How I Replaced the Timing Chain on my 200,000km Honda Engine
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After nearly 200,000 km’s, the timing chain on my Honda Accord needed to be replaced. The chain has stretched to the point where the automatic tensioner can no longer handle the slack. When the tensioner can no longer keep the proper tension on the chain, you might get the same check engine light that I did, which was P0341; Camshaft Position Sensor A. Before throwing parts at the car, I first inspected the wiring connecting the sensor to the PCM and everything seemed fine. At that point, it was 1 of 2 things, faulty camshaft sensors, or stretched chain. I was really hoping it was just a matter of installing new sensors and the car would have been golden, but of course, it was the more expensive route. So after picking up new sensors, I had to pull trigger and purchase a timing chain kit for the Accord. Since my Honda has a K24, I knew there was a large recall regarding the VTC actuators, where they would cause a horrible noise on cold starts. Mine occasionally made some noise, but it wasn’t enough to justify replacing it att the time. The main cause of the actuators to go bad is overdue oil changes, and high mileage. Since I was going to be in there doing this process regarding the timing chain, I figured it would make logical sense to remove and replace the VTC actuator with a new one. All of the parts and tools I’ve used to get this done can be found below. I’ve also included torque specs for everything so I hope this guide helps you out :)
PARTS
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▶︎ Genuine Honda VTC Actuator - amzn.to/2RvnzCA
▶︎ Genuine Honda Chain Tensioner - amzn.to/2DO5I29
▶︎ Genuine Honda Upper Chain Guide - amzn.to/2RnsaHL
▶︎ Genuine Honda Adjustable Lower Chain Guide - amzn.to/2PeeKec
▶︎ Genuine Honda Fixed Lower Chain Guide - amzn.to/2Pa7csZ
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▶︎ NGK IR Spark Plug Set - amzn.to/3rbW6rU
TOOLS
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Spark Plug Socket Set ▶︎ goo.gl/VypECb
Ratcheting Wrench Set ▶︎ goo.gl/tKQo4z
1/2” Torque Wrench ▶︎ goo.gl/koKx6d
Camera Used for this Video ▶︎ goo.gl/C1mN2C
TORQUE SPECS
VTC Actuator Mounting Bolt ▶︎ 83 ft. lbs
Exhaust Camshaft Sprocket Mounting Bolt ▶︎ 53 ft. lbs
Reuse Crank-pulley bolt ▶︎ 36 ft. lbs
New Crank-pulley bolt ▶︎ 130 ft. lbs, remove it, then 36 ft. lbs
Chain Guide Stationary Bolts ▶︎ 9 ft. lbs
Rotating Hex Chain Guide Bolt ▶︎ 16 ft. lbs
Upper Timing Chain Guide Bolts ▶︎ 16 ft. lbs
Auto-Tensioner Bolts ▶︎ 9 ft. lbs
Timing Case Bolts m6 ▶︎ 9 ft. lbs
Timing Case Bolt m10 ▶︎ 33 ft. lbs
Side Mount Bracket Mounting Bolts ▶︎ 33 ft. lbs
Engine Mount Bolts ▶︎ 40 ft. lbs
If you have any questions, feel free to send me an email at milanmastracci@gmail.com. Thanks for watching!! :)
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DID YOU SEE THE SPIDER AT 13:12?
I was JUST about to comment on that 😖
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Yellow Sac spiders, and they can cause lots of problems with your car. They are attracted to the smell of gasoline and often will weave webs and egg sacs in the evaporative canister vent lines.
Mazda even had to issue a recall due to the spiders plugging up the components.
I am not a mechanic, I have no experience and thanks to your video I was able to do the job in two days. Thank you very much for your video and excellent information.
how’s u remove ur crank bolt?
@@jeralynrefugia928 To remove the screw, I applied penetrating w 40 two days before. And then with the help of an impact gun it came off without a hitch.
Im assuming you have to turn the crankshaft to get the sprockets to top dead center right? (Punchholes up top)
@@SrColon309 I needa be like you
@@jeralynrefugia928put a breaker bar in the hole of the control arm and right socket turn the engine on it will get loose
I just ran across this video today. Five years later, you’re still helping him. I’ve been asking the dealership over and over again what that sound was. And none of them could diagnose it. And just this week it started sounding like it was slightly out of time. And I’m getting a high number of misfires on two of the cylinders. It only throws a code in the morning when it’s cold but I’ve had that sound for over 60,000 miles.
Good freaking video. The best explained I've seen so far. I likely need this done, but am a little hesitant but this video makes me more confident in trying it.
ATTENTION: Very nice job first of all and love the added torque specifications because this was very difficult information to find to be consistent. In both of the following instances, relating to the Crankshaft pulley bolt torque, the threads are cleaned and threads/bolt platform lubed with oil. Reusing the old Bolt: torque to 36 ft/lb , then rotate additional 90 P'B deg.; Using a new bolt: torque to 130ft/lbs then loosen and torque to 36 ft/lbs then 90 P'B deg. Also, note I could NOT get the bolt loosened as many also experienced, the ticket was using the special 19mm crankshaft pulley/ harmonic balancer impact socket Lisle PN 77080. Boom, DONE! Thanks again, you did great and I hope anyone finds this helpful.
excellent information thank you very much, because I missed the pulley twice due to lack of more torque.
Youngest kid and I did a timing change on his K20. Installed Honda OEM parts and front main seal, timing chain cover "O" ring type seal also since we were in there. Had an issue getting the new timing chain tensioner to fully release. Had to manually manipulate the arm on the tensioner to get it to fully release. Everything popped into place. Noticed slack between the cams when rotating the engine by crank pully nut. Good thing we checked everything multiple times. The job itself is straight forward. Pain in the ass to get stuff out of the way. Car was a crank, no start with no error codes. I would expect a crank/cam sensor code. Verified spark with plugs removed, injectors electrically firing with noid lights. Sprayed starting fluid. Engine would not hit. Pulled valve cover and checked timing marks on the cam. Off by 2 teeth. Scopecammed pistons and valves, no damage.
Wow! Great job man! I have to consider doing this over a long weekend. I had the VTC actuator replaced TWICE over that terrible noise when starting. The timing belt is due for a change. If the economics are there to do it myself I'll have to give it a shot. You have a beautifully cleaned engine and great job with the very clear video shots of important parts. Thanks!!!
OMG! I was wondering why my dad's accord made a grinding noise when he starts it! very glad I watched this vid!
Yep, this would be why :)
Thanks for creating and sharing this video. Mine is starting to screech at start up especially when cold. You clearly, precisely, and concisely covered everything needed for doing this job. Thank you so much!🙂
I looked at several “how to” videos on timing chain replacement and yours was hands down the best. Your camera work was crystal clear, closeup shots on the location of timing chain marks is the best. Narration was clear and relevant to the job, ( no unnecessary banter ). Additional info like wrench size to turn or secure the camshaft or utilizing a helper to reinstall the timing chain cover is helpful. Great job and appreciate you filming and sharing this on You Tube.
I'm happy to hear that Ken! Thank you
100% echo this statement. Everything is done so well. I am a professional filmmaker, who spends all of his money on more camera gear, instead of owning a nice car, so I drive a 210,000 mile/25 year old Benz. My only piece of advice for you would be to grab yourself a Rode Wireless Go microphone, and just clip it onto your hoodie before filming. It’ll take your audio to the next level for a couple hundred bucks.
What a great video, my acura has 157k miles on it and the VTC actuator just failed a week ago. This video will help me replacing all of those parts. Awesome video.
I'm happy to help! I hope it goes well for you
I am very happy, my car has regained the strength and economy it had when I bought it many years ago.
Dude your vid saved my girlfriends car that noise start happening three days ago for her Accord coupe & keep up the good vids
Glad to hear it Dino :)
Going to attempt this next month possibly once i get all of the parts thanks for the video gave me a good understanding on what i need to accomplish.
I'm glad to hear it Owen!! Send me an email at milanmastracci@gmail.com when you're doing the job if you have any questions
Really informational video. I have a different Honda but also with a chain, and it's cool to see all of the insides.
I really wish he noticed that spider while he was recording.. it would have been really entertaining for all of us
Great job, yanks! The various sound bites of the bad VTEC actuator was very helpful!
Glad it helped! Cheers Kevin
Absolutely love your videos brother just subscribed!! I have the same Honda Accord Coupe as you but mine is Belize Pearl Blue. Your videos have been very helpful keep up the good work!!
I have a 2010 Belize blue pearl as well 👍
Congratulations man .. thanks to this video i fix my 06 acura tsx same proces.. thanks..
Is your accord's molding assembly for the windows melted away? Can you do a video how you replace it.
Hey Milan, I've been watching your 2009 Accord Coupe Videos. By the way GREAT JOB. I also have an 09 Accord Coupe purchased new in 2009 it's an EX-L 4cyl, Polished Metal Metallic , black leather interior. The same base car as yours except mine is the 5 Speed Automatic. I haven't done the major mods that you've done but I have done some, rear spoiler, 18" Honda 7 spoke wheels, added all the trunk and hood liners that were stock on the 6cyl. I also scored the Vtec nameplate for the trunk lid on the opposite side from the Accord label. Mine also did not come with fog lights and the installation of them is a bit much for me at over 70 years of age. Honda wants WAY to much to-install them. QUESTION, in a few vids you state that you consistently red-line the engine. Do you think that has contributed to your timing chain & vtec problems? I ask because a friend of mine in California has a 2008 same engine with over 250,000 miles (over 402,000K) and she says she'll get in her Accord and drive cross country, no worries. The only maintenance shes done is Honda USA (NOT DEALER) recommended services and her car is a 5 speed automatic so it stays well below red-line. I do enjoy your videos. This is my third Honda, I've owned a 2001, 2003 and now the 2009. I don't drive as much as I used to so I only have 65,000 miles (105000K). Thanks for reading, regards Tom. P.S. I have the K&L cold air intake system, but I've been waiting for my extended warranty to expire. One day I'll do a Video.
Good job dude. My rsx had a leak on the side cover which space was very minimal compared to the accord.
Is it wise to also replace the oilpump chain and tensioner when everything is taken apart? Or do those rarely fail?
I would like to know how those ECCPP parts were? I read somewhere that thay are crap
I have a question. Approximately how much did it cost you for all that timing equipment? I think I'm getting ready to have to do that exact same thing to my 2.4 2008 Honda Accord and I'm not sure if I will be able to afford it so I need to know what I'm going to be spending if I have to do it
Holy crap, I didn't realize that rattling sound was a Vtec actuator. I thought I wasn't getting oil to the cams, but that sound is precisely what I heard. Today, it continued after the CRV started and then it would not restart again. I assume the actuator is broken, and possibly the chain.
My lower timing chain was a little longer than the new one I got and the mechanic said it was the wrong chain. Couldn't have stretched in length?
when your done do you need to rotate the engine... and will the timing line up every 2 rotations or is the timing just to get it all set togeather
Great video...maybe should mention having to put a jack under the engine and having to remove the left engine mount
Can you please upload the part where you take of the old vtc actuator and install the new one!!?????
Thanks
My accord is throwing a Crankshaft position sensor code and going into limp mode. new senor on and all the voltages are in spec but still goes to limp mode. Timing chain does make noise on startup, do you think this could be my issue?
Great video! How did you know chain was loose? This effects all k series? Thats like every honda or acura from 2001 to 2018? Any way to to look/check this when buying used honda?
Hie.can you do a video on removing sludge/cleaning the oil pan on the 2007 VW Polo please
This video was really helpful thanks. I finally find what that grinding noise is when turn on car. That wheel thing need changing and also u said u got back your power which I have lost. Think my timing chain need changing am on 121k and I don't see any record saying chain was done
Great DIY Video!!!👍🏾👍🏾 gives me more confidence in trying this out myself
You can do it!
hey man, I have a little bit of oil leaks out of the chain case cover ( the metal piece with an " X " logo that is hold by 3 bolts ) and I am about to replace it! Is it easy to remove without remove the entire cover? I have same engine as your but 4 doors. Thank you for the input!
I like this type of tutorial so much better.
My vtc is going out now at 231,000 about to do the same thing guy . Thanks for the video
Happy to help :)
How does a FTC sctuator go bad? It looks like it’s just a sheet with sprockets. What could actually fail with that?
What are you thoughts on after market Honda timing chain parts vs OEM?
Good video a lot of work made look soooo easy thank you very much my friend
Quick question if i were to do the oil pump chain also how do you suggest i could hold the engine up while I'm working on both chain's...its my first Time chain change.
Is it possible to replace just the tensioner, and that might solve the issue?
Is they’re a special tool to hold the crankshaft in place when torquing the bolt for the pulley?
That is crazy that sound they make when they go bad. ive heard brand new Mazda 4 cylinders and toyotas sound like that. Id be happy with a good ole h22 or h23
I need to change my timing chain tensioner on my 2009 honda accord 3.5 liter engine do I need to do anything special to take it off and put another on
Great tips in regards to this particular jobs. I am looking to buy a 2010 accord with 177000 miles on it. Do you think I need to replace the chain or not? Unless the previous owner done it already. Thanks
Who else seen that spider
Yeah, tried to squish it...
Bro I love u for this because i needa do this job RN
Same here. Video was very helpful after watching I definitely have confidence in my mechanical skills to do the timing on my own Coupe!!
What is your opinion about porting/drilling out oil passages and oil pump to increase the flow? Also porting out water passages? Increasing diam near termo?
As long as it doesn't affect the structural integrity of it, I would 100% approve on the oil side of it. For the water passages, I woundn't, as you want to maximize how much surface are the coolant flows over to lower help cool the engine
What about the smaller chain at the bottom i notice u didn't replace that one just wondering becuz I have a 2009 Acura tsx at 235k and i get that same noise at start up mostly when the ac is on at idle also when the compressor cuts on i hear it mostly.
You took of the vtc actuator without taking of the cam holders(brackets)
Is that good or?
K20z3 vtc is harder than this. I think you have to block two holes on intake camshaft and use compressed air to unlock the 50 degree vtc off z3 camshaft. Should be a fun job for me haha
Hello , nice video , i come from france , do you now if its possible to only change the VTC acuator because my civic fn2 type r (k20a) make the same noise a the cold start
Quick question, I have a k24 with no chain installed , do I need to find top dead centre before installing the chain , or do I just align the mark with the chain on the crank ?
Thankyou
Hey I am a big fan I just recently bought a BMW 2.0d 1 series and I gave it in for a car wash and after I got the car back the airbag warning lights and the seatbelt lights keep appearing. Can you or someone in the comments section help me on how to fix this issue.
Thanjs
@milanmastracci do you replace the timing chain only when you see a code ? Or does it NEED to be changed at certain intervals?
I will soon will be going thru the same thing, and the mechanic said, once we are replacing the timing chain, you might as well replace the vtc actuator and the water pump, what do you think about that, also I will getting the parts, question the oem vtc actuator is going for almost 200, and I see an aftermarket goin for less than 100, question will you make the spent on the oem or the aftermarket?
I thank you before hand and hope to hear from you
I got a Denso VTC sprocket but everything else is OEM straight from a dealer's parts counter. FixItAngel uses the Denso on his fix and AFAIK Denso is also an OEM provider for Honda...so it's not like I'm just buying some cheap knockoff. However the sprocket itself is made in China, sooo...
My accord is a 2012 2.4 v4 I have 227k kilometers of abuse as well as traveling doing all sorts of things in my area the temperature gets to 44 and it’s still runs like nothing
I give it 10/10 in reliable
You are very talented...great work
Great video man any links where you bought the time chain kit please?
I have a 8th gen aswell and I recently found metal shavings in the oil pan is it possible it’s the actuator or timing chain causing that I’m hoping it’s not the piston or something more serious
Question about the torque specs for the crank bolt on reusing the old. So your spec sheet say torque it to only 36ft lbs? Not 130 ft lbs? Is that correct? Wouldn't that bolt would come undone while driving? Thanks advance
On the vvt gear intake cam, torque it down the turn the cam to lock it? Before installing the chain ?
Really wish you would have talked about locking and unlocking the VTC actuator. Did you install it locked or unlocked? Did you lock or unlock it after installing? Also what size wrench did you use to hold the camshaft while trying to remove the bolt?
Also on your list of torque specs I believe crank pulley bolt is 36lbft plus a 90 degree turn with the threads oiled
I need exact details, if you can share please that would be helpful.
So it was shipped to me locked, and I unlocked it before putting it on the camshaft and before putting the timing chain on it. Once it was unlocked I torqued the camshaft bolt to the VTC actuator and then timing everything from there.
How did you remove the old VTC actuator without unlocking it? Which required removing the cam shaft holders and pulling the camshaft??
Does the oil pump chain not need to be replaced with the timing chain ?
Just curious what's the point of using Hondabond on those round posts inside the timing cover? I noticed that my K24 had Hondabond on those posts from the factory, but I didn't replace it since it obviously wasn't sealing anything and I have been driving it for a year with no problems at all. I'm thinking it's just an error in Honda's service info.
Removing your vtc you didn’t need air pressure to remove that pin that locks it into place ?
Yeah... but we don't know why
@@xb7778 No. only need air in the VTC if you lock it before torqueing the bolt down. Must be torqued down in the unlocked position.
There’s nothing wrong with the VTC sprockets or chains. Here’s the problem . All North America market K- motors are spec’d for either 0W20 or 5W20 GL-5 oil and ridiculously long oil change intervals. GL-5 oils have had the zinc levels dropped drastically to protect the catalytic converters. The very same engines that are shipped to European assembly plants are spec’d for either 0W40 or 5W40 European spec oils. Not only do they have a higher viscosity but they also have higher levels of zinc and detergents. The ONLY reason N.A. Markets engines are running 20wt oils is because of CAFE fuel economy requirements the manufacturers have to meet. I’ve been a Honda tech for 25 yrs. I purchased my 2005 Accord new and since its had 2000 miles on it I have ran 0W40 European car synthetic in it at 7500 mile intervals. Never had a chain, tensioner, sprockets. Clean as a pin inside and totally quiet. Uses no oil between changes. My oil supplier for my shop has an 03 he uses as his company car. That thing has over 250,000 on it and never had the valve cover off. He’s run 5W40 CJ-4 diesel oil in his the whole time . Though higher zinc levels may shorten catalytic converter life I’d much rather spend 30 minutes and $140 for a bolt on converter than tearing the front cover off of my engine and dealing with worn chains, and worn VTC sprockets. It’s a no-brainer for me.
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Good to know!
Yikes ! Ive been running 0w20 in my tsx for 100km , is it safe to swith over to 5w40?
Skyee just change over to full synthetic 5w30 and you will be fine
Good insight there Wayne. I've known K series to be bullet-proof. Never heard of any problems with VTC sprockets. Timing chain in K series usually last the life of the car (if not tuned).
good video, detailed and clear quality
How you install you vtc actuator open or close position
Which timing kit did you purchase? Or recommend
oh I should ask: when you remove that motor mount - does that mean you have to support the engine from below?
Yes!! I would like to know that as well
@@ecarlos56 Yes. please support the motor while the mount is out.
Hey bro what code did you get to know it was streched chain
This video is extremely helpful
I’ve seen some people remove the intake camshaft when installing a new VTV actuator, but you did not. Is it necessary to do that?
Honda recommends taking it out and putting it on a padded workbench. But either way works
Where did you buy your time in chain kit because in the link it says do not buy this and it also does not have the gold links
Thanks for the detailed video! I am planning to do the same on my tsx this weekend and this video will really help! Only question i had was, what was the size of an open ended wrench used to hold the cam while loosening the vtc sprocket bolt? I have 26mm but not sure if it is correct.
It is a 15/16th. I tried to find a metric size that would work but grabbed that and it worked fine. If you need to as well, you can use an adjustable wrench to hold the cams in place
Thanks!
No problem man :)
Will this work on a 2002 Honda civic hatchback si I mean is it the same procedure lol
Hey! The upper chain guide link you have posted isn't the right one, could you post the right one? Thanks
Impressive work Milan. (*highfive)
Question why would you think that it would not start??
hey man. how is this kit still holding up now? thanks in advance
When you timing chain gold link are align top and bottom and you turn crankshaft a bunch of times the gold links align again
Thank you so much for the video and pep talk lol
I would like to know they told me about a timing chain but I bought a timing belt for a 2006 Honda Accord and the two timing to 20 00 chain 2016 is supposed to work but the belt don't work so I was looking at your program and they told me that I have something going on with my valves which I didn't understand I need to explain to me before I try to do this myself can you help me I have bought parts that I need to send back and get the right parts this is my first time trying this I have worked on cars way before I got 60 years old it's just something I can do or something I need to pay somebody to do can you help me thank you
So to do this job do I have to take water pump and power steering pump off ?
No. Both can stay on.
How did you remove the crankshaft pulley
so did you use oem or did you use that eccpp kit you have in the video. how is it holding up so far
In this video, I changed the worn parts to ECCPP parts, but very shortly after had to swap them out as they prematurely failed. OEM or nothing
Thanks for the Video! kind of scary running your car in a closed garage...
this a ECCP brand I see, how is it ? any issues ? looking to do mine idk if I should go Honda brand or not I know I can save a lot of money with ECCP but what you think ?
Got this problem on a 3.5 l v6 accord haven’t found a video on how to replace it
Bro, I have the same problem you think I need a new engine or just replace the chain. Car crank up but still won't start but I don't my engine shot but it did turn off while driving .
Just one question and 1 comment:
1. Why you did not lock the cams when you where removing the sprocket and the actuator???
2.Before installing the valve cover, you could turn the engine over at the crank manually to recheck timing marks.
And yet you were doing pulls with it a few weeks ago in that tunnel while having the checking engine light lmao smh 😊 love the videos!
Even when the accord is 'broken', it still work fine ahah
milanmastracci when’s the next mini video coming out? Anxious to see the progress
@@milanmastracci What is harder ,timing belt or timing chain to rep!ace?l have an accord with 200k miles on it and still super quiet and drives like adream.
Great explanation great video great job
Is it possible to change the VVT sprocket by only removing the valve cover?
I don't see why not? If you plan on changing out the VVT sprocket, you might as well replace the timing chain since you're in there.
What is the honda model number for the camshaft part??
Why didn't you pull the oil pan & change that other chain .? What happens if it gos.dude ! God bless.
Do you remove the oil b4 the repair?
So how did you "time" the engine?