Love you 3 together, love the show… I’m with Vogel on the Acolyte. So happy we’re getting new characters & timeline adventures. Can’t wait to see where it goes…
Yeah, that's what I think, too. I mean, sure, he's been a Knight for 2 years... but, considering some of the long lived species that are in the galaxy and in the Order, it's still 'only' two years and I think he's just being super uptight and trying to imitate what he thinks is the ideal/model Jedi and coming across as stiff b/c of it.
I’m just an easy mark. Give me anything set in the SW universe and I’ll watch it. At the very least, it adds to the lore. Not every piece of SW content will connect with every single fan. It’s been like that since the 80s. This is no different.
@@IndianaJake lol ok. The irony here is hilarious. Do you think it’s possible that comments like yours are why people feel like online fandom is toxic?
I just want good well acted stories that are well edited. I don’t want marvel-esque “I’m watching for the connections between this or that” and not the actual thing itself. Star Wars has lost its mystique.
@@rettro6578 I agree, I think everyone wants that, but historically that hasn’t been SW. A lot of fans and critics hated ROTJ, the Prequels, Clone Wars, the Sequels, etc. It’s very rare that SW is universally praised for its objectively great filmmaking.
I'm Team Rocha, to a degree. This show is intriguing but weak overall. It feels very kiddy-focused: aimed at young adults, and the acting is very CWi-ish. Action is NOT GOOd. Obvious choreography. Prodution Design is meh. Dialougue is bad. A bit modern. We'll see.
This show (The Acolyte) so far is neither good or bad. It's average at best. I'm not excited to see the next episode like previous Star Wars shows. Hopefully it gets better, but unfortunately I don't think it will. The tone has been set with the 1st 2 episodes.
Loved both episodes. Simple as that. Not saying its perfect and cant be criticized. And not everything is for everyone. But some of the criticism isnt criticism at all. Its pure hate and absurdism. One random example. A certain person is claiming its the worst SW ever made because fire in space. Which yes, cant happen. But it happens in every ST film and series from the beginning. Its not like it all of a sudden happened. Its science fiction/fantasy. Being upset at that tiny thing is absurd in context.
Those bad faith haters will try to find any reason to hate on the show. Complaining about fire is a lot easier than thoughtfully explaining why a particular story point isn’t working for you. Love what you love. They don’t represent all of fandom.
@@MrChaosi That’s cool if that’s how you feel. It’s not really my responsibility to convince you to like it. I’m sure there’s a lot of stuff you like, that I don’t like. Fortunately there’s plenty of options out there.
That stayin Alive joke by shannon almost made me crash out when I was driving home 😅😅. Acolyte is pretty terrible compared to andor but i'll watch anything SW I guess. Cheers
Great breakdown! I’m liking a lot of what’s been presented so far, and I hope the show will gain momentum with fans and in-storyline. I like the Qirim theory 😮
I love all things SW and will watch everything, usually 2-3 times. This new rendition made me fall asleep 💤. The writing was amateur at best. Pretty disappointed with some of the acting. I can’t wait for the next project. As far as this one, I can’t keep watching it.
None of you picked up on the fact that the drunk smuggler still got the best of mae even though she got the drop on him at the end of the episode that alone tells you that he is more skilled than he appears to be.
after that , Mae, "my sister is life", mae will look for Osha, but Qirim, "I know where the wookie is", Lets go.... I get Mae motivation, I dont get her Master motivation...
Just because we didn't mention it, doesn't mean we didn't notice it. We actually made fun of his line that he says there about the planet where Kelnaac is. I'm not fully buying Mae as too much of a bad ass so it wasn't a surprise that Qimir got the best of her which is why I didn't bother mentioning it.
That's the most disingenuous answer I have ever heard. Just because you don't buy the implication that mae is a skilled hand to hand combatant you are not going to mention it in your broadcast, even though the show ( however clumsily) clearly implies this character trait. All that says is that you either have seen the four screener episodes and know more than you are letting on or you think we the audience are stupid, and don't realize that you are trying to string out the interest in this meteorically written show to get clicks .
I was wondering the same as well on the twins bein fraternal and not identical... But seeing the Usos in WWE looking so much alike but actually fraternal, I guess that could happen I guess.
Agree with Vogel. I thought, "We have our new Palpatine." I could be wrong, but it really seemed that way. He showed a lot of intelligence and was being disregarded by both the Jedi and Mae.
For me, a solid start and I'm overall in-line with your collective pluses and minuses. I strongly agree that Osha wasn't talking to Mae in her force vision and I think she is being groomed. Also, like others, I predict a role reversal for the twins: Osha will feel betrayed by the light side, and Mae will feel betrayed by the dark side once the true story is revealed,
Yord is what Phantom menace Jedi will become. By the book quick to fight uncompromising and emotional less and Manny Jacinto is the apprentice training his Acolyte in preparation to challenge his master. Also I think they are not twins. I’m thinking force diad born to twin sisters. I think their mothers are twins
Im feeling right in the middle as well. Some very bland acting and dialogue. Some eye rolling moments. Sol is great so far. The mystery though, i feel like ive figured it out already. Pretty sure Indara faked her death and has been using Mae to cover her tracks
I heard the Andor comparison again.Did you guys watch Andor? Slow, boring, no saber duels or martial art fights. Just boring talk. The opening fight in this should have most people invested in it.
It just occurred to me that Yord showed up on Osha's ship with a Padawan, but then she was nowhere when he went off with Sol. Maybe I just don't understand the Jedi-Padawan relationship, but I thought the point was for the Padawan to always be next to the Jedi to learn stuff. Was that just A Padawan who was assigned to go with Yord and not HIS Padawan?
She wouldn'tve known the skylight was open in that particular room in the temple until she was in it. 🤷🏾♂️ OTOH, I've gotta agree now that Mike has pointed it out - Jason as Palpatine!
How do you know the information they got was worth anything? He's a smuggler, He's gonna say anything to get himself out of the situation. In the end, you're gonna have the same info you had when you started. You think Weimar told them about he 4 Jedi that Mae wants to kill because he was scared? If he's the Sith then he's slow walking all of them into some trap. Maybe with Yord's plan. You actually take him in and keep him imprisoned and throw off whatever's gonna happen on that planet with Kelnacca.
See, I push back against this notion of Jedi Order or Council not being a good idea. That narrative has been getting pushed since the PT and through the TCW (and I love TCW) with the Jedi being arrogant or blinded by pride, etc, but... These same Jedi kept the peace (according to canon so far, but may get changed up b/c they seem to be pushing that narrative hard for the past couple of decades) for thousands upon thousands of years. Compare that to Palpatine's empire that lasted... what? 20 years? The Jedi are batting like .998 or something and were only deposed when maybe the most powerful Sith of all time, assisted by maybe the most powerful Jedi of all time schemed and schemed to bring about the end of the Republic and Order. So, let's not be so hasty on the Jedi way was bad. That's like the end of Minority Report where they had a system that worked like 99% of the time and b/c Max von Sydow figured out how to fool the system once, they decided to throw out the entire system... you know, going back to the system that would imprison innocent people, execute them by mistake far, far more frequently (don't come after me for my Minority Report take, people! Let's stick with SW for this round lol) than the system in Minority Report. This says nothing of the key to the fall which was Qui-gon Jinn, right? The Jedi had a system in place that didn't allow kids who were too old to train b/c they would have developed attachments and strong feelings for people and things around them. They also sensed the anger and sorrow inside Anakin which they knew often leads to the Dark Side... and what happened? Despite all the safeguards and guidelines the Order had that had worked and been tested for thousands of generations, Qui-gon /insisted/ that the Jedi train him! Had he not insisted it, through his ego and hubris and pride and blind belief in the prophecy, Anakin would not have been trained and not been in a position to threaten and exterminate so many Jedi nor be Palpatine's right hand. And it goes on! When Qui-gon died, it should have ended there! But, no! He makes Obi-wan /promise/ to train Anakin. So strongly was Qui-gon attached to Anakin, so much did he desire for Anakin to be trained that he made his padawan promise him to go against thousands of years of tried and tested Jedi guidelines and rules... so that Qui-gon could be right! *Even Padawan Kenobi tells Qui-gon, "The boy is dangerous. They all sense it, why can't you?"* B/c it's not the Jedi that were clouded by their hubris! It was Qui-Gon. Had the Jedi followed through with their rules instead of letting Jinn have his way, none of this would have happened! Of course, then, what did Obi-Wan do?? He promises Qui-Gon, against the tried and true established rules of the Jedi... to train Anakin! After he warned him that the boy is dangerous and that everyone, but Qui-Gon sensed it! It's like I'm taking crazy pills here!!! 😆 So, I don't know why it's become popular to crap on the Jedi or talk about how the Jedi Order was arrogant or proud or whatever. Now, starting with the PT, they have leaned into it with stories so it's only served to reinforce it, but... I'm not a fan (minus TCW which is amazing). Bring it Vogel! I have impugned your Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn!
Sorry but I thought this shows first 2 episodes were horrible. Atrocious acting. Story and editing is all over the place. Feels cheap. No realizm to anything. It's not believable. The robort merc looked like robotman from doom patrol. Why are you here?..to kill you?..who wrote this?.
To me, Mae didn't know there was the open ceiling before. She found out as she went in. The one thing that bothered me was the crash of the ship. Osha should at least have tried to navigate the damn ship somehow. I guess she just trusted the force.... 😐 All the rest you guys complain about I couldn't spot. Not even the abrupt ends. I didn't feel it.
I think Yord is growing as a character, as evidenced by his swift defense of Osha after Torbin's death. Let's give him a chance to redeem himself - i see a lot of commitments calling him a "himbo" or worse. #JusticeForYord
Guilty (of calling him a himbo) I'm starting to think I could be wrong, he's not the best Jedi there is, probably relies TO MUCH on the strict rules, but I may have been unfair in labelling him a himbo, you're right.
One of the issues I do have with the show that I kinda touch on in my first comment is that the Jedi here don't seem any less arrogant, prideful or... callous? Than the ones we see in the PT era Jedi. If anything these Jedi may be even more so and that doesn't do much to distinguish the Jedi of this era as supposedly being more enlightened or wiser than the PT era and if that's the case... why did we bother to set this story 100 years before PT if, essentially, the Jedi of this era are just as flawed as the Jedi of the PT? We already see them being bureaucratic... just like in the PT. We see them concerned with political fallouts of a Jedi Order that's perceived to have weaknesses or flaws... just like in the PT. We already see that there are people who think of them as elitist and callous... like in the PT (and TCW, too). We see them being blinded and making poor decisions b/c they are arrogant and/or prideful... just like in the PT. Again, maybe I'll be wrong about these, maybe the series will still impress with all of this being true, but it feels like a fundamental approach to the SW franchise that seems foundational which immediately has me crossing my arms. I would love to be proven wrong, though.
Yord has an issue with fear and feeling insecure. Sol takes him because 1 he is the opposite from Sol, so, in a way, he balances himself, and 2 he (Sol) enjoys the idea of teaching him: "don't let your fear influence your decisions" (my phrasing). I wonder (maybe it's on the trailers) what is Sol's lightsaber's color! Because we haven't seen it. As Mike said, Yord likes to light his. I agree with Mike about Qimir: he is waaay more than what he seems to be.
Yord summed up in a one sentence: Book smarts vs street smarts. For a High Republic equivalent, though not exactly the same, think Reath Silas. I think that's why Osha was pleasantly surprised that he was knighted. He's such a rule follower rather than someone who allows himself to live extemporaneously, which feels more like the Jedi of the time. Agree on his tendency to get his lightsaber off too quickly, but seeing someone other than Cal Kestis and the Fourth Sister use their lightsaber as a flashlight in caves warmed my heart.
And yeah, Yord is definitely the straightlaced "rookie" cop who is going to mess up big and have to learn from that. It'll be funny when he becomes the Billy Rosewood of this era.
I liked the acting, the characters, the sfx and most things so far. Like others and you guys have mentioned, it's not perfect and it's got some holes, but my apprehension has more to do with the general direction of SW post OT and starting with PT and less to do with the specifics of this show (though I do have those, too)? (I know I've said this in a bunch of other places including Rocha's reaction videos) Which is that I thought we were going to get a story about the Jedi (and whatever threats) during peak Jedi era of the High Republic. What we seem to be getting is another "Jedi get the wool pulled over their eyes / The Jedi are brought low, yet again, b/c of their arrogance or hubris" story. We already got that with the PT and I thought we were going to get wiser, more enlightened Jedi who are basically paragons of virtue, but have to navigate an imperfect world full of people who aren't like them, don't share their ideals or their perspectives and have to deal with the suffering and problems that do exist in the world (as well as any dark forces operating behind the scenes). This world and these Jedi don't feel that much different than the PT era Jedi. If anything, they may feel even more callous, elitist, bureaucratic and prideful. And I have a mini-hypothesis as to why. It feels like, since the OT, they've slowly backed away from the original vision(tm) of the idyllic/ideal Jedi and Old/High Republic for maybe one of two reasons. First, it's too hard to write virtuous, forthright characters who are pretty nearly flawless, but not perfect. At best, people may see them as boring, at worst, they will come across as super pretentious and sanctimonious. Second, especially now, we like our characters to be flawed, even broken. We're in a age where we love dark and gritty and morally compromised or 'dark' characters. It's why we prefer Batman over Superman. It's why GOT and WD were super popular at least early on. It's why people liked the Daredevil series as well as Punisher. It's why people are enjoying shows like The Boys and HotD. And I wholeheartedly admit I love me my edgelord, angsty emo shows, but... I would also love to see the opposite. And, ok, so what if it's hard to write for near perfect characters who are full of wisdom, intelligence and compassion. That's what good writing should be able to do. Make compelling stories even in a world or people that seem idyllic b/c the world isn't perfect even if it seems that way or is close. It's also the reason why I like TOS and TNG. They were able to write compelling stories and characters even as human and galactic societies (or at least the Federation) were near utopian. Maybe it just takes more work or is harder, but that shouldn't be an excuse not to do it. It's almost cowardly or lazier to fall back on broken characters/world b/c it's easier. This isn't a unique thing to this show, it feels more like a general trend starting with the PT where they really go into the pride, arrogance and hubris of the Jedi that culminates in Palpatine being able to bring down the Old Republic and eliminate (most of the) Jedi and I would like to see a fresh, new different take that explores the supposed Jedi that were first described by the Alec Guinness Kenobi.
I'm enjoying this series more than I thought I would. The fact that it doesn't look like "100 years ago" is not bothering me so much, although I still stand by it: it doesn't. But yeah, it's very good up until now. I'm with Mike, but without having read any books, so, good, right? If it ends strong, this will be my #2 series after Andor. Mandalorian season 1 was good, season 2 was ok, but I lost interest and haven't seen season 3. Boba Fett was lame. Ahsoka was meh. I'm hoping this will be #2, if it goes well, because I find it difficult that it will be better than Andor. Nice to follow your shows, Geek Buddies! 😄 Cheers from Rio, Brazil!
I disagree from John that Sol is too much of a good heart. And I disagree from Mike that Qimir shouldn't have been arrested: he's an accomplice, and they have his confession. They also know that he is in the place of the former apothecary, and I missed the investigation of that: Qimir seems to have gotten rid of the guy, by his talk with Mae.
I watched these first two episodes at a friends. I'll wait for Andor to resub to Disney+ for a short time. People can't afford all this stuff anymore. I'm really tired.
I enjoyed the first two episodes. I’m interested to see where it goes. I agree with The Buddies for the most part, logic and decisions at times can be a better, but overall it’s been good. I believe we’re in for more surprises than we think.
@@JohnRochaSaysLol, no therapy for this particular thing. I already admitted I'm wrong in calling him a himbo (but I wrote it, so no deletions), but, in our conversation, yes, he's definitely a fascist. Which some might say was the way the Jedi leant back then. They certainly seem very comfortable in reaching into people's thoughts. Yord seems quick to pull out his gun, I mean, light sabre.
Jecki asking Sol if she can speak feels more like her slyly making fun of being prim and proper like Yord than her being a stick in the mud. She seems to float in between Yord's end of things and Sol's end of things. I'm curious to see more of how she develops. It doesn't feel like they're trying to make it seem like the women are better than Yord. It just feels like Jecki is more open to the improv of being out in the field than the textbook.
I'm with Michael, Qimir is straight up Keyser Soze. After 2 episodes, this show is just ok. Just not feeling the stakes. Hope it builds to something bigger.
My rhing is, they got click baity when you put a Goddess like Carrie Ann Moss as your lead Jedi only to kill her prematurely in the first 10 damn minutes!! For her to now just be in flashbacks leaves some of the hope in the show kinda limp. But I maintain faith. Let us see. Lol love u guys as always ❤❤
Is this a writing faux? Yord is dispatched by the Jedi Order to apprehend Osha because she meets the description of Master Indara's killer. In the story dialogue, it is said that Indara objected to Osha's Jedi training. However, in the opening sequence of Ep1, Indara does not recognize Osha. Is this a continuity writing error?
She says what are "you" doing here when she pulls down Mae's mask, indicating she knows her. She also sees the witch's symbol on her forehead, so she recognizes her as Mae rather than Osha.
How is that relevant they are still Jedi. So what your saying the jedi are saying " O well let them die they weren't important". Like come on dude think think before you speak.
It's just ok, but I'm with Shannon saying it's uneven. So far the logic is clunky and the tension is weak. I'll watch the next couple but mostly out of curiosity and just to hold me down until HotD season 2 drops. I prefer the inclusive representation but I'm frustrated that it comes in a mediocre package.
Love you 3 together, love the show… I’m with Vogel on the Acolyte. So happy we’re getting new characters & timeline adventures. Can’t wait to see where it goes…
Totally agree with Vogel Yord talk. I didn’t read him as a bumbling fool, I read him as an obi wan to Sols Qui gon. Rules rules.
Love Yord
Yeah, that's what I think, too. I mean, sure, he's been a Knight for 2 years... but, considering some of the long lived species that are in the galaxy and in the Order, it's still 'only' two years and I think he's just being super uptight and trying to imitate what he thinks is the ideal/model Jedi and coming across as stiff b/c of it.
Don't forget Qirim handled Mae when she attacked him in the alley.
I think that must be one of the reasons why Michael thinks that Qimir may be the secret master.
@@Vulcanerd It is. I'm not convinced, but there is enough circumstantial evidence to consider it. For now, at least.
Sol instantly one of my fave characters. Hope he really leans into the grey. 🤞🏽🤞🏽
That is true. Sol doesn't need to be a grey Jedi. @@IndianaJake
I’m just an easy mark. Give me anything set in the SW universe and I’ll watch it. At the very least, it adds to the lore. Not every piece of SW content will connect with every single fan. It’s been like that since the 80s. This is no different.
Ditto!
@@IndianaJake lol ok. The irony here is hilarious. Do you think it’s possible that comments like yours are why people feel like online fandom is toxic?
I just want good well acted stories that are well edited. I don’t want marvel-esque “I’m watching for the connections between this or that” and not the actual thing itself. Star Wars has lost its mystique.
@@IndianaJake Correct. And?
@@rettro6578 I agree, I think everyone wants that, but historically that hasn’t been SW. A lot of fans and critics hated ROTJ, the Prequels, Clone Wars, the Sequels, etc. It’s very rare that SW is universally praised for its objectively great filmmaking.
It takes a brave soul to create anything Star Wars these days.
I'm Team Rocha, to a degree. This show is intriguing but weak overall. It feels very kiddy-focused: aimed at young adults, and the acting is very CWi-ish.
Action is NOT GOOd. Obvious choreography.
Prodution Design is meh.
Dialougue is bad. A bit modern.
We'll see.
This show (The Acolyte) so far is neither good or bad. It's average at best. I'm not excited to see the next episode like previous Star Wars shows. Hopefully it gets better, but unfortunately I don't think it will. The tone has been set with the 1st 2 episodes.
Loved both episodes. Simple as that.
Not saying its perfect and cant be criticized. And not everything is for everyone.
But some of the criticism isnt criticism at all. Its pure hate and absurdism. One random example. A certain person is claiming its the worst SW ever made because fire in space. Which yes, cant happen. But it happens in every ST film and series from the beginning. Its not like it all of a sudden happened. Its science fiction/fantasy. Being upset at that tiny thing is absurd in context.
Those bad faith haters will try to find any reason to hate on the show. Complaining about fire is a lot easier than thoughtfully explaining why a particular story point isn’t working for you. Love what you love. They don’t represent all of fandom.
@@JGfromSpace. dude... the show is just bad.. deal with it
@@MrChaosi That’s cool if that’s how you feel. It’s not really my responsibility to convince you to like it. I’m sure there’s a lot of stuff you like, that I don’t like. Fortunately there’s plenty of options out there.
@@MrChaosi I liked it. Yes, there are people out there who DO NOT share your opinion. Very Good show.
That stayin Alive joke by shannon almost made me crash out when I was driving home 😅😅. Acolyte is pretty terrible compared to andor but i'll watch anything SW I guess. Cheers
Love that reaction, but don’t crash!
Great breakdown! I’m liking a lot of what’s been presented so far, and I hope the show will gain momentum with fans and in-storyline.
I like the Qirim theory 😮
I'm sooooo loving your star wars debating! 😂
And I'm invested in the Acolyte show.
Bring on next week
Good discussion. Thank you Sr. Outlaw
I love all things SW and will watch everything, usually 2-3 times. This new rendition made me fall asleep 💤. The writing was amateur at best. Pretty disappointed with some of the acting. I can’t wait for the next project. As far as this one, I can’t keep watching it.
For something touted as a ''new era'' this has been pretty derivative and generic.
I feel like 95% of the cast has bad dialogue
None of you picked up on the fact that the drunk smuggler still got the best of mae even though she got the drop on him at the end of the episode that alone tells you that he is more skilled than he appears to be.
I noticed that too.
after that , Mae, "my sister is life", mae will look for Osha, but Qirim, "I know where the wookie is", Lets go.... I get Mae motivation, I dont get her Master motivation...
Just because we didn't mention it, doesn't mean we didn't notice it. We actually made fun of his line that he says there about the planet where Kelnaac is. I'm not fully buying Mae as too much of a bad ass so it wasn't a surprise that Qimir got the best of her which is why I didn't bother mentioning it.
That's the most disingenuous answer I have ever heard. Just because you don't buy the implication that mae is a skilled hand to hand combatant you are not going to mention it in your broadcast, even though the show ( however clumsily) clearly implies this character trait. All that says is that you either have seen the four screener episodes and know more than you are letting on or you think we the audience are stupid, and don't realize that you are trying to string out the interest in this meteorically written show to get clicks .
... I guess I'm safe to get a purple lightsaber.
But I still want a yellow sentinel lightsaber.
I was wondering the same as well on the twins bein fraternal and not identical... But seeing the Usos in WWE looking so much alike but actually fraternal, I guess that could happen I guess.
Agree with Vogel. I thought, "We have our new Palpatine." I could be wrong, but it really seemed that way. He showed a lot of intelligence and was being disregarded by both the Jedi and Mae.
For me, a solid start and I'm overall in-line with your collective pluses and minuses. I strongly agree that Osha wasn't talking to Mae in her force vision and I think she is being groomed. Also, like others, I predict a role reversal for the twins: Osha will feel betrayed by the light side, and Mae will feel betrayed by the dark side once the true story is revealed,
I also wonder if Yorde actually witnessed Osha arriving after Torbyn was already dead or if he was just covering for her.
29:23 He ain't staying alive🕺
Great show, becoming a big fan of your channel Rocha. Keep it up!
He learned English for this role so you will have to excuse him at times as it clearly isn’t his language
Yes. We spoke about that, Matthew. And as the son of immigrants I am well aware of struggling to learn the language and emote at the same time.
Yord is what Phantom menace Jedi will become. By the book quick to fight uncompromising and emotional less and Manny Jacinto is the apprentice training his Acolyte in preparation to challenge his master. Also I think they are not twins. I’m thinking force diad born to twin sisters. I think their mothers are twins
Man, didn’t even think about the angle Vogel shared. Have to rewatch episode 2.
Im feeling right in the middle as well. Some very bland acting and dialogue. Some eye rolling moments. Sol is great so far. The mystery though, i feel like ive figured it out already. Pretty sure Indara faked her death and has been using Mae to cover her tracks
When you guys are on you are on! Great f’in show! I love all of your criticisms and theories! Makes me more interested in the show!
So far I am liking this show and am willing to see where it goes
"He ain't stayin' alive" 🤣🤣🤣 Damn Shannon.
Excellent popnts made by all three of you, what a pleasure. Cheers!
Yords plan gets them no info or any clue to Mays plans
Vogel had some great takes here.
Extremely common Vogel W
Yeah the Jedi are arrogant and blind… didn’t have a trilogy involving that already…
So what?
Disney needs to be stopped. This is insane.
"That's what people want. "Give us some shit. Mangia. We're the people. Give us the shit. Mangia, mangia, mangia." -Dave Skylark 😂
Why ? What at is wrong with this except it has females and people of color in it ?
Hard disagree with Shannon on the fights. GIVE ME MORE!
AH-AH-AH-AH, Not stayin' alive, not stayin' alive~
Hail to my Dadjoke Master Shannon! The DadForce is strong with the McClung!
🕺
I heard the Andor comparison again.Did you guys watch Andor? Slow, boring, no saber duels or martial art fights. Just boring talk. The opening fight in this should have most people invested in it.
It just occurred to me that Yord showed up on Osha's ship with a Padawan, but then she was nowhere when he went off with Sol. Maybe I just don't understand the Jedi-Padawan relationship, but I thought the point was for the Padawan to always be next to the Jedi to learn stuff. Was that just A Padawan who was assigned to go with Yord and not HIS Padawan?
I loved the first 2 episodes (went to the fan screening). Looking forward to this review since Monday.
So Mike? Are you saying that Yord is the Jedi version of Trooper Dogma?
😉
Thanks!
Thanks, Sharon!
Sharon always chipping in for the Outlaw and GBs. Respect to Sharon.
Vogel is wrong on Yord. The implications of the lines about him are 100% in line with how Shannon presented them.
It's a flawed show, but unless, or until from rumors, it breaks canon, the flaws aren't enough to take me out of the show.
IT IS QIMIR man, not freaking qirum
Ahhhhhh! I got one of the 8 new characters in a Star Wars show wrong. Call the police!
@@JohnRochaSays 🚓🚨
Thnx for diving! I’ve been stoked on this show and I can’t wait for episode 3
Yes! I was looking forward to this 👌 love when you three get together
Amandla is an incredible actor, and this show is making her come across as just subpar.
She wouldn'tve known the skylight was open in that particular room in the temple until she was in it. 🤷🏾♂️
OTOH, I've gotta agree now that Mike has pointed it out - Jason as Palpatine!
You guys are bending over backwards way too much for this show. Letting Jacinto off with a warning is ABSURD. The Acolyte is poorly written.
I pointed that out. Both Shannon and I agreed it was a mistake. How were we bending over backwards for it???
Sounds like rocks doesn’t understand the Jedi
I reckon Yord is the Sith.
I'm assuming the 4 Jedi killed their tribe...because they were Sith....is that a mystery really.
Or “thought” they were Sith or Sith potential and could of been mistaken or mislead by a real Sith
the force is lesbian, yesterday was female
The story & cast have been pretty meh for me so far, a 5.5/10 sadly.
I don’t understand how Rocha thinks Yord’s plan was right. With his plan they wouldn’t have gotten the information.
How do you know the information they got was worth anything? He's a smuggler, He's gonna say anything to get himself out of the situation. In the end, you're gonna have the same info you had when you started. You think Weimar told them about he 4 Jedi that Mae wants to kill because he was scared? If he's the Sith then he's slow walking all of them into some trap. Maybe with Yord's plan. You actually take him in and keep him imprisoned and throw off whatever's gonna happen on that planet with Kelnacca.
''Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.''
See, I push back against this notion of Jedi Order or Council not being a good idea.
That narrative has been getting pushed since the PT and through the TCW (and I love TCW) with the Jedi being arrogant or blinded by pride, etc, but... These same Jedi kept the peace (according to canon so far, but may get changed up b/c they seem to be pushing that narrative hard for the past couple of decades) for thousands upon thousands of years. Compare that to Palpatine's empire that lasted... what? 20 years? The Jedi are batting like .998 or something and were only deposed when maybe the most powerful Sith of all time, assisted by maybe the most powerful Jedi of all time schemed and schemed to bring about the end of the Republic and Order. So, let's not be so hasty on the Jedi way was bad. That's like the end of Minority Report where they had a system that worked like 99% of the time and b/c Max von Sydow figured out how to fool the system once, they decided to throw out the entire system... you know, going back to the system that would imprison innocent people, execute them by mistake far, far more frequently (don't come after me for my Minority Report take, people! Let's stick with SW for this round lol) than the system in Minority Report.
This says nothing of the key to the fall which was Qui-gon Jinn, right? The Jedi had a system in place that didn't allow kids who were too old to train b/c they would have developed attachments and strong feelings for people and things around them. They also sensed the anger and sorrow inside Anakin which they knew often leads to the Dark Side... and what happened? Despite all the safeguards and guidelines the Order had that had worked and been tested for thousands of generations, Qui-gon /insisted/ that the Jedi train him! Had he not insisted it, through his ego and hubris and pride and blind belief in the prophecy, Anakin would not have been trained and not been in a position to threaten and exterminate so many Jedi nor be Palpatine's right hand.
And it goes on! When Qui-gon died, it should have ended there! But, no! He makes Obi-wan /promise/ to train Anakin. So strongly was Qui-gon attached to Anakin, so much did he desire for Anakin to be trained that he made his padawan promise him to go against thousands of years of tried and tested Jedi guidelines and rules... so that Qui-gon could be right!
*Even Padawan Kenobi tells Qui-gon, "The boy is dangerous. They all sense it, why can't you?"* B/c it's not the Jedi that were clouded by their hubris! It was Qui-Gon. Had the Jedi followed through with their rules instead of letting Jinn have his way, none of this would have happened! Of course, then, what did Obi-Wan do?? He promises Qui-Gon, against the tried and true established rules of the Jedi... to train Anakin! After he warned him that the boy is dangerous and that everyone, but Qui-Gon sensed it! It's like I'm taking crazy pills here!!! 😆
So, I don't know why it's become popular to crap on the Jedi or talk about how the Jedi Order was arrogant or proud or whatever. Now, starting with the PT, they have leaned into it with stories so it's only served to reinforce it, but... I'm not a fan (minus TCW which is amazing).
Bring it Vogel! I have impugned your Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn!
Sorry but I thought this shows first 2 episodes were horrible. Atrocious acting. Story and editing is all over the place. Feels cheap. No realizm to anything. It's not believable. The robort merc looked like robotman from doom patrol. Why are you here?..to kill you?..who wrote this?.
To me, Mae didn't know there was the open ceiling before. She found out as she went in.
The one thing that bothered me was the crash of the ship. Osha should at least have tried to navigate the damn ship somehow. I guess she just trusted the force.... 😐
All the rest you guys complain about I couldn't spot. Not even the abrupt ends. I didn't feel it.
Rip masters stellen
I think Yord is growing as a character, as evidenced by his swift defense of Osha after Torbin's death. Let's give him a chance to redeem himself - i see a lot of commitments calling him a "himbo" or worse. #JusticeForYord
Guilty (of calling him a himbo) I'm starting to think I could be wrong, he's not the best Jedi there is, probably relies TO MUCH on the strict rules, but I may have been unfair in labelling him a himbo, you're right.
One of the issues I do have with the show that I kinda touch on in my first comment is that the Jedi here don't seem any less arrogant, prideful or... callous? Than the ones we see in the PT era Jedi. If anything these Jedi may be even more so and that doesn't do much to distinguish the Jedi of this era as supposedly being more enlightened or wiser than the PT era and if that's the case... why did we bother to set this story 100 years before PT if, essentially, the Jedi of this era are just as flawed as the Jedi of the PT?
We already see them being bureaucratic... just like in the PT. We see them concerned with political fallouts of a Jedi Order that's perceived to have weaknesses or flaws... just like in the PT. We already see that there are people who think of them as elitist and callous... like in the PT (and TCW, too). We see them being blinded and making poor decisions b/c they are arrogant and/or prideful... just like in the PT.
Again, maybe I'll be wrong about these, maybe the series will still impress with all of this being true, but it feels like a fundamental approach to the SW franchise that seems foundational which immediately has me crossing my arms. I would love to be proven wrong, though.
I think I read that Lee Jung-jae actually learned english for this role. Pretty incredible performance knowing that
Yord should have no clue where he comes from.
Say the words John. Plot Armor.
That purple lightsaber/bald comment is hilarious.
Revan was probably bald under his mask, too.
Torbin = 70's Jesus.
YORRRRRRRD.
Thanks for taking my suggestion on only one musical intro for these. I’m not a Whovian so this has been my first exposure 😇
We gotchu
Yord has an issue with fear and feeling insecure.
Sol takes him because 1 he is the opposite from Sol, so, in a way, he balances himself, and 2 he (Sol) enjoys the idea of teaching him: "don't let your fear influence your decisions" (my phrasing).
I wonder (maybe it's on the trailers) what is Sol's lightsaber's color! Because we haven't seen it. As Mike said, Yord likes to light his.
I agree with Mike about Qimir: he is waaay more than what he seems to be.
Maul (Solo) and the 'Main baddy' use lightsaber ignition in a similar fashion to show their pleasure as things are going as planned
Yeah dumb
Yeah dumb
That Jedi bureaucracy....😬
Yord summed up in a one sentence: Book smarts vs street smarts. For a High Republic equivalent, though not exactly the same, think Reath Silas. I think that's why Osha was pleasantly surprised that he was knighted. He's such a rule follower rather than someone who allows himself to live extemporaneously, which feels more like the Jedi of the time.
Agree on his tendency to get his lightsaber off too quickly, but seeing someone other than Cal Kestis and the Fourth Sister use their lightsaber as a flashlight in caves warmed my heart.
And yeah, Yord is definitely the straightlaced "rookie" cop who is going to mess up big and have to learn from that. It'll be funny when he becomes the Billy Rosewood of this era.
Reath is a great example
Im with Shannon on this one, I do think it can get better.
Hellll yassssss kings!! Been waiting for the Geeks of Buddies!!!😂😂❤❤
I liked the acting, the characters, the sfx and most things so far. Like others and you guys have mentioned, it's not perfect and it's got some holes, but my apprehension has more to do with the general direction of SW post OT and starting with PT and less to do with the specifics of this show (though I do have those, too)?
(I know I've said this in a bunch of other places including Rocha's reaction videos)
Which is that I thought we were going to get a story about the Jedi (and whatever threats) during peak Jedi era of the High Republic. What we seem to be getting is another "Jedi get the wool pulled over their eyes / The Jedi are brought low, yet again, b/c of their arrogance or hubris" story. We already got that with the PT and I thought we were going to get wiser, more enlightened Jedi who are basically paragons of virtue, but have to navigate an imperfect world full of people who aren't like them, don't share their ideals or their perspectives and have to deal with the suffering and problems that do exist in the world (as well as any dark forces operating behind the scenes). This world and these Jedi don't feel that much different than the PT era Jedi. If anything, they may feel even more callous, elitist, bureaucratic and prideful.
And I have a mini-hypothesis as to why.
It feels like, since the OT, they've slowly backed away from the original vision(tm) of the idyllic/ideal Jedi and Old/High Republic for maybe one of two reasons. First, it's too hard to write virtuous, forthright characters who are pretty nearly flawless, but not perfect. At best, people may see them as boring, at worst, they will come across as super pretentious and sanctimonious. Second, especially now, we like our characters to be flawed, even broken. We're in a age where we love dark and gritty and morally compromised or 'dark' characters. It's why we prefer Batman over Superman. It's why GOT and WD were super popular at least early on. It's why people liked the Daredevil series as well as Punisher. It's why people are enjoying shows like The Boys and HotD. And I wholeheartedly admit I love me my edgelord, angsty emo shows, but... I would also love to see the opposite.
And, ok, so what if it's hard to write for near perfect characters who are full of wisdom, intelligence and compassion. That's what good writing should be able to do. Make compelling stories even in a world or people that seem idyllic b/c the world isn't perfect even if it seems that way or is close. It's also the reason why I like TOS and TNG. They were able to write compelling stories and characters even as human and galactic societies (or at least the Federation) were near utopian. Maybe it just takes more work or is harder, but that shouldn't be an excuse not to do it. It's almost cowardly or lazier to fall back on broken characters/world b/c it's easier.
This isn't a unique thing to this show, it feels more like a general trend starting with the PT where they really go into the pride, arrogance and hubris of the Jedi that culminates in Palpatine being able to bring down the Old Republic and eliminate (most of the) Jedi and I would like to see a fresh, new different take that explores the supposed Jedi that were first described by the Alec Guinness Kenobi.
Yep. I just want good storytelling, not this McDonald’s style serving that Disney does.
Acolyte is not as good as Andor but much better than Ashoka. I am enjoying it a lot.
I'm actually enjoying it more than andor
Andor is trash
My boys!
Longest Geek Byte ever and I'm totally here for it. Take all the time you need fellas
I'm enjoying this series more than I thought I would. The fact that it doesn't look like "100 years ago" is not bothering me so much, although I still stand by it: it doesn't.
But yeah, it's very good up until now. I'm with Mike, but without having read any books, so, good, right?
If it ends strong, this will be my #2 series after Andor. Mandalorian season 1 was good, season 2 was ok, but I lost interest and haven't seen season 3. Boba Fett was lame. Ahsoka was meh. I'm hoping this will be #2, if it goes well, because I find it difficult that it will be better than Andor.
Nice to follow your shows, Geek Buddies! 😄
Cheers from Rio, Brazil!
I disagree from John that Sol is too much of a good heart. And I disagree from Mike that Qimir shouldn't have been arrested: he's an accomplice, and they have his confession. They also know that he is in the place of the former apothecary, and I missed the investigation of that: Qimir seems to have gotten rid of the guy, by his talk with Mae.
I watched these first two episodes at a friends. I'll wait for Andor to resub to Disney+ for a short time. People can't afford all this stuff anymore. I'm really tired.
I enjoyed the first two episodes. I’m interested to see where it goes. I agree with The Buddies for the most part, logic and decisions at times can be a better, but overall it’s been good. I believe we’re in for more surprises than we think.
The Acolyte, disappointing is putting it politely.
Been waiting on this all day boys
Yord is the cop who took four tries to pass his exam and is now power flushed. He's a himbo that nobody takes seriously
#JusticeForYord
You have a lot of issues with Yord. You should explore these issues in therapy, man. Two posts about him insulting him and calling him a fascist.
@@JohnRochaSaysLol, no therapy for this particular thing. I already admitted I'm wrong in calling him a himbo (but I wrote it, so no deletions), but, in our conversation, yes, he's definitely a fascist. Which some might say was the way the Jedi leant back then. They certainly seem very comfortable in reaching into people's thoughts. Yord seems quick to pull out his gun, I mean, light sabre.
The four tries, maybe. Power flushed..., eh. He's Dan Aykroyd's Joe Friday in the 1987 Dragnet movie rather than Tom Hanks' Pep Streebeck.
@@Playhouse76 heyyyyyyyy, I'm old enough to get that reference! Bravo 👍🏾
Hot Take...Andor wasn't good. As far as the Acolyte is concerned, let it cook. Let's see where the story leads.
Jecki asking Sol if she can speak feels more like her slyly making fun of being prim and proper like Yord than her being a stick in the mud. She seems to float in between Yord's end of things and Sol's end of things. I'm curious to see more of how she develops.
It doesn't feel like they're trying to make it seem like the women are better than Yord. It just feels like Jecki is more open to the improv of being out in the field than the textbook.
No hot mic?
Generally Thursday evening/ night....
Ummmmm is it 4pm PT???
@@JohnRochaSays yeah I forgot due to the gap, woke up and saw it available
guys, i solved it. the jedi tomin barathian started a fire and broke up a diad in da Force. no wait a triad.
no wait gasp . clones 😂
I'm with Michael, Qimir is straight up Keyser Soze. After 2 episodes, this show is just ok. Just not feeling the stakes. Hope it builds to something bigger.
My rhing is, they got click baity when you put a Goddess like Carrie Ann Moss as your lead Jedi only to kill her prematurely in the first 10 damn minutes!! For her to now just be in flashbacks leaves some of the hope in the show kinda limp. But I maintain faith. Let us see. Lol love u guys as always ❤❤
Bortles!
Is this a writing faux?
Yord is dispatched by the Jedi Order to apprehend Osha because she meets the description of Master Indara's killer.
In the story dialogue, it is said that Indara objected to Osha's Jedi training.
However, in the opening sequence of Ep1, Indara does not recognize Osha.
Is this a continuity writing error?
She does recognise her once she removes her mask
She says what are "you" doing here when she pulls down Mae's mask, indicating she knows her. She also sees the witch's symbol on her forehead, so she recognizes her as Mae rather than Osha.
@@Playhouse76 oh you are correct. I forgot that happened.
These are not important Jedi they have all retreated to the outskirts of the Galaxy except Sol. Tasi Loa wow ok John
How is that relevant they are still Jedi. So what your saying the jedi are saying " O well let them die they weren't important". Like come on dude think think before you speak.
Why are so many people making this show a political argument? It’s Star Wars 🙄🙄
Not this channel or people here* like sw twitter etc
Go ask them dude how we supposed to know.
It's just ok, but I'm with Shannon saying it's uneven. So far the logic is clunky and the tension is weak. I'll watch the next couple but mostly out of curiosity and just to hold me down until HotD season 2 drops. I prefer the inclusive representation but I'm frustrated that it comes in a mediocre package.
Great point about Yord, the “trigger happy” Jedi
Wouldn’t be surprised if a similar mistake happened with Mae as a kid
I’m getting a Fight Club vibe. Huge twist Osha is an extremely strong Force user and she is astrally projecting Mae.