Why Selvedge Denim Jeans are BETTER than Armani!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ต.ค. 2021
- Fair WARNING! This is a long one. Way too long. But I was enjoying myself and riffing away and the time just flew by. Feel free to skip about or skip off to Carl's next vid ;)
Having said all that. This is a video I have been wanting to make for a while now. Comparing a damn good pair of raw selvedge denim jeans with a pair of "fashion" jeans that cost the same.
It's interesting what I found out.
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Raw denim is Sigma Style, for example assert dominance by walking into the room wearing jeans not washed for 6 months
Ultra gigachad sigma style is wearing SELVEDGE denim that you haven’t washed in a year 😎
Force everyone’s nostrils into submission with the stench of your unwashed denim
Though I agree that making these videos pretty long can make them inaccessible to some, I love the conversational tone you have and honestly it just feels like friends hanging out. As much as I love fully scripted out video essays, these type of videos bring a different joy to my life and will always keep me coming back no matter the length of the video. Thanks for a great video as always!
This channel is evil I started watching a couple weeks ago and now I just bought a 450 dollar pair of jeans. You’ve turned me into a denim head.
😂😂😈 you’re welcome to the dark side. What did you get in the end?
@@CeeAreDee I bought a pair of the 19oz samurais. Can’t wait to see the fades come in!
@@yeahmanmetoo5739 you're like me haha this man's opened up my eyes. Went from Burberry and Salvatore F. To Iron Heart and Momotaro 🥴 I really want a samurai pair soon too!
I had a decent pair of Diesel selvedge denim jeans years ago. I remember discovering them in TK Maxx. I was overjoyed. Selvedge wasn't really a thing yet, and it was hard to come by. Loved those jeans. One of my other interests is shaving, I make a whole ritual out of it, hot towels, artisan soaps, vintage safety razors, ancient fragrances etc. There are forums, youtube videos, the whole thing. Seems to me that it's very similar to wearing good denim, a very similar buzz of nostalgia and pleasure in quality. Really hard to describe. You could take a look at men's fragrances as part of your output. It's a whole different world.
This is nice! Didn't know about the shaving thing. I have been using fast fashion for years and now I'm jumping into high quality, durable garments. Not flashy, fancy brands. I'm interested in the materials and manufacturing process.
Congrats for the baby!
Thank you Carlos.
Late to the party but I needed this vid, thanks. I'm no brand snob but Armani always fit me like I was their model for designing them, I knew the differences, knew it's mainly about the name for them, but was happy because nothing fit me better and 5 years life to me is ok because I batter them. Few years out of it, come back to find they're all under the Armani Exchange name, they don't seem the same, I've worn them long enough to know. I didn't like what I bought. Time for me to take jeans a bit more seriously till I find my new favourites. Your channel is helping me learn more, thanks
Armani does have selvedge denim, raw denim and even made in italy denim. In the fashion luxury brands you first pay for branding and then anything else is just extra luxury. People wear armani to get compliments and also to signal to people that they are wearing jeans from an expensive brand. Denimheads forget most people don’t know what selvedge is or the quality of jeans. People usually buy luxury brands because it’s a status symbol.
Those are Emporio Armani jeans, not the same as Giorgio Armani jeans. They are owned by Giorgio Armani but not the same level of quality. I don't own anything from Armani or Emporio but I think a pair of Giorgio Armani jeans would be a bit better than Emporio.
I feel like this needs to be addressed as I don’t believe it is in the video (correct me if I’m wrong and it is noted in the vid) but it should be noted that the “Armani” denim being reviewed is Emporio Armani which is a lesser/more affordable sub-brand variant of Giorgio Armani. These are by no means the same as a pair of “Giorgio Armani” jeans
Fair comment
Would really be interested to see a comparison like this, but with a standard Levi’s 501 (non-stretch) that can be purchased at times for $30-$40, instead of high fashion +$200
As a new dad myself, I’ve found myself recently considering wearing some rather than my multiple pairs of raw Japanese pairs. Maybe just becoming harder to justify the cost?
Congrats on the news and keep the content coming!
Thanks Brett. Appreciate it buddy. Yeah. I’m also thinking of doing a vid on something similar. Maybe the 501s or a super cheap selvedge pair on Amazon maybe. In regards to the coast. I’ll admit that I think twice about dropping 500 bucks on a few things these days. Thinking where that money would be better spent. But if you’ve got a few pairs then you’ll be good for jeans for the foreseeable future, no?
I’d go with putting up the Premium line of 501 in the comparison. They are sold at a moderately higher price point than the base 501 but have some respectable upgrades in build quality and features that can be a real value at the Levi’s outlets or at the well executed Levi’s online store. And even better deal when scored at a 30% or more on discount.
I'm done with Levi. Once you try the real thing it is not intelligent nor comfortable to go back. Same with wearing real leather boots.
It is interesting to have a comparison between fashion jeans and raw denim. Evisu sell loads of fashion jeans internationally apart from the raw denim they sell in Japan and it would be interesting to see your comments on them too!
Great stuff! Keep it up. It would be cool to see a video on the new collaboration between Lee and Pendleton. Maybe on their new Rider jacket?
What a surprise that was. Well done.
Constructive criticism from someone who’s watched every video you’ve released on this channel:
Yes; your videos do tend to go on too long, and yes; it does make them less accessible. I appreciate that you’re going for a blog-like feel, but being a little more structured/organised would help. Little things like locating the pair of 3Sixteens in advance, or setting up lighting prior to hitting record will help reduce the duration without compromising the conversational tone of your videos. You don’t have to (and I wouldn’t want you) rehearse or script the entire video, but giving yourself the best platform in which to deliver the subject matter in a punchy way would really make it easier to ingest, at least for me.
Completely agree on the “unstructured” style of the video. I feel there’s too much info that is irrelevant, like you having to look for jeans for forever just to show us the jeans or heritage wear you have all over the place, that you own all pairs in all styles, until you make a video about them, no one is going to search the models for 316.
Love the channel and will continue to support you because you do provide information that the community needs. Most heritage wear channels die or stop making vids and I applaud you for continuing to do what you love and providing how to guides to all.
Bingo
Interesting, and conveyed really well
I think he just likes himself a bit too much. The other day he started the videos by cleaning his glasses and I made him a comment about this being very unnecessary on video (the answer was a bit lame). He has knowledge and will to share, which is very cool - he would benefit to go to the point and not focus on his Zalando order or stuff like this. Also we can not say that he is charismatic, so why all this buzz about himself?
or as hes searching and doing the smaller mundane things he can cut that stuff out in post especially when he starts rambling. Which would also condense his videos in a more manageable format.
Hey congratulations on the baby .
Thanks James. Appreciate it buddy
That round thing on the shelf above your head, looks like a man-bun in certain angles when you move your head.
Also enjoying learning about Selvedge and raw denim via your videos. Cheers
It would be cool if you could do this but with a pair of levis made and crafted jeans, weather it's a pair of raw or pre distressed denim.
Even tho some of them are pre distressed the LMC made in Japan jeans peak my interest
Current wearing tcb slim 50. Love the denim and the fit. I want to go heavier for my next pair at least 17oz. What would u recommend. With a similar fit to the tcb slim 50
I bought some Ferruchi Italian button fly jeans in 1989. They cost £30 reduced at the time and they lasted a year but the cut was great.
Put up more videos on belts & wallet !!!
I would love to hear your take on fabric softener during a soak or wash. I just watched your bleaching video and it got me 🤔. Could it make a heavier ounce denim feel lighter.
Never use softener in any garment, they ruin the fabric.
I’d be really cool to compare a pair of vintage Levi’s to the closest heritage pair you could find like tcb or something! I’ve been wearing out a pair of 1978 selvedge Levi’s and they’re so good! I’ve never owned Japanese selvedge so I would be really interested in a video like that, also there’s no comparison videos like that that I could find
Might do one with the vintage big E I have. Good plan.
My guy just made a movie! 🍿
Haha. I do tend to let things run away with me. Hope you’re good buddy.
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Speaking of fashion jeans, I kind of liked Lucky jeans because inside the fly was branded “Lucky you!”
Haha. I don’t know the brand but I love that!
I never buy fake-faded jeans and/or "distressed" (torn). They're unnatural! The one you put on has a fade that no human being would make with their actual legs! And of course, every-body is different and when it doesn't line up, it looks ridiculous. I have never understood it. And that price! For that? There are ways of buying quality without spending a fortune. But to buy something with no quality, that's literally torn for a fortune? That's nuts.
Thanks. Enjoyed the video.
Welcome mate.
The only thing I will say about this comparison is that feeling you felt about your 18 oz raw denim after you took off this Armanis isn’t fair to Armani as they were probably a lighter denim
with the feeling word he meant emotion, not the feeling of the fabric
Liked the point you made about artificial distressing. I like the rambling, going on “too long”… how long would we talk about denim? Haven’t exhausted the topic yet!
Haha. Yeah. I could talk anyone’s ear off on this subject 😂
Congrats on the baby! My wife and I had our second child a week ago today. 😁
I think that both pairs are expensive and both of them are a flex, each to a separate identity. The selvedge ID, the runoff stitching, etc are all visible brand identifiers that show you as a member of the denim-head tribe, just the same as the Armani eagle identifies one in the designer/yuppie/nouveau-riche crowd. Sure, from the perspective of a denim-head, you're getting more value with 3Sixteen, as they are going to last a lot longer; or that is to say, they will have a lower cost per wear over the lifetime of the jeans. But this is a disingenuous argument, it at the very least an incomplete reason; if the cost per wear were truly the deciding factor in which jeans to buy, then we'd all be buying secondhand wrangler's, or some ugly shit like that.
Basically, I am arguing the same as you stated in this video, though I don't think truly believed it when you said it... it's all a value proposition based on one's perspective. We value certain things based on the tribes we belong to, and demonstrate belonging through certain identifiers. Both pairs of jeans are opposite sides of the very same coin: costly signifiers to allow those around us who are "in the know" to know we are one of them.
That said, I do have some designer denim that I've found good value out of: Tom Ford. They are rugged, hard wearing and do place emphasis on the denim they use, the location and quality of their manufacturing, as well as their retro styling. They have lines of Japanese selvedge which are pretty nice, and all of their jeans are either assembled in Los Angeles or in Italy.
Thank you for the in-depth review. I would encourage a bit more of the fat being trimmed in editing, though I can appreciate the Kerouac-style stream of consciousness. Enjoy the new baby, it goes by so quickly!!!🎉🎉🎉
I’m super high right now, so of course I read your entire comment. Well said. Also, I can’t believe I was able to type this…
with Naked and famous, you get the best of both worlds
At minute 50 I thought "well, the introduced question -where the miney goes- hasn't answered yet. When you came to your conclusion I thought "well, pretty as guessed in the beginning"...
I was kinda shocked myself how much I rambled on this one. I appreciate you making it all the way through!
6:34 The repair tutorial is invaluable. This could be a video on its own. Does heavier denim or tigher weave help delay crotch blowout??
Armani jeans! Oh My! That really takes me back... To a Warehouse in Lancashire in the 90's....possibly acceptable then..
Lol as someone who's faded several selvedges, I'ma say this was kinda petty. The demographic for EA is far different, so it's apples to orange IMO
Huge fan of your work dude, but I don't know about this one. Video starts at 11min and the comparison shouldn't actually last more than 15 min. 1h vid? Come on 😂
Just my feeling no offense , keep it up love your content !
I like how all criticism here say stuff like "no offense" given the sensibility of the guy 😅
Is the NT's the slimest fit for 3sixteen
Wouldn’t it be distressing rather than a wash in the case of the Armani?
I tend to feel that although denim heads can be a bit snobby and “one up-ie” when showing of the salvedge cuff, etc, they truly respect the quality and bespoke feel of breaking in a pair that is there’s and only there’s. Even if you pick up a pair second hand or score vintage, they are quality; but someone else put in the work and you benefit from the fact that the jeans endure.
I feel the Armani crowd are purely interested in shouting- “I’m rich enough to wear Armani, so look at me!” Next year it will be another look at me, over priced flavor for the season.
Don’t scratch those beautiful pine floors!!
Luxury garments are never well crafted or made of great materials. It's all logo and bragging rights.
Indeed.
Yeah it’s really a sad thing that the luxury market has gone that way. It’s a level of gate keeping where any value, even brand association, has been diluted to such a degree that it’s meaningless.
I don’t think your idea of luxury is actual reality. Both of these are expensive so to me they’re both luxury it’s just the raw denim in niche luxury and Armani is designer. Wealthy people, believe it or not actually do wear niche things like raw denim. Another good example is colognes.
My diesel jeans are extremely well made.
@@vhockada how many pairs of "normal" jeans do you own? Don't buy multiple pairs of shitty Levi's. Buy one pair of quality jeans. That's the problem with current consumers. You'll buy a thousand dollar cell phone but not a 200.00 pair of jeans that will definitely outlast that phone and are actually worth the money
Enjoy the content, but why was this an hour long? 🤯
I was having fun with it. That’s all.
The Armani jeans are not made to last. They are dixy cups, made to be disposable. The luxury of the Armani jeans is in the name brand.
Clothes are armor, designed for the clients to fit into their social circle.
I don't hang out with any one that wears Armani, and I am guessing you don't either.
Nudie is probably the brand that's right in between these categories for me...
Don’t crucify me here. I am new to the Raw or Selvedge denim space. I’m not even sure where the money goes on Raw or Selvedge denim. Maybe you have a video you can recommend for me. I own one pair of Naked & Famous Selvedge. They are okay. I may take another stab at the Raw or Selvedge denim. Not convinced yet they are worth the investment yet.
I reside in a very warm area in the States. Heavy denim will not work at all. Even in the winter, unless o go to a place with snow or really cold weather they will not be worn. For my money, AG Jeans with some stretch are the business, for me. Typically temps here in the summer are over 100°F. The lighter the better. Too much sweat = too much bleeding of the indigo.
Try and help me understand a bit more, Cee Are Dee. Cheers.
RgT is an American brand that produces selvedge sanforised (RAW means is not being washed); 12 oz maybe is more suitable for warm weather. The question is if you like selvedge denim because there are non-selvedge denim of excellent quality. If you want to try something good and cheap but not top-notch quality, Brave Star
one is a fashion brand denim so i don't think they are going after the same customer base.
FWIW, IMO - **Emporio** Armani is basically a 2nd-rate brand of real Armani aka the Giorgio Armani which is very expensive but designed and made in Italy. I avoid Emporio Armani just as I avoid Ralph Lauren. Probably made in the 3rd world for a few dollars and sold for hundreds of dollars to naive brand hunters. If you want Italian jeans - try those which are 100% made in Italy using Japanese or Italian denim. IMHO.
Only 5mins in, so still watching, but is that a Benzak shirt your wearing? Looks like one i'd been looking at. Looks good, whats the fabric like? Those Armani jeans are hideous, pure 90's poser jeans. Ah you mention shirt is Benzak..
Was gonna ask same question
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It’s that one there. So super nice. The fabric is incredible. Lenn has the same one and has been wearing it for way longer. It’s broken is super good.
But Armani does have selvege jeans. So does many designer brands. It is like comparing basic Levis with LVC made in japan, tbh. I like topics you bring (like washed selvege), but sometimes you lack awareness.
You have a baby? Congrats!
Yes indeed. We have one on the way. 😊
@@CeeAreDee Awesome! There is not greater love than the love of a child. They grow fast. Enjoy.
I like your videos, but the first 10 minutes of this one didn’t need to be included.
Well. Yes and no. I mean, in a way of imparting the essentials of the info, you’re totally right. It was superfluous. However, I’m still learning this stuff and also still having fun with it which is the driving force behind making these. The first 10 mins taught me a lot and made a lot of fun when filming and editing. Things I can apply to future videos.
@@CeeAreDee I see. Well, I really liked the subject of this one. I laugh at jeans that I see put out by high-end and/or luxury brands for $300+ that are light, thin, and aren’t even selvedge; basically just really luxurious toilet paper.
Is that Virgil‘s root beer?
It’s a Flensburger. Not my fav of the German Pils but very very good.
I have had several pairs of levis the fit has never been that great bar one or two pairs where as my wrangler have always fit great and have cost less.
3Sixteen wins here, without question. But I don't like their back pockets. The runoff detail...I just don't get it 🤷♂️ Not really off-putting per'se, but not attractive/alluring either.
I think it’s good to see it in the context of the times they were looking for a “signature” pocket design. Levi’s were sueing anyone with even a hint of an arc and other brands were coming up with weird and wonderful pocket designs. 3sixteen looked to the more minimalist side. They were trying to do something contemporary with raw denim at a time when most others were either going repro or damn weird.
Well I think that the raw denim does not look as good as the other jeans. And of course it won’t be as comfortable at first. I think there is just a following for this raw denim and people pay crazy money for it. When personally I can get a nice pair of Abercrombie or Hollister jeans and they are very comfortable and fit well
That is a fair point but as with everything else, there are some people that really like and enjoy Selvedge denim. It is true that there are non-selvedge denim that is good too
Wow those Armani jeans just seem generic. I’d be disappointed paying all that money for an Italian brand not made in Italy. It’s just been done to squeeze as much profit as possibly. Because if you can buy a Japanese/ American made product both countries have high labour costs there’s no excuse.
Offset my carbon 🤡👍
Gotta do at least a little.
tbf you bought jeans from a non-luxury, out of fashion-fashion brand
This could've been a very cool and interesting video. Could've. Instead it was a bit of a disorganized mess.
12 painful minutes of waffle before the comparison…..then you guessed it, more, much more waffling, losing the will to live, unsubscribing as life is too short 😩😩😩
Bought a pair of YSL jeans in the early nineties,complete with red interior pockets,which burst through in a couple of months...pure overated rubbish.
Offset your carbon??? 😂😂😂 Dude you are the carbon they want to offset. Carbon isn’t an issue.
Video to long bro!!
Motostars gang im trans😂
👎🏻 Long video with tremendous detail BUT WHY DID YOU SELECT DISTRESSED ARMANI JEANS vs NON DISTRESSED 3SIXTEEN??? So therefore your video is totally unvalid - STRUCK DOWN BY INITIAL POOR COMPARISON CHOICE… ESSENTIALLY A WASTE OF TIME BECAUSE OF HORRENDOUS ERROR IN INITIAL COMPARISON SELECTION.
That EA jeans are so awful! 🤢
Yeah they are not that nice 😂
Armanis suck big time
Video begins at 11:27.
3Sixteens are worth every penny. Compare these in two years.