Agreed that 3 top 50 prospects is too much for Skubal... but, getting Skubal is the only trade proposal that makes a huge difference in increasing the Sox chances of being a likely WS contender. Skubal does have 55 starts, going back to 2022, where his FIPs is well under 3.00.. so he's not exactly unproven. Realistically, 2 of the big 3 prospects PLUS someone like Yorke might get it done. There are going to be just 6-8 sellers at the trade deadline and 20 buyers, so the price will be well over what is normally considered "fair." Which is why, I don't expect or even want any big trade before the deadline. Get a so-so innings eater, hope for the best, and then deal in the off-season.
Totally agree. And my greatest fear is also a ridiculous overpay. Trade deadline is overpay time anyway. Add to that that it's looking like there could be 20 buyers and 10 sellers, and the prices might be absurd. I think your best bet is a couple of rentals, pitcher who you can coach up to give many OK innings and RH fielder with big splits.
An oldie but goodie. Baddie. Some of the trades people are listing here...oh, you can tell who was around pre-2000. I could randomly pick from a hat full of Haywood Sullivan classics and top the trades people are losing their minds over nowadays.
The Sox would never have won the division in 1990 without Anderson. And the Red Sox were so bad when Bagwell was good that even he couldn’t have catapulted them into the playoffs. And…. If the Red Sox were carrying Bagwell’s salary in the late 90’s they would never have been able to nail down Pedro - or Manny, for that matter. I hate listening to people bellyache about the Bagwell trade.
@@deepdrag8131 The first part is PROBABLY true. I remember. Anderson was an experienced, competent setup man. He had a couple of key appearances down the stretch (I remember him striking out Jesse Barfield in a game vs. the Yankees in September). And yes, Bagwell was only in AA at the time. But none of that has anything to do with why the trade is so decried and ridiculed. And it has been piled on since that Lou Gorman didn't even know who Bagwell was AND was comfortable letting him go because he thought Scott Cooper was the 3B of the future (oops). If the Sox had done better than easy sweep fodder for the A's in the ALCS (even back then, just making the ALCS wasn't good enough--we'd done that 2X in the previous 4 yrs already), people would be more forgiving.
Corbin,I'm not sure if you are aware of this,,but 18 year old Franklin Arias since he has replaced Cespedes at short in the FCL,,in his last 30 games he has gone from .217 to .350 and is 43 for his last 100!! In this 30 game span he has 17 walks,12 doubles,6 homers 21 rbis, a ,517 on base percentage and 17 steals!! All out of the leadoff spot..He's been about an impossible out lately as well....I'm guessing he's due for a callup to Salem soon....He's in my top 10 without a doubt...Keep your eye on him...Anything you can dig up from your sources on him would be great!
Hey Corbin - I was just thinking about how the Sox should actually trade at least one of the big three eventually. If they think that all three of them will work out long term, we would have six long term lefties--Devers, Duran, Casas, Mayer, Anthony, and Teel, which I feel like is too many
I don't like 1 year rentals of high value. I like mid-level replacement players to fill holes. I prefer to use the trade deadline for addition by subtraction.
There’s a 0.01% chance the Red Sox sell their top tier farm players that they’ve been holding their breathe for the last few years on making the Red Sox non competetive, in a year where the front office is still pretty indifferent leading up to the deadline. If they weren’t full throttle at the beginning they won’t be in the middle 😂
Great video as always, Corbin! You will need to give up something for something. But you cannot deviate from the plan that they have obviously chose, which is to grow and replace from with in. If I were to have a vote, I’d vote the same as you. Steadfast and do not overpay for a rental. Miguel Blies, Mata, Yorke, or Blaze Jordan are the highest I would give up. Take care!
I think it’s fair to say this front office will not trade away the big three (or any trade) “just to make a splash”. Fear not! If anything, we should fear they won’t do anything at the deadline to help us down the stretch 😅 Really, any trade made should still be sound and balance short/long term interests
@@redseatradioI would be surprised if even one of the big three were traded. But even then, who’s available that would cost that much prospect capital? I doubt Seattle is making Kirby available and Crochet doesn’t quite have the track record to warrant a trade like this in terms of 2024 impact. I get it might be worth it for next year and beyond. But otherwise, the next tier down of prospects seems much more realistic to acquire any potential areas of need based on who may realistically be available
Now more than ever, I would be careful on giving too much for a pitcher in his mid to late 20s who throws 98+. It's like motorcycle riding. If you haven't yet gone down, it just means you are going down. Elbow injuries so common now with the high velo. Tommy John is right down the road. But you can always hope you get a Pedro Martinez and get 7 great years. His stature and velo scared a lot of teams away.
Dont even know if it would take a few more again look at what 2016 Sale got and I know it is the offseason and different pressures and what not but Sale was so much more accomplished and it took 3 top 15 and once top 50
You guys are all overrating Campbell. He's terrible on defense and that swing is Charlie Lau and not a thing anymore..for a reason. Ya the avg and Babip is higher but OPS lower in comparison. The defense took away the advantage with shifts and positioning in MLB once advanced stats became available to everyone.
i mean to me, the argument ends once you look at the compensation the red sox gave up for 27 y/o chris sale who was off five straight top 5 cy young finishes. we gave up our #1, #5 and #7 prospects at the time according to soxprospects. now, moncada was the #1 prospect in the country, but still. on the other hand skubal is in his first all star season, it's laughable honestly but it's driven by people likely pushing garbage just to get clicks and unfortunately it's worked.
And yet, somehow, the dodgers, with like the 54th ranked prospect and the 80th ranked prospects are considered heavy favorites to get him because their farm is “so deep” I have no idea where these perceived trade values come from but I feel like any time the dodgers make a trade they pay 60 cents on the dollar and whenever the Red Sox get mocked a trade we’re paying 250 cents on the dollar. What exactly is going on here? Are we as fans overvaluing our prospects or is baseball as a whole overvaluing the dodgers prospects? Make it make sense
I think the Red Sox have overvalued a lot of their prospects for years, but other teams do too. Sometimes, one will get injured especially when it's a pitcher and never be the same when they return. There are very few "can't miss" prospects nowadays. How many 4A players have we seen, who tear it up in AA & AAA ball and can never seem to make that jump to the majors (see Bobby Dalbec). That's why teaching them right in the minors is imperative because once they make the big leagues, they have to show they can play with the big boys. I think you'll see Teel up next year and Mayer too, although with Story & Grissom and possibly Rafaela, there seems to be no place for Mayer yet and he may be blocked unless they can somehow move Story. I think Roman being so young will get another year in the minors, probably in AAA unless someone is traded and guys like Bleis and the kid they just drafted this year, may end up being trade bait at some point in the future, unless they want to be a revolving door of new guys replacing the current ones like a Tampa or Oakland. They need young team controllable proven starting pitching, preferably a lefty or two and those won't come cheap, as everyone is looking for the same thing, so some of these young guys will probably have to be sacrificed. Then they have all these good but not great prospects like Blaze and Cespedes and Yorke. Where do they fit in?
Good point. I hated trading Mookie, but if he didn't want to be here or you weren't willing to pay him what he eventually got, I wasn't totally opposed to it. I do think they could and should have held out for a better package of players though. The minor leaguers are all gone. Vertugo was decent but he's gone too and Wong is the only one left for a top five player in baseball and thank God he's having such a good year or that trade would have been even more lopsided. Now they have to hope at least one of the pitching is prospects they got for Vertugo comes up big in the next few years (Fitts??) Rating prospects is such an inexact science.
@@MarkB.-xq3pz I don’t want to rehash the mookie deal it’s been overdone a million times. They needed to get Will Smith and verdugo and one of their starting pitching prospects back in that deal. Dumping price’s deal because it was an “albatross” is a joke you’re a big market team. He was your number 3 starter and you traded mookie because you didn’t have enough pitching, got rid of your number 3 and took no pitching back and didn’t sign any long term FA pitchers the entire time you were GM is completely fireable. I think there is a such a pressure on prospects these days to succeed the entire time they’re in the majors to raise their prospect stock. Almost every GM has said for decades that they want to see a prospect struggle for a sustained period of time and work their way out of it. It humbles the guy and makes them adjust. Baseball is a game of constant adjustments. There isn’t enough emphasis or forgiveness for a player who has struggled and got themselves out of it. Mayer and Anthony have dealt with it. Bleis is facing is now. See if he can adjust. Teel hasn’t but he’s a gym rat. We’ll see if he ever needs to. I think the pitching situation is less direct than people seem to think. Bello will be better, Kutter and Houck are known commodities, Giolito will be back next year, you need to replace Pivetta. Grabbing Fried or burnes or even jack Flaherty there would be less of an urgency to dump the farm. Would it be great to get skubal or crochet? Sure. But the competitive advantage you have right now is your hitting in the majors and hitting prospects coming up. Your pitching infrastructure is getting a lot out of guys you weren’t expecting. If they can grab a cooper Criswell type next offseason and make him a 15-20 game spot starter that’s a win. Don’t trust story to be healthy at this point. If he is great but work off of the assumption that Mayer will be the SS. I’d love story has a super utility. Would allow you platoon like crazy with no defensive drop off. That’s kind of exactly what they need at the deadline this year
I heard a suggestion of trying for Pete Alonzo. Good idea, depending on price. His OPS against LHP figures to be about 850, and probably at least 100 points over what they can expect from Smith. But the possible overpay . . . . . ?
Brady Anderson and Curt Schilling for Mike Bodicker.. I'm thinking, at this point, the Red Sox do not need a number one, what they need is a veteran guy that can still contribute at a decent level and be a mentor. Nasty Nate comes to mind, heck call Rich Hill he is probably at the house there in Massachusetts..😅
Tigers: “Hey you want my Ferrari?” Red Sox: “Sick, what you want in return?” Tigers:”All your children, your wife, and your house.” Hopefully Red Sox: “Nah, I’m good fam.”
I still feel that the smart deals for the deadline are getting Eovaldi without giving up the top 6 and landing J.Turner for nothing...Even Andrew Heaney wouldn't be bad and he won't empty the system either...Then go after a front line lefty this winter.
I wanted to ask you first of all do you think Story has a shot to be on the Red Sox post season team. It said 6 month he was injured 8 games in April 7th internal brace surgery. 6 months puts him in September.. my only question is that just recovery or being able to play at the 6 month mark?
Juan Soto was also a 22-23 year old player with a title . I don’t think we should trade any of the 3 guys. I’d trade Cambell for the fact he’s had a huge rise as of late
For a TOP lefty,Id give up Mayer and Teel plus some other guys that are not anthony,campbell,cespedes or arias. Mayer,Teel,Bleis,Fitts,Zanatello and Bryan Mata for Skubal would work for me. Wong makes losing Teel Palatable along with having johanfran garcia in the pipeline. And between campbell,cespedes and arias,the loss of mayer shouldnt leave a gaping hole at short..
hey Corbin ... the Red Sox need to be smart here and now ... if they trade Tony Armas Jr and Carl Pavano for Pedro Martinez then they are heroes .... if they trade Curt Schilling and Brady Anderson for Mike Boddicker, then they are fools (even though Mike was pretty good for us).
The Tigers aren't going to trade Skubal. That's why they had Woodward carry their water on this. Maybe they thought they could motivate the Padres into doing a lopsided trade.😅😂
Skubal is a valuable pitcher no doubt, but not for the top 3 Red Sox prospects. A good package would be one of the top 3 (not Teel), one midlevel guy who is blocked or a Rule 5 candidate, and if they press, one of the relievers like Isaiah Campbell. But beyond that, no way. I'm ok with trading an outfield prospect because they are blocked at the top level. And I always remember Dan Duquette saying that the farm system is cultivated for 2 reasons: to produce future regular players, and to trade them for current top talent.
I know they say dont fall in love with prospects but am i the only one who feels like Mayers, Anthony, Teel, Campbell, and Montgomery are off limits? With Raffy, Casas, ceddanne, and possibly Duran and those kids added we honestly might have something really special going on.
I don't think that is unreasonable. I think like I said the Sox have some really talented pieces outside those 3 that would be able to get them what they need, but at the same time you don't wanna fully close yourself off of the possibility.
I saw this on X there's no way this would happen I could see possibly parting with one of them probably Anthony but there's no way this is going to happen. Hopefully they will be able to get a front line pitcher but it's not going to be Skubal. As usual it's going to be interesting to see what happens 👍
That’s a steep offer . But gotta give something to get something. And who’s to say those prospects will blossom . It’s a toss up regardless how we slice it . I’d stand still on that particular trade tho.
Oh, I don't know---what counts as a trade proposal? I can scroll through the comments in just about any Red Sox pod and find ideas that make this look mundane and sane.
See, I'm not worried the Sox will blow their wad and overpay. Doesn't fit Breslow's profile or the way this team operates nowadays. Fans can scream and demand all sorts of things (look what some are saying the Patriots should do) but I don't think the team is going to overreact.
@@redseatradio Well, it would be weirdly interesting if they DID respond, at least in some way, to fan pressure. Since they basically haven't at all in a few years now--other than to tell us we're being unrealistic. We shall see.
LOL. Who is this, Randy Johnson? That's a Randy from Seattle-level haul. Agree--you're gonna get ONE top mid/high prospect + ~#100ish but lower level prospect or secondary player. MAX.
That is the dumbest trade I have ever seen. When in the hell has a trade involved a teams top 1, 2, and 3 prospects??? Not only that but 3 top 25 MLB prospects..........................zero chance. Not for a guy who hasn't had 1 good full season in the majors yet.
Desperation now may well cost the Red Sox a crown later...the market is poor due tothe huge numberof teamsin the mix this year. Sincewe are a yearor moreaway anyway, holdoff on trading away young talent....
Not right now he is just simply way to important to 2024 team. Trading him would COMPLETELY change the course of the season and I dont think it would be in a positive way
Would the Yankees have eventually won four World Series in five years (1996,1998,1999, 2000) had they traded away Derek Jeter, Bernie Williams, and Jorge Posada for an up and coming young starting pitcher in the early to mid 1990's ??? ...
Taking this Michigan proposal with a very large grain of salt... Not going to happen with our 'Big 3.' This is from a very 'homer' source. Let's see how the Deadline Deal season plays itself out. 😅 12:08
Its a homer proposal.. bresilow isnt that stupid..hopefully.. teel is the next ruschmann.. mebbe mayer, only bc of his propensity to get hurt.. think john valentin.. but I d be happy with ty anderson if the whole farm is what it takes for skubel.. and no ..eovaldi isnt coming back.. he already missed that train
Never happen in a million years ….they are not even going to Part with one of the big three….i think Hamilton and Wilyer are more likely to go. Or as you mentioned 2nd tier prospects
You could get a really impressive pitcher for Campbell, Hamilton and or Abreu to be honest with you like really close to top tier. Although that would totally change the shape of the big league club so I’m not sure it’s all 3 or even 2
That's fine but again put it in the context of the Chris sale deal, who had much more going for him at the time, in that case it is giving up Moncada, Devers, and Benitendi. Do you think the Sox still win a world series without Devers or Benintendi?
Idk man there are some REALLY talented players in that group of top 3 prospects, the Sox have some really valuable prospects outside of them. Like I said unless this guy or Kirby or someone in that realm is available they could get some serious additions without having to dip into them
There’s no way they do the trade with all 3 going to the Tigers. I wouldn’t mind seeing them get Zach Eflin who they almost signed a yr ago and probably could get him for less.
Thats the worst trade proposal I have ever seen . Horrible. You don't give up all of those 3 for anyone. Sounds like it comes from a very hungry for high level prospects tiger fan lol :) Tiger fans trade offer is hereby rejected sideways and on fire!!!!
If you do a deeper dive,it's not as ridiculous as you'd think for someone like Skubal..As far as scouting is concerned,Tristons plate coverage as far as both inner and outer and slightly above the middle downward is excellent and he destroys mistakes in these zones,,no doubt..And Triston will take the outside middle black and hit it 450 feet to center or even right center surprisingly..Lots of footage out there to support..He has this skillset...But there's another side though..I still can't find a video of Casas getting a hit, let alone him making contact when a ball is touching the upper black esp pitches with late upward movement..he's literally under everything..And it's shocking how often Triston is literally under a center cut fastball bullseyeing the middle of the plate..Completely under the ball..He refuses to adjust..That hole is very real..Leaves lots of guys on..The rbi numbers show it,esp for someone who hits cleanup...And even Mayer is missing a lot of pitches lately,he's not walking, and his power is down from where it should be...He's still young and needs work..Maybe we are underrating Skubal?...I get it,,we like the guys we like...I'm guilty as well...We as Sox fans get excited about our guys,,I do too...We have to be more discerning when there are real issues I feel...Casas will both help you and kill you. I'd do the deal and never look back.
Red sox need a more solid veteran 1bman. A SP, and a reliever. Casas is a trap at this point. Not coming back until August? And there's no way he provides a solid bat in the lineup. The trap is, Cora will put him out there everyday for 3 weeks and won't sit him when he goes 3 for 30.
Skubal is the only player that I might be ok send Duran away for. His value is huge and this would let us keep the big 3 entirely. I don’t think we have the depth to keep all 3 without sending Duran over. It would make me sad and I’m not for it, but that’s the player we’d have to send.
Would absolutely hate that, but I have been saying for awhile that there is a distinct possibility they make the decision to move on from Duran. I just really dont see it this season with how much he has meant to this team.
I'd do it. Left handed controllable Cy Young favorite right now. Duran is hard to give up, but sox are loaded with OF's in the minors. They are not loaded with pitching. Skubal's two sesons prior are only a concern because of innings. He is at the same age as when we got Chris Sale.
I'd rather keep Kyle Teel because a good offensive catcher is rare.
Not just no but to quote Duran "F*ck 'em"
Perfect answer my friend
Agreed that 3 top 50 prospects is too much for Skubal... but, getting Skubal is the only trade proposal that makes a huge difference in increasing the Sox chances of being a likely WS contender. Skubal does have 55 starts, going back to 2022, where his FIPs is well under 3.00.. so he's not exactly unproven. Realistically, 2 of the big 3 prospects PLUS someone like Yorke might get it done. There are going to be just 6-8 sellers at the trade deadline and 20 buyers, so the price will be well over what is normally considered "fair." Which is why, I don't expect or even want any big trade before the deadline. Get a so-so innings eater, hope for the best, and then deal in the off-season.
Totally agree. And my greatest fear is also a ridiculous overpay. Trade deadline is overpay time anyway. Add to that that it's looking like there could be 20 buyers and 10 sellers, and the prices might be absurd. I think your best bet is a couple of rentals, pitcher who you can coach up to give many OK innings and RH fielder with big splits.
Yeah its gonna be a wild market in a couple of weeks. I think you ahve to expect an overpay but this is ridiculous
Bagwell for larry anderson
An oldie but goodie. Baddie.
Some of the trades people are listing here...oh, you can tell who was around pre-2000. I could randomly pick from a hat full of Haywood Sullivan classics and top the trades people are losing their minds over nowadays.
The Astros asked for Scott Cooper, only if the Sox just gave them what they asked for..
Darren Brag for Jamie Moyer
The Sox would never have won the division in 1990 without Anderson.
And the Red Sox were so bad when Bagwell was good that even he couldn’t have catapulted them into the playoffs.
And….
If the Red Sox were carrying Bagwell’s salary in the late 90’s they would never have been able to nail down Pedro - or Manny, for that matter.
I hate listening to people bellyache about the Bagwell trade.
@@deepdrag8131 The first part is PROBABLY true. I remember. Anderson was an experienced, competent setup man. He had a couple of key appearances down the stretch (I remember him striking out Jesse Barfield in a game vs. the Yankees in September). And yes, Bagwell was only in AA at the time. But none of that has anything to do with why the trade is so decried and ridiculed. And it has been piled on since that Lou Gorman didn't even know who Bagwell was AND was comfortable letting him go because he thought Scott Cooper was the 3B of the future (oops). If the Sox had done better than easy sweep fodder for the A's in the ALCS (even back then, just making the ALCS wasn't good enough--we'd done that 2X in the previous 4 yrs already), people would be more forgiving.
That's Rich.
Sox should reach out to the Dodgers and try to get one of their young arms in the system that Bailey can work with .
Thats a very good idea.
Don’t worry, if a trade involves the Red Sox acquiring a pitcher, it’s not happening 😂
Wanna bet
@@redseatradio I’d bet twice the entire Red Sox pitchers’ payroll, which basically means I’d bet you 10 bucks and two chicken sandwiches
Sox need right handed bats and a pitcher a real pitcher . If the Yankees load up on Lefty's bye bye season we need to counter them ..
Corbin,I'm not sure if you are aware of this,,but 18 year old Franklin Arias since he has replaced Cespedes at short in the FCL,,in his last 30 games he has gone from .217 to .350 and is 43 for his last 100!! In this 30 game span he has 17 walks,12 doubles,6 homers 21 rbis, a ,517 on base percentage and 17 steals!! All out of the leadoff spot..He's been about an impossible out lately as well....I'm guessing he's due for a callup to Salem soon....He's in my top 10 without a doubt...Keep your eye on him...Anything you can dig up from your sources on him would be great!
Hey Corbin - I was just thinking about how the Sox should actually trade at least one of the big three eventually. If they think that all three of them will work out long term, we would have six long term lefties--Devers, Duran, Casas, Mayer, Anthony, and Teel, which I feel like is too many
Also, just saw Ty France was put on waivers, I think he could be a good fit with Casas out for a bit
I don't like 1 year rentals of high value. I like mid-level replacement players to fill holes. I prefer to use the trade deadline for addition by subtraction.
There’s a 0.01% chance the Red Sox sell their top tier farm players that they’ve been holding their breathe for the last few years on making the Red Sox non competetive, in a year where the front office is still pretty indifferent leading up to the deadline. If they weren’t full throttle at the beginning they won’t be in the middle 😂
Great video as always, Corbin! You will need to give up something for something. But you cannot deviate from the plan that they have obviously chose, which is to grow and replace from with in.
If I were to have a vote, I’d vote the same as you. Steadfast and do not overpay for a rental. Miguel Blies, Mata, Yorke, or Blaze Jordan are the highest I would give up. Take care!
I think it’s fair to say this front office will not trade away the big three (or any trade) “just to make a splash”. Fear not! If anything, we should fear they won’t do anything at the deadline to help us down the stretch 😅 Really, any trade made should still be sound and balance short/long term interests
Yeah true that is my ultimate fear I guess that they just simply stand pat
@@redseatradioI would be surprised if even one of the big three were traded. But even then, who’s available that would cost that much prospect capital? I doubt Seattle is making Kirby available and Crochet doesn’t quite have the track record to warrant a trade like this in terms of 2024 impact. I get it might be worth it for next year and beyond. But otherwise, the next tier down of prospects seems much more realistic to acquire any potential areas of need based on who may realistically be available
That trade proposal seems late for April 1st
Now more than ever, I would be careful on giving too much for a pitcher in his mid to late 20s who throws 98+. It's like motorcycle riding. If you haven't yet gone down, it just means you are going down. Elbow injuries so common now with the high velo. Tommy John is right down the road. But you can always hope you get a Pedro Martinez and get 7 great years. His stature and velo scared a lot of teams away.
Yeah that's rough, but I could totally see a package headlining roman and Campbell
Add a couple more top 15 prospects and you might have something there
Dont even know if it would take a few more again look at what 2016 Sale got and I know it is the offseason and different pressures and what not but Sale was so much more accomplished and it took 3 top 15 and once top 50
You guys are all overrating Campbell. He's terrible on defense and that swing is Charlie Lau and not a thing anymore..for a reason. Ya the avg and Babip is higher but OPS lower in comparison. The defense took away the advantage with shifts and positioning in MLB once advanced stats became available to everyone.
i mean to me, the argument ends once you look at the compensation the red sox gave up for 27 y/o chris sale who was off five straight top 5 cy young finishes. we gave up our #1, #5 and #7 prospects at the time according to soxprospects. now, moncada was the #1 prospect in the country, but still. on the other hand skubal is in his first all star season, it's laughable honestly but it's driven by people likely pushing garbage just to get clicks and unfortunately it's worked.
And yet, somehow, the dodgers, with like the 54th ranked prospect and the 80th ranked prospects are considered heavy favorites to get him because their farm is “so deep” I have no idea where these perceived trade values come from but I feel like any time the dodgers make a trade they pay 60 cents on the dollar and whenever the Red Sox get mocked a trade we’re paying 250 cents on the dollar. What exactly is going on here? Are we as fans overvaluing our prospects or is baseball as a whole overvaluing the dodgers prospects? Make it make sense
Yeah it’s all about perception my friend
I think the Red Sox have overvalued a lot of their prospects for years, but other teams do too. Sometimes, one will get injured especially when it's a pitcher and never be the same when they return. There are very few "can't miss" prospects nowadays. How many 4A players have we seen, who tear it up in AA & AAA ball and can never seem to make that jump to the majors (see Bobby Dalbec). That's why teaching them right in the minors is imperative because once they make the big leagues, they have to show they can play with the big boys. I think you'll see Teel up next year and Mayer too, although with Story & Grissom and possibly Rafaela, there seems to be no place for Mayer yet and he may be blocked unless they can somehow move Story. I think Roman being so young will get another year in the minors, probably in AAA unless someone is traded and guys like Bleis and the kid they just drafted this year, may end up being trade bait at some point in the future, unless they want to be a revolving door of new guys replacing the current ones like a Tampa or Oakland. They need young team controllable proven starting pitching, preferably a lefty or two and those won't come cheap, as everyone is looking for the same thing, so some of these young guys will probably have to be sacrificed. Then they have all these good but not great prospects like Blaze and Cespedes and Yorke. Where do they fit in?
Good point. I hated trading Mookie, but if he didn't want to be here or you weren't willing to pay him what he eventually got, I wasn't totally opposed to it. I do think they could and should have held out for a better package of players though. The minor leaguers are all gone. Vertugo was decent but he's gone too and Wong is the only one left for a top five player in baseball and thank God he's having such a good year or that trade would have been even more lopsided. Now they have to hope at least one of the pitching is prospects they got for Vertugo comes up big in the next few years (Fitts??) Rating prospects is such an inexact science.
@@MarkB.-xq3pz I don’t want to rehash the mookie deal it’s been overdone a million times. They needed to get Will Smith and verdugo and one of their starting pitching prospects back in that deal. Dumping price’s deal because it was an “albatross” is a joke you’re a big market team. He was your number 3 starter and you traded mookie because you didn’t have enough pitching, got rid of your number 3 and took no pitching back and didn’t sign any long term FA pitchers the entire time you were GM is completely fireable.
I think there is a such a pressure on prospects these days to succeed the entire time they’re in the majors to raise their prospect stock. Almost every GM has said for decades that they want to see a prospect struggle for a sustained period of time and work their way out of it. It humbles the guy and makes them adjust. Baseball is a game of constant adjustments. There isn’t enough emphasis or forgiveness for a player who has struggled and got themselves out of it. Mayer and Anthony have dealt with it. Bleis is facing is now. See if he can adjust. Teel hasn’t but he’s a gym rat. We’ll see if he ever needs to.
I think the pitching situation is less direct than people seem to think. Bello will be better, Kutter and Houck are known commodities, Giolito will be back next year, you need to replace Pivetta. Grabbing Fried or burnes or even jack Flaherty there would be less of an urgency to dump the farm. Would it be great to get skubal or crochet? Sure. But the competitive advantage you have right now is your hitting in the majors and hitting prospects coming up. Your pitching infrastructure is getting a lot out of guys you weren’t expecting. If they can grab a cooper Criswell type next offseason and make him a 15-20 game spot starter that’s a win.
Don’t trust story to be healthy at this point. If he is great but work off of the assumption that Mayer will be the SS. I’d love story has a super utility. Would allow you platoon like crazy with no defensive drop off. That’s kind of exactly what they need at the deadline this year
I heard a suggestion of trying for Pete Alonzo. Good idea, depending on price. His OPS against LHP figures to be about 850, and probably at least 100 points over what they can expect from Smith. But the possible overpay . . . . . ?
Brady Anderson and Curt Schilling for Mike Bodicker.. I'm thinking, at this point, the Red Sox do not need a number one, what they need is a veteran guy that can still contribute at a decent level and be a mentor. Nasty Nate comes to mind, heck call Rich Hill he is probably at the house there in Massachusetts..😅
Tigers: “Hey you want my Ferrari?”
Red Sox: “Sick, what you want in return?”
Tigers:”All your children, your wife, and your house.”
Hopefully Red Sox: “Nah, I’m good fam.”
It's Friday and Portland Sea Dogs is packed with fans. Sold out. This is gonna be fun.
I still feel that the smart deals for the deadline are getting Eovaldi without giving up the top 6 and landing J.Turner for nothing...Even Andrew Heaney wouldn't be bad and he won't empty the system either...Then go after a front line lefty this winter.
I wanted to ask you first of all do you think Story has a shot to be on the Red Sox post season team. It said 6 month he was injured 8 games in April 7th internal brace surgery. 6 months puts him in September.. my only question is that just recovery or being able to play at the 6 month mark?
The big three are all exceptional on defense.that just a crazy trade.
Juan Soto was also a 22-23 year old player with a title . I don’t think we should trade any of the 3 guys. I’d trade Cambell for the fact he’s had a huge rise as of late
For a TOP lefty,Id give up Mayer and Teel plus some other guys that are not anthony,campbell,cespedes or arias. Mayer,Teel,Bleis,Fitts,Zanatello and Bryan Mata for Skubal would work for me. Wong makes losing Teel Palatable along with having johanfran garcia in the pipeline. And between campbell,cespedes and arias,the loss of mayer shouldnt leave a gaping hole at short..
I don’t want to trade that trio at all, but is there is like to hear thoughts of people that you would like for that package
Pickup a solid pitcher from a non contender without trading any of Duran, Mayer, Anthony or Teel. Don't sell out the future for this season.
I thought this was a joke this is real😂
oh yeah a very legitimate take
They would never do this trade Corbin, don't worry buddy. If Detroit wanted 1 of them with other prospects I'm all in!!!
Nothing worse than the Babe Ruth trade
Of course but that is a legitimate trade that actually occurred
hey Corbin ... the Red Sox need to be smart here and now ... if they trade Tony Armas Jr and Carl Pavano for Pedro Martinez then they are heroes .... if they trade Curt Schilling and Brady Anderson for Mike Boddicker, then they are fools (even though Mike was pretty good for us).
yeah, that version on the trade isn’t it. I’d def give Marcelo and other pieces in this scenario. IMO the surest thing in the big 3 is Teel.
Yeah like I said if they do end up trading one of them and some other “lower” than 3 rated prospects fantastic but all 3 is crazy.
@@redseatradio we need a pitcher that strikes some fear into the competition, especially if the Sox are a wildcard team.
The Tigers aren't going to trade Skubal. That's why they had Woodward carry their water on this. Maybe they thought they could motivate the Padres into doing a lopsided trade.😅😂
Whoever did this trade proposal was on something: we could get Skubal for Abreu, Bleis and some pitchers
If it was Dombrowski, I can see a trade like that but we don’t know how Breslow is gonna handle this deadline yet.
No he wouldn't. I literally went over who Dave was willing to give up for 2016 Chris Sale who had done so much more than Skubal up to this point
Skubal is a valuable pitcher no doubt, but not for the top 3 Red Sox prospects. A good package would be one of the top 3 (not Teel), one midlevel guy who is blocked or a Rule 5 candidate, and if they press, one of the relievers like Isaiah Campbell. But beyond that, no way. I'm ok with trading an outfield prospect because they are blocked at the top level. And I always remember Dan Duquette saying that the farm system is cultivated for 2 reasons: to produce future regular players, and to trade them for current top talent.
Yeah see that would be a much more reasonable package to acquire skubal
Great analysis! This is a dumb proposal not just in money, but for future wins.
Look at the source- MI sports commentator. Thanks for your opinion. We’ll move along
My nightmare trade proposal get sale back for Grissom or trade for evoldi using Bobby dalbec highlighting the draw to triple a crowds
Wtf 😂 Skubal is Scherzer from the Nats? 😂
Find that hard to believe. Give up our top 3 prospects
Roman anthony
Bobby dalbec
Abrea
Yoshi
Would get it done 😅
I know they say dont fall in love with prospects but am i the only one who feels like Mayers, Anthony, Teel, Campbell, and Montgomery are off limits? With Raffy, Casas, ceddanne, and possibly Duran and those kids added we honestly might have something really special going on.
I don't think that is unreasonable. I think like I said the Sox have some really talented pieces outside those 3 that would be able to get them what they need, but at the same time you don't wanna fully close yourself off of the possibility.
I’d give up Mayer, Abreu, and low A/High A prospects.
Could work. I dont love the idea of getting rid of Mayer and Abreu but man would I love to have Skubal even with the injury history
I saw this on X there's no way this would happen I could see possibly parting with one of them probably Anthony but there's no way this is going to happen. Hopefully they will be able to get a front line pitcher but it's not going to be Skubal. As usual it's going to be interesting to see what happens 👍
Yeah I think they will be able to acquire a legit guy without having to deplete the farm system like this
One thing for sure, if they get someone in the trade, they’ll get injured.
Patience grasshoppers. Wait for the right deal. where we keep some of the top three prospects.
I would offer roman and cambell for sure. Nothing beyond that
That would suck, but would be much more reasonable
That’s a steep offer . But gotta give something to get something. And who’s to say those prospects will blossom . It’s a toss up regardless how we slice it . I’d stand still on that particular trade tho.
Of course you have too but you can’t give away everything like this
I love you Corbin❤
Oh, I don't know---what counts as a trade proposal? I can scroll through the comments in just about any Red Sox pod and find ideas that make this look mundane and sane.
Maybe 1 but not 3...!
See, I'm not worried the Sox will blow their wad and overpay. Doesn't fit Breslow's profile or the way this team operates nowadays. Fans can scream and demand all sorts of things (look what some are saying the Patriots should do) but I don't think the team is going to overreact.
Most likely but you never know pressures a tricky thing
@@redseatradio Well, it would be weirdly interesting if they DID respond, at least in some way, to fan pressure. Since they basically haven't at all in a few years now--other than to tell us we're being unrealistic. We shall see.
Yeah it would be extremely interesting I’m curious to see if they can do both
Ultimately who do you think they target at the deadline?
I would have to give up my 64 years of being a fan. That is not even a good thought!!!!
LOL. Who is this, Randy Johnson? That's a Randy from Seattle-level haul. Agree--you're gonna get ONE top mid/high prospect + ~#100ish but lower level prospect or secondary player. MAX.
Fortunately fans are not the ones making the trade decisions. Breslow is not going to do anything crazy.
Yeah thank god lol
That is the dumbest trade I have ever seen. When in the hell has a trade involved a teams top 1, 2, and 3 prospects??? Not only that but 3 top 25 MLB prospects..........................zero chance. Not for a guy who hasn't had 1 good full season in the majors yet.
Yep
Desperation now may well cost the Red Sox a crown later...the market is poor due tothe huge numberof teamsin the mix this year. Sincewe are a yearor moreaway anyway, holdoff on trading away young talent....
Lol.. that's a joke . I wouldn't trade top 3 position players for an arm .. especially one as violent as Skubal. He's a Tommy John waiting to happen
Seriously boys, Duran is great trade bait!
Not right now he is just simply way to important to 2024 team. Trading him would COMPLETELY change the course of the season and I dont think it would be in a positive way
@@redseatradio buy low sell high; Duran will not get higher than this with that ASG MVP as a cherry on top for both leagues to see!
Idk....Skubal for a few years.....maybe 2 of 3
For 3 top 50 prospects? Come on now, prime Chris Sale didn't get that
Would the Yankees have eventually won four World Series in five years (1996,1998,1999, 2000) had they traded away Derek Jeter, Bernie Williams, and Jorge Posada for an up and coming young starting pitcher in the early to mid 1990's ??? ...
Great question
Taking this Michigan proposal with a very large grain of salt...
Not going to happen with our 'Big 3.' This is from a very 'homer' source.
Let's see how the Deadline Deal season plays itself out. 😅 12:08
The comments on X are hilarious. People took it as a click bait.
Yeah I think it is crazier that it wasn't that was their legitimate thoughts on what they think the asking price is
Its a homer proposal.. bresilow isnt that stupid..hopefully.. teel is the next ruschmann.. mebbe mayer, only bc of his propensity to get hurt.. think john valentin.. but I d be happy with ty anderson if the whole farm is what it takes for skubel.. and no ..eovaldi isnt coming back.. he already missed that train
Only player that I would give that value for is Ohtani lol 💀 maybe
Skubal is injury prone and any trade for him is an overpay. Let the Dodgers or Yankees over pay for this injury prone pitcher....
Never happen in a million years ….they are not even going to Part with one of the big three….i think Hamilton and Wilyer are more likely to go. Or as you mentioned 2nd tier prospects
You could get a really impressive pitcher for Campbell, Hamilton and or Abreu to be honest with you like really close to top tier. Although that would totally change the shape of the big league club so I’m not sure it’s all 3 or even 2
@@redseatradio ya this is tough cause I really like all of our players…going to Chavez Ravine tonight going to be cool go Sox !
Yeah not happening
Top 3 prospect are prospect. They do not shoe nothing yet.
That's fine but again put it in the context of the Chris sale deal, who had much more going for him at the time, in that case it is giving up Moncada, Devers, and Benitendi. Do you think the Sox still win a world series without Devers or Benintendi?
Everyone say it with me….3….2…1….KYLE TEEL IS THE ONLY ONE THATS OFF LIMITS!!!!!
Idk man there are some REALLY talented players in that group of top 3 prospects, the Sox have some really valuable prospects outside of them. Like I said unless this guy or Kirby or someone in that realm is available they could get some serious additions without having to dip into them
Anthony > Teel and you have a very solid Wong right now.
There’s no way they do the trade with all 3 going to the Tigers. I wouldn’t mind seeing them get Zach Eflin who they almost signed a yr ago and probably could get him for less.
maybe one of those guys plus some Bs
much more reasonable
Thats the worst trade proposal I have ever seen . Horrible. You don't give up all of those 3 for anyone. Sounds like it comes from a very hungry for high level prospects tiger fan lol :) Tiger fans trade offer is hereby rejected sideways and on fire!!!!
How about Casas,Mayer,Bleis etc for Skubal?
Including Casas and Mayer in the same deal for anyone but a top 3 player in baseball is a RIDICULOUS deal no shot in hell,
If you do a deeper dive,it's not as ridiculous as you'd think for someone like Skubal..As far as scouting is concerned,Tristons plate coverage as far as both inner and outer and slightly above the middle downward is excellent and he destroys mistakes in these zones,,no doubt..And Triston will take the outside middle black and hit it 450 feet to center or even right center surprisingly..Lots of footage out there to support..He has this skillset...But there's another side though..I still can't find a video of Casas getting a hit, let alone him making contact when a ball is touching the upper black esp pitches with late upward movement..he's literally under everything..And it's shocking how often Triston is literally under a center cut fastball bullseyeing the middle of the plate..Completely under the ball..He refuses to adjust..That hole is very real..Leaves lots of guys on..The rbi numbers show it,esp for someone who hits cleanup...And even Mayer is missing a lot of pitches lately,he's not walking, and his power is down from where it should be...He's still young and needs work..Maybe we are underrating Skubal?...I get it,,we like the guys we like...I'm guilty as well...We as Sox fans get excited about our guys,,I do too...We have to be more discerning when there are real issues I feel...Casas will both help you and kill you. I'd do the deal and never look back.
Red sox need a more solid veteran 1bman. A SP, and a reliever.
Casas is a trap at this point.
Not coming back until August? And there's no way he provides a solid bat in the lineup. The trap is, Cora will put him out there everyday for 3 weeks and won't sit him when he goes 3 for 30.
Skubal is the only player that I might be ok send Duran away for. His value is huge and this would let us keep the big 3 entirely. I don’t think we have the depth to keep all 3 without sending Duran over. It would make me sad and I’m not for it, but that’s the player we’d have to send.
@@bara7331 why?
Would absolutely hate that, but I have been saying for awhile that there is a distinct possibility they make the decision to move on from Duran. I just really dont see it this season with how much he has meant to this team.
I'd do it. Left handed controllable Cy Young favorite right now. Duran is hard to give up, but sox are loaded with OF's in the minors. They are not loaded with pitching. Skubal's two sesons prior are only a concern because of innings. He is at the same age as when we got Chris Sale.