For anyone who is interested; When Tiffen created Pro Mist Filters they created the different strengths in order to provide a consistent level of filtration across the range of focal length lenses because the filtration effect increases as the focal length of the lens becomes more telephoto. A 1/4 pro mist (black or white) will be much stronger on a 85mm lens than it will be on a 25mm lens. A common formula for using Pro Mist Filters is 1/2 Promist for 18mm and wider, the 1/4 Pro Mist for 25mm - 35mm lenses, and 1/8 for 50mm and above. This principle applies to all diffusion filters. I hope this is information is useful.
@@vicenteromero6946 the only "rule" I would recommend is to decrease the strength of the filtration as the focal length of the lenses get longer. But as for how the intensity of the filtration is affected by the size of the sensor I am not certain. I can see it how it would be though. I only ever used pro-mist filter when shooting 35mm film which I believe is similar in size to aps-c sensors. I would just do lots of testing. I hope this helps.
A really well done comparison of the filters. It is hard to actually find anything that shows the strength of each filter and the impact they have on footage - let alone compare it to a secondary filter. Nice work, and thank you.
Great comparison! I have watched a number of TH-cam videos on the Pro Mist filters. I think like so many things it’s subjective. 1/8 looks just right, but once you get to 1/2 it starts to become mush. The contrast or lack of it in the lighting will of course make a difference as well.
someone else pointed out in the comments that the different strengths are also meant for different focal lengths. for example, a 1/2 strength will look much differently on a 35mm than an 85mm. I should do a video on that...
I've just purchased the black pro mist 1/8 and will be using that on my next few videos. The 1/4 looks good too and might be a possible future purchase!
Bro, California is a two-consent state! But really, this video was sooo helpful. I was on the fence about 1/8 and 1/4 pro mist, but this makes the decision for 1/4 easy for me. Even the 1/2 looks damn good while still remaining "transparent" in some of the shots.
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It's a great comparison. I would see more comparison of filtres with black and white skin tones as well if I could ask so. I really appreciate you to do these videos.
8:00 i have the same X-Rite Color Checker which i use on every shoot. Another YT filmmaker recently told me "they're pointless and never used on pro sets", and he also said they don't help get more accurate colors only white balance. Lmfao. I shoot multicam with BMPCC 6k's and lots of chromakey and the color checker is invaluable and saves hella time in post
I'll admit, I don't use mine on every shoot, let alone every shot. If I've got a lot of time to setup....sure I'll use it. But, I wouldn't call me a "YT filmmaker" ;)
@@joenicklo i find it helpful for matching color across setups and locations to maintain consistency within a video series. I only use it for the first shot in a location unless the light temperature changes. I'm a full-time producer for a large university and film online certification courses. I haven't used a color checker on a feature or doc yet but I'll probably use one in the future.
Definitely. It did it's job well. To be fair, her skin looks great in person. The Sigma Art lenses are just so dang sharp! It accentuates blemishes IMO.
So glad I subscribe to your channel, very helpful as always... a little advice..... Don’t answer your phone haha . I must say I’m glad you did the ungraded shots. Keep all your videos coming it helps tremendously!
This video was very useful. I'm going with the Pro Mist 1/4 as I find it to be just the right amount to compliment the scene while keeping subtle at the same time. thanks for the help.
I love your videos! Your info is very helpful! I'm a beginning film creator and just learning about using filters. I am trying to decide on my first decent camera. I am planning to film moving cars from a handheld camera from a tandem vehicle. I'd like your opinion of the Lumix G85. I've heard that it has good stabilization, but not great auto-focus. Would you recommend it? Thank you!
Hi William, glad you liked the video. The G85 is a very capable camera, especially when paired with a decent lens. When doing car-to-car shots, I highly suggest a gimbal, even if it's a starter gimbal. Shooting video handheld from a car to another car is going to result in pretty shaky footage, even with stabilization.
Is there any way to get a Tiffen Black ProMist filter on an Irix 15mm 2.4 with a 95mm filter thread to keep a small profile of the setup? Tiffen here don't sell the size 95mm unfortunately... The Irix also has a rear gel filter holde however, so is it possible to use that slot instead maybe? To somehow cut a small filter to size and have it at the rear of the Irix? I will also use a Speedbooster and is there alternatively a possibility to put a filter in there somehow instead? I wish to keep a small profile to my camera setup with a wide angle lens like this but still have a Tiffen Black ProMist filter on it. Any thoughts?
Great video! You had one shot with the sirui anamorphic lens. Do you think it is compatible with the BPM filter? How does this filter affect the anamorphic lens flares in particular since I heard that pointing the filter into a direct light source can ruin the picture. Thanks.
Hey Driven, I am looking for a filter that doesnt do too much halation but also provides that softer look Would you recommend the Black satin 2 or the Hollywood Black magic filteer 1/4 for this? I have the black pro misst 1/8 and not happy with it, but any insight would help brotha
Hey man, thanks for this great video, great content always. On 4:30 you showed your Helios-44 58mm f2 shot and I was wondering what adaptor you use for it on the Pocket 4K? I just got my Helios on amazon for £65 + £4 shipping. Let me know what adapter you use. Thanks in advance for getting back to me on this.
Agree. The blooming is pretty much the same with the satin filters. The only difference in strength is the softness and smoothing. I prefer the satin 1/2 for portraits
Exactly! Black Satin is heavily underrated. I wanted to show people the difference between BPM and BS filters to give folks an idea of what to expect from different strengths.
I like the none filter look much more. Filter shots always look like the camera is slightly out of focus or bot sharp. I wanna see details not a blurry mess, black satin to me looks much better than pro mist tough
@@joenicklo I was struggling to choose between Pro Mist 1/4 and 1/8 for stills. Now you've added Black Satin to the mix as well. In some examples I see I feel the 1/4 Pro Mist comes of a bit too strong. On the other hand I'm wondering if the 1/8 might not even make a noticeable difference sometimes.
Agreed, but I haven't updated Resolve yet. I have too much client work to risk the instability on a beta version of a software that is already kinda unreliable as it is. Know what I mean?
@@joenicklo nope. that red problem jumps out like an eye sore. when you see the difference you'll kick yourself later for not doing it sooner. there is something so pleasing about the gen 5 not just the red channel.
@@bmefilms6879 The gen 5 is JUST from switching to the new version of Resolve right? Are you running it on a PC or Mac? I'm on a custom built PC with two GeForce GTX 1080ti and I kid you not....Resolve is so temperamental when it comes to these GPU's. I switch to my laptop (1660ti + Ryzen 7) and Resolve rarely if ever crashes. That being said, I'm excited to try Gen 5 out....I'll probably do it on my laptop. Good suggestion man.
I'd pickup 1/4 and 1/2 in Black Pro Mist and a 1/2 and 1 in Black Satin, however I'd really like to try out the higher strengths of Black Satin to see how they perform. I'm talking the 2-5.
Thank you for the test, but I found the ungraded shots unnecessary for this video. I hope you can take good criticism, as I love you content. I'm glad you chose the thumbnail I voted for on fb 😅
Hi Mohammed, thanks for checking out the review. I think that showing ungraded shots helped to show people what the filters truly do to your footage. A lot of times, people who example footage but no one really knows what went into the correction and grading process.
@@joenicklo I hope you actually did some market research, but still why would YOU want to see the ungraded difference? You can just transform it to a rec. 709 with no creative look, but ungraded 😕 I can't find a reason why would anyone want that. Good luck
I'm with driven films. To appreciate a difference you need to see the base ungraded clip. and whether you want it or not i think you'll find alot of 'OTHER' people will appreciate it
Hey man, I a producer for cine filter, and I do many diffusion filters,like the Pearlescent/Glimmer Glass/Digital Diffusion/TOBACCO/Antique Suede, and so on , totally 17 kinds of diffusion filters . Are you interested in talk with me ?
I use Tiffen Black Pro Mist diffusion filters on my portrait lenses to soften wrinkles, spots, pores, blemishes, and other skin defects. Thanks for the comparisons.
For anyone who is interested; When Tiffen created Pro Mist Filters they created the different strengths in order to provide a consistent level of filtration across the range of focal length lenses because the filtration effect increases as the focal length of the lens becomes more telephoto. A 1/4 pro mist (black or white) will be much stronger on a 85mm lens than it will be on a 25mm lens. A common formula for using Pro Mist Filters is 1/2 Promist for 18mm and wider, the 1/4 Pro Mist for 25mm - 35mm lenses, and 1/8 for 50mm and above. This principle applies to all diffusion filters. I hope this is information is useful.
Dang. I had no clue about that (clearly). Really good information :) I'm actually going to pin this comment so thank you for sharing.
@@joenicklo 🙏
@@matthewmaccarthy8542 thanks for the clarification, in the case of aps-c we would have to make the conversion 85 to 56mm?
@@vicenteromero6946 the only "rule" I would recommend is to decrease the strength of the filtration as the focal length of the lenses get longer. But as for how the intensity of the filtration is affected by the size of the sensor I am not certain. I can see it how it would be though. I only ever used pro-mist filter when shooting 35mm film which I believe is similar in size to aps-c sensors. I would just do lots of testing. I hope this helps.
@@matthewmaccarthy8542 thank you so much!
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A really well done comparison of the filters.
It is hard to actually find anything that shows the strength of each filter and the impact they have on footage - let alone compare it to a secondary filter.
Nice work, and thank you.
Thanks bro. I'm going to be posting a video of JUST the footage later this week so that people who don't want to here my blabbering can just watch it.
This is a really helpful video. Thank you for breaking it down so cleanly. Great job!
Thanks brother!
Filters have become such a big part of my daily film life! Really looking forward to getting more soon!
Which ones are you going to get? I'm looking into Glimmer Glass next.
Probably the best video on this topic! Love your content and presentation!
Thank you :) glad you liked this one
Great comparison! I have watched a number of TH-cam videos on the Pro Mist filters. I think like so many things it’s subjective. 1/8 looks just right, but once you get to 1/2 it starts to become mush. The contrast or lack of it in the lighting will of course make a difference as well.
someone else pointed out in the comments that the different strengths are also meant for different focal lengths.
for example, a 1/2 strength will look much differently on a 35mm than an 85mm. I should do a video on that...
Thank you! Helped me make my decision for the Black Satin 1/2. Just needed something to diffuse skin texture in studio.
Glad I could help
I've just purchased the black pro mist 1/8 and will be using that on my next few videos. The 1/4 looks good too and might be a possible future purchase!
Let me know what you think of it when you’ve tested it out
Thank you for taking time out and making this incredible video. Wish you all the best :-)
No problem, thanks for watching
Very nice Sir, been looking for this kind of direct comparison. Subscribed.
Glad I could help.
I like the video very clear and didactic. Thank you !!!
Thank you!
Ty great video.
Glad you enjoyed it
@@joenicklo is it right to think that pro mist is more suitable for videos and satin for photographic portraits?
That sponsor ad haha, love you both
Haha! Glad you liked it ;) I couldn't stop laughing when I was cutting J.T.'s footage.
Bro, California is a two-consent state! But really, this video was sooo helpful. I was on the fence about 1/8 and 1/4 pro mist, but this makes the decision for 1/4 easy for me. Even the 1/2 looks damn good while still remaining "transparent" in some of the shots.
Glad it could help you decide man. Cant wait to see what you put out with it.
Cool! I see, black promist is good for 1 filter only (low strength), but black satin works better in a set of filters and pro use!
Great video bro, definitely worth watching 👊🏾💯💯💯
Appreciate that
I really love your videos they ate very informative.
Thank you!
Very well made, my friend!
Thank you very much!
What setting did you in you bmpcc 4 for film shoot ?
Depends what I’m shooting.
This is exactly the video I had planned for next week nooooooo 😂😂 keep it up though I love it
Gotta be quick!!! ;)
Small a mount of subscribers but alot of very very good content! No boring video at all! You got a New subscriber and congratulations for this amazing content! Keep going! Cheers from Guatemala
Just got to keep the grind going!
Thanks !
How can 3 people dislike this video? Great content. Keep it coming!
I’ll just have to do better next time for them ;)
Excellent video!! Well done!
Thanks Chris! Hope you're well dude.
Awesome video with good info. I didn't know about any of this.
Glad it was helpful!
Great content I would luv to see haze or smoque filter tested by u
Good call. I've got a Smoque filter in my amazon cart ;)
It's a great comparison. I would see more comparison of filtres with black and white skin tones as well if I could ask so. I really appreciate you to do these videos.
The next time I do a filter test I’ll definitely do my best to work in different color skin tones.
8:00 i have the same X-Rite Color Checker which i use on every shoot. Another YT filmmaker recently told me "they're pointless and never used on pro sets", and he also said they don't help get more accurate colors only white balance. Lmfao. I shoot multicam with BMPCC 6k's and lots of chromakey and the color checker is invaluable and saves hella time in post
I'll admit, I don't use mine on every shoot, let alone every shot. If I've got a lot of time to setup....sure I'll use it. But, I wouldn't call me a "YT filmmaker" ;)
@@joenicklo i find it helpful for matching color across setups and locations to maintain consistency within a video series. I only use it for the first shot in a location unless the light temperature changes. I'm a full-time producer for a large university and film online certification courses. I haven't used a color checker on a feature or doc yet but I'll probably use one in the future.
The filter worked wonders on her skin. I love my promist 1/4
Definitely. It did it's job well. To be fair, her skin looks great in person. The Sigma Art lenses are just so dang sharp! It accentuates blemishes IMO.
Hahaha that sponsor slot. Best cross over ever.
J.T carried the weight big time there!
Love your videos bro!
Thanks!
Very good video! Thanks!
So glad I subscribe to your channel, very helpful as always... a little advice..... Don’t answer your phone haha . I must say I’m glad you did the ungraded shots. Keep all your videos coming it helps tremendously!
Thanks! J.T always calls me for gear....
This video was very useful. I'm going with the Pro Mist 1/4 as I find it to be just the right amount to compliment the scene while keeping subtle at the same time. thanks for the help.
Glad it was helpful! Feel free to share your work with the Pro Mist on the Driven Films Discord server :)
I love your videos! Your info is very helpful! I'm a beginning film creator and just learning about using filters. I am trying to decide on my first decent camera. I am planning to film moving cars from a handheld camera from a tandem vehicle. I'd like your opinion of the Lumix G85. I've heard that it has good stabilization, but not great auto-focus. Would you recommend it? Thank you!
Hi William, glad you liked the video. The G85 is a very capable camera, especially when paired with a decent lens. When doing car-to-car shots, I highly suggest a gimbal, even if it's a starter gimbal. Shooting video handheld from a car to another car is going to result in pretty shaky footage, even with stabilization.
@@joenicklo That sounds like great advice! Thanks so much!!
Make sure you watch my video on filming cars too!
@@joenicklo absolutely! Thanks!
nicely done, very well explained.
Thank you!
Is there any way to get a Tiffen Black ProMist filter on an Irix 15mm 2.4 with a 95mm filter thread to keep a small profile of the setup? Tiffen here don't sell the size 95mm unfortunately... The Irix also has a rear gel filter holde however, so is it possible to use that slot instead maybe? To somehow cut a small filter to size and have it at the rear of the Irix? I will also use a Speedbooster and is there alternatively a possibility to put a filter in there somehow instead? I wish to keep a small profile to my camera setup with a wide angle lens like this but still have a Tiffen Black ProMist filter on it. Any thoughts?
Your best bet may be to get a filter holder or small matte box and buy a 4x4 filter. I wouldn't mess with cutting glass.
Great video! You had one shot with the sirui anamorphic lens. Do you think it is compatible with the BPM filter? How does this filter affect the anamorphic lens flares in particular since I heard that pointing the filter into a direct light source can ruin the picture. Thanks.
Thanks! In the example footage you can see that the BPM didn't screw with the flares much, in fact it softened them a bit.
Really good video. I've watched a lot comparisons for pro mist filters prior to purchase, but few compare to this. 👍
Appreciate you watching. TY for the feedback.
Hey Driven,
I am looking for a filter that doesnt do too much halation but also provides that softer look
Would you recommend the Black satin 2 or the Hollywood Black magic filteer 1/4 for this?
I have the black pro misst 1/8 and not happy with it, but any insight would help brotha
The Black Satin is going to have a more subtle look than Pro Mist. I'd take a good look at the comparisons to see which you'd like.
Well made bro
Thanks!
Hey man, thanks for this great video, great content always. On 4:30 you showed your Helios-44 58mm f2 shot and I was wondering what adaptor you use for it on the Pocket 4K? I just got my Helios on amazon for £65 + £4 shipping. Let me know what adapter you use. Thanks in advance for getting back to me on this.
When I bought the Helios it came with an EF mount. I bought it off of one of my Discord community members.
Great knowledge ji, I like your video.
Many many thanks
awesome video and explanation ! oh and btw, you forgot the discord link, i want to join !
Hi! Glad you enjoyed the video. I added the discord link :)
I didn’t know you’re in west palm!!
Yep! :) You?
Will you be doing comparison on Tiffen Glimmerglass?
Maybe down the line. Right now I've got so many videos lined up.
Satin filters in fraction dont work much, I use 2 or 3 and I get a good effect, very true film like ( I've shot on film several times before)
Agree. The blooming is pretty much the same with the satin filters. The only difference in strength is the softness and smoothing. I prefer the satin 1/2 for portraits
Exactly! Black Satin is heavily underrated. I wanted to show people the difference between BPM and BS filters to give folks an idea of what to expect from different strengths.
I'd love to try out a 2+ Black Satin. If I start shooting more portrait/beauty work I'll definitely be investing in one.
Film I’m looking for that future look 👀 8k look lol
Have fun playing it back on your non-existent 8k tv
@@joenicklo you ever go back see them old TH-cam video made 10 years ago. Bet they wish it was recorded 4K then
I like the none filter look much more. Filter shots always look like the camera is slightly out of focus or bot sharp. I wanna see details not a blurry mess, black satin to me looks much better than pro mist tough
I actually like Black Satin quite a bit. To me, a little bit of diffusion goes a long way.
Great video! This makes it even harder for me to choose strength though, haha!
Have you decided yet?
@@joenicklo I was struggling to choose between Pro Mist 1/4 and 1/8 for stills. Now you've added Black Satin to the mix as well. In some examples I see I feel the 1/4 Pro Mist comes of a bit too strong. On the other hand I'm wondering if the 1/8 might not even make a noticeable difference sometimes.
@@hampusnilsson2389 It definitely depends on the situation. If you can spring for an 1/8 and 1/4 circular I'd do it.
Why do all the test shots start off in high-key followed by a darker version? It's kind of confusing
That's LOG, not high key. Also, 4 years ago I was a dummy and thought people would want to see the log and the graded.
0:36 and this is why gen 5 should be used?
Agreed, but I haven't updated Resolve yet. I have too much client work to risk the instability on a beta version of a software that is already kinda unreliable as it is. Know what I mean?
@@joenicklo nope. that red problem jumps out like an eye sore. when you see the difference you'll kick yourself later for not doing it sooner. there is something so pleasing about the gen 5 not just the red channel.
@@bmefilms6879 The gen 5 is JUST from switching to the new version of Resolve right? Are you running it on a PC or Mac? I'm on a custom built PC with two GeForce GTX 1080ti and I kid you not....Resolve is so temperamental when it comes to these GPU's. I switch to my laptop (1660ti + Ryzen 7) and Resolve rarely if ever crashes. That being said, I'm excited to try Gen 5 out....I'll probably do it on my laptop. Good suggestion man.
@@joenicklo yes! Mac.
@@bmefilms6879 That explains it. Resolve runs amazing on Mac OS. I'm so cautious on Windows man.
great video
Thanks for the visit
I think 1/2 is as high as I would go. I think I'm gonna need yo grap a few
I'd pickup 1/4 and 1/2 in Black Pro Mist and a 1/2 and 1 in Black Satin, however I'd really like to try out the higher strengths of Black Satin to see how they perform. I'm talking the 2-5.
I just bought the #2 purely for night shots, and it's intense. Definitely has a horror vibe if you're shooting video.
@@joenicklo I shoot satin 3, looks great! organic and natural
I think you forgot a grading step in 1:51 :)
What?
@@joenicklo just compare 1:51 to 5 seconds earlier and you'll understand :)
Thank you for the test, but I found the ungraded shots unnecessary for this video.
I hope you can take good criticism, as I love you content.
I'm glad you chose the thumbnail I voted for on fb 😅
Hi Mohammed, thanks for checking out the review. I think that showing ungraded shots helped to show people what the filters truly do to your footage. A lot of times, people who example footage but no one really knows what went into the correction and grading process.
@@joenicklo I hope you actually did some market research, but still why would YOU want to see the ungraded difference?
You can just transform it to a rec. 709 with no creative look, but ungraded 😕 I can't find a reason why would anyone want that.
Good luck
@@SimoBenziane Thanks for your feedback. Personally, I want to see the Before & After.
I'm with driven films. To appreciate a difference you need to see the base ungraded clip. and whether you want it or not i think you'll find alot of 'OTHER' people will appreciate it
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Hey man, I a producer for cine filter, and I do many diffusion filters,like the Pearlescent/Glimmer Glass/Digital Diffusion/TOBACCO/Antique Suede, and so on , totally 17 kinds of diffusion filters . Are you interested in talk with me ?
You can email me at drivenfilms.joe (at) gmail (dot) com
Okay, I’m confused by this... Maybe a before an after would help with a comparison.
th-cam.com/video/wrDdkofxURg/w-d-xo.html - I show the shots with no filter.
I use Tiffen Black Pro Mist diffusion filters on my portrait lenses to soften wrinkles, spots, pores, blemishes, and other skin defects.
Thanks for the comparisons.
You're welcome, thanks for watching.
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Black pro mist 1 is better
It not about which is "better" rather than which is more suitable for the look you're trying to achieve.