Healing stream. Cloud burst to me always felt weird to have to press a skill and load it up. I prefer to heal when I press a skill. I've never been a high key pusher or mythic raider so feel like could burst never really had a chance to shine for me or add value.
I'm glad you posted about this - I've always just followed build guides that show that Cloudburst has max HPS and just dealt with it. But, I decided to try Healing Stream and...less HPS be damned, it's just SO much simpler. I get the perspective of high-skill ceiling and satisfying ramping but I find it a lot more fun to just drop HS and then dps/deal w/ affix etc.
A class buff could be elemental harmony, giving a different buff per class type. Tanks get dmg red (earth), dps get primary stat buff (fire), healers get additional mana regen (water). I think that sounds pretty cool
Haven't played resto shaman since SL S3, but its good to see them doing well. Mad is absolutely correct about the meta perception. I've been maining aug with my push group but also playing a fair bit as preservation...and just like resto shaman, prevoker is way better than its subcreation meta c tier ranking. Pres can handle weekly 20-22's no problem and I've healed a couple 26-27's easily enough as well. Anyway, nice video, I would love to see a video about pres.
How do you deal with single target healing as preservation evoker? i find that evokers has too slow casts and people die while im charging healing breaths or just casting living flames...
I swapped to disc priest off of my beloved Rsham at my push group's request. Can't wait to get back on the shaman! You've restored my confidence! RIP PI
I am only 5/9 mythic right now as a resto shaman, and I am finding out that healing stream totem is quite competitive in raid compared to cloudburst. Pretty surprising. Healing stream makes keys more afk-ish as far as healing goes, so I can just spend more time dpsing.
As an Rsham main, I love CBT and playing around it, however having the ability to swap to HST and have it be competitive is a nice thing. Sometimes you just want to chill out and blast some keys and not think about managing CBT.
I've gotten so used to CBT, switching to HST would just feel weird. I'm going to have to give it a try to see if it heals enough to keep it, and make keys/raids easier. I think I'd probably just run it in keys though. Great content as always, I actually just got the shaman geared up a bit, might have to take it for a spin, and see how it feels.
I main enhance this season but am pkaying rsham as my offspec and im loving it. I have always loved shaman utility in dungeons. I feel that i havent had any issues healing 20s. Havent healed anythin higher yet but i feel like i wouldnt have any issue pushing higher.
6 year Resto shaman here. I was excited for shaman during the start of DF. Then I realized the talents trees took more away from the class then they appear to provide. The utility of shaman is the reason I love the class. I’m not sure if they were trying to cure button bloat or reduce utility. I’m still sour about the talent tree’s of Shaman. I agree with your thoughts about Cloudburst Totem. I will say, not having to cast healing stream for a modifier is a welcomed change. Weaving 3 to 4 buttons for a top off heal got old and scripted. Reduces complexity but casting should 8/10 times feel worth casting
100% agree with that first half. The first impression was great compared to others then the class designer left and nobody took over or the person who did, literally did nothing and only made things worse. It feels like you are constantly starved for points and 1-2 more points would open the tree up so much more and all it would take would be to reduce the 2-4 point talents. And the nerf to Wellspring that made it unplayable still stings, who kills a talent completely when it did 45% what Wild Growth did BEFORE the nerf AND has twice the cd of WG.
@@Theparadoxd7 I am still heartbroken over vesper totem not making it out of SL. It was so much fun to play. Hopefully we'll get a dev soon who understands the class and its appeals to players. At least ele is gone.
It is pretty situational if I use cbt or hst. I usually use cbt when I know there are phases where I need to pump tons of healing, for more than 10s. For content that just requires burst healing, or only light healing, I prefere hst. Since it gives me more time to dps.
I have used CBT all the time but now after trying the HST i love it, That means that i can now focus a bit more on helping out with dps and keeping people that makes mistakes alive a bit more so thanks for this video :)
I’ve been trying both and I like the HST for M+ just because I have so much other stuff to deal with. I tried it in raid a few times since the buff and I went back to CBT for the controlled burst when I need it.
I am a medium talent player, (old and play time). I find HST is a good change for me. Specifically when I am learning new boss fights. I can focus more on mechanics and still have a passive heal going. Once I have mechanics locked in, I tend to go back to CBT because I enjoy building the burst.
i'm Ele though i've resto'ed before. I watched the video cause I am thinking on picking it up as OS for raid. I used to like CB in raid... you know the damage points, movement points...managing isn't horrible, and it is engaging and super rewarding when you have a great burst. For keys... oof that level of micro management on top soo many ocrap moments and everything else (think someone else appropriately used the word chaos) is rough. Especially as an OS nice to hear healing stream is a player.
Been running HST in raids, with/ healing surge instead of CH, and it feels good. M+ still sticking with CB for burst healing. Both feel good, M prog raid, and 17-22 keys.
I enjoy both styles to be honest. Cloudburst I enjoy for the fact that its skill ceiling rewards you at the higher levels. Healing stream is great to start out though or if you are feeling lazy 😂
I like Cloudburst but I wish it wouldn’t expire on its own - if you could build it up and store it for however long you wanted within a certain range then that would make Cloudburst easier for me. Nice to have competitive options and honestly, I’m lazy; healing stream totem feels worth giving a shot.
I finally pushed mt resto shaman alt up these past couple weeks, and man I love it. Way more fun than my disc/holy priest. All the utilities make m+ more enjoyable. I feel like im doing more than just giving PI and making sure people dont die.
Been maining Resto Shaman for this season. I'm having a hard time with Mana while doing +22~23s, but doing fine in raid (Heroic). Cloudburst totem user, but i'm totally tempted to try Healing Stream Totem, for the passive healing.
I’ve been trying to decide what healer to play for m+ this season, but this video has convinced me it’s Shaman Thanks as always! Please make some updated healing guides when you can!
I just got my KSM done on my shaman. I like cloudburst but, I have been really enjoying healing stream with no chain heal for M+. I can go though a key without mana issues on 17+ keys at 461 Ilvls.
I got my disc priest to 2k m+ in st and s3. I'm an altaholic leading the pug life. I chose disc priest because of its damage focus and atonement healing. It seemed to make sense for m+ play. I had my resto shaman shelved. Having gotten 3 toons to 2k and one to 2.5k, I decided to dust off the shaman. I am still gearing the shaman (only 448 ilevel at the moment). However I am reminded how much I like a healer that actually fills health bars with healing spells. And all the utility you mentioned is spot on. And I am doing plenty of damage too. Ironically better dps than my disc priest. I have been running cloud burst but I doubt I am using it correctly. I am likely to try healing stream to see how it goes. I think it would help keep dps at 50%+ hp on its own so I could focus more on interrupts and control, and then getting more flame shocks out and doing more dps. I am likely to only push to 2k on the shaman so I don't need the min/max. Thank you for the video.
CBT feels a lot better, A lot of deaths don't feel like rot deaths they feel more from back-to-back large damage events. Sadly, HST doesn't help with that much, so while CBT is a little bit more to manage, the reward of topping people off right after a large damage event is well worth the extra effort.
Cloudburst for raid(extremely predictable damage profiles and less responsibilities) and healing stream for m plus(allow more focus on utility/damage and get out good HPS)
With the arising idea of "support" specs, i really wish that the full shaman totem kit would come back. I spent a LOT of time doing all those totem quests back in the day lol. I want to hit a button and drop four totems at once depending on what we need. I really miss this kind of utility.
got used to CBT in the first season of grievous, because i had to, been using it ever since - i don't think it's too much of an issue to time it whenever you have to. If you have issues healing, it won't be because of this.
I personally am a cloudburst enjoyer in terms of gameplay. Testing healing stream totem tho i noticed that there actually is space for min maxing its use. You can plan ahead when to drop hst so that the biggest ticks synchronize with damage spikes and it makes quite a sizeable difference.
I tried living stream in m+ and i am surprised how good it is. For me it is providing way more healing then cbt. I tried in wm 20-22. They ramp in healing and you can stack 2-3 so you can stilloptimize and plan a little.
For me it depends of the content. Healing helps with consistency and if facing large bursts Cloudburst pairs better Btw the big raid buff was Bloodlust/Heroism before it was spread to other classes...
Loads of shamans are running Revitalizing Voodoo Totem and now with the buffs to shaman and the talents swirling current + Living stream essentially give you 3 of these trinkets.
Ele has the best tier set for a while. Enh is still really good if you like to hit 58 buttons per second. Resto just cannot compete with them imo. I swapped to Ele and having a(n elemental) blast.
I don't do high keys, mostly around 20's. I'm running healing stream at the moment mostly just because the value you get out of cloudburst is pretty low in my opinion unless there is going to be alot of consistent damage. Usually I just wind up with a cloudburst that really isn't that charged anyway. Healing stream helps create more time for dps, and resto can blast if you have time to do a rotation. I feel like maybe reducing the duration of cloudburst and increasing the healing it does would make it more impactful to use.
Always loved cloudburst, But i am running healing stream now because of the buff. I feel the Numbers is around the same to be honest. Provides around 15% of my healing in High Keys
Hi do you have a guide or tips for resto shaman S3? Regarding the rotation, the new stat weight (how much haste should i have?) and any weak aura you recommand
In my experience cloudburst totem is fun in raids but at the same time for my skill level it's almost unplayable in m+ where damage is much less reliable (at least at my noob level). I'm hoping that going forwards cloudburst totem will remain top choice for raids but healing stream is competitive enough to be a valid choice for m+.
Have played with Cloudburst for forever, really love the gameplay style. Just very recently switched to a Healing Stream and Healing Wave/Prim Wave build and man is it a lot different. I prefer Cloudburst, I think the gameplay interaction is more fun and there are few things more satisfying than timing a Cloudburst heal with big incoming damage. But the newer build feels really good too and is much simpler. Very much prefer not just spamming Chain Heal
Button bloat has become a massive problem for WoW healing recently. I find that the less I have to worry about binding, the more I can just focus on healing. HST will continue to be my preferred totem.
As far as class buff I like the idea (stolen from someone else) that our windrush totem could be talented to give spirit walkers grace to others. Casters on some of these heavy movement fights would be drooling to have that.
I only get use out of coulburst in 20 tyrranicals or progression raiding. Most of the time M+ pugs are too unpredictable and by the time I fill a cloudburst I've already healed everyone up and the dmg is over. In a raid on farm, people aren't taking that much damage and other healers are sniping each other. Majority of the time I get more value out of healing stream. What I wish restoshaman had was an external. Like if we could use our dmg reduction totem, or a tank external. There are a lot of DKs or DHs that are still figuring things out and I just can't help them when they're dying.
I prefer healing stream totem. That being said I use cloud burst because it usually is better in terms of HPS. Once you learn the fights cloud burst is much better
For me beeing able to play with healing stream totem that is definitly easier than cloudburst is a great thing. Idk maybe im just getting old and became bad at the game but in DF healing is kinda overwhelming for me despite maning heal for past 10 years. I mean the amount of diffrent buttons I have to use is too much. Like literally i have keybinds on my healbot for left click, middle click, right click, all od those with shift, all od those with ctrl and all of those with ctrl+shift, also use mouse with 2 additional buttons that I use for mouseovers like healing rain or essfloresence and Im still not having enough keybinds to actually make use of all the spells that are meta so i just spec into as many passives as possible. So having to also think of minmaxing cloudburst is more annoying than rewarding for me.
how does HST targeting actually works ? does it go to the lowest target or the one with a debuff or who exactly ? that would make a huge difference on heal absorbs (ToT) or bleedings (WM, DT..) and so on
I am actually really liking healing stream/riptide build and I been doing 20 keys pretty easily. This being said I think rip tide/chain heal/ healing stream is better for raid. I just love playing shaman and I have been maining it 10.2 because no one plays it and love surprising groups with the heals. I have a 470 disc and its hard to pug high keys with randos.
Many people are surprised of the value of RShaman. Especially on interrupts and stuns. That is a LOT of damage prevented. Unfortunately, the problem with RShaman is that people copy the DPS centric talents of the top 0.1% and cant pass the basic healer checks. Never mind interrupts and such. Icy-Veins should post a talent build with out Stormkeepr and Lava Surge for new people. So they can focus on HPS and Interrupts, which is the main value of RShaman in lower keys. Not DPS. As for HST vs CBT: I am progressing through 25s in M+ and I tried Healing Stream. Its not worth it. No matter how much they buff it. So, HS totem heals 1 person when we have 3 powerful ST spot heals. However, we only have 1 AoE heal (Chain Heal) that needs to be casted. And because of that, we need a tool to heal the party FAST. Simply HS does not cut it in certain bosses in tyranical. I have been trying EB25 for example, and the last 2 bosses are significantly harder with out CB totem. I would say, impossible with out it. And there are many more instances of burst AoE that needs to be dealt. And honestly, if Blizz wants HS totem to be used they have to stop buffing it. What they need to do is change the talent Living Stream. It needs to REDUCE the healing by 10% every time it heals. If they do that, then HS would be useful.
I've been maining shaman for a long time and have always been good in these weekly to mid range high keys..i love CBT but since buff I've been playing with HST and numbers aren't too different..actually for the effort you need to time CBT it is much better to play with HST.. HST + HTT in m+ tops the group from 20% to 100% in a few seconds
From a purely m+ perspective, I feel like cbt vs hst is sort of a fake argument. Last season we had a pretty set timer of damage taken off 15 or 30 seconds depending on the boss and usually if it was 30 it was big up front with a big dot. This season I feel like a lot of big damage we face is easy to heal through, it’s just hard to live the initial hit. I think HST helps more with unexpected trash damage but the issue still remains living damage for resto shaman. The huge s2 synergy of tier, pwave, cbt is mostly gone now so I think it makes more sense to get on board with a less cd oriented healing style like rdruid, which has 2 1 min healing cds and we can see how well they’re doing in high end keys. I still think CBT is good and has its own use, but I think making it more valuable than hst is more work then most players are capable of doing in an M+ setting
I've always preferred HST over CBT, I've played with both extensively but more often than not when using CBT it is either a wasted cast that gets no value, or I am too busy healing to remember to pop it at an optimal time leading to massive overhealing. I've tested both right at the start of season 3 (before the two buffs to HST) and even then I was netting more healing overall with it. Now it's just god tier and the biggest benefit of taking HST is it frees up globals to DPS. I've been playing a passive/hot build and it's so so good (BgQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIpJRSCJolElESJpIpEEUioEBi0kASiSSScgEA), I feel like a bursty Resto Druid.
For m+ I rather have cloudburst, the burst dmg incoming from keys can get pretty insane and I rather have more control through cloudburst. For raid though... I would prefer healing stream. If I was a higher CE guild I would want cloudburst since the overhealing isn't as much, but right now when so much overhealing I just don't feel I get as good of a ramp with cloudburst unless I just mindlessly spam overhealing chain heals and I rather dps than spam. So harder content: cloudburst. Raid not super progressed: HS
Haven't tried HST and I must admit not pressing CBT will be awkward. I've decided not to main rshaman this expansion/season, and it felt at times I was a bit mana starved in 20's (still below 460 ilvl). I would say that rshamans deserve vesper back with the CBT gameplay sort of gone! I totally agree with you that an average rshaman is a better option for weeklies than disc priests on the same level. The sheer amount of disc priests using PI randomly on pull in weeklies is disheartening.
I think it's not nearly as simple as CBT or HST. They are both tools and both have value in different situations I like CBT in slots where there is continuous damage and you don't waste the CBT. For heroic (and definitely normal) raids I waste so many cbts because either I'm not filling them or I fill them and then there is nothing to heal. Part of that is my lack of skill TBH but still. Same for for m+ in low to mid keys (under 21) I drop a cbt and by the time it is full the pull is almost over and there is nothing to heal. In addition HST allows for more dps time since it will take care of minor dmg if you are in a pig and you want to keep everyone topped off to minimize risk of stupid deaths. CBT comes into its own in mythic raids and higher keys IMO, especially on tyrannical. There is enough damage to be healed that even if you mis-time the CBT you will not be overhealing as much. And if you're skilled, it becomes a mini CD every 30 sec. And the nicest part of CBT is it does allow for burst heals when dealing with painful affiexes and boss abilities
I personally only play M+ and I enjoy CBT due to the burst healing when we move from pack to pack (it heals the party to full, always ready for the next pack). As for the Tier Set, it feels mostly like a bad joke for M+ but then again, all tier sets thus far have been underwhelming.
I would like CBT if it would be 8seconds and use 40% of the healing done. The 15s build up feels ankward af. If there is nothing to heal and you just need to prepare for big bump, you are just overhealing for long as time
Turned it off when you started talking about healing stream m8. Is shamans are forced into cloudburst because we lack emergency heals like revival, divine toll+daybreak. Healing surge was the only buff we got in the patch.
had resto shaman as main now for 4 raids, cloudburst isnt that much harder than stream to use. It also eats into your other cooldowns. Been running a max passive healing build for m+ for ages. lets you focus on triage healing and dps more.
Well no it's not "hard" to use but there's a big difference to "oh damage is coming in 16 sec better drop cbt now" or "damage is about to end better pop my cbt" compared to "press hst on cd".
Was tossing around RSham and Rdruid fot my main alt. Rsham riptide build with HST and 4 set feels like it moves health bars more than Rdruid does with significalty less globals.
Personally I love the Healing Stream totem. Always felt I was either overhealing (I don't mythic Raid) thus not getting value, or messing it up. Slow and steady, and less likely to be sniped.
I don’t think CB is that complicated. Takes a little preplanning but no more than most healers. HST takes away the only interesting thing that shaman does.
I enjoy passive things more than active things. I already have enough on my plate with other things, so when I lesson the amount of stuff on my plate so I can be in the moment n stuff n pay attention to my raiding I enjoy that more. I don't mind skill ceilings or floors, I just enjoy procs and passives more than actual gameplay stuff. I also hate CDs so as much as I can avoid as many CDs as possible, I will. I think all of them, both damage and healing, have way too much power in this and other games and honestly they should all be trimmed down and then the power should be put back in the favor of regular output outside of CDs. Not saying making them wet noodles but right now it's like 60% of every class/spec's power comes from CDs and I think that should be nerfed by 50% to make it so 30% of their actual power comes from CDs and then the other 70% would be in their sustained. That or make CDs much weaker but in exchange make them available way more often, either case. Instead of 3 minute CDs nerf them by 60-70% but give them 1 minute CDs. HST gameplay is a lot more fun than CBT.
Which gameplay is more *fun* for you: HST or CBT? 🤔
HST, CBT is very complicated
@@sibin007completely agree although CBT is better throughput, I prefer drop and forget HST playstyle
Option C: Vesper totem
HST, even though ive been doing 25-26s, it just feels great now with dropping 2 HST and feeling like healing tide
Healing stream. Cloud burst to me always felt weird to have to press a skill and load it up. I prefer to heal when I press a skill. I've never been a high key pusher or mythic raider so feel like could burst never really had a chance to shine for me or add value.
I'm glad you posted about this - I've always just followed build guides that show that Cloudburst has max HPS and just dealt with it. But, I decided to try Healing Stream and...less HPS be damned, it's just SO much simpler. I get the perspective of high-skill ceiling and satisfying ramping but I find it a lot more fun to just drop HS and then dps/deal w/ affix etc.
You’re my go to for all healers thanks for this. Been playing resto shaman since BC
A class buff could be elemental harmony, giving a different buff per class type. Tanks get dmg red (earth), dps get primary stat buff (fire), healers get additional mana regen (water). I think that sounds pretty cool
That's perfect
Haven't played resto shaman since SL S3, but its good to see them doing well. Mad is absolutely correct about the meta perception. I've been maining aug with my push group but also playing a fair bit as preservation...and just like resto shaman, prevoker is way better than its subcreation meta c tier ranking. Pres can handle weekly 20-22's no problem and I've healed a couple 26-27's easily enough as well. Anyway, nice video, I would love to see a video about pres.
How do you deal with single target healing as preservation evoker? i find that evokers has too slow casts and people die while im charging healing breaths or just casting living flames...
I swapped to disc priest off of my beloved Rsham at my push group's request. Can't wait to get back on the shaman! You've restored my confidence! RIP PI
I find that every spec of the shaman should provide the buff of wind fury totem
They can in the class tree it’s just out of the way lol😊
@@sethcasavant9572 windfury totem is only in the enhancement spec tree.
But then there would be 0 chance of enhance making it to raids :)
@@Dust2n I’m thinking of flurry lol sorry
They should make it into an aura for all shamans tbh
I am only 5/9 mythic right now as a resto shaman, and I am finding out that healing stream totem is quite competitive in raid compared to cloudburst. Pretty surprising. Healing stream makes keys more afk-ish as far as healing goes, so I can just spend more time dpsing.
In pure Hps maybe but in terms of healing profile it’s not really a question
As an Rsham main, I love CBT and playing around it, however having the ability to swap to HST and have it be competitive is a nice thing. Sometimes you just want to chill out and blast some keys and not think about managing CBT.
I've gotten so used to CBT, switching to HST would just feel weird. I'm going to have to give it a try to see if it heals enough to keep it, and make keys/raids easier. I think I'd probably just run it in keys though. Great content as always, I actually just got the shaman geared up a bit, might have to take it for a spin, and see how it feels.
When i started as resto shammy in shadowlands i learned using cbt lookong forward to giving both a go for the rest of this season as i gear it
I main enhance this season but am pkaying rsham as my offspec and im loving it. I have always loved shaman utility in dungeons. I feel that i havent had any issues healing 20s. Havent healed anythin higher yet but i feel like i wouldnt have any issue pushing higher.
6 year Resto shaman here. I was excited for shaman during the start of DF. Then I realized the talents trees took more away from the class then they appear to provide. The utility of shaman is the reason I love the class. I’m not sure if they were trying to cure button bloat or reduce utility. I’m still sour about the talent tree’s of Shaman. I agree with your thoughts about Cloudburst Totem. I will say, not having to cast healing stream for a modifier is a welcomed change. Weaving 3 to 4 buttons for a top off heal got old and scripted. Reduces complexity but casting should 8/10 times feel worth casting
100% agree with that first half. The first impression was great compared to others then the class designer left and nobody took over or the person who did, literally did nothing and only made things worse. It feels like you are constantly starved for points and 1-2 more points would open the tree up so much more and all it would take would be to reduce the 2-4 point talents.
And the nerf to Wellspring that made it unplayable still stings, who kills a talent completely when it did 45% what Wild Growth did BEFORE the nerf AND has twice the cd of WG.
@@Theparadoxd7 I am still heartbroken over vesper totem not making it out of SL. It was so much fun to play. Hopefully we'll get a dev soon who understands the class and its appeals to players. At least ele is gone.
It is pretty situational if I use cbt or hst. I usually use cbt when I know there are phases where I need to pump tons of healing, for more than 10s.
For content that just requires burst healing, or only light healing, I prefere hst. Since it gives me more time to dps.
I have used CBT all the time but now after trying the HST i love it, That means that i can now focus a bit more on helping out with dps and keeping people that makes mistakes alive a bit more so thanks for this video :)
I’ve been trying both and I like the HST for M+ just because I have so much other stuff to deal with. I tried it in raid a few times since the buff and I went back to CBT for the controlled burst when I need it.
I am a medium talent player, (old and play time). I find HST is a good change for me. Specifically when I am learning new boss fights. I can focus more on mechanics and still have a passive heal going. Once I have mechanics locked in, I tend to go back to CBT because I enjoy building the burst.
When shamans mana pool is good i like cloudburst totem, now without rashok trinket for example I like healing stream more
i'm Ele though i've resto'ed before. I watched the video cause I am thinking on picking it up as OS for raid. I used to like CB in raid... you know the damage points, movement points...managing isn't horrible, and it is engaging and super rewarding when you have a great burst. For keys... oof that level of micro management on top soo many ocrap moments and everything else (think someone else appropriately used the word chaos) is rough. Especially as an OS nice to hear healing stream is a player.
CBT is life. Love setting juicy ones up for big inc dmg.
Been running HST in raids, with/ healing surge instead of CH, and it feels good. M+ still sticking with CB for burst healing. Both feel good, M prog raid, and 17-22 keys.
im enjoying resto shaman chain heal build, most fun ive had playing healers so far.
I started with CBT in previous xpacs. I am trying HST now.
I enjoy both styles to be honest. Cloudburst I enjoy for the fact that its skill ceiling rewards you at the higher levels. Healing stream is great to start out though or if you are feeling lazy 😂
I like Cloudburst but I wish it wouldn’t expire on its own - if you could build it up and store it for however long you wanted within a certain range then that would make Cloudburst easier for me.
Nice to have competitive options and honestly, I’m lazy; healing stream totem feels worth giving a shot.
I finally pushed mt resto shaman alt up these past couple weeks, and man I love it. Way more fun than my disc/holy priest. All the utilities make m+ more enjoyable. I feel like im doing more than just giving PI and making sure people dont die.
When I was doing heroic raiding, I prefer CBT. When you learn the fight and figure out strats, it feels so good to pull off.
Been maining Resto Shaman for this season. I'm having a hard time with Mana while doing +22~23s, but doing fine in raid (Heroic). Cloudburst totem user, but i'm totally tempted to try Healing Stream Totem, for the passive healing.
I really love the class. I’ve dabbled in low keys and raid, and will probably start trying out HST
10000% HST! I hate the CBT play style and when to HST and I have having so much more fun now! Love it
I’ve been trying to decide what healer to play for m+ this season, but this video has convinced me it’s Shaman
Thanks as always! Please make some updated healing guides when you can!
I just got my KSM done on my shaman. I like cloudburst but, I have been really enjoying healing stream with no chain heal for M+. I can go though a key without mana issues on 17+ keys at 461 Ilvls.
I got my disc priest to 2k m+ in st and s3. I'm an altaholic leading the pug life. I chose disc priest because of its damage focus and atonement healing. It seemed to make sense for m+ play. I had my resto shaman shelved.
Having gotten 3 toons to 2k and one to 2.5k, I decided to dust off the shaman.
I am still gearing the shaman (only 448 ilevel at the moment). However I am reminded how much I like a healer that actually fills health bars with healing spells.
And all the utility you mentioned is spot on. And I am doing plenty of damage too. Ironically better dps than my disc priest.
I have been running cloud burst but I doubt I am using it correctly. I am likely to try healing stream to see how it goes.
I think it would help keep dps at 50%+ hp on its own so I could focus more on interrupts and control, and then getting more flame shocks out and doing more dps.
I am likely to only push to 2k on the shaman so I don't need the min/max.
Thank you for the video.
CBT feels a lot better, A lot of deaths don't feel like rot deaths they feel more from back-to-back large damage events. Sadly, HST doesn't help with that much, so while CBT is a little bit more to manage, the reward of topping people off right after a large damage event is well worth the extra effort.
Cloudburst for raid(extremely predictable damage profiles and less responsibilities) and healing stream for m plus(allow more focus on utility/damage and get out good HPS)
As i only pug, its already chaos and complex so il rather have it simpler with healing stream than cloudburst.
With the arising idea of "support" specs, i really wish that the full shaman totem kit would come back. I spent a LOT of time doing all those totem quests back in the day lol.
I want to hit a button and drop four totems at once depending on what we need.
I really miss this kind of utility.
got used to CBT in the first season of grievous, because i had to, been using it ever since - i don't think it's too much of an issue to time it whenever you have to. If you have issues healing, it won't be because of this.
I have always preferred HST. I’m glad it got buffed as I hate that previously CBT was viewed as mandatory.
I personally am a cloudburst enjoyer in terms of gameplay.
Testing healing stream totem tho i noticed that there actually is space for min maxing its use. You can plan ahead when to drop hst so that the biggest ticks synchronize with damage spikes and it makes quite a sizeable difference.
It's still fire and forget with very little room for min-maxing.
I tried living stream in m+ and i am surprised how good it is. For me it is providing way more healing then cbt. I tried in wm 20-22. They ramp in healing and you can stack 2-3 so you can stilloptimize and plan a little.
For me it depends of the content. Healing helps with consistency and if facing large bursts Cloudburst pairs better
Btw the big raid buff was Bloodlust/Heroism before it was spread to other classes...
Loads of shamans are running Revitalizing Voodoo Totem and now with the buffs to shaman and the talents swirling current + Living stream essentially give you 3 of these trinkets.
Ele has the best tier set for a while. Enh is still really good if you like to hit 58 buttons per second. Resto just cannot compete with them imo. I swapped to Ele and having a(n elemental) blast.
I don't do high keys, mostly around 20's. I'm running healing stream at the moment mostly just because the value you get out of cloudburst is pretty low in my opinion unless there is going to be alot of consistent damage. Usually I just wind up with a cloudburst that really isn't that charged anyway. Healing stream helps create more time for dps, and resto can blast if you have time to do a rotation. I feel like maybe reducing the duration of cloudburst and increasing the healing it does would make it more impactful to use.
Always loved cloudburst, But i am running healing stream now because of the buff. I feel the Numbers is around the same to be honest. Provides around 15% of my healing in High Keys
What are the bubble weak aura's? Great video!
Hi do you have a guide or tips for resto shaman S3? Regarding the rotation, the new stat weight (how much haste should i have?) and any weak aura you recommand
I like HST for M+ and CBT for raid, always have.
In my experience cloudburst totem is fun in raids but at the same time for my skill level it's almost unplayable in m+ where damage is much less reliable (at least at my noob level). I'm hoping that going forwards cloudburst totem will remain top choice for raids but healing stream is competitive enough to be a valid choice for m+.
Have played with Cloudburst for forever, really love the gameplay style. Just very recently switched to a Healing Stream and Healing Wave/Prim Wave build and man is it a lot different. I prefer Cloudburst, I think the gameplay interaction is more fun and there are few things more satisfying than timing a Cloudburst heal with big incoming damage. But the newer build feels really good too and is much simpler. Very much prefer not just spamming Chain Heal
Button bloat has become a massive problem for WoW healing recently. I find that the less I have to worry about binding, the more I can just focus on healing. HST will continue to be my preferred totem.
As far as class buff I like the idea (stolen from someone else) that our windrush totem could be talented to give spirit walkers grace to others. Casters on some of these heavy movement fights would be drooling to have that.
I only get use out of coulburst in 20 tyrranicals or progression raiding. Most of the time M+ pugs are too unpredictable and by the time I fill a cloudburst I've already healed everyone up and the dmg is over. In a raid on farm, people aren't taking that much damage and other healers are sniping each other. Majority of the time I get more value out of healing stream.
What I wish restoshaman had was an external. Like if we could use our dmg reduction totem, or a tank external. There are a lot of DKs or DHs that are still figuring things out and I just can't help them when they're dying.
I prefer healing stream totem. That being said I use cloud burst because it usually is better in terms of HPS. Once you learn the fights cloud burst is much better
For me beeing able to play with healing stream totem that is definitly easier than cloudburst is a great thing. Idk maybe im just getting old and became bad at the game but in DF healing is kinda overwhelming for me despite maning heal for past 10 years. I mean the amount of diffrent buttons I have to use is too much. Like literally i have keybinds on my healbot for left click, middle click, right click, all od those with shift, all od those with ctrl and all of those with ctrl+shift, also use mouse with 2 additional buttons that I use for mouseovers like healing rain or essfloresence and Im still not having enough keybinds to actually make use of all the spells that are meta so i just spec into as many passives as possible. So having to also think of minmaxing cloudburst is more annoying than rewarding for me.
After watching I’m deciding to biscuit boost a shaman but then today I find out I can’t unlock Kirin’Tor cos the quest is bugged. 😭
best healer guides out there
been playing rsham because i love it, I like cloudburst but hs is nice to use when you're not on the top of your game lol
i also feel haste is underrated, i like to have atleast 22-25%
I love new HST play style 😊
how does HST targeting actually works ? does it go to the lowest target or the one with a debuff or who exactly ? that would make a huge difference on heal absorbs (ToT) or bleedings (WM, DT..) and so on
I am actually really liking healing stream/riptide build and I been doing 20 keys pretty easily. This being said I think rip tide/chain heal/ healing stream is better for raid. I just love playing shaman and I have been maining it 10.2 because no one plays it and love surprising groups with the heals. I have a 470 disc and its hard to pug high keys with randos.
As a casual noob i decided to play resto shaman after this video. I only aim +15 and Shammy looks fine for this. Also easy to play.
Many people are surprised of the value of RShaman. Especially on interrupts and stuns. That is a LOT of damage prevented.
Unfortunately, the problem with RShaman is that people copy the DPS centric talents of the top 0.1% and cant pass the basic healer checks. Never mind interrupts and such.
Icy-Veins should post a talent build with out Stormkeepr and Lava Surge for new people. So they can focus on HPS and Interrupts, which is the main value of RShaman in lower keys. Not DPS.
As for HST vs CBT:
I am progressing through 25s in M+ and I tried Healing Stream. Its not worth it. No matter how much they buff it.
So, HS totem heals 1 person when we have 3 powerful ST spot heals. However, we only have 1 AoE heal (Chain Heal) that needs to be casted. And because of that, we need a tool to heal the party FAST.
Simply HS does not cut it in certain bosses in tyranical. I have been trying EB25 for example, and the last 2 bosses are significantly harder with out CB totem. I would say, impossible with out it. And there are many more instances of burst AoE that needs to be dealt.
And honestly, if Blizz wants HS totem to be used they have to stop buffing it. What they need to do is change the talent Living Stream. It needs to REDUCE the healing by 10% every time it heals. If they do that, then HS would be useful.
I've been maining shaman for a long time and have always been good in these weekly to mid range high keys..i love CBT but since buff I've been playing with HST and numbers aren't too different..actually for the effort you need to time CBT it is much better to play with HST.. HST + HTT in m+ tops the group from 20% to 100% in a few seconds
From a purely m+ perspective, I feel like cbt vs hst is sort of a fake argument. Last season we had a pretty set timer of damage taken off 15 or 30 seconds depending on the boss and usually if it was 30 it was big up front with a big dot. This season I feel like a lot of big damage we face is easy to heal through, it’s just hard to live the initial hit. I think HST helps more with unexpected trash damage but the issue still remains living damage for resto shaman.
The huge s2 synergy of tier, pwave, cbt is mostly gone now so I think it makes more sense to get on board with a less cd oriented healing style like rdruid, which has 2 1 min healing cds and we can see how well they’re doing in high end keys.
I still think CBT is good and has its own use, but I think making it more valuable than hst is more work then most players are capable of doing in an M+ setting
I've always preferred HST over CBT, I've played with both extensively but more often than not when using CBT it is either a wasted cast that gets no value, or I am too busy healing to remember to pop it at an optimal time leading to massive overhealing. I've tested both right at the start of season 3 (before the two buffs to HST) and even then I was netting more healing overall with it. Now it's just god tier and the biggest benefit of taking HST is it frees up globals to DPS. I've been playing a passive/hot build and it's so so good (BgQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIpJRSCJolElESJpIpEEUioEBi0kASiSSScgEA), I feel like a bursty Resto Druid.
For m+ I rather have cloudburst, the burst dmg incoming from keys can get pretty insane and I rather have more control through cloudburst. For raid though... I would prefer healing stream. If I was a higher CE guild I would want cloudburst since the overhealing isn't as much, but right now when so much overhealing I just don't feel I get as good of a ramp with cloudburst unless I just mindlessly spam overhealing chain heals and I rather dps than spam. So harder content: cloudburst. Raid not super progressed: HS
Haven't tried HST and I must admit not pressing CBT will be awkward. I've decided not to main rshaman this expansion/season, and it felt at times I was a bit mana starved in 20's (still below 460 ilvl). I would say that rshamans deserve vesper back with the CBT gameplay sort of gone!
I totally agree with you that an average rshaman is a better option for weeklies than disc priests on the same level. The sheer amount of disc priests using PI randomly on pull in weeklies is disheartening.
I think it's not nearly as simple as CBT or HST.
They are both tools and both have value in different situations
I like CBT in slots where there is continuous damage and you don't waste the CBT. For heroic (and definitely normal) raids I waste so many cbts because either I'm not filling them or I fill them and then there is nothing to heal. Part of that is my lack of skill TBH but still.
Same for for m+ in low to mid keys (under 21) I drop a cbt and by the time it is full the pull is almost over and there is nothing to heal. In addition HST allows for more dps time since it will take care of minor dmg if you are in a pig and you want to keep everyone topped off to minimize risk of stupid deaths.
CBT comes into its own in mythic raids and higher keys IMO, especially on tyrannical. There is enough damage to be healed that even if you mis-time the CBT you will not be overhealing as much. And if you're skilled, it becomes a mini CD every 30 sec. And the nicest part of CBT is it does allow for burst heals when dealing with painful affiexes and boss abilities
Ive done +20 on every dungeon with HST pre-nerf! It is possible!
I personally only play M+ and I enjoy CBT due to the burst healing when we move from pack to pack (it heals the party to full, always ready for the next pack).
As for the Tier Set, it feels mostly like a bad joke for M+ but then again, all tier sets thus far have been underwhelming.
I would like CBT if it would be 8seconds and use 40% of the healing done. The 15s build up feels ankward af. If there is nothing to heal and you just need to prepare for big bump, you are just overhealing for long as time
What the hell happened to mama tide totem? Did they remove it?
Turned it off when you started talking about healing stream m8. Is shamans are forced into cloudburst because we lack emergency heals like revival, divine toll+daybreak. Healing surge was the only buff we got in the patch.
Gimme that simple, passive interaction all day !
I think the fact that your torn between the two is a win for blizzard... For me, I like having a no brainer playstyle every once in awhile.
CB is my favorite!
Stream all the way baby
had resto shaman as main now for 4 raids, cloudburst isnt that much harder than stream to use. It also eats into your other cooldowns. Been running a max passive healing build for m+ for ages. lets you focus on triage healing and dps more.
Well no it's not "hard" to use but there's a big difference to "oh damage is coming in 16 sec better drop cbt now" or "damage is about to end better pop my cbt" compared to "press hst on cd".
Healing stream feels good on rot fights like nymue
Healing Stream Totem enjoyer over here. I also don't even spec into Healing Wave xD
I enjoy Cloudburst Totem play. I get bored with simplistic play and like the mini-games of complex classes.
I really like HST myself.
I didn’t think HST was that good. I’m switching to it. Cloudburst totem can be pretty annoying sometimes. 😅
I knew people would stop the hate one day. RShammy has been good for a really long time.
Was tossing around RSham and Rdruid fot my main alt.
Rsham riptide build with HST and 4 set feels like it moves health bars more than Rdruid does with significalty less globals.
Druid is a preemptive healer. If you are set up druid is def better for m+
Cloudburst totem!
Now I wanna level a shaman....mad stop this >.< xD
Personally I love the Healing Stream totem. Always felt I was either overhealing (I don't mythic Raid) thus not getting value, or messing it up. Slow and steady, and less likely to be sniped.
I don’t think CB is that complicated. Takes a little preplanning but no more than most healers. HST takes away the only interesting thing that shaman does.
I enjoy passive things more than active things. I already have enough on my plate with other things, so when I lesson the amount of stuff on my plate so I can be in the moment n stuff n pay attention to my raiding I enjoy that more. I don't mind skill ceilings or floors, I just enjoy procs and passives more than actual gameplay stuff. I also hate CDs so as much as I can avoid as many CDs as possible, I will. I think all of them, both damage and healing, have way too much power in this and other games and honestly they should all be trimmed down and then the power should be put back in the favor of regular output outside of CDs. Not saying making them wet noodles but right now it's like 60% of every class/spec's power comes from CDs and I think that should be nerfed by 50% to make it so 30% of their actual power comes from CDs and then the other 70% would be in their sustained. That or make CDs much weaker but in exchange make them available way more often, either case. Instead of 3 minute CDs nerf them by 60-70% but give them 1 minute CDs. HST gameplay is a lot more fun than CBT.
Cloudburst is mandatory for high keys so ye cloudburst enjoyer :)
at 450 ilvl with 4 set on my resto shm i sim 40% less hps than with 2set plus 2set
Since endgame ilvl is 480+ I dont see point in simming at 450 when everything is an upgrade.
@@Cmelacicek I have 447 gear in my bags from last tier, 2 set from that is better than normal/lfr 4 set. shows how bad the new tier is
Stream totem for sure
Cloutburst is my one true love
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3K rio as Rsham and every season a grear decision to play it you had so much utility ❤
I picked shaman over druid as Druid is extremely boring to me. Shaman is still very fun!
Couldburst totem is probably very useless in M+ but for raid it’s still valuable
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