Why Super Paper Mario Is An Underrated Masterpiece
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
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Not confirmed, but I'm pretty sure everytime Count Bleck speaks, he is actually reading his own lines in the Dark Prognosticus.
It explains why he refers to himself in the third person and also explains the random "asked/says Count Bleck" within his dialogues.
He detached himself from the world that betrayed him so much he doesn't even speak his own thoughts.
Until he finds Timpani again. It's these little things that I appreciate in this games.
A shame the lore bits found here and there about the Ancients, Pixls, etc. will never truly be expanded on.
Thats actually really cool.
Wait that's a really good character interpretation. It makes so much sense
i used to think the "says count bleck" parts were a weird thing he says
that makes so much sense now
oh my god that is genius
Homie calling him Dimention when the background footage literally has him saying "I'm Dimentio"
Calling tippi “teepee” and spelling it tipi
Calling O’Chunks Crunch
Calling dimentio dimension
I swear it’s on purpose haha. It’s fine tho, just a little funny
Bro is gonna call Mario: March
He also said Intelligent Systems developed the original Super Mario Bros.
At least he did not call Bowser "Browser"
And this is his favorite game?!? Smh
Something to correct from the video:
Count Bleck's plan wan't to destroy a universe, it was to destroy all universes, aka the multiverse.
The difference is that by destroying all universes not only you destroy a possibility for existance, but all of them.
This is proven by statement about Void
It is stated that it will destroy all existence once the time comes
Dude, that means entire cosmology is fricked
Dimension & Crunch.
Mini, Count Black and Tympanum
I played this game about 3 or 4 years ago and i really loved it. This was the last game on my Wii that i played before the 1 and 2 buttons of my wiimote stopped working, the story, the characters and the gameplay were amazing to me. I'm glad there are people who also apreciate this game, it was different from the previous games, sure, but different in a well executed way (unlike the next 2 paper mario games).
Tucked up in crib with Dimention (Dimention, Dimention)
Tucked up in crib with Teepee (Teepee, Teepee)
Literally played this nonstop when I was a kid. I can't believe it's not talked about more because I played through it at least 5 times without ever getting bored. I remember starting a new game over and over again just to replay Mimi's Mansion and run away from her creepy spider transformation lol
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Idk if this is correct but I hate how your saying demento or however you spell that cus I thought it was pronounced de-ment-e-o
You're right. I just mis-pronounced it
Dementio, master of dimensions', name is probably pronounced similar to his epithet, as in de-men-tcho or de-men-sho not de-men-tee-oh
The gameplay is mid. Not bad, just mid. But the STORY is GOATED.
You remember what that black guy with lightning advised you? I think it's a good time to listen to him
@@LegoWhisbecauseyes perhaps you should instead, I'm right.
The story is great, charcaters r written amazingly just not a fan of the actualy gameplay or art style of the worlds and levels sadly
But other than that good vid bud.
Whenever story in video games is brought up, I will always bring up Super Paper Mario's story, and the cinematic presentation of Super Mario Galaxy as an example of why simple games can have deep stories.
O'Chunks, Mimi, and Nastasia do get a bit more development if you talk with Carson the bartender at The Overthere coffee shop in Flopside, as he (and his Flipside counterpart Garson) have a bunch of stories that flesh out the backstories of both the villains and the overall setting with the Tribe of Ancients and the Pixels.
There was a cool theory about Nastasia reading the Dark Prognosticus, which informed her that Dimentio would try to end Count Bleck. However, in turning the book's pages, she became the new owner of the Dark Prognosticus and bearer of its misfortune. Hence, she could confidently state that Count Bleck (freed from the Dark Prognosticus) and Tippi had a happy ending.
Thank you for providing a feast for the starving SPM Community, I wish you greater success in the future
I feel most people overlooked it because it wasnt turn based combat. Thats why I didnt look at it at first. Then a relative was like "you liked that paper mario game right? I got you another" and i started it up thinking 'ill play for a bit out of respect and then play something else', but i was so wrong. I played through that thing passionately, feeling like the story was made just for me when i played it in my teen years.
Me when I hear "Yeah, but have you played The Thousand Year Door?" -____-
Honestly I’m excited to play it. I mean super is my first ever paper Mario game, but as much as I don’t think the story can be topped, the gameplay… idk. I mean the only rpg I’ve ever done is Mario and Luigi so I’m excited for the remake and my first try with thousand year door
I love Super! It has such a dark story and has so many twists and turns that I absolutely adore. And yes, TTYD is one of my favourite games, sadly it isn't my favourite
@@StyleSnivy I liked the gameplay better, than TTYD.
@@iliakazakov5947 well after playing the remake of ttyd I must say I prefer its gameplay. The story was also fire though I admit not as good as super
the dark Prognosticus was actuly said to in lore have come first. the Light one was made to try and counter it.
Yeah, why else should the Light one exist?
Good can only fight Evil when it announces itself
Yeah, it's even stated that the Dark Prognosticus is the true prophecy and that all the Light Prognosticus' prophecy can do is to keep delaying that prophecy as long as possible, even though most believe and follow the Light, not knowing it's not the true prophecy.
*+PARRY* basically
Ah, one of my favourite childhood games finally gets the recognition it deserves.
Yess
Definitely the best, most engaging story in any Mario game ever. Absolutely enjoyed this game to death!
Same. This is my favorite game of all time!
I absolutely despise the flopside pit of 100 trials
@@MikeDoesStuff_0 I haven't tried the Flopside Pit of 100 Trials yet, but I believe you. Having to do it over again is just aggravating!
the art style is honestly so cool, it’s really a result of its time being inspired by computer generation it just looks really cool
love how super paper mario is getting more recognision over the past few years
As a super paper mario fan, I state, it really is a pity that you're so off the radar. This video was amazing. Never give up. You have a great future ahead of you.
Thanks
Considering the video has only been out for a week and a half and has 1k views, it’s doing pretty good
Definitely the best game in the series
Literally gave me chills watching this video and playing the game. People are so quick to judge without even giving it a chance.this video should have more views
As an avid fan of the original Paper Mario and Thousand Year Door, I was once skeptical of SPM. Then I got a Wii and saw Sticker Star announced...figured it'd be worth giving SPM a try. I tell anyone constantly, if you loved the first 2 games, you will still absolutely adore SPM just get over the doubt and see what they actually did with it.
Bro did a good breakdown of the game, but the pronunciation of Dimentio and Tippi aggrevated me. Was that part of the plan for engagement? Genius
That and Nastasia. For me. Matt Patt and game theory kinda popularized this new pronunciation. But Ten years ago, a lot of the fandom pronounced it like Anastasia without that first A.
Not to mention your first playthrough and you didn't know about or explored enough to figure out the password and thought you had to manually make 1,000,000 rubys. Rubber band on the d-pad while doing something else😂😂
My brother and I would take turns holding down the D-Pad lol
@@JPGG907and figuring out the water temple before we got wifi. That stupid key under that block in the center tower😂
@idkidk4334 that was my greatest achievement in videos games ever, is beating the water temple in OOT on the wii without a guide
@@idkidk4334I played OoT for the first time in 2023 and I am sad to say that I was not able to beat the water temple without a guide because of that same stupid block. And I hate using guides, probably 1 of only 3 times I have ever used a guide. And then to find out it wasn't even really a puzzle was rather upsetting 😅 That was the only part I needed a guide for though and put it away after that.
I think the game's better for being a platformer than it would've been as another RPG. It has some paper and RPG elements, so it's not just a platformer like other 2D Mario games, but it's also not exactly the same as the other Paper Mario games either because it doesn't lock you into turn-based combat. I think it winds up being more unique gameplaywise as a result and that's a very good thing.
The games that came after it didn't live up to the rest of the series, and they have their own gameplay-focused changes, so a lot of people tend to put the dividing line on the wrong side of this game for where things started to go wrong, but that's often assumptions from people who haven't really even played it.
At some point after this game, before the next, Nintendo stopped allowing the creation of new characters in the series, and you really can't make an RPG well like that, as RPGs focus hard on story stuff. If that had been applied to this game, Bowser in the party would've been a Toad named Toad instead, Count Bleck would be replaced with Bowser, all the NPCs would be named Toad (& shaped accordingly)... The game would've lost everything it is with very little gameplay changes.
I feel it would've been better by dropping more of the RPG elements (HP, Attack Power, experience points/leveling up, inventory of consumables) and making the platformer controls less slippery _or_ by deepening the RPG elements a little. For me it sits in exactly the wrong zone as both an avid platformer fan and an avid RPG fan. Actually, "make the platformer controls less slippery" would fix most of its combat and navigation issues, leaving only its terrible level design.
fantastic intro. memory gotta be one of my favorite songs from any video game honestly. really glad to see such a goated game get more attention as the years have gone on
Amazing Video. I really felt all the wonderful memories of a younger me playing the game for the first time rushing back as the video continued. Keep up the good work my friend! 🙌
Game Theory: Dimentio is one of the ancients, but evil
Actually one of the stories in the game heavily implies that he is the son (or descended from) the original magician in the ancients that invented Pixls to begin with
It’s told be Carson
Super paper mario was so badass to me as a kid i never understood the hate behind this game
You can choose not to put on the space helmet and die as Mario.
If they could make another paper Mario with a story as good as this one, and fix the gameplay issues, it would surpass ttyd.
5:36 wrong. Mario has 2 unique abilities, to turn into 3d, and to crouch. Yeah no other character can crouch but mario for some reason
Wait seriously??? I’ve played the whole game is this for real?
@@StyleSnivy i think theres maybe one time where you need to crouch
@@StyleSnivy Luigi's crouch is the charge up for his super jump, Peach's is her parasol shield, Bowser's is that he leans forward while breathing fire. So it's less "only Mario can crouch" and more "everyone else's crouch has an additional effect"
This game is definitely a masterpiece but I wouldn’t call it underrated. It was a decade ago but now a days it feels like it gets the recognition it deserves.
There's definitely a sizeable portion of people who act like its cons are way worse than they are and downplay how great its pros are. They tend to be the same people who downplay the issues with modern Paper Mario (especially TOK) and/or condemn the backtracking in TTYD as some major flaw that brings it down. To them, SPM isn't notable for its story and world and lore and characters, it's notable for having an obnoxious block puzzle and gags that waste the player's time, a greater sin than anything committed in later Paper Mario games, and it having a better story HARDLY makes up for that. Heck in some cases they also call the story a bad fanfiction and "at least newer games know they're Mario games"
It's those people that make me still consider it underrated. I see those takes pop up a lot on Twitter and Reddit and I've even been downvoted for making cases against them before. Classic Paper Mario as a whole isn't as unanimously loved as it once was, but SPM has definitely taken the biggest hit. I'd say the peak of its popularity was during Sticker Star and Color Splash's era, but even then there was a sizable group that lumped it in with the modern PM games, back when the modern PM games were a category everybody hated. TOK has definitely had the effect of softening the reputation of modern Paper Mario and directing more scrutiny to how good the classic games really were, with SPM having the most flaws to pick apart so it got hit the hardest with that.
@@fawfulthegreat64 Honestly that’s really interesting. I don’t use Twitter and I barely go on Reddit so I guess I don’t really see those takes as much. It’s disappointing that people downvote you for having a different opinion but both those sites are more so built for echo chambers rather than nuanced conversations so that’s not surprising. The main consensus I see from TH-cam videos and TH-cam comments is that super paper Mario is an underrated gem that no one talks about. I did notice how TOK caused the reputation of the original paper Mario games and its fans to plummet but I didn’t know it had that much of an effect on SPM.
Amazing video. It feels me with joy seeing people putting into words their love for Super Paper Mario.
This was actually my first paper Mario game in the series! My second was when I learned what the whole series was in retrospect and it was… color splash (oh no). Then I played TTYD.
This game gave me such a mind opening experience as a kid with Mario’s stories. Never mind that he’s just running through spaces attempting to stop a world eating void and canonically climbs out of hell to low dif Satan, this game made me (as a kid) stop skipping in game cutscenes because of how invested I was getting.
Side note: I can’t imagine what people who played TTYD thought playing through chapter 6, thinking they’d get another glitz vile, but OOOOH NO
don't hate on the mispronunciations 😆, it's a great video
The only real problem I have is the linearity of the worlds. You've got all these big exploration focused subchapters, but at the end of each you just get a one way teleport to the next section and it makes the world feel disjointed. If they ever remake this gem id really like it if they went full metroidvania on each of the worlds (cept for world 6 of course)
It's actually pronounced dimentio I think. 😅
Same here. To be fair, I don't really get why people try to bring down this game. It is mostly always one of two things, the gameplay or the story. Some people say that the gameplay is not good but I disagree. There is people that don't say it because this game isn't turn-based, but because they just don't like how this thing plays but I don't get that. This as is, as a platformer RPG, is really fun. The thing that people most often hails about this game is the story and some people say that it is the only good thing while the gameplay is bad, but the gameplay is as good. If this thing didn't have the story that it has I would still like playing it.
And even then, there is people who try to bring down the story. Mostly because this just isn't a Mario story, it is an original story with its original characters and Mario just taped on it for marketing or something. But you know, I think that that is right, and if it is I just don't care. It is neat having something this varied in a Mario game. I think that the same thing can be said to an extent about the story of TTYD, it's lore is about a place not aligned with the normal Mario places, and people don't complain. It is just that this game goes farther but that is ok.
Of course, there is also people that try to bring this thing down by saying that it started the thing about the Paper Mario series changing for the worse, but that is not true. This game was meant to be a spin-off game, that is why it changes up the formula. Sticker Star was meant to go back to the normal formula, but then things happened on _that_ game's development, unrelated to Super. People should instead recognize how this game tries to merge RPG and platformers, because at the end of the day it IS an RPG with its levelling up mechanic, which some people cannot see for some reason, and I don't know if other game has tried to do that yet.
I’m torn on Super Paper Mario. It’s not really a bad game, but I wanted an RPG. I can definitely see some remnants of classic Paper Mario writing and world building. I love Count Bleck and Dimentio. I’m generally not a fan of the game’s art style. I think it looks too simple and ugly. The gameplay I don’t mind so much simply because Sticker Star, Color Splash and Origami King’s instead waste your time.
I'm currently more than halfway through the ttyd switch port and man, I never knew a LOT of stuff was carried over to Super. The partner abilities and the curses are tied to the Pixels just like the ultra jump is tied to Luigi. Obviously the npc's are back and Merlon has the role of Professor Frankly (but Merlon occasionally leaves his house), a few items return like the Shooting Star and Art Attack being used with the ghost Shroom, Of course Stylish moves are back and playing with Bowser is enjoyable because it feels the same as playing an actual Bowser stage. What I love the most is finding what was carried over in what way, shape or form. I also just noticed the photos in the background of the opening cutscene Mario has both sets of partners from 64 and TTYD.
I've always thought of Count Bleck as the personification of grief. Without explaining too much, he sporadically goes between denial, depression, anger, and bargaining. That is until the end of the game when he finally reaches acceptance.
It is worth mentioning that the stages are not always in the same order that we think of them in. As such, he does not necessarily go through those phases in a particular order.
This game is probably the Mario game most similar to a Sonic game. They are both platformers and have more Complacated stories.
Mario Frontiers
That intro so cool omg
I love Crunch
10/10 game! Made me cry to sleep that night after the ending of the game.
Magnificent video, SPM is sooo good, specially for the story, which surprises me that then at the time, the players when asked about it said it was the worst part??? And it led to sticker star...
As why was it recieved poorly it definetly is because it abandoned the turn based combat, I kinda wish it was like a spinoff of paper mario if that makes sense, then the series could've remained as it was and maybe get more spm style games as well
It's very nice to hear somebody say nice things about this game, as I've always enjoyed it. Subscribing to push you closer to that 1k milestone.
Thanks bro!
it really is~
i remember obtaining a copy and playing it on my totally legit wii. it was laggy and my device was practically dying, but i think i almost played it the whole way through.
i wish i had such dedication for games nowadays
Lore of Why Super Paper Mario is an Underrated Masterpiece momentum 100
I remember as a kid I got confused by the after game section where Francis makes Tipton I thought that he turned timpani into a robot but I think it was just a creation made to look like tipi
The intro gave me so hard chills dude.
Game is not underrated at all
Mr. L IS LUIGI?!?!?!?
WAIT REALLY? NO WAY?!
no theyre very different
Cap
They are completely different
People thinking Mr. L is Luigi are kind of people to think Crossbones is Sans
@@LegoWhisbecauseyes isn't it kinda the same thing
My assessment is that this game is the most mixed bag of the Paper Mario games. The first Paper Mario is a lot safer and a lot more consistent, Thousand Year Door is a lot more refined, this game has a few high points and boy are its low points ever low...a few fun characters but boy howdy do I ever hate its not fun characters, a few good gameplay ideas but boy oh boy are a lot of its levels completely unpleasant to navigate or play through.
Sticker Star is a negative value game where there's only enough good things in it to get angry at it, the opposite of Super Paper Mario being a good game at its core but bogged down by bad decisions Sticker Star is a terrible game from the bottom up with the devs occasionally having a good idea that shines through in spite of their limitations. Color Splash is just Sticker Star again with slightly less of the bad. Origami King is its own new unique flavor of bland. Paper Jam kills two Mario RPG franchises at once and undermines the presumed conceits of both.
FInally
While TTYD is my first introduction to Paper Mario, SPM means more to me because of its story. Nowadays I think the gameplay of TTYD is better, but my heart just belongs to SPM as my favorite Paper Mario game because it was the first game where little kid me actually read the text than skipping over every dialog.
I was a ttyd super fan, but when this game came out I wanted it so bad and played it so much, I got to the rupee farming segment on the first night I think. It’s fun as fuck man. The gameplay change didn’t deter me because I could tell it was fun. now sticker star…. I knew.
15:28 "Eventually a double crosser minion named 'Dimention' (which I'll get into in a bit here) uses HER abilities to kill Luigi"
what is even going on
Nice comment farming I suppose, kinda takes me out of the analysis though
transfem dimention 🥺
I love SPM, very good video, you are very underrated
As someone who never got the opportunity to play super paper mario due to losing my Wii-mote, seeing videos like this makes me want to save up for a copy of this game some day. Amazing video! :D
This is a good video but did you go out of your way to get almost every single characters name wrong on purpose 😅 really love SPM and still coping for a new game in that style some day
Someone that agrees with me
SUPER PAPER MARIO NATION RISE UP!!!!!!
RARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!
*insert smbz mecha sonic transformation here*
wow! so many people making videos about my very first game!
Amazing video, man.
captain crunch was in fact my favorite character from this game
23:08 "It's not important"
Definitely not. XD
I love this game. thank you so much.
One of the best games no cap
you're smoking crack if you still think this game is underrated
It might not be underrated with Paper Mario fans, but it is underrated in general.
You're the type of people to call Pizza Tower bad
@@LegoWhisbecauseyes Nah man Pizza Tower is awesome. Don't know what that has to do with what I said anyway
I love SPM but underrated is arguably the last word I would use to describe it. Anyone who hates it just seems to hate it because it’s “cool” to do so
Or says the above average writing doesn't make up for excruciatingly bad level design and clumsy controls.
This game isn’t underrated
Yes it is. Especially now ever since they started remaking games.
@@kumaranrvn5716 Ok well it’s not that underrated.
Masterpiece? I get it's probably for views, but that's a bit of a stretch. It's a pretty great game, but idk about masterpiece. I'll change my mind if you can convince me
its a masterpiece
You checked out the story? Idc about Count Bleck and Tippi's story but Dimentio...
@@LegoWhisbecauseyes it's a fun story for sure, but that's gonna carry a blossoming franchise that I loved
Yeah no it's a masterpiece
Omg, this needs more attention omg 🫢
This game only needed turn based battles, and a better hub world than flipside, (something more like Rogueport), and badges not the cards, and it would be on par with TTYD. All in all though its a phenomenal game with an incredible story. Liked the video!
To be honest though, TTYD isn't necessarily better than Super by default- They're very different games aiming for very different approaches in the same series- It all depends in what one values more in a Paper Mario game. TTYD is an adventure, it feels as such. The journey, the NPCs you meet, the interactions you have, they're much stronger in TTYD than Super, though Super is much more of a story with the end goal being more prioritised than the adventure Mario goes on itself.- The more flat and easy game play, the minimal NPCs, keeps the focus of the player on the end goal of closing the void and fuelling Tippi and Blumiere's story. Both are incredible games, but depending on what you value more in a Paper Mario game, the "better" title is quite subjective in my opinion