I think the reason why the whale enters tapped is because it’s already a removal spell and if it’s two removal spells and a finisher that would be far too strong
Yeah, plus the threat of being able to use it would be huge. As soon as you got to enough mana, you would be threatening to cast it every turn. It's like getting a benefit every turn even if you don't cast it.
The fact that it has flash at all makes it allready so much better. You can keep your mana open for counters, and if youre opponent has a bad turn, you can flash it in. I am very sure it will see some play in control decks
@@the_r4ts I doubt a 3/3 for 3 mana & two cards is necessarily worth it *but* could be a good tech piece in niche situations. 9/10 you use heartless act normally, but you can do weird fairy/ice things if desperate.
Isn't there also a newer card from like MOM in black that removes like 5 or 6 counters from a permanent? I don't remember the exact name and it might be too clunky, but it seems like a neat idea.
Between Decadent Dragon, Mosswood Dreadknight, Questing Druid already make a strong Jund Adventure shell. Now throw in Reflections of Kikki Jikki, and Sheholdred, and you got a real contender in Standard.
Quick question: I've only seen 9 cards each - the top five and then four honourable mentions make nine. Where's the #10 each? .. Checked the article, looks like #6 for Seth was Decadent Dragon and #8 for Crim was Virtue of Loyalty.
1) Boros control is going to be a thing with Heartflame Duelist. It could gain you a TON of life with Brotherhood's End, and you can splash black for Archangel of Wrath. The Boros manland is also great, and could easily close out a game. 2) There is a very strong core for Jund with Mosswood Dreadknight, Questing Druid, and Bloodtithe Harvester on 2, with Gix + Glissa on 3, and Sheoldred + Decadent Dragon on 4. Add in GFTT + Edict + Virtue of Persistence for removal.
Heartflame Duelist is coming in to a standard with a lot of Brotherhood's End and some Burn Down the House, so it seems like a really great way for boros to lifegain their way into the late game. Might be enough to make Koth + Chandra + All Will Be One strategies viable, or Virtue of Courage/City on Fire/Arcane Bombardment.
Honestly between Charming Rogue and Goddric, I think mono red aggro is getting a pretty substantial buff with WoE. We'll see if that's enough, but those are auto includes in the deck I think.
I disagree, while they are good cards they do have to compete with Bloodthirsty Adversary, Lightning Strike, Invasion of Tarkir, and Feldon in the two drop slot. While Charming Scoundrel offers flexibility. It is also a great way to being blown out by Cut Down on a chapter 2 of Kumano faces Kakkazan. Meanwhile. Mono red plays either Furnace Punisher to punish multicolored decks and their manabases or Squee because Squee is recurrable. Overall, I think they are solid cards, and may end up in Mono Red builds depending on the meta, but I don't think they move the needle for Mono Red in Best of three Standard.
I am pretty high on Decadent Dragon (and not just because it's got art from one of my favorite recent magic artists), but it's card advantage, a well-costed, evasive on-curve threat that can ramp & mana fix for the spell half. I mean it's no goldspan dragon (thank god), but I think it's very solid. Also the possibility that it makes jund playable in standard is exciting.
The flashy soldier deck is already powerful lol Not sure if the Fox would be good there since it's not a soldier, but maybe it is better than the Cathar, definitely going to test it
One thing I like about The End is it hits *any* creature or planeswalker. We'll be in a format where there are a few ways to turn lands into creatures. The End exiles "any number of cards with the same name as that permanent". You can even exile your own creature land with it.
One thing I'd say in virtue of loyalty's favour - it is more fizzle proof than other virtues. If you are running the virtues as your wincon, then getting fizzled is a problem. Plus you are on a clock to get them into exile to protect from hand disruption, so waiting for a safe casting window for the adventure is tricky.
I’m honestly going to not play standard until something really changes it (another B&R update, etc.). As a green mage, this standard has honestly been terrible. Hearing Seth and Crim’s comments on Green makes me wonder what’s the point of playing when you’re not enjoying it. Maybe Ixalan will be better.
Seth - Here is a line with the Fox - Flash hitting your own Thalia from a kill - cast a spell that was being taxed on your side or hold mana to let's say so brevity sake you are able to later sac the fox and mana tithe your opponent and gain two life in addition - def some tricky things you can do - or your own Loran or Farmhand or Doggo to double up - maybe even play in a double triggers deck (apparently the mana tithe thing doesn’t check out but still some tricky stuff you can do)
Sleep-Cursed Fae + Likeness looter. Looter turns into Sleep-Cursed Fae but doesn;t have the counters so boom. It can even turn into it the turn it ETBs since it doesn't tap to do it.
Seth puttting the GB adventure knight on the list at #1 even though Crim and Richard called it trash lmao I agree with him though maybe not #1 I think the BR adventure dragon is some untapped potential there but Mosswood Dreadknight is really good
i was already playing a flash version of soldiers with 4 zephyr sentinel cuz i could also use it in grindy games to bounce the convoke guy to get more creatures and ive been wanting a return of a flash deck, i was a huge fan of simic flash a few years ago and i can already see some kind of flash deck even without being soldiers
Charming scoundrel will definitely see play if you’re playing decadent dragon, so you’re more likely to fix your mana when playing against decks outside your color
As a 5 colour atraxa player, I can already say the UB manland does WOOOORK in standard and has already won me several matches, both on defense and offense.
The fact werefox bodyguard isn't a soldier IS a big deal, isn't it??? You kind of want as many soldiers as possible, so removing a few from the deck would likely make it worse. Although I've always liked the idea of leaning into the more flash style soldiers deck, so maybe there could just be a UW tempo flash deck with a few soldier synergies??
Did anyone else realize that you can actually sacrifice this fox while the trigger is on the stack for the exile and end up permanently removing an opponent's creature from the game as you gain the two life? Could be a good emergency removal spell against graveyard decks.😮
@@dac2007 Actually it sure as heck does! lol. Even if it didn't have flash, it would work because there's no tap. The way it works on the stack is like this. YOU MUST HOLD CONTROL/PRIORITY FOR IT TO WORK. You flash it in. The trigger for exile goes on the stack and you target a creature of your opponents. Then, STILL while holding control, you set the sacrifice trigger and sac the creature. Now you release control. They can save it by bouncing it now since they can interact, but if they don't, what happens is the trigger resolves in reverse order. So the game will see this: release from exile the creature, oh there's no creature to release, then okay, now we need to exile the creature, and it get's exiled, your fox is in your graveyard and the card you targeted is gone forever because you can't ever release it later. It's kind of "stack abuse" but it's very doable. I've done this for ages in pauper with Kor Skyfisher + Ephemerate and Journey to Nowhere. you have a Kor Skyfisher in play already, then you cast a Journey targeting opponents creature, before it resolves, you can ephemerate your kor skyfisher at instant speed, it will then bounce the journey back to hand and try to release the exiled creature before the creature ever gets exiled, then it will end with the exile trigger last and exile their creature but since the journey is back in hand and similarly not on the battlefield anymore, they can never get back their creature. it's an old and dirty trick, but it totally works, I assure you.
@@kats7930 no, you are wrong, there's no trigger to release from exile What happens is if the Fox is not on the battlefield when the trigger resolves, nothing gets exiled Try killing a Leyline Binding before it resolves and see what happens What you have done for years worked differently because of how old cards are worded, now they have fixed it so you can't abuse it. And it's good they've done it.
So funny how charming scoundrel is by all accounts strictly better than wily goblin, but the double red was a big deal for nykthos or fanatic of Mogis, and being a goblin was a big deal in muxus decks. So not just better!
Seth: there's no lucky clover to copy Adventures Chancellor of Tales: Am I a joke to you? In all seriousness I know chancellor is not on the same level as clover but I wanted to make the joke.
@@bluemage1 I don't find Sheoldred to be a problem at all in standard. The only colour that doesn't have a cheap instant speed answer to her is green and that's a 5 colour deck anyway. There's nothing that needs banning in Standard. The balance is great right now. They just need to print some great mono-green cards (which Eldraine unfortunately doesn't look to be doing, given that the good green cards are just more 5-colour cards)
@@EnigmaticTwister I think being able to cast it for free from that 6 mana dragon and then search your deck and play any suitable card for the situation (probably Sheoldred) - yeah I think that’s sick af.
I guess zoomers don't understand the power of creature lands. But they're always good in standard because they can win games post sweeper or when both players are in top deck mode. I guess they're slightly less good these days because decks rarely run out of gas. If you always have something to do then you just never have time to animate them. So how good they fully depends on how good control is.
@@La_Lente_OscuraThat sounds wonderful... I've never messed with Bo3 just because of the time investment, but if it's really a magical land with no mono red I might have to try it out. What are the meta decks in Bo3 standard?
The End is the best card ever printed, not in this set, in the entire history of Magic The Gathering. 4 mana to get to point at some overpowered, unfun bullshit card and say "no"? 4 mana to rule zero any creature/planeswalker you don't like back to the shadow realm so you can have some actual fun game of honest magic? The only downside of the card is that you can only have 4 in the deck.
am i the only one that think spoiler season has turned from "that looks fun, i cant wait to play that card" to "wow, that looks unfun to play against, im gonna get so sick of playing against that card".
You're a top 10 standard card
No YOU'RE top 10 standard card!
I prefer Seth to stay eternal, though we all will rotate eventually
@@JStack2deep4me
No you
@@JStackwizards to announce 80+ year rotation cycle for Standard, confirmed
Just a quick note, Twining Twins is pronounced liking "dining." To twine: to cause to wind or spiral around something.
Ah, I thought it was a reference to splinter twin
i think this is another case of mispronunciation on purpose
Dining twins
Basically sakashima sakashima
@@terranceilion6704 mispronunciation on purpose? this channel? lol
I think the reason why the whale enters tapped is because it’s already a removal spell and if it’s two removal spells and a finisher that would be far too strong
Yeah, plus the threat of being able to use it would be huge. As soon as you got to enough mana, you would be threatening to cast it every turn. It's like getting a benefit every turn even if you don't cast it.
The fact that it has flash at all makes it allready so much better. You can keep your mana open for counters, and if youre opponent has a bad turn, you can flash it in. I am very sure it will see some play in control decks
This is such a cool way to do a top 10 list. I love hearing both perspectives, because there are so many different kinds of Magic players.
The answer to Questing Druid is Jund. It's definitely a fringe competitor already, Eldraine can really give it that oomph it's needed.
I just realized Sleep-Cursed Faerie and Thing in the Ice and Removing counters could actually be a deck in Pioneer with the right cards
Heartless Act 👀
Could be a thing. Soul diviner draws a card by removing a counter. Plague Belcher is also interesting.
@@the_r4ts I doubt a 3/3 for 3 mana & two cards is necessarily worth it *but* could be a good tech piece in niche situations. 9/10 you use heartless act normally, but you can do weird fairy/ice things if desperate.
Isn't there also a newer card from like MOM in black that removes like 5 or 6 counters from a permanent? I don't remember the exact name and it might be too clunky, but it seems like a neat idea.
@@Red-Tower yes: render inert
Between Decadent Dragon, Mosswood Dreadknight, Questing Druid already make a strong Jund Adventure shell. Now throw in Reflections of Kikki Jikki, and Sheholdred, and you got a real contender in Standard.
Quick question:
I've only seen 9 cards each - the top five and then four honourable mentions make nine. Where's the #10 each?
.. Checked the article, looks like #6 for Seth was Decadent Dragon and #8 for Crim was Virtue of Loyalty.
I'm really hoping that a rock style deck with Dreadknight becomes a thing
We see the two different mtg personalities: Seth, the timmy/combo player and Crim, the spike
Loving the new format! Great job guys! 👏
Seth overhyped Circle of Loyalty, but you laughed at Yorion, Crim.
They both overhyped circle of loyalty.
1) Boros control is going to be a thing with Heartflame Duelist. It could gain you a TON of life with Brotherhood's End, and you can splash black for Archangel of Wrath. The Boros manland is also great, and could easily close out a game.
2) There is a very strong core for Jund with Mosswood Dreadknight, Questing Druid, and Bloodtithe Harvester on 2, with Gix + Glissa on 3, and Sheoldred + Decadent Dragon on 4. Add in GFTT + Edict + Virtue of Persistence for removal.
Crim, better known as that guy who thinks sheoldred is a fair and fine card.
He also thought Veil of Summer was unfair
Heartflame Duelist is coming in to a standard with a lot of Brotherhood's End and some Burn Down the House, so it seems like a really great way for boros to lifegain their way into the late game. Might be enough to make Koth + Chandra + All Will Be One strategies viable, or Virtue of Courage/City on Fire/Arcane Bombardment.
Honestly between Charming Rogue and Goddric, I think mono red aggro is getting a pretty substantial buff with WoE. We'll see if that's enough, but those are auto includes in the deck I think.
I disagree, while they are good cards they do have to compete with Bloodthirsty Adversary, Lightning Strike, Invasion of Tarkir, and Feldon in the two drop slot. While Charming Scoundrel offers flexibility. It is also a great way to being blown out by Cut Down on a chapter 2 of Kumano faces Kakkazan.
Meanwhile. Mono red plays either Furnace Punisher to punish multicolored decks and their manabases or Squee because Squee is recurrable. Overall, I think they are solid cards, and may end up in Mono Red builds depending on the meta, but I don't think they move the needle for Mono Red in Best of three Standard.
I am pretty high on Decadent Dragon (and not just because it's got art from one of my favorite recent magic artists), but it's card advantage, a well-costed, evasive on-curve threat that can ramp & mana fix for the spell half. I mean it's no goldspan dragon (thank god), but I think it's very solid. Also the possibility that it makes jund playable in standard is exciting.
I think Green/Black is the way to go with Dreadknight personally.
The flashy soldier deck is already powerful lol
Not sure if the Fox would be good there since it's not a soldier, but maybe it is better than the Cathar, definitely going to test it
Charming scoundrel is basically guaranteed to be good in standard but not broken: these types of cards usually are and it has so much more flexibility
2 mana mana rock I think will 100% see a good deal of standard play just because jumping from 2 to 4 is huge given the good 4 drops in standard.
One thing I like about The End is it hits *any* creature or planeswalker. We'll be in a format where there are a few ways to turn lands into creatures. The End exiles "any number of cards with the same name as that permanent". You can even exile your own creature land with it.
"Search its controller’s", hitting your own won't do anything good.
@@spunit262 jokes on you, i'll never get landscrewed again! Good topdecks ONLY
One thing I'd say in virtue of loyalty's favour - it is more fizzle proof than other virtues. If you are running the virtues as your wincon, then getting fizzled is a problem. Plus you are on a clock to get them into exile to protect from hand disruption, so waiting for a safe casting window for the adventure is tricky.
grixis "steal your deck" keeps getting better
Spellscorn?! Bold choice.
Awesome video. Those faeries look crazy cool!
I’m honestly going to not play standard until something really changes it (another B&R update, etc.). As a green mage, this standard has honestly been terrible. Hearing Seth and Crim’s comments on Green makes me wonder what’s the point of playing when you’re not enjoying it. Maybe Ixalan will be better.
I see the sleep cursed faerie in modern with torpor orb chopping evokes and removing the stun counters being an upgraded delver.
I want to try and build a Gruul deck in Explorer with Questing Druid, Quirion Dryad, and Burning Tree Emissary. Maybe Bone Crusher as well.
Actually there are a lucky clover and a edgewall innkeeper in the set, they are just both 4 drop uncommon blue fairies for some reason
The reason is to not have them dominate standard like the last time
I see a lot of "Knights" in blue and white... interesting.
Guess what is the only deck that will play The End to deal with Sheoldred? Correct, the Beseech the Sheoldred deck.
Took a couple months off, thanks for these videos! What is the best version of Esper right now?
Seth - Here is a line with the Fox - Flash hitting your own Thalia from a kill - cast a spell that was being taxed on your side or hold mana to let's say so brevity sake you are able to later sac the fox and mana tithe your opponent and gain two life in addition - def some tricky things you can do - or your own Loran or Farmhand or Doggo to double up - maybe even play in a double triggers deck (apparently the mana tithe thing doesn’t check out but still some tricky stuff you can do)
If you sac the fox in response to opponent casting a spell, that's too late. The spell is cast, thalia will not tax it.
@@hedidthething5084oh well still some tricky things you can do regardless at least
Im also into the delver 1 mana faerie. Do something with turn 1. Then go on with your other turns as per usual. I think its worth the card slot
Between Decadent Dragon, Mosswood Dreadknight, and Questing Druid, Jund Adventures is absolutely a thing.
really curious to see how standard will shake up with woe. i hope the meta changes but i doubt it
I swear this set has a lot of combo cards
Is Beseech the Mirror getting Sheoldred not good enough? I guess dimir might not be able to bargain.
As a control player, do not sleep on collectors vault.
I think Mosswood Knight is very good with Faunsbane Troll and Glissa which haven't been mentionned with this card
I wonder if the Decadent Dragon would be too pushed if it had haste -- even instead of trample...it would be a lot better I think
it would be better Goldspan Dragon
Surprised I haven't seen anyone talk about Sleep-cursed faerie with Falco yet
I think Twining Twins is going to be my most triggering mispronunciation of the set :P
Sleep-Cursed Fae + Likeness looter. Looter turns into Sleep-Cursed Fae but doesn;t have the counters so boom. It can even turn into it the turn it ETBs since it doesn't tap to do it.
6:50 A wild Will-o'-the-Wisp appears!
Seth puttting the GB adventure knight on the list at #1 even though Crim and Richard called it trash lmao I agree with him though maybe not #1 I think the BR adventure dragon is some untapped potential there but Mosswood Dreadknight is really good
i was already playing a flash version of soldiers with 4 zephyr sentinel cuz i could also use it in grindy games to bounce the convoke guy to get more creatures and ive been wanting a return of a flash deck, i was a huge fan of simic flash a few years ago and i can already see some kind of flash deck even without being soldiers
Errant and Giada could be good there too
questing druid, mosswood dreadknight.. the return of The Rock? Grindy Golgari!
Everyone forgets that a 5 color green deck top 8'd the pro tour.
No Beseech the Mirror??
Charming scoundrel will definitely see play if you’re playing decadent dragon, so you’re more likely to fix your mana when playing against decks outside your color
My favorite Seth flub in the video is pronouncing “two-drop” as “three-drop”
when I saw sleep-cursed fearie I thought she was kind of busted in a slow and grindy meta
Trout Mask Replica
As a 5 colour atraxa player, I can already say the UB manland does WOOOORK in standard and has already won me several matches, both on defense and offense.
Charming Scoundrel turn 2 can ramp into turn 3 Sheoldred
The fact werefox bodyguard isn't a soldier IS a big deal, isn't it??? You kind of want as many soldiers as possible, so removing a few from the deck would likely make it worse. Although I've always liked the idea of leaning into the more flash style soldiers deck, so maybe there could just be a UW tempo flash deck with a few soldier synergies??
Is it time for Circle of Loyalty finally? 😱
Did anyone else realize that you can actually sacrifice this fox while the trigger is on the stack for the exile and end up permanently removing an opponent's creature from the game as you gain the two life? Could be a good emergency removal spell against graveyard decks.😮
Doesn't work that way
@@dac2007 Actually it sure as heck does! lol. Even if it didn't have flash, it would work because there's no tap. The way it works on the stack is like this. YOU MUST HOLD CONTROL/PRIORITY FOR IT TO WORK. You flash it in. The trigger for exile goes on the stack and you target a creature of your opponents. Then, STILL while holding control, you set the sacrifice trigger and sac the creature. Now you release control. They can save it by bouncing it now since they can interact, but if they don't, what happens is the trigger resolves in reverse order. So the game will see this: release from exile the creature, oh there's no creature to release, then okay, now we need to exile the creature, and it get's exiled, your fox is in your graveyard and the card you targeted is gone forever because you can't ever release it later. It's kind of "stack abuse" but it's very doable. I've done this for ages in pauper with Kor Skyfisher + Ephemerate and Journey to Nowhere. you have a Kor Skyfisher in play already, then you cast a Journey targeting opponents creature, before it resolves, you can ephemerate your kor skyfisher at instant speed, it will then bounce the journey back to hand and try to release the exiled creature before the creature ever gets exiled, then it will end with the exile trigger last and exile their creature but since the journey is back in hand and similarly not on the battlefield anymore, they can never get back their creature. it's an old and dirty trick, but it totally works, I assure you.
@@kats7930 no, you are wrong, there's no trigger to release from exile
What happens is if the Fox is not on the battlefield when the trigger resolves, nothing gets exiled
Try killing a Leyline Binding before it resolves and see what happens
What you have done for years worked differently because of how old cards are worded, now they have fixed it so you can't abuse it. And it's good they've done it.
Isn’t werewolf bodyguard a knight? Not a soldier
So funny how charming scoundrel is by all accounts strictly better than wily goblin, but the double red was a big deal for nykthos or fanatic of Mogis, and being a goblin was a big deal in muxus decks. So not just better!
Really hate how happy and smug Crim is to see green being dumpstered :(
Seth: there's no lucky clover to copy Adventures
Chancellor of Tales: Am I a joke to you?
In all seriousness I know chancellor is not on the same level as clover but I wanted to make the joke.
Sheoldred is going to ruin anything fun
Sleep Cursed Fairy and All Will be One 🤔
Crim Hellsing represent ❤
i really disagree on charming scoundrel it's just not as good as the other 2/2 haste creatures
Why is nobody calling decadent dragon "dragovan"
jund going to be quiet a good deck i guess
Hopeless Nightmare is busted for Standard. I think it might even be a mistake.
that card is not even close to standard power level. No worries!
I do predict it being the most played card from the set, but not the most powerful, so I don't think it is a mistake. #JustBanSheoldred
@@MineRoyale. It's busted. Just watch.
@@bluemage1 I don't find Sheoldred to be a problem at all in standard. The only colour that doesn't have a cheap instant speed answer to her is green and that's a 5 colour deck anyway. There's nothing that needs banning in Standard. The balance is great right now. They just need to print some great mono-green cards (which Eldraine unfortunately doesn't look to be doing, given that the good green cards are just more 5-colour cards)
None of them have beseech the mirror on their list. Big mistake
How is beseech not on this list?
its a standard list so the only relevant target is sheoldred?
@@EnigmaticTwister I think being able to cast it for free from that 6 mana dragon and then search your deck and play any suitable card for the situation (probably Sheoldred) - yeah I think that’s sick af.
@@adNauseam6798 I think it really depends on how playable cards with bargain are.
I guess zoomers don't understand the power of creature lands. But they're always good in standard because they can win games post sweeper or when both players are in top deck mode.
I guess they're slightly less good these days because decks rarely run out of gas. If you always have something to do then you just never have time to animate them. So how good they fully depends on how good control is.
38:00
@elderblue7042 Yes, 38:14 is what got me to write my comment. I wasn't calling Seth a zoomer. 😂
"Do aggro decks exist outside of soldiers?"
Mono red is a top meta deck.
By default they are talking about competitive magic which is Bo3 and mono red is generally at best tier 3
@@La_Lente_OscuraThat sounds wonderful... I've never messed with Bo3 just because of the time investment, but if it's really a magical land with no mono red I might have to try it out.
What are the meta decks in Bo3 standard?
Hahaha I'm a boomer I guess hahahaha since I think of debtors nell (forgive my spelling) 9:19
I'm not excited about anything in the set. I'm not planning on buying a single card lol
This set would be warm oatmeal even without Neon Kamigawa
I think Jeskai prowess could be real.
I am here for Otter-Tribal Temur Prowess!! I'm rooting for the cute little guys!
why all are rares.. god wizzards with the pay pay pay
I respect not putting beseech the mirror cause I don't want to think about this card in rotation 😅
I'm crazy early and a lot of people will see this comment, so friendly reminder to protect trans kids.
Yes; very important to not sterilize minors or conduct highly invasive cosmetic surgeries on people too young to consent to tattoos 😊
@@Audentior_Ito is really out here posting transphobic comments on MTGGoldfish preview videos
❤
@@Audentior_Itowhat are you actually saying here?
This comment inspired me to donate 300$ to feminist icon and QUEEN JK Rowling. 🫡
That Sid Vicious necklace is so cringe
Is that part of the Green Day Hot Topics accessories package?
RATS!!!!!!
Rakdos is back. 😒
The End is the best card ever printed, not in this set, in the entire history of Magic The Gathering. 4 mana to get to point at some overpowered, unfun bullshit card and say "no"? 4 mana to rule zero any creature/planeswalker you don't like back to the shadow realm so you can have some actual fun game of honest magic? The only downside of the card is that you can only have 4 in the deck.
THIRD!
seth talks, fast thumbs down and window close... :(
FIRST
first
no
am i the only one that think spoiler season has turned from "that looks fun, i cant wait to play that card" to "wow, that looks unfun to play against, im gonna get so sick of playing against that card".