Honda K Series Fail, What Went Wrong?

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  • Not long ago I posted a short series of videos replacing the 2.4L K series engine in my, new to me, 2005 Honda Element. Many of you asked about what went wrong with the engine. In this video I tear the K series apart to find out why it didn’t have compression in cylinder #2. I also add useful info on timing chain replacement, as well as some other common issues to look out for on the Honda K series engine.
    For those of you that want the engine, sorry, it's already been taken away. Thanks for your interest.
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  • @is300glenn
    @is300glenn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    The more I watch this guy, the more I like what he presents. He's unusually smart, articulate, and experienced. The unfortunate part for most of us, however, is there's not many "Eric's" out there for us to work with.

  • @BiggySeth
    @BiggySeth 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Tip for anyone wanting to take off and REUSE the head of your Kseries engine. (Like a head gasket replacement) DO NOT remove the cam bolt like Eric did by just unbolting them one by one, it WILL warp the assembly.
    You have to take off the Cam bracket bolts and Head bolt in a specific and slow quarter turn cross pattern in order to prevent warping and having to take everything to a machine shop.

    • @kirkandkaylaglaser2922
      @kirkandkaylaglaser2922 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You’re right. Start in middle and work toward outside evenly on each side of middle

  • @bryanlamb6351
    @bryanlamb6351 3 ปีที่แล้ว +129

    Hahaha!! “Without these, the VTEC can’t kick in, yo!!” Thanks Eric, great video, and as always - thanks for sharing with us!!

  • @FrankC76
    @FrankC76 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Watching you take this engine apart was like therapy for me.

  • @ArchimedeanEye
    @ArchimedeanEye 3 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    valve seat recession and lack of cam follower clearance leading to low compression and other bad things.. very well explained Eric.

    • @benh4222
      @benh4222 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      and like he said a valve adjustment was likely done (incorrectly).

  • @Tuttomenui
    @Tuttomenui 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    That spring thing I learned from another youtuber is a bypass spring. If the filter element gets clogged the oil pressure can push it in and bypass. I guess the idea is that its better to let dirty oil through rather than starve the engine of oil.

  • @toddblais3060
    @toddblais3060 3 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    The stamped steel spring is what opens the bypass valve when the filter clogs and can’t move oil through the element. It compresses and lets oil pass straight through in case of clogging.

    • @brandonupchurch7628
      @brandonupchurch7628 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      On this filter, it only holds the filter element in place and has a hole in it so oil can get to the bypass valve, the bypass valve is built into the end cap of the filter media on this filter. The stamp spring has nothing to do with the actuation of the bypass valve, the bypass valve has it's own little coil spring that's designed to actuate the valve when the delta between the inlet side of the filter is too high either when the filter plugs or during a cold start when the oil is very thick and causes a very high pressure drop when it's forced through the media.

    • @heisenberg9739
      @heisenberg9739 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@brandonupchurch7628 ur talking arse

  • @rand723
    @rand723 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Just bought a 2003 CRV with same K24A1 engine that supposedly had a bad #2 cylinder. I compression tested it myself and all 4 cylinders were above 180psi. Turns out all it needed was a new ignition coil. I went from thinking I needed to rebuild an engine to just needing a $40 ignition coil. Winning.

  • @Michael-fw5ef
    @Michael-fw5ef 3 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    I love videos like this where I see how the cams and valves and spark plugs and cylinders etc, all come together in an engine. It's much better than looking at pictures in a book.

  • @-DC-
    @-DC- 3 ปีที่แล้ว +134

    K Series is one of the best internal combustion engines ever manufactured.

    • @tiberiusclaudiusnerogermanicis
      @tiberiusclaudiusnerogermanicis 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Bit like the 1.9tdi pd

    • @jaybee6477
      @jaybee6477 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      The best naturally aspirated that will ever exist possibly

    • @hunting447
      @hunting447 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Volkswagen is superior

    • @busterscrugs
      @busterscrugs 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tiberiusclaudiusnerogermanicis ew, pumpe duse. ALH ftw

    • @jeffthejinjer
      @jeffthejinjer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah clearly not 🙄
      Did you watch the same video I just did?
      Manual valve adjustments go way back to early 20th century! You'd think they'd upgrade by now 😆

  • @ketoninja
    @ketoninja 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    A post-mortem on my favorite engine ever, the Honda K24. Thanks Eric!
    I've also never seen a better explanation (show and tell) of why Honda valves require periodic adjustment.

    • @adobo6905
      @adobo6905 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Honda is not recommending it. Eric recommending it. Honda wins the argument.

    • @BigEightiesNewWave
      @BigEightiesNewWave 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@adobo6905 engine burned up from NOT adjusting , Eric wins. Bad Honda design.

    • @adobo6905
      @adobo6905 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BigEightiesNewWave your logic is unmistakably accurate.

    • @A_guy840
      @A_guy840 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@adobo6905 Honda actually does recommend it too...

    • @adobo6905
      @adobo6905 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@A_guy840 I took my 2006 Odessey to a Honda dealer with 185000km and K24 engine for noisy lifters and I was told adjustment is not a part of scheduled preventive maintenance or nedded.

  • @charlesk9471
    @charlesk9471 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    You are such a good teacher for auto problems. Thank you.

    • @Mishakol1290
      @Mishakol1290 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He is but i don't buy that a valve caused him to lose all compression it might of been his piston rings. He didn't test the other cylinders for leakage to see if it was normal for it to leak. Sometimes it IS normal and i had a machinist i knew who said it was fine for the valves to leak in a test because the amount of igniton cycles and speed causes them to seal. Its not accurate to do a test like that is what im saying.

  • @digitalrailroader
    @digitalrailroader 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    That bottom end looks to still be serviceable; a good honing and fresh rings would do wonders for it! As for the cylinder head, it would make for a good core for a new head. (Whoever owned that element before you, was very likely RELIGIOUS with oil changes which is probably why it’s so clean inside)

    • @SignalStopper
      @SignalStopper 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      yeah and whoever did the valve adjustment (probably some brand new tech at honda) fucked it up and ruined the exhaust valves. that is why doing the work yourself and taking your time at home is better than letting some high school flunkie do it at the honda dealership.
      lot of the dealerships recruit people from stickers that they put on the oil filter.

    • @hisheeelijah1482
      @hisheeelijah1482 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@SignalStopper perfectly daid my friend. You put my thoughts into words perfectly

    • @pliedtka
      @pliedtka 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The 2.4L and V6 engines 'tighten' valves clearance with usage, and adjustment is a must on them. But most likely the piston rings are also baked and with the increased temperature caused by burning oil the valves suffered as well - I did a few of these.

    • @DentSideDee71
      @DentSideDee71 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pliedtka Do your maintenance you won’t have an issue.

  • @starbai410
    @starbai410 3 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    K Series, Best engine ever made by Honda imo.

    • @TheRebuilt1
      @TheRebuilt1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      maybe most powerful and advanced but the D series was their best most reliable design imo.

    • @etchosts8162
      @etchosts8162 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      They’re bullet proof. Valve cover gaskets leak but not a big deal.

    • @wasabitoburrion4409
      @wasabitoburrion4409 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree ☝️

    • @ifgezroxy
      @ifgezroxy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I love B16 and B18 engines, have owned a car with them. But have to agree. They are insanely good value for money, the can be a huge powerhouses or reliable daily driven cars. Not many engines can claim to be so versatile.

    • @youngb1ood
      @youngb1ood 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheRebuilt1 b series over d series. D series will eventually have head gasket issues. But timing belts are a cinch to change.

  • @dominicfong6341
    @dominicfong6341 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are such a wonderful father dear EricTheCarGuy. Your kids are very fortunate to have ya, sir!

  • @billtanguay8905
    @billtanguay8905 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Eric! I'm sending this video to both of my kids in the hope they watch the machine that is under their hood and have a better appreciation of what keeps working perfectly for them day after day, season after season, year after year - and why their dad is such a maniac about oil changes and filters! 2004 CRV and 2007 Element!

    • @ericthecarguy
      @ericthecarguy  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You might throw this one in as well: th-cam.com/video/saPGX-1qC4M/w-d-xo.html
      Thanks for the comment.

  • @joemamma9642
    @joemamma9642 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i literally just adjusted my valves on my j30 at 184k. all intake valves were loose and chattering, exhausts were nice and tight. back to spec and it sounds like new. thanks eric!

  • @supersabrosinho
    @supersabrosinho 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Excellent teardown! thanks Eric for sharing with the rest of us!

  • @darthvirgin7157
    @darthvirgin7157 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    strange for a honda engine, i’ve had to do a valve adjustment on this same engine (K24A1, for a CR-V) at only ~60k miles. i essentially got an error code related to idling. and when the engine was cold, i would have problems with the engine dying when at a stop light.
    i was proud of myself when i managed to fixed the problem myself.

  • @randomrandy1166
    @randomrandy1166 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i replaced an exhaust cam when i got my e at 320 000km(worn out lobe) did a valve set after watching your video, i checked my plugs a week later and found one running hot, watched your video again.. did the valve set again, and found i had one exhaust valve a little to snug, i just hit 400 000km and going strong on the original engine. very easy to to over do it lol Thanks for your help and all your info, fun videos to watch

  • @mpaulk2023
    @mpaulk2023 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Good lord, if I didn’t live in OREGON, I would already be at the shop waiting for you!!!! 🤣🤣🤣

    • @garybaker1634
      @garybaker1634 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      After me!!!

    • @garybaker1634
      @garybaker1634 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Lol

    • @Chrislk1986
      @Chrislk1986 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hello fellow PNW'er! And same, I'd love to tinker with a K24 but I've got an EP3 with K20a2(?) @ 240k miles that I've been waiting for to die, but it just won't!
      Heck, even my previous Civic, 98 Hx wouldn't die (D16y8?). My sister ran it low (2qt+) on a 2000mile trip up from Cali (stripped drain bolt), and it burned horribly ever since. Went 2 years/32k miles without changing the oil, just topped it off every week. Figured it wouldn't hurt since it needed to be rebuilt anyway, car was a champ.

    • @johnsmothermon6856
      @johnsmothermon6856 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Chrislk1986 I'd love to have that K20a2 head if you decide to get rid of it.

    • @Chrislk1986
      @Chrislk1986 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@johnsmothermon6856 My bad. It's actually an K20A3. I'd love an A2 as well.

  • @gregholloway2656
    @gregholloway2656 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great video, Eric. Glad you’re not going to just junk that engine. Even with just a head rebuild, I’d think it’d continue to run for quite a while.

  • @Porsche996TT
    @Porsche996TT 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a cheap Renault car and I wanted to watch this just for knowledge and experience, and came out with a good observation that I should take care of in my engine which is valve adjustment. I know my engine repair manual recommends it but I was delaying it for not knowing what might happen. Thanks Eric.

  • @ryanpearson6765
    @ryanpearson6765 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Funny that I watch this video today and I went and bought a K24A2 this past Tuesday for $600 (I’m building a AWD Del Sol). Plus the fact I live in Georgia and it is a 10hr trip one way. Thanks for the great talking points Eric. I turn your channel on for background noise while I’m working on my corvette killers.

  • @ka-tengboyz5473
    @ka-tengboyz5473 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    “Without these the vtec can’t kick in Yo.”😂☠️
    Awesome video. Learned so much from you over the years

    • @TheShangralaaaa17
      @TheShangralaaaa17 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      vtec doesnt kick in anyways on an A1 lol

  • @lonwillis783
    @lonwillis783 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Eric my 2003 honda element went 249000 miles. No problem I though these engines were bulletproof. And no I wasn't always light on the pedal. Yes I had the valves adjusted every 70 to 100 k. 😊👍

  • @shiftn2gear
    @shiftn2gear 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you so much for this video, I just bought an 05 AWD element with 0 compression on cylinder 1. Did some tests and I’m sure it’s the exhaust valve. Trying to take the head off with the motor in the car and still working on it, one more good session and I should have it off.

  • @audioworkshop1
    @audioworkshop1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've had 4 elements, all still running like new and I have never seen or heard of a K series engine going bad under 200k [unless regular oil changes and maintenance were neglected] but even then it's rare... I would have just changed the valve out and run it for the next 100k... the K series are almost indestructible as we all know, that said I really enjoyed this series on the engine swap and learned a lot about my trusty ride... Cheers!

  • @richardrivera5546
    @richardrivera5546 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is the best video I have seen yet. This is super helpful and very well explained. Thank you.

  • @Nabeelco
    @Nabeelco 3 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    That engine looks like it's a perfect candidate for a full rebuild. You can pretty much turn that into a brand new engine that'll last forever.

    • @Nabeelco
      @Nabeelco 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @Faggot Rotten Yeah, but unless you're buying a crate engine, you don't know what you're getting.

    • @wasabitoburrion4409
      @wasabitoburrion4409 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I tried doing an engine tear down years ago on a 3TC engine from a Toyota Celica, I only got a third of the way there on such a simple engine.?

    • @rolandm9750
      @rolandm9750 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You mean another 180k miles. Maybe more, maybe less, but definitely not "forever".

    • @Nabeelco
      @Nabeelco 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@rolandm9750 Nah, I mean forever, till the dinosaurs come again, and the martians start anal probing the giraffes.

    • @TheShangralaaaa17
      @TheShangralaaaa17 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      these engines are crap. no actual VTEC and they're made for economy. wouldnt waste the money on fixing one when a whole replacement engine can be bought cheaply

  • @craigbartels2021
    @craigbartels2021 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I currently have a 2001 crv (b20z) with a dead cylinder as well...this video gives me some confidence and some ideas what to look for after pulling the head.. love the solvent in the upper chamber idea.. thanks so much eric, you have gotten me through six years of keeping the old dog on the road
    -craig

    • @craigiefconcert6493
      @craigiefconcert6493 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh no....
      I just noticed your name is Craig. I’ve got a B20b engine CRV. Engine is good though. Needs a timing belt and valve adjustment. I hope I get the valve lash right.

    • @craigbartels2021
      @craigbartels2021 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@craigiefconcert6493 i think youll be fine... plenty of information out there.Just take your time and remember its better to leave them a little bit loose than tight. Personally I like to use a box wrench and scewdriver vs. the adjustment tool, cause you can see the position of the slot on the set screw as you tighten down the jam nut...good luck!

  • @fallbrookdave
    @fallbrookdave 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really blessed to have Eric putting out all these videos on Honda Elements. Just happens to be my car.

  • @MrAtomBee
    @MrAtomBee 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just changed the plugs on my crv 2005 and saw that plug 3 was pretty carbonized , car has 210k and never had a valve adjustment so Im going to surmise that might be exactly what a no valve adjustment issue may look like. Love your channel!!

  • @probochronicles3991
    @probochronicles3991 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm happy to see that the guide blades for the timing chain are mostly metal, unlike the GM Ecotech motor I had in my last car, an 04 Cavalier. I did a complete timing chain replacement in that car because the guide broke. Then I had to take the oil pan off to make sure no plastic parts landed in the oil....

  • @oldtimefarmboy617
    @oldtimefarmboy617 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    When it comes to bolts and screws, when I worked as a mechanic decades ago, I built a container with partitioned to create pockets (with labels) to put bolts and stuff from different parts of the engine or transmission I was working on into as I took them out. That prevented someone or something from accidentally hitting the bolt groups and mixing them up. That enabled me or anyone who took over for me to know what was what and where it went. Putting it on the back of the bench lessened the possibility of the container accidentally being knocked off as well.
    When it comes to work on the interior of a vehicle, I do the same thing but with one of those compartmentalized containers they sell for fishing lures, weights, etcetera. Taking something out of the dash or removing a seat, just put the screws and bolts for each different part into its own compartment then shut and snap the lid so that everything stays secure in its own compartment. Makes reassembly much easier when different dash screws are similar but still different enough they do no work in each others place as well.

  • @jpkillah1
    @jpkillah1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Eric all you need to do is throw some aftermarket rods and pistons on that k24 block and get yourself a k20a2 head and slap that on that block and that’s the perfect set up to go in that extra civic

    • @ericthecarguy
      @ericthecarguy  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      My plan is to hunt for an RSX Type S and take the engine and transmission from it for the Civic.

    • @jpkillah1
      @jpkillah1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ericthecarguy that’s also a great idea, I did sort of the same on my last set up, I owned a 02 rsx type s that needed a lot of rust repair in the undercarriage and what I ended up doing was getting a 99 civic and took everything I needed out of my rsx and put it there, those engines are very rev happy and the power band on a light shell like the civic feels like a 300+hp car you will definitely have some fun with that thing on and off the street

  • @carterthiessen2664
    @carterthiessen2664 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "Id rather hear a valve than smell it."
    Some advice I got from an old Honda tech on valve adjustments. Say the intake spec is 8-10 thou and the exhaust is 10 to 12, ill err on the loose side.

  • @semperfi1000
    @semperfi1000 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wasn't planning on watching the whole video but Eric did it in such an entertaining way I really enjoyed it.

  • @davidroyston6550
    @davidroyston6550 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very good of you to give that motor to someone who needs it. Kudos.

  • @jameswyatt1304
    @jameswyatt1304 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The usual thorough, well-explained videos I love on this channel, Eric. I learn bits in every one, so thank you once again.

  • @alexlarkin3725
    @alexlarkin3725 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another great video! EricTheCarGuy has got to be my favorite TH-camr. The biggest reason is that he stays true to his roots. His videos are always informative, interesting, funny, and NOT clickbaity.

  • @TheBRMueller
    @TheBRMueller 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    LOL! I just changed the plugs and coils on my 2003 Element with 197000 miles. I think the plugs were the originals. They were highly eroded. No more codes! It does use some oil, but I can live with it. I bought it 8 years ago for $6000 for .my daughter to learn to drive on. Now it's my daily driver. Here in the midwest it will probably rust apart before that engine dies. When it does I'll pull the engine and rebuild it. Now if Honda can just make a reliable 3.5......... Thanks Eric

  • @jamesjamias6796
    @jamesjamias6796 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I learn so much from watching your videos. Periodic Valve adjustment part of this video was very helpful.

  • @ecschindelbeck
    @ecschindelbeck 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Very informative. Although it is about an Element engine, this video teaches me a lot about the K24 in my own 2015 Accord Sport. Thanks ETCG!

  • @shootr04
    @shootr04 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It’s a shame that such a clean engine had issues. Also the burning oil is a bummer.
    My 04 Accord 2.4 with 227k ran smooth as butter but drank oil like it was going out of style. My 05 I currently have with 127k, however, doesn’t burn a drop. It’s interesting how some just seem to develop those issues while others do not.

  • @highthai7
    @highthai7 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When you do find the right Kseries engine for the Civic we would love that swap video series.

    • @gfriedman99
      @gfriedman99 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I totaled my 02 Accord with a KA24 engine. If I knew you needed one for the civic I would have kept it for ya

  • @ABZer0x_x
    @ABZer0x_x 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "Without these, the V-tec can't kick in, yo!"
    I laughed so hard I almost spilled my coffee 😂

  • @prevost8686
    @prevost8686 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Routine valve adjustments would’ve prevented that and used to be part of major services like 60K services. Honda claims that they aren’t necessary anymore unless they’re noisey. Tight valves aren’t noisey and therein lies the problem.

    • @ericthecarguy
      @ericthecarguy  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Actually, we were adjusting valves at 15K at the dealer back in the day. Totally excessive. I agree with Honda, they really only need adjusting if they are noisy. As I mentioned in the video, I've seen more issues like this that resulted from improper adjusting of the valves over the valves wearing out by themselves. Thanks for the comment.

    • @SignalStopper
      @SignalStopper 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ericthecarguy do you recommend doing valve adjustments in a K20? or just leave them be. curious to get your opinion on it. I have a K20Z3 with 110k miles that runs very well.

  • @Uaekabayanautomaster
    @Uaekabayanautomaster 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    My idol Eric the car guy.. He knows what he explain.. Smart and cool guy.

  • @dailystruggletv5403
    @dailystruggletv5403 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    ive change my motor on my element twice with the same failure cylinder misfire 🤦🏻‍♂️ good video thank u

  • @bryang2724
    @bryang2724 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My CRV with K24 hasn't had an adjustment at all as far as i know and it's got 416k miles on it.

    • @seanwilson7825
      @seanwilson7825 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Holy crap! I have 304k. Your post gives me confidence to keep it.

  • @forrestcarroll9350
    @forrestcarroll9350 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If only you weren't so far, I'd pick this up to rebuild to replace the K24 in my CRV that's having similar oil consumption issues. Hopefully someone does something more interesting with it than what I would have!

  • @integrars100
    @integrars100 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Did a valve adjustment because of this video on my 2007 accord, 4 cyl. Two of the intake valves needed a slight adjustment. And two of the exhaust valve were way too tight.
    Thanks Eric!

  • @marciaz31
    @marciaz31 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You have a great speaking voice .... Thank you for the education on this engine ...

  • @DavidSanchez-ib4ft
    @DavidSanchez-ib4ft 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The best analogy that can be used here is as follows: If you've never owned or maintained an Air-cooled engine, please do try and adjust vales on a Honda. It's not rocket science, but it does require knowledge of how feeler gauges are used when measuring the amount of drag while adjusting your valves.

  • @50sKid
    @50sKid 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Yep it was definitely consuming oil due to the worn valve guides. Those would need to be replaced.

  • @Spillmansgarage
    @Spillmansgarage 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    “This video could double as a timing chain replacement tutorial.”
    Me - Step 1, remove engine from car.

    • @michaelblacktree
      @michaelblacktree 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Step 1: Jack up the car.
      😛

    • @Spillmansgarage
      @Spillmansgarage 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@michaelblacktree true, true!

    • @JustinPaul1st
      @JustinPaul1st 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Step 1 remove the positive battery terminal 😁😁😁

    • @aussiebloke609
      @aussiebloke609 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@michaelblacktree Good one, Moog...I mean, Mike. :-D

    • @chrishernandez2490
      @chrishernandez2490 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@aussiebloke609 haha I remember that video. Wasnt he installing car speakers?

  • @dc5duben96
    @dc5duben96 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    lots of great info for us kseries guys, thanks eric!

  • @boomerguy9935
    @boomerguy9935 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've owned a bunch of Honda's including the K-series engines and I've never had any oil consumption with any of them. The only thing I can attribute to this is using premium synthetic oil with 5K mile changes. I also follow the scheduled maintenance jobs, particularly the "big" ones which include valve adjustments and replacement of plugs, coils, water pumps and thermostats. My VTEC solenoid switch screen filters have always been clean when I replace them at 100K mile intervals.
    If you take care of your Honda, it will take care of you.

  • @buddybarker8511
    @buddybarker8511 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Looks just as good as when I built it ! Yes that piece of plastic belongs in the water jacket. It directs flow of coolant

  • @bradd9970
    @bradd9970 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Working for Honda for the billion years I have I hardly ever had to tear these down. I did do some chains because “typically Honda owners” take care of their cars. Which is why I have a pilot with 230k that runs phenomenal.

  • @WhiskeyDale
    @WhiskeyDale 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    great to see what the issue was on this engine. I do believe it is worthy of a nice economical rebuild and get it back on the road. thanks Eric

  • @IBenZik
    @IBenZik 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This rebuild would be great to watch. Pt. 1, Pt. 2 etc. Don't need it all at once but I would love to watch rebuild.
    Thanks for your info.

  • @AntonioClaudioMichael
    @AntonioClaudioMichael 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good video @EricTheCarGuy

  • @737tech
    @737tech 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very interesting. My Element has 215,000 miles, never adjusted the valves, runs great, as it gets old I kinda afraid to mess with stuff.

    • @phxrsx
      @phxrsx ปีที่แล้ว

      In the same boat with my CRV. Thing idles like an electric car. Afraid to adjust anything.

  • @HotRod-wv4vm
    @HotRod-wv4vm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I had my Element’s valves adjusted a couple of weeks ago and it feels a lot stronger, 2nd valve adjustment first one done at 100k and the latest at 190. They did break a couple of bolts which I later discovered. Went back to honda who did the work and they were replaced at no charge. Really love this car.

    • @Whateva67
      @Whateva67 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      What bolts did they break? I had my 01 Prelude in for a timing belt,tensioner and water pump at a Honda dealership in British Columbia. They broke a bolt off for the tensioner and of course it’s a special bolt that took a couple extra days to get in. 😎

    • @HotRod-wv4vm
      @HotRod-wv4vm 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Two rear bolts to the valve cover that i believe also reaches into the inatale manifold. They screw into the coil cover

    • @ericthecarguy
      @ericthecarguy  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's unfortunate that they broke parts on your engine and didn't do anything about it at the dealer. The dealer should be the best place for service. It's unfortunate that's not always the case.

    • @Whateva67
      @Whateva67 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ericthecarguy the dealership here on Vancouver island did everything they could to get my car fixed after they broke the bolt,of course as you know Eric,that’s a special bolt on the tensioner and they didn’t have one in stock so they called other dealers and even auto wreckers on the island to no avail,so I had to wait a few days for one to get shipped from Toronto,all good now though,car runs great with only 177 thousand kms on it. 😎

    • @HotRod-wv4vm
      @HotRod-wv4vm 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ericthecarguy the dealer was the one that serviced it and they repaired it at no cost to me. I bought my car there in 2004 and always get it serviced there. Lucky for me I have a good relationship with the service manager.

  • @t5montecarlo
    @t5montecarlo 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I had a 1969 LeMans that consumed a quart of oil every 300 miles. When I disassembled the engine, the gap of the top 2 rings was perfect. The oil control rings had no tension...the cause of the oil consumption. I exchanged the heads for rebuilt heads, installed new rings and bearings, and after the engine was broken in, there was no oil consumption between oil changes.
    Your Honda engine may have a similar issue with the oil control rings.

  • @michaelblacktree
    @michaelblacktree 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love watching engine tear-down videos. Thanks, Eric! 👍

  • @ÆCME
    @ÆCME ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic video Eric, once again...
    The Honda Master,King . 🔥💯💫

  • @olbtube
    @olbtube 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really like the knowledge and work you put into this and share with us! I must confess I switched to electric a year ago, and for a daily driver, not having to think about all these potential issues issues is a bliss. I still would like to have a (proper) gas powered car as a hobby, and that's why I will keep watching your videos.

    • @ericthecarguy
      @ericthecarguy  3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Electric is cool, but also has its drawbacks. I believe electric is just another version of the same thing we're dealing with with ICE. If we really want to address the environment, public transport is the way. Thanks for the comment.

  • @kittty2005
    @kittty2005 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I had a 1962 Studebaker Lark, it had BADLY worn cylinders BARREL shaped, I guess soft casting metal. Anyhoo, I went to a catalog called Warshawsky, Inc. And in there they sold among other things a kit in a can called Amazing Engine Overhaul, wax pellets that you put in sparkplug holes, these pellets were saturated with molybdenum disulfide, it also had a smaller can with Moly and Zinc-Dithiophosphate dissolved in motor oil.
    I actually tried that stuff but on this engine it did not work, about .060 thousandths wear in the bores is just not going to be fixed without a tear down, might work on something a bit more realistic, but it made a great insect fogger. It would burn a quart of oil every half hour just idling, so I gathered up the neighbor hoods recycle oil and used it, I was a kid and it was 1968.

  • @bobbydelamar606
    @bobbydelamar606 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Same thing happened to my K24A2 CRX.

  • @life.is.to.short1414
    @life.is.to.short1414 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    without these cted won't kick in yo. good one

  • @MrTimstaaa
    @MrTimstaaa 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Eric. Thank's for another great video. Love the Honda video's. I've got a Honda accord Euro with the K24a3 engine which i purchased brand new in 2005. I had to replace the motor about 5 years ago at about 198,000 kms (engine was faulty from factory. So these video's help alot.

  • @jameskim62
    @jameskim62 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    GREAT VIDEO !!!!! you could have cleaning the burned valve, so it shows better.

  • @plusplusplusfuly
    @plusplusplusfuly 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    0:20 i'm pretty sure it K24A4 eric. great work. love ur video.

    • @dhruvpatel6884
      @dhruvpatel6884 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yup! It is. Same engine from my 2003 Accord

  • @tinybubbles3724
    @tinybubbles3724 ปีที่แล้ว

    My 05 crv lost cylinder #3 at 338,000 miles. The motor still runs but is tight. I looked down the spark plug hole and don't see real bad scratches. I did valve adjustment at 110k and 220k. Not sure what went wrong but its the end of the road for the old girl. Btw the AC was mint. I replaced the ac clutch last fall but otherwise it would freeze you on a 100f day.

  • @patick4041
    @patick4041 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video man. I’m a noob mechanic who loves Hondas, and I hate learning from the ricer guys on the internet where I don’t feel confident enough to do the job! I’ll be doing a valve lash adjustment soon on my K series. I’d rather hear em than smell em 😎

  • @t5montecarlo
    @t5montecarlo 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    There is a very clean, good sized nick in the exhaust seat. A bit of debris may have been pinched between the valve and the seat and held the valve open, causing it to burn and lose compression.

  • @joeclarke9782
    @joeclarke9782 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for delving into this naughty motor.

  • @serge7dai
    @serge7dai 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I had the same experience with my wife's crv when I checked the fit of the valves and found that the space was less than the specification, where as normally we see a larger space.I did an inspection and adjustment at 100,000km I live in Canada(km)

  • @Wiltgenfab
    @Wiltgenfab 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just did a budget build for my brothers integra.K24a4( same engine as this in video) used a type s 6 speed with 4,7 final drive. Definitely a fun street car . Torque is great top end not so much.

  • @michaelprice3785
    @michaelprice3785 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bad valve adj would not account for oil. Check oil ring and it could be worn or installed wrong. (spreader ends overlapping). This is what happened in my 84 350 Suburban. Excess oil into a cylinder caused an exhaust valve to be isolated from its seat. The exhaust valve overheated and a hunk came out of it.

  • @tractormantp2113
    @tractormantp2113 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You could have that head sent out cleaned up , have the seats cut put new valves in it ,or do it yourself lap them in new guides seems like that’s all it needs, Put some rod bearings in it piston rings on it out I think it be good to go,possibly ...I just did an engine similar to that and I had virtually the same problem with a flat tappet cam , I just put a new valve and re-cut the seats , lapped in adjusted the valve lash , problem cured, look forward to a rebuild on this engine🙂🙂

  • @joepublic2894
    @joepublic2894 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great video Eric.Do you know what the consumption rate was before tear down? The reason i asked was my Honda civic d15b7 1994 had 400,000 and started burning oil of 1 qt every 200 miles.i bought new pistons & rings std size.when i got it apart the bores still had a little crosshatch BUT the OIL return holes on the pistons were ALL plugged on all cylinders.I had gotten tired of oil changes>40 + changes.I ran a drill bit through the holes/ put the rings only from the new piston on the old ones and BALL HONED THE CLYs.Reassembled ,it now has 540,000.and went back to 1/2 qt every 7,000 miles.mine you i bought the care new.that year was great to me.

  • @richardploeser4267
    @richardploeser4267 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    GOOD Diagnosis! Great job!

  • @mannypaul5744
    @mannypaul5744 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The oil control ring might be the the higher oil consumption. There's a YT video "Why the Honda K Series is the Best 4 Cylinder Engine" at 16:13 is where he goes over it.

  • @alanbare8319
    @alanbare8319 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nothing like a good engine autopsy to make my weekend.

  • @AntonioClaudioMichael
    @AntonioClaudioMichael 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow at how clean that engine is in the inside for the mileage 😳🤯 @EricTheCarGuy

  • @j.maxwaddell2557
    @j.maxwaddell2557 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fun to watch you take this engine apart with great ease and knowledge. Good video

  • @StoneColdStrah
    @StoneColdStrah ปีที่แล้ว

    Usually on Honda you would adjust the valves every time you change spark plugs which is recommended about 160,000 kilometers or 100,000 miles

  • @pk6336158
    @pk6336158 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    With the way how the piston was moving in its bore, it most likey was burning oil from the rings, honing it would take it worse, after taking off some material from honing the piston would slap and cause the same blow by problem, the fix for the block is to bore out and re sleeve if you can, so you can go back with the same piston and new rings

  • @jp2246
    @jp2246 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Cool that you are going to give the engine away to a viewer, hope the person who gets it does something with it!

    • @TheShangralaaaa17
      @TheShangralaaaa17 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      yea like toss it in the scrap pile where it belongs lol

  • @AllPraiseToYah
    @AllPraiseToYah 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    @Eric your the man! Excellent breakdown.

  • @Uaekabayanautomaster
    @Uaekabayanautomaster 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Timing chain looks like good as it is.. also the chain guide rail..

  • @TheOldMansPicks
    @TheOldMansPicks 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent breakdown. Thanks.

  • @blairguinea6811
    @blairguinea6811 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Eric.........as long as been on you tube, your vids are great, this one is exception, thank you Sir...............and no I cannot get your engine in NZ but thanks for the offer

  • @vdog4799
    @vdog4799 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice piece of reasoning Eric. Thank you for another great video. Love the part about the valves

  • @waiting4aliens
    @waiting4aliens 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good video. Good decision on the K engine as well. Parts and machine work will be very close on almost any Honda engine. You only have so much time so spend it well on a more rewarding engine.

  • @1keykneedeep
    @1keykneedeep 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video Eric. Great upclose camera work. Goos stuff brother