Why is Lebron wearing 23? because MJ is the GOAT, on the court, off it, sneaker deals, movies, documentaries anything MJ did became the blueprint to copy.
We all love MJ for his shoes. We don’t care for his selfish plays. He’s equivalent to Wilt, except wilt only won 6 rings. Remember it’s a team game, it’s not about one player so don’t get it twisted.
"off the court" WTF MJ is still dominating off the court... there's a really good reason why Jordan brand eclipses all other NBA players brands... like yo, that's off the court.
@just… That really good reason was what Mike did on the court. His accomplishments on the court made everything off the court as successful & impactful or whatever as it has been all these years. It’s the same thing with Mike’s 6-0…he’s not the Goat because he has a 6-0 record in the Finals, that ninja went 6-0 in the Finals because he’s the best and most complete player ever, the Goat.
@@davids.7845well he won MVP(which is what I think she was talking about) DPOY, as well as All defense and NBA first team as well as lead the league in scoring and steals in one season. I have never seen another person ever do that
She means scoring title. And yes jordan won the scoring title and DPOTY in the same season. He’s won multiple scoring titles, mvps, 1st team all defense in the same season. This debate isn’t really close.
@@StarryNight4024Lebron didn’t make scoring his number one priority like Jordan did…different styles of play…Lebron dished out 8AST a game to help his teammates
@Turkeycock28 Well, prior to MJ's Wizard seasons lowering some of his career avgs (assists being one of 'em), when he retired in '98 his apg avg stood at 7 a game. Which means that he was handing out 7apg to "help his teammates", while playing OFF the ball. LBJ on the other hand, avgs 7apg as the facilitator. Let that sink in for a min....
Shes right though.. if you never watched a game in your life and someone gives you lebron and michael jordon resume and ask you which one is the g.o.a.t , who do you think people are gonna pick
@@chasenickles260you can actually watch the game to make an argument for Bron. That’s why we watch the game based every component such as playmaking, ballhandling, defense, shooting, accolades and more. Even though MJ is the goat, doesn’t you can’t watch 🏀 and not make a point
Women…………. It’s a whole new ball game. You can’t sit here and tell me the game doesn’t evolve and it’s stayed the same. The reason why there is an argument is because it isn’t clear who is GOAT
Michael Jordan retired from the game for 2 years, then came back and won 3 straight. Jordan got drunk one day playing golf then scored 52 vs the Cavs that same night. LeQueen cries for respect and thinks he's a politician
@@camgrizzly Nope. If the only way to pimp up Lebron is to discuss “off court” greatness, then the debate is dead. Both are extreme capitalists. Anyone who thinks that the I Promise school is coming totally out of Lebron’s pockets, I’ve got a house on the lake to sell to you. Lebron’s family man image hasn’t been dented yet because he hasn’t been busted.
shoes or shoe sales is not off the court. i mean you can't play basketball without a pair and it's part of the game and culture 😄. being a philantrophy doesn't involve anything with basketball so that's off the court.
The Bulls were loaded, Pippen, Kukoc Rodman, Harper. The rest of the 90s teams were not great teams, the Knicks were Ewing and a bunch of role players Charlie Ward a football player was the PG.
@@CurtisMartin-ej9itThere were plenty of great teams in the 90s. Lakers, Detroit, Trailblazers, Suns, Sonics, Jazz, Houston. And the Bulls were not stacked when they won their first 3. It was Jordan, Pippen and a buncha role players. Were you even around in the 90s?
This debate will go on after I’m dead and I’m 22 it will never end sports are debatable! Can’t just say one person is good at one sport it’s all about perspective and personal opinions.
@@ImBarryScottCSSif lebron didnt have all his sneaker endorsements he wouldnt have gone to miami and taken a paycut... if michael jordan didnt do his 1 year 30 mil deal lebron wouldnt have thought to do the same in cleveland... jordan upped the value of an all time great player allowing them to dictate more of what happens on their team. Something lebron directly benefitted from
I ain’t never went to The gym and picked up players based on what they do off the court lmaoo. Be in the gym talking about is you a good dad ? Do you help out in the community. Ok bet I got u. 😂😂😂
Keep it about Basketball when it comes to GOAT convos...If the player does not have more than 6 Finals MVPs , there is no comparison. Bill Russell has 11 chips, he was not the best player on those NBA Finals runs, and there were less than 20 teams in the league.
@@QuavoGotFame 😂😂😂 4 outta 10 in the finals with superteams in 20 seasons while flopping 😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣 goats don’t flop, and all of the greats have winning records in the finals coz that’s what you play for in case you didn’t know…and by the way tell Lechoke the Joker said easy money 🤑🤑🤑 and then tell the Joker Lechoke wants his broom 🧹 back 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣 by the way Leflop is wearing number 23 this season 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
a casual female saying she didn't watch jordan play is all you need to know people forget jordan played in an expansion era and has the best team every team without him the bulls were a 55 win team with lebron the cavs was a 18 win do a lot of haters and logical fans not put context into competition and eras to say the 90s era is more skilled is like saying you don't or never watched basketball back then compared to lebron era the athletes are way better and way way more skilled not to mention guards in jordan era was 6-1 let that sink in context matters people
Two three peats with a retirement in between vs super team hopper. 3 all stars buddy up in Miami, left cavs for dead then return when love and kyrie are there. Rich Paul force trades AD to Lakers for a summer camp mickey mouse ring.
Crazy y'all say that but Bron was doing nada until he started forming super teams .. y'all talk Scottie but show me a player Bron has made great like Scottie
Bill Russell had 11 rings… Wilt Chamberlain had 100pts and a bunch of all time records. Kareem Abdul Jabbar have all time career records that’s been recently broken by Lebron… I believe in every era has their GOATs . The game is basketball changed from the defensive style/play, 3pts, rules, etc. Every GOAT played to their advantage.
She mentioned irrelevant sneaker deals and then shut down his irrelevant points about "humanitarianism" and "philanthropy"... Why can't we just stick to what happened on the court alone?
The issue is, who was the goat before lebon, before mj. So if cant even see wilt, kareem as the goat then you dont even know when the next person took over hat position so u cant even speak. Kareem all day.
so did you have to be alive in the 1700s to say George Washington is the greatest president? Your logic is idiotic, people can study history and make a determination we do it everyday
@@MeekMillisbendingoverrn Jordan would trash the Mavericks. The Warriors would be interesting considering it’s the greatest perimeter shooters of all time vs the greatest perimeter defense of all time. Against Spurs would be a win in 6.
I'm glad he said that. That's why most people say LBJ. I stopped arguing because I realized most people aren't arguing just on the court. Most people are arguing with their heart.
Name another player in the modern era that after just two championships.. they were calling him the greatest player … you don’t win back to back and people are calling you the goat unless your body of work in the previous years displayed that .. AKA his body of work in the 80s … plus yes he woke back to back.. but then to capitalize on that sht… he won the 3rd chip …
Why would they make a movie about a player after 3 championships as if he’s the greatest player to ever live … the hype was unreal.. this is all before the second 3 peat bro
You can't add what ifs to his legacy. If Kyrie aand Kevin Love ain't get hurt and KD ain't join the warriors Bron would've had a 4 peat. If Kobe and Shaq stayed together they would probably have 7 or 8 too
That’s debatable, because who on the Bulls would’ve even slowed down the Dream? Will Purdue? Bill Winington? Bill Cartwright? And I’m a life long Bulls fan, But Hakeem the Dream was a nightmare surrounded by shooters… I’m just saying. 🤷🏽♂️
@@baruchwarrior2389People often forget how well Pip did by himself those years. Hakeem definitely would’ve been a huge problem, but the Bulls would’ve still prevailed.
@@chrisnaylor013 nope. Bc he carried that bum team to the finals at 21-22 years old. Jordon couldn’t bring his teams deep into the playoffs outside of those 6 years.
@@dfwherbie8814 You get no credit for carrying your team deep in the playoffs in the GOAT convo. You're using losing stats to claim a GOAT. How does that work?
She dosent know basketball talking about offensive player of the year 😂😂😂 there wasn’t an offensive player of the year of award when Jordan was playing 😂
Nuff said, she said it! No one ate on Mike watch. He retired great basketball athletes that should’ve had championships but didn’t. Lebron, everybody was able to get some gold and that’s against his super teams.
6 championships but had a better team percent of time and also lebron is playing in a Era where ppl r 7ft5 guards and ppl shooting halfcourt shots Since we dont base it off championships or Bill Russel would be the goat.....Lebron is the goat
The first guy is basically saying its not even about basketball for him anymore. He just has unconditional love for Lebron so hes GOAT to him. This mindset is something ill never understand.
People always bring up "off the court" intangibles. Just basketball, no one is better than Jordan. No one, not Kobe, Kareem, Lebron or anyone else. Dude was just built different...his mentality and will not to lose, equipped with outrageous talent and skills...on both sides of the floor...Jordan was fear. People lost sleep before games against him.
Get her TF outta here lol. You don’t have to watch him play? This sums up most of MJs fanboys, people who were too young to watch him play and only seen TH-cam clips lol
Basketball is a team sport their can’t be a goat in a team sport. This isn’t tennis or golf. Jordan never faced a dynasty or a team of all HOF in a finals. Nobody even remembers the players on them other teams other than the lakers. Not to mention Jordan never beat bird in a playoff series and he didn’t get them rings till Larry retired and everybody else was old.
The 91 Lakers were a 3 HOF team, while Jordan was the lone all star of the 91 Bulls …The Bulls advanced further than the Celtics in 89, 90, 91, & 92 - all while Bird & McHale were on the team. It’s not Jordan’s fault the Celtics lost before they met in a conference finals series. …Magic wasn’t old when he retired. Neither was Isiah. Who else got old?
Now for me what solidify Jordan goat status for me is that Defensive Player of the Year a shooting guard that was a scorer that can do it all that's a basketball player but most of all he had some pretty good defense.
I will never understand how some ppl believe that because over an 8 year span, Lebron did not a single playoff series to the Paul George pacers, the derozan/Lowry raptors and the rookie Tatum/brown Celtics that that makes him better than Michael Jeffrey Jordan🤦🏿♂️ this is all recency bias and if Lebron was remotely close to being the 🐐, dirk would have no rings rn
U know Jordan is the GOAT when people have to bring up Bron building schools and marrying his highschool sweetheart to make a case for him being the GOAT.
Jordan did not play with this level of talent that is there today in the NBA . The only one Jordan was around that was part of the generation after, Vince Carter .
This girl is on it could not have said it any better myself. These LeBron fans kill me when you talkin about comparing the two play Styles and who's the goat they want to go off and talk about something different, about Humanity come on that is not the question and has nothing to do with anything they're talking about. But that's a new one never heard that he is the goat as a human being.
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there is no offensive player of the year in the NBA; she meant that he won the scoring title & won defensive player of the year in the same year.... her argument wins though !!!
The “off the court” argument is ridiculous
MJ fans Love the game of basketball
LBJ fans, “it’s just basketball at the end of the day”
😂😂😂 Lebron love the kids that’s why he’s the goat
Why is Lebron wearing 23? because MJ is the GOAT, on the court, off it, sneaker deals, movies, documentaries anything MJ did became the blueprint to copy.
We all love MJ for his shoes. We don’t care for his selfish plays. He’s equivalent to Wilt, except wilt only won 6 rings. Remember it’s a team game, it’s not about one player so don’t get it twisted.
@@GoudaTheCavalier wilt won 6 rings? 😂 kid. just sleep.
Bro thinks mj is the goat basketball player cause he has nice shoes lol
So because someone looks up to someone the ycant be better? Wtf?
@@GoudaTheCavalier come on kid don’t get emotional over meaningless things lol
Off the court lmao 😅😅😅😅
Mane stop it lol
@yaboy1414 Seriously bro off court gtfoh.😆😆😆
Facts!
Boy moved the goal posts to a different country
"off the court" WTF MJ is still dominating off the court... there's a really good reason why Jordan brand eclipses all other NBA players brands... like yo, that's off the court.
@just…
That really good reason was what Mike did on the court. His accomplishments on the court made everything off the court as successful & impactful or whatever as it has been all these years.
It’s the same thing with Mike’s 6-0…he’s not the Goat because he has a 6-0 record in the Finals, that ninja went 6-0 in the Finals because he’s the best and most complete player ever, the Goat.
Did she just say offensive player of the year?????
They stay making up awards for a dude they never even watched 😂😂 the only game she’s been alive to see Mj play is craps at the Bellagio
@@davids.7845well he won MVP(which is what I think she was talking about) DPOY, as well as All defense and NBA first team as well as lead the league in scoring and steals in one season. I have never seen another person ever do that
@@davids.7845🤣🤣🤣bro i was like what???!!!
MVP !!! My guy you know what she meant.
@@KERNZSPORTSPRODUCTIONS😂 they trying to be all technical for no reason knowing they knew what she meant.....
He literally just called MJ the GOAT. “On the court Jordan is the GOAT” GGs Jordan wins
She acts like she's so well educated but doesn't know the offensive player of they year award doesn't exist..
She means scoring title. And yes jordan won the scoring title and DPOTY in the same season. He’s won multiple scoring titles, mvps, 1st team all defense in the same season. This debate isn’t really close.
MJ has 10 scoring titles while LeBron has one. Its not even close.
@@StarryNight4024Lebron didn’t make scoring his number one priority like Jordan did…different styles of play…Lebron dished out 8AST a game to help his teammates
U don’t know what these females know don’t understand cause of gender
@Turkeycock28
Well, prior to MJ's Wizard seasons lowering some of his career avgs (assists being one of 'em), when he retired in '98 his apg avg stood at 7 a game.
Which means that he was handing out 7apg to "help his teammates", while playing OFF the ball.
LBJ on the other hand, avgs 7apg as the facilitator.
Let that sink in for a min....
Off the court. That dude a weirdo.
Tbf to him he still said MJ is the best at basketball
Who?
Okay so you saying that jordan sneaker deals and the fact that jordan made the nba more popular is thrown out the window okay okay
@@FireAttack0811 That has nothing to do with why he's the goat. Okay okay.
@@specterone2474 Then why people keep bringing it up in goat conversations
When she said she didnt have to watch Jordan play, she lost all credibility in this convo
And doubled down by bringing up sneaker sales lmao
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Shes right though.. if you never watched a game in your life and someone gives you lebron and michael jordon resume and ask you which one is the g.o.a.t , who do you think people are gonna pick
@@chasenickles260you can actually watch the game to make an argument for Bron. That’s why we watch the game based every component such as playmaking, ballhandling, defense, shooting, accolades and more. Even though MJ is the goat, doesn’t you can’t watch 🏀 and not make a point
i didnt watch jordan play...i know he the goat
How did she throw the shoe deal in and then rule out all the off the court stuff?!
Women…………. It’s a whole new ball game. You can’t sit here and tell me the game doesn’t evolve and it’s stayed the same. The reason why there is an argument is because it isn’t clear who is GOAT
😂
the shoe deal is related to basketball......
@remnant8898 exactly.. they're just trying to find something wrong with the woman's opinion or they just are in love with Bron
because sneakers and shoe deals are part of basketball, it is on the court.
Moving the goalpost to off the court is wild😂
Michael Jordan retired from the game for 2 years, then came back and won 3 straight. Jordan got drunk one day playing golf then scored 52 vs the Cavs that same night. LeQueen cries for respect and thinks he's a politician
This woman is absolutely correct Michael Jordan is the GOAT
1-9 without pippen
Most overrated player in the history of sports
@@BungycbHis only Allstar teammate while LeBron had the MOST ever of any player so COPE
@@MeekMillisbendingoverrndo you even KNOW the other player in this video
@@MeekMillisbendingoverrnwho Lebron?
Not her off court argument is his shoes 😂
His shoes are a by-product of him on the court.
@@rackball5858 does that make his off court better than Bron's?
@@camgrizzly Nope. If the only way to pimp up Lebron is to discuss “off court” greatness, then the debate is dead. Both are extreme capitalists. Anyone who thinks that the I Promise school is coming totally out of Lebron’s pockets, I’ve got a house on the lake to sell to you. Lebron’s family man image hasn’t been dented yet because he hasn’t been busted.
@@rackball5858🎯🎯🎯
shoes or shoe sales is not off the court. i mean you can't play basketball without a pair and it's part of the game and culture 😄. being a philantrophy doesn't involve anything with basketball so that's off the court.
The Bulls were loaded, Pippen, Kukoc Rodman, Harper. The rest of the 90s teams were not great teams, the Knicks were Ewing and a bunch of role players Charlie Ward a football player was the PG.
You just young bro😂😂😂
@@CurtisMartin-ej9itThere were plenty of great teams in the 90s. Lakers, Detroit, Trailblazers, Suns, Sonics, Jazz, Houston.
And the Bulls were not stacked when they won their first 3. It was Jordan, Pippen and a buncha role players. Were you even around in the 90s?
He changed the game globally too. Ppl dont talk about that
This debate will go on after I’m dead and I’m 22 it will never end sports are debatable! Can’t just say one person is good at one sport it’s all about perspective and personal opinions.
Nope, your favorite player does not make them the goat. Stats rule.
@@Epicentr not necessarily
She didnt even watch him play!!!! Thats how half these people sound. Insane!
We’re not talking about philanthropy but she said Jordan changed the game cause of his shoe deal lol 😂😂
The deal opened the door for _all_ athletes, changing the _sport_ itself. That’s not philanthropy.
@@FuhqEweHow much money athletes make off shoe deals has fuck all to do with who was a better basketball player.
@@ImBarryScottCSS I’m not sure if you have a cognitive impairment or you’ve just commented on the wrong thing.
@@ImBarryScottCSSif lebron didnt have all his sneaker endorsements he wouldnt have gone to miami and taken a paycut... if michael jordan didnt do his 1 year 30 mil deal lebron wouldnt have thought to do the same in cleveland... jordan upped the value of an all time great player allowing them to dictate more of what happens on their team. Something lebron directly benefitted from
That changed the marketing of basketball not the actual game itself.
Try again son@@FuhqEwe
I ain’t never went to
The gym and picked up players based on what they do off the court lmaoo.
Be in the gym talking about is you a good dad ? Do you help out in the community. Ok bet I got u. 😂😂😂
Lmfao 😂
USA: mj vs LeBron
WORLD: messi vs ronaldo
Keep it about Basketball when it comes to GOAT convos...If the player does not have more than 6 Finals MVPs , there is no comparison. Bill Russell has 11 chips, he was not the best player on those NBA Finals runs, and there were less than 20 teams in the league.
LBJ-
4x Rings❌, 4x FMVP❌, 4x MVP❌, 0x DPOY❌, 1x Scoring Champ❌,1x AST Champ✔, 0x STL Champ❌, 6x All-Defensive 1st Team❌, 19x All-Star✔, 3x All-Star MVP, 0x NBA Slam Dunk Contest❌, ROTY, 18x Total Awards & Trophies❌
27.2 PPG❌, 7.5 RPG✔, 7.3 APG✔, 1.5 SPG❌, 0.8 BPG, 3.5 TPG❌, 1.8 PF✔
50.5 FG%✔ 34.5 3PT%✔ 73.5 FT%❌
27.2 PER❌ .226 WS/48❌
(20 Season's)
Longevity✔
82 Games Played: 1x❌
28.5 PPG, 9.0 RBG✔, 7.2 APG✔, 1.7 SPG❌, 1.0 BPG✔, 3.6 TPG❌, 2.3 PF✔
49.5 FG%✔ 33.1 3PT%❌ 74.1 FT%❌
27.9 PER❌ .238 WS/48❌
MJ-
6x Rings✔, 6x FMVP✔, 5x MVP✔, 1x DPOY✔, 10x Scoring Champ✔, 0x AST Champ❌, 3x STL Champ✔, 9x All-Defensive 1st Team✔, 14x All-Star❌, 3x All-Star MVP, 2x NBA Slam Dunk Contest✔, ROTY, 37x Total Awards & Trophies✔
Regular Season-
30.1 PPG✔, 6.2 RPG❌, 5.3 APG❌, 2.3 SPG✔, 0.8 BPG, 2.7 TPG✔, 2.6 PF❌
49.7 FG%❌ 33.2 3PT%❌ 83.5 FT%✔
27.9 PER✔ .250 WS/48✔
(15 Seasons)
Longevity❌
82 Games Played 9x✔
Playoffs-
33.4 PPG✔, 6.4 RBG❌, 5.7 APG❌, 2.1 SPG✔, 0.9 BPG, 3.1 TPG✔, 3.0 PF❌
48.7 FG%❌ 33.2 3PT%✔ 82.8 FT%✔
28.6 PER✔ .255 WS/48✔
MJ: 23✔ MJ :12❌
LBJ: 13✔ LBJ: 22❌
Its clear as day who better and more complete. And more importantly a better winner.
The only answer is the true 23.
Jordan.
Kareem, Bill Russell and Wilt are better than MJ by ur logic
@tableswastaken and all together still better than lebron
@@anthonystevenson830lol
Certified hater 😂
Jordan is the Goat no matter what universe you from
Nah There Is No Goat
@@hyperflame7255 🐐
Lebrons better than him in all of them
@@QuavoGotFame 😂😂😂 4 outta 10 in the finals with superteams in 20 seasons while flopping 😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣 goats don’t flop, and all of the greats have winning records in the finals coz that’s what you play for in case you didn’t know…and by the way tell Lechoke the Joker said easy money 🤑🤑🤑 and then tell the Joker Lechoke wants his broom 🧹 back 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣 by the way Leflop is wearing number 23 this season 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
@@frankiefernandez9225Jordan played 15 seasons, why you just ignoring the other 9? 😅
Off the court has nothing to do with who is a better basketball player overall
Offensive player of the year is an award? 🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴
I love this girl❤....thank you for the explanation ❤
a casual female saying she didn't watch jordan play is all you need to know people forget jordan played in an expansion era and has the best team every team without him the bulls were a 55 win team with lebron the cavs was a 18 win do a lot of haters and logical fans not put context into competition and eras to say the 90s era is more skilled is like saying you don't or never watched basketball back then compared to lebron era the athletes are way better and way way more skilled not to mention guards in jordan era was 6-1 let that sink in context matters people
I like her, she knows her stuff
She really dont lmao
@@sportstalkonly1442she literally said she didn’t even watch him play tf did she just look at his stats? 😂
Superteam
She made up an award and listed very surface level facts that the casual nba viewer is familiar with.
Two three peats with a retirement in between vs super team hopper. 3 all stars buddy up in Miami, left cavs for dead then return when love and kyrie are there. Rich Paul force trades AD to Lakers for a summer camp mickey mouse ring.
Lebron i promise students cannot do math!!
Jordan da G.O.A.T. period
The goat of beating weak watered down competition?
@@sportstalkonly1442they only look weak because them bulls stomping everyone
Weak era goat 😂😂
@@zavdab5238 it's easy to stomp everyone when u have the best team.
@@sportstalkonly1442nah jordan just made them look ez LMAO
Jordan also donates a ton or money the only difference is that he said, that he doesn't have to advertise that, big difference.
She bodied dude...he's worm food💯
for reals...lol
Dude uses the worse defense ever lmao.... It's so much more he could have said lmao.... But he chose that
😂😂😂😂
Have her whip out the stats before Pippen arrived… just saying 🤷🏼♂️
Crazy y'all say that but Bron was doing nada until he started forming super teams .. y'all talk Scottie but show me a player Bron has made great like Scottie
They were crazy! Probably the best basketball stats in a stretch EVER! He just didn’t have any support.
@@nolyfeedawggameplay his personal stats were great, but check his playoff stats!! TERRIBLE
Jordan Was Incredible before Pippen Arrived
Did u watch Jordan In The Beginning? Dude was Incredible.
Bill Russell had 11 rings… Wilt Chamberlain had 100pts and a bunch of all time records. Kareem Abdul Jabbar have all time career records that’s been recently broken by Lebron…
I believe in every era has their GOATs . The game is basketball changed from the defensive style/play, 3pts, rules, etc.
Every GOAT played to their advantage.
Awesome !! She schooled you boys . She ain’t lying Michael Jordan the goat.
She mentioned irrelevant sneaker deals and then shut down his irrelevant points about "humanitarianism" and "philanthropy"... Why can't we just stick to what happened on the court alone?
Sister, whoever she is, said all that needs to be said.. Straight SMACK DOWN.... Not to mention that she fine as hell too, Good Lawd!
Virgin
She goofy
Glazin ass Jordan stans
She like a 4
The issue is, who was the goat before lebon, before mj. So if cant even see wilt, kareem as the goat then you dont even know when the next person took over hat position so u cant even speak. Kareem all day.
"We're not talking about philanthropy" and "humanitarianism," yet one of the arguments cited for Jordan was "the sneaker deals." Ummm
Some women shouldn’t talk sports if they ain’t joy Taylor🤣🤣🤣
Michael is the G.OA.T
The media loves mj so much they even got people who ain’t even watch play saying he’s the goat😂
The media loves Lebron so much they try to move the goal post to make him the GOAT.. They think of other stats so they can have a case for Lebron..
so did you have to be alive in the 1700s to say George Washington is the greatest president? Your logic is idiotic, people can study history and make a determination we do it everyday
Jordan put NBA on the global map. Jordan made NBA a global brand. No one outside Us would give a flying fuck about Lebron if it wasn’t for Jordan.
Lebron is the GOAT and I grew up on Jordan seen him 3 peat twice and all that stuff she listed off
How can the 🐐 have a losing finals record? We’re talking below .500
@@ralegade7710use context…Jordan doesn’t beat one team that Bron lost too…you can’t just go off stats lol
@@MeekMillisbendingoverrn Jordan would trash the Mavericks. The Warriors would be interesting considering it’s the greatest perimeter shooters of all time vs the greatest perimeter defense of all time. Against Spurs would be a win in 6.
@@ralegade7710is goat a person or a team? Like everyone says context matters.
@@ralegade7710how can the goat have a losing record without Scottie Pippen? How can the goat have 0 winning seasons without Scottie Pippen?
I like her! Right to the point, hands down!
MJ the GOAT 🐐
I'm glad he said that. That's why most people say LBJ. I stopped arguing because I realized most people aren't arguing just on the court. Most people are arguing with their heart.
Jordan fans love to forget about the 80’s
No one has dummy…
Name another player in the modern era that after just two championships.. they were calling him the greatest player … you don’t win back to back and people are calling you the goat unless your body of work in the previous years displayed that .. AKA his body of work in the 80s … plus yes he woke back to back.. but then to capitalize on that sht… he won the 3rd chip …
Why would they make a movie about a player after 3 championships as if he’s the greatest player to ever live … the hype was unreal.. this is all before the second 3 peat bro
His numbers and accolades back up the argument easily
@@mss3183na is cuz the talent in the league was trash then
Listen to the girl 😊
I wasn’t born in the 60s but I know Russell and Chamberlain were the GOATs of that era…
Jordan got 2 3-Peats. If he didn’t retire early to play baseball, Bulls would’ve won 8-in-a-row!
You can't add what ifs to his legacy. If Kyrie aand Kevin Love ain't get hurt and KD ain't join the warriors Bron would've had a 4 peat. If Kobe and Shaq stayed together they would probably have 7 or 8 too
No
Lmao you act like mj didn't fail to get the bulls to the finals in between those 3 peats.
That’s debatable, because who on the Bulls would’ve even slowed down the Dream?
Will Purdue? Bill Winington? Bill Cartwright?
And I’m a life long Bulls fan, But Hakeem the Dream was a nightmare surrounded by shooters… I’m just saying. 🤷🏽♂️
@@baruchwarrior2389People often forget how well Pip did by himself those years. Hakeem definitely would’ve been a huge problem, but the Bulls would’ve still prevailed.
I agree Jordan is better, but I vehemently disagree when Ashley said we don’t even need to watch the game to determine who’s the 🐐
i didnt watch Jordan play...i now hes the GOAT tho
@@thottydagod457then you don’t know basketball
She meant she didn’t need to be around to watch that era in real time. In the next sentence she literally says she knows the history.
Her logic is flawed
So is lebron hairline
@@LooseBooty-tv7nyYou’re going to hell! 😂😂😂😂
@@LooseBooty-tv7nyJordan was ballsack bald his entire career
This is why we don't ask women anything
Literally Jordan said that he's a product of his time
Idc that people think Jordan is the goat but the fact that ya act like lebron is not even worthy to be in that discussion is blasphemy
He should be in the discussion for 2-7. He’s a Kevin Durant type career away from achieving what Jordan achieved in 7 fewer seasons.
As someone who’s favorite player is Kobe, and even finds a hard time putting him in the top 5, Lebron is no where close.
@@ralegade7710🤣keep hating old man
Young kids, I know the history of the game. There was a man called Bil Russell with 11 rings. Take that for a history lesson. But is he the goat ??
Why do people think basketball is a individual sport.
Jordan was a loser for basically 8 seasons. One 6 rings. Then went back to being a loser on the wizards. So yeah, context matters
😲........😆
By that logic Lebron was a loser for 17 years cuz he only got 4 rings 😮💨
@@chrisnaylor013 nope. Bc he carried that bum team to the finals at 21-22 years old. Jordon couldn’t bring his teams deep into the playoffs outside of those 6 years.
@@chrisnaylor013you act like 4 is 10 behind 6…it’s only 2 behind and Jordan played bum ass teams to win his
@@dfwherbie8814 You get no credit for carrying your team deep in the playoffs in the GOAT convo. You're using losing stats to claim a GOAT. How does that work?
Bro he had Scottie and Phil Jackson and Rodman too
Damn, the girl making more sense than the guys ‼️😂
If you only loom at rings your argument is pointless
Maybe it’s because I’m from L.A but Kobe is my GOAT 🐐
The real g.o.a.t of NBA is Bill Russell
Always that one guy lol
Why do people think Staging Racial crimes
Is Humanitarian?! 😂
They always have to add in other parts then play on the court. The GOAT argument is based on playing, not bullshit off the court.
I just admire LeBron fans
that woman knows her stuff
She dosent know basketball talking about offensive player of the year 😂😂😂 there wasn’t an offensive player of the year of award when Jordan was playing 😂
There isn’t any today as well, she just talking😂 plus she ain’t never watched him play so how can I take her seriously
Nuff said, she said it! No one ate on Mike watch. He retired great basketball athletes that should’ve had championships but didn’t. Lebron, everybody was able to get some gold and that’s against his super teams.
Bill Russell just gets forgotten about…..
6 championships but had a better team percent of time and also lebron is playing in a Era where ppl r 7ft5 guards and ppl shooting halfcourt shots
Since we dont base it off championships or Bill Russel would be the goat.....Lebron is the goat
The first guy is basically saying its not even about basketball for him anymore. He just has unconditional love for Lebron so hes GOAT to him. This mindset is something ill never understand.
People always bring up "off the court" intangibles. Just basketball, no one is better than Jordan. No one, not Kobe, Kareem, Lebron or anyone else. Dude was just built different...his mentality and will not to lose, equipped with outrageous talent and skills...on both sides of the floor...Jordan was fear. People lost sleep before games against him.
Get her TF outta here lol. You don’t have to watch him play? This sums up most of MJs fanboys, people who were too young to watch him play and only seen TH-cam clips lol
She goes harder than the dudes MJ is the GOAT
When did we see a team recruit a top 3 player to beat Jordan.
Lebron been swept too many times to be the goat
Bro sent off the court is dude wears panties under his jeans😂 Bro talkin about LeBron, the father ha ha ha ha what a clown
I couldn't even focus on what she was saying cuz she was so fine
Basketball is a team sport their can’t be a goat in a team sport. This isn’t tennis or golf. Jordan never faced a dynasty or a team of all HOF in a finals. Nobody even remembers the players on them other teams other than the lakers. Not to mention Jordan never beat bird in a playoff series and he didn’t get them rings till Larry retired and everybody else was old.
The 91 Lakers were a 3 HOF team, while Jordan was the lone all star of the 91 Bulls …The Bulls advanced further than the Celtics in 89, 90, 91, & 92 - all while Bird & McHale were on the team. It’s not Jordan’s fault the Celtics lost before they met in a conference finals series. …Magic wasn’t old when he retired. Neither was Isiah. Who else got old?
He's also 10-0 in game finals.
Now for me what solidify Jordan goat status for me is that Defensive Player of the Year a shooting guard that was a scorer that can do it all that's a basketball player but most of all he had some pretty good defense.
We’re not talking about rings either….Bill Russell….anyone?
I will never understand how some ppl believe that because over an 8 year span, Lebron did not a single playoff series to the Paul George pacers, the derozan/Lowry raptors and the rookie Tatum/brown Celtics that that makes him better than Michael Jeffrey Jordan🤦🏿♂️ this is all recency bias and if Lebron was remotely close to being the 🐐, dirk would have no rings rn
U know Jordan is the GOAT when people have to bring up Bron building schools and marrying his highschool sweetheart to make a case for him being the GOAT.
U see what Lebron fans have to resort to 🤣🤣🤣
It’s pathetic.
Did she just say . She ain't got to see Jordan play to say he is the GOAT 🤦🤦🤦
She literally brought up his sneakers tho 😑
Jordan did not play with this level of talent that is there today in the NBA . The only one Jordan was around that was part of the generation after, Vince Carter .
How they gonna let this young girl talk that BS and she didn't even watch Mj
He said off the court bro come on Jordan don’t make a spectacle about his contributions
She got more logic then all the LeBron stans
Thank you
This girl is on it could not have said it any better myself. These LeBron fans kill me when you talkin about comparing the two play Styles and who's the goat they want to go off and talk about something different, about Humanity come on that is not the question and has nothing to do with anything they're talking about. But that's a new one never heard that he is the goat as a human being.
As a human being he's the goat?? Why do I want to hurl?
NBA decades
2020s: basketball with softness
2010s: basketball with extrs 3s
2000s: basketball with bigman iso
1990s: basketball with kickboxing
1980s:basketball with MMA
She bodied him!!! Off the court???
😂😂😂
there is no offensive player of the year in the NBA; she meant that he won the scoring title & won defensive player of the year in the same year.... her argument wins though !!!
Off the court was next level bullshit...... come on man.
Bill Russell has eleven championships She doesn't know the history