How to Make a Mk7 Volkswagen GTI as fast as a Honda Civic Type R
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 มิ.ย. 2024
- How did with make our Mk7 Volkswagen Golf GTI project car as fast as a Honda Civic Type R? Grassroots Motorsports Publisher Tom Suddard goes through the mods we made that made it quicker on track, yet still quite streetable.
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Host: Tom Suddard, Publisher
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Love the way you kept retesting after each mod.
Just goes to show you that lowering your laptime is not about power, it's about pretty much everything else!
Except they did add 80hp and 100 tq.
Would be neat to keep a running 'leader board' of lap times to compare
Good stuff! Sport dampers were a big miss here while you had it apart for springs...Koni or Bilstein dampers have seen a drop in lap time over the stockers.
The catch can and pcv plate are great for track, but if you drive a significant amount of time on street, they cause a lot of crank pressure, which is going to lead to gaskets and seals leaking. Many of us have learned this the hard way. BL version of pcv with a CC is usually pretty effective, but full mk8 retrofit is better. Keep the TIP stock. It greatly affects crack pressure.
The exhaust side of the catch can or oil separator shd be connected to the inlet side of the turbo to provide a constant vacuum. Once that's done properly, it shdn't lead to seals leaking isn't it?
is the MK8 PCV system not prone to the oil burn issue on track?
@@powerst33ryes, but when you're out of boost, you'll get positive crankcase pressure
@@jameshaulenbeek5931 The turbo inlet is always a vacuum as long as the engine is running
@@powerst33r not always. Depending on the engine and intake setup, you might have positive pressure at idle and low throttle, or until you hit higher rpm.
It's not as simple as that.
Testing that has been done on the stock mk 7 TIP has shown the shape of the TIP and the location the PCV line connects to allows for a vacuum. If you change the TIP, you lose the vacuum on the PCV.
The Mk 8 retrofit creates a venturi at the PCV outlet, allowing you to use an aftermarket TIP without affecting PCV function.
25k GTI -> 35k GTI?
25k gti with 5k worth of all the mods with the tune
This sounds like more than 5k total.
@@fernando1998al because I was also curious for myself:
(before tax)
T-D6e Forged 6 Spoke US Euro JDM Application: Volkswagen MK7 / MK8 '14- Size: F: 18x8.5 5x112 +44 / R: 18x8.5 5x112 +44 Non-Staggered Finish: Techna Bronze:
$2,340.00
CONTINENTAL
EXTREMECONTACT SPORT 02
Tire Size: 245/40ZR18:
$919.54
PAGID RACING RSL29 / RS29 ENDURANCE RACING BRAKE PADS VW GOLF VII FRONT (SHAPE 8021)
$311.40
034-604-100-034-604-1005-20
Cone Seat Nuts 1 x 20 Pack
$68.00
034-604-300-034-604-3002-20
55mm Studs 1 x 55mm Stud - 20 Pack
$85.50
034-103-276-034-103-2761-034-103-2536
ECU Tuning Software 1 x Stage 2
$675.00
DSG Software 1 x Stage 2 DQ381 G2 TCU Tune
$495.00
Sway Bar End Link Pair, Motorsport, Front, Adjustable, Volkswagen & Audi PQ35, MQB, and MQB EVO
034-402-4002
$265.50
Billet Catch Can Kit, 8V/8V.5 Audi A3 & Mk7/Mk7.5 VW GTI FWD
034-101-1019
$625.50
Billet Valve Cover Breather Assembly, 8V/8V.5 Audi A3/S3 & MK7/Mk7.5 Volkswagen GTI/Golf R
034-101-5017
$237.60
2-Piece Floating Front Brake Rotor Upgrade Kit, Volkswagen & Audi MQB and MQB EVO with 2.0T TFSI
034-301-1001
$891.00
Billet Aluminum Upper & Lower Dogbone Mount Insert Pair, Volkswagen & Audi MQB And MQB EVO
034-509-1022/25 & 034-509-6006/7
Dogbone Mount Insert Version 1 x Version 2, 7-Speed DSG $85.50
$85.50
Intercooler System, MK7/7.5 Volkswagen Golf/GTI/R, 8V Audi A3/S3, & 8S Audi TT/TTS 1.8T/2.0T EA888 Gen 3
034-145-4010-BLK/-SIL-034-145-4010-BLK
$765.00
Adjustable Solid Front Sway Bar Upgrade, Volkswagen & Audi MQB and MQB EVO
034-402-1009
$322.20
and lastly,
BRIDGESTONE
POTENZA RE-71RS 245/40R18 $1,107.32
And that brings us to: $9,458.54
Still $30k+ cheaper than a stock CTR 🤷♂️
My back of the napkin math for a stage 1 tune + wheels and tires (which is the most expensive upgrade by a long way), new top hats and springs, anti-roll bars, intercooler, fancy rotors and pads, catch can, and dogbone insert is about $7590 including tax. Not bad
As an original owner of a 2017 GTI, and has modded it quite a bit in just about every category, if I just wanted a fast track GTI, this is what I would do first:
1. Suspension (Dampers and lowering springs or coilovers + RSB)
2. Tires
3. Wheels
4. Brakes
5. OBD11
These five things will make the GTI handle very well on a track, and get you much better lap times.
If you want to add power into it, here is what else I would do:
6. Software tune
7. DSG tune (if DSG)
8. DP
9. Intercooler
This will net you a quick car. There is always more room to grow from here but these will transform the GTI into a street and track weapon.
Is this about the gti or advertising for 034 😂😂😂
Code the VAQ diff to increased traction, this will essentially make the LSD work more/better :)
Do you have a video on how to install the catch can? Had it for a while and did not route the drain back to the turbo due to it seeming like a daunting task and not to much documentation on how to do it.
Replacing the full set of mounts only takes 2 hours in the driveway- you guys could do it easy and it’s worth it!
Very cool, still some opportunity for more w/o sacrificing reliability
can some one explain about the ESC off options in the obd11 what the different in each one and what recommended for track use ? and is it off permanently or just change it when you press the button and have still the stock esc for daily ?
Did you feel the need to intstall an aftermarket oil cooler? Im running a stage 3 GTI and after a few pulls the oil gets pretty hot. I'm planning on tracking it in the future and am wondering if I can just get away with a catch can system.
Take off the stupid catch can, add a oil cooler
Title should say “A 034 advert”
How do you deal with the DSG auto upshift? Even with my 034 trans tune the damn thing will auto shift in manual. 034 told me it is a built in dsg safety feature they won’t turn off, but it is so annoying! I’ll drop two gears coming out of a corner because the car will auto “safety” up shift while I’m mid manual shift. Very annoying. 2018 autobahn.
If you put the car over into S then use the paddles on the steering wheel to shift it will hold gear in our experience.
Oh yeah I’m in S, manual, and traction fully off via obd11, all the good stuff. It will shift at 6500-6900 automatically regardless of mode . 034 confirmed that is normal behavior in manual mode due to the auto shift safety feature they kept on with the factory tcu.
It is very frustrating
@@Grassrootsmotorsports I just heard back from 034 today. They have adjusted the auto shift point to 7400 RPM on a new update just posted, which should fix this issue! Very exciting.
@@SlowDriverSean ....so wouldn't that mean it would still auto up shift...when you hit redline?
@@LoveLikeaHurricaneno. Redline is 7100 - so it will hit redline first. If it can’t get past 7100 rpm, it won’t hit 7400, and therefore won’t auto shift.
How much money for all those parts?
It’s not too bad but depends what parts you’re asking about.
It sounds like they went crazy, but they actually chose wisely. They avoided exhaust, calipers and coilovers. And the DSG allowed them to avoid upgrading clutch and flywheel. That alone saves thousands. The wheel/ tire combo was probably the most expensive addition.
they have a series where they go into depth on the parts they chose from about a year ago
You can drive to work on 200 TW! Just saying
Especially endurance 200TWs
Videos like this just make me want a CTR when I don’t even like them.
Have you driven one? Not just putting around on the street either. The FK8 changed my opinion of the R model
@jamaisvu2664 most people don't track their cars. Over 80% dont that drive these types of cars
@@jamaisvu2664 I have total respect for the CTR, I’ve just never been a fan of how I fit in them or the interiors of a lot of Hondas. But the CTR has become the benchmark that a lot of channels are comparing their GTIs to.
I’d love to see the same comparison with a Mk8. Seat of the pants tells me that the Mk8 rotates better and more predictably than the Mk7.
It does rotate better and is faster out of the box
The MK8 is a lot quicker. Basically, in stock form, the MK8 is just as quick as a Stage 1 tuned MK7/7.5. A Stage 2 stock turbo MK8 is as quick as an IS38 (Golf R turbo) upgrade on the MK7/7.5
The only thing I would change it was the front roll bar. You should installed a lower camber plate instead, it will give you a up to -4 degree. Nice job anyway..
lol it was videos and posts like this of peoples builds that convinced me to ditch the gti and just get a type r
Guess #1 .....
Drove faster
It already is faster than a type R 🤣
Before?? 💀 nah bruv
Around a track no way.
@@davothegreat9990yes way. Matter of fact, it really just comes down to the driver. I was at SEMA two years ago, and they had an auto cross track there. There was a brand new CTR racing on it, and it was in last place against a lot of other cars. The CTR is only as good as its driver, and isn’t really anything special when compared to modified cars.
@JacesOwnWorld source: "trust me bro". 🤣
@JacesOwnWorld yes a good driver can make even the lowest of cars look good but the fact of the matter is that the type r is overall a better performance car than a golf in every way.
Then, the Type R equips 200tw tires and gains 2s. 😢
Very interesting, but could you please avoid starting sentences with the word "so"?