I Bought a $1000 YFZ 450 and Instantly Regretted It
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- I buy a $1000 Yamaha YFZ450 quad. #Yamaha, #YFZ450, #Deal,
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He tore it down, found out the crank was done, then put the cyl back on so u couldnt check the crank lol. Idk about up there but here u gotta assume every seller is lying about everything lol
Good job Joe on finding another fixer, saving a machine from dying and keeping the Sport Quad's going. I posted in Joe's KX $500 bike find how he's getting these deals. This isn't aimed at everyone but those that freak out about this comment are the ones you can get the deal from.
JOE!!!!! Don't sell the CR500, get rid of the SXS. Do a poll see what the viewers would do.
Now for Straight one line answers:
1) Yes the seller smoked the engine and tried an STP oil additive, when Joe drained it you can see the separation from the thicker sludge.
2) When pulling the swing arm bolt out, remove the rear shock as it's putting immense pressure on the bolt.
3) Replace all swing arm and shock roller/thrust bearings, they may look like rusted washers and when they lock up permanent things wear.
4) Inner bearings/seals no matter how good they look, there is more wear than you can just see.
5) Flush cases/gear assembly in a solvent bath, part cleaner, mineral spirits to remove any slivers of metal
6) After a total rebuild ANY metal on metal contact gets "Assembly Lube", I use the red Summit brand, local stuff can be bought at any automotive store.
Misc info:
-The cylinder has a steel cylinder liner so sticking a magnet to it only proves it's steel not a nikasil coating.
-If you get a new to you machine change and flush all fluids filters, replace spark plug. NEVER take the sellers word.
-To #3) A test to prove the bearings are junk; jack up bike to raise rear tire off the ground, pull up on the wheel if the swing arm moves up 1/2" or more bearings are scrap and make the rear bike loose and dangerous.
-BIG ONE HERE!!!!! The RPMs are adjusted on the CARB IDLE SCREW!!!! Not the adjusters on the handle cable. That's a Rookie
-Make sure the brakes work freely and don't stick or work at all. Bleed the system if you have hydraulic brakes, it only takes about 8-12oz of DOT Brake fluid to do the whole system. Black or brown fluid is bad and very corrosive.
Pops
As soon as he said he works on big rigs for a living, I knew you’d be in for an adventure. 😂.
Same lol
Exactly
“No major chipping or cracks” if there’s any it’s no good bud
Works on big rigs but see how he studdered when asked about crank I call bs
Another great tear down & assessment on what the problem was. You’ve done a lot of top ends, but I’ve enjoyed seeing you go thru the bottom. Very informative. I’ve never tackled a bottom end before so it’s really nice to watch the tear down. Nice job man! Can’t wait for the rebuild & 1st ride
I think he knew what had happened so drained the oil so it didn't show when the next person checked the oil for metal flakes. But I'm sure you will get it sorted and have fun fixing it and then out for a rip. Great video as always.
Even if he was selling it for parts it would still be worth the 1000
The 2004-2006 YFZ450's are notorious for crank bearings going out ... especially if you don't keep up with the oil changes ... In 2007, Yamaha added the oil squirter to the clutch side case cover, that shoots a stream of oil into the crank rod bearings.
Yup I've read up on that issue with those years and I think you can get the oil squirter too fit onto the 04-06 model years since they didn't really change since up until 2014
@@kylebeach2316 yeah ... but you have to mill and drill the case cover to accept the squirter ... easy if you have the tools but not so easy if you don't. I have a 2006 yfz450 and I just bought a 2007+ clutch cover that already had it
@@11GalleryATV i thought the squirter was more for the wrist pin? i have had an 05 that needed a crank tho
@@SamBrown01 yeah, but I think it actually covers both since it shoots up to the wrist pin, whatever misses goes down to the crank bearings too
I believe that’s why people do the oil mod on the 04-06 yfz 450
100%. I watched one grenade on front of me when it’s owner was bouncing off rev limiter trying to get out of an icy puddle.
I’m rebuilding it and doing the oil mod to it
good to know, now i get why the cheap 1000€ 450cc yfz we got was rebuild, hot rod crank, piston cylinder seems fresh but they didnt change the head and stuff and cam ate some material off the head..
@@reggiexp69 I had my 06 engine rebuild and let me tell u. It's a monster now!
@@Godaboveall24_7 i mean once they work its a monster, the one me and a friend have when it worked it was pretty nice, but its a pain in the ass, we have been fixing it for 6 months now... between changing the head cam valves chims gaskets but afcors we dumb different head we didnt smooth it out so new head gasket aint sealing right... anyway ultra clean the carb new gasket for it, and still it turns on when ever it feels like it... at the end i think we might have a ellectrical problem since the start, i kidna gave up on this thing already when the cams ate the top end of hte head i was like yup lets sell it.. but my friend wanted to fix it... and yeah 700€ (split between both) later still not running... i guess they are nice quads if they dont have problems and u have the money the let a garage fix it or are a good mecanic not 2 fools who try to do it for the first time (we did a banshee engine but that shit easy)
Good buy for $1000 joe. Just make sure you do the oil squirter mod and change the oil pump aswell. I’ve done two carb yfz450 engines now and I actually enjoy rebuilding them too.
You do need a bigger hammer though 🤣
This dude can fix anything thing . I definitely appreciate this mans skills an it gives you ideas to help you troubleshoot your self
41:04, he reason the BOLT was so danged hard to remove - after it was almost out, was that you had "ball-peened" the threaded end so much, the diameter of the threaded end was so much MORE than that of the hole, which resulted in the force needed to slide it through
Can I make a suggestion, for the next time/s you have frozen bolts to remove - use a car steering rod bearing puller, but have a sliding hammer that you can screw into the bolt hole of the claw, instead of the bolt which pushes the steering joint out of the arm.
That way, you will have an "in-line" hammer - instead of that 45 degree obtuse angle to work with.
"So at the top of the stroke, it gets stiff." Sounds like a fun Saturday night!
Reason the cranks fail on those earlier YFZ 450’s is because they have a bad oil pump from the factory. To fix this issue use a 2007+ YFZ oil pump
2 vintage you are my savior I’ve been trying to find a good video on that swing arm bolt because the one on my 660 is super stuck… THANK YOYU
I was watching your videos from the beginning and I like that you showed the quad in the ad like you did back then. Really dig it.
That oil you drained looked pretty dang clean... I'm assuming he flushed it a couple times to get the metal flakes out.
you know he did lmao there aint no way a rod bearing goes and the oil looks like that
and he said it was sitting 2 years but it has a 2022 stickers on it lmao first red flag
@@friches43 no you can get stickers for 2 years ahead bc they are good for 2 years usuauly
@@_j0rd4n_ yea Ohio’s are good for 3yrs
@@cadman9615 Depending on when you get them, you could get almost 4 out of them. I got my APV registration for a 400ex March 2020 and It's good through DEC 2023.
I really like the addition of the in person purchase, it's gives us a better understanding of the video.
I agree! great job man! I need to start making more content like this on my other channel haha
"He said he does not know what was wrong with it, so it could be something simple."
One heck of a compliment there huh. haha
Idk why people cut the front fenders off it’s just stupid…
You can disconnect the rear shock from the frame and then lift the swingarm up to relieve tension off that swimgarm bolt and it'll come out easier
Might have helped getting that swing arm bolt out if you supported the swing arm itself and the engine lol
Service those swingarm bearings with grease while you have it apart!
Lube it up and air hammer it back in. That's what I do on tough bolts
Regret? Oh it's just a clickbait title
That cylinder would of came off ,and you can hear the lies in his voice when he said it ran good when it fired back off
That damn seized bolt goes through the swingarm too... you need to unload the rear suspension.
You got some really good videos like how detailed they are and you do good work. I liked seeing you doing the deal and picking up the new project. Keep the good content coming. I can't wait for the next one
I second this I love seeing the whole process
As nice as this looks the guy probably couldve parted it out actually and made more money lol. Happy this quad is in your hands tho considering I know you'll get it up and running again soon!! Love your content man, you do a great job with all these projects!!!
Parting things out is like receiving payment plan. Might take you a year or 2 to get rid of Or 1000 cash right now.
@@phonomenon a year or two 😆 I can tell you have never parted anything out
@@Davidsmithisyourdad most people don’t have time to deal with people trying to lowball each part. I rather sell it whole, you feel me
@@phonomenon again your assumption that it takes years to part something out is just plain stupid.
@@Davidsmithisyourdad you’re being ignorant. It doesn’t necessarily take years but it could potentially be that long. I mean if you have the patience of a white bald man sitting in the tree waiting for a deer to come by then be it. But regular people would rather get rid of it for a portion of the price, you dig?
Good video as usual. I'd recommend tapping the head end of the swingarm bolt and using a slide hammer to finish pulling it instead of the air hammer and a chisel. Also, a longer soak in Kroil might help. I've used it to lube bolts on equipment in dams that had been installed in a damp environment since the 1930s.
Worth $1000 even if he had said the crank was bad. Good deal and a good video so far.
Indeed even a blown engine great chassis for another engine of choice and bitta fabrication maybe a cbr900 lol
Yes ! It is a straight frame so good buy motor go out on all atvs sooner or later
Not really unless you’re keeping it
@@timothyharmon6305 yeah most engines do fail eventually, milk goes bad eventually, tires wear eventually, lol good point
@@dirtrider6090 Bought it for a grand and can sell it running and driving for 4K I don’t see how it could possibly need 3k worth of parts to get fixed
Nice that the seller allowed filming, makes a pleasant change. NEVER leave possessions out in the open unattended!Maybe should've used a long drift bar, with the Hammer action drill thing (interesting solution l'll remember that) and kept going from the Right Hand side? Amazing the top end and other parts survived, good job it stopped turning over!
Love your videos man keep it up love the hands on and being real about your bikes
Hope you find some dual sport to supermotos in the future
A quality slide hammer set with attachments would come in handy for removing stuck swing arm bolts and many other things.
Good job Joe, yeah swing arm bolts are a pain in the ass. I had to cut mine out on the 2005 banshee I picked up. When I put in the new solid bolt in I anti-seize the "fudge" out of it. Already can't wait to see the next video on this quad.
One of your best videos here, very impressive. Been watching for years and will watch for years to come.
Same here
Legend says that this kid went on to become one of the top sales man of the 21st century .
We pull started it with a forklift. Lmao
I have to say I throughly enjoy your content, your a very likeable honest character. I have had the very model of quad myself, totally rebuilt it in 2015. Would love to see you find a banshee to restore. Keep up the good work from another Agri TH-camr in Ireland 🇮🇪
Sitting for 2 years and it has a 2022 sticker glowing at you
Lol
Exactly lmfao
Look like a lot numbers from a auction...🤙🤙
The stickers are usually good for 2 years. He could have put the stickers on in 2020 and let it sit after it wouldn't start back up.
Yeah.. for last year in his state
Y have I never knew u had a second channel that crazy u should definitely mention it next video
Great deal in my eyes since you do all your work saved hella money and good video man I love the long ones and the motors are fun to tear down when it’s not your daily and no rush to get it done
Top work! Love how methodical you are when you get into an engine. Makes me wish I had a project bike to tinker with.
I'm new to your channel but catching up with your content.
I'm in the UK 🇬🇧 and must say you really get some bargains .
Over here bikes and stuff are so hard to find cheap.
Love the channel keep up the good 👷
Good buy joe for a $1000 you will have that up and running in no time mate and make a quick return on it easy unfortunately it is what it is at the moment but these things fetch good dough take care mate look forward to the rebuild and test 🔧🔧🔧👍👌
That's good they replaced screws with 8mm head bolts.. only way to fly.
1) Spark at the right time.
2) Enough compression to run.
3) The and the fuel/air mixed up at a good ratio.
Those are the 3 main things you need for it to run. Checking spark and compression is pretty easy. Still have a problem---fuel delivery is all that is left.
3) The fuel/air mixed up at a good ratio. sorry
Put nut on end to save threads, use a 3lb sledge.
You need to remove the bottom shock mounting bolt to remove tension from the swinging arm,so the bolt will come out,ive had this problem.
Glad we got to see a full tear down again. Ho Lee Chit you certainly know engines. It will be interesting to see what more there is to be fixed .
Its an 04 i will
Recommend to do the 07+ oil mod on the clutch case for the rod and replace the oil pump for an 07 one. Since that most likely was why it broked.
Buying a non running half tore down machine is a crap shoot. Have to assume the absolute worst irregardless what the seller says. But…. Joe can handle it. I’ve seen him work with way worse!
makes sense why it did not have enough power to turn over enough ! way to go on the bike for the deal im sure youll get it going in due time.
have you ever thought to use pb blaster on those hard to get rusty spray them down it stinks but let it sit for night if they really bad and that stuff works dreams it would made them mounts come faster im sure of that , plus the weight of the axle was fighting you might of been able to put jack behind to lift the weight off as you pulled the long bolt.
This is really impressive ! Thanks a lot for sharing, so nice to discover how this all works inside, and how knowledgeable and handy you are on this ! Wow, awesome !
Swap a yz250 2t motor if you don't end up rebuildin!
You can't regret buying this because you already knew what was wrong lol
That was my next guess on it to the rod bearing got fired due to lack of lubricant inside of it from being overheated over cooked oil.& Low on motor oil to will cause those issues on those fourwheeler engines for sure.
04-06 were notorious for rod bearing and wrist pin failure do to lack of oil reaching them in 07 they added an oil squirter to fix the issue and for 04-06 models you can replace the right side cover witha cover from an 07 and replace the stock oil pump with a high flow oil pump to fix the issue.
You need to invest in a crankshaft press jig if your going to be doing this for a while so it will save you a ton of money! On that swingarm bolt try drilling a small hole in the center of each side and putting pb blaster for a day or two
I used a claw hammer for a long time on everything myself so I get it but for real a mini sledge has saved the day for me countless times
You can thread the inside of the swingarm bolt, thread a lenght of all thread into it. Then slide a large socket over it, large washer and a nut. Then start cranking it down to slide the swingarm bolt out. I hope that makes sense.
The 2004-2005 models had a known issue with oil starvation and they fixed it by doing an “oil mod” make sure you look up how to find it and see if it has the oil mod done
I have a 06 YFZ can you tell me how can I know if they did the oil modern not? Please and ty
@@Godaboveall24_7 you could pull the clutch cover off and check for the little injector they put it for the mod… but 06 and up have never had a oil starvation issue if it does I’d check other things like cooling systems if it seems to be running hot and burning up rings and rod bearings
You are going to want to install a 07 450 oil pump,inner clutch cover and wrist pin squirter. Look up oil pump mod for 04 to 06 yfz450s. Crank failures are common for these years. Yamaha cured the issue in 07.
I would check the shift forks closer, if there is any rotational marks on them they're bent. Better safe than sorry.
Parts list... piston and rings, full engine gasket kit, timing chain, oil filter, might as well get the hot rods engine rebuild with a crank. Heck get the wiseco for what like 1100? Itll sell for 4k or more joe
You can use a flex hone on nikaseal, look it up. Would be worth your while considering how glazed that cylinder is.
Ya I seen that on my buddies videos, his name is Michael Sabo.
Great video love the fetching and the fixing same video. I might be doing this on my Ltz 400 I picked up figuring it about same process
This guy knew exactly what he was talking about Joe he got you good man
Would have helped with a jack underswingarm to reduce weight on the pivot bolt for future reference 👍🏼
I was thinking that... seems obvious
04-06 need oil mod done. Deff see if it has that and if it doesn’t I bet that’s why this is causing it.
check intake boot and airfilter. biggest mistakes. lack of maintenance
When u we’re removing the main engine bolt (frame bolt whatever) with the hammer then u tried the impact hammer u were struggling but what I do is I use the claw of the hammer and it doesn’t slip. Just bang it out with that.
The thing is going to be a beast! Can’t wait for the day you get to “take it for a rip”.
The way you went from “Not a single little bit did that budge” to “Alright we’ve got the air hammer!”😂😂😂😂
Those swing arm bolts can be a bear. Tip is to jack the quad up a bit to take some pressure off the swing arm.
For someone that works on semi trucks it doesn’t seem like he knows much about it and seems like he’s fibbing about what he’s knows about the machine
Semi is the trailer not the truck. That's a pretty good indicator that the kid doesn't know crap about tractors
Watch JR Go his dad said and proved that if the bolt is seized in there or rusted in there just lots of penetrating spray and hours of tapping it with a hammer will release any stuck bolt now he did say it took him a few hours of spray hammer spray hammer he did it on a couple different old rusted things the other day
Doing a top end on a 2016 Yamaha yz250f now. It got swamped. Actually compressed the top ring into the piston.
for the love of god please get yourself a four pound sledge and a slide hammer kit. we aren’t framing a house here
What I’ve always done is that if you put an old nut that fits on that axel and get a air hammer with a round tip and use that it breaks it free pretty quick lol comes in real handy
They do have A newer weld out now to it's called gorilla weld from gorilla glue company. Like JB-WELD it's just 5xs stronger is what is stated on the packages.
Someone must have done an oil change and got busy and forgot to add. One way to cook an engine is to run out of oil. Good thing the crank stopped it before anything else got damaged.
Love the footage of the deal. Thanks for the behind the scenes. Keep up the great work !
If it's aluminum tab you can build it up.& Remake A tab.
One of the best mechanic adventure videos! I was thinking when you were turning that crank it must be the connecting rod bushing haha
i would have tried putting a jack under it and lifting it a little bit to take pressure off of it.
Low in oil, low in coolant... pretty much tells the story. Overheated and fried the crank bearings.
Just had the same problem on a Raptor 700 I got. The Rod bearing was seized just like that because the previous owner ran low on oil. Rebuilt it with a Hot rods crank and now she runs good. I have a video on the tear down.
Where do you find your deals? I’ve tried to find new projects but never can find one. I can’t sell mine either.
Take your channel to the next level by vapor blasting and reconditioning these older dirt bikes. a little spit and shine wouldn't hurt.
I had my nickel plated kx 85 cylinder bored and Not replatted been running it for 4 years now like that with no issue.
Swing arm bolts are hollow. Use threaded rod to make a puller.
Every time u buy a machine take us with! It’s cool to watch
With all the quads and m/c using radiators you might need a pressure tester to check for coolant loss.
Another thing that could be the issue is it has the wrong main jet inside the carburetor to. That can cause those same types of issues on those engines to. Cause A offset main carburetor jet can cause those no power.& Get up.& Go issues to. If that tab is broken off to it will effect the timing for sure. It might need tig welding done.,or mig welding done to fix that tab problem on it to Joe. It has to o be on that engine block.,or separate spacer plate one. On those split case engines for sure.
Heat then spray immediately with (I use PB) penetrant. Then try to turn. Took me 2 weeks of heating and soaking but I finally got it. If you ride alot ot wet areas, takenit out and grease it every fall. Never had my own ever get stuck. Nice job..👍
If you want your shit to last, keep the oil full and run good oil. Clean the air filter and always warm it up before riding; And if you take your brake levers and kick starts apart ever so often and grease them up they will last a long time. And it doesn't hurt to grease the swingarm bolt and the axles once in awhile. I'm into the mid 80's Honda ATC's, and when I get nice parts I can make them last for decades, but all too often people just want to ride, they won't even check the oil, and they just ride it until it breaks...
stick a long extension in after the swing arm bolt to hammer it out. saves some smashed fingies
You also might want to use atf fluid to flush engines and tanks when contaminated with coolant.
Keep a slide hammer in your tool box would have made pulling out those bolts that hold your engine in the frame
Thought you would pop that rod cap off, check the journal and show us the destroyed bearing