Velocity can have devastating effects but in that guys case the bones in his hand took out enough velocity of the 9mm that it couldn't crack his skull, now for the case of future trolls that will surely come that will down play what I've said up to now .45 is a bone crusher and .40 has more mass than 9mm so obviously will carry that mass further, not as far as the .45 but it will get the job done.
If those are your criteria, why not get 357sig, 7.62x25, 9x25 Dillon, or 10mm?
Its not about how many. Its about where. Bullet hits his hand, it lost energy and the forehead is stronger than you think, its the worst place to shoot someone in the head. However, the .40 will travel deeper and hit harder but if it misses vitals then you're in the same boat as the 9.
If it works for you great ....BUT Less Punch than a .45 not as Fast as a 9mm.
Odd calibers that are expensive or hard to find,no thx. Although the CZ 52 in 7.62x25 is a bad ass looking little pistol when you can find them. I remember when they came onto the surplus market you could get one for under 100 bucks,now they go for 325-400+ when you can find them.
Too many FBI agent "Recoil complaints." Like saying everything in the gym is "Too heavy." Snappy...
Steve Fortney I just say get better quality 40 ammo the problem ppl don’t want to do that
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I can keep the same course scores regardless of using 9mm or .40SW. Both calibers have defensive loads that achieve 18" of penetration. It all comes down to cost, mag cap and barrel wear.
@@MeridianPanther I agree with you, sometimes you have to try different ammo to find the best one for you and you gun, lucky my 40 SDVE eats anything I put through it but I chooses WWB 180 grain JHP'S for my personal protection because it is ( to me ) the best one , and I say again ( TO ME ) every one else can use whatever they want to.....
Actually they cried about 10mm, not .40......The .40 Just dont have enough over the 9mm.
Everything that applies to the 9mm also applies to the 40sw especially if you are a reloader. Keep your forties and start reloading some really good ammo.
40 is not dead. You don't like it, but it's' not dead. Go pick on 45 GAP.
If you have a loyalty to a bullet diameter, then lol.
I don't like 40 either but that 45 gap comment had me in stitches. Thank you I really needed a laugh.
The FBI created this round, and even they abandoned it! A LOT of PD's followed suit... Well, the smart ones! Exactly why California didn't...
Thomas Arcturus that and wasn’t their a .50 gi?
+Justin Your are a moron you have to take into consideration the advances in bullet design in the last 15 years.
9, 40 and 45 are here to stay.
Bill Griner - 45 was antiquated 30 years ago. 40 was just hype before it died.
which, if I remembered correctly, is only used by two guns in the entire world
Steven Li - FN's patent expires in 2021 then more companies will be able to use it.
you mean...fn actually has a patent on that cartridge? all right then thanks for the info
No one remembers the AR57 ;_;
I’m a .40 Man for many years for CCW. G23 / G27. It has unique properties which cause me to use it.
Due to the fact that most gunfights are over in a few seconds, I prefer the knockdown/stopping power of the .40 over the 9mm. Also, I have large hands, and I find the .40 to be a very comfortable round to shoot. As with any caliber, proficiency comes with practice, and so does confidence in your weapon's performance and accuracy. I cut my teeth shooting the 1911 .45, and the .40 recoil is much closer to the .45 than the 9mm. I love the 9mm for plinking at the range...BUT! For me, in a life and death situation - where one round needs to be able to stop the threat - I'm much more confident using the .40 over the 9mm.
This is good news more 40cal rounds for me
Lex Luther my thoughts exactly
I'll take 15 rounds of 40 over 17 of 9mm for defense any day. More total ft lbs of power.
Note- I compete with 9mm, but I protect with 40.
By that logic 5 rds of 500 S&W is even better
@@Skinnymoose
Ummm No. Wrong tool for the job.
You missed the point. For 2 legged animal defence 9mm and 40 can be close in 3 key attributes, round count, recoil, and energy/terminal ballistics. I can control both equally well for follow up shots, and I'll give up 2 rounds for more energy and superior ballistics of the 40.
IF I were defending against a Kodiak bear I would take my S&W 500 5 rounds over my Delta Elite 8 rounds of 10mm even though the 500 is much harder to control.
@Michael Srite No,No, No...you arent getting it. You COMPETE with 9mm but you PROTECT with 40....more total ft pounds of power.....understand?
I think the point is: IF power is your preference...why not 15 rounds of 10mm? Or even .357sig. But when it comes to the standard 3 (9mm .40 .45) there isn't enough difference to negate the cons of the .40
@Michael Srite its only two shots if you truly train accuracy and reloads that difference is negligible
My home is protected with an M&P40.
And mine with an MP40
Same
Sig p229 in 40s&w
Full size MP40, carry that everywhere with me
I do the same with 2 guns
If anyone remembers when Sig came out with the P229 in .40 S&W it was in a lot of law enforcement holsters. Like A LOT! When we shot 40 next to a 9mm the 40 was more of a gentle push in the 9 mm was a snap. We used the Sig P229 in .40 & the Sig P228 at the time in 9mm. Both the same size guns and I was more accurate with the .40. All it gets down to is personal preference at the end of the day. I’ve got both & I shoot both.
We switch to the .40 Sigs when I was in the Coast Guard. I love .40 and that’s all I own now.
I own a police trade-in P229 in .40. And I love the thing. I agree it's more of a push than a snap. Even though the recoil force may be greater its delivery isn't as sharp.
My favorite .40 caliber round is 10mm, but I don't mind .40 S&W. I have both the Glock 20 and a Glock 22. But 10mm is an absolute beast.
I've owned a glock20 & a g23 since the 90s back when 9mm was considered weak & still is in my book. I don't think 10mm or 40cal recoil much.
I have the glock 20 in 10mm but my favorite is my rock island double stack 18 10mm.
@Simo actually the prices of 10mm ammo isn't all that bad since the caliber is becoming more popular. I can get a 50 round box of S&B 180 grain 10mm for around $17 where I live.
@Simo 10mm is definitely one hell of a round. It is one of the most powerful semiauto rounds out there with some very impressive ballistic performance. Some of the hotter 10mm rounds are capable of hitting on the low range of .41 magnum. Also if you watch some of the ballistic gel testing both .40 S&W and big brother 10mm expand quite well compared to other calibers.
A 40. can be converted to another caliber with a mag and a barrel. I loved my 40. when ammo was short because i could always find ammo
Got a Lone Wold Alpha 9mm barrel for my Glock 22 (factory refurb police trade), shoot sweet.
I have an Alpha Wolf 9mm conversion for my Glock 23, which works great in my G27. Cheaper ammo for practice. .40 for home defense, CCW. Oh yeah.
You will own guns that they don't even make ammo for anymore but you won't own a .40. Sounds pretty stupid to me
Interesting. There is a good article written by Bob Campbell in the ConcealedCarry called "OLD FRIEND" Don't neglect the 40.
My first firearms where an S&W model 10 revolver and a Mossberg 12 Gauge. At the time when I was looking for a semi-auto handgun, everyone was buying all of the 9mm ammo and I ended up with an S&W full-size .40cal and a Springfield XD.
And here we are again with all that's going on in the world, 9mm ammo is difficult to find and what do you think will happen this November?
I no longer have a desire to own a 9mm. 40 cal and 357magnum are my personal defense choices.
Not very professional. Old news, or, more accurately, old opinions. Anybody who shoots 9 mm, .40 and .45 regularly more or less in the same quantities (reloading strongly suggested) knows .40 has no practical disadvantages and is more performant than 9 mm, regardless of alleged bullet technology improvements. My reloads in .40 are actually milder than my 9 mm. The comparison with .45 is more complex but typically the convenience to carry is higher with .40. Bashing .40 is just a stupid trend of the last years with no true technical point in it.
N D88 Exactly !
Is .40 dead? Not in my house. I live in Commiefornia, so capacity isn’t an issue anyway. Lol but not lol
God bless my friend. Come to Utah.
Also in CA, thats when 1911s actually become a reasonable defense handgun.
I reload 10mm and 40sw and have a number of guns chambered in both. Absolutely love both of these rounds! I agree with TrustinMyGat, “How he gonna talk 40 n not have a 40 bullet or gun”
I second that
He is a gun shop owner and professional... dumb ass
You can compare the specs of the guns/rounds without owning one. There is metric tons of data out there to support any argument you want to argue for and against the .40.
If he does not like them, why would he have one?
I live in a state that restricts mags to 10rds so I prefer extra stopping power of 10mm 40cal or sig357
It better not be dead I love the recoil of the 40 S&W
I was in the army when we gave up the 45 for the 9mm. The next thing we had to learn was the double tap. Nuff said.
The Double tap (outdated) and Now the Controlled pair are used IN TRAINING. It teaches proper recoil managed follow up shooting and target transitions AT MINIMUM EXPENSE. SOP calls for 1 shot on each present target within your FoF then "burndown" in reverse order. 1 target in your FoF calls for immediate "burndown" (5 shots min). Ancoring shots (mercy shots) being the 3rd and final target sweep administered in a multiple target environment.
Also, SOF units are the only front echelon personnel that are issued pistols. Even Officers in conventional combat units are required to carry the M4 carbine. So either a Soldier qualifies with the M9 Berretta only once ever in AIT. Or trains constantly and requalifies every deployment cycle with a G19(now) or the prior issued Sig 226.
Yeah, wasn’t Jeff Cooper teaching double tap shooting, long before the Army dropped the Colt?
Clown: that’s because you had to use FMJ standard ammo. But Ashe saison this video you didn’t watch, the reason the 9mm has made a comeback is because of the new bullet designs and propellants that make it much more effective than the older cartridges.
Ok boomer
You couldn't borrow a round of .40 for the video? SMH
Sociopath Mercenary I know right?!? Gonna do video on a gun you don’t have next?
You'd think Moss would have loaned him a box.
Pretty sure Jerry Miculek has taught us all that it's not the caliber, it's the person holding it. Considering how many reports we see of multiple rounds with not many hits, maybe we should worry less (not at all) about caliber and concentrate WAY more on accuracy, eh?
love my glock 22 and my smith & wesson 40cal m2.o
I find a lot of .40 pistols on sale for cheap. THANK YOU 9mm sheeps. 40 not dead just not in fashion.
Duh
Doesn't own a 40, doesn't like 40 and doesn't own a single gun chambered in 40......lectures us for over 20 minutes on why it's dead. I have owned g23 and 27, I don't csre for 40....I like 9mm and 45 acp, but I'm not telling you that 40 is dead....there are plenty of folks who love 40. Is it dead? No
ghostrider_118 Jay i
I keep seeing from stores, reading articles, etc.there are improvements in 9mm ammo. This first of all makes the suggestion it was needed for quite sometime. But also wont we potentially get the same boost in the 40 with the better technology? Is that being done?
Exactly bro. They jus touched up 9 first cuz it was in more need🤣🤣
That should mean the 40 will be an even better stopper for those man enough to use it.
Yes the best self defense 9mm rounds are as powerful as a weak range 40 cal bullet. 40 at 1100 fps at 165 grain is 500 ft pounds
I bought a Glock 23 and 22 based on the fact that with a barrel conversion, and different magazines, you can have two guns in one.
E B and during the last shortage, .40 was the only game going at the ammo store for a while.
Actually 3 guns in one 9, .357, and 40
E B 357 sig not mag.
Actually 4 guns in one, don’t forget the .22 LR
Or buy 1 pistol, ammo by the case not the box and training courses. Trust me, in a gunfight by the time you need to mag change there will be another gun laying on the ground, without training and good tactics it'll be yours.
I’ve taken a number of deer with my 40.
They laugh at 9mm jelly beans.
Besides when it comes to critical time, if your first two shots aren’t good your last two just get more dangerous
I have taken bear with my 10mm they laugh at 40 caliber.i love my rock island double stack 18 round 10 mm.
@@jackhook4192 oh yeah, well i've taken down a lion with a 13mm and they laugh at your 10mm.
The difference in price between the 40 and 9 ammo in my area is less than 2 dollars a box..
And typically the 40s are on sale at the same price or cheaper...
So I will stick with my Glock 27 40 cal...
Been carrying a .40 since 1991 and it has always served me well!
I miss barry.
👍
I do to. He died a few weeks after I started watching this channel.
A lot of folks miss him.
Jason Dude, Barry WILL NEVER DIE! He'll live on through TH-cam until the end of time... :'-)
I still like my Glock 23, but I respect your position. I reload, so ammo is relatively cheap for me. I also like that my Glock 23 can shoot 9mm and 357 Sig with only a barrel change. I couldn't afford lots of sidearms when I started, so I got one I could practice with at the range and carry concealed. Everyone has their reasons for their choices. Keep up the good work.
Love the .40...I've been carrying a G23 for years.
I have the gen 3 22 model and I love mine😁
Tar Heel Realist 40 s&w here ✋🏾
Same here gen 3 g23
Just picked up 1040 rnds of .40S&W for $300. Another tool in the toolbox.
Unbelievable price!
.40 S&W most definitely is NOT dead -- it's a fine caliber, well suited for its intended purpose
I agree. As a guy who doesn't even own a .40 and probably never will, I think too many people are/were eager to jump on the .40 hate bandwagon. It does its job just fine.
James: Is there something the .40S&W can't do well or extremly well? I think it can do it all.
The cheapest run of the mill .40 fmj will out perform just about any 9mm vs a hog or black bear/ human sized target. PERIOD
@@salg.5153 I'd take a quality JHP in any of the service pistol calibers over an FMJ of the same for anti-personnel work.
@@SaftonYT I'm fine with either one. I sometimes carry fmj,sometimes jhp. At this time, my Glock 23 on my side has Winchester 180 white box jhp in the mag. On my other side is an extra mag. Loaded with 180 fmj. I have no doubt either load will do just fine if I do my part.
I love my 40’s and in my local gun shop the 9 is the same price as the 40
I would go to 40 cal
40sw is definitely a dead caliber. Nobody should ever use it again.
If you want to sell your guns at fire sale prices, I will reluctantly take them from you.
Hell yeah! I bought a USP for $389 thanks to the .40 hate. I like 9mm fine but I'm sick of people acting like .40 is weak. Compared to 10mm, yeah it's weaker. But compared to 9mm, no it's not. I don't follow the crowd especially in regards to dumping .40 for 9mm. 9mm is great, but .40 edges it out IMO. I always laugh when I here "9mm+p+ is just as good as .40!" But then hitch about . 40 being snappy and hard on guns. What the heck is +p+ doing? Anyhow, take care.
Both are pipsqueaks compared to a 357 mag, 45 colt +P or a 44 mag, it is all relative. Those 3 make most of the pistol cartridges look weak.
@@timclaus8313 You miss 10mm, 500 Magnum or 50 cal
Yep.. 325 out the door for a sr40c with crimson trace laser..
LMAO. Well done :-)
Never had trouble getting .40 ammo and I've used it for wild hogs has great 1 shot stopping power but with any gun bullet placement is everything.
How he gunna talk .40. And not have a 40. Bullet or gun.. OK
"Hey, I've never owned or shot a .40, so let me tell you why it sucks.".
I’ve been learning to tune out some of these guys and their opinions. Learn and take what you want or what helps you. If you’re buying a 40 S&W chambered pistol, just go for the longer barrel if you can. I’m not getting rid of any of my 40 cal pistols even if all US LE agencies get rid of them. Enjoy your shooting.
@@jaimeroman2406 Exactly this horse has been beaten to death , bought 9 mm 's back in the 80 's , 1st glock .40 in 95 {glock 23} , i dont buy trends , but i do love scooping up the deals that abound due to swings of the sheeple , 9 has advanced in technology , and so has .40 , carry on .
@dill rogerz exactly which internals
dill rodgers : ?
I love the 40 caliber.
Not as long as i have an ammo plant in my garage it isn't.
You got that brother, i turn out 500 40 cal in a day on my dillon press
rustyshackleford1978 Handloading is completely illegal in Massachusetts without an FOID/LTC.... We can't even get the components mailed in....
As a deputy I’ve carried 9mm in every dept I’ve worked at . However I qualified at the academy with a 40 cal , my personal truck gun is a m&p 40 . Here lately I’ve been moving to 9mm because it’s holds more rounds and has less recoil. I can put more rounds on target with my glock 17 9mm than I can with my m&p 40cal . I also switched to a 9mm m&p shield for my daily concealed carry.
What is the point of a truck gun?
@@bloopy6166 personal defense
I’ve seen plenty of gen 2 & gen 3 glock 22s that are beat to hell still running like a new pistol at police qualification ranges.
I’ve had new women shooters shot my g22 and loved it.
10mm short is not dead.
I've had two G22s love them! Never jammed not once. Love my 31 rd mags too..
Just bought a 40 cal... And I'm a bit confused as to why 9mm ammo can make such drastic improvements while 40 caliber ammo cannot. Non sequitur. The 40 is a better round.
The 40 has seen just as many improvements as 9 has. The same new, improved bullets and powders go into 40 as in 9mm, if they will work in the 9. The 40 has improved as well but the 9 used to be so ineffective that it has gone up in effectiveness more than the 40. If you buy premium self defense 9mm and regular 40 hollow point then both rounds are very similar, but if you turn around and buy premium 40 ammo it steps out ahead again. I like both Hornady Critical Defense or Critical Duty or Remington Golden Saber. If you haven't seen it, search for Paul Harrell's video on 9mm vs. 40 s&w and see just how effective each round is on a human analogue made of meat. Very good information.
@@jonathanstancil8544 I sub good ole 'meat target' Paul.
.40 is no more dead than 9mm. It's just not "en vogue". Gun people can be as bad as fasion people (fasionistas?). There is always something newer and cooler and "better-er" out there.
If you get hit center mass with a .40 or a 9mm, or even a .22 lr, you probably won't make it far. But whatever
Bryan Heimann i’ve said something similar; .40S&W will regain popularity in time. It’s just trendy right now to preferred 9 mm and rag on 40.
Bryan Heimann Gun people=blastanistas.
Bryan Heimann and I can get a box of 50 for 15 buck,s or box of a100 for 32 buck,s for 40 hell I pay more then that for 22 ammo I love the 40 will always be my caliber for a handgun
Law enforcement agencies adopted the 9 because it's cheaper. Not because its better than the 40
Did he say significantly more recoil? C'mon, what's the first thing someone buying a 9mm does? They purchase +p ammo , which in my experience feels very similar in recoil to the standard velocity 40. Then why not take the larger, more efficient projectile in the first place?
dan kinsler I have shot both .40 and 9mm +p out of the same gun, my Glock 27, my carry gun; and there is no comparison. The +p is a little bit harsher than 115 range fare ammo, but still nowhere near the .40 ammo.
The day .40 died for me was when I realized that my 27 kicked more than a 10mm Glock 20.
@@509Gman Or maybe use your brain and realize that the glock 27 is much smaller than a glock 20 so its gonna kick more. I dont know what ammo you used but a lot of factory 10mm is underpowered.
That's the trouble, the first thing they should buy is a case of ball ammo and a training course. I'll take an ounce of tactics over a pound of tool anyday of the week.
Just get a 45 you pussy
Nothing wrong with 9mm but, I'll pack the Glock29 or G27 in 10mm & 40cal all day in favor of 9mm.
I have a Ruger sr9c, sr40, and sr45. Of those 3 in same configuration, I shoot the .40 the best. I feel very comfortable with it and really can't feel much recoil difference. I guess maybe I'm just not that sensitive to it.
Gotta love the SR series. And really got to love the price
kid you not---I was going to shoot a video on this topic on Wednesday---you beat me to it!!!
Mrgunsngear Channel you should still do it, but a more complimentary video of the .40. It'll make us .40 guys happy and still get a bunch of other people telling you you're wrong :)
Mrgunsngear Channel You might as well. They copied someone also.
Ya, good to get different opinions, even if they are the same. But I doubt a bunch of youtuber's saying they don't prefer 40cal will kill that caliber. It has a well deserved reputation for being a fight stopper. In fact, it kinda makes me want to go buy a FNS-40 or maybe a CW40.
Do it...
You should still do it. You should touch on the fact that alot of guys that like 40. can also get 9mm and 357sig. drop in barrels for some of the 40. pistols out there. 3 calibers in one gun is awesome.
As of today, 3/31/22, 9mm ammo is MORE expensive than .40 cal. I buy my ammo online and will never shoot anything other that my .40s. When a new gun owner shoots the .40, they complain about the snappiness, but like everything else it takes practice.
Loved all my 40’s! The S&W SD40VE handles the 40 recoil like a champ! It’s a solid, heavy weight frame to compliment the 40 round
dh_ yambrisak same here the sd40ve is my only pistol at this moment ammo is the same as 9mm so I shoot it all the time
I personally own a 40cal glock 22 for self defense not snappy in my hands at all and I'm 5'7 180 pounds and 40 has better velocity and more stopping power correct me if I'm wrong? Why was that not said unless I missed thatmm
Jonathan Spier I must have missed the part with the 40 I'll go back and give it a listen thanks for the update but if your lying I'm calling you out
The minimal improvement in energy is negated by the fact that it is much easier to make repeated fatal hits with a 9mm. Handgun rounds are all very underpowered and all that really matters is shot placement not power.
Trevor Meredith I partly agree brother I get what your putting put there but the stopping power if the first shot with the 9 doesn't put it down I'll half to take a follow up shot as to the 40 more power less chance of me having to shoot again they both have pros and cons but I side with the 40 9mm is a good round but I feel safer with a 40cal
He did in order from most to lest energy was 10mm, 40 s&w, 45 acp, and 9mm bringing up the rear!
The effect of the projectile on stopping a deadly threat relies on the penetration depth and expanded diameter not the muzzle energy. Stopping power is a myth.
Love your vids, but how the hell do you make a vid on a round you dont even own??
Please, when has that ever stopped anyone in the community 😂
This is informative as helllll. Thank you. I just got a 40cal. Not knowing what we were doing, this helps!
It’s not dead. It just smells funny.
daniel castle + 40 is the evil corrupter of youth.
How much did MAC pay you to release this video 😂
Bernard P MAC loves 10mm
maddux le he loves 10mm but he hates 40 sw with a passion
Bernard P right?!?! Hahaha!!!
fernace333 is that handload or factory? I got bunches of 130 grain magtec hollow points but they top out around 1200 from the muzzle.
Tim's bias against .40 is undisputed. In one 10mm video he demonstrates controllable follow-up shots, and in later (I think written) comments he explains how hard it is to get controllable follow-ups from a .40. I mean which is it?
Between my Glock 22 and my USP 40 cal I can say 40 is not dead, it's a great round.
Love my .40. Especially now that everything related to 9mm has been hyped and stripped clean from the shelves, just like the last bbq chicken wing..
Yes up to last week,I have had 0 problem finding 40 SW ammo...bought a box every pay...I'm sitting pretty good now compared to my 9mm and 38 Special...so glad I have one
That is a pretty good point. I like 9mm... I have several 9mm Glocks and one Kahr, but it might be wise to get .40 uppers for them just in case that's the only ammo available. Not likely, and I have reloading dies for both calibers, so even less so, but as we say, it's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
During the ammo scare I could find 40 everywhere. Everything else dried up but I could still run my 40. There is nothing wrong with it at all. People just jump on band wagons and right now 9mm is all the hype.
AmericanOutdoors1 Same thing with me. You remind me of a scene I saw at Cabela’s in January 2013. I bought five boxes of 40 and watch the clerk bring out two cases, 2000 rounds of 9 mm and as he was taking it out of the box and putting it on the shelf people were grabbing it off the shelf as fast as he was putting it on. By the time the clerk was done all 40 of those 9 mm boxes were gone. And they had a four box limit.
Same here. I bought my first pistol, a G23, sort of in the midst of the Obama ammo drought. Couldn't get 9, .223, .45, .380 or .22. Most of the time there was .40.
Same with 30-30 vs 5.56. A lever gun with a full tube, and lots of spare rounds is better than an AR 15 with empty magazines. Never have problems finding rounds for my 40, 380 or 44 mag.
The .40 S&W is never dead...… Just get's better with age.
*gets - no apostrophe necessary
Tell that to firearm manufactures who are no longer making guns chambered in .40
@@shootem5568 Like who? Glock? Sig? S&W? Please stop before you embarrass yourself.
Guess he never heard of SW Shield !!
Glock 27 here, would rather have 9 rounds of 40 than 10 rounds of 9mm
zachary seelbach Pearce grip extension you'll have 10+1
@Grime Fork why not both
.40 isn't dead it's just not as popular. I've carried all three ; 9mm, .40 and .45. We get to hung up ballistics when, for hand guns and self defense, the psychological effect of being shot or even shot at is enough to stop most perpetrators and if it's not just keep shooting. Carry what you can carry comfortably, shoot accurately, and afford to practice with frequently.
U can also use the glock 22 or 23 mag for a 15 +1 upgrade.
A lot of police switched back to 9mm because their officers can't handle the recoil of a .40. All they need to do is go to the range a few times a year to become better with their sidearm.