If you do more of these the animation in the spooky scary skeletons meme is called "Skeleton Dance" I'd recommend "Hells Bells" and "Lonesome Ghosts" along with it
Yes! Betty Boop in Hell's Bells! I watched another Betty Boop one called "Ups and Downs" where the other planets auction off Earth. The winner screws up Earth's gravitational pull.
So the "old timey" cartoon style you are refering to is "Rubber Hose" or "Squash and Stretch" animation for obvious reasons. It's actually Disney who would start to better set the bar for on model and more realistic physics (relatively) in animation. This was at first a quality standard thing but contributions could also go to the reverse from them and Hannah Barbara. Using budget saving techniques like limited motion and assets, recycled, rotoscoped and xerox animation and more kept things more mundane and cisnsotant as a natural side effect. Animation was expensive but earlier on there was a more open market and not so many yet hooked on the concept. You got a lot of animators trying to impress with things that could never be done in live action but only moments of time to do so with how costly/time inclined the process was. A few minutes could be made all the more entertaining in the early days by having characters like Micky or Felix stretch their arm way out and bend a horsheoe into a boomerang. The reliance was a lot more on the novel creativity of the medium debating from what was already established. There was little story or characterization required or useful. Mickey wants to make a plane to snog on Minnie where she can't escape. The crazy farm animal antics and insane lip imargy fills in the rest. Like seriously ..not just the kissing..the exagerated lip animation to help with the syncing of pantomime or early vocal lines in this era of cartoons always spooked the hell out of me.
The version of Steamboat Willie on the Exclusive Archive Collection is cut, they removed a scene were Mickey Mouse fondles the mother pig, I wish I was joking. The uncut version is available on Wikipedia and yeah, I can see why Disney more or less killed the Public Domain to protect it. Since this is the same Disney who had Winnie the Pooh singing about private parts and throwing Lemmings off a cliff, nothing surprises me.
7:28 - Don't feel bad about that. I felt the same way when I first saw the "Sesame Street" Muppets using cellphones. I'll never forget Ernie annoying Bert while trying to play Angry Pigeons and Big Bird being all frustrated trying to figure out how to program his BirdBerry. (th-cam.com/video/h_8wY0FD1ZI/w-d-xo.html)
I would love to see you cover some of those freaky Betty Boop cartoons like "Snow White" and "Minnie The Moocher." I get a kick out of thinking about the people who only know Betty Boop from the cute merchandise watching these, going from "aw, how cute, Betty Boop," to "HOLY SHIT, WHAT WERE THE FLEISCHERS SMOKING?!?!?!"
Hi, Avery! I'd love to see a part 2! If you're continuing on with old Mickey Mouse cartoons, be forewarned about "Mickey's Mellerdrammer". All I will say is that Mickey (and other characters) do some stuff in there that's a LOT worse than in Steamboat Willie! Disney+ would NEVER show it! Also, if you're watching other old cartoons from that time, there's a bunch of bizarre Felix the Cat ones from the 1920s. In "Woos Whoopee" Felix is drunk off his ass through the whole thing and has crazy Cuphead-like hallucinations all the way home. "Astronomeous" is also a total trip. (You'd have to see it to believe it).
Yep. I'm not sure what moniker he was under in Steamboat Willie. I BELEIVE it was just Captain Pete as it was his boat, not Mickey's. He was often called panhandle Pete and Pegleg Pete earlier on but I'm not sure which came first. I could assume panhandle as he doesn't have his iconic pegleg to start here and must have gotten it later. I believe he also featured in the live action/animation hybrid Alice shorts as a villain as well but I could be wrong..obviously his character lost the pegleg and got an overhaul in later years to act as an antagonist to goofy. The more recent Mickey mouse shorts from a few years ago brought him and a bunch of character back to their roots but revised. Goofy is a lot more like his swamp hick prototype: Dippy Dawg and Pete is called "Pegleg Pete" again with his false leg and attuitude restored. It's possible this was a bit of an attempt by Disney to make it harder to public domain use the old cartoons now since those are similar and obviouly still under copyright. The new pegleg Pete is simialr tot he public domain one but distinct enough to be under its own copyright so you can use the public domain one but also need to make it and anything you do with it not resemble the new pegleg Pete too closely or anything in his cartoons? 3:23 -LOL yep and surprisingly this is the case with the new throwback Mickey as well. Goofy is also SUPER annoying and Mickey does give him what for at times for it! haha It's like watching Kermit have a meltdown at Miss piggy in the new muppets or something.
The mad doctor is one that had been pulled from airing for a while..it was considered one of the more scary and violent cartoons of its time which really puts things into perspective considering the slapstick Squash and Stretch. We saw Mickey crash in a plane but it's the kind of violence and atmosphere that mattered. Honestly, I get it and it feels less a "seduction of the innocent" BS and more an acknowlagmnet that disturbing psychological elements have a greater lasting and magnitudal impact than greater injury but with a clearly comedic atmosphere. No one is thinking about Curly Howard getting beat on the head with a mallet as a deadly act but simply cutting the SHADOW of Pluto in half with long creepy scissors in front of the captive dog and laughing magically DOES make you feel uncomfortable..it FEELS more torturous and cruel despite both actual harm being done..or it even being a thing that CAN be done. Can you bash a man's cranium with a mallet? Sure! Will it kill him? Very most likely! Can you cut a dog's shadow in half and discard the limp remnants? No. Would it physically hurt the dog if you could? Clearly not. Yet..which makes you laugh and displace it from any real life violent action? Yeah. Surprising isn't it? Life isn't black and white. We like to think everything was in the same relative level more tame and less grounded when it came to media violence but common sense was always there just like a lack of it will also always be present. That's why we see repeats of satanic panic hysteria on kids media like comic books, cartoons, video games, streaming platforms, etc. Was it worth banning? I don't think so. But it certianly was deserving of being seen more psychologically impacting despite the higher level of actual physical violence portrayed in other cartoons of the time. Even the character has made reappearance as a villainous role (yes, depsite being a figment of Mickey's imagination) but very sparingly..
I mean..kinda..the first powered flight was 25 years before but at the same time a lot occured between that. Keep in mind that World War 1 really pushed the refinement and use of planes ahead. This would have come out 10 years after the end of WW 1 with established legendary flying aces as a thing. The first commercial airline was 1914, several years even before THAT where you had the big boys already being made. Only a little more than 10 years after this came out, world War 2 would kick off and you'd have not only bombers but a mirage of experimental aircraft that could reach extreme altitudes, speeds and other feets in the air when powered flight had not even been a reality only a little over 3 decades before. We like to recognize how fast some of our technology develops with smartphones and such..and yes, it is an exponential curve but still not the stark contrast we think it always was compared to the past. Before 1907, a hot air balloon or dirigilbe was your means or air travel and had been for quite some time. Think how little those changed since their first inventions in 1783 and 1852 respectfully. Now consider the Wright Flyer of Kitty Hawk in 1907 and how quickly that developed into something making up full War worthy fighter squadrons and commercial crafts able to carry 23-32 passengers. That was the DC-3, the first commercial airline with a cruising speed of 207 MPH and started its first route only SEVEN YEARS later! Yeah. 1914. Holy shit, right?! Let it sink in how quickly that progressed and if you would want to get into a supposedly refined version of something that didn't exist only 8 years before and go up thousands of feet in it with your lives in the hands of a couple guys operating it. Yes..planes were RELATIVELY new but they were not unfamiliar by the time this came out.
I do like me some older stuff. Sadly my playlists mainly British & Canadian ones took a hit with a lot of deleted & some blocked vids, so i had balance them with my existing ones. I did some watching AUS movies like the 2nd Chance movies, the Alice-Miranda movie sequel, The Disrupted short film trilogy, which focused on disability kids and their struggles, they were really good imo, even had some changes to the AUS playlists quite a bit so it helps for me & anyone else who are looking for something to watch & see for the first time or nostalgia.
I would love to see you cover more of these kinds of cartoons. Especially the Cab Calloway Betty Boop cartoons. Best ones out of the three imo are St. James Infirmary and Minnie the Moocher. Another great review Avery Can't wait for the next one.
If ya wanna make a horror outta this Mickey Mouse, they should make it like Judge Doom with the deaths being classic cartoon gags (anvil, dynamite, etc.)
Excuse me, you did a good job doing this. Actually, I watched each when I was a kid. I grew up in the 90s as in the beginning of the 90s. So I understand how some of these cartoons may confuse the young audience out there. Believe it or not, the one I enjoyed of the three was well, actually, all 3 of them, because I grew up staying up watching them. And my mom did not know any of this because, honestly, I was able to be quiet as a mouse and believe. about we had one of those old tv's with the knobs, you know, knob TV. I was only 6 or 5 when I started staying up on watch TV, even though my sister and I were shared in the same bedroom when we were little. I was always able to watch it quietly when she's asleep. So yeah, I appreciate your hard work, miss. Keep the good work. I can even give you some more viewpoints on some of these good old classic cartoons
You’re forgetting The Gallopin Gaucho. It’s the second silent Mickey Mouse cartoon to make its debut right after Plane Crazy and just before Steamboat Willie the third Mickey Mouse and respectfully first to have sound and music. I’m not so sure if you’re allowed to review The Mad Doctor because that won’t be in The Public Domain for at least a few more years. The first three Pre-Mickeys are.
I can review anything because it's fair use. I just have to only put in what I'm directly talking about where as I could upload the entirety of public domain works without changing them and it would be legal.
I like looking at old cartoons. I would love to dive more in to Disney WB MGM Universal Silent films (live and animated) Hanna Barbera Max Fleischer I have seen some CRAZY weird stuff from the late 1800s to the early 1900s like Right at the start is where a lot of insanity is the 20s get crazy too 30s was a lot of Depression era Poor man vs Cop or Land Lord films 40s is our War Propaganda era and those are fun 50s has the fun of the super clean strait conservative then when you hit the 60s and 70s you get the weird experimental Hippie stuff like Skidoo and every thing you said was 100% right don't apologize for any thing.
Slightly off topic but the does make me wonder what’s happening with the old Universal horror films in the next few years. Dracula and Frankenstein become public domain in 2027. What happens?? Universal does nothing and it becomes public property?? They make subtle changes like adding music but now you’re compromising the original works?? Raises lots of questions.
As far as I'm aware Disney fought to stop any form of mickey out of public domain but it's the law so I assume the same thing will happen with universal horror.
Yeah true though to be fair it’s only that iteration. Further incarnations will still be under the holders claim until that expires so in Disney’s case it’s not like Mickey in all incarnations is gone. Just that particular version.
On my way home last night, I thought of an old, but relatively obscure Disney film that I haven't seen in a while and I think it's right up your alley. It's called Child of Glass. It's from 1978 and is basically about the ghost of a girl in the south (Louisiana, I think) who haunts and enlist the help of a boy named Alexander to solve her mystery.
In the "Mad Doctor" the main song they're playing throughout is called "The Old Kent Road", which I mostly know from Shirley Temple's version of Little Princess.
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If you do more of these the animation in the spooky scary
skeletons meme is called "Skeleton Dance"
I'd recommend "Hells Bells" and "Lonesome Ghosts" along with it
Yes! Betty Boop in Hell's Bells! I watched another Betty Boop one called "Ups and Downs" where the other planets auction off Earth. The winner screws up Earth's gravitational pull.
@@RooseveltFranklinFan I didn't know there was a Betty boop one with the same name
@@____thecommenter1569 My mistake. She performs a song called "Hell's Bells" in the cartoon "Red Hot Mamma"
So the "old timey" cartoon style you are refering to is "Rubber Hose" or "Squash and Stretch" animation for obvious reasons. It's actually Disney who would start to better set the bar for on model and more realistic physics (relatively) in animation. This was at first a quality standard thing but contributions could also go to the reverse from them and Hannah Barbara. Using budget saving techniques like limited motion and assets, recycled, rotoscoped and xerox animation and more kept things more mundane and cisnsotant as a natural side effect. Animation was expensive but earlier on there was a more open market and not so many yet hooked on the concept. You got a lot of animators trying to impress with things that could never be done in live action but only moments of time to do so with how costly/time inclined the process was. A few minutes could be made all the more entertaining in the early days by having characters like Micky or Felix stretch their arm way out and bend a horsheoe into a boomerang. The reliance was a lot more on the novel creativity of the medium debating from what was already established. There was little story or characterization required or useful. Mickey wants to make a plane to snog on Minnie where she can't escape. The crazy farm animal antics and insane lip imargy fills in the rest. Like seriously ..not just the kissing..the exagerated lip animation to help with the syncing of pantomime or early vocal lines in this era of cartoons always spooked the hell out of me.
The version of Steamboat Willie on the Exclusive Archive Collection is cut, they removed a scene were Mickey Mouse fondles the mother pig, I wish I was joking. The uncut version is available on Wikipedia and yeah, I can see why Disney more or less killed the Public Domain to protect it. Since this is the same Disney who had Winnie the Pooh singing about private parts and throwing Lemmings off a cliff, nothing surprises me.
7:28 - Don't feel bad about that. I felt the same way when I first saw the "Sesame Street" Muppets using cellphones. I'll never forget Ernie annoying Bert while trying to play Angry Pigeons and Big Bird being all frustrated trying to figure out how to program his BirdBerry. (th-cam.com/video/h_8wY0FD1ZI/w-d-xo.html)
I would love to see you cover some of those freaky Betty Boop cartoons like "Snow White" and "Minnie The Moocher." I get a kick out of thinking about the people who only know Betty Boop from the cute merchandise watching these, going from "aw, how cute, Betty Boop," to "HOLY SHIT, WHAT WERE THE FLEISCHERS SMOKING?!?!?!"
Hi, Avery! I'd love to see a part 2! If you're continuing on with old Mickey Mouse cartoons, be forewarned about "Mickey's Mellerdrammer". All I will say is that Mickey (and other characters) do some stuff in there that's a LOT worse than in Steamboat Willie! Disney+ would NEVER show it! Also, if you're watching other old cartoons from that time, there's a bunch of bizarre Felix the Cat ones from the 1920s. In "Woos Whoopee" Felix is drunk off his ass through the whole thing and has crazy Cuphead-like hallucinations all the way home. "Astronomeous" is also a total trip. (You'd have to see it to believe it).
Yep. I'm not sure what moniker he was under in Steamboat Willie. I BELEIVE it was just Captain Pete as it was his boat, not Mickey's. He was often called panhandle Pete and Pegleg Pete earlier on but I'm not sure which came first. I could assume panhandle as he doesn't have his iconic pegleg to start here and must have gotten it later. I believe he also featured in the live action/animation hybrid Alice shorts as a villain as well but I could be wrong..obviously his character lost the pegleg and got an overhaul in later years to act as an antagonist to goofy. The more recent Mickey mouse shorts from a few years ago brought him and a bunch of character back to their roots but revised. Goofy is a lot more like his swamp hick prototype: Dippy Dawg and Pete is called "Pegleg Pete" again with his false leg and attuitude restored. It's possible this was a bit of an attempt by Disney to make it harder to public domain use the old cartoons now since those are similar and obviouly still under copyright. The new pegleg Pete is simialr tot he public domain one but distinct enough to be under its own copyright so you can use the public domain one but also need to make it and anything you do with it not resemble the new pegleg Pete too closely or anything in his cartoons?
3:23 -LOL yep and surprisingly this is the case with the new throwback Mickey as well. Goofy is also SUPER annoying and Mickey does give him what for at times for it! haha It's like watching Kermit have a meltdown at Miss piggy in the new muppets or something.
Good job on 10k!!
Yes def would love a part 2 or any look back on old cartoons, doesnt have to be disney
The mad doctor is one that had been pulled from airing for a while..it was considered one of the more scary and violent cartoons of its time which really puts things into perspective considering the slapstick Squash and Stretch. We saw Mickey crash in a plane but it's the kind of violence and atmosphere that mattered. Honestly, I get it and it feels less a "seduction of the innocent" BS and more an acknowlagmnet that disturbing psychological elements have a greater lasting and magnitudal impact than greater injury but with a clearly comedic atmosphere. No one is thinking about Curly Howard getting beat on the head with a mallet as a deadly act but simply cutting the SHADOW of Pluto in half with long creepy scissors in front of the captive dog and laughing magically DOES make you feel uncomfortable..it FEELS more torturous and cruel despite both actual harm being done..or it even being a thing that CAN be done. Can you bash a man's cranium with a mallet? Sure! Will it kill him? Very most likely! Can you cut a dog's shadow in half and discard the limp remnants? No. Would it physically hurt the dog if you could? Clearly not. Yet..which makes you laugh and displace it from any real life violent action? Yeah. Surprising isn't it? Life isn't black and white. We like to think everything was in the same relative level more tame and less grounded when it came to media violence but common sense was always there just like a lack of it will also always be present. That's why we see repeats of satanic panic hysteria on kids media like comic books, cartoons, video games, streaming platforms, etc. Was it worth banning? I don't think so. But it certianly was deserving of being seen more psychologically impacting despite the higher level of actual physical violence portrayed in other cartoons of the time. Even the character has made reappearance as a villainous role (yes, depsite being a figment of Mickey's imagination) but very sparingly..
I mean..kinda..the first powered flight was 25 years before but at the same time a lot occured between that. Keep in mind that World War 1 really pushed the refinement and use of planes ahead. This would have come out 10 years after the end of WW 1 with established legendary flying aces as a thing. The first commercial airline was 1914, several years even before THAT where you had the big boys already being made. Only a little more than 10 years after this came out, world War 2 would kick off and you'd have not only bombers but a mirage of experimental aircraft that could reach extreme altitudes, speeds and other feets in the air when powered flight had not even been a reality only a little over 3 decades before. We like to recognize how fast some of our technology develops with smartphones and such..and yes, it is an exponential curve but still not the stark contrast we think it always was compared to the past. Before 1907, a hot air balloon or dirigilbe was your means or air travel and had been for quite some time. Think how little those changed since their first inventions in 1783 and 1852 respectfully. Now consider the Wright Flyer of Kitty Hawk in 1907 and how quickly that developed into something making up full War worthy fighter squadrons and commercial crafts able to carry 23-32 passengers. That was the DC-3, the first commercial airline with a cruising speed of 207 MPH and started its first route only SEVEN YEARS later! Yeah. 1914. Holy shit, right?! Let it sink in how quickly that progressed and if you would want to get into a supposedly refined version of something that didn't exist only 8 years before and go up thousands of feet in it with your lives in the hands of a couple guys operating it. Yes..planes were RELATIVELY new but they were not unfamiliar by the time this came out.
Avery a belated Happy Groundhogs day to you. I never heard of this character, Mikey Mouse
I do like me some older stuff. Sadly my playlists mainly British & Canadian ones took a hit with a lot of deleted & some blocked vids, so i had balance them with my existing ones. I did some watching AUS movies like the 2nd Chance movies, the Alice-Miranda movie sequel, The Disrupted short film trilogy, which focused on disability kids and their struggles, they were really good imo, even had some changes to the AUS playlists quite a bit so it helps for me & anyone else who are looking for something to watch & see for the first time or nostalgia.
I would love to see you cover more of these kinds of cartoons. Especially the Cab Calloway Betty Boop cartoons. Best ones out of the three imo are St. James Infirmary and Minnie the Moocher. Another great review Avery Can't wait for the next one.
OMG I haven’t seen some of these in 25 years. I mean, extreme core memories unlocked
If ya wanna make a horror outta this Mickey Mouse, they should make it like Judge Doom with the deaths being classic cartoon gags (anvil, dynamite, etc.)
Yeah. This Mickey Mouse is mean.
"Alcohol was illegal...the good drugs probably hadn't been invented yet"
I just spat coffee EVERYWHERE! XD
Excuse me, you did a good job doing this. Actually, I watched each when I was a kid. I grew up in the 90s as in the beginning of the 90s. So I understand how some of these cartoons may confuse the young audience out there. Believe it or not, the one I enjoyed of the three was well, actually, all 3 of them, because I grew up staying up watching them. And my mom did not know any of this because, honestly, I was able to be quiet as a mouse and believe. about we had one of those old tv's with the knobs, you know, knob TV. I was only 6 or 5 when I started staying up on watch TV, even though my sister and I were shared in the same bedroom when we were little. I was always able to watch it quietly when she's asleep. So yeah, I appreciate your hard work, miss. Keep the good work. I can even give you some more viewpoints on some of these good old classic cartoons
Definitely take a lookie at more oldies.
And is in the public domain...so a slasher with this Mickey would be so fun to see :)
There are already two in the making I'm pretty sure 😅
Old cartoons are f***ing crazy is a pretty good summary of all the cartoons from the 20s and 30s. 😂
The wiener dog in Plane Crazy is my fav of the oldie designs.
You’re forgetting The Gallopin Gaucho. It’s the second silent Mickey Mouse cartoon to make its debut right after Plane Crazy and just before Steamboat Willie the third Mickey Mouse and respectfully first to have sound and music. I’m not so sure if you’re allowed to review The Mad Doctor because that won’t be in The Public Domain for at least a few more years. The first three Pre-Mickeys are.
I can review anything because it's fair use. I just have to only put in what I'm directly talking about where as I could upload the entirety of public domain works without changing them and it would be legal.
@@AveryTalksAboutStuff Okay.
Do you plan to bring back Beyond Belief Reactions or Watch Lady Terminator?
Yes to both! Hopefully soon.
What’s interesting that this is the third incarnation of Pete (the cat captain) in public domain
Wacky retro public-domain material...yeah, it's a fair market.
I like looking at old cartoons.
I would love to dive more in to
Disney
WB
MGM
Universal
Silent films (live and animated)
Hanna Barbera
Max Fleischer
I have seen some CRAZY weird stuff from the late 1800s to the early 1900s like Right at the start is where a lot of insanity is
the 20s get crazy too 30s was a lot of Depression era Poor man vs Cop or Land Lord films
40s is our War Propaganda era and those are fun
50s has the fun of the super clean strait conservative
then when you hit the 60s and 70s you get the weird experimental Hippie stuff like Skidoo
and every thing you said was 100% right don't apologize for any thing.
Today, I learned that cartoon mouses can change for the better. Still worth every penny
A spider skeleton is a truly unnatural thing
oh, so we're just cAnCeLLiNg miCkEy MoUSe nOW?
i tHoT tHiS wAS MuRICA!!!!1!!
Slightly off topic but the does make me wonder what’s happening with the old Universal horror films in the next few years. Dracula and Frankenstein become public domain in 2027. What happens?? Universal does nothing and it becomes public property?? They make subtle changes like adding music but now you’re compromising the original works?? Raises lots of questions.
As far as I'm aware Disney fought to stop any form of mickey out of public domain but it's the law so I assume the same thing will happen with universal horror.
Yeah true though to be fair it’s only that iteration. Further incarnations will still be under the holders claim until that expires so in Disney’s case it’s not like Mickey in all incarnations is gone. Just that particular version.
i wouldn't say Minnie Mouse is crazy, I'd say she's fuckin Goofy...
Also, how’s your show going?
Good! I have to post the mini series I helped make for it last week on insta
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On my way home last night, I thought of an old, but relatively obscure Disney film that I haven't seen in a while and I think it's right up your alley. It's called Child of Glass. It's from 1978 and is basically about the ghost of a girl in the south (Louisiana, I think) who haunts and enlist the help of a boy named Alexander to solve her mystery.
In the "Mad Doctor" the main song they're playing throughout is called "The Old Kent Road", which I mostly know from Shirley Temple's version of Little Princess.