Nice video! i see you could finally come around it. What i like the most about your channel is that here you can find answers unique on the internet. Very nice angle to tackle your content, keep it up!
My first Voltron was Wyleth, Soul of steel which ended up becoming an Akiri, Fearless Voyager Equipment deck. My second Voltron was Light-Paws, Emporer's Voice until I finally got tired of tutoring and shuffling twice sometimes 4 times a turn. Her cards got repurposed into Eriette of the Charmed Apple. My third and only remaining Voltron is Thrun, Breaker of Silence. He solves Voltron's second biggest problem which is it's fragility. At some point I soltted in worldslayer, grafted exoskeleton, and a whole other host of cards but took them out recently to focus more on increasing his power. You can give him as much evasion as you want but if he isn't one to two shotting players then your opponents have more time to find answers. The best removal is player removal.
I like Garza Zol, Plague Queen as voltron commander. Her high casting cost and combat damage requirement keeps her from competitive play, but she's fine for a semi-competive build
I have a Traxos, Scourge of Kroog voltron deck. While not being cedh viable, I’ve taken out numerous 4-man pods simply by casting my commander on turns 1-2 and dumping equipment and stax pieces onto the board. Only issue with a colorless commander is the lack of card draw.
The real problem with voltron... it's card inefficiency. The card that can deal combat dmg are Animar... he is used as a combo enabler in the command zone, that's it. Other than that, it's wasting a slot to have a voltron commander. Cedh is about using the best cards for the job, and not having inefficient slots.
Thanks for your responses on that Ral idea I suggested. Are you looking at putting the new Ashiok in that Thrasios Slyas build you're testing with Citadel? Dark Ritualing into it seems like a worthy turn 1 scenario against so many decks.
The CMC is a bit too high for that deck. It would cost 3 life on ad nausea and citadel. So I don't think so. But I am going to add that planeswalker to my collection. Such a good card! It is most likely going into some of my stax decks.
Hey! I love the vid, voltron is deffinately on the weak side. Was hoping you could maybe cover some golgari combos? Outaide of the mike trike/ooze-devourer ones. The razacats vid for example was hella cool and was hoping for something similar if possible! Maybe a combo day for different color combinations
How do you feel about Glissa the Traitor? She'd mainly be used as a Golgari artifact value engine, but she also has first-strike and death touch for a voltron back up plan. Sounds pretty good to me, what do you think?
Surprised you didn't mention bruna. She doesn't require you to cast your voltron pieces, easily maintain stax, and is an okay win con in the command zone.
What do you think of Feather, the Redeemed? Together with equipment, combat tricks and cards like Zada, I think it could actually be a decent Commander with a good Voltron plan. Not to mention that Sunforger would be absolutely amazing in that deck
Ido Sherman my Feather deck has been done for a week now. So far it’s 5-1. One game i killed all three players with Commander damage when the turn before none of them had any commander damage. 1 mana for Brute Force, 1 mana for Built to Smash, 1 mana for Brute Strength and then 2 mana for Boros Charm (double strike). Had Aurelia out for 2 combat turns and then Seize the Day to kill the last player. And all the spells come back to hand at end step too. It’s so easy to kill someone with commander damage out of nowhere for 5 mana.
I think the problem with Feather is that there's no plan a or b. You have a deck built around the vultron and/or the Zada Walue train, but what happens when one of your opponents has any sort of interaction? Also, Feather isn't getting cast reliably on turn 2 (not enough t1 ramp in boros she her colors make it so Sol Ring and Mana Crypt don't intently help you cast her), so you're probably tapping out turn 3 to cast her and then you have very little chance to protect her (maybe you were a mana left over if you ramped on turn 2) until your next turn, especially if she gets counterspelled. If she gets named with Nevermore then at that point, you have a deck left with mediocre cantrips I think her power might be underrated, but if people let you untap with her, she could be hard to deal with, depending on the cards in her controller's hands
Evan Toth 100% I only have one deck for cedh, most of the time i play casual which for Feather is the perfect power level. I will say even in my casual level i normally bring her out turn 4 with a 1 mana protection spell in hand because losing her early game is just game ending. The nice thing about Feather is you have almost 20 1-2 mana instant protection spells that you get back from her ability. Weird thing but I took sol ring out, almost all my instant spells are 1 mana colored or maybe 2 mana with 1 colorless. Also Mirrorwing Dragon is a nicer version of Zada so you have 2 of that, Sunforger is a MVP and you have sooooo much exile removal. Even tho the deck isnt competitive the mana curve is so low that is gets going almost as quick.
@@wackzacko Just leave W up for God's Willing sort of effects, and that isn't super hard to do. Sol Ring effects aren't great, but all the 2 drop mana rocks get you to enough {W/R} to be able to put her out. If she gets blown up, w/e, you come back on t4 w/o the cantrip backup. Ideally your opponents are holding 3+ removal spells that hit feather AND don't have more pressing targets. Sometimes you're going to get a loss based on that. Whatever.. that's MTG. Chin up shuffle up :)
@@shaunmcisaac782 In a casual game, I'm sure she's gonna be sweet! Absolutely agree! but I don't think the power level is there for competitive. Boros doesn't have enough efficient interaction, Boros doesn't tutor especially well, and Feather asks you to play pretty bad cards (pump spells/situational spells).. I don't think strong in casual games equates to cedh viability
I have fun and enjoy playing Samut/...almost. voltron deck, try grafted exoskeleton+samut is 1hit kill or blackblade reforged, love them XP I already have a combo too =D ohh btw thxs for those hints about conqueror flail
I think that cards is super risky tp print. I don't think it works ATM. BUT!!!!! If they start printing changlings that are cEDH viable. That commander could get buusted. Imagen if aven mind sensor was a dragon for example. Or if dockside was a dragon.
Voltron is actually quite a viable strategy in cEDH. I've seen a Zurgo deck win against tier 1 commanders such as Teferi, Gitrog, Zur, Kess, etc. All those commanders you mentioned on them being "semi competitive" can be very competitive, it can beat tier 1 commanders. Even Olivia Voldaren can beat any tier 1 commander.
@@jtyree0226 They are cEDH decks, has all the cards in there that's been used like a billion times in cEDH matches such as original duals, Mana Crypt, Ancient Tomb, Moxes, etc. Yeah, there are noobs who pilot it but my point still stands.
@@ScottyKnowsMTG Then explain why so many cEDH decks run those staples? Why every cEDH deck I see are at least in the 100s if not the 1000s of dollars? Also, I did mention commanders that are in tier 1 in terms of competitiveness.
They should start by banning all 1cmc tutors and demonic too. Love competitive play but this format is becoming more and more braindead. Banning op tutors and cards like crypt would open the format up a lot more
Hi Momchil Barbolov. Not watching a video and then making claims sounds strange to me. In this video I actully explain why the problem is solved. Not with Sigarda but with other commanders. But I don't demand that you watch the video.
@@robbynoneofurbusiness3298 yes, explain how they wouldn't affect any other commander? Also, try board wiping with Gaddock Teeg out (except Deluge). Also, if you play voltron, you should already have ways to give indestructibility. You shouldn't care about getting the hatebears blown out, they are there to slow the others down and prevent them from finding/using answers. Also, dont know if you've heard of these neat cards called Teferi's protection and Heroic Intervention, friend :))))))). Also, Armageddon in Voltron is very much a good card.
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I would like to summarize it with this.
Plan A: COMBO
Plan B: Rebuild plan A or back up Combo
Plan C: Voltron
Okaun is a very good voltron commander
I mean.. does gearing up teferi with the chain veil count as voltron? lmao
That ending was a thing of beauty. Great start to the work day
Excellent thoughts on Voltron.
10/10 ending Mons haha did not see that one coming.
Nice video! i see you could finally come around it.
What i like the most about your channel is that here you can find answers unique on the internet. Very nice angle to tackle your content, keep it up!
Thank you. Glad you liked it.
My first Voltron was Wyleth, Soul of steel which ended up becoming an Akiri, Fearless Voyager Equipment deck.
My second Voltron was Light-Paws, Emporer's Voice until I finally got tired of tutoring and shuffling twice sometimes 4 times a turn. Her cards got repurposed into Eriette of the Charmed Apple.
My third and only remaining Voltron is Thrun, Breaker of Silence. He solves Voltron's second biggest problem which is it's fragility. At some point I soltted in worldslayer, grafted exoskeleton, and a whole other host of cards but took them out recently to focus more on increasing his power. You can give him as much evasion as you want but if he isn't one to two shotting players then your opponents have more time to find answers. The best removal is player removal.
I love this content. I recently moved and my new local game store has a heavy cedh meta and this channel has helped me tremendously
Glad to here. Thats the reason I started this channel.
I like Garza Zol, Plague Queen as voltron commander. Her high casting cost and combat damage requirement keeps her from competitive play, but she's fine for a semi-competive build
Nice new mic set up! Voltron is actually my favorite strategy even though it’s pretty fragile.
The ending memes HAHA
Loved the video. A nice look at this plan C/D :P
I have a Traxos, Scourge of Kroog voltron deck. While not being cedh viable, I’ve taken out numerous 4-man pods simply by casting my commander on turns 1-2 and dumping equipment and stax pieces onto the board. Only issue with a colorless commander is the lack of card draw.
Cool ending mons I enjoy every bit of your content
The real problem with voltron... it's card inefficiency. The card that can deal combat dmg are Animar... he is used as a combo enabler in the command zone, that's it. Other than that, it's wasting a slot to have a voltron commander. Cedh is about using the best cards for the job, and not having inefficient slots.
Well said!
Ishai sundelly became an actually good cedh Commander after all
As always, great coverage on the archetype. I use food chain reyhan as my partner commander that turns into accedental voltron
It really dose. Kraum is a fighter too, kinda.
cEDH never seases to amaze me. Really wish my favorite commander (Marath) would be competitive. That ending was the best!
I thought marath had several infinite combos
@@billable1861 the problems is that without access to blue, the decks's weak to the faster decks. It is a strong deck but not quite competitive
paode queijo I see thanks for the input
Thanks for your responses on that Ral idea I suggested. Are you looking at putting the new Ashiok in that Thrasios Slyas build you're testing with Citadel? Dark Ritualing into it seems like a worthy turn 1 scenario against so many decks.
The CMC is a bit too high for that deck. It would cost 3 life on ad nausea and citadel. So I don't think so. But I am going to add that planeswalker to my collection. Such a good card! It is most likely going into some of my stax decks.
@@cedhtv oh yeah actually. What about Tasigur then? Dark Ritual, Ashiok, minus on yourself and have a guarantee for T2 Tasigur. Sounds good.
Hey! I love the vid, voltron is deffinately on the weak side. Was hoping you could maybe cover some golgari combos? Outaide of the mike trike/ooze-devourer ones. The razacats vid for example was hella cool and was hoping for something similar if possible! Maybe a combo day for different color combinations
How do you feel about Glissa the Traitor? She'd mainly be used as a Golgari artifact value engine, but she also has first-strike and death touch for a voltron back up plan. Sounds pretty good to me, what do you think?
Her card draw isn't that good to be honest. Sure she has a Voltron concept. But her plan A is lacking.
Amazing video as always. Thanks you!
Surprised you didn't mention bruna. She doesn't require you to cast your voltron pieces, easily maintain stax, and is an okay win con in the command zone.
I built Zurgo stax. It wasn't bad.
What do you think of Feather, the Redeemed? Together with equipment, combat tricks and cards like Zada, I think it could actually be a decent Commander with a good Voltron plan.
Not to mention that Sunforger would be absolutely amazing in that deck
Ido Sherman my Feather deck has been done for a week now. So far it’s 5-1. One game i killed all three players with Commander damage when the turn before none of them had any commander damage.
1 mana for Brute Force, 1 mana for Built to Smash, 1 mana for Brute Strength and then 2 mana for Boros Charm (double strike). Had Aurelia out for 2 combat turns and then Seize the Day to kill the last player. And all the spells come back to hand at end step too.
It’s so easy to kill someone with commander damage out of nowhere for 5 mana.
I think the problem with Feather is that there's no plan a or b. You have a deck built around the vultron and/or the Zada Walue train, but what happens when one of your opponents has any sort of interaction? Also, Feather isn't getting cast reliably on turn 2 (not enough t1 ramp in boros she her colors make it so Sol Ring and Mana Crypt don't intently help you cast her), so you're probably tapping out turn 3 to cast her and then you have very little chance to protect her (maybe you were a mana left over if you ramped on turn 2) until your next turn, especially if she gets counterspelled.
If she gets named with Nevermore then at that point, you have a deck left with mediocre cantrips
I think her power might be underrated, but if people let you untap with her, she could be hard to deal with, depending on the cards in her controller's hands
Evan Toth 100%
I only have one deck for cedh, most of the time i play casual which for Feather is the perfect power level.
I will say even in my casual level i normally bring her out turn 4 with a 1 mana protection spell in hand because losing her early game is just game ending.
The nice thing about Feather is you have almost 20 1-2 mana instant protection spells that you get back from her ability.
Weird thing but I took sol ring out, almost all my instant spells are 1 mana colored or maybe 2 mana with 1 colorless.
Also Mirrorwing Dragon is a nicer version of Zada so you have 2 of that, Sunforger is a MVP and you have sooooo much exile removal.
Even tho the deck isnt competitive the mana curve is so low that is gets going almost as quick.
@@wackzacko Just leave W up for God's Willing sort of effects, and that isn't super hard to do. Sol Ring effects aren't great, but all the 2 drop mana rocks get you to enough {W/R} to be able to put her out. If she gets blown up, w/e, you come back on t4 w/o the cantrip backup. Ideally your opponents are holding 3+ removal spells that hit feather AND don't have more pressing targets. Sometimes you're going to get a loss based on that. Whatever.. that's MTG. Chin up shuffle up :)
@@shaunmcisaac782 In a casual game, I'm sure she's gonna be sweet! Absolutely agree!
but I don't think the power level is there for competitive. Boros doesn't have enough efficient interaction, Boros doesn't tutor especially well, and Feather asks you to play pretty bad cards (pump spells/situational spells)..
I don't think strong in casual games equates to cedh viability
"She is actually one of Thrasios many different girlfriends" holy shit just realized all Thrasios's partners are female LMAO
That merfolk wizard is a PIMP!
I have fun and enjoy playing Samut/...almost. voltron deck, try grafted exoskeleton+samut is 1hit kill or blackblade reforged, love them XP I already have a combo too =D ohh btw thxs for those hints about conqueror flail
What's your opinion on scion of the ur-dragon in competitive
I think that cards is super risky tp print. I don't think it works ATM. BUT!!!!! If they start printing changlings that are cEDH viable. That commander could get buusted. Imagen if aven mind sensor was a dragon for example. Or if dockside was a dragon.
@@cedhtv it could be done but it expensive in mana cost to make aven and dockside dragons
You're awesome dude!
That ending 👍
Isn't Godo technically Voltron?
Yeay you could includ a bunch of other equipments to get a back up voltron plan. Thats the original Godo deck.
Animar, soul of elementals 😂 well it makes sense
Lol, that epic ending
Voltron is actually quite a viable strategy in cEDH.
I've seen a Zurgo deck win against tier 1 commanders such as Teferi, Gitrog, Zur, Kess, etc.
All those commanders you mentioned on them being "semi competitive" can be very competitive, it can beat tier 1 commanders.
Even Olivia Voldaren can beat any tier 1 commander.
Username Unidentified that’s not cEDH decks being played then. Also you probably got noobs piloting them too
@@jtyree0226 They are cEDH decks, has all the cards in there that's been used like a billion times in cEDH matches such as original duals, Mana Crypt, Ancient Tomb, Moxes, etc.
Yeah, there are noobs who pilot it but my point still stands.
Mana bases have very little to do with whether a deck is cEDH or not. Money dumpster tribal doesn't make a deck competitive, it makes it expensive.
@@ScottyKnowsMTG Then explain why so many cEDH decks run those staples?
Why every cEDH deck I see are at least in the 100s if not the 1000s of dollars?
Also, I did mention commanders that are in tier 1 in terms of competitiveness.
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They should start by banning all 1cmc tutors and demonic too. Love competitive play but this format is becoming more and more braindead. Banning op tutors and cards like crypt would open the format up a lot more
Not even gonna watch this, but:
Sigarda, Host of Herons. There. Solved it. Have solved it for over two years.
And how do you not loose to Consultation Kess or FC Tari, ect?
Hi Momchil Barbolov. Not watching a video and then making claims sounds strange to me. In this video I actully explain why the problem is solved. Not with Sigarda but with other commanders.
But I don't demand that you watch the video.
Hatebears are pretty neat
@@momchilbarbolov9485 So are board wipes friend.
@@robbynoneofurbusiness3298 yes, explain how they wouldn't affect any other commander?
Also, try board wiping with Gaddock Teeg out (except Deluge). Also, if you play voltron, you should already have ways to give indestructibility. You shouldn't care about getting the hatebears blown out, they are there to slow the others down and prevent them from finding/using answers. Also, dont know if you've heard of these neat cards called Teferi's protection and Heroic Intervention, friend :))))))). Also, Armageddon in Voltron is very much a good card.