I think Osha stops Sol b/c she knows the implications of a Jedi lashing out in anger to kill a 'defenseless' enemy leads to the Dark Side? How would we feel if a LEO had a mvrderer at gunpoint and executed them on the spot? We may feel it the guy deserved it, but... it would cause some massive issues in our world and these are supposed to be Jedi whose moral/ethical certitude is even beyond everyday cops (and let's face it, we've got some problems with cops already).
Osha stopping Sol felt very much like the Anakin vs Dooku moment in Revenge of the Sith. You can see on Sol's face that it's not just taking down an opponent. You can see the anger and hatred that he wants to murder Qimir with. That's why Osha stops him. I agree that the relationship between Osha and Sol needed to be deepened further for that to read with the full impact it was supposed to.
It’s funny how with stuff in the prequels that is equally dumb… the hardcore fans are willing to look the other way. I personally think this show is better than at least 2 of the 3 prequels. And just like the prequels, ignores established lore and history.
@@majorlazor5058 I made this warning to Greg over on Reel Rejects who said something similar, but be ready to reap the wrath of the PT fanboys, majorlazor, for daring to say that this series as better than 2/3 PTs! 🤣
I anticipate that Sol and Mae don't make it back to Coruscant and that Vernestra has to travel to them. That presents an opportunity for the "Sith" information to not make it back Ki-Adi-Mundi's way, so nothing breaks canon. And I expect next episode will be called either "Free Will" or "Choice" as a counterbalance to the episode "Destiny" and will be Mae's flashback. And the final two episodes will be called "Justice / Revenge" and "Found / Lost" to complete the duality.
Garbage writing and plot but this episode gave me Battle Of The Fates vibes with Jeki, Sol, and Smilo Ren...except this time Obi-Wan dies instead of Quigon. Jeki was my favorite character and I despised Jar Jar Yord so props for making me feel great loss and great joy at the same time.
I dunno....I feel like the Mae and Osha angle were added last minute and their story was shot in the reshoots. It feels so disjointed and vague. Really curious choices.
I saw Sol not killing Qimir, just like Anikin stopping before killing Duku. Anikin even says, it is not the jedi way. At that point, Duku was unarmed (un-hand, lol). So i see the way, i just believe he should have been killed.
Osha yelling at Sol to stop but then turning around and dissing Mae for being brainwashed? Nahh, bruh..... EDIT: and Let's remember too, Mace Windu was set up to snuff the Sheevster and would have if Anakin hadn't screwed the pooch.
Michael made a great point. We don’t know what Osha’s “want” is. In a broad show like this you need characters to have clear and defined wants for their life. I didn’t get the impression being a Meknik was Osha’s ultimate goal in life. I actually felt Mae’s want is clear… she wanted revenge on the Jedi for the death of her family. But that goal changed when she found out Osha survived.
I like the talks that you've had through The Acolyte S01 now that we've streamed 5x nice episodes at D+ 🙂 Good to see positive takes & then negatives that's not with steam coming from ears & BP rising to 200 🙂
One of the examples of the frustrating writing in this series was Osha having to explain to Yord again that the umbramoths (rolly pollies) are attracted to light because he can't remember from earlier that day. Yord taking the L later after that kind of dunderheaded stupidity felt justified (in addition to being shocking).
@@hoos3014 That's kind of the point. They're basically saying the audience is either too dumb to remember that from the previous episode, or they're expecting some people to start watching with this episode, which would already be confusing for them with everything else going on. It's unnecessary and makes the character look incompetent.
@@Playhouse76 Have you *seen* the audience around this franchise? They are absolutely that dumb. If they are not told something explicitly they will not pick it up.
@@Playhouse76well SW is aimed at children, and has a lot of dumb insults to our intelligence. ..but not going to lie I yelled at the screen… “dumb@ss, you forgot already?”
@@hoos3014 /Sigh I will admit, they went bonkers that Ki-Adi-Mundi /knew/ the Sith were around after watching a video of a rogue Force user with no association or indication that she's a Sith. Not only that, not a single person speculated that it was a Sith; Vernestra is even convinced that she was trained by a Jedi. So, nothing conclusive here, but the fans went bonkers anyway.
The problem is grown adults that grew up with 70's and 80's STAR WARS as KiDZ, want that same feeling they got as a kid watching those movies, but their movie taste has matured into Darker, Sexier, even more intellectual places and Disney is trying to appeal to those KiDZ that most people use to be. THiS is their 70's and 80's period, most just need to sit back and enjoy the ride like our parents when The took us to see the original SW, but they can't, they're like the spoiled brat asking are we there yet.🤣
lol if the soulless corporate drivel Disney calls Star Wars was what was Star Wars was in the 70s and 80s they never would've got that feeling watching it in the first place.
I love you guys, and your ability to keep an open mind on this series. This series is HOW YOU DO LIGHTSABERS!!! I don't know what Ahsoka was doing, but it looked like COSplay, rather than Star Wars, and the Light Sabers in Ahsoka looked like toys, these looked like movie sabers. I do agree that the twin's story is terribly anemic and they are HORRIBLY UNDERWRITTEN.
In terms of Mae flip-flopping, I think there’s a good explanation that makes her behavior consistent, but the show has not done a good job of laying it out. My sense, going back to last week when she bailed on the mission and decided to flip on her master, was that she was terrified. Kill a Wookiee Jedi? Without a weapon? That’s a suicide mission for her. She was scared and lacked conviction and wanted out. This week, she realizes her flip didn’t go well and the master is here, and she’s scared and looking for a way out. You can kind of see it on her face early on when she finds Kelnakka’s saber. And Qimir calls her out on it at least twice… being scared, emotional, lacking loyalty, etc. Which also seems like a behavior consistent with her as a child. She gets scared of losing her sister and lashes out in random ways that aren’t based in reason - like starting a fire that will kill the person she’s scared of losing. I think once you understand her motivation as rooted in fear, her actions make more sense. Idk about the whole parent trap scheme though.
I thought this as well, but it wasn't illustrated the best in episode since she had just made what appeared to be an out of the blue decision to turn on her master n the 1st place. It can then just come across as sloppy writing , changing the characters direction so it's a convenience for the plot.
@@brandonmiracle9810that works. I never saw it as out of the blue because it made sense to me that if she had doubts since seeing her sister, she'd still need Qimir's help locating Kelnacca's hut. Why would she let on about her doubts and plan to the scary master's other pawn until she felt she was in the clear? All the talk about being tired was to stall, get him to leave and set up her trap. Flipping back isn't too deep either. It was all good as a plan when she thought *"Master is planets away and then I'll be hidden. I'm freeEEEEE! Oh... shoot... the Wookie is already bleeding his own blood and still smoking from a saber slash. The Master is here!"* That's where you're spot on about her fear. Now she's face to face with the fact her Master is ahead of her, easily dispatched a Wookie Jedi already, and is about to lay waste to the folk she naively thought could protect her. Her aim was now to get away from everyone. Then when face to face with her Master, pleading for her life and pretending like she was sorry and wants back in was her only resort. It feels almost like people latched onto the out-of-the-blue part more than they would have if they hadn't heard someone else say it first, and that first person would have needed it spelled out more than the average Joe because they didn't imagine she was already wanting out WHILE talking to Qimir about how she could possibly win against a Wookie Jedi without a weapon.
I agree. Fear was a major contributor in her change of heart about killing the Wookie. Also she clearly stated her feelings changed with the new knowledge her sister is alive. She now has family.
I don't think Sol is going to make it all the way back to Coruscant. I don't think it's going to come as a great surprise to him that he has Mae with him vs. Osha, and I don't think it'll matter much in the end. He'll plead his case to Mae, fail to convince her, and go the way of Torbin. Of course, at this point, things ought to get very f'ing awkward back at the temple. Vernestra Rho and Ki-Adi Mundi are going to be scrambling to avoid the shitstorm coming down from the Council. A bunch of knights and Padawans were dispatched to Forest World to go get Kalnacka and NOBODY came back AND the twin girls are missing. Oohhh boy, this is big investigation time. This is "inquiry" time. Ho-Lee shit, the power that is going to be brought to bear on this situation is going to be impressive, or should be, if the story is in any way believable. Of course Qimir will be long gone at that point and as far/deep back underground as he can possibly get.....which is probably pretty deep. I hope "Basil the Nose" doesn't die.
Where was Sol during the initial fights?.....Why did Osha flips ....AGAIN?....why Sol didnt kill Qimir after he already killed his padawan and all the jedis?.....why does Qimir kill everybody but cant sense Mae behind him?.....why Qimir destroys almost 8 jedis but cant deal with bugs?......Why didnt Sol senses the swap between Osha and Mae?........Why are we leaving all the bodies behind? why not stay and fight the sith?....i dont know......great coreographys but meh......4/10 .....best episode of the season ill give them that.....
My left field prediction? Laura Kelly's going to hate this one... Like Michael says, Basil quickly blows the whistle on the rouse and Sol insists on having to go back to Khofar to rescue Osha. In the meantime, Qimir unlocks Osha's memory (or simply explains what happened at the coven) and Osha feels the betrayal and turns. In the meantime, Vernestra arrives on Khofar b/c she hasn't heard from the Jedi team in a while and kills Qimir and Sol, revealing herself to be Qimir's master and has Osha kill Mae to prove herself a worthy apprentice and no one back at the Jedi Order is the wiser as these two continue as master and apprentice.
I do think Osha telling Sol to stop is a call back to the 2nd episode i believe when Sol tells Osha he never taught her how to grieve and all shes thinking is getting revenge. And in that moment, Sol is consumed with anger and revenge for what Qimir has done and she pulls him back out. But i do agree that in the moment it feels weird that she did it.
"I don't make the rules, the Jedi do." This is about the Overton Window and related hegemonic control of baseline assumptions of true, good, and beautiful. Smile-oh has to kill to keep himself safe; if he doesn't, the State and sheeple will come after him in vastly overwhelming numbers, numbers, money, and guns, that are 1000% impossible to combat. His only option, at the point of this episode, is to kill everyone, to cut, and run, run far and fast; then go low and hide. I'm actually kinda impressed that Ms. Headland went as far as she has with Qimir's lines. Now, we have, potentially, most of the back half of this story where Osha is theoretically being "groomed" or "seduced" by Qimir and we'll see (maybe) all manner of really interesting things as he tries. I use the words "groom" and "seduce" because those are exactly the sorts of words the Jedi would use (Mae uses "brainwash" which is basically the same word as "gaslight") because the Jedi themselves are tools of socio-cultural hegemony. I honestly didn't think that Lucasfilm would do this stuff. It's too bold. It's too far and away from what Old Man Lucas would have ever considered. It's not, in any way, "for the kids," as far as normie culture would have it. Subsequent story creators could just sorta ignore whatever happens now from Eps 6-8, but it's gonna cause drama because they won't want to. Good and talented storytellers who want to tell adult SW stories are going to want to do all sorts of stuff within newly defined boundaries, and Lucasfilm is going to have to make a decision about what they wanna do to maintain some sort of franchise specific "overton window."
Conceptually I like this type of stuff alot but Jedi v Sith isn't the way to do it. At least not this way (supposedly if this is what they're doing). As an outsider to the series and not a character within, we can tell when the writers do some bullshit cherry picking to prove a point/concept or teach a lesson. Fundamentaly Jedi are better than Sith. Its not some state vs the people thing, or free will thing. Qimir/Sith aren't killing to not be caught and suppressed. They are being suppressed because they kill. They are being suppressed because they do things at directly effect the world around them. As an outsider we know the darkside is corruption, literally, it changes your body and to force users on the other side "dark side" energy doesn't feel natural. The Jedi have their rules because 99% of Dark siders live primarily off selfish perverse desires. The only reason we can even entertain the idea of the Jedi doing something bad to the witches in this show is cause we are literally still in the dark on the story (not to say that I am of the camp that the Jedi are completely good here). An example of the writers making the Jedi seem purposely flawed and them (writers) humoring Qimir is his fight with Sol. Sol knew Qimir was behind the 3 masters death and his team plus padawan's death, and instead of apprehension he drops his saber because its not the jedi way??? He can't fight or even apprehend Qimir anymore because he dropped his saber after killing everyone??? So now we have the writers trying to force highlight a moment where Qimir is in the right and Sol (Jedi) are wrong. Which is then proved that this is what they are forcing since Sol complies with the plot. These concepts can be good, just not in this specific context of how Star Wars works.
Geek Buddies! Thanks for all the content, I enjoy it every week. Got a question on why so many ppl are surprised that Sol does not kill in Cold Blood…much like Obi-Wan left Vader alive (twice). So you guys think it would have been ok for Sol to just kill him? Would that not be the same as when Anakin executes Dooku? Much love from Switzerland😊
now that we have a truly great episode the grifters and incels are crying over nonsense proving their grift. one is arguing with me that it makes no sense Jecki fights well
It's not a great episode though theres still a ton of issues. Were was Sal and Jeckie in the beginning of the episode? They were with everyone when they got forced pushed last episode but they are not there while darth teeth is killing all their comrades. Why? What were they doing eating lunch?
I wonder if the reason for the shorter runtimes/fewer episodes on this and most other Disney+ shows is that Disney probably thinks that families are watching them together, so they don't want to keep kids on too long and make them tired (which would be dumb on Disney's part). People bring up Andor as the exception, but that series was specifically for older audiences, so they could get away with it.
I’d be inclined to agree if this wasn’t getting released during the summertime when most kids are out of school, families taking vacations, etc. I don’t think Disney cares about bedtimes here, especially with a streaming show
One way to figure out if the short run time is a good idea is to look at this shows number compared to Andor. Despite being the best SW has to offer in recent years, was it making the viewership numbers like the other shows?
Great episode but I worry that some characters are getting a bit dumber...unless the force or his/her emotions are clouding his and her (their) jugdement. Again PACING ISSUES is still a problem.
I agree with Shannon , I really enjoyed the character of Smilo Ren ,but Mae and Oshas story sucks. I'm more invested in what they are gonna do with Smilo Ren. I'm so bummed out the Star Wars Lore is being butchered.
You know who I felt worst for after this episode? Michael. I assume Michael was absolutely devastated when a certain someone eats it. But, there's a small part of me that was like, "But, I bet Michael went, 'Woah, look at the guns on Smylo Ren'" 🤣
So i thought i understood maes reasoning for flip flopping; So initially her motivations for revenge were gone because osha was alive. She goes to turn her self in. Sees kalnaccas body. Thats when things shift. Theres a big difference between tur ing yourself in, which usually grants some benefit of the doubt. And being taken in at the scene of a murder. Also she knows her master is there, she knows he will kill her for betraying him. So her options at that point were be captured by the jedi and be killed by her master or attempt to flee. She joins sol after her master is taken out of the situation and osha rejected her again. Its the fastest safest way to get away from where her master is. At this point its about survival at least thats what it seems to me.
I get that jecki like young and that sol calls her s child but she is 18. And this mission wasn't supposed to be so that dangerous especially not with 8 Jedi and hopefully kelnaca this was meant represent overwhelming Jedi force. They certainly were NOT expecting to encounter a sith Lord. So jecki want supposed to be in much danger certainly not more than her training had prepared her for. Hell she was better prepared for the unexpected danger they faced than most of the full Jedi knights and masters that they brought.
I agree with Shannon, this was the best and the worst episode of this series for me. The May and Osha story writing is really bad. The dialogue between them both is rough to hear. Ten or so Jedi vs an unknown and all but one or two die? The Jedi are supposed to be at their peak, how are so many taken out so easily. Seeing the padawan die was brutal but I love the exploring the taking children into the battlefield concept. Question for the fanbase; Is it just me, or could all of these Star Wars tv shows be 100000% better as movies? I would rather watch and rewatch these stories as movies.
Yeah I'm with you guys, best episode so far; but the editing was atrocious, character motivations were pretty nonsensical the writing was kinda in the toilet. Qimir was the standout though I love his "Sith" guy. The action was franchise high stuff as well.
Definitely think Qimir and Sol know they’ve the other sister because Sol doesn’t say osha or mae, simply “your sister” so he could be luring her back to the temple to bargain or trap Qimir because he also didn’t go to kill osha and we know he was trying/ or at least pretending to want mae dead. If he really wanted to kill mae why take off her cuffs and leap after her? Though the osha flip flopping about who she feels guilt over dying. She cried over one bug and yet sent a whole swarm after Qimir. The show is going uphill but slowly
Forsure the best episode, but just cant get past the writing and dialogue. It just drives me crazy at times. Lightsaber fights were amazing though, love the choreography.
I disagree with praising the director on this. It was poorly lit, I couldn't understand what was happening half the time, and not focusing in to show the Cotorsis the first time it was used is pretty rookie stuff. It's a shame because the choreo looked great, but it's like if the thriller dance scene was behind trees in the forest. We can't appreciate or fully understand what's happening. Poor choices on everyone except for Quimir and Sol's actors
If every Star Wars show or movie was like Andor, I would be checking out of Star Wars. I like that Star Wars campy and fun. I like the tone for Andor, but only for Andor. Andor is too serious for my taste for Star Wars.
Remember it being called a "thread" and if you pull on the thread everything will unravel. The Stranger/Qimir is pulling on everyone's threads of their relationship to the force.
Action was great but 5 episodes in and i just still felt no emotional investment into the characters. Jecki died and we hardly got to know her then I don’t even know who those other Jedi’s were. Also, in all the years following this the empire just said f it we don’t need to use this metal for armor that shorts out sabers and blocks blaster shots?
If only they had laid the ground work. The story didn't allow for us to become investee any of the characters so it didn't matter they died. This feels like a bad fan flick.
A seriously awful show, with amazing fight choreography it hasn’t earned because of it’s nonsensical writing. The characters are all over the place. No one has any clear motive at all. Why should I care about anyone in the series? Just awful.
I don't necessarily agree with the "They're dragging the Jedi through the mud" angle, we get plenty of cool Jedi but this isn't a story about those Jedi as evidenced by their deaths this episode. Manny Jacinto might just drag this show out of mediocrity on his own.
They are trying to make us believe that it was the jedi who killed all the witches and started the fire in episode 3. I am starting to think that maybe what actually happened.
SW Fans: Reva is completely superfluous side character, focus on Kenobi! Disney: Ok, we'll keep the back stories of side characters like Yord and Jecki to a minimum. Also SW fans: You never gave us enough time with Yord and Jecki to connect to them! Disney: ... FU 🤣
I think Sol would be more like the equivalent of Kenobi in this series. A show with him and Jecki as Jedi beat cops would have been far more interesting than the lame story of these boring twins. The twins are closer to the Reva of this show.
I think a possible connection of Qimir to Sol is that Qimir was a child Sol didn't take to become a jedi. Probably saw some darkness in him and told him to not use the force. And then Qimir gets his revenge killing his star pupil Jecki and potentially turning his former padawan Osha to the dark side.
Why didnt Sol think to immediately make a holgram call to warn the jedi council about the return of the sith? Surley this news is too important to wait until he arrives at coruscant. Not to mentnion he knew a dangerous sith was still out there. Even in Game of thrones, where video calls dont exist, characters will send a raven, for urgent news, rather then wait to make the perilous journey by hourse.
Honestly can't remember if this was an EU explanation or not, but one of the few things SW seemed to make realistic was that information would take time to travel across the universe. Ships don't because of hyperdrive. I think there's a holonet, but anything that needs speed it's probably quicker to send a message with a ship...
I think with Mae's flip flopping, I do agree that it is very sudden, but I think with Mae in this episode, she is more concerned about getting away from Qimir when she's fighting with Jecki, and if that means killing Jecki, so be it. Then after she runs into Ohsa, I think when Ohsa refuses her, Mae decides to sever all the links that Ohsa has to the Jedi, and make it so that the only person that Ohsa has is Mae. Mae is still super possessive over Ohsa
I think it has DEFINITELY not all been Qimir’s grand plan to get Osha as his pupil. It may be now, but it wasn’t until she “defeated” him w/out a weapon. He tried to kill her earlier in the ep by throwing his saber at her & Sol deflects it slicing the trees. Incidentally, as much as I’ve 🙄 re the various petty complaints that have been levelled at this show (fire in space, KAM’s bday etc.) I found myself noticing one this ep. The trees nonsensically fall in the opposite direction of their cuts because it would be inconvenient for the next action scene & they didn’t change the direction of the cuts because… 🤷♂️ ?!? 🧐🤔 it was… odd.
Meant to add… is it just me or are the O’s in the logo getting further apart w/ each ep ?🤷♂️ I can’t tell if it’s just the movement vs the static logo that’s making me think so.
To disagree with Shannon I did NOT need exposition of HOW the metal was diffusing lightsabers and protecting Qimir's mind from Sol. I've NEVER heard of this metal (I also have never read EU) and it was so well done (IMO) that I didn't need an explanation. It was clear what was going on. Not sure why Shannon needed some character to explain the how and why. I just need to see the effect and (because I don't need my hand held) it was VERY FUCKING EASY to assume the cause.
+ writers know that these days for those who care to find out they will all turn to U📺 & quickly find the answer. There could also be a short exposition scene later in the series ( we know Vern breaks out the lightwhip) warning about Qimir’s defences which would be more organic to the story then pausing in this ep for a lesson on Cortosis. It exists in canon but I don’t know if it’s been established that the avg JEDI know anything about it (in canon).
I just need to see this all in one sitting. They should’ve released this as a binge. The writing isn’t strong enough to justify a week to week event nor is Amandla at the level of being able to elevate the material. Great fights this ep and the reveal didn’t bother me even if it was predictable.
They went into the forest on foot. How exactly should Sol & MaeOsha go about getting 8 dead Jedi back to their ship after both have just been stunned w/out first returning to their ship to retrieve a means to do so or just call it in for a Jedi coroner/CSI crew come do the cleanup. Not that we are likely to see any if that in the show as it needs to move on w/ the plot. 🤷♂️ As for not needing to be in a hurry to get back to the ship (we don’t know that they are leaving yet but granted that’s something one does w/ a ship), Qimir soon returns so clearly it was a good idea to get outta there and collect themselves after getting their assess handed to them. 🤷♂️ Edit: meant to add that this is also why I don’t buy the Indara as Qimir’s master theories as her death would have been investigated & her body & saber collected to be dealt w/ in the manner of the era (likely no different than we see in TCW).
I have to imagine that a lot of the awkwardness in the dialogue (especially between the twins) is meant to be flexible for whatever the episode 7 reveal will be. As for Osha stopping Sol from killing Qimir...it's hard to justify it on-screen but the best approach they've come up with so far was Maul's rampage after Obi Wan, "killed," him. Luke defeating hatred with compassion in RotJ I guess too. I still think there's brainwashing. Sol seems really mind-oriented and likely gave Osha that episode 3 memory.
Good action, clunky logic and dialogue. Manny Jacinto and Dafne Keen were my MVPs of the episode; sucks Jecki's done, but I got my fingers crossed for her to return as X-23. RIP to Yord too, the character's look reminded me of Robbie Sinclair the son from _Dinosaurs._
I don't mind that Jedi do turn to the dark side, but... it has been pretty clear that the Light and Dark are pretty binary. If you do 'evil things', you turn/fall. Now, I know there are some people that are in the 'gray' like Ahsoka or Bendu, but neither of those are running around willy nilly killing people or causing suffering. Sol being goaded into striking someone down in anger or hate or doing other things like killing someone who's disarmed and at a Jedi's mercy seems pretty clear cut for the rules they've established even in the OT with the Emperor goading Luke to strike him down, the PTs, etc. I don't mind exploring the darker side, but the rules they've established, both, handcuff the Jedi in the SW world/universe, but also in the practical storytelling sense.
Where was this fight choreography in the sequel trilogy ?? nicely done. But the rest of the episode was a bit of a mess and Osha and Mae basically doing nothing throughout the episode..... AGAIN.
I really enjoyed this review EXCEPT for them asking why osha stop sol from killing the sith. DUH,,,,because he's a jedi, and if he had killed an unarmed opponent, it's something he could never have morally came back from as a jedi. Osha understood that. I'm just surprised that these guys as star wars fans even questioned that 🙄
I really like the action and really disliked the direction. Sol disappearing while his whole group gets killed makes Qimir being able to fend off Sol and Jecki together butch then struggling against Sol solo makes no sense. Mai saying she was going to turn herself in but then immediately changing her mind after she immediately changed her mind last episodes made no sense. Great action but lacking in the other departments. With a really good director I think this would’ve been a great show
49:30 (or so) and John says, "...you see what the potential, the greatness of this story could have been; but...." this is the SW8:tLJ problem all over again. :)
I think Michael may very well be right with the Osha/Mae swap of the apprentices/acolytes where, maybe if the Jedi (Sol?) wiped her mind of the events of that night at her coven and Qimir unlocks her memories and what happened that night, she may very well become enraged at the Jedi and turn sides.
Discussions like this one is why I love watching Geek Buddies doing TV/Movie reviews. Having people like Shannon and Mike, who actually write/script television content, breaking down how they would have adjusted story to make more sense is both invaluable to understand why something did or didn’t work - but also gives aspiring writers concrete examples of how to formulate a story. And yeah, I guess Rocha is great too 😜 JK John, I always appreciate your critic opinion
What if Qimir was a rejected padawan candidate by Sol, and so he went down the dark side to grow his power? Another random prediction, what if Ki-Adi-Mundi kills Qimir, would add a new context to his line in the prequels.
I don't understand why, when Qimir was disarmed and apparently bested by Sol, Sol just let him get up and pick up his weapon to keep fighting. This is after he has killed all of his fellow Jedi, including his Padawan. Why didn't he just take him prisoner then? Cut off his arms and legs so he stops being a threat and arrest him?
I haven’t had a problem with the twins. I feel pretty confident about their motivations but the complaint is so common that I can’t really blame you for having it. The creativity is off the charts for me though out the series. Hand to hand combat, Barash vow, witches, flashbacks.
I loved this episode. Simple as that. And the series as a whole. I dig it alot. Not saying its perfect. But it still has 3 episodes. Point is, Im enjoying it.
Agree fundamentally the main problem is the twins lack of clear motivation. My best guess is this all ends with Osha learning the truth and turning dark, followed by getting back into the order so she can infiltrate it and take it down from the inside.
The way Shannon,explains that someone who uses the force like Qimir is NEVER unarmed is how I want to see Vernestra strike down Qimir with her light whip!
Chest stab, force pull into saber, then double decapitation - classic Qimir.
“Who else, but Qimir?”
I think Osha stops Sol b/c she knows the implications of a Jedi lashing out in anger to kill a 'defenseless' enemy leads to the Dark Side?
How would we feel if a LEO had a mvrderer at gunpoint and executed them on the spot? We may feel it the guy deserved it, but... it would cause some massive issues in our world and these are supposed to be Jedi whose moral/ethical certitude is even beyond everyday cops (and let's face it, we've got some problems with cops already).
Osha stopping Sol felt very much like the Anakin vs Dooku moment in Revenge of the Sith. You can see on Sol's face that it's not just taking down an opponent. You can see the anger and hatred that he wants to murder Qimir with. That's why Osha stops him. I agree that the relationship between Osha and Sol needed to be deepened further for that to read with the full impact it was supposed to.
It’s funny how with stuff in the prequels that is equally dumb… the hardcore fans are willing to look the other way.
I personally think this show is better than at least 2 of the 3 prequels. And just like the prequels, ignores established lore and history.
@@majorlazor5058 I made this warning to Greg over on Reel Rejects who said something similar, but be ready to reap the wrath of the PT fanboys, majorlazor, for daring to say that this series as better than 2/3 PTs! 🤣
Very fair criticisms guys! Love the review. The show is really okay but ep 5 was very very good.
I anticipate that Sol and Mae don't make it back to Coruscant and that Vernestra has to travel to them. That presents an opportunity for the "Sith" information to not make it back Ki-Adi-Mundi's way, so nothing breaks canon.
And I expect next episode will be called either "Free Will" or "Choice" as a counterbalance to the episode "Destiny" and will be Mae's flashback. And the final two episodes will be called "Justice / Revenge" and "Found / Lost" to complete the duality.
Some of the writing decisions are on par with the Jedi decisions.
Thanks!
Jecki and Yord’s deaths hurt, but were necessary to raise the stakes
Everyone’s a critic. Jezz…
Garbage writing and plot but this episode gave me Battle Of The Fates vibes with Jeki, Sol, and Smilo Ren...except this time Obi-Wan dies instead of Quigon. Jeki was my favorite character and I despised Jar Jar Yord so props for making me feel great loss and great joy at the same time.
I dunno....I feel like the Mae and Osha angle were added last minute and their story was shot in the reshoots. It feels so disjointed and vague. Really curious choices.
I saw Sol not killing Qimir, just like Anikin stopping before killing Duku. Anikin even says, it is not the jedi way. At that point, Duku was unarmed (un-hand, lol). So i see the way, i just believe he should have been killed.
Osha yelling at Sol to stop but then turning around and dissing Mae for being brainwashed? Nahh, bruh..... EDIT: and Let's remember too, Mace Windu was set up to snuff the Sheevster and would have if Anakin hadn't screwed the pooch.
When Yord came in with that helmet, I screamed so loud, totally feeling justified for me liking him. And then
Michael made a great point. We don’t know what Osha’s “want” is. In a broad show like this you need characters to have clear and defined wants for their life. I didn’t get the impression being a Meknik was Osha’s ultimate goal in life.
I actually felt Mae’s want is clear… she wanted revenge on the Jedi for the death of her family. But that goal changed when she found out Osha survived.
I like the talks that you've had through The Acolyte S01 now that we've streamed 5x nice episodes at D+ 🙂 Good to see positive takes & then negatives that's not with steam coming from ears & BP rising to 200 🙂
One of the examples of the frustrating writing in this series was Osha having to explain to Yord again that the umbramoths (rolly pollies) are attracted to light because he can't remember from earlier that day. Yord taking the L later after that kind of dunderheaded stupidity felt justified (in addition to being shocking).
That explanation was for the audience, not Yord.
@@hoos3014 That's kind of the point. They're basically saying the audience is either too dumb to remember that from the previous episode, or they're expecting some people to start watching with this episode, which would already be confusing for them with everything else going on. It's unnecessary and makes the character look incompetent.
@@Playhouse76 Have you *seen* the audience around this franchise? They are absolutely that dumb. If they are not told something explicitly they will not pick it up.
@@Playhouse76well SW is aimed at children, and has a lot of dumb insults to our intelligence.
..but not going to lie I yelled at the screen… “dumb@ss, you forgot already?”
@@hoos3014 /Sigh I will admit, they went bonkers that Ki-Adi-Mundi /knew/ the Sith were around after watching a video of a rogue Force user with no association or indication that she's a Sith. Not only that, not a single person speculated that it was a Sith; Vernestra is even convinced that she was trained by a Jedi.
So, nothing conclusive here, but the fans went bonkers anyway.
The problem is grown adults that grew up with 70's and 80's STAR WARS as KiDZ, want that same feeling they got as a kid watching those movies, but their movie taste has matured into Darker, Sexier, even more intellectual places and Disney is trying to appeal to those KiDZ that most people use to be. THiS is their 70's and 80's period, most just need to sit back and enjoy the ride like our parents when The took us to see the original SW, but they can't, they're like the spoiled brat asking are we there yet.🤣
lol if the soulless corporate drivel Disney calls Star Wars was what was Star Wars was in the 70s and 80s they never would've got that feeling watching it in the first place.
I love you guys, and your ability to keep an open mind on this series.
This series is HOW YOU DO LIGHTSABERS!!! I don't know what Ahsoka was doing, but it looked like COSplay, rather than Star Wars, and the Light Sabers in Ahsoka looked like toys, these looked like movie sabers.
I do agree that the twin's story is terribly anemic and they are HORRIBLY UNDERWRITTEN.
I feel like they should have just dropped all the episodes at once
100%
Agreed
Cool fight choreography. I can only imagine how awesome it would have been if I cared about any of the characters.
For me that’s the difference between this show and rogue one.
Liked these characters more than most of Boba Fett’s cast to be fair.
The only ones I didn't care for were the Red Shirt Jedi 😂
Same here
In terms of Mae flip-flopping, I think there’s a good explanation that makes her behavior consistent, but the show has not done a good job of laying it out. My sense, going back to last week when she bailed on the mission and decided to flip on her master, was that she was terrified. Kill a Wookiee Jedi? Without a weapon? That’s a suicide mission for her. She was scared and lacked conviction and wanted out.
This week, she realizes her flip didn’t go well and the master is here, and she’s scared and looking for a way out. You can kind of see it on her face early on when she finds Kelnakka’s saber. And Qimir calls her out on it at least twice… being scared, emotional, lacking loyalty, etc.
Which also seems like a behavior consistent with her as a child. She gets scared of losing her sister and lashes out in random ways that aren’t based in reason - like starting a fire that will kill the person she’s scared of losing.
I think once you understand her motivation as rooted in fear, her actions make more sense. Idk about the whole parent trap scheme though.
I thought this as well, but it wasn't illustrated the best in episode since she had just made what appeared to be an out of the blue decision to turn on her master n the 1st place. It can then just come across as sloppy writing
, changing the characters direction so it's a convenience for the plot.
@@edo4896 Oh I fully agree it wasn't executed well. It's just the vibe I got, which led to me never being super taken aback about her flip-flopping.
@@brandonmiracle9810that works. I never saw it as out of the blue because it made sense to me that if she had doubts since seeing her sister, she'd still need Qimir's help locating Kelnacca's hut. Why would she let on about her doubts and plan to the scary master's other pawn until she felt she was in the clear?
All the talk about being tired was to stall, get him to leave and set up her trap.
Flipping back isn't too deep either. It was all good as a plan when she thought *"Master is planets away and then I'll be hidden. I'm freeEEEEE! Oh... shoot... the Wookie is already bleeding his own blood and still smoking from a saber slash. The Master is here!"*
That's where you're spot on about her fear. Now she's face to face with the fact her Master is ahead of her, easily dispatched a Wookie Jedi already, and is about to lay waste to the folk she naively thought could protect her.
Her aim was now to get away from everyone. Then when face to face with her Master, pleading for her life and pretending like she was sorry and wants back in was her only resort.
It feels almost like people latched onto the out-of-the-blue part more than they would have if they hadn't heard someone else say it first, and that first person would have needed it spelled out more than the average Joe because they didn't imagine she was already wanting out WHILE talking to Qimir about how she could possibly win against a Wookie Jedi without a weapon.
I agree. Fear was a major contributor in her change of heart about killing the Wookie. Also she clearly stated her feelings changed with the new knowledge her sister is alive. She now has family.
The light on the back was Classic SW. Something straight out of TCW. Jedi using the creatures behaviour to give you the upper hand.
I liked that it was Jecki who was the one to knock the mask off and reveal the identity of the Sith.
Another ep w/ bad dialogue & baffling character decisions sadly....
I don't think Sol is going to make it all the way back to Coruscant. I don't think it's going to come as a great surprise to him that he has Mae with him vs. Osha, and I don't think it'll matter much in the end. He'll plead his case to Mae, fail to convince her, and go the way of Torbin.
Of course, at this point, things ought to get very f'ing awkward back at the temple. Vernestra Rho and Ki-Adi Mundi are going to be scrambling to avoid the shitstorm coming down from the Council. A bunch of knights and Padawans were dispatched to Forest World to go get Kalnacka and NOBODY came back AND the twin girls are missing.
Oohhh boy, this is big investigation time. This is "inquiry" time. Ho-Lee shit, the power that is going to be brought to bear on this situation is going to be impressive, or should be, if the story is in any way believable. Of course Qimir will be long gone at that point and as far/deep back underground as he can possibly get.....which is probably pretty deep.
I hope "Basil the Nose" doesn't die.
Where was Sol during the initial fights?.....Why did Osha flips ....AGAIN?....why Sol didnt kill Qimir after he already killed his padawan and all the jedis?.....why does Qimir kill everybody but cant sense Mae behind him?.....why Qimir destroys almost 8 jedis but cant deal with bugs?......Why didnt Sol senses the swap between Osha and Mae?........Why are we leaving all the bodies behind? why not stay and fight the sith?....i dont know......great coreographys but meh......4/10 .....best episode of the season ill give them that.....
Ok so Osha goes dark, now get Mae who is a pos whos been killing Jedi so who the hell are we supposed to root for in this deam show.
My left field prediction? Laura Kelly's going to hate this one... Like Michael says, Basil quickly blows the whistle on the rouse and Sol insists on having to go back to Khofar to rescue Osha. In the meantime, Qimir unlocks Osha's memory (or simply explains what happened at the coven) and Osha feels the betrayal and turns. In the meantime, Vernestra arrives on Khofar b/c she hasn't heard from the Jedi team in a while and kills Qimir and Sol, revealing herself to be Qimir's master and has Osha kill Mae to prove herself a worthy apprentice and no one back at the Jedi Order is the wiser as these two continue as master and apprentice.
I do think Osha telling Sol to stop is a call back to the 2nd episode i believe when Sol tells Osha he never taught her how to grieve and all shes thinking is getting revenge. And in that moment, Sol is consumed with anger and revenge for what Qimir has done and she pulls him back out. But i do agree that in the moment it feels weird that she did it.
"I don't make the rules, the Jedi do."
This is about the Overton Window and related hegemonic control of baseline assumptions of true, good, and beautiful. Smile-oh has to kill to keep himself safe; if he doesn't, the State and sheeple will come after him in vastly overwhelming numbers, numbers, money, and guns, that are 1000% impossible to combat. His only option, at the point of this episode, is to kill everyone, to cut, and run, run far and fast; then go low and hide.
I'm actually kinda impressed that Ms. Headland went as far as she has with Qimir's lines. Now, we have, potentially, most of the back half of this story where Osha is theoretically being "groomed" or "seduced" by Qimir and we'll see (maybe) all manner of really interesting things as he tries. I use the words "groom" and "seduce" because those are exactly the sorts of words the Jedi would use (Mae uses "brainwash" which is basically the same word as "gaslight") because the Jedi themselves are tools of socio-cultural hegemony.
I honestly didn't think that Lucasfilm would do this stuff. It's too bold. It's too far and away from what Old Man Lucas would have ever considered. It's not, in any way, "for the kids," as far as normie culture would have it.
Subsequent story creators could just sorta ignore whatever happens now from Eps 6-8, but it's gonna cause drama because they won't want to. Good and talented storytellers who want to tell adult SW stories are going to want to do all sorts of stuff within newly defined boundaries, and Lucasfilm is going to have to make a decision about what they wanna do to maintain some sort of franchise specific "overton window."
Conceptually I like this type of stuff alot but Jedi v Sith isn't the way to do it. At least not this way (supposedly if this is what they're doing). As an outsider to the series and not a character within, we can tell when the writers do some bullshit cherry picking to prove a point/concept or teach a lesson.
Fundamentaly Jedi are better than Sith. Its not some state vs the people thing, or free will thing. Qimir/Sith aren't killing to not be caught and suppressed. They are being suppressed because they kill. They are being suppressed because they do things at directly effect the world around them. As an outsider we know the darkside is corruption, literally, it changes your body and to force users on the other side "dark side" energy doesn't feel natural.
The Jedi have their rules because 99% of Dark siders live primarily off selfish perverse desires. The only reason we can even entertain the idea of the Jedi doing something bad to the witches in this show is cause we are literally still in the dark on the story (not to say that I am of the camp that the Jedi are completely good here).
An example of the writers making the Jedi seem purposely flawed and them (writers) humoring Qimir is his fight with Sol. Sol knew Qimir was behind the 3 masters death and his team plus padawan's death, and instead of apprehension he drops his saber because its not the jedi way??? He can't fight or even apprehend Qimir anymore because he dropped his saber after killing everyone???
So now we have the writers trying to force highlight a moment where Qimir is in the right and Sol (Jedi) are wrong. Which is then proved that this is what they are forcing since Sol complies with the plot. These concepts can be good, just not in this specific context of how Star Wars works.
What an episode people!!!!
Geek Buddies! Thanks for all the content, I enjoy it every week. Got a question on why so many ppl are surprised that Sol does not kill in Cold Blood…much like Obi-Wan left Vader alive (twice). So you guys think it would have been ok for Sol to just kill him? Would that not be the same as when Anakin executes Dooku?
Much love from Switzerland😊
now that we have a truly great episode the grifters and incels are crying over nonsense proving their grift.
one is arguing with me that it makes no sense Jecki fights well
It's not a great episode though theres still a ton of issues. Were was Sal and Jeckie in the beginning of the episode? They were with everyone when they got forced pushed last episode but they are not there while darth teeth is killing all their comrades. Why? What were they doing eating lunch?
I only laughed at her reading Mae her Miranda rights.
I am sure they will bitch n moan about this episode, after all money from hatred is their goal...
I wonder if the reason for the shorter runtimes/fewer episodes on this and most other Disney+ shows is that Disney probably thinks that families are watching them together, so they don't want to keep kids on too long and make them tired (which would be dumb on Disney's part). People bring up Andor as the exception, but that series was specifically for older audiences, so they could get away with it.
I’d be inclined to agree if this wasn’t getting released during the summertime when most kids are out of school, families taking vacations, etc. I don’t think Disney cares about bedtimes here, especially with a streaming show
One way to figure out if the short run time is a good idea is to look at this shows number compared to Andor. Despite being the best SW has to offer in recent years, was it making the viewership numbers like the other shows?
Great episode but I worry that some characters are getting a bit dumber...unless the force or his/her emotions are clouding his and her (their) jugdement. Again PACING ISSUES is still a problem.
I agree with Shannon , I really enjoyed the character of Smilo Ren ,but Mae and Oshas story sucks. I'm more invested in what they are gonna do with Smilo Ren. I'm so bummed out the Star Wars Lore is being butchered.
You know who I felt worst for after this episode? Michael. I assume Michael was absolutely devastated when a certain someone eats it.
But, there's a small part of me that was like, "But, I bet Michael went, 'Woah, look at the guns on Smylo Ren'" 🤣
So i thought i understood maes reasoning for flip flopping;
So initially her motivations for revenge were gone because osha was alive.
She goes to turn her self in.
Sees kalnaccas body.
Thats when things shift. Theres a big difference between tur ing yourself in, which usually grants some benefit of the doubt. And being taken in at the scene of a murder.
Also she knows her master is there, she knows he will kill her for betraying him. So her options at that point were be captured by the jedi and be killed by her master or attempt to flee.
She joins sol after her master is taken out of the situation and osha rejected her again. Its the fastest safest way to get away from where her master is.
At this point its about survival at least thats what it seems to me.
I get that jecki like young and that sol calls her s child but she is 18. And this mission wasn't supposed to be so that dangerous especially not with 8 Jedi and hopefully kelnaca this was meant represent overwhelming Jedi force. They certainly were NOT expecting to encounter a sith Lord. So jecki want supposed to be in much danger certainly not more than her training had prepared her for.
Hell she was better prepared for the unexpected danger they faced than most of the full Jedi knights and masters that they brought.
I agree with Shannon, this was the best and the worst episode of this series for me. The May and Osha story writing is really bad. The dialogue between them both is rough to hear. Ten or so Jedi vs an unknown and all but one or two die? The Jedi are supposed to be at their peak, how are so many taken out so easily. Seeing the padawan die was brutal but I love the exploring the taking children into the battlefield concept.
Question for the fanbase; Is it just me, or could all of these Star Wars tv shows be 100000% better as movies? I would rather watch and rewatch these stories as movies.
Yeah I'm with you guys, best episode so far; but the editing was atrocious, character motivations were pretty nonsensical the writing was kinda in the toilet. Qimir was the standout though I love his "Sith" guy. The action was franchise high stuff as well.
Definitely think Qimir and Sol know they’ve the other sister because Sol doesn’t say osha or mae, simply “your sister” so he could be luring her back to the temple to bargain or trap Qimir because he also didn’t go to kill osha and we know he was trying/ or at least pretending to want mae dead. If he really wanted to kill mae why take off her cuffs and leap after her? Though the osha flip flopping about who she feels guilt over dying. She cried over one bug and yet sent a whole swarm after Qimir. The show is going uphill but slowly
Forsure the best episode, but just cant get past the writing and dialogue. It just drives me crazy at times. Lightsaber fights were amazing though, love the choreography.
I disagree with praising the director on this. It was poorly lit, I couldn't understand what was happening half the time, and not focusing in to show the Cotorsis the first time it was used is pretty rookie stuff. It's a shame because the choreo looked great, but it's like if the thriller dance scene was behind trees in the forest. We can't appreciate or fully understand what's happening. Poor choices on everyone except for Quimir and Sol's actors
If every Star Wars show or movie was like Andor, I would be checking out of Star Wars. I like that Star Wars campy and fun. I like the tone for Andor, but only for Andor. Andor is too serious for my taste for Star Wars.
Remember it being called a "thread" and if you pull on the thread everything will unravel. The Stranger/Qimir is pulling on everyone's threads of their relationship to the force.
I'm with Michael on the Jacinto and Osha at the end. He wants a pupil, and Mae didn't cut it.
Didn’t we all know he was smilo ren though. It’s kind of a lackluster reveal
@@BGreen112 He was really the only option for it to be, but his performance made it work for me.
@@craiggaynier1565 it could’ve been one of the moms but point taken. Glad it worked for you
@@BGreen112 The body type seemed fairly masculine.
@@craiggaynier1565 everyone I heard was saying it was a feminine body type because of how small and slender it was
Action was great but 5 episodes in and i just still felt no emotional investment into the characters. Jecki died and we hardly got to know her then I don’t even know who those other Jedi’s were.
Also, in all the years following this the empire just said f it we don’t need to use this metal for armor that shorts out sabers and blocks blaster shots?
Guy in the red shirt really looks like the guy from Adam Sandler Movies / Don’t Mess With Zohan
If only they had laid the ground work. The story didn't allow for us to become investee any of the characters so it didn't matter they died. This feels like a bad fan flick.
A seriously awful show, with amazing fight choreography it hasn’t earned because of it’s nonsensical writing. The characters are all over the place. No one has any clear motive at all. Why should I care about anyone in the series? Just awful.
I don't necessarily agree with the "They're dragging the Jedi through the mud" angle, we get plenty of cool Jedi but this isn't a story about those Jedi as evidenced by their deaths this episode. Manny Jacinto might just drag this show out of mediocrity on his own.
These are the too dumb to live Jedi.
Are they trying to do an origins stories to the Knights of REN. If you look at they wanted and valued, it is very in line with what Quimir said.
Sad prediction...everything that we think we get story wise with Qimir and Sol is an accident of dialog...
Hell yes Rocha! Showing the flaws of the Jedi and using the analogy to real life idols or institutions around 20:30 is perfect! Great point!
They are trying to make us believe that it was the jedi who killed all the witches and started the fire in episode 3. I am starting to think that maybe what actually happened.
I know the line by QImer was from Jordan Peterson, but I don't get the reason for brining in the real world reference
I agree with the idea that Qimir is part of the Ren legacy of Dark siders, who are not Sith. Smart pickup.
If this was the end of episode 3, and we are working with hour long episodes, this show would be a totally different one.
Mae fought Jecki because the master showed up and so she wanted to escape him, not be arrested anymore.
SW Fans: Reva is completely superfluous side character, focus on Kenobi!
Disney: Ok, we'll keep the back stories of side characters like Yord and Jecki to a minimum.
Also SW fans: You never gave us enough time with Yord and Jecki to connect to them!
Disney: ... FU
🤣
I think Sol would be more like the equivalent of Kenobi in this series. A show with him and Jecki as Jedi beat cops would have been far more interesting than the lame story of these boring twins. The twins are closer to the Reva of this show.
Like Michael said, I'm interested in this story but the execution is what lets it down.
Agree Osha and May are dragging the show down.
This show makes my brain hurt
It's a great Sol and Qimer show, sadly not so much Mae and Osha
I think a possible connection of Qimir to Sol is that Qimir was a child Sol didn't take to become a jedi. Probably saw some darkness in him and told him to not use the force. And then Qimir gets his revenge killing his star pupil Jecki and potentially turning his former padawan Osha to the dark side.
Ooh good guess, but why would Yord know him? Wouldn’t Yord be too young to know him?😊
Why didnt Sol think to immediately make a holgram call to warn the jedi council about the return of the sith? Surley this news is too important to wait until he arrives at coruscant. Not to mentnion he knew a dangerous sith was still out there. Even in Game of thrones, where video calls dont exist, characters will send a raven, for urgent news, rather then wait to make the perilous journey by hourse.
AT&T is not available in that galaxy.
@@hoos3014 But they have AT&STs..... cough... cough.... badum tsssssssss!!!!
Well is he actually Sith? Dude is a proven liar.
Honestly can't remember if this was an EU explanation or not, but one of the few things SW seemed to make realistic was that information would take time to travel across the universe. Ships don't because of hyperdrive. I think there's a holonet, but anything that needs speed it's probably quicker to send a message with a ship...
I think with Mae's flip flopping, I do agree that it is very sudden, but I think with Mae in this episode, she is more concerned about getting away from Qimir when she's fighting with Jecki, and if that means killing Jecki, so be it. Then after she runs into Ohsa, I think when Ohsa refuses her, Mae decides to sever all the links that Ohsa has to the Jedi, and make it so that the only person that Ohsa has is Mae. Mae is still super possessive over Ohsa
I thought the same at first, but waiting time fighting her instead of just getting cuffed & hauling ass asap makes zero sense whatsoever
I think it has DEFINITELY not all been Qimir’s grand plan to get Osha as his pupil. It may be now, but it wasn’t until she “defeated” him w/out a weapon. He tried to kill her earlier in the ep by throwing his saber at her & Sol deflects it slicing the trees.
Incidentally, as much as I’ve 🙄 re the various petty complaints that have been levelled at this show (fire in space, KAM’s bday etc.) I found myself noticing one this ep. The trees nonsensically fall in the opposite direction of their cuts because it would be inconvenient for the next action scene & they didn’t change the direction of the cuts because… 🤷♂️ ?!? 🧐🤔 it was… odd.
Meant to add… is it just me or are the O’s in the logo getting further apart w/ each ep ?🤷♂️ I can’t tell if it’s just the movement vs the static logo that’s making me think so.
To disagree with Shannon I did NOT need exposition of HOW the metal was diffusing lightsabers and protecting Qimir's mind from Sol. I've NEVER heard of this metal (I also have never read EU) and it was so well done (IMO) that I didn't need an explanation. It was clear what was going on. Not sure why Shannon needed some character to explain the how and why. I just need to see the effect and (because I don't need my hand held) it was VERY FUCKING EASY to assume the cause.
+ writers know that these days for those who care to find out they will all turn to U📺 & quickly find the answer. There could also be a short exposition scene later in the series ( we know Vern breaks out the lightwhip) warning about Qimir’s defences which would be more organic to the story then pausing in this ep for a lesson on Cortosis. It exists in canon but I don’t know if it’s been established that the avg JEDI know anything about it (in canon).
Consistency is your strength! It shows in every video you create.. -- "Success is the result of continuous effort.."
I just need to see this all in one sitting. They should’ve released this as a binge. The writing isn’t strong enough to justify a week to week event nor is Amandla at the level of being able to elevate the material. Great fights this ep and the reveal didn’t bother me even if it was predictable.
I think Sol and Qimir will fight at the end with Sol winning.
Best episode of the season so far. Everything was building towards this.
Yes Vogel!!!! 21:40!!!
Why does Sol leave all the Jedi bodies on the planet? Didn’t seem like he needed to be in a hurry to get off the planet.
They went into the forest on foot. How exactly should Sol & MaeOsha go about getting 8 dead Jedi back to their ship after both have just been stunned w/out first returning to their ship to retrieve a means to do so or just call it in for a Jedi coroner/CSI crew come do the cleanup. Not that we are likely to see any if that in the show as it needs to move on w/ the plot. 🤷♂️
As for not needing to be in a hurry to get back to the ship (we don’t know that they are leaving yet but granted that’s something one does w/ a ship), Qimir soon returns so clearly it was a good idea to get outta there and collect themselves after getting their assess handed to them. 🤷♂️
Edit: meant to add that this is also why I don’t buy the Indara as Qimir’s master theories as her death would have been investigated & her body & saber collected to be dealt w/ in the manner of the era (likely no different than we see in TCW).
Manny Jacinto put the Man in Manny
John wants this to be deeper than it is so badly.
Great byte!!!!!
Qimir is not confused he was trying to kill Mae!! He sees OSHA and knows he has another chance for a pupil!
I have to imagine that a lot of the awkwardness in the dialogue (especially between the twins) is meant to be flexible for whatever the episode 7 reveal will be. As for Osha stopping Sol from killing Qimir...it's hard to justify it on-screen but the best approach they've come up with so far was Maul's rampage after Obi Wan, "killed," him. Luke defeating hatred with compassion in RotJ I guess too.
I still think there's brainwashing. Sol seems really mind-oriented and likely gave Osha that episode 3 memory.
Good action, clunky logic and dialogue. Manny Jacinto and Dafne Keen were my MVPs of the episode; sucks Jecki's done, but I got my fingers crossed for her to return as X-23. RIP to Yord too, the character's look reminded me of Robbie Sinclair the son from _Dinosaurs._
I don't mind that Jedi do turn to the dark side, but... it has been pretty clear that the Light and Dark are pretty binary. If you do 'evil things', you turn/fall. Now, I know there are some people that are in the 'gray' like Ahsoka or Bendu, but neither of those are running around willy nilly killing people or causing suffering. Sol being goaded into striking someone down in anger or hate or doing other things like killing someone who's disarmed and at a Jedi's mercy seems pretty clear cut for the rules they've established even in the OT with the Emperor goading Luke to strike him down, the PTs, etc. I don't mind exploring the darker side, but the rules they've established, both, handcuff the Jedi in the SW world/universe, but also in the practical storytelling sense.
Where was this fight choreography in the sequel trilogy ?? nicely done.
But the rest of the episode was a bit of a mess and Osha and Mae basically doing nothing throughout the episode..... AGAIN.
I really enjoyed this review EXCEPT for them asking why osha stop sol from killing the sith. DUH,,,,because he's a jedi, and if he had killed an unarmed opponent, it's something he could never have morally came back from as a jedi. Osha understood that. I'm just surprised that these guys as star wars fans even questioned that 🙄
I really like the action and really disliked the direction. Sol disappearing while his whole group gets killed makes Qimir being able to fend off Sol and Jecki together butch then struggling against Sol solo makes no sense. Mai saying she was going to turn herself in but then immediately changing her mind after she immediately changed her mind last episodes made no sense. Great action but lacking in the other departments. With a really good director I think this would’ve been a great show
49:30 (or so) and John says, "...you see what the potential, the greatness of this story could have been; but...." this is the SW8:tLJ problem all over again. :)
I think Michael may very well be right with the Osha/Mae swap of the apprentices/acolytes where, maybe if the Jedi (Sol?) wiped her mind of the events of that night at her coven and Qimir unlocks her memories and what happened that night, she may very well become enraged at the Jedi and turn sides.
Discussions like this one is why I love watching Geek Buddies doing TV/Movie reviews.
Having people like Shannon and Mike, who actually write/script television content, breaking down how they would have adjusted story to make more sense is both invaluable to understand why something did or didn’t work - but also gives aspiring writers concrete examples of how to formulate a story.
And yeah, I guess Rocha is great too 😜 JK John, I always appreciate your critic opinion
What if Qimir was a rejected padawan candidate by Sol, and so he went down the dark side to grow his power? Another random prediction, what if Ki-Adi-Mundi kills Qimir, would add a new context to his line in the prequels.
I think if sol doesnt realize its because the dark side is clouding his judgement like thebprequels
I don't understand why, when Qimir was disarmed and apparently bested by Sol, Sol just let him get up and pick up his weapon to keep fighting. This is after he has killed all of his fellow Jedi, including his Padawan. Why didn't he just take him prisoner then? Cut off his arms and legs so he stops being a threat and arrest him?
I haven’t had a problem with the twins. I feel pretty confident about their motivations but the complaint is so common that I can’t really blame you for having it. The creativity is off the charts for me though out the series. Hand to hand combat, Barash vow, witches, flashbacks.
I loved this episode. Simple as that.
And the series as a whole. I dig it alot. Not saying its perfect. But it still has 3 episodes. Point is, Im enjoying it.
I feel like Leslye Headland took a PG-13 Star Wars show and told Rated-R Game of Thrones to "hold her beer".
Triangles are an ancient symbol of divine feminine energy (so says Google). That shape showing up in the Coven and in Jekki's back is not accidental.
There could have been 100 Jedi, but they made me not really care about any of them which is opposite of how I felt during rogue one.
Agree fundamentally the main problem is the twins lack of clear motivation. My best guess is this all ends with Osha learning the truth and turning dark, followed by getting back into the order so she can infiltrate it and take it down from the inside.
The way Shannon,explains that someone who uses the force like Qimir is NEVER unarmed is how I want to see Vernestra strike down Qimir with her light whip!