I love how it doesn't matter whether you are Max fan, Lewis fan, Lando fan or Ferrari fan. We all rejoin and we can all agree upon hating FIA and that dumbell in charge.
@@dreadsocialistrobertsEVERYONE is doing it. He can look at hundreds of countries (including developed ones....) around the world and just take the message "money makes you immune from morality"
@simonkevnorris one of the provisions was a prevention of "anything that may harm the moral or financial interests of the sport," this was in fact interpreted as a catch all for silencing criticism
Wow, I was already not liking them cause of the way they handled the tire war between Michelin and Bridgestone tires (which led to a race where only 3 teams were competitive and Michelin had to refund the crowd’s tickets cause the FIA refused to do so. Probably one of the main reasons why I didn’t even acknowledge their decal in gran turismo 7). But censoring criticism of a license is just even more petty than what they did in the tire war.
The most ridiculous thing about the whole weekend was that the second F1 Academy race had to be canceled because they couldn't manage to replace a single piece of barrier in over an hour.
It was a pure embarrassment to even line the F1 academy cars up, considering an hour later they delayed the start to F2 because the exact same barrier hadn't been repaired. Like...what a fucking shitshow 🤦🏻♂️🤣
As sad as it is already in Formula 1, we cannot forget that WRC has also gotten into more and more problems under MBS FIA presidency, which is double bad considering his rallying background. First the failure to introduce balanced regulations to keep the costs down and bring more manufacturers into the sport's top tier category, then the quite controversial introduction of a point system for 2024 that can reward more points to people fast on Sundays, than the actual winner of a WRC event, which will be scrapped just after one season, and finally the less-than-ideal management of the hybrid system on Rally1 cars, which will be dropped by the sport because of issues with the sole supplier of the system (which is not used by any car manufacturer on the market), who cannot guarantee the required safety standards without charging unreasonable service fees to the teams, and regarding which the FIA has done NOTHING. For what I can see, MBS just likes to act like a dictator, try to steal the spotlight from the actual drivers and other people involved in motor racing, and get bribes by event organizers and cars manufacturers to help them obtain their wishes against the interests of the people working and racing in top tears categories, silencing and firing whomever stands up against him. They might not have been always perfect, but I deeply miss the likes of Jean Toad and Charlie Whiting at the helm of the FIA.
Being a rally champion in the middle east is like winning the tournament in your kindergarten where you are the oldest and biggest kid, it is irrelevant.
I look forward to Liberty Media, the teams and drivers issuing an ‘either MBS leaves or we do’ ultimatum. It sure feels like we’re heading that way with his complete aversion to accountability
@@thedje4407 hmmm that's not entirely accurate now is it. The FiA are in charge of the Formula rules etc, theres nothing stopping another organisation popping up and proposing the same. The FiA of course have the heritage liniage etc etc the history and indeed the name Formula 1 gran prix etc... but! who gives a shite about that! If netflix make a series promoting a new organisation all the fans will just jump ship over the the new on, FIA can continue calling some a race with no entrants Formula 1 but the fans would be gone with the teams.. cos the modern fans dont give a crap about a funny sounding french organisation controlling the sport... in fact! the American fans are starting to think F1 is actually american! much like they do with that snake oil sales man from south africa... All it would take is all the teams agreeing.... and THAT is in fact where the problem is. Merc are in the pocket of the saudis so they won't jump ship thats one, Williams probably the same, mclaren neither...
@@DAGATHire It should come from the drivers, who should strike like in 1982 to get some decency into the FIA back. However it's not gonna happen under Russel's leadership sadly, and Max is too selfish to unify the others.
@@Cancoillotteman Agreed well sort of, i don't think its on the drivers to change MBS or the FIA, its not their jobs! they are paid to drive not be political, although Russell certainly likes playing the politics game. I would see it as a teams thing, they would have to collectively get together and strike as you say. But then you have toto calling horner childish names and horner in turn turns it into a bloody win with his reply.. its all very pathetic how they are all conducting themselves to be honest
@@DAGATHire Oh definitely, the drivers can't force the FIA out. But maybe they can push back just enough to get things slightly more right, like to stupid swearing ban or pushing for consistant, clear and declared before the race rules and penalties.
Even the Andretti defence gimmick was an angle he was playing at, just like how he was trying to devalue the F1 brand when LM gave their valuation. Him being against LM is probably something to do with the saudis and him. He has always been a clown
Note that while the yellow flashing light on the side of the track and Lando's onboard did flash up late, the actual race marshals waving real yellow flags were there and were visible even on Lando's on board Also note that the reason we haven't seen such a penalty since 2021 is that double waved yellows are actually pretty rare in race as they normally just throw out a safety car before they are needed which is why we haven't seen the penalty for so long And the last two drivers to get that? Mazepin and Latifi for......ignoring double waved yellows
@@magicmillz Incidents in practice/qualifying are always lesser than in a race. Speed in the pitlane in qualifying - Fine Speed in the pitlane in a race - drive thru
@@adenkyramud5005 Those speeding penalties were for max 2km/h exceeding. Hamilton exceeded the speedlimit with 12km/h. The penalty for double waved yellow was totally justified as Lando himself stated. The precedents are there to back it up. The flickering yellow is the wrong clip. That one is a clip from 3-4 laps into the double waved yellows.
@@magicmillz qualify and race are different, Sebastian Vettel did that before, same 5 grid penalty ,some case only got 3 grid penalty, so the penalty not leniency, maybe even heavier penalty than before , in the past similar incident was stripped the lap time ,so not really lenient at all to me ,and kind of consistent too. edit: a quick look, in the past,some drivers got 3 or 5 grid drop. 5 grid drop: Palmer, Grosjean, Max ,vettel,Norris. 3 grid drop:George ,Hamilton
not to mention that mirror was just slightly off the racing line on basically the ONLY proper overtaking opportunity on the whole track so obviously a car would eventually run it over and cause it to litter carbon fibre everywhere
“How will this affect who wins?” is simply not a thought that should occur when deciding on safety measures. Otherwise you end up in the messes of 2021
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Steiner....one thing for sure is swearing will not be frowned upon. I can hear Steiner now "Lando is a fooking legend for missing those waved yellows " But I am sure Steiner would also have sacked the idiot who didn't call for a safety car when that mirror was in the only passing zone of this crap track
I said it before, it is NOT up to the driver(s) to judge whether or not a double yellow is appropriate. Just lift. Even Lando accepted the penalty wholeheartedly. But I guess that the bottom half of the internet is better qualified to make that judgement.
Technically correct, but nobody seems to understand the problem is different: did EVERYONE lift but Lando? And did everyone lift in the following 4 laps where the flag was still exposed? We know Max did...kinda (0.6s is not "slowing down and be prepared to stop", but it has been deemed somewhat acceptable since the late 1990s, so it's ok), but what about the others? And if they didn't and didn't get penalized, what was the rationale behind it? Also, why was it ok NOT to lift in the next 4 laps whit the flag exposed?
NASCAR is better run than this. You can question why they do some things, but they come off with a reasonable argument and they don't fire people with no explanation. NASCAR isn't perfect, but they are not this level of arrogant
7:13 completely disagree on this, the issue was not the panel, it's the fact that there was a marshal waving double yellows which Max saw and lifted for, and Lando didn't lift for, since he probably didn't see it
I'm an old fart nearing their 60s, and I've been a fan of F1 since the early 1970s. I've been through the trials and trivulations, especially the Balestre years where he was a biased and disgusting wanker who tilted everything in the favour of his friends and France in general. And yet despite this, I'd go further and say that the current FIA is not patheitic but utterly unfit for any purpose. They are there to govern and referee the sport and other motorsportts and they are not only utterly failing in this but making it a bloody joke. They must either get rid of the leadership or disband.
Impeding a car that isn't on a hot lap - 1 grid place penalty Impeding a car on a hot lap - no penalty Contact with a car resulting in them spinning from second place to last - 10 second penalty Making contact with another car with no damage to race or car - also a 10 second penalty
The FIA is makes drivers less likable. Constantly complaining and snitching. Exploiting loopholes at 300kph. Lawyers in race suits. Genuinely unlikable people.
Three different series in the same week was always going to be too much for one person to handle. I’m honestly shocked the mirror safety car fiasco is the only thing that happened. LAWVS called it.
We need a deep dive into the FIA’s “Mobility” division. If they act this cryptic in their most public but secondary roll of Motorsport governance, I’m willing to bet that their primary “Mobility” operation is questionable at best.
It was George that called Max a bully, not the other way around. And a stop and go penalty for ignoring double yellows in a race is consistent with previous incidents (Latifi and Mazepin in Austria 21, and Kimi in Belgium 17). Now of course arguments can be made if the yellows should have been out rather than a form of SC, but you still have to obey the law even if you don't agree with it.
I don't buy the yellow panel flashed too late for Lando since Max saw it and did lift but the mess was caused by them not clearing up the mirror in the first place
10 seconds stop and go is a standard penalty for not slowing for double yellow (rainkonnen 2017, latiffi 2021, Mazepin 2021), this is not out of the blue. Not retreiving the mirror that was close to racing line on the end of the only strainght where drivers can reasonably overtake was moronic.
The stop-go penalty for Lando though is normal. Not even ancient history. Kimi got one in 2017. Latifi got one in 2021. For the same thing. It is one of the few times the stewards and FIA have actually been consistent and followed precedent.
The Norris penalty for failing to slow is a terrible example of an overblown punishment... Do that in karting and you lose your license. Period. Are we holding kids in karts to higher standards than F1 drivers?
Norris got the penalty for the lap after they came on, not the first one. The first lap it only just came on as he went past, the next lap he had double yellows the whole way down and didn't slow.
What is it about motorsports series and their executives crapping the bed over the course of the 2024 season? The FIA/F1 and NASCAR had a horrifyingly bad year.
The FIA has always been about as corrupt as FIFA for decades lmao. Group B was dangerous yes, but Group S (the replacement) took safety concerns into effect and was a more stringent rulebook, Balestre and Ecclestone axed both because the WRC was getting to F1s level of popularity. Group C died a similar death.
"one could argue that the panel flashed ultra late for [Lando] and it would have been difficult for him to spot" uhhh, no. that's not a valid argument at all. the LED panels aren't anything more than a visual aid. What really counts is the marshall clearly waving double yellow flags. Even if the LED panel was green, the flag still counts (as precedented in Brazil 2012). Drivers are trained from their very first days in karting to look out for flags at any time, and so, a late flashing LED panel is no excuse for being the only one to not slow down. The penalty they gave Lando, therefore, was not harsh at all. It is exactly how this kind of infringement has been penalized in the past, and there's no way of explaining it away.
FIA Boss: Drivers shouldn't use this language like rappers Fans: FIA Executives shouldn't use their power to be dictators. Just cos their country is a dictatorship.......
I have just started but the fact that he signed off on the 10 year saudi deal for the WRC while no other country can get more than a year along with the back peddling in wrc since they said they would devise a new more affordable set of regs just to say nuh uh
Russel's recent behaviour is far from that of a world champion, a world champion will maximize what he can do within the rules and not invent imaginary incidents to get a competitor unfairly punished.
7:15, there's more than just the panel on the side of the track, there's a light on his steering wheel and also the marshal further up the road from the panel that was literally waving 2 yellow flags, he had plenty of opportunities to see and react to the double yellow and he didn't, and he got a penalty that is historically what you see for what he did
I kinda feel for the RD on this one. We've had plenty of similar sized bits break off cars this year (front wing endplates etc) without a SC thrown. It wasn't on the racing line -but it was leading into the only overtake spot on the circuit. FIA rules state that a SC is called when there is danger to drivers or track personnel. There clearly wasn't here. With the spread of the cars on track a VSC would have done nothing -maybe an extra second between cars. Not enough for a marshall to have retireved it. It may have caused some cars to pit, which might have opened up a gap, but there was no guarantee. I'm guessing they were hoping that the wake from one of the cars might have pushed the thing closer to the pit wall. Was Bottas told about the danger -if so, it was his choice to be on that part of the track that led to Sainz/Hamilton's punctures. Lando's penalty was completely justified (and that's from a big McLaren fan). The light panel was marginal, but the double flag were easy to see. He chose not to lift. F*** around and find out. Do we need to be reminded of the outcome of Jules Bianci's accident, also under double waved yellows? We can argue from our couches all we like about whether there was any real danger here, but the driver can't be sure. It shouldn't be his call. If there are double waved yellows you lift. I bet Lando will never make that mistake again. Anyway, the RD would have had a dozen people shouting in his ear for those 8 minutes. Whatever call he made would ruin someone's race. Who'd want that job?
the penalty wasn't for "george not knowing where max is" it was for driving unnecessarily slowly, which is dangerous, it's in the rulebook for a reason
during a fucken COOLDOWN LAP? Stop making up rules as you go lmfao and George knew Max was slow up ahead. Yet he pushed into Max, and ended up blaming him. If you think Max was at fault you might as well should just stop watching f1
@@drugs4sal3 it’s not in the rulebook you prat. Stop making up rules as you go on. And they weren’t on a hot lap either. they were COOLDOWN laps. And George knew where Max was, if anything George should be penalised for almost hitting Max. You Merc fans can really be insufferable
@@brycestewart4717 why don't they is a damn good question. Since the delta got brought in over a year ago this is the first time I've seen it actually penalised even though it's broken pretty much every weekend. Max broke the rule and deserved that penalty, but so did so many others, not just in Qatar, but in so many other races. Wild thought, but maybe if they actually start enforcing the rule from here on drivers won't keep breaking it
The FIA recently held back a change for the next season, but then drivers pushed for it with something like "if it's wrong, fix it now" But then they change logic when it comes to a change they dislike.
The Lando and Lewis penalties did seem pretty harsh but apparently it's the normal penalties for those offenses. In the last 10 years not lifting under double yellows happened three times and in each case they got the 10 second stop go penalty. And apparently Lewis broke the speed limite by more than 10km/h, which is a drive through penalty. But besides those the decisions were a bit odd that race.
That is true, but the flags shouldn't have been there in the first place. As soon as the mirror fell, a VSC or 1 lap SC should've been called to pick it up. Double waived yellows mean nothing if the debris isn't removed. The penalty itself, by the rules was correct and has been consistent over the last couple years, but it should never have happened in the first place
Let’s be more specific it’s not the FIA that needs to go it is the president, race director, steward consistency, and racing rules that need to go/ be revised. Blaming the FIA as an organization is call to action yes but doesn’t target the rotten apples making it bad.
When I fist saw this video, I accidentally read "The FBI are Pathetic" and wondered why Josh was doing an FBI video, but I agreed with them being pathetic. 😆 Ahhhhh, FIA.....that makes more sense.
One minor correction: Max wasn't on a cooldown lap, he was on a warmup lap. Yes, I know the FIA said he was on a cooldown lap, but that's incorrect because of course they cannot be bothered to get their facts straight when explaining their ruling. I don't think it's arguable that Lando should have slowed. Max slowed, and he had worse visibility than Lando. However, what IS very much arguable is that the double yellow flag never should have been shown in the first place, and was shown and withdrawn arbitrarily to the point where it was nearly impossible to know what was going on even with the luxury of watching the broadcast. From the moment the mirror came off the car, I was waiting for a safety car of some kind only for the race director to completely ignore it until it got smashed into a thousand pieces, despite the fact that it was on the one place of the track where drivers would be VERY likely to go off the racing line (even if a driver is not going to make an overtake attempt, if their power unit is getting hot due to dirty air then they will need to move over to increase cooling). The mirror was out there for 4 laps before it got hit, which is a really long time to leave debris on the track without doing anything about it other than showing a double yellow flag (which makes no sense at all if they truly thought it was no big deal).
What mistakes did Nils Wittich do? I think he did a pretty bang on job as race director (remember: he's not in charge of deciding the penalties, thats the stewards).
no that penalty Russell pushed for is NOT something to love, that is waaayyyy to shady! And like many said, let me then put myself in a dangerous situation like Russell did, because Russell WAS the reason for it when he had a clear view of Max the whole time! And the usual 3 drop? You know how many where under the delta.... NONE of them in many other races as well did NOT get a penalty at all, so what do you mean the usual? That kind of behaviour I am not a fan of at all. The Norris excuse.. Max was slowing down... the person that was AHEAD of him... and then the penalty is the same as 2 in 2021. (even though i find it harsh it is normal in comparison to previous similar situations as in not slowing down with a double yellow)
What I don't get about people still saying that 'maybe it was hard for Lando to notice it because the panel turned on late.' is that: 1. The team could have let him know and didn't 2. By the FIA's own logic, you can see Lando's head looking in the direction of the clear double yellow flag, that even I with my shitty eyes could see 3. If Max saw it, who was in front, who it would have been even more difficult for to see,. how is it supposedly more difficult for Lando? 4. Anyone that actually looked into this would know that a 10 second stop/go penalty, is the standard for not slowing down under double yellow when racing. Just saying, yes, the FIA screwed up plenty, but I'm a little tired of people defending the likes of Russell and Norris, and still daring to say that British bias isn't a thing. Especially when even Norris himself said that the penalty was fair and made sense. And this channel, which has in the past made videos about Max' style of racing and certain things, to now suddenly wank Russell's dick for not giving a shit and being a giant hypocrite, while being the chairman of the GPDA, is kind of dumb as fuck, if you excuse my French.
I've seen dive bombers plunge to earth slower and more gracefully then what MBS is doing, also the money to give to the people who decide if he stays or not sound like coup much
Good as usual but don't conflate race control with the stewards. George didn't "push heavily" for Max to get a penalty up in race control. He did so in the stewards office. Big difference.
I love how it doesn't matter whether you are Max fan, Lewis fan, Lando fan or Ferrari fan. We all rejoin and we can all agree upon hating FIA and that dumbell in charge.
It's a beautiful moment in the social media age. All it takes is one wazzock with an over-inflated ego to do something like that.
A rare case where we all took something from someone and also we all got robbed at some point
"Never thought I'd fight side by side with a CultLH member"
"How about fighting side by side with a fellow F1 fan?"
We all know who the evil here is!
I don't mind the penalties
Seriously, the fact that this guy wants to remove any accountability for his actions is just ridiculous.
Well, the Sauds have long done this, so you know.
@@dreadsocialistrobertsEVERYONE is doing it. He can look at hundreds of countries (including developed ones....) around the world and just take the message "money makes you immune from morality"
all the more reason HE NEEDS TO GO
Wow!
Literally one of the least surprising things to happen. The sport is going to self implode and right fully so
Josh Revell has been awarded a 10-second stop-go penalty & a summons to the stewards room.
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Actions Detrimental to open wheel racing.
@@pendremacherald6758real
10 Second Penalty for Ocon.
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…wait he’s gone.
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10 Second Penalty for Doohan.
@@irjonesy 10 Second Penalty for Ocon in a Haas!
Last time the FIA tried to silence criticism, it led to a drivers strike in South Africa 1982
That strike was about tieing the driver's super license to a team. Nothing to do with criticism of the FIA.
@simonkevnorris one of the provisions was a prevention of "anything that may harm the moral or financial interests of the sport," this was in fact interpreted as a catch all for silencing criticism
It also led to FOTA in 2009 if I recall
That wasn't last time.. Look up rally Portugal in 1986
Wow, I was already not liking them cause of the way they handled the tire war between Michelin and Bridgestone tires (which led to a race where only 3 teams were competitive and Michelin had to refund the crowd’s tickets cause the FIA refused to do so. Probably one of the main reasons why I didn’t even acknowledge their decal in gran turismo 7). But censoring criticism of a license is just even more petty than what they did in the tire war.
The most ridiculous thing about the whole weekend was that the second F1 Academy race had to be canceled because they couldn't manage to replace a single piece of barrier in over an hour.
It was a pure embarrassment to even line the F1 academy cars up, considering an hour later they delayed the start to F2 because the exact same barrier hadn't been repaired.
Like...what a fucking shitshow 🤦🏻♂️🤣
All the money, none of the brains.
True, but let’s be honest. Who gives a rats about f1 academy? Lmao
@@777XGangI do
@@777XGang That is not the point. F1 screams it is the "pinnacle" of motor sport and is run worse than a casual weekend time attack.
Clicked this video so fast it may have given Max a 1 place grid penalty
Max's unborn baby just got a 1 place grid penalty for their f1 debut
max just gave himself that by having a kid
nooo mickeyyy nooo
"I never lost my virginity because I never lose."
EDIT: this aged poorly
Hehehe. Good one
As sad as it is already in Formula 1, we cannot forget that WRC has also gotten into more and more problems under MBS FIA presidency, which is double bad considering his rallying background.
First the failure to introduce balanced regulations to keep the costs down and bring more manufacturers into the sport's top tier category, then the quite controversial introduction of a point system for 2024 that can reward more points to people fast on Sundays, than the actual winner of a WRC event, which will be scrapped just after one season, and finally the less-than-ideal management of the hybrid system on Rally1 cars, which will be dropped by the sport because of issues with the sole supplier of the system (which is not used by any car manufacturer on the market), who cannot guarantee the required safety standards without charging unreasonable service fees to the teams, and regarding which the FIA has done NOTHING.
For what I can see, MBS just likes to act like a dictator, try to steal the spotlight from the actual drivers and other people involved in motor racing, and get bribes by event organizers and cars manufacturers to help them obtain their wishes against the interests of the people working and racing in top tears categories, silencing and firing whomever stands up against him.
They might not have been always perfect, but I deeply miss the likes of Jean Toad and Charlie Whiting at the helm of the FIA.
He's making Mosely look like a freaking saint! 🤬
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Moseley was bad but I’d rather take him than MBS.
Bernie Ecelstone chapter 2
Being a rally champion in the middle east is like winning the tournament in your kindergarten where you are the oldest and biggest kid, it is irrelevant.
I look forward to Liberty Media, the teams and drivers issuing an ‘either MBS leaves or we do’ ultimatum.
It sure feels like we’re heading that way with his complete aversion to accountability
While I agree with the sentiment they have no bargaining power as absolutely no one would believe they would walk and they absolutely wouldn’t
@@thedje4407 hmmm that's not entirely accurate now is it. The FiA are in charge of the Formula rules etc, theres nothing stopping another organisation popping up and proposing the same. The FiA of course have the heritage liniage etc etc the history and indeed the name Formula 1 gran prix etc... but! who gives a shite about that! If netflix make a series promoting a new organisation all the fans will just jump ship over the the new on, FIA can continue calling some a race with no entrants Formula 1 but the fans would be gone with the teams.. cos the modern fans dont give a crap about a funny sounding french organisation controlling the sport... in fact! the American fans are starting to think F1 is actually american! much like they do with that snake oil sales man from south africa... All it would take is all the teams agreeing.... and THAT is in fact where the problem is. Merc are in the pocket of the saudis so they won't jump ship thats one, Williams probably the same, mclaren neither...
@@DAGATHire It should come from the drivers, who should strike like in 1982 to get some decency into the FIA back. However it's not gonna happen under Russel's leadership sadly, and Max is too selfish to unify the others.
@@Cancoillotteman Agreed well sort of, i don't think its on the drivers to change MBS or the FIA, its not their jobs! they are paid to drive not be political, although Russell certainly likes playing the politics game. I would see it as a teams thing, they would have to collectively get together and strike as you say. But then you have toto calling horner childish names and horner in turn turns it into a bloody win with his reply.. its all very pathetic how they are all conducting themselves to be honest
@@DAGATHire Oh definitely, the drivers can't force the FIA out. But maybe they can push back just enough to get things slightly more right, like to stupid swearing ban or pushing for consistant, clear and declared before the race rules and penalties.
I mean, we got a middle eastern dictator in charge of FIA, what do people expect? 🤣
Aaand we all know how that ended to the last one
The situation is very Aladeen
Is very Aladeen spot for the Aladeen
And I thought all those years of them being aggressively French was bad
@@ieuanhunt552 is that a shot at Balestre?
17 drivers were below the delta at some point even George was under the delta , the document got released showing this.
Yup. Liar bin Russell should have been equally penalised.
Amazing how MBS went from "the chad who protects Andretti against the will of LM" to a total absolute clown
Even the Andretti defence gimmick was an angle he was playing at, just like how he was trying to devalue the F1 brand when LM gave their valuation. Him being against LM is probably something to do with the saudis and him. He has always been a clown
Even the biggest tosser can do something good by intent.
@@marco_1909 that's exactly what it is, he's just there trying to get the Saudis a good price on the F1 brand. He should be sacked...
Man really said
"I am the senate"
"Not yet"
He should look at South Korea to see how well that goes.
Note that while the yellow flashing light on the side of the track and Lando's onboard did flash up late, the actual race marshals waving real yellow flags were there and were visible even on Lando's on board
Also note that the reason we haven't seen such a penalty since 2021 is that double waved yellows are actually pretty rare in race as they normally just throw out a safety car before they are needed which is why we haven't seen the penalty for so long
And the last two drivers to get that? Mazepin and Latifi for......ignoring double waved yellows
Verstappen also did it in qualifying in 2021 at the same track and he got a 5 place. Which was surprisingly lenient
@@magicmillz Incidents in practice/qualifying are always lesser than in a race.
Speed in the pitlane in qualifying - Fine
Speed in the pitlane in a race - drive thru
@@MrSniperfox29didn't most speeding incidents in recent times get just 5 or 10 seconds? Honest question as my memory is not what it used to be😅
@@adenkyramud5005
Those speeding penalties were for max 2km/h exceeding. Hamilton exceeded the speedlimit with 12km/h.
The penalty for double waved yellow was totally justified as Lando himself stated. The precedents are there to back it up. The flickering yellow is the wrong clip. That one is a clip from 3-4 laps into the double waved yellows.
@@magicmillz qualify and race are different, Sebastian Vettel did that before, same 5 grid penalty ,some case only got 3 grid penalty, so the penalty not leniency, maybe even heavier penalty than before , in the past similar incident was stripped the lap time ,so not really lenient at all to me ,and kind of consistent too.
edit: a quick look, in the past,some drivers got 3 or 5 grid drop.
5 grid drop: Palmer, Grosjean, Max ,vettel,Norris.
3 grid drop:George ,Hamilton
Qatari FIA President who got the role through corruption turns out to be corrupt? Colour me shocked.
It's called corruption. The word you were looking for is "corruption"
Just wait till you hear that Russel got off penalty free for impeding a car on a fast lap in Abu Dhabi
F1 is turning into nascar, it just matches it so perfectly with the stewarding
And it's one of the reasons why I stopped watching the show is there a identity becomes more and more lost and more of a husk of a former self.
Stone Cold Steve Austin for FIA President.
Hell yeah
What?
If ya smell what The Rock is cookin'!
Hell yeah
I mean we already basically have “Because Sulayem Said So!”
I'd like to see him bring his beer truck for wet tyre tests.
not to mention that mirror was just slightly off the racing line on basically the ONLY proper overtaking opportunity on the whole track so obviously a car would eventually run it over and cause it to litter carbon fibre everywhere
I was hoping you’d do this. My prayers have been answered. We need to expose the FIA for the criminals they are.
“How will this affect who wins?” is simply not a thought that should occur when deciding on safety measures.
Otherwise you end up in the messes of 2021
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Eh, maybe remove FIA from racing and morph it into free diving society?
DDDDD
Give me all the Ds
Steiner....one thing for sure is swearing will not be frowned upon. I can hear Steiner now "Lando is a fooking legend for missing those waved yellows "
But I am sure Steiner would also have sacked the idiot who didn't call for a safety car when that mirror was in the only passing zone of this crap track
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Either Steiner is good, Guenther or Scott, even Rick Steiner is better than whoever is in charge now.
RPM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When FIA directors look like James Bond villains, you know you've made a mistake.
I don't blame him. It's hard to take part in sports washing when there's accountability involved.
I said it before, it is NOT up to the driver(s) to judge whether or not a double yellow is appropriate. Just lift. Even Lando accepted the penalty wholeheartedly. But I guess that the bottom half of the internet is better qualified to make that judgement.
7:15 He just said that LN could potentially have not seen the yellows, not that he decided to intentionally ignore them.
@@estianjordaan5909the marshalls were visible even on his onboard. No excuse.
@@estianjordaan5909 He didn't lift at all, except for the corner, even after it appeared on his dash.
@@estianjordaan5909 Max saw the yellows and he was in front of Lando. If he could see them and lift, so could Lando.
Technically correct, but nobody seems to understand the problem is different: did EVERYONE lift but Lando? And did everyone lift in the following 4 laps where the flag was still exposed? We know Max did...kinda (0.6s is not "slowing down and be prepared to stop", but it has been deemed somewhat acceptable since the late 1990s, so it's ok), but what about the others? And if they didn't and didn't get penalized, what was the rationale behind it? Also, why was it ok NOT to lift in the next 4 laps whit the flag exposed?
Good grief, this is NASCAR-levels of BS.
The FiA is a comedy of errors
NASCAR is better run than this. You can question why they do some things, but they come off with a reasonable argument and they don't fire people with no explanation. NASCAR isn't perfect, but they are not this level of arrogant
@@marklittle8805NASCAR is still one of the worst motorsports in the world, and F1 is STILL somehow worse than that!
7:13 completely disagree on this, the issue was not the panel, it's the fact that there was a marshal waving double yellows which Max saw and lifted for, and Lando didn't lift for, since he probably didn't see it
I'm an old fart nearing their 60s, and I've been a fan of F1 since the early 1970s. I've been through the trials and trivulations, especially the Balestre years where he was a biased and disgusting wanker who tilted everything in the favour of his friends and France in general.
And yet despite this, I'd go further and say that the current FIA is not patheitic but utterly unfit for any purpose.
They are there to govern and referee the sport and other motorsportts and they are not only utterly failing in this but making it a bloody joke.
They must either get rid of the leadership or disband.
an arabic prince that want complete power with zero repercussion and accountability ? i've never thought that would happen😂
Impeding a car that isn't on a hot lap - 1 grid place penalty
Impeding a car on a hot lap - no penalty
Contact with a car resulting in them spinning from second place to last - 10 second penalty
Making contact with another car with no damage to race or car - also a 10 second penalty
I always knew George was that kid that would run and tell the teach on people growing up. Had that look
The FIA is makes drivers less likable. Constantly complaining and snitching. Exploiting loopholes at 300kph. Lawyers in race suits. Genuinely unlikable people.
George impeding Lawson and not getting a penalty is what prompted me to watch this.
Three different series in the same week was always going to be too much for one person to handle. I’m honestly shocked the mirror safety car fiasco is the only thing that happened.
LAWVS called it.
Yeah about Andretti … the FIA only did because Michael Andretti stepped down.
No, FIA actually gave Andretti the green light months ago, it was FOM that threw a hissy fit and then changed their minds after Michael stepped down.
Incorrect. FiA told Andretti to keep pushing, even legally if necessary. F1 (LM) is the one that only let GM in after Andretti stepped down.
9:30 tell us how you really feel! 😂😂. Anyway. Totally agree.
and today in quali, Russel impedded Lawson on a flying lap and got no penalty
We need a deep dive into the FIA’s “Mobility” division. If they act this cryptic in their most public but secondary roll of Motorsport governance, I’m willing to bet that their primary “Mobility” operation is questionable at best.
It was George that called Max a bully, not the other way around.
And a stop and go penalty for ignoring double yellows in a race is consistent with previous incidents (Latifi and Mazepin in Austria 21, and Kimi in Belgium 17).
Now of course arguments can be made if the yellows should have been out rather than a form of SC, but you still have to obey the law even if you don't agree with it.
I don't buy the yellow panel flashed too late for Lando since Max saw it and did lift but the mess was caused by them not clearing up the mirror in the first place
yes the panel flashed late for lando but there was a double waved yellow from the marshalls post aswell
The other drivers knew it was a double yellow, so there had been ample warning.
Title: "The FIA Are Completely Pathetic.."
My reaction: Forget about TH-cam community standards and tell us how you really feel...
George's actions on the track on that out lap in quali and what he's said happened just don't click with me. He wasn't behaving normally out there.
The legendary Josh coming out of semi-retirement to smash one out of the Paaark. That's saying something
Things like this are why I struggle to take F1 seriously and struggle to be a fan of it, what a total circus.
10 seconds stop and go is a standard penalty for not slowing for double yellow (rainkonnen 2017, latiffi 2021, Mazepin 2021), this is not out of the blue. Not retreiving the mirror that was close to racing line on the end of the only strainght where drivers can reasonably overtake was moronic.
Has anyone seen the clip of Oscar ripping his arm away from MBS, it’s comedy gold. Shows you clearly what the drivers think of him
The stop-go penalty for Lando though is normal. Not even ancient history. Kimi got one in 2017. Latifi got one in 2021. For the same thing. It is one of the few times the stewards and FIA have actually been consistent and followed precedent.
to think he's crazy enough to ask for a re-election for a 2nd term
He doesn’t need to be crazy if he gets rid of everyone in the organization that opposes him and replaces them with yes men.
Terrible leadership getting elected for a second term seems to be a theme this year, so why wouldn't he try?
The Norris penalty for failing to slow is a terrible example of an overblown punishment...
Do that in karting and you lose your license. Period. Are we holding kids in karts to higher standards than F1 drivers?
couch experts are at it again:
He's more than pathetic, he's a freaking sith lord, get Luke skywalker in the chat now before I choke on my own vomit
Ilove how the F1 community came together to all hate MBS and Russel after this race.
FIA or FIFA, which sport's governing body is the bigger shit show? Hard to tell these days
UCI: Allow me to introduce myself.
Bin sulk-watsit is starting to behave like Emperor Palpatine
Norris got the penalty for the lap after they came on, not the first one. The first lap it only just came on as he went past, the next lap he had double yellows the whole way down and didn't slow.
What is it about motorsports series and their executives crapping the bed over the course of the 2024 season? The FIA/F1 and NASCAR had a horrifyingly bad year.
He's trying to turn the FIA into FIFA.
Which is par for the course that I stopped when tuning in to any other network. That airs a Formula 1, especially ESPN here in the United States.
The FIA has always been about as corrupt as FIFA for decades lmao.
Group B was dangerous yes, but Group S (the replacement) took safety concerns into effect and was a more stringent rulebook, Balestre and Ecclestone axed both because the WRC was getting to F1s level of popularity. Group C died a similar death.
"one could argue that the panel flashed ultra late for [Lando] and it would have been difficult for him to spot"
uhhh, no. that's not a valid argument at all. the LED panels aren't anything more than a visual aid. What really counts is the marshall clearly waving double yellow flags. Even if the LED panel was green, the flag still counts (as precedented in Brazil 2012). Drivers are trained from their very first days in karting to look out for flags at any time, and so, a late flashing LED panel is no excuse for being the only one to not slow down. The penalty they gave Lando, therefore, was not harsh at all. It is exactly how this kind of infringement has been penalized in the past, and there's no way of explaining it away.
Bring in somebody who ISN'T a rich middle eastern guy?
FIA Boss: Drivers shouldn't use this language like rappers
Fans: FIA Executives shouldn't use their power to be dictators. Just cos their country is a dictatorship.......
I have just started but the fact that he signed off on the 10 year saudi deal for the WRC while no other country can get more than a year along with the back peddling in wrc since they said they would devise a new more affordable set of regs just to say nuh uh
JOSH REVELL FOR FIA PRESIDENT! 🔥🏎️
Russel's recent behaviour is far from that of a world champion, a world champion will maximize what he can do within the rules and not invent imaginary incidents to get a competitor unfairly punished.
World Champion 😂😂😂 He's a lucky midfield driver at best.
7:15, there's more than just the panel on the side of the track, there's a light on his steering wheel and also the marshal further up the road from the panel that was literally waving 2 yellow flags, he had plenty of opportunities to see and react to the double yellow and he didn't, and he got a penalty that is historically what you see for what he did
3:57 I swear, if Russel and Verstappen got into a title fight with each other that is going to be soo Entertaning 😈💀
Entertaining *
@ oki
Mostly because the embodiment of bri’ish in F1 and sim racer will fight each other of the cars ?
time to give mohammed ben sulayem the health insurance ceo special
who could have possibly imagined putting Ben Sulayem in charge would lead to a clown show? everyone? oh!
Both Hamilton and Sainz's punctures are now known to have occurred before the mirror was even hit.
I am being deadly serious right now. The Race director for Qatar is a complete joke based on his decision making skills.
Video: FIA bashing
Comments: Russell bashing
I kinda feel for the RD on this one. We've had plenty of similar sized bits break off cars this year (front wing endplates etc) without a SC thrown. It wasn't on the racing line -but it was leading into the only overtake spot on the circuit. FIA rules state that a SC is called when there is danger to drivers or track personnel. There clearly wasn't here. With the spread of the cars on track a VSC would have done nothing -maybe an extra second between cars. Not enough for a marshall to have retireved it. It may have caused some cars to pit, which might have opened up a gap, but there was no guarantee. I'm guessing they were hoping that the wake from one of the cars might have pushed the thing closer to the pit wall. Was Bottas told about the danger -if so, it was his choice to be on that part of the track that led to Sainz/Hamilton's punctures.
Lando's penalty was completely justified (and that's from a big McLaren fan). The light panel was marginal, but the double flag were easy to see. He chose not to lift. F*** around and find out. Do we need to be reminded of the outcome of Jules Bianci's accident, also under double waved yellows? We can argue from our couches all we like about whether there was any real danger here, but the driver can't be sure. It shouldn't be his call. If there are double waved yellows you lift. I bet Lando will never make that mistake again.
Anyway, the RD would have had a dozen people shouting in his ear for those 8 minutes. Whatever call he made would ruin someone's race. Who'd want that job?
The sport is being a joke because of men in suits who never drive
you said it, man.
Anyone who’s seen George’s onboards knows who in the wrong lol. Woody knew where Max was at all times thanks to his engineer
the penalty wasn't for "george not knowing where max is" it was for driving unnecessarily slowly, which is dangerous, it's in the rulebook for a reason
during a fucken COOLDOWN LAP? Stop making up rules as you go lmfao and George knew Max was slow up ahead. Yet he pushed into Max, and ended up blaming him. If you think Max was at fault you might as well should just stop watching f1
@@drugs4sal3 it’s not in the rulebook you prat. Stop making up rules as you go on. And they weren’t on a hot lap either. they were COOLDOWN laps. And George knew where Max was, if anything George should be penalised for almost hitting Max. You Merc fans can really be insufferable
@@drugs4sal3so why don’t they penalize drivers for monza quail then? It’s just a whole train of drivers going slowly until someone goes first
@@brycestewart4717 why don't they is a damn good question. Since the delta got brought in over a year ago this is the first time I've seen it actually penalised even though it's broken pretty much every weekend. Max broke the rule and deserved that penalty, but so did so many others, not just in Qatar, but in so many other races. Wild thought, but maybe if they actually start enforcing the rule from here on drivers won't keep breaking it
don’t forget how the fia basically shat all over gt500 by forcing everything to be a dtm car for no reason
the best thing about being a race fan in the US is that the FIA has no real power over any of our series...
I don't know who is the bigger joke: the fia or it's president
Even NASCAR's leadership has to be like
"That's pretty corrupt and messed-up."
The FIA recently held back a change for the next season, but then drivers pushed for it with something like "if it's wrong, fix it now"
But then they change logic when it comes to a change they dislike.
The Lando and Lewis penalties did seem pretty harsh but apparently it's the normal penalties for those offenses. In the last 10 years not lifting under double yellows happened three times and in each case they got the 10 second stop go penalty. And apparently Lewis broke the speed limite by more than 10km/h, which is a drive through penalty. But besides those the decisions were a bit odd that race.
MBS out, liberty media out
Lando may have missed the panel but the flags were out after the panel so no excuse
That is true, but the flags shouldn't have been there in the first place. As soon as the mirror fell, a VSC or 1 lap SC should've been called to pick it up. Double waived yellows mean nothing if the debris isn't removed. The penalty itself, by the rules was correct and has been consistent over the last couple years, but it should never have happened in the first place
”Does a bear shit in the woods?”
*Well I’ve only seen a bear take a shit once and it was in my garden so….* 🤪😂
Let’s be more specific it’s not the FIA that needs to go it is the president, race director, steward consistency, and racing rules that need to go/ be revised. Blaming the FIA as an organization is call to action yes but doesn’t target the rotten apples making it bad.
When I fist saw this video, I accidentally read "The FBI are Pathetic" and wondered why Josh was doing an FBI video, but I agreed with them being pathetic. 😆 Ahhhhh, FIA.....that makes more sense.
This guy made Bernie Eccelstone look like a saint.
FIA saw all the Ferrari clown memes and decided they wanted some of that action.
MBS is destroying the sport from the inside
AS USUAL, WHEN MONEY GETS TOO INVOLVED, IT RUINS IT.
One minor correction: Max wasn't on a cooldown lap, he was on a warmup lap. Yes, I know the FIA said he was on a cooldown lap, but that's incorrect because of course they cannot be bothered to get their facts straight when explaining their ruling.
I don't think it's arguable that Lando should have slowed. Max slowed, and he had worse visibility than Lando. However, what IS very much arguable is that the double yellow flag never should have been shown in the first place, and was shown and withdrawn arbitrarily to the point where it was nearly impossible to know what was going on even with the luxury of watching the broadcast. From the moment the mirror came off the car, I was waiting for a safety car of some kind only for the race director to completely ignore it until it got smashed into a thousand pieces, despite the fact that it was on the one place of the track where drivers would be VERY likely to go off the racing line (even if a driver is not going to make an overtake attempt, if their power unit is getting hot due to dirty air then they will need to move over to increase cooling). The mirror was out there for 4 laps before it got hit, which is a really long time to leave debris on the track without doing anything about it other than showing a double yellow flag (which makes no sense at all if they truly thought it was no big deal).
What mistakes did Nils Wittich do? I think he did a pretty bang on job as race director (remember: he's not in charge of deciding the penalties, thats the stewards).
He probably had the audacity to call MBS out on his... well, BS.
I've been so deep in replaying cyberpunk lately, I saw this video was about the FIA and was thoroughly confused
MBS is the Sepp Blatter of the automotive world...
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no that penalty Russell pushed for is NOT something to love, that is waaayyyy to shady! And like many said, let me then put myself in a dangerous situation like Russell did, because Russell WAS the reason for it when he had a clear view of Max the whole time! And the usual 3 drop? You know how many where under the delta.... NONE of them in many other races as well did NOT get a penalty at all, so what do you mean the usual?
That kind of behaviour I am not a fan of at all.
The Norris excuse.. Max was slowing down... the person that was AHEAD of him... and then the penalty is the same as 2 in 2021. (even though i find it harsh it is normal in comparison to previous similar situations as in not slowing down with a double yellow)
What I don't get about people still saying that 'maybe it was hard for Lando to notice it because the panel turned on late.' is that:
1. The team could have let him know and didn't
2. By the FIA's own logic, you can see Lando's head looking in the direction of the clear double yellow flag, that even I with my shitty eyes could see
3. If Max saw it, who was in front, who it would have been even more difficult for to see,. how is it supposedly more difficult for Lando?
4. Anyone that actually looked into this would know that a 10 second stop/go penalty, is the standard for not slowing down under double yellow when racing.
Just saying, yes, the FIA screwed up plenty, but I'm a little tired of people defending the likes of Russell and Norris, and still daring to say that British bias isn't a thing. Especially when even Norris himself said that the penalty was fair and made sense.
And this channel, which has in the past made videos about Max' style of racing and certain things, to now suddenly wank Russell's dick for not giving a shit and being a giant hypocrite, while being the chairman of the GPDA, is kind of dumb as fuck, if you excuse my French.
I've seen dive bombers plunge to earth slower and more gracefully then what MBS is doing, also the money to give to the people who decide if he stays or not sound like coup much
The _S_ stands for Stuka.
This is why I don't watch F1. Political mudslinging and sub-par race directors. They need to learn a LOT from the WEC
My guy Josh pulling no punches
Did he deserve it? Yes
Does a bear shit in the woods? Also yes!
Josh for FIA president!
Good as usual but don't conflate race control with the stewards. George didn't "push heavily" for Max to get a penalty up in race control. He did so in the stewards office. Big difference.