Firearms Facts: The 45 Confusion
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In this video Ray joins Eric to discuss the vast confusion regarding the venerable 45 caliber and its many different projectile diameters, associated cartridges and the dangers of mixing the wrong load in the wrong firearm. Stay tuned, much more on the way.
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Make “the .50 confusion” 50 AE, 50 GI, 500 magnum, 510 beck, 500 nitro express, 50 Beowulf, 12.7x108, 12.7x55, and of coarse 50 BMG.
.50 BMG Derringer, anyone?
@@ChaplainDaveSparks yes please
50bmg is 12.7x99 :)
Don't forget 500 auto max
coarse
Great history lesson on the venerable 45 caliber cartridges!! .451, .452, .454, .455, .457, .458 bore diameters!
I have a .457 WWG and it is a .45-70 that is taller. A .45-90 slightly trimmed down.
I'm waiting for them to come out with a .4507 diameter one before I jump on the bandwagon
I had a Colt 45 once, not the best malt liquor around.
AND 2 zig zags.
I was going to comment, but then I got high. Wait?
It’s best at the park after dark.
Lol
It's actually not bad
--- *Please do one about "The Ammo Type Confusion," which covers the slew of acronyms such as HST, JHP, FMJ, SWC, +P, Mag, etc.* ---
I'm buying my first gun (Walther CCP M2) soon, and while I'm a bit familiar with some of the acronyms out there due to video games (like Fallout: New Vegas with the FOOK and Project Nevada mods, as well as the Arma mil sims), some things you guys rattle off I've never even heard of like "HST." I saw a list of .45 ACP ammo once for a ballistics chart, and I was blown away by how many acronyms I didn't recognize.
Are you sure you're not a demoncrat.
@@pj7362 You must be an Know it ALL Idiot Republi-cant Russian Troll!!!
@Goattacular You asked a perfectly good question about all of the acronyms, which can be confusing even to experienced shooters/gun owners!! I have owned Firearms for almost 30 years, And I even get confused by the acronyms at times and have to look them up to know what they mean.
@@matthewgroff433 Do you need a safe space?
You've basically got FMJ - full metal jacket, which is generally military and target ammo, and hollowpoint, which is marketed under many different brand names. Those are the two basic types, but there are also niche types, such as solids and frangibles.
Ah the ol SWC. Sentinel Wound Cavity style projectile. I carry those in my Luger .325 Federal Maximum.
I am kind of surprised 45 Special wasn't mentioned as it was removed from Wildcat status years before this video was made. I have 460, 454, 45 Colt firearms. In the Raging Hunter 460, I shoot 5 different rounds: 460S&W Mag, 454 Casull, 45 Colt, 45 Schofield, and 45 Special.
I am very aware of the bullet jump distances to the forcing cones, as well as cylinder burn from shorter cartridges. I don't shoot 50 rounds of 45 Special, then throw in a 460Mag because of this.
Do remember that cylinder burn is very minor with 45 Colt, 45 Schofield, and 45 Special is the very low pressures. Just clean the cylinders good before running 454 and 460 through them again.
Great video and the information is timeless.
I must say I'd never heard of the .45 special. I'll have to look into that.
Just checked it out. Thanks for the info.
It's actually the 45 Cowboy Special cartridge. Starline makes brass, and you use 45 Automatic load data.
You have to be “special” to [accept] em.
11:44 I think you're thinking about .45 Schofield
Yes
Came to the comments to say the same thing
And the .45 auto rim.
Also shoot the new ish 45 cowboy.
Yes and no. The Schofield cartridge has a slightly larger rim diameter than .45 Colt, so when you tried to load it in an SAA chambered in .45 Colt, you could only fit 3 because you had to leave an empty space between cartridges for rim clearance. At the same time, you couldn't load Colt into a Schofield revolver, which was a logistical problem for the army since they had both pistol types issued.
They came up with the "M1887 Military Ball" cartridge, which had the shorter length of the Schofield cartridge, and the rim diameter of the Colt, so one ammo type could work in both issued pistols. This is the origin of the "Long Colt" misnomer, because in the vernacular of the day they were often referred to as short colt and long colt.
great info
You guys are firearms encyclopedias! I've been binge watching the facts and confusion vids! 😁 Great info!
im voting for the glock confusion
Yes
It needs to be done. Please include a comedy sketch to demonstrate, kind of a “who’s on first?” type intro.
plus one for the glock confusion
Never been a glock boy. Never owned 1. Now looking at them and the number system is crazy confusing. That would make a great video.
Hell yea that be a great vid lol ahahhahahah
I have my reason for loving the the 45 ACP.
It’s amazing the knowledge of Eric , chad and ray, in all aspects of gunning, thank you guys so much,
Tom,in NJ
Your "Confusion" series of videos are among the most informative out there. Great work.
Guys, gotta say I'm loving these caliber confusion videos they r awesome. A nice mix of history and knowledge of ammo.
I love my 45/70 especially that it's easy to reload my own bullets with hand tools.
Always good to see Ray on the channel. Between you two, you guys could probably write an encyclopedia on this stuff.
Love it when Ray is on, always learn some vauable new information!
Hey Eric, watching your video today had me feeling like I was back in school and I’ve been out of school sense 1980. Thanks for the history lesson it was very informative and I learned a lot. 🤙🏾
Hi guys keep up what your doing great content
Great conversation guys. Reminded me of why 45 caliber is my favorite.
Watched this yesterday and it turned out to be quite timely. Son-in-law was considering buying a new lever gun in 45-70. So I was able to tell him about the pros and cons of the cartridge / black powder / reloading for 45-70. Thanks guys!
Nice to see Ray again!
I really like these videos it's hard to get into such an in depth conversation like this when most people simply don't know this much about cartridges or have the interest.
I think the .45 short round you were looking for is the .45 Schofield, issued to the army in the 1870s to fit the Smith & Wesson Schofield revolver. Thanks for the video.
Yep,thinking the same...but a collector item...
Love 45, love Old School revolvers (Remington ‘75) and levers (45 colt or 45-70❤️). Forty five will do the job every time 👍🏻🤠.
Lol you cant compare 45acp to the 45-70
45-70 was the second hand gun or hand cannon I ever shot.
Another great video Eric, hopefully next time I’m in Georgia I can come check out the shop
Thanks guys. These are always interesting!
Thanks guys, very informative.
Since you had 460 S&W on the counter, I am surprised you didn't have or at least mention the 460 Rowland for 1911s.
Still haven’t seen that 458 Lott video you promised! Love this series.
Great video gentleman. It is always a pleasure. God bless.
Nicely Done ! Thanks For the Information !!!
Would Love to See Chad’s GAC
He was thinking of 45scholfield same diameter as 45colt but shorter and weaker.
Outstanding video guys thank you I learned some things about the 45 that I didn’t know
You missed an obscure .45, that being the 451 detonics magnum
Excellent and enjoyable video. Very informative.
I need to go to moss and buy some stuff as an excuse to say howdy
Awesome video! It’s amazing how complex this stuff can be.
I would have stayed. They sell machieneguns and flamethrowers. Dream job
it isnt the middle of the ghetto, it's right off 75. And automatics can only be sold with a class 3. Moss can sell them but arrowhead, which is just up the road, cant.
@Skip M guys take this somewhere else these notifications are killing me, fucking boomers
I used to live around 3 miles from moss, it's not that bad, but it's not like it used to be. It gets worse the closer you get to the city. Moss is a small shop but they have nice stuff
Greetings from a marine from the bs land we call Libralfornia
Love your videos guys, very informative. Just picked up my first smith & Wesson today.
You should ask Paul Harrell to come down and film him and Ray do one of these!!
Great video guys!
Thanks
The .460 magnum is stupid powerful. I love the fireballs that come out of it at night when fired
really enjoyed this vid. I can only imagine the possibilities in the shooting world for more videos like this.
.50 confusion next, please! Thanks for the awesome "confusion" videos
This video is very informative. Thanks guys.
Great video, thanks guys. Love the "Sir Arthur Hi Point" shirt 😂😂
Great educational video! Thanks!
Very interesting indeed. Thank you.
I love these bullet reviews
Great video love to see moss again thanks Eric
Great Video, Would love to see more 45-70 content
Confusing but what a fun bit of knowledge about .45's. Love my 45-70 Govt. too. Thanks for sharing guys!!
Have 45-70 for sale nobody wants the ammo
Thanks. I'm glad you got the new guy on there.
11:45 I believe you were referring to .45 schofield
Outstanding video, thank you.
Awesome episode Eric. I have a Glock 37 Gen 3 as my Home defense pistol. Thanks for the knowledge about the 45 confusion Sir .
i got 2 37s a gen 3 and a 4 plus the 39. love the gap
Awesome video. Tv quality information. Good job sirs
Nice info. love my Henry 45-70.
Dick Casull passed away on May 6 2018. He was my friend. May he R.I.P.
damn i didn't know he died. he did more for magnum hand guns than anyone since Keith.
Can you shoot 454 casull out of a 455 smith & Wesson
@@DirkMays no but you can from a 460
Love you videos very educational and informative overall 100% and I do appreciate all your hard work to keep everybody educated on the Second Amendment keep up the good work
Thank you guys. Just got myself a Henry in 45LC
very good keep them coming.
Love the mention of the Ruger#1. My father has terrorized several ranges with his handloads for a Ruger #3. All within sammi specs. But most people have never experienced that level of stomp. You just hope they don’t drop the rifle
Was waiting for the 45 win mag.
The one developed for the canadian service pistol used in the automags and LAR Grizzlys.
And so I keep waiting
I was waiting as well. Just picked up a LAR Grizzly in .45 Win Mag.
Very technical based, but informative beyond that, and the ending/hunting/hippo stuff made it humorous and agreeable. As a late bloomer to gun rights and firearms (6 yrs). I appreciate videos 5hat educate me on things that not only involve my choice of firearms and calibers. I also appreciate the history of it all and the 2nd Amendment stand. Thank you and your channel
Ray's got one of those voices i could fall asleep to. In a good way.
Great video, thanks...
Would love a glock confusion video. Would also like a Smith and Wesson revolver confusion video. Don't have to go over every model number, just the more common ones would be great.
Love these knowledge based videos. Still enjoy the meltdowns as well.
I know this is a few years old but, I'm happy to see you guys dive into the middle of the .45 Caliber confusion mess. Our Troopers downgraded to 9mm. In 2017, the South Carolina Highway Patrol issues the 9mm Glock Model 17M.
Troopers were previously issued the Glock Model 37 .45 GAP and the Glock Model 22 .40 S&W.[11]
The last revolver used was the Smith & Wesson Model 66 .357 magnum (Supposedly to go through the radiator and/or engine block, to stop a vehicle) which is a derivative of the Smith & Wesson Model 19
I don't recall you guys ever going over a .45lc or any SAA revolvers (or ammo) and wondered if it's even possible to do a .45lc replica comparison between the Uberti, Cimmeron, Taylor and Pieta versions?
if not no biggy and thanks for another confusion video
Good show!
You forgot one! .450 marlin!
Was disappointed after it came out, I wanted it to be like the 458.
450 Marlin hands down is my favorite rifle
I am impressed with the amount of off hand info. I am pretty knowledgeable but this shit was deep. Bravo
Welcome Eric n Ray 😀🇺🇸😀
LOVE to see a GLOCK CONFUSION VID!Would be most entertaining!
Great video like always R.I.P BERRY we miss you
OK, I played it back enough times to identify the time stamp at 23:34 as the point at which you utterly misidentified the rifle cartridge, the .458 Winchester Magnum as the handgun cartridge, the .45 Winchester Magnum.
Way back when, two proprietary cartridges were developed, the 9mm Winchester Magnum and the .45 Winchester Magnum. Unfortunately, the handguns to use the cartridges didn't materialize. The 9 slipped into obscurity, but the .45 found usage in a stretched 1911 style pistol, the Grizzly.
Of course I figured out quickly that you were talking about the .458 WM when I saw the cartridge on the table.
I was just about to point the same about the .458 WM but decided to read some comments first 🙂
I had a Triumph Bonneville motorcycle. Every nut and bolt was Whitworth. I had to search for a tool kit for it. It was a nightmare.
My papa uses the Ruger #1 loads from the Barnes loading manual for his .45-70 H&R handi rifle. Showing 2800fps with a 250gr bullet and 2500fps with a 300 grain
David Howe not messing around there!
David Howe
Whew! That'll do some damage!
@Mississippi Ditch Fisher nope. Never even heard of howe rifles
Dude you ain't lying bout the Glock confusions lol
Hey I heard that Glock names their models based on the patents used for them. Even if true it still doesn't help clear up any of the confusion to the consumer that's for sure.
@@forestrebock3545 ain't that the truth. Yea I heard the patent thing too.
@@JimiBones Thats what I heard too Jim.
The model numbers are patent numbers on Glocks. And, the reason its confusing to people is because people have a misconception that a model number should describe the weapon. Who labels their weapons with descriptive model numbers. If Glock is bad I would think Smith and Wesson be more confusing........ J frame, x frame, n frame, l frame, 342, 642, 36, etc . What does it all mean?
If all else fails, you can always look on the slide or barrel and it will have the caliber stamped on it.
Enjoyed this a Lott.
When he was talking about what cartridges can be shot out of the 460, the 45 S&W is I think what he was thinking of. Nice break down video.
You should have gone over over the 460 Rowland, 450 smc, and the 45 super for thouse of us with semi auto looking to convert. Maybe a part 2? Good video as always!
Excellent video. Thanks for mentioning the 458 Lott. BTW, I get 2300 fps consistently from my Ruger No.1 and Hornady Factory ammunition. Being straight walled, I can also download it to 350gr @ 1000 fps. Very versitle cartridge in .458.
God bless y'all! Hope you are watching Barry!
Love the shirt Eric.
G'day from Aus, love the vids, glad you mentioned Cartridges of the World, great reference book, I have the 9th expanded edition, coul'd you tell me if there is a new edition? 👍🍻😎😊
love these videos! ...but you forgot two cartridges here: the 450 Marlin, and the 460 Weatherby Magnum - both fire a bullet that's .458" in diameter.
That shirt is priceless!
RAY! More Ray!
Awesome video. I would have liked to see you discuss the .450 marlin cartridge. Theres not much out there about it. I am on the fence about buying a .450 Ar10 upper from Midwest. Thank you for sharing
I'd pay to watch this, great stuff god bless America
Guy I went shooting with brought a box of .45 Colt to shoot in his new Colt 1911. Needless to say he was rather confused when he couldn’t jam the rounds in the magazine.
Great video !! Good to see ray! You need to get Ray over to the farm shooting! Maybe some custom gun he's been working on! Cheers Guys!!
Was disappointed that the 460 Rowland or 45 Lar Grizzly Win Mag were not mentioned, they being basically a 45 ACP mag & super mag, & treading on the 44 magnum territory (or in the case of the 45 Lar Grizzly Win Mag stomping all over it).
I've got a Win Mag..single shot barrel for my Contender.
Keep in mind that shooting .45ACP in a .455 Webley is equivalent to a proof test every time you pull the trigger. The Webleys were designed for a much lower CUP than the ACP del;ivers. More so on the Mark I (1887-1894) that were designed for black powder, though most of those were reproofed for cordite starting around the turn of the century. The later version will stand up to it... until they don't. You can reload ACP or Auto Rim cases to a lower pressure and with the right recipe and, IMO, they shoot better than the original Mark I or II ammo. More importantly, they are safe... for the revolver and they person shooting it.
Other dude is smart as hell
What about .45 Super?
GreyC5
It's in gun heaven
I have a custom Para Ordnance P-14 in .45 ACP/.45 Super and love it. Of course it was built/customized by the late Ace Hindman!
GreyC5 Or better yet, the 460 Rowland...
Yeah I wish they would have talked a bit about 45 super 450 smc and 460 Rowland.
I wanted to hear about .45 Raptor and if it'll be possible for .45 to be used in high calibre rifles in future
The Glock model number is based on the patent number designated for that model that went in to production. First Glock patent that went into production, the 17.
I just know I am still confused, but I feel better about myself after watching this vid. Relieved my cartridge anxiety for a while.
Bighorn does indeed make a .460 lever gun.
yeah ive been wanting one for years
Giver it a few years. I'll bet there will be more made by others for cheaper.
What all will fire from it, if you know? That could be a very versatile thing to have.
@@dallasdinglewood1091 in the lever gun it says it can run .460 S&W, .454 casull, and .45 Colt. The colts have a tendency to hang up though if not cycled properly.
@@derikledford3969 Interesting... yeah I'm still a long way from getting one but thats a decent list. .454 Casull out of it would be adequate for anything I can imagine. I hope that company does well, they seem to do some cool stuff.