@@filipmichalsaffray441 not this time, I've not actually had time to sit down with it and properly to test it out as been out shooting most of last week, didn't want it to slow me down faffing around with it this time, I'll deffo be bringing it out once I'm confident with using it!
I thought it was great to have the comparison - between the standard conversion and your grade. Across your channel, it's quite clear that you personally can take any camera and any lens and put together your own personal look. Which is great (and underlines the whole point that gear is only a small factor!) That's why it's kind of nice to have the standard look, to see what the lenses are producing out of camera
I don’t know what camera you used but not a fan of the skin tones here. Especially your talking head clips which needs some minus green, but even with your talent the color science doesn’t look neutral.
Ed....Wow!! The quality your getting out of that camera and those lenses!! I am sure you too,are blown away with the results your getting through this cleaner approach. You have fine tuned an already very slick style.Its obviously your eye/location choices not the camera that made this really pop but the sharp charity your now working with is somehow creating narrative . It's gone from fantastic shot of your partner to making it feel like there is a relationship between a fashion model and the camera man as they walked together through the streets. Thanks for the inspiration 8k hey, awch man thats a bit naughty isn't it
ahaha thank man! Yeah these lenses are lovely and very much enjoyed the few hours shooting I had with them. About to get them back in my hands at the end of this week.
I do get Zeiss Mkii vibes from these, which is awesome. I've been waiting on DZO to make superspeeds for awhile and I love the look here. If they don't go too crazy with the price, they'll blow out their competition. Great work here man!
Hey Ed, thanks for posting this footage. I’ve been kicking myself since NAB when I walked right by these, and I’ve been posting speculative videos about them and pestering DZO for samples ever since. It’s awesome to finally see some demo footage with these and they do not disappoint. I own the NiSi Athenas but I expect these to replace them as my primary set.
Hey Nick I think I watched one of your earlier vids on them, I think that's where I first heard about them! Would love to see (or shoot) a side by side with the Athena's - still not shot on them, but did see them in the flesh when I picked the Arles up and didn't realise how tiny they were!
Thanks Ed! I’ll definitely do some comparisons once I get my hands on the Arles. The Athenas are indeed tiny. But I'm happy to trade the larger size for the extra stop. That last stop from t1.8 to t1.2 or so is HUGE in my opinion.
Yeah, I have shot in the Vespids for the last few years and mostly shoot doc and factual stuff - they've been fine and am used to lens swaps, but lately have been using the LAOWA S35 rangers which I'm really enjoying for faster paces jobs
Thanks for this. Duclos have them up for $2150 per lens which seems like a bargain if that pricing holds true. I've been to Arles, it's a lovely town and it hosts an amazing photography festival in the summer every year. Cus it's French you just pronounce it "Arl"!
I know I was surprised on the pricing! Haha yes my Italian (speaks french too) partner has pointed this out, she's recommended the photog festival too!
What I immediately noticed is how 3-dimenstional the footage looks! Quite Cooke-esque I wanna say. Also the sharpness is quite pleasant. Bokeh seems nice as well! Really excited!
Wow great video Ed. I feel like red should send you a V raptor because this footage was unreal. As for the lenses, I would choose these over a sigma set for sure. I would always choose Zeiss for sharpness and a “clean” look, but these have that creamy sharpness of a Leica R or Contax Zeiss, except with those unreal T stops. I like the “lens test” at rec709, but your grading is one of my favorite parts of your videos. So I’m glad I got to see that at the end.
Yeah I don't know how I feel about presenting everything as rec.709 footage as I love working with the footage in post... Definitely had to include some graded stuff at the end!
Great vid Ed! These are looking really nice! DZO sent them out to a friend of mine and I'll have the opportunity to try them out on her Komodo and hopefully my FX30 too. Excited to see how they perform for myself 😁
Yeah I've shot on my Vespids for a few years been looking to pick something up that offers something cleaner, very interested in these, Dulens and Athena's
Thank you for the video. They look gorgeous! Not so much contrast as the sigma's. They look more like the Zeiss supremes. Also curious how they flare. I think its a nice set to own for most of the projects. Looking forward to use them by myself.
Thanks again Ed. Your wife seems to be a very patient and supportive model. I have a question about the Raptor for comparison sake. Was it S35 like the Komodo or Full Frame?
The RED V Raptor is Vista vision so just a bit larger than full frame, used to show off the full capability of these lenses. It's a lovely camera, I wish I had one!
Hey Ed, that wide shot at 1:04, your wife reading the book on the bench with her legs crossed. Is that the 35mm?? If so, the separation is remarkable given how wide the lens is. It makes me extremely excited. Also, yes focus throw is 270. Pricing appears to be $2149 per lens (according to Duclos lenses) or $1800 Eur (according to some EU site I saw before it appears to have been taken down). Other specs are available on Duclos, if they took them down they're still on the subsequent video I made 🙂
@@nick_salazar yeah it's a very quickly put together vid, shot the piece to camera the next day. But hopefully they give a quick insight! Hopefully I'll get my hands on them again for a little longer, ideally shoot a project with them so I can do a better overview!
What focal lengths are these shots? Would be so helpful if these were labeled throughout the video. They really look amazing, exactly what I'm looking for in a cine lens.
I'm gonna buy one! Super efficient to use, esp. when swapping lenses back and fourth. The VND maybe pushed the image slightly warmer but there are hard stop NDs you can slot in too which don't give you that. Couldn't see any IR issues either... But only 3 hours spent with it.
@@EdProsser Oh that's awesome. How did you find the clear filter after your time with it? That is the only aspect that makes me think about buying one vs one without.
These are my favourite option for affordable, sharp, fast spherical primes right now. I love that they are sharp but not too sharp; looks great - and they kicked the CA from the Vespid. They beat themselves at their own game!
hahaha for sure - the Vespids still have a space - but these are going to be a very strong contender for a lot of people. I'm surprised by the pricing as well!
Great video, great footage as always 🚀 have to say the Arles look great but i would go for a Sony cinealta set when size doesn't matter even if they are 2.0 😬
Hi Ed, you found new subscriber here, firtly thanks for making this video. I was chasing more info on this lens and looking to put and order when it becomes available for sale. My question to you is how does it compare with Tokina Vista Prime interms of quality and size difference? Also do you have any information on when this lens will be available for sale? Thank you in advance.
Thanks for the sub, I think they go on sale around 3rd June. In terms of the Tokinas I've only worked on a project with them once and that was a few years back so I don't quite remember how well they'd stack up against these.
What would recommend, NISI or Arles? Arles are faster but they are way bigger. For run and gun, are they going to be too big and heavy vs NISI with minimal optical advantages?
@sonnyjostins6158 not many, go for the option that makes your life easier and makes you want to shoot. If you're motivated to create then you're gonna create better stuff and go the extra mile and get that "extra shot"
These are much faster, cleaner and sharper - I will try get them again for some side by sides, but I'd be more interested in comparing them with the NiSi Athena's
Do you believe someone planning to buy athena primes should consider these instead? I don't think it makes sense to purchase both set of clinically accurate primes.
This is the million dollar question! I'm in the same boat. In an ideal world you'd get both but who has all that cash to burn!? It'll come down to form factor and whether you need that extra t-stop... Do you prefer smaller / compact lenses or do you just want the fastest possible?
@@DragoTJ I'm going to try the NISI Athena's in July... Hopefully compare them to Arles... But I feel like I will go Arles. Probably pick up a 35 and a 50 maybe?
I will never be a fan of busy out of focus backgrounds. To me it usually distracts from the subject and negates separation. Though yes, occasionally that look can aid in the storytelling and give an unsettled feel to the frame, but these would definitely not be a daily driver set for me. Thank you for the footage. Now I know.
I think most people are agreed on not shooting super blown out all the time, but it can be a good option to have and will be a creative decision for some projects. Or when shooting in smaller or darker spaces. They look great stopped down too.
@@EdProsser I recently downloaded a sample R3D footage from Red website. It's a Red komodo footage with a skater. I mean, I don't know, it was very hard to color grade that even after changing the Metadata to log. However when I screen grab your log footage and try to grade, it's smooth. Planning to buy a Red Komodo so want to know how to acquire clean image in raw everytime like you do
@@vignesht8199 Probably you did CST from RED log in a wrong way. To verify that try to enable Davinci Color Managment and compare results with you previous grading. And take a look on videos about IPP2 workflow in Davinci. On the official RED TH-cam channel you can find video about RAW settings in Davinci.
@@user-2fkheS6COV1UKE6 I did it perfectly. You can try to color grade that skate footage and see. Or show us how if possible. I guess it is because the footage is noisy !
@@todoli_jacopo they're both great, vespid smaller and lighter. Arles are huge. Arles very very clean, vespids a bit more character and funk, less sharp
For the love of God, can you use a subject who will smile? You and Mateo or whatever the guy's name is does the butterfinger LUTs use your wives as subjects and quite frankly it's cringe. Like it's so distracting seeing them really not doing anything but just gaze out in space like they're doing something for the camera. What about a micro short? Something with actual acting and cinematography. I know that sounds harsh but if you got money to buy a RED V Raptor or what toys money can buy, get an actual model or actor/actress that will actually have a better presence in front of the camera.
How does everyone feel about presenting the footage in REC.709 rather than graded (like I usually do) is it more useful to get a sense of the lens?
Rec 709 is better imho did you used them with new DJI lidar focus system? Hard to find anywhere 😂😂😂
@@filipmichalsaffray441 not this time, I've not actually had time to sit down with it and properly to test it out as been out shooting most of last week, didn't want it to slow me down faffing around with it this time, I'll deffo be bringing it out once I'm confident with using it!
I thought it was great to have the comparison - between the standard conversion and your grade. Across your channel, it's quite clear that you personally can take any camera and any lens and put together your own personal look. Which is great (and underlines the whole point that gear is only a small factor!) That's why it's kind of nice to have the standard look, to see what the lenses are producing out of camera
I don’t know what camera you used but not a fan of the skin tones here. Especially your talking head clips which needs some minus green, but even with your talent the color science doesn’t look neutral.
@@waveland Same, I'm not sure they lean a little bit green or it's because there were a lot of leaves that can cause this color cast.
Ed....Wow!!
The quality your getting out of that camera and those lenses!!
I am sure you too,are blown away with the results your getting through this cleaner approach.
You have fine tuned an already very slick style.Its obviously your eye/location choices not the camera that made this really pop but the sharp charity your now working with is somehow creating narrative . It's gone from fantastic shot of your partner to making it feel like there is a relationship between a fashion model and the camera man as they walked together through the streets.
Thanks for the inspiration
8k hey, awch man thats a bit naughty isn't it
ahaha thank man! Yeah these lenses are lovely and very much enjoyed the few hours shooting I had with them. About to get them back in my hands at the end of this week.
Thank you for making this! These look great and I want them.
Me too!💪
I am one of those people who really enjoy the way you grade the clips, so thank you for including your grade on the back half of the video.
Thanks man! Your vids helped persuade me to pick up the Komodo OG a few years back!
These are named after the French city Arles where many famous painters lived during their career, including Pablo Picasso and Vincent Van Gogh 💙
Great info!
Thank you @OP!
I do get Zeiss Mkii vibes from these, which is awesome. I've been waiting on DZO to make superspeeds for awhile and I love the look here. If they don't go too crazy with the price, they'll blow out their competition.
Great work here man!
Yeah I'm thinking they'll be competitively priced
@@EdProsserThe price was live for a bit on CineGear Pro at £1719+vat per lens or £7,739+vat for a 5 lens set.
@@EdProsserthey're on pre-order for 2100 or 10k for 5 lens kit. Seem very reasonable priced. Do you prefer these over the vespid?
So nice Ed! Thanks for showing the rec709 image. Lens looks cleeeaaaan.
They are gorgeous aren't they?
Hey Ed, thanks for posting this footage. I’ve been kicking myself since NAB when I walked right by these, and I’ve been posting speculative videos about them and pestering DZO for samples ever since. It’s awesome to finally see some demo footage with these and they do not disappoint. I own the NiSi Athenas but I expect these to replace them as my primary set.
Hey Nick I think I watched one of your earlier vids on them, I think that's where I first heard about them! Would love to see (or shoot) a side by side with the Athena's - still not shot on them, but did see them in the flesh when I picked the Arles up and didn't realise how tiny they were!
Thanks Ed! I’ll definitely do some comparisons once I get my hands on the Arles. The Athenas are indeed tiny. But I'm happy to trade the larger size for the extra stop. That last stop from t1.8 to t1.2 or so is HUGE in my opinion.
I think the Dzo catta zoom is more robust for documentary and this Arles will work for corporate, fashion and sport shoot. I love the clean look 👌🏽
Yeah, I have shot in the Vespids for the last few years and mostly shoot doc and factual stuff - they've been fine and am used to lens swaps, but lately have been using the LAOWA S35 rangers which I'm really enjoying for faster paces jobs
@@EdProsser nice 👍🏽
Thanks for this. Duclos have them up for $2150 per lens which seems like a bargain if that pricing holds true. I've been to Arles, it's a lovely town and it hosts an amazing photography festival in the summer every year. Cus it's French you just pronounce it "Arl"!
I know I was surprised on the pricing! Haha yes my Italian (speaks french too) partner has pointed this out, she's recommended the photog festival too!
What I immediately noticed is how 3-dimenstional the footage looks! Quite Cooke-esque I wanna say. Also the sharpness is quite pleasant. Bokeh seems nice as well! Really excited!
yeah I wish I had endless cash to burn on these!!
I also find them quite similar to the Cooke S8’s look.
awesome video ! this first look was exactly what i was looking for, thanks so much !
Wow great video Ed. I feel like red should send you a V raptor because this footage was unreal.
As for the lenses, I would choose these over a sigma set for sure. I would always choose Zeiss for sharpness and a “clean” look, but these have that creamy sharpness of a Leica R or Contax Zeiss, except with those unreal T stops.
I like the “lens test” at rec709, but your grading is one of my favorite parts of your videos. So I’m glad I got to see that at the end.
Yeah I don't know how I feel about presenting everything as rec.709 footage as I love working with the footage in post... Definitely had to include some graded stuff at the end!
What a great look. And in combination with the raptor it’s gorgeous👍 thx for testing them👍
Yeah it's gorgeous, not normally a frame rates person, but you can see I had a lot of fun with the slow motion haha. Wish I had one!
@@EdProsser yeah I could tell😄 but it fits the video. You can take your time to examine all details😄👍 have a great day😉
Great first look! I am excited to get my hands on them as well!
If the pricing is right, I think they will be a big hit like the Vespids
Great vid Ed! These are looking really nice! DZO sent them out to a friend of mine and I'll have the opportunity to try them out on her Komodo and hopefully my FX30 too. Excited to see how they perform for myself 😁
I dig em, I think they could be quite big for people used to shooting on more compact / mirrorless friendly lenses
hi friends :D
Look forward to what you both cook up!
I like the clean look of these lenses, thanks for the review!
Yeah I've shot on my Vespids for a few years been looking to pick something up that offers something cleaner, very interested in these, Dulens and Athena's
Recognise a lot of those spots in Hackney Wick - great vid as always Ed!
Haha yes! Just wish we'd had a bit more sun 🌞
Thank you for the video. They look gorgeous! Not so much contrast as the sigma's. They look more like the Zeiss supremes. Also curious how they flare. I think its a nice set to own for most of the projects. Looking forward to use them by myself.
Yeah unfortunately we had the usual awful British weather with a super overcast sky, so couldn't flare
Great stuff as always Ed! These images are soo clean. Curious on the comparison with NiSi Athenas, do itttttt
Hoping to get the Athena's in July so will try get the Arles back then
Thanks again Ed. Your wife seems to be a very patient and supportive model.
I have a question about the Raptor for comparison sake. Was it S35 like the Komodo or Full Frame?
The RED V Raptor is Vista vision so just a bit larger than full frame, used to show off the full capability of these lenses. It's a lovely camera, I wish I had one!
@@EdProsser you would make good use of one. Thank you
THESE. LOOK. AMAZING. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I dig em!
@@EdProsser What do you think the price range might be for them? Definitely gonna save up for them.
@@Oshotya I imagine a bit more than the Vespids / lens. But still within the "affordable" realm Maybe £3-4k a lens? That's a total guess though!
@@EdProsser Man I hope that’s the case! These are the primes I’ve been waiting for! Can’t wait! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Yesss !!! Thank you for putting this out ed !
Hey Ed, that wide shot at 1:04, your wife reading the book on the bench with her legs crossed. Is that the 35mm?? If so, the separation is remarkable given how wide the lens is. It makes me extremely excited. Also, yes focus throw is 270. Pricing appears to be $2149 per lens (according to Duclos lenses) or $1800 Eur (according to some EU site I saw before it appears to have been taken down). Other specs are available on Duclos, if they took them down they're still on the subsequent video I made 🙂
I believe that is actually the 75mm I'm just stood back a bit! The 25 / 35mm do have really nice seperation though!
@@EdProsser thank you! That makes more sense. Still outstanding.
I'm really glad you posted the quick t-stop tests of each lens. Super helpful.
@@nick_salazar yeah it's a very quickly put together vid, shot the piece to camera the next day. But hopefully they give a quick insight! Hopefully I'll get my hands on them again for a little longer, ideally shoot a project with them so I can do a better overview!
On those wide shots, did you use the 25? I'm wondering because that's the one Im looking at
Correct
What focal lengths are these shots? Would be so helpful if these were labeled throughout the video. They really look amazing, exactly what I'm looking for in a cine lens.
It's a mix of 25, 35 and 75. Yes sorry did not have the time to label every single shot, but that's why included the more controlled test with t stops
you lucky man! they look very nice.
Yeah, I was impressed 👍
What are your thoughts on the Mofage Poco after using it?
I'm gonna buy one! Super efficient to use, esp. when swapping lenses back and fourth. The VND maybe pushed the image slightly warmer but there are hard stop NDs you can slot in too which don't give you that. Couldn't see any IR issues either... But only 3 hours spent with it.
@@EdProsser Oh that's awesome. How did you find the clear filter after your time with it? That is the only aspect that makes me think about buying one vs one without.
great video as always, ty for sharing!
Thanks for stopping by Eva!
These look lovely!
They are pretty nice and clean
@@EdProsser Design of the housing looks quite nice too - maybe its just the script but seems they've taken a few cues from TLS
These are my favourite option for affordable, sharp, fast spherical primes right now. I love that they are sharp but not too sharp; looks great - and they kicked the CA from the Vespid. They beat themselves at their own game!
hahaha for sure - the Vespids still have a space - but these are going to be a very strong contender for a lot of people. I'm surprised by the pricing as well!
Great video, great footage as always 🚀 have to say the Arles look great but i would go for a Sony cinealta set when size doesn't matter even if they are 2.0 😬
Thanks! I know of them but I've never had chance to shoot on them! What do you prefer about them?
By the way, super curious about a direct comparison with the Vespids!
If I can get my hands on them again I will do!
Gorgeous!
Yeah they're nice 💯
Hi Ed, you found new subscriber here, firtly thanks for making this video. I was chasing more info on this lens and looking to put and order when it becomes available for sale. My question to you is how does it compare with Tokina Vista Prime interms of quality and size difference? Also do you have any information on when this lens will be available for sale? Thank you in advance.
Thanks for the sub, I think they go on sale around 3rd June. In terms of the Tokinas I've only worked on a project with them once and that was a few years back so I don't quite remember how well they'd stack up against these.
The 25mm and 75mm will be my go to
Nice! I might start with the 35 and maybe get the 75
Great video Ed. We should collaborate on something down in the city :)
Yes for sure would love that! Drop me an email!
What would recommend, NISI or Arles? Arles are faster but they are way bigger. For run and gun, are they going to be too big and heavy vs NISI with minimal optical advantages?
I haven't shot in the Nisis yet, but if size is important go Athena's. I suspect the Arles look a touch nicer, but you pay for it in size!
@@EdProsser Yeah. I wonder how many people will really notice the “touch” nicer.
@sonnyjostins6158 not many, go for the option that makes your life easier and makes you want to shoot. If you're motivated to create then you're gonna create better stuff and go the extra mile and get that "extra shot"
@@EdProsser so true
Seems nice and thanks for sharing.
Would you feel that they are cleaner than Vespids ? Meaning have they loose some vintage feel ??
Yes much cleaner
@@EdProsser too bad
Thanks for the answer
WOW i was waiting for this review , Asking the same question how to compare this to Original Vespid primes ? 🙂
These are much faster, cleaner and sharper - I will try get them again for some side by sides, but I'd be more interested in comparing them with the NiSi Athena's
They look so amazing! And your Grading is great!
thanks!
Price of these lenses they revealed & its really remarkable, can you measure the total length of the lens with its cap on . ?
Only had them for a few hours unfortunately!
@@EdProsser Are they weather sealed lenses ?
Do you believe someone planning to buy athena primes should consider these instead? I don't think it makes sense to purchase both set of clinically accurate primes.
This is the million dollar question! I'm in the same boat. In an ideal world you'd get both but who has all that cash to burn!? It'll come down to form factor and whether you need that extra t-stop... Do you prefer smaller / compact lenses or do you just want the fastest possible?
@EdProsser I want the cleanest and fastest as I already have the rf L series lenses which I can use the autofocus with my c70.
@@DragoTJ then you have your answer!
@EdProsser which one you thinking of purchasing?
@@DragoTJ I'm going to try the NISI Athena's in July... Hopefully compare them to Arles... But I feel like I will go Arles. Probably pick up a 35 and a 50 maybe?
I will never be a fan of busy out of focus backgrounds. To me it usually distracts from the subject and negates separation. Though yes, occasionally that look can aid in the storytelling and give an unsettled feel to the frame, but these would definitely not be a daily driver set for me. Thank you for the footage. Now I know.
I think most people are agreed on not shooting super blown out all the time, but it can be a good option to have and will be a creative decision for some projects. Or when shooting in smaller or darker spaces. They look great stopped down too.
@@EdProsserexactly.
What about focus breathing and flares? Is it as good as the Nisis?
There's an example in the vid, didn't see any breathing. Not shot on the Nisis yet, I suspect these are nicer
Really enjoy your reviews Ed and real world footage. These look fantastic
Can you show us how you usually shoot with your red raw +log footage without grade ?
How do you mean?
For the rec.709 conversion I believe I used the hard contrast very soft roll off curve
@@EdProsser I recently downloaded a sample R3D footage from Red website. It's a Red komodo footage with a skater. I mean, I don't know, it was very hard to color grade that even after changing the Metadata to log. However when I screen grab your log footage and try to grade, it's smooth. Planning to buy a Red Komodo so want to know how to acquire clean image in raw everytime like you do
@@vignesht8199 Probably you did CST from RED log in a wrong way. To verify that try to enable Davinci Color Managment and compare results with you previous grading. And take a look on videos about IPP2 workflow in Davinci. On the official RED TH-cam channel you can find video about RAW settings in Davinci.
@@user-2fkheS6COV1UKE6 I did it perfectly. You can try to color grade that skate footage and see. Or show us how if possible. I guess it is because the footage is noisy !
When are there being released?
I believe in the next few weeks
5th of June
@@daandegraaff2154 cool any source on that? Assuming you're Dutch, curious which supplier will have the set in stock
I asked them (dzo) on instagram:)
Do u think Arles is comparable at the Vespid ? Is possible association the vespid with Arles on work or is a different lens for work with this 2 set?
I think they have quite a different look and feel
Because I want buy one 50mm, u recommend the vespid prime 50mm or Arles?
@@todoli_jacopo they're both great, vespid smaller and lighter. Arles are huge. Arles very very clean, vespids a bit more character and funk, less sharp
The Arles vignetting with 82 mm filter on Full Frame?
@todoli_jacopo Arles are 95mm front, 82mm filter won't work. You should switch to a mattebox anyway.
Sexy visuals. The lens looks good too
Sexy comment
honestly who names these lenses lmao
Random name generator, I kinda like the name of these though...
@@EdProsser As a frenchmen from the south, I kinda like having a near city named on a lens !
Why is this model always scowling
Cause she has to spend her life with me
For the love of God, can you use a subject who will smile? You and Mateo or whatever the guy's name is does the butterfinger LUTs use your wives as subjects and quite frankly it's cringe. Like it's so distracting seeing them really not doing anything but just gaze out in space like they're doing something for the camera. What about a micro short? Something with actual acting and cinematography. I know that sounds harsh but if you got money to buy a RED V Raptor or what toys money can buy, get an actual model or actor/actress that will actually have a better presence in front of the camera.
Are you okay?
@EdProsser what is the song @ th-cam.com/video/wzX1OqeODio/w-d-xo.html