I owned a 2019 Colorado ZR2 V6 it was a great truck, but in 23/24 when Chevy, Toyota, and Ford started coming out with the new updated mid-size 4x4 trucks I started looking. Narrowed it down to a 2024 Colorado ZR2 or a 2024 Ranger Raptor, the new Taco's did nothing for me. So first I test drove the ZR2 and after the test drive sat down with the salesman and we started talking price. Then immediately they start their game with me and tell me that want to charge me 3k more for BS dealership fees and special protective coating on the exterior paint and interior seats and that is non-negotiable at their dealership??? Also, I had showed the salesman that I had a written offer from Carmax to buy my 2019 Colorado ZR2 V6 from me for 35k, and the salesman initially said that we should be able to match that. Then more dealership games he comes back to me after talking to the guy that runs their used car dept. and also the dealership sales manager and he tells me unfortunately we can only give you 30k for your ZR2 because we need to put new tires and brakes on it to sell it, (note my ZR2 was in mint condition with only 14k miles on it) WTF??? Next, I got up and said let me think about this for a couple of days and I will get back to you, and I walked out. Next, I went and test drove a new Ranger Raptor bought the RR right after the test drive. Honestly no regrets the RR is so much fun to drive and it is wicked quick and fast, and it sounds so Bitchin when you floor it in Baja exhaust mode, love it. All the new mid-size 4x4 trucks are good trucks, and all of them have their Pros and Cons, you just have to go for the one that you like best and it works best for your needs.✌
Very well said and appreciate you giving the details of your purchase experience you had. Some dealers are just bad apples. 5k loss to upgrade tires and brakes on a 14k mile truck...laughable. that dealer was scum
33 inch tires with 3:43 gears is ridiculous not to mention the Bison version has 35s with the same economy gear ratio. GM knows better they are just being cheap.
@@DUNEATV TFL trucks has entered the chat...🤣🤣 But yeah, actually be honest, Mopar has NEVER had the greatest reliability. I've owned a bunch over the years, from some of the station wagons my parents had in the '60's to my '68 440 R/T and '69 big block Chargers, to both my Dakota trucks in the '00's, etc. THE most reliable car I've ever had by far was my 2010 V6 AWD RAV4 that I put 212k miles on since I bought it in Dec '09....aaand was recently destroyed by a drunk driver. So I had originally wanted a new Tacoma based on that reliability....but Toyota dropped the ball...AGAIN, and still didn't put a front locker in them. Then there's the fact that a similarly equipped TuRD Pro would be, what, $10k MORE than the '24 Colorado ZR2 I picked up? That was a nope. I originally wanted a Gladiator, but after driving one (steering sucks and that's BEFORE the "Death Wobble"), and pricing the diesel at around $70k, and seeing the reliability, I decided on the ZR2.
This is one of the reasons why Subaru puts the intercooler on top of their engines. Not that you can really do that in a non boxer engine setup but I personally don't like turbos on rigs that go in the mud. It's asking for problems IMO. Keep the Gladiator for your purposes.
Lesson on this video: don't hesitate, just get a gladiator. Best midsize truck in the market. Not even close. Just wish their prices weren't so damn high. It's not a full-size truck jeep!
@jeffreythomas4254 I love the gladiator. It's honestly my favorite trucks made. That said, honestly I'm so very impressed with the zr2. The truck is so amazing and capable for 99.9% of the situations people will every need.
@Jason-Samko i agree. Colorado is a great truck. But the jeep still has it beat. Gladiator is the best look and most fun to drive. Especially in the summer with the doors and top off!
Thats what my heart tells me. Probably because the gladiator has proven itself time and time again. The zr2 might be great out there too. I just dont know yet.
Sounds like you need an old jeep dedicated to go in the woods. Something you don't have to worry about. That being said, you need to watch the testing videos for these. Its some of the best off road testing I've seen a manufacturer do with the press. Water, mud and rocks. No crappy man made obstacles. No issues.
those tradesman are $55k for a new 2024 what's the power wagon option? Currently thinking of buying a used f350 XL dually FX4 with the 6.7L HO diesel with 26k miles for $56k but I can't find a new diesel dually for anywhere close to that it's another $10-15k for a new one with those specs. Would prefer to buy a new one over a used one, but I have to get the bottom of the barrel trim if I go with new.
@@RimRig_AZ yeah just wish I could find a new dually for that. Think I'm gonna go for the f350 with 26k miles a bunch of features I wouldn't get with new and I can probably still sell it before 80k to 150k miles.$75k for a new dually from any of the major brands.
I agree. The Power Wagon option adds $9500 or so retail to the RAM Tradesman making it the best off-road truck from the factory. Especially in mud. Plus you get a gas V-8 versus Jeep V-6.
I'd imagine in colder climates you could get a front skidplate that didn't have the large scoop, but instead just some holes for the lesser cooling needed.
Guffmiester off-road has a TH-cam channel with a new model 2023 COLORADO ZR2 and he has many videos of him wheeling through the FLORIDA EVERGLADES with water over the tires as well as mudd. He did have concerns at first with the rear diff breather but I think that problem got remedied by him. That front issue with the air levers would give me concern. I myself have a 2018 Colorado ZR2 that I’ve wheeled all over Alabama so I know what you mean about the mudd but my truck has been a absolute great truck and having owned many 4x4 trucks in my day can truly say that the ZR2 has been the most capable OFF-ROADER that I’ve ever owned, the front and rear LOCKERS in these trucks are game changers and in my opinion the truck is far better than the TACOMA but please don’t tell TACO owners that they will yell from HELL TO SUNDAY. I’ve added a few engine mods to mine MALLET FULL EXQUAST, TRIFECTA TUNE so I’m pushing a few more horses and the 3.42 gearing has never been a issue pushing 33 inch tires
@timricks1149 greatly appreciated this comment. Hearing the 3.42s still work great in the mud with lockers on is good Info that I needed to hear. I obviously have not put this thing in the mud yet. So my thoughts and worries are just concerns based on past knowledge. Util I can swamp it I won't know for sure. But sure do appreciate hearing it's working great for you.
Jason, Valid concerns. I think the hardest to alleviate are front hole for radiator scooping and packing mud and the robustness of the IFS when hitting holes. For the IFS I don’t see a solution. For the hole upfront, maybe a brush guard that you would need anyway with a tall enough plate on it that pushes most of the mud away from the radiator opening. Not perfect but I don’t see any other way. For the DSSV shocks, I would remove them BEFORE you first take them to the woods after you took it over. I would immediately replace them with Bilsten shocks. Inexpensive if they go bad and before trading the truck I would put the original Tina-used-only DSSV shocks back so value stays with the truck and you don’t have to spend $2,500 on a set of shocks. If you destroy shocks they will be the cheaper Bilsteins for your purposes. Crawl and gear ratio, when stuck use the portable winch and a Pull Pal to dig/pull yourself out backwards. OR TO AVOID ALL THIS BS RAM 2500 with Power Wagon package. Around $53k with discounts and all this BS solved. I might not be the most unbiased though. 😃
Also if she buys something different another possible option is if you sold your gladiator you could not only trade zr2 for a gladiator but I think a power wagon might also work for you if it's not too big for what you do I understand what ya mean about that mud guys down here run 37"- 44" boogers when hunting in the Everglades with 4:56 gears last time I was out with them we pulled some Texas guys that had a nice off road truck out of the mud they said back home people call them to get out when they get stuck & it was the first time they themselves got stuck that mud is no joke people don't realize how it cakes up on your tires & how deep it gets I really hope it all works out in your favor
@marksullivan8200 yep lucky for me tina has stated several times already that she doesn't th8nk she will will be ready to give up the zr2 next year. So looks like I'm free to buy another gladiator. Win win. Agree with you, people that don't live down here don't understand the mud
You might have to drill holes in that front skid plates to help drain it from getting too clogged to quickly & probably larger mud tires idk or if she buys another vehicle & you take over the zr2 you might have to either trade up to the aev bison zr2 with more clearance more protection & 35 inch " tires or get another gladiator I'm sure you'll figure it out I hope it works out for the best without setting you back much
I think what's needed (if your wife is ok with it), is a side-by-side comparison video of the 2 in the same conditions, to see which works better, and if the problems you think the ZR2 might have, really DOES have, or if there's any that you didn't think of, that it DOES end up having. To be honest, I think there would be an easy solution to the "mud scoop" problem in the front, in replacing the skidplate with a different one, or simply making something of a "snorkel" that can be easily attached and detached when mudding.
I learned to drive around the mud holes when I was a kid. Mud will ruin equipment faster than anything else. Seeing as how you don’t have a choice down there, the ZR2 doesn’t seem like the best tool for the job. I’d probably get a surplus HMMWV if I were you, because even the Jeep is gonna be trashed at some point using it like that. The HMMWV has tremendous ground clearance, factory 37” run-flat tires, can be had with deep water fording kits, and you won’t care about beating it up.
Can’t wait to see if the turbo torque will be enough to keep you in 4hi, and how it handles 4lo. 430lb feet is no joke…hope it ends up working out for you
Im excited for the day Tina says i can run it in the swamps to see. When that happens I will throw my winch in the bed, and see what it can do. Im looking forward to it happening. But Can not until she says I can. Right now its still new and shiny and she absolutely loves it. When I do Im hoping the little beast of a motor will prove me wrong with the power to the wheels.
I think the IFS is going to give you problems. I don't think the half shafts will take the constant front locker engagement. You're much better off with a solid front axle and lower gears, bigger tires. I've never liked GM's gearing. They gear them too high!
I have hear the same. But even steel ones will bend and be a problem on hard log drops. Definitely have to take those situations very slow and controlled.
Will do if I do. But very easy 30 min job. Drop spare tire. Replace stock breather with arb. Run the line up to behind taillight. Mount with 2 self tapper screws. Done
Gladiator has 260 lb/ft @4400 rpm N/A Colorado has 430 lb/ft @3000 rpm Forced induction It would be very interesting to see how the two engine setups compare. Hard to compete with that Gladiator crawl ratio though.
Honestly feeling the same. That's why I made the video. So people understand how important it is to pick the right tool for job. Fortunately for me, tina absolutely loves this truck so looks like I'm free to buy another gladiator next year if I want too
@@Jason-Samko Huh, haven't seen one close up, thought they might not have the ZR2 "mud scoop". I just figured, more power, and a lower low range might help.
In most cases it will make you forget that Gladiator. To make it compete with a gladiator in the conditions you've mentioned, you'll still spend less than buying a Gladiator rubicon and then you'll still have a great pavement pounder as well.... I wheel in VT and NH, ain't much different then the great white north.
HELP! I have a 2024 Chevy Colorado ZR2 Bison. Took it back to the dealer for service after only 3 days because of the drivers door not unlocking; from the inside and outside! I was trapped 4 times and had to crawl out the passenger side! So they fixed this but not the problem I have with the front suspension. Any speed bump or dip taken faster than 15 miles per hour and you can hear and feel a loud clank at the front left side. Does not sound normal! The dealer had the head mechanic check this out and everyone in the service department said that this is normal because the bump stops are metal on metal! What? This doesn’t make sense and I’ve seen other people complain on Reddit about this noise / issue but I don’t know of a solution? Is this info correct? It’s gonna drive me crazy especially if I hear this when wheeling… 😮
The Colorado/Canyon are capable off-roaders but probably not great for mud bogging. The Gladiator- somewhat under powered as it is- is a much better choice for what you're doing a lot of the time. The Gladiator with the 5.7 V8 and the 8-spd ZF combo would have been perfect in that vehicle had they made it.
@HectorAcosta-s2k these are just concerns and nothing proven good or bad yet and I might be over thinking it. But in all honesty figured I make a video sharing my thoughts about it for what I do. I hope when I do finally get it in the swamp it proves my worries worthless. We absolutely love this truck. And yes the gladiator is still my favorite trucks personally. But this zr2 is amazing. Had 5 people in it today when we went to see Christmas lights a farm here does. My son inlaw is 6'3 and sat behind me for 3 hours and said he had plenty of room with his wife next to him and thier some next to here in a car seat. The zr2 is so amazing
Damn 3rd gen frontiers have a 54.42:1 not really a difference but learning more and more by the day. But the gladiators got them girthy ratios 😂 God damn. Also that's what I did with my rear diff. Ordered it from prg and put the breather behind the rear tail brake light on my 2nd Gen frontier.
Yep always a good idea to relocate to low breathers if hitting water often. Agree on the gearing too. The colorado needs bigger gears and a better transfercase ratio for the deep crap
Easy fix bro. Just take the axles and transfer case off the gladiator and haul them in the back of the ZR2 to your hunting spot and then slap them on the zR2 before you Offroad and take them back off once your done. That way you get better quality off-roading and on the highway. Best of both worlds.
taco doesnt have front lockers. So its never more than a 3 wheel drive. Power only has to roll 3 wheels even with the rear locker on. adding a front locker is a game changer for traction. But need the gearing and power to move the wheels in the slop
@ Great videos by the way! Lots of thought applied to them, appreciate the time you take making them, as a fellow hunter understand when you talk about getting into the nasty areas. That’s where trophies roam!
Sure sounds like you're actually going to get a new Gladiator and Tina will get something else when she gets bored of the ZR2. I think the ZR2 was a better buy than the Bronco or Land Cruiser she was considering. It sure is a beautiful truck, too nice to trash it in mud.
Looking that way. But could change as the new wears off on the zr2. Could be im just scared of hurting it. This video was just an honest, from the heart, conversation about things thst I'm wondering
Sounds like your fears and concerns were not appropriately considered before or at the time of your truck purchase. From this video I'd say sell it when the time comes and purchase something that will address ALL your fears and concerns.
@Razor87FIS it's not my truck, it's my wife's and she loves it. As do I. But when it comes time for me to get a new truck I will probably buy a gladiator rather than take this truck over
I’m happy with my ZR2. I hunt as well. For my needs its awesome. My hunting spots aren’t mud boggs. I deal with some mud but will never bury it in a mud hole. Also I live in the midwest so snow is also an issue at times. This truck will be awesome in those conditions. We all know there is no perfect machine for every condition or every person. Is the ZR2 an awesome truck? yes, perfect? not at all. But I think Chevy is headed in the right direction with this platform. Can’t wait till more aftermarket accessories become available for them. As you mentioned in a previous video, a brush guard to protect the plastic front end will be nice.
I agree, which is why I bought a '24. Yes, you lose a little articulation with the IFS, but let's face it, 90% of the driving WILL be on the streets, and the shitty steering of a straight axle front end and the lurking "Death Wobble" sealed that deal for me. Oh, and the Jeep's (well, ANY Mopar) spotty reliability.
I do believe the best 2 for what I need would be the gladiaor or the power wagon. If I took this over I would have to tone down my tactics and turn back more often
There is nothing worse than an underpowered 4x4 vehicle. I used to have a Suzuki Samari it had the factory 60hp motor. When I would go off road in the sand when I would go surfing I was constantly dealing with over heating issues when it was in the soft sand from being under powered. The gearing you’re describing could definitely be an issue. That said the new trucks do tend to have decent power.
Yep not sure how well the ratio of gearing and torque will stack up in the mud. And then there is the fear of snapping cvs on the front if it is packed full of mud.
That truck has NEVER seen mud. Never needed 4 lo for mud. Especially with the new 8 or 10 speed auto. You don’t need lockers unless you are stuck already. Stomp the loud pedal and don’t lift.
This truck would be grand for me. But for you…(& you said it wise)… don’t use this vehicle as your main muscle for work. 1st big issue… That shovel is a huge headache & 2… those gears will leave you in hole. An expensive hole. & transforming this truck for work… is ($$$) it worth it? That 4 clicker with its blower is nothing for mud-thick-stuff-hole after Raku hole via your explanation & the facts for what this Zr2 is could be in there will be a world of hurt & tears. So If you ever plan to take it there… let your Good conscious take over. Again, You said it all. So keep your word for it. Plan another power truck for job.
If I did take this over I would definitely have to tone down my tactics a little. It would do most of what I need. But I would not want to push it as hard as I can my gladiator. Fortunately, tina loves this truck so much she doesn't think she will be ready ro give it up next year anyway. So looks like I will be buying another gladiator
I hate the thick, black, paste mud we have in Pennsylvania. The kind where if it rains 3-4 days straight, you know your not coming out of if you go in too slow. It's going to rain the next 5 days here, thank God deer season is over.
We love the zr2 also! Excited for the chance to put it through the swamp to see how it does. But right now until thst happens i have so concerns. Hope it proves me wrong
Your Gladiator is MUCH more off road capable than the zr2 for what you do. The jeep is king off road. You may want to have the zr2 prove itself before you sell the Gladiator.
Strange math you speak of. You said the wheels would go from like 100 up to 250 pounds full of mud to being 5x heavier a minute later. Stick to hunting and let the engineers handle this one. The truck is fine.
C’mon man! If the ZR2 can’t handle where you’re going, you have no business being there. You act like the Gladiator is the only truck that will go through anything.
@@TheBandit7613 i would never go on the rubicon or moab. I don't offroad to off road. I do it because I have to, in some of the nastiest crap you could imagine. Would love to never drive thru mud again. Or get stuck in a hole that looked OK but ended up being 2 feet of wet cement under a foot of slop.
Exactly. 😃 Just steal it from Tina the day after Christmas when she is sleeping or whatever and take it to the biggest mud hole you know and see what happens. If she truly loves you then she will understand and if not better to find out sooner than later. 😃
Your deff talking yourself out of this truck, this ZR2 IMO will do everything your jeep will with a very few exceptions. The ZR2 will be fine in the mud. I live in Alabama, and know mud, lived in Florida aswell, every state has a different mud, but the mud you hit while hunting will not be like your describing, what your talking about is mud bog territory. I’ve went through some nasty stuff on bald tires, in a 93 pathfinder in 4high.. if your concerned, have your wife follow you to where ever these mud holes are and try to make it, with your gladiator on standby. Buy a real bumper, not a brush guard. What was the reason you bought a 50k ZR2? You’re clearly biased to a jeep. Just go buy a jeep, since you’re worried and concerned. The breathers is a very good point, most “offroad” vehicles skimp on this, and aren’t properly located away from the area. The hood is another good point, and yes it looks good but it sucks because the manufacturer blocks ALOT of your view from the drivers seat. Have a good day, try the ZR2 out before you worry yourself out of a vehicle.
Don't look into this too hard. Like I said i have not actually taken it offroad in the mud yet. And I hunt a military base. It has holes everywhere made my track vehicles and carriers on 60 inch tires. The mud is insane. And it's not my truck! It's my wife's. She wanted it so we bought it. I love it. But until I prove it in the swamps I will have concerns.
@ understandable, I enjoy your trad content on your other channel, seen a video from this one and started watching a few, ran across this one and you did say you have yet to try it, if you search youtube some, there are some very good off-roading videos of the ZR2 eating up the offroad. Not sure how the new ones (like yours) are since nobody has really tried them, but they should be just as good or better than the previous gen. I love off-roading and I’m not a fan of Chevy, but want a ZR2 Colorado, particularly the bison but only for the few added accessories they have, i don’t care about a few things that come on them, as they would be replaced anyways (bumpers). But when you do decide to go try it out, bring us along, put the ZR2 to work and try it to the max!
Thought you bought this truck for Tina? You need to go buy a new truck for yourself. These trucks are made for climbing boulders, not going through muck, go watch the youtube videos on them!
You are 100% correct. But the idea was i would take it over when she was bored with it. Not sure i want to use it for what I need now that i own it. And that 100% ok. Tina loves it so much she has said multiple times she doesn't think she wants to give it up next year when I'm ready to dump my gladiator.
Obviously you know the hazards in your area very well, and it may be that the ZR2 is NOT the best truck for your WORK. Maybe a Ram RHO or similar? Out here in the Southwest we don't have the kind of nasty mud you have that destroys everything. Although, if you're caught in or right after a flood in, say, Moab, where the red clay is, it can get really bad. For me, it'll see hardpack, sand, loose dirt, the occasional mud, and snow. Plus I really don't think I'd go wheeling where it was really muddy like that. So, while it may not be the best work truck for you, it's pretty much the perfect toy for me. Best of luck!
@@Jason-Samko I'm still a noob at this, but for a stock vehicle, agreed. I wish they would have made easy fitment of 35's mandatory though. Ah well, I'll figure it out, or maybe I'll just go with "34's" (285/75/17's). Seems like there's a HUGE price difference going to inch size 34's and 35's vs the metric.
Hell, why not just say screw it and get a Sherp? THAT monster would easily go ANYWHERE you need it to go, as long as the trail is big enough....or you feel like making your own trail.
The good thing is this ZR2 will never see the conditions you talked about. You will take the Gladiator.
It probably will spend its life on the pavement and the beech
I owned a 2019 Colorado ZR2 V6 it was a great truck, but in 23/24 when Chevy, Toyota, and Ford started coming out with the new updated mid-size 4x4 trucks I started looking. Narrowed it down to a 2024 Colorado ZR2 or a 2024 Ranger Raptor, the new Taco's did nothing for me. So first I test drove the ZR2 and after the test drive sat down with the salesman and we started talking price. Then immediately they start their game with me and tell me that want to charge me 3k more for BS dealership fees and special protective coating on the exterior paint and interior seats and that is non-negotiable at their dealership??? Also, I had showed the salesman that I had a written offer from Carmax to buy my 2019 Colorado ZR2 V6 from me for 35k, and the salesman initially said that we should be able to match that. Then more dealership games he comes back to me after talking to the guy that runs their used car dept. and also the dealership sales manager and he tells me unfortunately we can only give you 30k for your ZR2 because we need to put new tires and brakes on it to sell it, (note my ZR2 was in mint condition with only 14k miles on it) WTF??? Next, I got up and said let me think about this for a couple of days and I will get back to you, and I walked out. Next, I went and test drove a new Ranger Raptor bought the RR right after the test drive. Honestly no regrets the RR is so much fun to drive and it is wicked quick and fast, and it sounds so Bitchin when you floor it in Baja exhaust mode, love it. All the new mid-size 4x4 trucks are good trucks, and all of them have their Pros and Cons, you just have to go for the one that you like best and it works best for your needs.✌
Very well said and appreciate you giving the details of your purchase experience you had. Some dealers are just bad apples. 5k loss to upgrade tires and brakes on a 14k mile truck...laughable. that dealer was scum
The Chevys and GMCs look better than any other midsize IMO
33 inch tires with 3:43 gears is ridiculous not to mention the Bison version has 35s with the same economy gear ratio.
GM knows better they are just being cheap.
There is a reason why we drive Jeeps… It isn’t to try to look cool. There actually is a difference in the mechanics and the strength.
So very true.
Legendary Jeep UNreliablity has entered the chat...🤣🤣
@@kx8960 You mean the new Toyota Tundra/Tacoma??? 🤣
@@DUNEATV TFL trucks has entered the chat...🤣🤣 But yeah, actually be honest, Mopar has NEVER had the greatest reliability. I've owned a bunch over the years, from some of the station wagons my parents had in the '60's to my '68 440 R/T and '69 big block Chargers, to both my Dakota trucks in the '00's, etc. THE most reliable car I've ever had by far was my 2010 V6 AWD RAV4 that I put 212k miles on since I bought it in Dec '09....aaand was recently destroyed by a drunk driver. So I had originally wanted a new Tacoma based on that reliability....but Toyota dropped the ball...AGAIN, and still didn't put a front locker in them. Then there's the fact that a similarly equipped TuRD Pro would be, what, $10k MORE than the '24 Colorado ZR2 I picked up? That was a nope. I originally wanted a Gladiator, but after driving one (steering sucks and that's BEFORE the "Death Wobble"), and pricing the diesel at around $70k, and seeing the reliability, I decided on the ZR2.
Sell you my 1985 solid axle Toyota you can quit worrying
This is one of the reasons why Subaru puts the intercooler on top of their engines. Not that you can really do that in a non boxer engine setup but I personally don't like turbos on rigs that go in the mud. It's asking for problems IMO. Keep the Gladiator for your purposes.
You can actually put it anywhere you want, within reason. You just don't want long tubes to have to pressurize.
yep the intercooler is a concern for the deep mud and clogging it up and jamming the louvers
Lesson on this video: don't hesitate, just get a gladiator. Best midsize truck in the market. Not even close. Just wish their prices weren't so damn high. It's not a full-size truck jeep!
@jeffreythomas4254 I love the gladiator. It's honestly my favorite trucks made. That said, honestly I'm so very impressed with the zr2. The truck is so amazing and capable for 99.9% of the situations people will every need.
@Jason-Samko i agree. Colorado is a great truck. But the jeep still has it beat. Gladiator is the best look and most fun to drive. Especially in the summer with the doors and top off!
Sounds like a nice new Gladiator is the best tool for your needs.
@@PrepperDawg 💯
Thats what my heart tells me. Probably because the gladiator has proven itself time and time again. The zr2 might be great out there too. I just dont know yet.
Don’t see how anyone likes the gladiator.
@@joshtaylor1416 yea, I have never liked the styling, however, I can see how it would work great for the way Jason uses it.
@joshtaylor1416 thats ok. I don't like what you drive either....whatever it is.
Sounds like you need an old jeep dedicated to go in the woods. Something you don't have to worry about. That being said, you need to watch the testing videos for these. Its some of the best off road testing I've seen a manufacturer do with the press. Water, mud and rocks. No crappy man made obstacles. No issues.
Jason, when ready just go for the tradesman with the power wagon option. For what you do it would be perfect right out of the box. 🤘
those tradesman are $55k for a new 2024 what's the power wagon option? Currently thinking of buying a used f350 XL dually FX4 with the 6.7L HO diesel with 26k miles for $56k but I can't find a new diesel dually for anywhere close to that it's another $10-15k for a new one with those specs. Would prefer to buy a new one over a used one, but I have to get the bottom of the barrel trim if I go with new.
@JustAverageJeff I've seen some level 2 tradesman with the PW option for $52k. I think that's the best bang for your buck right now.
@@RimRig_AZ yeah just wish I could find a new dually for that. Think I'm gonna go for the f350 with 26k miles a bunch of features I wouldn't get with new and I can probably still sell it before 80k to 150k miles.$75k for a new dually from any of the major brands.
@@JustAverageJeff Wow, jump on it!
I agree. The Power Wagon option adds $9500 or so retail to the RAM Tradesman making it the best off-road truck from the factory. Especially in mud. Plus you get a gas V-8 versus Jeep V-6.
That's a nice truck brother. I bought the bison( same color) and the hole in the front seems to be blocked better than the standard ZR2.
That aev bumper is amazing. Now for 25 they offer the front and rear bumper as a package for 4k
Wow what a nice large "mud spoon" you have in the front. Here in QC Canada this can be a problem with snow/ice.
I'd imagine in colder climates you could get a front skidplate that didn't have the large scoop, but instead just some holes for the lesser cooling needed.
yep deep snow would be the same concern as the mud only easier to clean with heat rather than hose and brush..lol
Guffmiester off-road has a TH-cam channel with a new model 2023 COLORADO ZR2 and he has many videos of him wheeling through the FLORIDA EVERGLADES with water over the tires as well as mudd. He did have concerns at first with the rear diff breather but I think that problem got remedied by him. That front issue with the air levers would give me concern. I myself have a 2018 Colorado ZR2 that I’ve wheeled all over Alabama so I know what you mean about the mudd but my truck has been a absolute great truck and having owned many 4x4 trucks in my day can truly say that the ZR2 has been the most capable OFF-ROADER that I’ve ever owned, the front and rear LOCKERS in these trucks are game changers and in my opinion the truck is far better than the TACOMA but please don’t tell TACO owners that they will yell from HELL TO SUNDAY. I’ve added a few engine mods to mine MALLET FULL EXQUAST, TRIFECTA TUNE so I’m pushing a few more horses and the 3.42 gearing has never been a issue pushing 33 inch tires
@timricks1149 greatly appreciated this comment. Hearing the 3.42s still work great in the mud with lockers on is good Info that I needed to hear. I obviously have not put this thing in the mud yet. So my thoughts and worries are just concerns based on past knowledge. Util I can swamp it I won't know for sure. But sure do appreciate hearing it's working great for you.
Sounds like u should do a straight axle conversion with the 4 runner, magneson supercharger, front locker, lift kit & some 35's!! 😊
Ranger Raptor has a 61 ratio. I think the shocks will last much longer than you think. Thanks for the content.
Only one way to find out, tell mama u're taking her truck for a ride. 😊😊
😂😂 and have 50 bucks worth or quarters for the car wash on the way home
Jason, Valid concerns. I think the hardest to alleviate are front hole for radiator scooping and packing mud and the robustness of the IFS when hitting holes. For the IFS I don’t see a solution.
For the hole upfront, maybe a brush guard that you would need anyway with a tall enough plate on it that pushes most of the mud away from the radiator opening. Not perfect but I don’t see any other way.
For the DSSV shocks, I would remove them BEFORE you first take them to the woods after you took it over. I would immediately replace them with Bilsten shocks. Inexpensive if they go bad and before trading the truck I would put the original Tina-used-only DSSV shocks back so value stays with the truck and you don’t have to spend $2,500 on a set of shocks. If you destroy shocks they will be the cheaper Bilsteins for your purposes.
Crawl and gear ratio, when stuck use the portable winch and a Pull Pal to dig/pull yourself out backwards.
OR TO AVOID ALL THIS BS
RAM 2500 with Power Wagon package. Around $53k with discounts and all this BS solved. I might not be the most unbiased though. 😃
All absolutely excellent points. And love thebidea of pulling the dssv shocks and saving them, they won't matter for my needs.
Sounds like you'll need another gladiator when the time comes!
would be my first choice for my needs.
If you downed a shot every time he said 84 to 1 crawl ratio or 42 to 1 crawl ratio you would pass out before the end of the video. 😂😂
Also if she buys something different another possible option is if you sold your gladiator you could not only trade zr2 for a gladiator but I think a power wagon might also work for you if it's not too big for what you do I understand what ya mean about that mud guys down here run 37"- 44" boogers when hunting in the Everglades with 4:56 gears last time I was out with them we pulled some Texas guys that had a nice off road truck out of the mud they said back home people call them to get out when they get stuck & it was the first time they themselves got stuck that mud is no joke people don't realize how it cakes up on your tires & how deep it gets I really hope it all works out in your favor
@marksullivan8200 yep lucky for me tina has stated several times already that she doesn't th8nk she will will be ready to give up the zr2 next year. So looks like I'm free to buy another gladiator. Win win. Agree with you, people that don't live down here don't understand the mud
You might have to drill holes in that front skid plates to help drain it from getting too clogged to quickly & probably larger mud tires idk or if she buys another vehicle & you take over the zr2 you might have to either trade up to the aev bison zr2 with more clearance more protection & 35 inch " tires or get another gladiator I'm sure you'll figure it out I hope it works out for the best without setting you back much
Fortunately tina absolutely loves this truck. So she probably won't let me take it over next year anyway and I will buy another gladiator
The front ends on these trucks are the reason I drive a solid axle. I couldn't trust it.
Good luck buddy, maybe some kind of screen for that opening??
Yep love a strong solid front end
I think what's needed (if your wife is ok with it), is a side-by-side comparison video of the 2 in the same conditions, to see which works better, and if the problems you think the ZR2 might have, really DOES have, or if there's any that you didn't think of, that it DOES end up having. To be honest, I think there would be an easy solution to the "mud scoop" problem in the front, in replacing the skidplate with a different one, or simply making something of a "snorkel" that can be easily attached and detached when mudding.
The diff breathers are no longer check valves. They are goretex membrane breathers.
I don't trust them. Just like the goretex in my hunting boots that always leak
Sounds like another Gladiator is in you future. Sounds like it’s the best tool for the job.
I'm feeling the same
I learned to drive around the mud holes when I was a kid. Mud will ruin equipment faster than anything else. Seeing as how you don’t have a choice down there, the ZR2 doesn’t seem like the best tool for the job. I’d probably get a surplus HMMWV if I were you, because even the Jeep is gonna be trashed at some point using it like that. The HMMWV has tremendous ground clearance, factory 37” run-flat tires, can be had with deep water fording kits, and you won’t care about beating it up.
Humvee would not fit. But I do like the way you are thinking! And I love anything with 37s
@@Jason-Samko How about an LMTV? 🤣
@@Holden-McGroin 😂
What a cool F'in job to have
Thank you
Jason use it hard, use it everyday and everywhere i really want you to reach 50k miles and tell us what happened with the car!!😉
Let your wife have her truck. That truck is nothing but a grocery getting highway queen.
This one will live it's life as a pavement and beach princess
LOL Maybe THAT one is, mine certainly isn't.
Can’t wait to see if the turbo torque will be enough to keep you in 4hi, and how it handles 4lo. 430lb feet is no joke…hope it ends up working out for you
Im excited for the day Tina says i can run it in the swamps to see. When that happens I will throw my winch in the bed, and see what it can do. Im looking forward to it happening. But Can not until she says I can. Right now its still new and shiny and she absolutely loves it. When I do Im hoping the little beast of a motor will prove me wrong with the power to the wheels.
I think the IFS is going to give you problems. I don't think the half shafts will take the constant front locker engagement. You're much better off with a solid front axle and lower gears, bigger tires. I've never liked GM's gearing. They gear them too high!
Very well could ve right. And a concern I have
The aluminum drive shaft has been know to dent on rocks and logs. Steel was and might still be an option on the zr2 you can order.
I believe the bison comes with a steel drive shaft which you can order and install.
I have hear the same. But even steel ones will bend and be a problem on hard log drops. Definitely have to take those situations very slow and controlled.
Can you do a video of you running the ARB kit on the ZR2 now since you plan to run it once you take it over? Would love to duplicate your work
Will do if I do. But very easy 30 min job. Drop spare tire. Replace stock breather with arb. Run the line up to behind taillight. Mount with 2 self tapper screws. Done
Think about putting PPF or a wrap on the side of your ZR2. It will mitigate the pinstriping.
Great tip
Gladiator has 260 lb/ft @4400 rpm N/A
Colorado has 430 lb/ft @3000 rpm Forced induction
It would be very interesting to see how the two engine setups compare.
Hard to compete with that Gladiator crawl ratio though.
Agree. And i may be way off on my worries. Very possible thst amazing torque could offset the gearing
Watch your own video, youu are talking yourself out of this truck. For what you do it won't work.
Honestly feeling the same. That's why I made the video. So people understand how important it is to pick the right tool for job. Fortunately for me, tina absolutely loves this truck so looks like I'm free to buy another gladiator next year if I want too
@@Jason-Samko Looks like a pretty good deal for you! Might look at a Ranger Raptor though.
@@Jason-Samkooooh🤔SMART IDEA 😂
@@kx8960 ranger raptor would be the exact same worries
@@Jason-Samko Huh, haven't seen one close up, thought they might not have the ZR2 "mud scoop". I just figured, more power, and a lower low range might help.
In most cases it will make you forget that Gladiator. To make it compete with a gladiator in the conditions you've mentioned, you'll still spend less than buying a Gladiator rubicon and then you'll still have a great pavement pounder as well.... I wheel in VT and NH, ain't much different then the great white north.
@@markberman8162 my Gladiator was cheaper than what the ZR2 was
HELP! I have a 2024 Chevy Colorado ZR2 Bison. Took it back to the dealer for service after only 3 days because of the drivers door not unlocking; from the inside and outside! I was trapped 4 times and had to crawl out the passenger side! So they fixed this but not the problem I have with the front suspension. Any speed bump or dip taken faster than 15 miles per hour and you can hear and feel a loud clank at the front left side. Does not sound normal! The dealer had the head mechanic check this out and everyone in the service department said that this is normal because the bump stops are metal on metal! What? This doesn’t make sense and I’ve seen other people complain on Reddit about this noise / issue but I don’t know of a solution? Is this info correct? It’s gonna drive me crazy especially if I hear this when wheeling… 😮
Good luck. A lot of electrical problems with these have been pinched wires somewhere along the path.
i believe the jounce stops on the bison in the front are metal on metal. and its an amazing system. wish I had those jounce stops on my zr2.
The Colorado/Canyon are capable off-roaders but probably not great for mud bogging. The Gladiator- somewhat under powered as it is- is a much better choice for what you're doing a lot of the time. The Gladiator with the 5.7 V8 and the 8-spd ZF combo would have been perfect in that vehicle had they made it.
Would love a v8 gladiator
Wow you certainly brought up some red flags for the hard core off roader, sounds like next vehicle will be another Gladiator 👍
@HectorAcosta-s2k these are just concerns and nothing proven good or bad yet and I might be over thinking it. But in all honesty figured I make a video sharing my thoughts about it for what I do. I hope when I do finally get it in the swamp it proves my worries worthless. We absolutely love this truck. And yes the gladiator is still my favorite trucks personally. But this zr2 is amazing. Had 5 people in it today when we went to see Christmas lights a farm here does. My son inlaw is 6'3 and sat behind me for 3 hours and said he had plenty of room with his wife next to him and thier some next to here in a car seat. The zr2 is so amazing
You can get a 3 1/2” steel drive shaft as an option with the ZR2
@@johnkrueger2283 saw that. Pretty awesome
Jason, just wondering if 4 low has the 456 crawl ratio
4 low is the 42:1 crawl ratio
I know somebody who was driving slow wheel dropped down in a hole and back out and it ruined the front strut. that you mentioned
Damn 3rd gen frontiers have a 54.42:1 not really a difference but learning more and more by the day. But the gladiators got them girthy ratios 😂 God damn. Also that's what I did with my rear diff. Ordered it from prg and put the breather behind the rear tail brake light on my 2nd Gen frontier.
Yep always a good idea to relocate to low breathers if hitting water often. Agree on the gearing too. The colorado needs bigger gears and a better transfercase ratio for the deep crap
Turbo engine platforms have the same issue. I think the 25 forerunner has the same issue. They need lots of air. And?
Very frequent, oil changes.
Easy fix bro. Just take the axles and transfer case off the gladiator and haul them in the back of the ZR2 to your hunting spot and then slap them on the zR2 before you Offroad and take them back off once your done. That way you get better quality off-roading and on the highway. Best of both worlds.
Perfect! I like the way you are thinking. Best of both worlds😂
I would be worried to if I owned a Chevy
Makes me wonder the crawl ratio of my 2023 taco.
taco doesnt have front lockers. So its never more than a 3 wheel drive. Power only has to roll 3 wheels even with the rear locker on. adding a front locker is a game changer for traction. But need the gearing and power to move the wheels in the slop
@ well mine is an SR V6 with 4X4 with no locking rear or crawl control. Bare bones truck!
Sounds like you should stick with the gladiator. You kept talking about resale value on Chevy, trade in for 392 gladiator!
It's not my truck. It's Tina's. And she is madly in love with it. It will be a pavement princess It's whole life.
@ Great videos by the way! Lots of thought applied to them, appreciate the time you take making them, as a fellow hunter understand when you talk about getting into the nasty areas. That’s where trophies roam!
@mattmeehan5764 thank you.
Sure sounds like you're actually going to get a new Gladiator and Tina will get something else when she gets bored of the ZR2. I think the ZR2 was a better buy than the Bronco or Land Cruiser she was considering. It sure is a beautiful truck, too nice to trash it in mud.
Looking that way. But could change as the new wears off on the zr2. Could be im just scared of hurting it. This video was just an honest, from the heart, conversation about things thst I'm wondering
You're afraid of hurting her truck or Tina hurting you 😅@@Jason-Samko
@@patbromwell8701 both...lol
I wish they made the diesel gladiator again the torque is a monster on the diesel! The emissions crap is junk though
agree
Sounds like your fears and concerns were not appropriately considered before or at the time of your truck purchase. From this video I'd say sell it when the time comes and purchase something that will address ALL your fears and concerns.
@Razor87FIS it's not my truck, it's my wife's and she loves it. As do I. But when it comes time for me to get a new truck I will probably buy a gladiator rather than take this truck over
@@Jason-Samko Since it is your wife's truck, I would have done nothing different because it is hers.
Zr2 gears should be fine since the truck weighs less than the jeep.
Why don’t you use / buy a side by side for the woods that you drive in ? Most people do it this way !,,,
I hunt all over the country. And even the closest place I hunt is 45 mins away one way
@@Jason-Samko oh ok
maybe some talk about lumbar seats in regular cab trucks GMC
I’m happy with my ZR2. I hunt as well. For my needs its awesome. My hunting spots aren’t mud boggs. I deal with some mud but will never bury it in a mud hole. Also I live in the midwest so snow is also an issue at times. This truck will be awesome in those conditions. We all know there is no perfect machine for every condition or every person. Is the ZR2 an awesome truck? yes, perfect? not at all. But I think Chevy is headed in the right direction with this platform. Can’t wait till more aftermarket accessories become available for them. As you mentioned in a previous video, a brush guard to protect the plastic front end will be nice.
@TADD29 yep I believe if I lived anywhere else than where I do the zr2 would be the ultimate midsize. We love it. Absolutely love it.
I agree, which is why I bought a '24. Yes, you lose a little articulation with the IFS, but let's face it, 90% of the driving WILL be on the streets, and the shitty steering of a straight axle front end and the lurking "Death Wobble" sealed that deal for me. Oh, and the Jeep's (well, ANY Mopar) spotty reliability.
Sounds like you need a Sherp ATV, not midsize truck.
I honestly believe, for your work , this is not the truck for you. Too many negative points for your needs. Just my opinion. 👍
I do believe the best 2 for what I need would be the gladiaor or the power wagon. If I took this over I would have to tone down my tactics and turn back more often
Hey there, why not just get another gladiator when the time comes instead of this Colorado just traded in with a new gladiator and be happy.
Always an option and a great option
There is nothing worse than an underpowered 4x4 vehicle. I used to have a Suzuki Samari it had the factory 60hp motor. When I would go off road in the sand when I would go surfing I was constantly dealing with over heating issues when it was in the soft sand from being under powered. The gearing you’re describing could definitely be an issue.
That said the new trucks do tend to have decent power.
Yep not sure how well the ratio of gearing and torque will stack up in the mud. And then there is the fear of snapping cvs on the front if it is packed full of mud.
All of your concerns are 100% reasons why you should not take this truck over
Will eventually get it in the swamp and see if these concerns are valid and them make the choices
That truck has NEVER seen mud. Never needed 4 lo for mud. Especially with the new 8 or 10 speed auto. You don’t need lockers unless you are stuck already. Stomp the loud pedal and don’t lift.
Do that here and it will be left smoking with a bent frame and both front wheel broke off
Why don't you get a vetco daily is the Italian Yuma MOG 🙄
hard to drive that 2 hours down the highway to the hunting spots. lol
I thought this truck is for your wife?
It is. But the idea was to take this over next year and sell my gladiator and let her get something new.
Quit worrying about the future Jason! Let your wife enjoy HER truck, and when the time comes, don't be a cheapskate and buy yourself a new Gladiator!
This truck would be grand for me. But for you…(& you said it wise)… don’t use this vehicle as your main muscle for work. 1st big issue… That shovel is a huge headache & 2… those gears will leave you in hole. An expensive hole. & transforming this truck for work… is ($$$) it worth it? That 4 clicker with its blower is nothing for mud-thick-stuff-hole after Raku hole via your explanation & the facts for what this Zr2 is could be in there will be a world of hurt & tears. So If you ever plan to take it there… let your Good conscious take over. Again, You said it all. So keep your word for it. Plan another power truck for job.
If I did take this over I would definitely have to tone down my tactics a little. It would do most of what I need. But I would not want to push it as hard as I can my gladiator.
Fortunately, tina loves this truck so much she doesn't think she will be ready ro give it up next year anyway. So looks like I will be buying another gladiator
When you buy a Chevy and you realize you’re about to have a lot of Chevy problems.
id have the identical concerns with the raptor ranger. And the tacoma could never get anywhere near either of those would go.
I hate the thick, black, paste mud we have in Pennsylvania. The kind where if it rains 3-4 days straight, you know your not coming out of if you go in too slow. It's going to rain the next 5 days here, thank God deer season is over.
Yep nothing sucks more than mud. It's unpredictable, brutal and a mess.
Another great video!! And just another reason why the Gladiator is one of the best trucks on the market!!🤙
We love the zr2 also! Excited for the chance to put it through the swamp to see how it does. But right now until thst happens i have so concerns. Hope it proves me wrong
Your Gladiator is MUCH more off road capable than the zr2 for what you do. The jeep is king off road. You may want to have the zr2 prove itself before you sell the Gladiator.
Looking forward to testing the zr2 and seeing how it does. Hoping it proves my concerns wrong
Strange math you speak of. You said the wheels would go from like 100 up to 250 pounds full of mud to being 5x heavier a minute later. Stick to hunting and let the engineers handle this one. The truck is fine.
Do a tug a war between the Colorado and the Jeep.
C’mon man! If the ZR2 can’t handle where you’re going, you have no business being there. You act like the Gladiator is the only truck that will go through anything.
Watch the video again and listen to what I say in it
Wrong truck for your needs. Consider a military vehicle, unimog, or something similar.
I too am not a fan of that obstructing hood. Get rid of the non functional hood scoop GM. Looks cool but not cool enough to mess with function.
Why would you spend 50k plus just to beat the hell outta it?
It's my money
@Jason-Samko I understand completely. I just can't wrap my head around it. Good vids by the way keep it up.
These trucks are rugged street trucks, not a true offloader.
They are definitely outstanding offroad trucks. 100%. And not many trucks near as capable. Love the zr2
Install an oil catch can. Direct injection engines suck.
Talking mud.......you should see my neighborhood pal...........I got Washington state mud.
It is not as off road as the Jeep. You never see them on the Rubicon or Moab.
The Jeep is tougher off-road.
@@TheBandit7613 i would never go on the rubicon or moab. I don't offroad to off road. I do it because I have to, in some of the nastiest crap you could imagine. Would love to never drive thru mud again. Or get stuck in a hole that looked OK but ended up being 2 feet of wet cement under a foot of slop.
Hi get it stuck let’s find out
Exactly. 😃 Just steal it from Tina the day after Christmas when she is sleeping or whatever and take it to the biggest mud hole you know and see what happens. If she truly loves you then she will understand and if not better to find out sooner than later. 😃
@@is6566 😂😂 better to as for forgiveness that permission
@@nordlandak6853 there will come a day i will be able to test it. But not yet. It's still new clean and shiny
That piano black grill was such a bad design.
Sure does look sexy clean though
Those with motion sickness he spins camera multiple times.
😂
Keep the jeep it's better for you how you use it
i do believe that is true. But man, I sure do love driving the zr2 also. such an amazing truck.
I thought the truck was your wife’s.
Should a got🦬
@@seanmcneil2903 bison would of made all the problems I'm worried about worse
@@Jason-Samko Maybe he meant an actual Bison to ride on. Another to carry your gear on trails.
Your deff talking yourself out of this truck, this ZR2 IMO will do everything your jeep will with a very few exceptions. The ZR2 will be fine in the mud. I live in Alabama, and know mud, lived in Florida aswell, every state has a different mud, but the mud you hit while hunting will not be like your describing, what your talking about is mud bog territory. I’ve went through some nasty stuff on bald tires, in a 93 pathfinder in 4high.. if your concerned, have your wife follow you to where ever these mud holes are and try to make it, with your gladiator on standby. Buy a real bumper, not a brush guard. What was the reason you bought a 50k ZR2? You’re clearly biased to a jeep. Just go buy a jeep, since you’re worried and concerned. The breathers is a very good point, most “offroad” vehicles skimp on this, and aren’t properly located away from the area. The hood is another good point, and yes it looks good but it sucks because the manufacturer blocks ALOT of your view from the drivers seat. Have a good day, try the ZR2 out before you worry yourself out of a vehicle.
Don't look into this too hard. Like I said i have not actually taken it offroad in the mud yet. And I hunt a military base. It has holes everywhere made my track vehicles and carriers on 60 inch tires. The mud is insane.
And it's not my truck! It's my wife's. She wanted it so we bought it. I love it. But until I prove it in the swamps I will have concerns.
@ understandable, I enjoy your trad content on your other channel, seen a video from this one and started watching a few, ran across this one and you did say you have yet to try it, if you search youtube some, there are some very good off-roading videos of the ZR2 eating up the offroad. Not sure how the new ones (like yours) are since nobody has really tried them, but they should be just as good or better than the previous gen. I love off-roading and I’m not a fan of Chevy, but want a ZR2 Colorado, particularly the bison but only for the few added accessories they have, i don’t care about a few things that come on them, as they would be replaced anyways (bumpers). But when you do decide to go try it out, bring us along, put the ZR2 to work and try it to the max!
What a terrible place to put an intake,
Thats not the intake. It's the intercooler for the turbo
Thought you bought this truck for Tina? You need to go buy a new truck for yourself. These trucks are made for climbing boulders, not going through muck, go watch the youtube videos on them!
It is Tina's. And I thought maybe I would want to take it over when she was done with it
You're right. The ZR2 and similar type trucks are desert trucks not mud hole vehicles. This is the wrong tool for the job he has. Keep the Gladiator
If you say what you do with trucks i wont know why you aren't buying 5-10k shit boxes to run into the literal muddy ground.
because I also drive 40k miles a year on the highways to get to these places.I hunt for a living and all over the country as well as here in GA
I’d never buy any new truck don’t like any turbo in a gas small displacement engine
@@markkus1134 i love it
It’s not your truck….
You are 100% correct. But the idea was i would take it over when she was bored with it. Not sure i want to use it for what I need now that i own it. And that 100% ok. Tina loves it so much she has said multiple times she doesn't think she wants to give it up next year when I'm ready to dump my gladiator.
Next time think about your purchase, like now. Gladiator is a POS. GET A REAL TRUCK!
K
Obviously you know the hazards in your area very well, and it may be that the ZR2 is NOT the best truck for your WORK. Maybe a Ram RHO or similar? Out here in the Southwest we don't have the kind of nasty mud you have that destroys everything. Although, if you're caught in or right after a flood in, say, Moab, where the red clay is, it can get really bad. For me, it'll see hardpack, sand, loose dirt, the occasional mud, and snow. Plus I really don't think I'd go wheeling where it was really muddy like that. So, while it may not be the best work truck for you, it's pretty much the perfect toy for me. Best of luck!
@kx8960 the zr2 is absolutely amazing.
@@Jason-Samko I'm still a noob at this, but for a stock vehicle, agreed. I wish they would have made easy fitment of 35's mandatory though. Ah well, I'll figure it out, or maybe I'll just go with "34's" (285/75/17's). Seems like there's a HUGE price difference going to inch size 34's and 35's vs the metric.
Hell, why not just say screw it and get a Sherp? THAT monster would easily go ANYWHERE you need it to go, as long as the trail is big enough....or you feel like making your own trail.
@kx8960 hard to drive a sherpa 2 hours on the highway to get to the spots😂
@@Jason-Samko Trailer it with a full-size. You'd never get stuck in a Sherp!
All these new trucks have a weak af ifs
IFS is how most are today