FILTERS: WHY AREN'T YOU USING THEM?! What Every Creator Needs in Their KIT
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What are your favourite filters? (also! saw a mistake a 1:43.. there was supposed to be Fx6 footage, oops)
The MB filter (mist bloom) 😂😂😂
My always-on filter is the Tiffen Black Satin 1. Compared to the Black Pro-Mist, it has a subtler and more natural-looking highlight bloom and contrast reduction and does a great job softening fine details like wrinkles. To me, the Black Pro-Mist is more of an “effect” (an amazing one!), and the Black Satin just makes footage and photos look more (here come the buzzwords) “filmic” and “organic” without being too obvious.
I would say ND and excited to start my journey with Mist filters. Thanks for sharing your words of wisdom Mark! 🙏
Any thoughts on 1/4 or 1/2 and which amount will be a good first filter?
@@makestuffmike The 1/8 and 1/4 are the most popular strengths. The 1/2 is a _lot_ of effect, so if you went with that you’d probably still want a 1/4 for times when you don’t want it to take over the shot. So... both 🤪
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thank you. great topic.🤯💎💎💎☑️
Mark you're great! ♥ Can I add a filter on another one without adapters if they have the same size, for instance 77mm? so I’d like to put a black mist on a 77mm diameter lens and then a nd+cpl filter on the black mist. Without holder or adapter can I?
Thank you for explaning I really appreciated! ☺ I have a question for you, thank you in advance for answring... I would like to use the lens Sony 24-105mm on my Sony A7IV, then I would like to apply a Nisi Black Mist on it, and on the black mist I’d like to put the ND64 6stops + CPL integrated filter by Nisi. Will I make a mess of my photos and videos? Would this be a bad choice to make? Is the 24-105mm G really less sharp, bidimensional, sad looking and not good in night, low light or indoors situations? Cause my intention is to get a tridimensional, cinematic looking on my photos and videos.
My mist filter = a big ol dirty thumb print on the front and back glass. 👌
haha, what ever works man! I've used hot glue on glass before!
just got my Moment Cinebloom which I love! Great video, nothing like a friday afternoon in the Bone Zone😂
nice, how heavy is the effect? would it be closer to a 1/4 black satin?
@@markbone light that you can see it’s there but still very natural but I can’t say 100% how close it is since I haven’t used the black satin but this is the video i watched comparing the 2 th-cam.com/video/s71dcqsft4k/w-d-xo.html
Iam from India , kerala.. here a director name shaji kailas have killed blue anamorphic by unwantedly used in a mass movie.
Epic video man, thanks!! What's the suction cup rig you are using in 10:23 ? Thanks
FILTERS: WHY AREN'T YOU USING THEM?!
Thats because a good filter is very expensive.
Nowadays even crappy filters are expensive!!!
Thanks for sharing!!!
Btw.....I use one of those tiny mirrorless cameras!!! ;-)
I never knew what mist filters are for. (I was like, why would anyone need anything other than circular polarizers and ND filters?) Thank you for the explanation!
Getting an upload notification from you brings me joy! Excellent video, Mark!
thank you Chris! love to hear it, appreciate the support brother!
sad. stop obsessing over youtubers. they dont care about you, they just want the views and everyone is jerking off trying to be the next peter mckinnon. it's all just a show man. don't be a sheep.
Welcome to the Bone Zone
Channel rebranding. lol Thanks for the video, brother!
it might be time
Very cool and helpful vid. Thanks
great stuff but this mist filter image looks like you just decrease your sharpness... But I like its effect when filming against the sun
Great content as usual!
Was literally just looking at filters when I got the notification 👀
yes!! love it when that happens
And how do you get the money from all those filters! 😅🤑
Polarizer filters can be such a HUGE lifesaver when it comes to reflections.
100%
I have had huge reflections lately can you help me understand this
Mist filter link actually leads to the polar pro vnd
I'm gonna start storing all my lenses in my kitchen now too🤣
The Helios 44 is such a beautiful lens! I use it all the time, it was from my dad's Zenit camera, i use it to shoot with my 7D, i'm definitely gonna check for a mist filter
My heart broke when I saw the note about the sd card with the FX6! I've been using V90 SD cards with my FX6 with no problems so far. Such a fun camera to use 😀👍
awesome video dude! super funny about the SD cards on the fx6 lol
Curious your thoughts. I’d been eyeing the base camp from polar pro but recently purchased the recon to try it out. I really enjoy how small the recon matte box is. Am I shooting myself in the foot though? A lot less filter offering on the recon matte box system. You think the base camp is worth going with over the recon matte box? I don’t do professional. Just personal. Wanna get the best for my money.
Love your videos man! Super thoughtful and informative without being overly "TH-camy" Side note- Probably going to be buying the Basecamp from B&H soon, you ever look into posting B&H affiliate links?
This is super helpful to me. Sometimes (like you've said in previous videos) there's so much information out there that tends to leave someone more confused than helped. I really love how your videos underline the important reasons to use (and practice with) certain pieces of gear or skills to make something more "cinematic". Thanks for posting all the content you do. Can't wait for your online course to drop!
Thank you Zak! So glad this video was able to help brother
As always, great video. Yea I got into buying my own filters recently ... and I am addicted ... have spent quite a bit on them and have several. So much fun.
Great video, Mark. I'm learning so much from you at the moment! Which graduated ND would recommend: do you think that you reach for a certain density most of the time, or do I ultimately need a set of the things?
This is amazing, you’re a great teacher. Going to invest in some filters now. Thank you for this content!
🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Since I'm using the EOSR I really love my 14mm Samyang RF mount but with it you can only use a matte box and filters which are often times more expensive.
Just yesterday I was thinking about how I can soften the highlights on the subjects face in an interview I shot. My prayers have been answered. Thank you!
I ordered a tripod form Henry's on January 1 and I still don't have it! 😫
Did I miss something ..did you list every product except the matte box??
8:55 is there.a way to control the strength of the bluemorphic effect? Or is it basically an on or off situation? Also, in the background of that shot, the screen seems to be flickering, I've noticed that in some of my footage, do you know how we can avoid that?
You could always, you know, just lift the black point in curves to create a “print black” as it is with film…
great video.. there's no black mist for the basecamp matte box though right?
please please please tell me how you mounted your small tube lights to your shelf? :) where can I get this mount? :)
Great video man! I love the mist filter
The more autheicate, more character and organic. Love that.
Where did you get those small lights that seem to be able to stick anywhere ? What brand are those small rectangular lights :)?
Romanticising film with the explanation "digital is just ones and zeroes" is misleading and unhelpful.
Film is as unnatural as digital (or as natural)
You cannot just shoot film and experience it right there as you would a real life event, the film has to be processed and then saved onto more film (or some other medium like vhs or a digital copy) and then has to be projected.
Does film look good? Yes. Is it better than digital? Objectively, no. I have heard many many professional cinematographers say that digital sensors are superior to film as they reproduce more details that were present in the scene, they are also cleaner and easier to work with. Is film bad? Environmentally, yea; but otherwise no. Everyone has gotten used to film, everyone feels comfortable with film and that's why it's still used in movies today. Everyone loves the blooming and grain cuz they have gotten used to it, they look cool in some situations but, just because you have blooming on film, doesn't automatically make it better (for eg: I don't see grain at night, I don't like grainy film, it looks like crap and pulls me out of the story especially if it's a "realistic" film or docu)
If you still think film is clearly more natural looking than digital... Maybe do some research on human biases, and how our eyes see light (spoiler alert, very similar to digital sensor). Those are 2 different topics, not one big topic. If nothing, atleast you'll learn something new.
Have a nice day/night
Cheers 😊
Film is objectively better in certain ways. Film has no compression, and doesn’t crush whites or blacks. The way that film emulsions captures an image versus digital photo pixels are significantly different. The light curve on film is more natural. Digital sensors use algorithms to adjust how the pixels detect different levels of light to simulate a natural looking curve. Film captures a frame in a single continuous time frame, while digital sensors temporally pixelate the information. By their very nature, film captures light in a more “natural” way. That doesn’t mean it is indistinguishable from your eye’s vision, but that isn’t what people claim when they say it looks natural. Cinematographers use digital because of it is more convenient by an order of magnitude. The “detail” is higher in digital only if you are comparing it to a film with grain size larger than the pixels. Accessible 4k cameras will be more detailed than an accessible 16mm camera image. But that is not the fault of the nature of film, because you could shoot with 35mm or 70mm, but those are significantly more restrictive in terms of cost and ease of use. If you are strictly talking about image quality, comparing clarity is futile because in both mediums they are only limited by the specific equipment. Compare 35mm film to 480p digital and tell me which “reproduces more details that were present in the scene.” Objectively, film is better than digital in many ways; even more so than I mentioned. Practically, digital is extremely lower cost and quick, which means that is is objectively better in different categories. They’re different, and to say that one is better than the other is more of a statement about what your own personal priorities are rather than an absolute objective observation (or a projection of your learned priorities through authority figures that you listen to and value). Do some research on human biases and that should clear things up for you. Cheers 🥂😄
@@TheSpecterRanger Hey thx for your reply and also being civil. I know some stuff and I'd like to respond to your comment. Would you read it? I don't wanna spend more than an hour trying to explain something and no one reading it. also, the reverse card you threw, very sneaky ;)
@@8lec_R Lol I was just being cheeky. Don't waste your time. I shoot digital myself and am aware of its strengths, haha
Ah love the mist filter! Super helpful :)
What strength of mist filter do you use most often?
What was the name of the Matte Box yall? Anyone have a link? Thanks :)
I personally hate morphic filters LOL
the first again
10:18 - so the variable nd you screwed on worked as a polariser as well?
Ordering 1/4 and 1/8 strength 4x5.65 mist filters today. Super excited °¬)
hi Mark .. can u pls tell me which power( strength )of mist filter were u using and which strength is normally ur favourite while using mist 🌫 filters ?
Is it possible to stack a CP filter with a VND?
What kind of mist filter do you prefer and do you switch depending on the situation? I have a tiffen pro mist ¼ and love the effect but it's too strong for night shot's so I'll invest in the ⅛ version as well... Do you swith too or only use the lower intensity ?
yeah I find 1/8 and 1/4 are good, anything more and it's too overpowering
@@markbone thanks Mark! I'll get a 1/8 for darker scenes since even the 1/4 is overpowering
Hey Mark on my BMPCC 6K G2, I have 3 filters I want to use, IR/UV cut, IRND and Black pro Mist, do you think 3 filters is too many, and also is there a guide to which order filters should be stacked?
Does the IRND not do the same as the IR/UV Cut?
@@andrehugomedia I decided in the end to go with just the IR/UC cut filter and go with a VND in front of that.
Does anyone know if this mattebox can fit over/around the bulbous Sigma 14-24mm lens hood?
Super content! Did not find bluemorphic on basecamp site? Help someone, nothing on Amazon or Google....
Basecamp seems to be really nice tool, but it's also very expensive. I'd say it's rather targeted for commercial shooters. And this blue and gold moprhic filter just makes me laugh. You do not use anamorphic lenses to get the flares but to squeeze more of the surroundings into the footage with the same focal length. So maybe you can use it once or twice, but I would never buy them.
My cinematografie teacher Told me that i shouldnt use variabel ND filters because it has a polarizing effect om skin. How do you think about that theory?
Might be a basic question, but when using ND filters, where should I have my aperture? Or is that just dependant on the kind of look I want. Depth of field etc
The 2 filters I ALWAYS have with me : Tiffen Black Pro Mist 1/8 and Schneider Linear True-Pol. (NDs are internal).
This was great info. Do we IRD ND filter for Sony A7SIII? or Polar Pro is good enough?
And I already had Polar Pro Filters on their way when I saw that video ahah
But yeah I think they add that little something that makes an image from great to wow
Great to Wow is the goal
@@markbone 100% 👌
is polar pro the way to go? anyone else found anything else that is comparable? mainly looking for a great mist filter!!
greenall with the flippy dippy
I have that lens, Love the Hellios, took me 4 months to get it from Russia but it's awesome.
Thanks for the video, so do you always use ND filter inside and not only outside?
wow, im looking for that Tele novella look !!!😂😂😂
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So bluemorphic is only for the basecamp ?
I also think a Mist filter adds that RED feel to the image. Maybe I'm wrong but that's what it looks like to me.
Just ❤️ the review !!!
I would like to get an ND filter, but I shoot indoors all the time 🙄🤭
Thanks Mark for another brilliant vid 👍❤️
Hi, are you using the Polar Pro Mat Box on gimbal?
No
watched
Enjoying all these vids Mark. Learning so much. Thank you.
Great video. I’m a wedding film maker and just discovered the Helios this year, love it! Would you think a 1/8 or 1/4 mist would match that lens better?
Old school DIY Mist filters, Nylons over the lens
Whaat? I use filters - and it makes sense - one month ago tripod with my camera has fallen because of a wind. And guess what? The UV filter has almost saved it!
UV for the win!
Do they sale a mist filter with the rectangular look for the matte box or is it just the regular one
Very interesting - thanks!
You seem to have both circular and square filters, could you please elaborate on which ones you mount on the actual lens and which ones you use in your Mattebox?
Was just looking at the base camp for my fx3 and had some questions on the mist filter. Did a quick search and realized you had one. You and Gerald have become my favorite channels. Thanks so much for the video
Were you tired of bending or was that a strategic decision so people can stay interested?
Very interesting video!
Yeah, it was a decision to change up the location more than anything
You could probably use multiple filter adapters to stack
That bluemorphic filter is such a big NO...
I would only use it in certain circumstances. It can become overpowering if you have too many light sources
I didn’t watch this video et cause @ work . I just want to say that my black promist 1/4 just makes footage look like you are staring through dirty window. For a creative look its fine if thats a look that fits the project. But a much prefer a softer lens with a clean look than a sharper lens with a diffusion filter on top of it . Ir maybe i need a better filter
I don't like Promist that much, I prefer black satin or the polar pro mist filters. I find promist ruins the image
Deakins hates filters.
I've heard though the Smoque filter can imitate haze on the set. Have you tried?
I have, it will never give you "beamage" so that's my only gripe. Check out my video on haze
Who else here knows everything in this video but just wants to watch another video of him?
hahaha! Me!!
Hey Mark, thanks for your channel and this brilliant content. Question: How do you use those ND filters with mate box and everything in documentary situation where the light changes all the time and nothing is predictable?? Variable ND's, although not as good in terms of quality, at least offer this flexibility... But I was wondering if you were really using this more "cinema / fiction" set-up on doc shoots too..
The ND filters in the polar pro matte Box are variable also. You can spin them to adjust the ratio
What do you use for square ND filters? I shoot with a P6K and have been disappointed with a few brands.
Currently I use the Polar pro VND for the most part in the basecamp but on the Alexa camera and such I'll use a LMB5 mattebox usually with Schneider 4 x 5 ND filters
@@markbone Thanks! I've been on the variable for too long!
Which mist do you use? There are 2 versions of them
Definitely need to up my filter game.
Just started playing with regular ND and polarizers. But I'd love some mist/bluemorphic/gold/warm filters.
Start with a polar pro mist or a 1/4 or 1/8 black satin
Great info!! Is IRND better than Standard ND? Which one is better?
I think IR is only useful for certain sensors. it used to be a must for RED
I see you with the ALD hoodie
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I totally concur! Filters are relevant and add a lot to the production esthetics. Where would you situate the optical low pass filter in cameras like the S1H in this discussion? Is it like a mist filter? Would you still add a mist filter in that case?
Mark, will you often use a diffusion/mist filter along with vintage glass or is it usually on newer sharper glass where you would use the filter?
it all depends the lens, I find i don't need it as much on a 44-2 but definitely want it on Sony or Canon glass because it's sooo sharp
Does it matter what matte box you use? Which is the one in this video?
In this video I’m using polar pro which is proprietary but the Industry standard is a 4x5 filter tray
@@markbone wow did not expect you to respond yourself! Thanks so much. Love your stuff. New film maker here just moving from free-lance work and working for a company to starting out with my own company. Your stuff has been an amazing teaching tool for me. Ty so much!
This was really amazing! Thank you!
Another perfectly interesting tutorial, thanks, but I would like to ask a question on another topic if possible, what disk space does it take to shoot and edit a 30 minute documentary for example in 4K, in a ratio of say 5 to 1 for the shots?
Screw this. I just keep wanting to buy more things every time I watch a video 🤩
haha, the gear list grows!
great video man. do you use 1/8 or 1/4 mist more??
1/8
Are there any recommendable (is that even a word) mist filters of other brands you can directly screw onto a lense?
Tiffen Black Satin but PolarPro has a ton also
@@markbone I'll check it out, thanks!
Thanks, one more item to ad shop list.