I really enjoyed how each of you had your own talking points. I appreciated how one was the "novice" and asked to espouse on a particular topic. Great formula!
It's nice to hear from someone who recognizes the way these were done was quite intentional on my part. If this had not been a conversation, it would have put people to sleep. :)
The DC wiring of control blocks etc was a major reason I never build a complex layout when I was younger and DCC was not a thing yet. I’ve been afraid of DCC but with this explanation I feel much more confident to go DCC.
If you or anyone you care about want(s) to get into model railroading and have no clue how it all begins, watch this video and know whats going on with controlling your train. I have found this channel very handy as I invested in my hobby. And the analogy of DCC being like email even though there is a billion people on the net and yet it specifically goes to you was very well said.
I am most appreciative of the information that you guys are sharing. I had been into the model railroading hobby 50 years ago. So much has changed. I plan to return once again to my favorite hobby. Thank you for bringing us up to full throttle.
@@swworrelljr2 yes I did. I went with Digitrax Zypher Express. I like how easy it is to program and change CVs. Also it's the same system our local club uses, so that had a lot to do with my choice.Im currently changing my layout...again... but you can check out some videos from my first one.
I'm very new to model railroading & am doing everything I can to soak up "stuff" about the hobby. This video is an excellent primer on the two most common control methods for model train layouts & I appreciate you taking time to make it for my learning!!!
this series is coming at the most immaculate timing for me, seeing as my son has got the bug for trains. so ofcourse my father and I dug up all our very old HO scales. I didn't know where to start and what track to buy, but thanks to you guys I can lead the prospect!!! can't wait for the next episode!!
I'm ol school and this was very informative as to DCC. Really opened my eyes as to the advantages to using DCC, which will be my next opportunity. Thanks and great job!
I've been trying to stumble upon this topic since I notice my trains speeds drastically on a downward slope which doesn't look realistic at all. I tried searching google in phrases and in sentence but I'm quite sure the search engine had a hard time trying to figure what I'm looking for. So the term is DCC and I'm super thankful for the explanation! I''m new to the hobby and fell in love with it when I visited Japan. My country only has a few trains and isn't the best option to use for commuting so train modelling isn't a thing here and the hobby is considered non-existent. Good thing we have internet!.
I started the hobby the mid-70's and amassed a ton of legacy DC equipment. I know older DC Loco's can be retrofitted to run DCC but like with much in this hobby, do I spend thousands on decoders and other periphery equipment to go DCC, or do I just deal with the simplicity of DC for now. I finally moved to a home that I plan to stay in for awhile and I now have a dedicated space for my hobby. My plan is to wire the track in a way that will work with my current DC switches etc (Older Atlas switches) but with a cabling infrastructure that will allow me to upgrade to DCC when it makes sense for me. I can still work on my track to ensure I have a smooth running system with the DC. I would like to spend my money now on scenery, buildings, and other piece/parts that help me provide a very visually realistic layout. Also, I have 48 DC locomotives ranging from steam to diesel and I do want to be able to run them. I have made some more recent purchases and these loco's are DCC ready to they will be my first conversions for sure. Other thing is my layout is a U shaped layout the is approximately 12' long and 14' Wide so it is not big. I do not have operating sessions and generally I don't do massive switching maneuvers or run multiple trains. I enjoy the building and modeling more than I do running realistic operations...hence why I am in no rush to go DCC right out of the box. This is not intended to be a dis on this video since it explains DCC very well. This video certainly makes me push up my implementation timing but...money and time dictates!
Always do what's right for you. It's worth mentioning that a lot of people use the logic that "I have too many locos and it would be too expensive to change them all over to DCC" but keep in mind you never run all 48 at the same time. You could switch your favorite ones first. You might not even end up switching the others at all or if you do, just do them one at a time.
Thank You for breaking this down for me- as a kid i always wanted to have an engine on the back and front but could not have them back to back bc they would go in opposite directions - if i ever get back into it DCC has me sold! Thanks again!
I just bought a Canadian Pacific SD40-2 a lot like the one at 16:47, and this video is helping a lot in finding the right throttle for it to work. Thanks for the help!
Welcome back. There have been some significant improvements to the plastic molding processes since you left, resulting in plastic models with way more and better detail.
Want to see how crazy just go though all the videos on here , can decide which was more interesting , the HOn30 detailleurs or the museum quality engines with all the sounds
Great introduction. The only technical detail I thought was misleading was the one suggesting the DC knob is a current controller. It actually regulates voltage, as you correctly implied but your partner may have misstated. The amount of current “drawn” from the controller is determined by the locomotive using the energy at a given voltage. This is true with DCC running AC voltage as well. I point this out because it is important for hobbyists especially to have at least a basic and correct understanding of electrical concepts to ensure safe and trouble-free operation of their growing layouts. Thanks for your videos.
I like the technical explanation but wonder if most people want that level of detail. I would think most would just want to know if you move the knob this way it goes and if you move the knob the other way it stops. :D
DCC all the way. I did not have a problem giving up DC. No nostalgia, No holding on to old school DC. Ever since I was a kid late 70s early 80s, I dream of a day that I can operate multi trains on the same track without blocks. What I did not know that one day I would be controlling the trains wireless via my mobile phone and watch video from the cab! ESU Ecos with roco Z21 black!!! The future is here enjoy it.
just got back in the hobby after a 16 year hiatus... i have the NCE 5amp system, used it a lot way back when... set it up recently and completely forgot how to operate it... i'm gonna keep it but decided to temporarily go back to DC... DCC is nice but seems like it's getting way to tech heavy, i just wanna run some trains and do some switching... sound is nice too but i don't really have to have it... i'm building a switching layout right now, a dead end industrial lead with a few industries and a small yard, only one loco on it so i can get by with the DC powerpack for now till i get my "model railroad bearings" again... nice vid btw
Wow! I started this railroading hobby by buying a very old layout for $50 knowing NOTHING about model railroading. 1 year later the original set is almost scrapped, I got the Bachmann EZ track, a DCC controller and found out I was even less intelligent than I thought! I have 4 DC engines (beats me if they are DCC compatible) I didn’t’t even know what that meant until watching this video! OmG.. I have a long way to go..BUT at least I know what DCC compatible means now😊
I've never built my model railroad because judgment is heavy in this hobby. I weathered a Santa Fe Gp 38 one time. I thought it looked good for someone who had never done something like that. I showed it on hoping I could get some advice on what I could do to make it better if I had to. Everyone who looked at it pretty much called it trash and walked away. All the details that I did for a layout people just criticizeed what I did and never gave me advice on what I could do better. All my trains and planes are stored back and haven't seen the light of day in years.
" judgment is heavy in this hobby" ... You are so right, and it is usually from the wealthy people who can afford dozens of locomotives, tons of different rolling stock, and all the fancy "Bells & Whistles", but then again, snobbish arrogant superior attitudes are standard for rich people. I'm 74 and I built my layout back in the early 1970's (when it was an affordable hobby and NOT a "Rich Man's/Woman's" hobby). Strickly DC. Used plastic rail joiners on the hot rail to isolate blocks of tracks and DPDT toggle switches to control power to each block and which of my two controllers would operate that block. I only use two Loco's (one that takes cars from point A (off layout) to my yard to drop off/pick up and then to Point B (off layout) and back again. Other Loco to work the yard or service the industries on my layout. For me, the ONLY advantage to DCC would be the realistic sounds of the engine starting, throttling up/down, etc. and I can't justify the cost to convert my old engines to DCC or buy DCC ready/fitted Locomotives just for that. All my switches are manual and no auto-uncouplers. More realistic because it takes time for a brakeman to throw switches or uncouple cars. As far as landscaping & painting - I am NOT artistic and the "Hobby Snobs" would find plenty of flaws but it looks good to me and that is who I built it for ... ME! My advice is to ask yourself ... "What is more important? The praise and admiration of others or my own personal enjoyment?" So dig out those trains and have fun. If others don't like what you've done then just give them a heartfelt F. U. and enjoy YOUR layout. This old geezer wishes you all the best and happy railroading!
I just got this to say I had a DC 4x8 layout a long time ago with your videos onModel Railroading for beginners is awesome and I have learned so much in so little time I'm hooked on DDC and hope to build a new layout in the next 2 years, keep making such wonderful videos we sure need them in making the right decisions congrats guys
Great video for someone who has been out of the hobby for 30 years and is starting up again. DCC is amazing for what it is capable of. I would like to see a video on wiring for working automatic semaphore signals.
Nicely done...... Very succinct and easy to understand explanation of DCC, From someone brought up with the standard DC from childhood and long before DCC was invented. James Hennighan Yorkshire, England
Wow! DCC! Most impressive. I still have an Aroura Postage Stamp Train (1967), in it's box, with nickle silver track, one power unit ( a coverd wagon UP 510 ), one dummy unit, & 5 cars including a caboose ( # 510 ). The train was called No.4803 Cannon Ball. Now I need to go DCC.
Excellent video, Dan & John! I’ve always wanted to know more about DCC, and this presentation is clear and concise. Please cover the topic of LED lighting and its use in HO, S, and O scales in a future video. Thank you! 🚂
Awesome explanation. The last time I ran trains was 30 years ago, and it's amazing how much better technology has improved the hobby. I'm wondering: has signal control improved, as well?
Thanks Dan (and John), for all the wonderful Model Railroading 101 video's and information you post and share with all of us. They are great, and very informative.
Thank you for this video. Senior who lost ability to continue hobby years ago due to family commitments … Nuff Said. Was trying to find out what DC & DCC meant. You answered my question specifics fully. When I left the hobby I was using DC equipment with "Fly Wheels" and Transformers with a "Pulse" switch. This was a huge improvement to engines with out fly wheels. Since DCC is a big step forward in technology, is it necessary tinstall flywheels to engines? I noted that your premium equipped locomotive had fly wheels so I am assuming for the optimal experience, would you recommend DCC and fly wheels? Thanks for your attention and informative videos.
Hi John, I think most models come with flywheels and at least 3 pole motors nowadays so it shouldn't be necessary to add flywheels unless you're dealing with much older models like from when you were in the hobby before.
I've been asking this question for a while in this hobby. Can you plug more then one controller into an outlet or power strip. I've been thinking of buying 3 of the same controllers. The bachmann controller. And im thinking of having 3 tracks of bachmann ez track. But don't know where to plug the three controllers in without overloading the outlets.
Thank you. for talking about DCC I've always had AC now. I'm thinking about upgrading mine to DCC. I have a 10 foot layout as a DC. I've have problems all the time with my wiring. THANK YOU
DC: a heck of a lot cheaper, you can collect locomotives a lot faster. At most train shows dc locomotives can go as low as 5 dollars. A lot more user friendly. Just a motor and wires. Cons are the lights on most dc locomotives dim based on how slow the locomotive is going. Dcc: more than one locomotive or train running. Higher quality locomotives, but more expensive.
5 dollars DC locomotive Where!!!! lets make some business I pay you $15 and I sell them in my country!!. But that is the beauty of the hobby, at least in USA you have many options and prices
I like your videos over all others because you explain things like you are helping a person that just started in the hobby which is what most people watching I think would be besides the regular guys checking out some new stuff you don't just throw out a bunch of letters and terms someone new to the hobby has no idea what they are like DCC DCS and all technology other things that most of the guys making these videos only confuse someone new it's like they just want to show their engines and toss out a bunch of letters meaning nothing to a new guy at this so thankyou for the great explanations I could see me constantly coming back to this channel to refresh my knowledge that I think I know haha but thanks for thinking of us new guys at the hobby !!!
@@tsgmultimedia now to figure out the control system for myself I do like that digitrax I was looking at the mth one but there are so many extra components is there a simple base no remote that has it all in one type of station with command and TUI all in one base like a central base stationary
@@williamchisholm6702 Look for Digitrax "Zephyr" or NCE "Power Cab." Both are one unit that can power and operate a small layout without other components.
@@tsgmultimedia that's what I'm talking about can I operate 2 engines max on either or just the one on can always upgrade I'd I want to get a larger setup I'm just thinking 2 engines and rolling stock for now
Great video. Easy to understand. I'd like to see a basic wiring O'Gauge video. How to run the bus wire around your layout and how to connect the operating accessories to the bus wire. I've watched some videos on other channels about this but they are not that easy to understand.
Hello. I have a g scale SD-40 BNSF locomotive. I would like to use battery power for it. Underneath the locomotive there are switches. There is one switch that says motors. Can I be able to replace that switch for a potentiometer that varies the current to the motors? And intern have that device connected to a wireless system that activates another motor to turn that potentiometer to very the speed? I'm guessing that if I use a potentiometer, it would probably burn out if it's not enough amperage.
Great Video. I just received a 'beginners' Digitrax system for Christmas so your video is very appropriate for me. In the video, you mentioned that you can run two locomotives in a consist via programming. My system has inputs for two locos. Can I assume that I will need a controller for each locomotive beyond the two that are controlled by my unit if they are not running in a consist. Thanks again for a great video and I wish both of you a very Happy New Year.
If I've got a DC system how easy is it for me to convert to DCC? Just plug in a DCC controller to the positive and negative leads of the track or do I have to convert more than just the controller assuming I already have DCC ready engines.
HI MR101. I like your show. And I am one of DCC System user as first time, so I like to have your support to my request to update my information in DCC world. I am writing to you from my home SAUDI ARABIA. Good luck.
Wouldn't the dearly departed greats of the hobby, like John Allen, have loved DCC. John, the Wizard of Monterey, who prided himself on realism and realistic operation, would have been keen on this
I have a three main layout, with an attached yard.. I have four separate DC controllers. In this layout I can transfer trains from my yard area out onto the table, which starts with the outside main. From there I can transfers thru double crossover switches any train to the middle main or inside main..I think it’s quite complex, but I would like to set up a DCC controller. Will each main have a DCC controller? Surely not…. With the power polarized on the current layout I’ve gone to great lengths to keep all wiring compatible. Because the layout is so long, I have power feeders placed around the layout to keep the voltage up. So I was hoping that DCC will eliminate that need and give me better control throughout the layout… i don’t know if going DCC will actually help me considering how complex my wiring is. And it works! Everything’s is color coded and wired to junction points to keep everything orderly.. let me know what I may want to do…to improve engine functionality. I have many turnouts wired and set up, so that I can have a train waiting on these sidings (5) until the time I want to bring it out on the table, but…..Will I improve my layout by going to DCC?
I finally decided to take the plunge. The added cost of decoders for me is offset by the cost of buying toggle switches and the time spent doing all of the wiring (which is NOT my favorite of the hobby). My new DCC system should be here soon!
Would you say you are less in direct control of the motor with DCC? Since DCC delivers current via PWM you're limited to the controllers preset steps of current. That's what gives the gradual stop/start as it steps through the incremented values. With DC if you want to ramp up to speed you'll need to be precise in your handling of the throttle and that's what leads me to find DC more enjoyable as being in direct control of the engine.
Radio it works much like it and it searches for decoders attached to the track. DCC to run any system you just put it down on the track and get assigned a umber or name.
Im such a NERD. I still love stringing 1000 feet of wire under 40 blocks on a layout with 10 control panels. OK kidding. But just a bit. Because if you have 50 locos switching to DCC is a problem. NO MATTER. I do love the mental process of figuring out a block wiring system. Even mixing DCC and DC on the same layout.
Liked your video. Have some LGB electric and manual switches and control box but don’t know how to set then up. What do you think of Piko G scale? How can I tell if a train is DC or DCC?
Nice video! I have only ever used DC but now I'm sold on DCC. Can you do a video on wireless control and what systems can do that? I would love to control a Dcc layout from a I phone.
Thanks, Peter! Look for the Model Railroading 101 videos in the MR101 playlist that have JMRI listed as part of the topic. They start with this one: th-cam.com/video/xYZ9TMrMnqk/w-d-xo.html
AC have the advantage that the polarity doesn't matters. So if you changed the direction on one of the lokomotiv that would change direction. Which could be a problem if you cross sections with different controller.
I'm thinking about going DCC. I have a small layout on a hollow core door, just a simple oval with a couple of passing sidings and industries. I'm also thinking about building some T-Trak modules and using them to experiment with a DCC starter system and using sound.My only reservation, besides initial cost is I have a lot of N scale equipment that I've collected over the years that isn't DCC ready. Most of my newer stuff is, but hard wiring my older stuff scares the bejeebus out of me.
Try practicing on the ones that aren't as important to you. I have an old Bachmann Spectrum N scale Dash 8 that I am going to attempt to add DCC to some time in the not too distant future. If Dan's techniques prove anything, it's that most things are possible with some patience and the right approach. We have a program available commercially all about installing DCC in N Scale diesels, including some that were not made "DCC Ready." tsgmultimedia.com/product/n-dcc-installs-volume-1-digital-download/
I for one hope you made the conversion to DCC. When I changed over my fleet of N scale locos to DCCin 1995, I would never go back to DC. There's just so much more you can do to run your trains at realistic speeds with prototypical lighting and even sound... there are number of folks online who install and hardwire decoders in many scales. Some are expensive and others more reasonable.
Random question for you guys. Since you are using Kato Unitrack I was wondering how it was connected to the DCC control box. And since I am rather new to this I am curious what you used to connect the track to the DCC Box. It looks like an adaptor but I can't seem to figure out what you used. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
This was really helpful! Thanks! I am interested in how the whole keyboard and mouse with the monitor system will help me. I am building a small layout in order to learn all these things.
I want to build a simple yard layout....2 small engines, each with short cars. Can i set up a DC or DCC layout to allow the engines to automatically slow and reverse direction? It would allow me to display the layout without having to be constantly present.
Does the DC control make the engine power better on the locomotive model itself? What I mean by this is If I have two or three engines on my model or pending on what model I am building does it mean I have more power or does.it matter because I could have one engine because the DC power is DC power?
I have a question and it is just a thought. Using the DCC type system with the track powered all the time, is it possible to have a radio controlled device in the loco to regulate how much power the electric motor pulls from the track.
Great! Now I can explain to my non railfan friends why these aren't toys! Could you show us how to program smooth starting and stoping like the two SD40-2s?
I’ve got a good question for you. I have 20 to 30 locos, still in storage, that I’m getting ready to pull out and run again. While I’m pretty sure about most of them, having or not having DCC. There’s a few in question, without sound, that may have come with DCC. I believe those two are Bowser PRSL units. However, I’m not sure. Without me removing the shell, is there a quick way of deciphering this, without setting them in DCC track and possibly damaging them? I also plan on hooking up a double pole, double throw switch, so I can run any older ones that I don’t wish to convert. Thank you in advance! Great show, 👍 by the way! I subbed your channel. Love what you guys are doing! 🚂
You could always set up a programming track with JMRI Decoder Pro and ask the computer to read what's on the track. th-cam.com/video/xYZ9TMrMnqk/w-d-xo.html
What I can't understand is the pure short sitedness of DCC standard. That it's a one way system. Meaning, commands come from your throttle and are received by the train's dcc decoder (or accessory decoder). There is no feedback control, no way, at least in the standard, for a decoder to send information back. We can do better than this. I would love to have a new standard perhaps based on CAN bus or CAN-FD. I build my own DCC decoders using PIC microcontrollers. The signals are superimposed on the track by a DCC throttle or command station. Digitrax, for example, in their super chief system has two protocols. The protocol between their throttle and the base station is called loconet and is proprietary to digitrax. The command station converts loconet communications to a DCC signal that is superimposed onto the track. The superimposed DCC signal consists, at a very low level, a varing PWM (pulse width modulated) signal. A short pulse is a 1 and a larger pulse width is a 0. The 0s and 1s combine to make up a value (ex: 0011 = 3 in binary). The NMRA DCC standard has a table of what all these values refer too such as CV values, ditection, throttle, etc... Hope this helps anyone wondering. I did all this research on DCC after trying to return to the hobby as an adult and trying to see what current state of the art is in the hobby....
If you have a layout that has different loops/sections on a single track that can be isolated or combined with switches, can you make 1 train stay on one loop and a different train stay on another loop with dcc controlling everything like the switches and stuff? Imma rookie, had a HO scale train as a kid in the early 80s and never appreciated it, I want to make a frozen mountain for my N scale Bachman Xmas train, that’s why I’m watching train videos...but man, dcc intrigues me. I subscribed, hopefully you got an answer to my questions I posted here and another video of yours. Thanks for making them.
When I watched this 2 years back, I immediately went out and bought a dcc system, it's worth it
I really enjoyed how each of you had your own talking points. I appreciated how one was the "novice" and asked to espouse on a particular topic. Great formula!
It's nice to hear from someone who recognizes the way these were done was quite intentional on my part. If this had not been a conversation, it would have put people to sleep. :)
After a 40 year hiatus and working to get back into reliving a childhood pastime, DCC is a new evolution to that past fun hobby
The DC wiring of control blocks etc was a major reason I never build a complex layout when I was younger and DCC was not a thing yet. I’ve been afraid of DCC but with this explanation I feel much more confident to go DCC.
If you or anyone you care about want(s) to get into model railroading and have no clue how it all begins, watch this video and know whats going on with controlling your train.
I have found this channel very handy as I invested in my hobby.
And the analogy of DCC being like email even though there is a billion people on the net and yet it specifically goes to you was very well said.
I am most appreciative of the information that you guys are sharing. I had been into the model railroading hobby 50 years ago. So much has changed. I plan to return once again to my favorite hobby. Thank you for bringing us up to full throttle.
Glad to help!
I'm convinced. I need to go DCC.
Hey Jeff just found this video and seen top comment. So did you go DCC?
@@swworrelljr2 yes I did. I went with Digitrax Zypher Express. I like how easy it is to program and change CVs. Also it's the same system our local club uses, so that had a lot to do with my choice.Im currently changing my layout...again... but you can check out some videos from my first one.
Riley39 is the first
BRAVO! You just answered about 50 questions I had about DCC. I think I'll go ahead with in on our new layout with the grandsons!
I'm an Electronics Engineer, and I found this usefull and informative, a good introduction, well done.
I'm very new to model railroading & am doing everything I can to soak up "stuff" about the hobby. This video is an excellent primer on the two most common control methods for model train layouts & I appreciate you taking time to make it for my learning!!!
this series is coming at the most immaculate timing for me, seeing as my son has got the bug for trains. so ofcourse my father and I dug up all our very old HO scales. I didn't know where to start and what track to buy, but thanks to you guys I can lead the prospect!!! can't wait for the next episode!!
Thanks for watching!
God...your explaining is perfect....First time I have DCC explained properly....again. thanks for the good work. Cheers!
This was the best explanation yet of the different scales for model trains. Thanks for sharing! 🙂👍
Glad it was helpful!
I'm ol school and this was very informative as to DCC. Really opened my eyes as to the advantages to using DCC, which will be my next opportunity. Thanks and great job!
I've been trying to stumble upon this topic since I notice my trains speeds drastically on a downward slope which doesn't look realistic at all. I tried searching google in phrases and in sentence but I'm quite sure the search engine had a hard time trying to figure what I'm looking for. So the term is DCC and I'm super thankful for the explanation! I''m new to the hobby and fell in love with it when I visited Japan. My country only has a few trains and isn't the best option to use for commuting so train modelling isn't a thing here and the hobby is considered non-existent. Good thing we have internet!.
I feel ljke a criminal watching such amazing content for free. This stuff is very informative and way too fun!
Thanks! If your feelings of guilt are overwhelming, you can always go to Patreon and help support this channel! :)
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I started the hobby the mid-70's and amassed a ton of legacy DC equipment. I know older DC Loco's can be retrofitted to run DCC but like with much in this hobby, do I spend thousands on decoders and other periphery equipment to go DCC, or do I just deal with the simplicity of DC for now. I finally moved to a home that I plan to stay in for awhile and I now have a dedicated space for my hobby. My plan is to wire the track in a way that will work with my current DC switches etc (Older Atlas switches) but with a cabling infrastructure that will allow me to upgrade to DCC when it makes sense for me. I can still work on my track to ensure I have a smooth running system with the DC. I would like to spend my money now on scenery, buildings, and other piece/parts that help me provide a very visually realistic layout. Also, I have 48 DC locomotives ranging from steam to diesel and I do want to be able to run them. I have made some more recent purchases and these loco's are DCC ready to they will be my first conversions for sure. Other thing is my layout is a U shaped layout the is approximately 12' long and 14' Wide so it is not big. I do not have operating sessions and generally I don't do massive switching maneuvers or run multiple trains. I enjoy the building and modeling more than I do running realistic operations...hence why I am in no rush to go DCC right out of the box. This is not intended to be a dis on this video since it explains DCC very well. This video certainly makes me push up my implementation timing but...money and time dictates!
Always do what's right for you. It's worth mentioning that a lot of people use the logic that "I have too many locos and it would be too expensive to change them all over to DCC" but keep in mind you never run all 48 at the same time. You could switch your favorite ones first. You might not even end up switching the others at all or if you do, just do them one at a time.
Thank You for breaking this down for me- as a kid i always wanted to have an engine on the back and front but could not have them back to back bc they would go in opposite directions - if i ever get back into it DCC has me sold! Thanks again!
I just bought a Canadian Pacific SD40-2 a lot like the one at 16:47, and this video is helping a lot in finding the right throttle for it to work. Thanks for the help!
This was a very helpful video. I'm a DC guy for decades but DCC is awesome. Thanks so much for this instructional video. 👍
Finally,I get to build my N layout after 20 years,and the wait was worth it with DCC,no blocks
I'm getting back into model railroading after 17 year hiatus. I'm amazed by the new technology and options
Welcome back. There have been some significant improvements to the plastic molding processes since you left, resulting in plastic models with way more and better detail.
Want to see how crazy just go though all the videos on here , can decide which was more interesting , the HOn30 detailleurs or the museum quality engines with all the sounds
Great video! Even though I'm a not a beginner, I still enjoy watching this series. I'd recommend this series to beginners.
You just made up my mind. DCC will be in my future. Thanks guys for the very informative video.
I'm glad it helped! Regardless of which way you go, the best policy is to have fun!
thank you, I've been looking for someone to explain dcc in a way that makes sense .
Great introduction. The only technical detail I thought was misleading was the one suggesting the DC knob is a current controller. It actually regulates voltage, as you correctly implied but your partner may have misstated. The amount of current “drawn” from the controller is determined by the locomotive using the energy at a given voltage. This is true with DCC running AC voltage as well. I point this out because it is important for hobbyists especially to have at least a basic and correct understanding of electrical concepts to ensure safe and trouble-free operation of their growing layouts.
Thanks for your videos.
I like the technical explanation but wonder if most people want that level of detail. I would think most would just want to know if you move the knob this way it goes and if you move the knob the other way it stops. :D
Thank you! Just exploring my options after rediscovering a childhood hobby. Great information!
Super video, now I know what DCC can do. I come from old school railroad modeling and to me this is a great break through.
DCC all the way. I did not have a problem giving up DC. No nostalgia, No holding on to old school DC. Ever since I was a kid late 70s early 80s, I dream of a day that I can operate multi trains on the same track without blocks. What I did not know that one day I would be controlling the trains wireless via my mobile phone and watch video from the cab! ESU Ecos with roco Z21 black!!! The future is here enjoy it.
just got back in the hobby after a 16 year hiatus... i have the NCE 5amp system, used it a lot way back when... set it up recently and completely forgot how to operate it... i'm gonna keep it but decided to temporarily go back to DC... DCC is nice but seems like it's getting way to tech heavy, i just wanna run some trains and do some switching... sound is nice too but i don't really have to have it... i'm building a switching layout right now, a dead end industrial lead with a few industries and a small yard, only one loco on it so i can get by with the DC powerpack for now till i get my "model railroad bearings" again... nice vid btw
Wow! I started this railroading hobby by buying a very old layout for $50 knowing NOTHING about model railroading. 1 year later the original set is almost scrapped, I got the Bachmann EZ track, a DCC controller and found out I was even less intelligent than I thought! I have 4 DC engines (beats me if they are DCC compatible) I didn’t’t even know what that meant until watching this video! OmG.. I have a long way to go..BUT at least I know what DCC compatible means now😊
I've never built my model railroad because judgment is heavy in this hobby. I weathered a Santa Fe Gp 38 one time. I thought it looked good for someone who had never done something like that. I showed it on hoping I could get some advice on what I could do to make it better if I had to. Everyone who looked at it pretty much called it trash and walked away. All the details that I did for a layout people just criticizeed what I did and never gave me advice on what I could do better. All my trains and planes are stored back and haven't seen the light of day in years.
" judgment is heavy in this hobby" ... You are so right, and it is usually from the wealthy people who can afford dozens of locomotives, tons of different rolling stock, and all the fancy "Bells & Whistles", but then again, snobbish arrogant superior attitudes are standard for rich people.
I'm 74 and I built my layout back in the early 1970's (when it was an affordable hobby and NOT a "Rich Man's/Woman's" hobby). Strickly DC. Used plastic rail joiners on the hot rail to isolate blocks of tracks and DPDT toggle switches to control power to each block and which of my two controllers would operate that block. I only use two Loco's (one that takes cars from point A (off layout) to my yard to drop off/pick up and then to Point B (off layout) and back again. Other Loco to work the yard or service the industries on my layout. For me, the ONLY advantage to DCC would be the realistic sounds of the engine starting, throttling up/down, etc. and I can't justify the cost to convert my old engines to DCC or buy DCC ready/fitted Locomotives just for that. All my switches are manual and no auto-uncouplers. More realistic because it takes time for a brakeman to throw switches or uncouple cars.
As far as landscaping & painting - I am NOT artistic and the "Hobby Snobs" would find plenty of flaws but it looks good to me and that is who I built it for ... ME!
My advice is to ask yourself ... "What is more important? The praise and admiration of others or my own personal enjoyment?" So dig out those trains and have fun. If others don't like what you've done then just give them a heartfelt F. U. and enjoy YOUR layout.
This old geezer wishes you all the best and happy railroading!
I just got this to say I had a DC 4x8 layout a long time ago with your videos onModel Railroading for beginners is awesome and I have learned so much in so little time I'm hooked on DDC and hope to build a new layout in the next 2 years, keep making such wonderful videos we sure need them in making the right decisions congrats guys
Great video for someone who has been out of the hobby for 30 years and is starting up again. DCC is amazing for what it is capable of.
I would like to see a video on wiring for working automatic semaphore signals.
Fantastic thank you thank you. I did not realize that model trains had became computerized just like cameras. But it makes perfect sense!
Nicely done......
Very succinct and easy to understand explanation of DCC,
From someone brought up with the standard DC from childhood and long before DCC was invented.
James Hennighan
Yorkshire, England
Great explanation of the differences between DC and DCC. Thank you.
Wow! DCC! Most impressive. I still have an Aroura Postage Stamp Train (1967), in it's box, with nickle silver track, one power unit ( a coverd wagon UP 510 ), one dummy unit, & 5 cars including a caboose ( # 510 ). The train was called No.4803 Cannon Ball. Now I need to go DCC.
Excellent video, Dan & John! I’ve always wanted to know more about DCC, and this presentation is clear and concise.
Please cover the topic of LED lighting and its use in HO, S, and O scales in a future video. Thank you! 🚂
This was explained for dummies like me. Great job!
Awesome explanation. The last time I ran trains was 30 years ago, and it's amazing how much better technology has improved the hobby.
I'm wondering: has signal control improved, as well?
Thanks Dan (and John), for all the wonderful Model Railroading 101 video's and information you post and share with all of us. They are great, and very informative.
Thank you for this video. Senior who lost ability to continue hobby years ago due to family commitments … Nuff Said. Was trying to find out what DC & DCC meant. You answered my question specifics fully. When I left the hobby I was using DC equipment with "Fly Wheels" and Transformers with a "Pulse" switch. This was a huge improvement to engines with out fly wheels. Since DCC is a big step forward in technology, is it necessary tinstall flywheels to engines? I noted that your premium equipped locomotive had fly wheels so I am assuming for the optimal experience, would you recommend DCC and fly wheels? Thanks for your attention and informative videos.
Hi John,
I think most models come with flywheels and at least 3 pole motors nowadays so it shouldn't be necessary to add flywheels unless you're dealing with much older models like from when you were in the hobby before.
I've been asking this question for a while in this hobby.
Can you plug more then one controller into an outlet or power strip. I've been thinking of buying 3 of the same controllers. The bachmann controller. And im thinking of having 3 tracks of bachmann ez track. But don't know where to plug the three controllers in without overloading the outlets.
Very informative! Thank you for explaining the difference.
Finally a video that makes sense to a noob like me! Thanks guys!! Subscribed
Thank you. for talking about DCC I've always had AC now. I'm thinking about upgrading mine to DCC. I have a 10 foot layout as a DC. I've have problems all the time with my wiring. THANK YOU
I have that same DC control box but it has a momentum and brake switch and the other 2 spaces for lights indicate overload and brake
How about a segment on what to purchase for a first set.
That episode is about to go live on TH-cam right now. Let us know what you think of it.
Well, for one, if you're in HO, I would get the Bachmann Rail Chief.
DC: a heck of a lot cheaper, you can collect locomotives a lot faster. At most train shows dc locomotives can go as low as 5 dollars. A lot more user friendly. Just a motor and wires. Cons are the lights on most dc locomotives dim based on how slow the locomotive is going. Dcc: more than one locomotive or train running. Higher quality locomotives, but more expensive.
5 dollars DC locomotive Where!!!! lets make some business I pay you $15 and I sell them in my country!!. But that is the beauty of the hobby, at least in USA you have many options and prices
Stepdown transformer, N.O. Latching Switch, a Potentiometer, and conductive rail.... tonnes of Fun.
Glad to see another Digitrax User
Are you familiar with MRC tech 6. Understand it is DC and DCC and can be used on the same track plan to run both locomotives.
I like your videos over all others because you explain things like you are helping a person that just started in the hobby which is what most people watching I think would be besides the regular guys checking out some new stuff you don't just throw out a bunch of letters and terms someone new to the hobby has no idea what they are like DCC DCS and all technology other things that most of the guys making these videos only confuse someone new it's like they just want to show their engines and toss out a bunch of letters meaning nothing to a new guy at this so thankyou for the great explanations I could see me constantly coming back to this channel to refresh my knowledge that I think I know haha but thanks for thinking of us new guys at the hobby !!!
Thank you! That was the idea behind this series!
@@tsgmultimedia now to figure out the control system for myself I do like that digitrax I was looking at the mth one but there are so many extra components is there a simple base no remote that has it all in one type of station with command and TUI all in one base like a central base stationary
@@williamchisholm6702 Look for Digitrax "Zephyr" or NCE "Power Cab." Both are one unit that can power and operate a small layout without other components.
@@tsgmultimedia that's what I'm talking about can I operate 2 engines max on either or just the one on can always upgrade I'd I want to get a larger setup I'm just thinking 2 engines and rolling stock for now
@@tsgmultimedia thankyou so much for your help much appreciated! !?
just beginning and this was very helpful. thanks for the information
You two are the "John-boy and Billy" of model railroading. Very helpful. Thanks much.
Thanks for the video, thinking about getting back into it and saw this DCC thing and was like WTH is this? LOL Yeah its been a while. Thanks again....
That's awesome! Glad the video may have helped a little. You might enjoy the whole MR101 play list.
Great video. Easy to understand. I'd like to see a basic wiring O'Gauge video. How to run the bus wire around your layout and how to connect the operating accessories to the bus wire. I've watched some videos on other channels about this but they are not that easy to understand.
WOW! A lot of good questions & comments.
Verygood video on dcc and dcc boosters for larger train layouts and open grid model railroaders .
Thanks for watching!
Hello. I have a g scale SD-40 BNSF locomotive. I would like to use battery power for it. Underneath the locomotive there are switches. There is one switch that says motors. Can I be able to replace that switch for a potentiometer that varies the current to the motors? And intern have that device connected to a wireless system that activates another motor to turn that potentiometer to very the speed? I'm guessing that if I use a potentiometer, it would probably burn out if it's not enough amperage.
Great Video. I just received a 'beginners' Digitrax system for Christmas so your video is very appropriate for me. In the video, you mentioned that you can run two locomotives in a consist via programming. My system has inputs for two locos. Can I assume that I will need a controller for each locomotive beyond the two that are controlled by my unit if they are not running in a consist. Thanks again for a great video and I wish both of you a very Happy New Year.
Sorry for the delay. You can run two locos with one controller. Be careful that you don't have an accident!
Boy, do I ever wish I didn't give up my Lionel trains 50 years ago when I went to college. (I have a talent for fooling around with electrical items.)
great video dan and John, you guys are the best channel where i get information from plus I enjoyed the video very much
If I've got a DC system how easy is it for me to convert to DCC? Just plug in a DCC controller to the positive and negative leads of the track or do I have to convert more than just the controller assuming I already have DCC ready engines.
I'm a new convert to DCC. And much of my fleet is DCC ready.
Excellent Tutorial.
HI MR101. I like your show. And I am one of DCC System user as first time, so I like to have your support to my request to update my information in DCC world. I am writing to you from my home SAUDI ARABIA. Good luck.
Wouldn't the dearly departed greats of the hobby, like John Allen, have loved DCC. John, the Wizard of Monterey, who prided himself on realism and realistic operation, would have been keen on this
I have a three main layout, with an attached yard.. I have four separate DC controllers. In this layout I can transfer trains from my yard area out onto the table, which starts with the outside main. From there I can transfers thru double crossover switches any train to the middle main or inside main..I think it’s quite complex, but I would like to set up a DCC controller. Will each main have a DCC controller? Surely not…. With the power polarized on the current layout I’ve gone to great lengths to keep all wiring compatible. Because the layout is so long, I have power feeders placed around the layout to keep the voltage up. So I was hoping that DCC will eliminate that need and give me better control throughout the layout… i don’t know if going DCC will actually help me considering how complex my wiring is. And it works! Everything’s is color coded and wired to junction points to keep everything orderly.. let me know what I may want to do…to improve engine functionality. I have many turnouts wired and set up, so that I can have a train waiting on these sidings (5) until the time I want to bring it out on the table, but…..Will I improve my layout by going to DCC?
I finally decided to take the plunge. The added cost of decoders for me is offset by the cost of buying toggle switches and the time spent doing all of the wiring (which is NOT my favorite of the hobby). My new DCC system should be here soon!
Cool. I have been hoping to get a throttle soon so I can get accustomed to how they work, how to program a consist, etc...
Thank you for your show, I like to know how I can Convert old DC Engine to DCC and what type decoder I can use with sound?
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Never built a model Railroad but challenge accepted
Would you say you are less in direct control of the motor with DCC? Since DCC delivers current via PWM you're limited to the controllers preset steps of current. That's what gives the gradual stop/start as it steps through the incremented values. With DC if you want to ramp up to speed you'll need to be precise in your handling of the throttle and that's what leads me to find DC more enjoyable as being in direct control of the engine.
Not really. Locos with decoders that I've seen tend to have better and more accurate overall performance than straight DC ones.
Radio it works much like it and it searches for decoders attached to the track. DCC to run any system you just put it down on the track and get assigned a umber or name.
Im such a NERD. I still love stringing 1000 feet of wire under 40 blocks on a layout with 10 control panels. OK kidding. But just a bit. Because if you have 50 locos switching to DCC is a problem. NO MATTER. I do love the mental process of figuring out a block wiring system. Even mixing DCC and DC on the same layout.
Liked your video. Have some LGB electric and manual switches and control box but don’t know how to set then up. What do you think of Piko G scale? How can I tell if a train is DC or DCC?
Nice video! I have only ever used DC but now I'm sold on DCC.
Can you do a video on wireless control and what systems can do that? I would love to control a Dcc layout from a I phone.
Thanks, Peter! Look for the Model Railroading 101 videos in the MR101 playlist that have JMRI listed as part of the topic.
They start with this one: th-cam.com/video/xYZ9TMrMnqk/w-d-xo.html
Certainly appreciate this video. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
AC have the advantage that the polarity doesn't matters. So if you changed the direction on one of the lokomotiv that would change direction. Which could be a problem if you cross sections with different controller.
I'm thinking about going DCC. I have a small layout on a hollow core door, just a simple oval with a couple of passing sidings and industries. I'm also thinking about building some T-Trak modules and using them to experiment with a DCC starter system and using sound.My only reservation, besides initial cost is I have a lot of N scale equipment that I've collected over the years that isn't DCC ready. Most of my newer stuff is, but hard wiring my older stuff scares the bejeebus out of me.
Try practicing on the ones that aren't as important to you. I have an old Bachmann Spectrum N scale Dash 8 that I am going to attempt to add DCC to some time in the not too distant future. If Dan's techniques prove anything, it's that most things are possible with some patience and the right approach. We have a program available commercially all about installing DCC in N Scale diesels, including some that were not made "DCC Ready."
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Sounds good. I'm really thinking about taking the leap while I'm still small.
I for one hope you made the conversion to DCC. When I changed over my fleet of N scale locos to DCCin 1995, I would never go back to DC. There's just so much more you can do to run your trains at realistic speeds with prototypical lighting and even sound... there are number of folks online who install and hardwire decoders in many scales. Some are expensive and others more reasonable.
Very well done guys, turnouts may be a consideration in the future.
The main reason I want DCC is to have sound
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Thank you. Very informative.
Random question for you guys. Since you are using Kato Unitrack I was wondering how it was connected to the DCC control box. And since I am rather new to this I am curious what you used to connect the track to the DCC Box. It looks like an adaptor but I can't seem to figure out what you used. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Learned a lot thanks! Take care! Peace from Welland Ontario Canada 🇨🇦
This was really helpful! Thanks! I am interested in how the whole keyboard and mouse with the monitor system will help me. I am building a small layout in order to learn all these things.
The Larry King of model RR.
I want to build a simple yard layout....2 small engines, each with short cars. Can i set up a DC or DCC layout to allow the engines to automatically slow and reverse direction? It would allow me to display the layout without having to be constantly present.
Does the DC control make the engine power better on the locomotive model itself? What I mean by this is If I have two or three engines on my model or pending on what model I am building does it mean I have more power or does.it matter because I could have one engine because the DC power is DC power?
You guys are great. So helpful. Keep it up.
Does the digitrax controller work with pick track?
I mean piko track sorry
Years ago, Dc transformers would also dim the light accessories when making engines go faster, does this also happen when using a Dcc transformer?
I have a question and it is just a thought. Using the DCC type system with the track powered all the time, is it possible to have a radio controlled device in the loco to regulate how much power the electric motor pulls from the track.
How would you wire a DCC layout with 8 or 10 tracks and what additional power would you require
Preciso aprender a configurar o meu, faz 10 anos e até agora nao consegui. Muito bom, parabéns pelo video.
Great! Now I can explain to my non railfan friends why these aren't toys! Could you show us how to program smooth starting and stoping like the two SD40-2s?
I’ve got a good question for you. I have 20 to 30 locos, still in storage, that I’m getting ready to pull out and run again. While I’m pretty sure about most of them, having or not having DCC. There’s a few in question, without sound, that may have come with DCC. I believe those two are Bowser PRSL units. However, I’m not sure. Without me removing the shell, is there a quick way of deciphering this, without setting them in DCC track and possibly damaging them? I also plan on hooking up a double pole, double throw switch, so I can run any older ones that I don’t wish to convert. Thank you in advance! Great show, 👍 by the way! I subbed your channel. Love what you guys are doing! 🚂
You could always set up a programming track with JMRI Decoder Pro and ask the computer to read what's on the track.
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TSG Multimedia Okay, cool! Thanks!
What I can't understand is the pure short sitedness of DCC standard. That it's a one way system. Meaning, commands come from your throttle and are received by the train's dcc decoder (or accessory decoder). There is no feedback control, no way, at least in the standard, for a decoder to send information back.
We can do better than this. I would love to have a new standard perhaps based on CAN bus or CAN-FD.
I build my own DCC decoders using PIC microcontrollers.
The signals are superimposed on the track by a DCC throttle or command station. Digitrax, for example, in their super chief system has two protocols. The protocol between their throttle and the base station is called loconet and is proprietary to digitrax. The command station converts loconet communications to a DCC signal that is superimposed onto the track.
The superimposed DCC signal consists, at a very low level, a varing PWM (pulse width modulated) signal. A short pulse is a 1 and a larger pulse width is a 0. The 0s and 1s combine to make up a value (ex: 0011 = 3 in binary). The NMRA DCC standard has a table of what all these values refer too such as CV values, ditection, throttle, etc...
Hope this helps anyone wondering. I did all this research on DCC after trying to return to the hobby as an adult and trying to see what current state of the art is in the hobby....
There are DC engines that have sound, and scales according to speed. The horn and bell can be sounded flipping the reverser long or short.
Thanks for watching!
If you have a layout that has different loops/sections on a single track that can be isolated or combined with switches, can you make 1 train stay on one loop and a different train stay on another loop with dcc controlling everything like the switches and stuff? Imma rookie, had a HO scale train as a kid in the early 80s and never appreciated it, I want to make a frozen mountain for my N scale Bachman Xmas train, that’s why I’m watching train videos...but man, dcc intrigues me. I subscribed, hopefully you got an answer to my questions I posted here and another video of yours. Thanks for making them.