👏👏👏10/10 for the airbox design, location & high intake at the front - imo dry paper filters designed for EU cannot actually filter fine Aussie dust, so just oil them or switch to TwinAir foam. Guessing it lacks low end torque based on the motogp RPMs I heard. Guessing the 890R slides are way better with their more advsnced TC 1-9 choice system? Fair and honest review 🎉
In previous models Enduro Pro equivalent to Slip Control 3 on Kato. Not now it’s like Slip 5 or 6. 🥹 . Deceptively effective engine in revs under 3500 Revs
BMW are back in business on the ADV front with the 900. Needs a bigger tank and that airbox may be sucking in dust so they need to look at that, but this is the first BMW I would consider buying if I didn't already have the T7.
What is interesting new Voge DS900X Adventure is 70% same bike and has same engine produced by Loncin in China for half the price. BMW actually bought this engine from Loncin.
maybe they should of called it the "dual sport" version? at over 200kg and with the front mudguard clearance Im struggling to see that bike as a enduro bike
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV none that i know of, which is even more of a reason its a stretch calling it a enduro, and probably better called a dual sport (my bikes got 21cm front guard clearance, single cylinder, 166kg and mine still aint even classed as a enduro bike)
Great Review Dave. The bike looks amazing.. I already own the 1250GS and I gotta say this coming from a KTM 950 previously .....I just bought another adventure bike with no electronics...and I can't wait to get on it when it arrives. The fact that he is recommending "Rain" for throttle response in the dirt is counter intuitive and in some ways means BMW got it wrong if the 1250 is a different choice. I find the electronics good and bad. Nothing makes you more connected to a bike that no intervention. IMHO
I agree with you on the rider modes. Good and bad. The fact that Being in the incorrect mode could get you in trouble on a hill climb as it did Clubby.
A bike with software so complex if its not perfectly dialed into conditions it'll stop you going up a hill a 1980s low CC bottom end farm abused trail bike will climb effortlessly....
That complex software protects riders from harming themselves. Particularly those not familiar with riding on dirt surfaces. As usual, and primarily because I film from the top of the helmet the gradient is grossly understated and the surface was incredibly slippery. I own a T7, I get the 'no interference' thing, but in fairness that was user error that was easily overcome by one push of a button on his left side that he failed to do.
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV I concur tech has its place and can help. I appreciate your response and I do get your point of view. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one though mate. I will emphatically argue that it does not protect riders. It's an aid to safety and handling proficiency not a replacement or crutch to protect bad or inexperienced riders. I'd even suggest it is potentially more dangerous when inexperienced riders hit the programming and then have confidence their bike will get them through when their skill otherwise wouldn't vs learning slow and steady in a crawl-walk-run fashion. Helpful? Yes. Do they always get it right though? No. There is a balance point with tech and I'd suggest stalling on a steep incline is in itself potentially very dangerous. As a very experienced and skilled rider, If he was in the right gear and had the toque and power of a 900, correctly applied, with suitably treaded tires he should have made it up regardless rather than the computer causing a stall. Yes I get he didn't set it up right. That only serves to support my point that i believe we are going too far with how much input these computers have into bikes.
Rode my mates f900gs enduro with the enduro Pro package nearly 5 weeks ago, loved it, very nimble and sporty feeling on road, it's better offroad than my 23 desert x , tempted to trade my desert x in for one...very smooth linear power and looks lovely aswel, bmw done a great job on it, didn't like the 17 inch rear wheel size and the tank at 14.5 liters is a little small but it was showing 56-57 miles to the gallon in dynamic mode, suspension is nice and firm which I liked and the electronics and brakes and quick shifter was great... Good review guys
Another fine review as always. Would you choose it over the 900 Ralley Pro for the "average" rider though. 200km range could certainly make for an adventure.
I feel that it's lacking an identity, is that headlight taken from a Honda or something? Seems like a great bike but remove the BMW badge and no one would know what bike it is. It doesn't have the GS-ness anymore imo. I feel like BMW is splitting their lower end adv segment into two extreme models, the 800GS being useless off road and the 900GS being bad at touring. the 900GSA is hard to justify when it priced close to a 1300GS and weighs more. That's probably why it's not out in all markets yet.
Am i the only one who doesnt get excited about, or use, all the drive modes? I have a KTM 1090 Adventure R and only use full power sport mode in the dirt and on the road with ABS on (it works that well) and traction control off. The power delivery on these multi cylinder bikes is so smooth that i cant see a reason to dumb it down and spend hours frigging around with settings instead of riding
Was there dust on the clean side of that airbox??? Looked like it😮 Fuel range appears to be a fail for Australian conditions. 200/250km range for most medium to harder chargers is useless Great all round review
The BMW900 is a beast of a bike but I think you would have to be a experienced rider too fully appreciate this big. Price is up there but not excessive for what it is. Having said that, I could buy 3 brand new Himalayan for the same amount
For an Enduro model, that non-folding gear lever will last 5 mins if you crash on it, and the cartridge style air filter is really suspect - they should've learned a lesson from KTM's one on the 790 that these just don't seal properly. One good thing is the standard TPMS - its the best safety feature on bikes these days. From someone who's ridden big kms - its pretty much useless as an adventure bike in Australia because of the lack of standard fuel range. I recently rode to Northeast WA on my GSA1200 (5.5L per 100km), with 30L in the main tank and a 12 Litre bladder on the back and needed every bit on one leg.
Yep, that's one ride and for the rest of the time you easily get by with that big tank. I get it. I use a bladder on my 701. I don't think it's fatal to the bike. I've just ridden from Melbourne to Sydney on it and had a ball in the bush.
Can someone explain why manufacturers often pair their motorcycles with a 21-inch front wheel and a 17-inch rear wheel (21/17 setup) instead of a 21/18 setup? It's quite difficult to find a true off-road tire for a 17-inch rim.
None of my bikes have electronic riding modes. Maybe I would like it but it just seems so complicated. I'm an older rider who can afford this complexity but I work on my bikes and the modern bikes are like modern cars, there is very little an owner can do anymore. Eventually I will buy a new bike with all the latest and see if I actually use all these modes, or just find one I like and leave it there.
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV You're smarter than a lot of us I think. Maybe you can call your countryman ARiemann1 because he just did a review of the bike and he said he couldn't figure out how to turn off the ABS. Or was it Traction Control? I forget now and I just watched his video. With my lousy memory I can see myself going through menu's looking for what I want. But you did make it look pretty simple. Or maybe if I could ride with a BMW Ambassador the first time to be able to ask, "How do I...?" Always enjoy your MAD capers on any bike. I'm still doing my adv rides on a DR650 so you know I'm in the dark ages with modern electronic control aids. I even removed the ABS on my Wee-Strom so that I had brakes going down loose rock trails.
@@JagLite one button on the left turns traction control on and off. One button on the right changes modes. It only become more if you want to personalise off road pro
Just another expensive adventure bike, already bored. It’s bigger and more powerful, what’s new? I’m more excited about what the smaller class bikes are doing, RE Himalayan 450 and so on.
Dave. A good point about fuel economy. Years ago before the internet I read about a trail ride with a group of riders in one of the magazines of the time. One of the riders was Stephen Gall who got the best fuel economy and as you'd guess he was the best rider there. Someone gave me advise along time ago; Smooth is fast
Darce, for off road focussed T7 riders thinking of uograding does this make sense?? Love my T7 and and also like the look of tuareg. Have done some very snotty stuff in Vic high country multiple times and need to upgrade suspension like your T7 or use the same coin on upgrade. Does it feel substantially heavier to your T7 as per actual weight difference? Cheers mate.
Great Vid, looks like fuel range may be the only thing to hold it back. I technically dont 'need' the range but certainly dont want to stop as often as a 14,5L would need.
Love your videos and find them really informative in a no BS way! I'm in the market for a mid size adventure and have taken quite a few for test rides. I rode the F900GS last weekend and loved it - really balanced with smooth power delivery amongst other things. I know the fuel size not ideal, however I reckon i'd need a stretch by the time it needed filling and you can always throw a bladder on the back for touring. Thanks again for your awesome content.
I agree. Fuel is not an issue unless you head to the outback. On my 701 I have used an 8 litre fuel bladder for those out of the way places and use it about once every two years.
How does it compare with the Tuareg for your described riding style? Switched from a first generation F800GS to a Tuareg last year and I think BMW may have made-up for all the shortcomings of the original F800GS. with this version.
This is the best F900 GS review on the internet so far , I enjoyed every bit of it. Would you recommend this over the aprilia Tuareg 660 ? Both for on/off road which one would you think is better. Budget is not an issue. Thx
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV Other than access the servicing , which one is better off-road(gravel , desert and mountains) Finally long distance on tarmac. I would highly appreciate your input as cannot decide which one to choose coming October. Both bikes are excellent and I test rode both.
Over intrusive TC in off road mode is just bad engineering. I'm also skeptical of the durability of the Chinese engine (well know in three years or so). The engine sound like a bucket of bolts as well.
Exactly. These bikes are too powerful for their intended purpose.... and then you pay extra for the "modes" to dial them back. Better off on a Himalyan with an extra $20k in the bank!
Great review guys 👍 I've a feeling this bike will do pretty well for sales, but I'm sure BMW will be wary of the Adventure version pinching sales from the 1300 GS - it's that good, and much better looking 😊
Looks a great bike. It's a shame it's taken BMW 5 years to make something even close to the KTM 790/890 adventure R, and still it's heavier despite carrying less fuel and being more minimalist. The TC seems pretty poor in comparison too. I feel like you were being kind/diplomatic in that regard at times. Typically you guys talk a lot about fuel anxiety, so I was surprised the range was only mentioned once or twice at the end of the video, compared to the Tiger 900 video.
The TC is right up there. Look at the tests on this channel. I've tested them all. In terms of fuel anxiety, I don't think I could have said it more clearly in the conclusion. I rest my case.
What does it want to be?! Singel track? Get a smal enduro. Adventurebike? Get a bike with safe 400-500km range. Weekendroad tripp bike? Safe 300km and road tires... so for what the enduro tires and suspension...
Doesn't make alot of sense to me with such minimal range. You can get that from a 690/701. Even my 500excf with 12 litre tank is good for 250kms. 18-20 litres needed for a bike like this.
Very nice review of an impressive bike! Here in Europe the fuel range wouldn't be that much of an issue. The price is though.. once you add the dynamic and enduro pro packs + the Cruise control (which really shouldn't be an optional extra at this price point.. come on BMW!), this is an expensive bike!
Nice bike. I had to un-Subscribe and then Re-subscribe because TH-cam stopped showing me your videos. I love the videos you put out. They are a must watch. You definitely deserve 10 fold the subscriber base that you have.
Thank you. Yes I suffer from the youtube algorithm that want to keep you in one lane. I love doing long form movies and bike builds and it doesn't like the change in content.
Ripper of a Mid-Sized dirt weapon, that BMW has come up with. I'd need a bit more fuel range I think. Then again, I wish the 890 had more range as well. It wouldn't take much, another half gallon or so.
Hopefully Safari or IMS will make an aftermarket tank for this model. BMW Australia should fit a bigger tank for their Australian customers because Australia is not a small country.
I pretty confident we haven't seen the last of this. Who's to say the current GSA couldn't be replaced with the running gear of this. I can't see this being a one off model.
For the Americans, the metric conversion is simple. 4.7 - 5.7 liters per hundred kilometers with a 14.5 liters tank gives you somewhere in the neighborhood of 200k on a tank. 200k is 31.5 stone or 435 lbs according to Google and that's the weight of the bike you'll be pushing when you're out of gas.
Bike looks great but the 14.5ltr fuel tank is a bit of a shame compared to the other bikes in the sector. Looking forward to you guys testing the new Honda Africa Twin.
Nice review, I really like this bike, I test rode one about 2 weeks ago (the yellow one) although it didn't have the suspension pack on it, black forks
Clearly that thing is too powerful, has odd settings and weights a ton, and high, still, especially with all the needed protection gizmos and features of the catalog. Looks good, can do a lot, but didn’t hit the sweetsport, neither as long-range mule tourer, nor as a sports-offroad-adventure. You can say it’s inbetween, but it isn’t it’s off that inbetween. No worry, the panamerica is worse on the other side of the sweetspot, can’t even roll smoothly below 3.5krpm, hated it when I rode it, top-heavy, too and no off-road suspension, sure gravel stuff, but not much more, instead a lot of flimsy plastic and a shielded leg-burner cat. Crashbar mounts on the engine? LOL!
I just test rode an F900gs on Saturday and i found it to be rather wonderful on the rode, smooth engine, great handling and all of the tech features were seamless and only added to the ride. I only did about 20 minutes offroad with it but it felt well balanced and overall much better than I was expecting in terms of holding a line and digging out of loose dirt.
@@hoppybounce It would change weekly. The top four are outstanding. It comes down to reliability, warranty, service centre proximity and the mighty dollar.
This is a fantastic bike. maybe better than Himalayan in every way. But if you wanna go on an adventure , paying almost 30k for just the bike just blows 🤯 my mind. In coming years Once Himalayan gets little lighter , gets better rear suspension . Adds cruise control … things gonna get interesting
I call that style of riding fluff. I don't mean it in a disingenuous way after all I too filmed fluff from Miles. But let's be clear that's not Adventure, but it does highlight the potential of the bike. In his first video Adam hasn't tuned the suspension yet, nor has he checked static sag. Wait until he sets it up for his weight and purpose and then let's see what he says.
I’m in the market for a mid sized bike in the next month or so and had my heart set on a Husky Norden Expedition! But with all the camshaft issues- I might be looking at the Adventure Ride Pro model or the Triumph Rally Pro now! 👍🏻
To quote from your own headlining video, "I'm not going to tell you how to ride." Hmmmmmm :). I punch out a video per fortnight and sometime weekly. Solo shooter producer. I cut corners. Maybe you could become my editor, for 40 mins content from 5 cameras I will demand a turn around of 2 days.
Good job putting together another fun vid - all the relevant information in an entertaining way.😀 Sadly, it seems it's another bike with european market in mind...where 14 litres is ok, cos servos are everywhere. I mean seriously, 14 litres!?!?! In any event, the bike is definite improvement on the last one. It will very likely gain a following in australia...but what to do about that fuel tank.
Guys, you were freaking me out! 🤣🤣🤣Myself being from Bavaria, of course we analyze this bike from top to bottom but with "slightly a different language". 🤣🤣🤣 I laughed myself silly and so did my wife! Great show! But on the other hand I hardly saw such a well made video about the F 900. Fantastic job! Channel is subscribed! Can't wait to see more! 👊💪
So if you could have a Triumph 900 Rally Pro or BMW 900 GS Enduro which would you choose for two track, easy off road and half time on street? I have a KTM 890, Tenere and a BMW 1250 GS so I have experience with what I have and I really enjoy each for what they are. I am just curious. Anyone?
If turning ABS on the fly is not important to you and the best suspension is not either, nor traction control is not important to you then they are pretty close.
I understand. Just curious about your thoughts. I am seriously considering shedding the 1250. The KTM and Tenere suit me off-road. I really want a lighter, but excellent replacement for 70% road that is dirt capable. Bikes are spread out in several locations.
Good vid Dave and Clubby. Seens a well thought out bike. Get on it and go. Fugure out the easy to use ekectronics. Mileage well can be of issue here in USA also. It has been well recieved everywhere. BMW did their work shedding some pounds. All in all a good bike. Interedting in what the cone up with for bags and mounts. Now it's Honda time. Stay safe have fun. Good job guys
Hello to you both; What a great bike review, as usual, professional, constructive and based on experience. However I disagree that you both are 'average' off -road riders. You have very good off-road bike skills, the confident way you ride through many different conditions never ceases to amaze me, I am bloody average. So thanks... you do inspire riders to get out there on the bike they are happy with! David....Adelaide....Triumph Scrambler 1200X ...one bike for all....
Hm, I had my mind set on the 2024 Tiger 900 RP.... Looks like I have to think again! Or at least have another test ride scheduled. Any comments here? Good review! Thanks!
Great both bikes, what separates it for me the the Beemer's on the fly traction control and abs and its sophistication. There is not much between them.
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV Thanks for taking the the time to comment. Now I am torn between brand loyalty - am currently riding a Tiger 800 - and brand patriotism - as I am German. Ah, what a complicated life this is! 😉 Cheers, mate!
Solid review, the real world fuel range was all I was waiting for, that's enough for me. Just have to wait for stock to arrive and the aftermarket to catch up..I hope i can hold out til then 😂
Great video. I appreciate that you consider the bike from a "normal rider" point of view. We're out there doin' it, but no riding contract in today's mail. I have no problem with modes and configs. Keeps me thinking and involved. Bottom line tho, riding aids can never subtract weight. I'm staying in the 690/701 camp for now, maybe fine tune my wind protection.
Fuel range, I get it. Expensive? Close to the 890 R price. You've lost me on heavy. Fuel full 214 kilograms. Fuel Full! Tell me a mid sized twin, fuel full that comes in under 200 kgs!
Clearly? Ok Superman, I don't know how you can see that bump stop. But that aside, there is a huge difference between using the full length of stroke in a controlled way and the bike smashing into the bump stop.
Tell me out of interest, how many times are you going to need this all importantant fuel range, Personally for me on my 701, once every two years for two weeks and I take a fuel bladder.
Best GS 900 Review so far. Thx you from South Africa!
Excellent. We try hard.
Engine is made in China. I can't spend that kinda dollars on an engine made in China.
Where are most engines for most premium bikes made now? Please list them.
900cc, over 100hp, mid sized? That’s not far off super bikes from the mid 1990s. What’s a large adventure bike- 3000cc 1000hp? 😂
We don't let Nugget anywhere near the big ones.
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV I bet nugget loves riding the big ones
@@glennwr450 Actually he doesn't, particularly if you bin it you pay for it.
Smallest adventure bike is a 450, biggest is a 1301. Do the math as to what’s in the middle.
@@snowgsadventures3232 Honda crf300rally, Royale Enfield 400, bmw 310 gs, ktm 390 adventure etc. adventure bikes don’t start at 450cc
👏👏👏10/10 for the airbox design, location & high intake at the front - imo dry paper filters designed for EU cannot actually filter fine Aussie dust, so just oil them or switch to TwinAir foam. Guessing it lacks low end torque based on the motogp RPMs I heard. Guessing the 890R slides are way better with their more advsnced TC 1-9 choice system? Fair and honest review 🎉
In previous models Enduro Pro equivalent to Slip Control 3 on Kato. Not now it’s like Slip 5 or 6. 🥹 . Deceptively effective engine in revs under 3500 Revs
Love the real world detail you get into like rpms, configuring modes etc, and riding proper trails. Vid length and content is great 👍🏼
Thanks
BMW are back in business on the ADV front with the 900. Needs a bigger tank and that airbox may be sucking in dust so they need to look at that, but this is the first BMW I would consider buying if I didn't already have the T7.
Yep I agree. A huge step up.
You guys are gold. Always love the videos.
Thanks so much!
Since when are we calling 220kg bikes "midsize" ?
You're the third person to say this is a well known description of this group of bikes. What twin isn't 200 kg plus.
Still can't accept the fact that BMW used Chinese motor in this bike. 😢
Tell me what manufacturer doesn't
Don't buy a KTM then...
Really? Chinese engines in all manufacturers?
@@goadventuregoexplore8588 Not all, but a decent proportion. And then there's all the parts manufactured there.
@@goadventuregoexplore8588 A substantial proportion of new bikes.
Isn't the airbox allready filled with dust ???!!!! it sure looks Filthy!
There wasn't dust in the air box. Some brown stuff may look like that but it wasn't dust.
What is interesting new Voge DS900X Adventure is 70% same bike and has same engine produced by Loncin in China for half the price. BMW actually bought this engine from Loncin.
Airborne GS Coming!
Miles is a Mad Dog!
Sure is.
maybe they should of called it the "dual sport" version? at over 200kg and with the front mudguard clearance Im struggling to see that bike as a enduro bike
What twin fuel full is under 200 Kgs? I'd love to know. Over a front guard? OK
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV none that i know of, which is even more of a reason its a stretch calling it a enduro, and probably better called a dual sport (my bikes got 21cm front guard clearance, single cylinder, 166kg and mine still aint even classed as a enduro bike)
Great Review Dave. The bike looks amazing.. I already own the 1250GS and I gotta say this coming from a KTM 950 previously .....I just bought another adventure bike with no electronics...and I can't wait to get on it when it arrives. The fact that he is recommending "Rain" for throttle response in the dirt is counter intuitive and in some ways means BMW got it wrong if the 1250 is a different choice. I find the electronics good and bad. Nothing makes you more connected to a bike that no intervention. IMHO
You get that with Enduro Pro if you want it and with Traction control off.
I agree with you on the rider modes. Good and bad. The fact that Being in the incorrect mode could get you in trouble on a hill climb as it did Clubby.
A bike with software so complex if its not perfectly dialed into conditions it'll stop you going up a hill a 1980s low CC bottom end farm abused trail bike will climb effortlessly....
That complex software protects riders from harming themselves. Particularly those not familiar with riding on dirt surfaces. As usual, and primarily because I film from the top of the helmet the gradient is grossly understated and the surface was incredibly slippery. I own a T7, I get the 'no interference' thing, but in fairness that was user error that was easily overcome by one push of a button on his left side that he failed to do.
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV I concur tech has its place and can help. I appreciate your response and I do get your point of view. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one though mate.
I will emphatically argue that it does not protect riders. It's an aid to safety and handling proficiency not a replacement or crutch to protect bad or inexperienced riders. I'd even suggest it is potentially more dangerous when inexperienced riders hit the programming and then have confidence their bike will get them through when their skill otherwise wouldn't vs learning slow and steady in a crawl-walk-run fashion.
Helpful? Yes. Do they always get it right though? No.
There is a balance point with tech and I'd suggest stalling on a steep incline is in itself potentially very dangerous. As a very experienced and skilled rider, If he was in the right gear and had the toque and power of a 900, correctly applied, with suitably treaded tires he should have made it up regardless rather than the computer causing a stall.
Yes I get he didn't set it up right. That only serves to support my point that i believe we are going too far with how much input these computers have into bikes.
Good points.
Rode my mates f900gs enduro with the enduro Pro package nearly 5 weeks ago, loved it, very nimble and sporty feeling on road, it's better offroad than my 23 desert x , tempted to trade my desert x in for one...very smooth linear power and looks lovely aswel, bmw done a great job on it, didn't like the 17 inch rear wheel size and the tank at 14.5 liters is a little small but it was showing 56-57 miles to the gallon in dynamic mode, suspension is nice and firm which I liked and the electronics and brakes and quick shifter was great... Good review guys
Thanks for your insight.
BMW definitely moving this bike in the right direction, though fuel range maybe too compromised for extended travel. Another solid MAD TV review👍
Thank you.
For an old fluff rider, ticks all the boxes👍. We'll find room somewhere for 5 or so ltrs
@@adamhuglo111 😜
Another fine review as always. Would you choose it over the 900 Ralley Pro for the "average" rider though. 200km range could certainly make for an adventure.
I feel that it's lacking an identity, is that headlight taken from a Honda or something? Seems like a great bike but remove the BMW badge and no one would know what bike it is. It doesn't have the GS-ness anymore imo. I feel like BMW is splitting their lower end adv segment into two extreme models, the 800GS being useless off road and the 900GS being bad at touring. the 900GSA is hard to justify when it priced close to a 1300GS and weighs more. That's probably why it's not out in all markets yet.
No information concerning a 900 GSA from BMW. The 2024 model is out although it would seem inevitable it would seem.
Am i the only one who doesnt get excited about, or use, all the drive modes? I have a KTM 1090 Adventure R and only use full power sport mode in the dirt and on the road with ABS on (it works that well) and traction control off. The power delivery on these multi cylinder bikes is so smooth that i cant see a reason to dumb it down and spend hours frigging around with settings instead of riding
Possibly you are the only ones.
Great all around bike with no need to upgrade any components from stock or as your skills get better....a one purchase bike for life.
Well said!
Was there dust on the clean side of that airbox??? Looked like it😮
Fuel range appears to be a fail for Australian conditions. 200/250km range for most medium to harder chargers is useless
Great all round review
No it was not dust
The BMW900 is a beast of a bike but I think you would have to be a experienced rider too fully appreciate this big.
Price is up there but not excessive for what it is.
Having said that, I could buy 3 brand new Himalayan for the same amount
Yeah good points.
Great video Dave and Clubby. So good that you could get Miles along to show just how much you can push the bike. An excellent review.
Yeah I was determined to do that and it worked out.
For an Enduro model, that non-folding gear lever will last 5 mins if you crash on it, and the cartridge style air filter is really suspect - they should've learned a lesson from KTM's one on the 790 that these just don't seal properly. One good thing is the standard TPMS - its the best safety feature on bikes these days. From someone who's ridden big kms - its pretty much useless as an adventure bike in Australia because of the lack of standard fuel range. I recently rode to Northeast WA on my GSA1200 (5.5L per 100km), with 30L in the main tank and a 12 Litre bladder on the back and needed every bit on one leg.
Yep, that's one ride and for the rest of the time you easily get by with that big tank. I get it. I use a bladder on my 701. I don't think it's fatal to the bike. I've just ridden from Melbourne to Sydney on it and had a ball in the bush.
Can someone explain why manufacturers often pair their motorcycles with a 21-inch front wheel and a 17-inch rear wheel (21/17 setup) instead of a 21/18 setup? It's quite difficult to find a true off-road tire for a 17-inch rim.
the Metzler Karoo's did all right.
Kind of heavy
Tell me what twin is under 200 kg fuel full. I need to know. If you want a light bike get a single
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTVbut this one’s 220kg
None of my bikes have electronic riding modes. Maybe I would like it but it just seems so complicated.
I'm an older rider who can afford this complexity but I work on my bikes and the modern bikes are like modern cars, there is very little an owner can do anymore. Eventually I will buy a new bike with all the latest and see if I actually use all these modes, or just find one I like and leave it there.
I think I have been unsuccessul in conveying how simple mode selection is once initially put in. Same button, push, Road, push again Enduro Pro.
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV You're smarter than a lot of us I think. Maybe you can call your countryman ARiemann1 because he just did a review of the bike and he said he couldn't figure out how to turn off the ABS. Or was it Traction Control? I forget now and I just watched his video. With my lousy memory I can see myself going through menu's looking for what I want. But you did make it look pretty simple. Or maybe if I could ride with a BMW Ambassador the first time to be able to ask, "How do I...?"
Always enjoy your MAD capers on any bike. I'm still doing my adv rides on a DR650 so you know I'm in the dark ages with modern electronic control aids. I even removed the ABS on my Wee-Strom so that I had brakes going down loose rock trails.
@@JagLite one button on the left turns traction control on and off. One button on the right changes modes. It only become more if you want to personalise off road pro
Just another expensive adventure bike, already bored. It’s bigger and more powerful, what’s new? I’m more excited about what the smaller class bikes are doing, RE Himalayan 450 and so on.
Good. But it is a huge step forward for BMW. It's highly competitive for mid sized and Himalayan as per our test is brilliant in the smaller capacity.
220km and stressing about fuel? What! My little Honda dual sport does 330km+
Depends how you ride it.
Dave. A good point about fuel economy. Years ago before the internet I read about a trail ride with a group of riders in one of the magazines of the time. One of the riders was Stephen Gall who got the best fuel economy and as you'd guess he was the best rider there. Someone gave me advise along time ago; Smooth is fast
I've ridden with Stephen a number of times. He is so clever how he rides fast and efficiently. It truly is amazing.
Darce, for off road focussed T7 riders thinking of uograding does this make sense?? Love my T7 and and also like the look of tuareg. Have done some very snotty stuff in Vic high country multiple times and need to upgrade suspension like your T7 or use the same coin on upgrade. Does it feel substantially heavier to your T7 as per actual weight difference? Cheers mate.
Nope. T7 feel more top heavy.
Great Vid, looks like fuel range may be the only thing to hold it back. I technically dont 'need' the range but certainly dont want to stop as often as a 14,5L would need.
Actually you would need a break by then anyway.
Love your videos and find them really informative in a no BS way! I'm in the market for a mid size adventure and have taken quite a few for test rides. I rode the F900GS last weekend and loved it - really balanced with smooth power delivery amongst other things. I know the fuel size not ideal, however I reckon i'd need a stretch by the time it needed filling and you can always throw a bladder on the back for touring. Thanks again for your awesome content.
I agree. Fuel is not an issue unless you head to the outback. On my 701 I have used an 8 litre fuel bladder for those out of the way places and use it about once every two years.
Not mid sized.
Are you serious, well you tell me what's mid sized?
How does it compare with the Tuareg for your described riding style? Switched from a first generation F800GS to a Tuareg last year and I think BMW may have made-up for all the shortcomings of the original F800GS. with this version.
The 800 GS is dead. Long live the 900! No comparison
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV True. My question was about comparison with the Tuareg.
Is there finally a BMW twin that could convince me to replace my KTM990 Enduro R? I have never been impressed with any BMW Twin made so far.
liked the bit with the snake! and perhaps the pillion pegs pushing on your calves can work as stegpegz...
nothing like a good snake
This is the best F900 GS review on the internet so far , I enjoyed every bit of it.
Would you recommend this over the aprilia Tuareg 660 ?
Both for on/off road which one would you think is better. Budget is not an issue.
Thx
Yes. Because of access to servicing. But remember it doesn't have a long fuel range.
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Other than access the servicing , which one is better off-road(gravel , desert and mountains)
Finally long distance on tarmac.
I would highly appreciate your input as cannot decide which one to choose coming October. Both bikes are excellent and I test rode both.
2:00 Dave I was right about the plastic key in the tool pack wasn't I .👋🤠👍
Beemer haven't got back to me, si I can only take your. word for it.
See, Ducati. That’s how you do air filter access.
Yep!
No chain guide.
Yep
Where does the Yamaha Tenere World Raid rank in the mid-size adv segment?
It's certainly up there but not when it comes to electronic sophistication
The best test I've seen yet. So much depth you guys went to explain the traction and users interaction can change things. Simply the best!
Our pleasure! Spread the link.
Honda
Thanks
Cracking intro of a beautiful powerslide dirt cloud, dudes... what an awesome test review! Keep'em coming! ✊🏻✊🏻🙌
Thank you.
Excellent review. And nice to see a little of my back yard in the Wattagans too.
Such a great bike let down by the small fuel range.
I don't agree. One ride a year you'll need the extra fuel range. Grab a bladder and whince, that's what I do in the 701.
What about the new 800? As an adventure/gravel bike?
Nope, not for me. I like this one.
Over intrusive TC in off road mode is just bad engineering. I'm also skeptical of the durability of the Chinese engine (well know in three years or so). The engine sound like a bucket of bolts as well.
Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed?
😂
Use “Rain” as the engine setting when in Enduro Pro. Does this dial back power?
If yes, for dirt, what is the point for bigger and stronger engines?
That's not what was said, it changes changes the power delivery still alowing powerslides and wheelies. Have another listen to Miles.
Exactly. These bikes are too powerful for their intended purpose.... and then you pay extra for the "modes" to dial them back. Better off on a Himalyan with an extra $20k in the bank!
Oh, thats what Lucky looks like grown up and not a dog.
ha ha
how is it compared to africa twin, non ES version, 2024
There's dust in the airbox....
There wasn't dust in the air box. Some brown stuff may look like that but it wasn't dust.
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV Sure looks like dust.
Great review guys 👍
I've a feeling this bike will do pretty well for sales, but I'm sure BMW will be wary of the Adventure version pinching sales from the 1300 GS - it's that good, and much better looking 😊
We shall see
Can you turn off all traction control and ABS.....??
Well yes, kinda. On all big bikes there will always be abs on the front, well in Australia anyway.
Looks a great bike. It's a shame it's taken BMW 5 years to make something even close to the KTM 790/890 adventure R, and still it's heavier despite carrying less fuel and being more minimalist. The TC seems pretty poor in comparison too. I feel like you were being kind/diplomatic in that regard at times. Typically you guys talk a lot about fuel anxiety, so I was surprised the range was only mentioned once or twice at the end of the video, compared to the Tiger 900 video.
The TC is right up there. Look at the tests on this channel. I've tested them all. In terms of fuel anxiety, I don't think I could have said it more clearly in the conclusion. I rest my case.
Nice bike but to expensive Desert X is cheaper to buy it’s what ever suits I want on/off road for camping 🏕️ maybe Norden 901 or Africa Twin 🤷🏻
I'm not sure the Desert X is way cheaper than this.
Again a bloody awesome review Dave and Clubby. The 900 is an awesome bit of kit. I recognised some of the trails. Goldie’s Spur is an awesome track.
Thanks.
What does it want to be?! Singel track? Get a smal enduro. Adventurebike? Get a bike with safe 400-500km range. Weekendroad tripp bike? Safe 300km and road tires... so for what the enduro tires and suspension...
Thanks for your view.
Retired now so more bum ache times ahead - travel to parts of the world, ride a motorbike, and smile.....what is not to like about that eh :-)
agree
Doesn't make alot of sense to me with such minimal range. You can get that from a 690/701. Even my 500excf with 12 litre tank is good for 250kms. 18-20 litres needed for a bike like this.
I'm hearing you
Very nice review of an impressive bike!
Here in Europe the fuel range wouldn't be that much of an issue.
The price is though.. once you add the dynamic and enduro pro packs + the Cruise control (which really shouldn't be an optional extra at this price point.. come on BMW!), this is an expensive bike!
Thanks for sharing!
Nice bike. I had to un-Subscribe and then Re-subscribe because TH-cam stopped showing me your videos. I love the videos you put out. They are a must watch. You definitely deserve 10 fold the subscriber base that you have.
Thank you. Yes I suffer from the youtube algorithm that want to keep you in one lane. I love doing long form movies and bike builds and it doesn't like the change in content.
Awesome test for an awesome bike. :)
Greetings from Canada!
sounds like an overkill
Oh. Well if your into medium twins this is up there with all on the top shelf.
Ripper of a Mid-Sized dirt weapon, that BMW has come up with.
I'd need a bit more fuel range I think. Then again, I wish the 890 had more range as well. It wouldn't take much, another half gallon or so.
I reckon 3.5 litres
Hopefully Safari or IMS will make an aftermarket tank for this model. BMW Australia should fit a bigger tank for their Australian customers because Australia is not a small country.
I pretty confident we haven't seen the last of this. Who's to say the current GSA couldn't be replaced with the running gear of this. I can't see this being a one off model.
For the Americans, the metric conversion is simple. 4.7 - 5.7 liters per hundred kilometers with a 14.5 liters tank gives you somewhere in the neighborhood of 200k on a tank. 200k is 31.5 stone or 435 lbs according to Google and that's the weight of the bike you'll be pushing when you're out of gas.
The same, or lighter weight than all the others in its class.
Bike looks great but the 14.5ltr fuel tank is a bit of a shame compared to the other bikes in the sector. Looking forward to you guys testing the new Honda Africa Twin.
We ride the AT straight into the desert.
Yo Clubby! You gave my mate and I Letter of the Month back in 89 with ADB. You called us 'Rainmans Mate' 😂
ha ha
Nice review, I really like this bike, I test rode one about 2 weeks ago (the yellow one) although it didn't have the suspension pack on it, black forks
Still a good bike without the suspension pack but I'd prefer it.
Clearly that thing is too powerful, has odd settings and weights a ton, and high, still, especially with all the needed protection gizmos and features of the catalog. Looks good, can do a lot, but didn’t hit the sweetsport, neither as long-range mule tourer, nor as a sports-offroad-adventure. You can say it’s inbetween, but it isn’t it’s off that inbetween. No worry, the panamerica is worse on the other side of the sweetspot, can’t even roll smoothly below 3.5krpm, hated it when I rode it, top-heavy, too and no off-road suspension, sure gravel stuff, but not much more, instead a lot of flimsy plastic and a shielded leg-burner cat.
Crashbar mounts on the engine? LOL!
I just test rode an F900gs on Saturday and i found it to be rather wonderful on the rode, smooth engine, great handling and all of the tech features were seamless and only added to the ride. I only did about 20 minutes offroad with it but it felt well balanced and overall much better than I was expecting in terms of holding a line and digging out of loose dirt.
You are hard to please for a mid sized bike. But there will be a few it won't suit due to fuel range.
You sound like a T7 rider….seriously though, where would you put your money in this segment?
@@hoppybounce It would change weekly. The top four are outstanding. It comes down to reliability, warranty, service centre proximity and the mighty dollar.
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV So…Tiger 900 V F900 V KTM/Husky 900?
"I'm a worthless road rider", he says. 🙃
This is a fantastic bike. maybe better than Himalayan in every way.
But if you wanna go on an adventure , paying almost 30k for just the bike just blows 🤯 my mind.
In coming years Once Himalayan gets little lighter , gets better rear suspension . Adds cruise control … things gonna get interesting
I think things are already interesting.
Easily the best adventure bike channel on TH-cam, but don't pick up snakes ya mad bastards 😂😂😂
Ha ha thank you!
38:05 you meant Adam R. was dominated the bike and this is where he found quickly the limit on the suspensions 😉
I call that style of riding fluff. I don't mean it in a disingenuous way after all I too filmed fluff from Miles. But let's be clear that's not Adventure, but it does highlight the potential of the bike. In his first video Adam hasn't tuned the suspension yet, nor has he checked static sag. Wait until he sets it up for his weight and purpose and then let's see what he says.
I’m in the market for a mid sized bike in the next month or so and had my heart set on a Husky Norden Expedition! But with all the camshaft issues- I might be looking at the Adventure Ride Pro model or the Triumph Rally Pro now! 👍🏻
Both are great bikes. In Australia Triumph doesn't have traction control change on the fly and is a pain.
the engine noise sounds weak. Probably good for not to produce any hearing damage, but it does not cause any positive impression to hear it.
You need to understand microphones affect what is really being heard. It has a great noise when under power and load.
To date the best test I’ve seen. Thanks guys
Our pleasure! We try to make the detailed and useful.
Looks like a great bike, Ducati should take a look at just how easy you can make air filter changing. Looking forward to seeing the adventure version.
I certainly liked the air filter. Ducati aren't the only one that needs to resolve that issue.
FYI, 14:00 if you're using Davinci Resolve to edit, select all clips and Shift+T will put a transition on the audio. Less popping.
To quote from your own headlining video, "I'm not going to tell you how to ride." Hmmmmmm :). I punch out a video per fortnight and sometime weekly. Solo shooter producer. I cut corners. Maybe you could become my editor, for 40 mins content from 5 cameras I will demand a turn around of 2 days.
@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV haha, yep. Point taken I totally get what you mean. I struggle with the time to edit myself, as much as I love it.
Good job putting together another fun vid - all the relevant information in an entertaining way.😀 Sadly, it seems it's another bike with european market in mind...where 14 litres is ok, cos servos are everywhere. I mean seriously, 14 litres!?!?! In any event, the bike is definite improvement on the last one. It will very likely gain a following in australia...but what to do about that fuel tank.
Yes. I guess buy the GSA version if fual is the most important.
Good review and very interesting to see your comparison compared to Adam Riemanm in terms of the different perspectives. Cheers
I'm no racer, but I've ridden bikes for 50 years and adventure for 20 years.
Guys, you were freaking me out! 🤣🤣🤣Myself being from Bavaria, of course we analyze this bike from top to bottom but with "slightly a different language". 🤣🤣🤣 I laughed myself silly and so did my wife! Great show! But on the other hand I hardly saw such a well made video about the F 900. Fantastic job! Channel is subscribed! Can't wait to see more! 👊💪
Excellent, tell your friends. I need the subscribers.
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV Quote: "Get out of here" - I will 😉🤣
So if you could have a Triumph 900 Rally Pro or BMW 900 GS Enduro which would you choose for two track, easy off road and half time on street? I have a KTM 890, Tenere and a BMW 1250 GS so I have experience with what I have and I really enjoy each for what they are. I am just curious. Anyone?
If turning ABS on the fly is not important to you and the best suspension is not either, nor traction control is not important to you then they are pretty close.
I understand. Just curious about your thoughts. I am seriously considering shedding the 1250. The KTM and Tenere suit me off-road. I really want a lighter, but excellent replacement for 70% road that is dirt capable. Bikes are spread out in several locations.
What would you recommend, The Tiger 900 RP or 900 GS?
you need to decide what you want, purpose, price, feel.
Good vid Dave and Clubby. Seens a well thought out bike. Get on it and go. Fugure out the easy to use ekectronics. Mileage well can be of issue here in USA also. It has been well recieved everywhere. BMW did their work shedding some pounds. All in all a good bike. Interedting in what the cone up with for bags and mounts. Now it's Honda time. Stay safe have fun. Good job guys
Thanks Sam. Yeah the Honda will be interesting. We're thrown straight into desert sand with that one.
Hello to you both; What a great bike review, as usual, professional, constructive and based on experience. However I disagree that you both are 'average' off -road riders. You have very good off-road bike skills, the confident way you ride through many different conditions never ceases to amaze me, I am bloody average. So thanks... you do inspire riders to get out there on the bike they are happy with! David....Adelaide....Triumph Scrambler 1200X ...one bike for all....
Thanks for the compliment Dave.
Hm, I had my mind set on the 2024 Tiger 900 RP.... Looks like I have to think again! Or at least have another test ride scheduled. Any comments here?
Good review! Thanks!
Great both bikes, what separates it for me the the Beemer's on the fly traction control and abs and its sophistication. There is not much between them.
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV Thanks for taking the the time to comment. Now I am torn between brand loyalty - am currently riding a Tiger 800 - and brand patriotism - as I am German. Ah, what a complicated life this is! 😉 Cheers, mate!
So BMW has finally launched a bike to compete with the 2003 KTM 950 Adventure? Time to sell my 1200 and 650. 😃
A good bike that 950. I had had the 990, twice. :)
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV Still have my 990, too!
Nice review. It has helped me determine that it is not the bike for me. This is equally important as watching reviews of bikes you love.
Thank you
there awesome bikes. was that dust in the airbox ?
Solid review, the real world fuel range was all I was waiting for, that's enough for me. Just have to wait for stock to arrive and the aftermarket to catch up..I hope i can hold out til then 😂
Enjoy!
Great video. I appreciate that you consider the bike from a "normal rider" point of view. We're out there doin' it, but no riding contract in today's mail. I have no problem with modes and configs. Keeps me thinking and involved. Bottom line tho, riding aids can never subtract weight. I'm staying in the 690/701 camp for now, maybe fine tune my wind protection.
Thanks
thanks for sharing,.. itr really clear where is teh rigth terrain for this bike,,
Yep
fancy machine - great video as always guys
Glad you enjoyed it
So its, expensive, short fuel range, and heavy? Why would one buy this over a 890?
Fuel range, I get it. Expensive? Close to the 890 R price. You've lost me on heavy. Fuel full 214 kilograms. Fuel Full! Tell me a mid sized twin, fuel full that comes in under 200 kgs!
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Nearly 30% less weight in fuel and a light weight muffler, still weighs as much as the KTM, HP2 Enduro
Great bike! Looks good too 👍
It does!
the comment about the suspension not bottoming out when it clearly hits the bump stop is gold 😂😂
Clearly? Ok Superman, I don't know how you can see that bump stop.
But that aside, there is a huge difference between using the full length of stroke in a controlled way and the bike smashing into the bump stop.
My question is, how much would luggage affect mileage and handling?
Depends what weight.
Great review ! Amazing bike and amazing low fuel range :(
Tell me out of interest, how many times are you going to need this all importantant fuel range, Personally for me on my 701, once every two years for two weeks and I take a fuel bladder.