Wonder Woman: when Zatanna and members of the justice league brainwashed Dr. Light, it was one of the biggest events in DC history and almost destroyed the Trinity, but for me… It was Tuesday lol
I love the detail of Atomia's kingdom being called U-235, this being the symbol used for Uranium isotope 235, a common ingredient in the atomic bomb that started the whole story.
Something I love about golden age Wonder Woman is that in any other comic, any sexual or romantic implications are unintended and taken out of context decades later. But with Wonder Woman, it probably IS intentional.
Diana’s golden age villains are so underrated. They were ahead of their time while Superman and Batman were much more slowly developing their iconic rogues galleries.
I'm a big fan of recycling villains. Wonder Woman's whole rouges gallery is extremely underrated and a bunch of her villains have a ton of potential to be used in modern stories.
Part of the reason why Batman has so manny villains is Beacuase of how old he is, with thousands of villians manny of which will never see the light of day again
@@pqcowboychanel I think Wonder Woman was only created a few years after Batman though. 1939 for Batman and 1941 for Wonder Woman. I'd love to see a bunch of the old baddies reimagined for both of them. Sometimes all it takes is a costume update.
+King if the Bis Such a pity WW does not get more focus. I know DC writers pokes fun at how overused Batman, like Intellectron and the Dark Knights, but Batman still hogs too much attention. @@pqcowboychanel Wait, does Superman, the first super hero, have more villains then?
This story makes me realize how many of the more fucked up things and implications of Grant Morrison's "Wonder Woman: Earth One", are actually canon from the original stories.
I assume the parallel of using mind control to rule her kingdom then being mind controlled to be 'good' wasn't intentional but if she ever comes back she could definitely throw that in Diana's face. Also for someone so obssessed with controlling everything to not even be able to control her own decisions while on reform island would have been hell for her.
Always liked the golden age WW art, but I can see where others might not. It's detailed but not rendered in a realistic style. More a sophisticated cartoon.
I'll be honest, I got on and fell off the Wonder Woman train with her New 52 status quo; I loved the quasi-urban fantasy of it along with the extended cast (especially Lennox). Some of her original villains are just nuts. ...but I'm also utterly down to clown with Etta Candy in any iteration. Such a well-rounded (pardon the phrase) character in spite of possibly being a one-note gag in lesser hands.
Please do the Etta Candy Perspective, so We can see how she went from Candy Craving Caucasian Red Head, too Gun Blazing Mohawk sporting African American…Am I the only one who thought this video was going to be about a Brainwashed MERA from the tease picture?…Keep Up The Outstanding Work Sasha 🖖🏾
Something about this seemed familiar, and then I remembered the Green Lantern villain Evil Star. I wonder if Evil Star is based on a gender-swapped Atomia. Instead of neutrons he has Starlings, but they serve the same purpose, and his name invokes a star instead of an atom, but the "atom" is depicted as a star, so...
Heck from what I've seen, Atomia could have very well been chosen by an Orange Ring and go to war with Larfleeze for possession of the Orange Power Battery.
I have to see more golden age Wonder Woman it’s so fun. Something about the character designs is weirdly calming cause it’s kind of simple and off yet really unique and pretty.
I am a huge fan of golden age Wonder Woman, and this issue as just so many great elements from it. The girdles that come from the planet Venus, and a race of people Wonder Woman met in a JSA story. Paula, a reformed enemy spy who turned good and become Wonder Woman's closest friend. And just Etta Candy being her amazing golden age self.
I knew Golden age Wonder Woman has bondage but good grief. Scantily clad women. Check. Tons of Grade A Bondage. Check. Submissive mind controlled women check. All this and more for 10 Cents. Show your parents kids. 😮😮😳
0:52 Went to a comics vendor event last Sunday. Apparently, we’re in the “Copper Age” according to collectors. (I was there because my dad doesn’t understand the difference between a “show” and a “convention.” Oh well, I got a compilation of 50s Batman comics-including the famous rainbow suit, June appropriate-so I’m happy.)
I'll add that Atomia is also part of a larger Golden Age Wonder Woman trend that is fascinated with Monarchy (Queen Clea & Queen Desira are the most prominent examples), contact with isolated society or even non-earth worlds (Venus, Saturn, Shamrock Land) and gender essentialism (Atomia has it mild with the robots being the masculine aspect). Would love to see more retrospectives with Golden Age Wondy! Bondage, brainwashing and bigotry aside, the world was pretty fleshed out and had a meaningful continuity, especially with Paula Von Gunther. It's a shame that most of them unceremoniously dumped till this day.
14:06 That line is raw as hell, I love villains who can go full bad guy as part of their nature and it does set up an interesting counter part to Diana who has an established history of looking for the best and trying to reform even the worst of her villains, what do you do when you meet someone who just doesn't care for wanting to be better or has no good intentions? Just a villain driven by wanting to rule and hold dominion over others
Renae De Liz's Etta Candy is the best Etta Candy! She brought back the golden age Etta, but made her cool and relatable,e. That's how she should always be portrayed.
Atomia needs to return again. I love her aggression, her Dr. Doom-esque ego and her fancy opera glasses. The 1974 version isn't bad. I'm not a fan of the art though. J.H. Williams would kick ass on an Atomia story
Atomia is a unique one, showing that size doesn't truly matter. Though her first appearance was the first time that Wonder Woman was shrunken down. The first of many times during the gold and silver age Wonder Woman was shrunk down. But while you mention her fighting Atom and Doll Man, I'm picturing her having a team up with a similar named villain in Atomica. Two micro ladies causing turmoil for all around. Atomia maybe even somehow saved Atomica from being crushed by Lex. Hmmm...
Wonder Woman's whole situation is really great in general. There are so many villains heroes and side-characters that don't get enough recognition. I tend to talk about adaptation a lot when I comment on this channel and I think that['s because a lot of what is covered are interesting ideas that deserve another try. I've wanted a Wonder Woman show since I was a kid watching Justice League TAS and I feel that now is a great time to tackle one. Especially if it handled rough topics. I would want the full lgbt, gender politics, dismantling of hierarchy and all the stuff that gets people really mad on Twitter to be front and centre but told through well developed character and thought provoking stories. We could see Edda struggling with her food issues, Blue Snowman and her self-destructive gender hatred, Silver Swan and the pressures put on young girls, Doctor Poison and how society can twist a person into something monstrous and then those same people can go on do even worse to others, Doctor Psycho...being Doctor Psycho. We could even take on the issues surrounding Themyscira and Hippolyta's attitudes towards men, both from her perspective and from her daughters.
Well, it WAS a mirror verse. Makes sense Atomia’s double would be less evil… It could have been interesting to make that point in the story. Like ”oh no, Atomia, we know what she’s like, what evil will she do this time?” only to realize that Mirror Atomia is the one wanting peace. You could make her more peaceful even, really pushing the fact that she’s taking a last resort to defend her people. Then the writer’s could have all the quasi-philosophical angsty instrospection they could ever want as Diana wonders about the nature of good and evil. Perhaps she could even ask herself if acting strongly on way or the other (i.e. ”good” or ”evil”) could make influence a mirror double to act stronger in the other direction… But alas, that’s a completly different story than this one. And there’s something to be said for knowing what to say in one story, rather than trying to do everything all at once.
The Chad Electron: Gets what it wants by negging Partake in both chemical AND nuclear reactions Make perfect crystals The Virgin Neutron Hides in the Nucleus like a baby Protons all "He's like a brother to me." Not even allowed into Hydrogen
Hmmm, I think we are in the Corporate Age, Marvel now being owned by a corporation (Disney) and DC no longer being ignored by their corporate overlords. Even much of the indie scene seems to be making movie pitches (hopefully to be bought by a corporation!)
So...watching this has brought me something new to love! The 1986 interpretation of Atomia looks JUST LIKE the 1990s animated version of Queen Beryl from Sailor Moon! The eyes, the hands, the nails, even the earrings!! It's fascinating!
Thanks once again Sasha, for introducing me to an obscure villain I'd never heard of. I've been getting into Wonder Woman over the last year or so, so it's nice to learn about some of her forgotten enemies. I'd also love to see some sort of Golden Age Wonder Woman retrospective one day. Also, between Reform Island and the Kangas, are we sure the Amazons aren't actually Australian? As an Aussie, I'd be fine with that.
I bought the 86 series when I was a kid. Mostly because after Crisis, I was still floored that they killed Wonder Woman rather unceremoniously. Then they drug their feet about announcing the reboot helmed by Perez (RIP). So, I looked for anything portraying her as my (at the time) favorite DC character. The art shift was a little jarring to my 11 year-old brain, but I remember still enjoying it as a throwback story. I remember this villan, AND I remember that bratty child. Also, as an aside, about a year or two before Crisis, in her solo series, Diana was imprissioned by the animated skeleton of the "first Champion of Paradise Island" who made short work of all of the Queen's guards and challenged her to a duel to the death. This was stopped, in the nick of time, by Diana who had freed herself by wrapping the magic lasso around her fists and punching her prision walls. I have never read or heard anything else about this Bronze Age(ish) first Wonder Woman, and I can't find any reference to the source material, but I remember the comic vividly (you don't forget a talking, sword fighting, still with a full head of hair and tiara skeleton). I even remember the Huntress story on the back few pages. Any ideas from anyone else who may remember this???
I feel like Wonder Woman’s legacy villains need more love. Wonder Woman gets reinvented so often that it feels like there isn’t a solid quintessential version of her. Bring back the golden age goofiness.
I just now realized that the Tickle Belt from Mermaid Man and Barnacle Boy III was a reference to Wonder Woman. Reform Island still kinda skeeves me out, though. I wouldn't mind Queen Atomia going up against other tiny characters. The obvious pick of the Atom would be fun, but for a more offbeat pick, Hawkman's 2018 series established that at least one of his past lives was microscopic. My favorite 1940s Wonder Woman villain is the Blue Snowman, who sadly mostly seems to appear in group shots of ice-themed villains. The Sky Kangas are fun. They stuck around for a while Post-Crisis, with a whole new origin unconnected to Wonder Woman. Infinity Inc. had one as a team pet. I often find it more useful to describe comics by decade, rather than by ages.
While I’ll always have affection for the George Perez era, as it created a plausible GREEK Mythology (suffering Sappho!), Trina Robbins art is always welcome for this type of story. She doesn’t just emulate the golden age style, what you see IS her style! (merciful Minerva!) Would love to see her take on ga Mary Marvel, who was originally modeled after a young Judy Garland. For that matter, I want a version of either from Wendy Pini or Sylvia Hollander. Incorrect use of Roman Deities not withstanding. Another artist whose style lends itself well is George Freeman doing golden age Batman and Robin for Brave and the Bold. Incidentally, a Batman story from the 40’s got a similar treatment to this Wonder Woman story. For one of the Anniversary issues (Detective Comics, I think), The Case of the Chemical Syndicate was shown in different interpretations from the 40’s through the 80’s. Always love energetic Etta! She was different from comic relief characters of the time, such as those in the pages of Plastic Man or Green Lantern. They were characatuers. Etta was not only confident, but athletic. Something else not associated with her body type at the time. I recall a few times she outran and hogtied a saboteur faster than you could say “Woo, Woo!!“ Great overall villain and premise for a WW story. But much like the Batman comic, not everything translated well throughout the decades. Talkin’ to you Paula. Lookin’ all smart in those 1970’s specs! Went and got a day job, huh? No wonder we don’t see you anymore…..
That early '70s Atomia "re-make" was one of the first Wonder Woman comics I ever read. Gotta admit, I loved (and still love) that cheesecake-y Ric Estrada artwork.
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Wait, wait, wait ... stop. I'm pausing this at 6:37. And, I can't even keep up with the internal logic in this. I grew up on the Micronauts, too. This Queen Atomia physics lesson is melting me as her single atom micro-verse is adding and shedding protons, neutrons and electrons on a continual timeline. Baron Karza would be envious.
She reminds me a bit of Lady Tremaine. Just cruel because she loves and thinks herself better then others. Also wants what others have even though she is already in a good standing. I think villains like that is needed sometimes. They are fun because they have fun being bad. While sympathetic villains can be really good sometimes the simple ones also have their places. I think Atomia is quite good. A bitch but one you don't mind seeing again so you can see Wonder Woman kick her butt again XD
Talking about obscure Wonder Woman villains... Paula Von Gunther. For some damn reason I still remember her after first seeing her in Brave and the Bold and can't forget her. I don't know why but everytime I think of a Wonder Woman villains she appears XD. Could be fun to make a video of Wonder Womans Nazi villain... and also talk about that time she was possessed by the spirit of Donna Troy.
With the Brainwashing Girdle, i really want to know if there were older comics that had heroes using that to reform villains like this and treated as a good thing.
They had a golden age origin. They originally belonged to an alien race (hence being bigger than normal kangaroos) that tried to conquer the Amazons and were defeated by Wondie.
Oh, and THANK YOU for doing a Wonder Woman-related vid!! I really enjoy all of your work, even about characters I don't know (there are many!). But being a die-hard WW fan, those are always my favs!
Sometime, I would love to read a Golden Age Wonder Woman Omnibus. She has potential. The Fantastic Four has a subatomic villain, Psycho-Man. I would flesh out her planet, give it a culture, they could have a wonderful ice cream, on top of that maybe have her be obsessed with gaining more because her planet is slowly diminishing like uranium does. She can be a great Wonder Woman villain along with the Atom. But also Superman or Supergirl, she could control radiation, maybe look at a piece of kryptonite and know how it radiates. I had a song stuck in my head "Uranium Fever" because of this video. BTW I love your dives into forgotten foes. Helps me exercise my thought process.
Thank You so much for this video!!! I am currently working on a book analyzing all of comic mythology, and these Atomia stories turn out to contain key klews to the kosmik puzzle. You’re doing excellent work here, I am now on to the rest of Your stuff. LOVE the style, tone, and humor in Your coverage. Perfectly deployed Geek Goddess Glammer.
That Reform Girdle weirdly reminds me of the Tickle Belt from SpongeBob SquarePants. And somehow less malicious. Still smacks of Pavlovian conditioning, though.
Atomia could work as both a gag villain or a serious villain if you have Wonder Woman team up with Firestorm. On one hand having him just straight up hard counter everything she could throw at him would be kinda funny, but if she kidnapped Ronnie Raymond and Martin Stein in their human guises to transform them into her servants and they accidentally fused in Atomia's realm, she'd have a colossal problem on her hands.
Great video showing the different approaches from the different eras. Personally, I like the Golden Age as I like the characters from that period and I find the Peter artwork interesting. I would love to see you do a retrospective of an early villain of Wonder Woman; Baroness Paula Von Gunther. I find her journey from villain to Amazon to be quite interesting and different for the Golden Age as character development became prominent in those stories. Let me know if I can help (point out the issues she appeared in). Her journey was in the first two years of Wonder Woman.
YES! Another Golden Age Wonder Woman villainess. I really like the WW art of that era - the faces are so evocative, even as they are physically distorted, and I like that more characters feel like CHARACTERS, not just tropes (though the villains can be a bit flat unless they recur regularly, like Baroness von Gunther). As far as story concepts, I hadn't heard about the homage story, but I agree - the idea of an unsatisfied need for more is a great conceptual contrast with Wonder Woman, and I wish that more had been done with it. It would also give the opportunity to contrast Wonder Woman with Ray Palmer (with his many personal issues and emotional distance). Maybe a pull between the SCIENCE! of Atomia's kingdom and the obvious immorality of the system, with Wonder Woman appealing to Palmer's humanity. Could also do a Bottle City of Kandor (though I never feel like those stories go anywhere interesting), or perhaps an opportunity to show Batman truly out of his depth - maybe a WayneTech experiment gone wrong, forcing a team-up between Batman and Wonder Woman (I think those two play off each other well, even without the shipping). You always give great prompts for storylines, or at least good thought exercises on about which characters work (or don't) thematically together.
I LIKED Reformation Island as a concept. It fit with Diana, wanting to believe that there COULD be reform, whereas every other superhero (after the brief period where they dished out ultimate Justice) just relied upon the System to do what it could with their foes. Reformation Island had one established success story, too, in Paula Von Gunther. Arkham , by contrast, has none.
Was black lipstick for Wonder Woman a thing? it's really striking in the panels from the '86 story but some of the Golden Age panels also look like she has black lips.
So wait, Wonder Woman used brainwashing for peace? But that's what Osira was doing to stop WW2 and Wonder Woman and the JSA ran in and stopped her. (she also seemed to be trying to revive her dead husband too)
i have an explanation what the most recent outing of queen atomia was for peace talks, it's a mirror version of her, b/c she comes from mirorr!hypolyta's universe, which means there may still be an evil queen atomia in the current universe. it would be interesting to see atomia, maybe not one to one with her golden age version, but i can see a modern take. she's not really a queen, but has her own island where she gets to play at being queen. her being an elon musk like character, wanting for wanting stake, but losing interest once she has the desired object, a reflection of today's celebration of excess. maybe even trying to inspire in others, even creating artificial resource wars, just so that she can control others, delight in their misery, and she has want is needed and she can leverage power.
Wonder Woman: when Zatanna and members of the justice league brainwashed Dr. Light, it was one of the biggest events in DC history and almost destroyed the Trinity, but for me… It was Tuesday lol
Light’s just lucky she didn’t have a Chastity Belt instead of a Girdle!
No wonder she always seems so calm and collected.
Didn't that happen to Wonder Man?
I love the detail of Atomia's kingdom being called U-235, this being the symbol used for Uranium isotope 235, a common ingredient in the atomic bomb that started the whole story.
Something I love about golden age Wonder Woman is that in any other comic, any sexual or romantic implications are unintended and taken out of context decades later.
But with Wonder Woman, it probably IS intentional.
Diana’s golden age villains are so underrated. They were ahead of their time while Superman and Batman were much more slowly developing their iconic rogues galleries.
I'm a big fan of recycling villains. Wonder Woman's whole rouges gallery is extremely underrated and a bunch of her villains have a ton of potential to be used in modern stories.
Part of the reason why Batman has so manny villains is Beacuase of how old he is, with thousands of villians manny of which will never see the light of day again
@@pqcowboychanel no duh but the older stuff hasn’t aged as well as wonder woman’s golden age stuff
@@pqcowboychanel I think Wonder Woman was only created a few years after Batman though. 1939 for Batman and 1941 for Wonder Woman. I'd love to see a bunch of the old baddies reimagined for both of them. Sometimes all it takes is a costume update.
+King if the Bis
Such a pity WW does not get more focus. I know DC writers pokes fun at how overused Batman, like Intellectron and the Dark Knights, but Batman still hogs too much attention.
@@pqcowboychanel
Wait, does Superman, the first super hero, have more villains then?
This story makes me realize how many of the more fucked up things and implications of Grant Morrison's "Wonder Woman: Earth One", are actually canon from the original stories.
what f**ked up things?
I read the first volume and completely missed those references until later.
Casually Comics has now convinced me that golden age Wonder Woman is the best thing to ever happen.
We need more evil-for-the-sake-of-it supervillainesses!!!
Finally a Quark shoutout. I feel his ears ringing for future profits from this
I assume the parallel of using mind control to rule her kingdom then being mind controlled to be 'good' wasn't intentional but if she ever comes back she could definitely throw that in Diana's face. Also for someone so obssessed with controlling everything to not even be able to control her own decisions while on reform island would have been hell for her.
I mean WW could throw it back in her face that she did that to millions of people and didn't care. As you pointed out.
Always liked the golden age WW art, but I can see where others might not. It's detailed but not rendered in a realistic style. More a sophisticated cartoon.
Why would I be scared of Reform Island? I went there a few months back & now I feel great!
Officially referring to this era of comics as the “But Why Though” era.
I'll be honest, I got on and fell off the Wonder Woman train with her New 52 status quo; I loved the quasi-urban fantasy of it along with the extended cast (especially Lennox). Some of her original villains are just nuts.
...but I'm also utterly down to clown with Etta Candy in any iteration. Such a well-rounded (pardon the phrase) character in spite of possibly being a one-note gag in lesser hands.
Please do the Etta Candy Perspective, so We can see how she went from Candy Craving Caucasian Red Head, too Gun Blazing Mohawk sporting African American…Am I the only one who thought this video was going to be about a Brainwashed MERA from the tease picture?…Keep Up The Outstanding Work Sasha 🖖🏾
Something about this seemed familiar, and then I remembered the Green Lantern villain Evil Star. I wonder if Evil Star is based on a gender-swapped Atomia. Instead of neutrons he has Starlings, but they serve the same purpose, and his name invokes a star instead of an atom, but the "atom" is depicted as a star, so...
Heck from what I've seen, Atomia could have very well been chosen by an Orange Ring and go to war with Larfleeze for possession of the Orange Power Battery.
Hey, someone knows Evil Star. Guess I'm not he only one who know of that guy with a star as a mask ( Which I thought it was a starfish ).
@@peterang78 Evil Starfish would be an _Aquaman_ villain.
I have to see more golden age Wonder Woman it’s so fun. Something about the character designs is weirdly calming cause it’s kind of simple and off yet really unique and pretty.
I am a huge fan of golden age Wonder Woman, and this issue as just so many great elements from it. The girdles that come from the planet Venus, and a race of people Wonder Woman met in a JSA story. Paula, a reformed enemy spy who turned good and become Wonder Woman's closest friend. And just Etta Candy being her amazing golden age self.
She's the Plankton of Wonder Woman. Even down to the green and yellow color scheme
Well, it's between her and another old school Wonder Woman foe, Mouse Man.
She could team up with Mister Mind
@@lancerutt9936 Isn't Mr. Mind giant size now or has that been reversed?
@@CMWaters well at one point he was sentenced to the electric chair and died so i can't imagine this will be permanent
I knew Golden age Wonder Woman has bondage but good grief. Scantily clad women. Check. Tons of Grade A Bondage. Check. Submissive mind controlled women check. All this and more for 10 Cents. Show your parents kids. 😮😮😳
0:52 Went to a comics vendor event last Sunday. Apparently, we’re in the “Copper Age” according to collectors.
(I was there because my dad doesn’t understand the difference between a “show” and a “convention.” Oh well, I got a compilation of 50s Batman comics-including the famous rainbow suit, June appropriate-so I’m happy.)
I'll add that Atomia is also part of a larger Golden Age Wonder Woman trend that is fascinated with Monarchy (Queen Clea & Queen Desira are the most prominent examples), contact with isolated society or even non-earth worlds (Venus, Saturn, Shamrock Land) and gender essentialism (Atomia has it mild with the robots being the masculine aspect).
Would love to see more retrospectives with Golden Age Wondy! Bondage, brainwashing and bigotry aside, the world was pretty fleshed out and had a meaningful continuity, especially with Paula Von Gunther. It's a shame that most of them unceremoniously dumped till this day.
14:06
That line is raw as hell, I love villains who can go full bad guy as part of their nature
and it does set up an interesting counter part to Diana who has an established history of looking for the best and trying to reform even the worst of her villains, what do you do when you meet someone who just doesn't care for wanting to be better or has no good intentions? Just a villain driven by wanting to rule and hold dominion over others
Renae De Liz's Etta Candy is the best Etta Candy! She brought back the golden age Etta, but made her cool and relatable,e. That's how she should always be portrayed.
Me, only glancing at the thumbnail: Red hair? Green outfit? She ain't Mera?
Atomia needs to return again.
I love her aggression, her Dr. Doom-esque ego and her fancy opera glasses. The 1974 version isn't bad. I'm not a fan of the art though. J.H. Williams would kick ass on an Atomia story
This is pretty good. Do more videos about C-list and long forgotten characters. Maybe Blue Snowman next.
Atomia is a unique one, showing that size doesn't truly matter. Though her first appearance was the first time that Wonder Woman was shrunken down. The first of many times during the gold and silver age Wonder Woman was shrunk down.
But while you mention her fighting Atom and Doll Man, I'm picturing her having a team up with a similar named villain in Atomica. Two micro ladies causing turmoil for all around. Atomia maybe even somehow saved Atomica from being crushed by Lex. Hmmm...
Golden Age Wonder Woman wouldn't have had an issue with the Zatanna mindwipes, I'm surmising.
I personally would love a video about Etta Candy!
Wonder Woman's whole situation is really great in general. There are so many villains heroes and side-characters that don't get enough recognition.
I tend to talk about adaptation a lot when I comment on this channel and I think that['s because a lot of what is covered are interesting ideas that deserve another try. I've wanted a Wonder Woman show since I was a kid watching Justice League TAS and I feel that now is a great time to tackle one. Especially if it handled rough topics. I would want the full lgbt, gender politics, dismantling of hierarchy and all the stuff that gets people really mad on Twitter to be front and centre but told through well developed character and thought provoking stories.
We could see Edda struggling with her food issues, Blue Snowman and her self-destructive gender hatred, Silver Swan and the pressures put on young girls, Doctor Poison and how society can twist a person into something monstrous and then those same people can go on do even worse to others, Doctor Psycho...being Doctor Psycho. We could even take on the issues surrounding Themyscira and Hippolyta's attitudes towards men, both from her perspective and from her daughters.
I wonder what would have happened if the Queen had found a portal to a certain gamma bomb test site?
Sub Atomic Hulk. Microbes beware!
Or if she lived in the same set of universes as Hyperion. Squadron Supreme had their own WW style superhero too.
Well, it WAS a mirror verse. Makes sense Atomia’s double would be less evil… It could have been interesting to make that point in the story. Like ”oh no, Atomia, we know what she’s like, what evil will she do this time?” only to realize that Mirror Atomia is the one wanting peace. You could make her more peaceful even, really pushing the fact that she’s taking a last resort to defend her people. Then the writer’s could have all the quasi-philosophical angsty instrospection they could ever want as Diana wonders about the nature of good and evil. Perhaps she could even ask herself if acting strongly on way or the other (i.e. ”good” or ”evil”) could make influence a mirror double to act stronger in the other direction… But alas, that’s a completly different story than this one. And there’s something to be said for knowing what to say in one story, rather than trying to do everything all at once.
The Chad Electron:
Gets what it wants by negging
Partake in both chemical AND nuclear reactions
Make perfect crystals
The Virgin Neutron
Hides in the Nucleus like a baby
Protons all "He's like a brother to me."
Not even allowed into Hydrogen
this is perfection.
Have you made an Etta video?? That would be fun to watch!
Hmmm, I think we are in the Corporate Age, Marvel now being owned by a corporation (Disney) and DC no longer being ignored by their corporate overlords. Even much of the indie scene seems to be making movie pitches (hopefully to be bought by a corporation!)
So...watching this has brought me something new to love! The 1986 interpretation of Atomia looks JUST LIKE the 1990s animated version of Queen Beryl from Sailor Moon! The eyes, the hands, the nails, even the earrings!! It's fascinating!
Thanks once again Sasha, for introducing me to an obscure villain I'd never heard of. I've been getting into Wonder Woman over the last year or so, so it's nice to learn about some of her forgotten enemies.
I'd also love to see some sort of Golden Age Wonder Woman retrospective one day.
Also, between Reform Island and the Kangas, are we sure the Amazons aren't actually Australian? As an Aussie, I'd be fine with that.
Wow. Can’t believe that Wonder Woman Earth One was so accurate to golden age Wonder Woman.
Okay, so I'm going down my own rabbit hole!! Please don't hesitate giving me your Etta Candy retrospective. PLEASE!!!
The third Atomia story, the 86 one, would be an ideal Orange Lantern.
My thoughts exactly!🧡 Lady Larfleeze
I love that you cover these wonderful gems of the past! 💎
I bought the 86 series when I was a kid. Mostly because after Crisis, I was still floored that they killed Wonder Woman rather unceremoniously. Then they drug their feet about announcing the reboot helmed by Perez (RIP). So, I looked for anything portraying her as my (at the time) favorite DC character. The art shift was a little jarring to my 11 year-old brain, but I remember still enjoying it as a throwback story. I remember this villan, AND I remember that bratty child. Also, as an aside, about a year or two before Crisis, in her solo series, Diana was imprissioned by the animated skeleton of the "first Champion of Paradise Island" who made short work of all of the Queen's guards and challenged her to a duel to the death. This was stopped, in the nick of time, by Diana who had freed herself by wrapping the magic lasso around her fists and punching her prision walls. I have never read or heard anything else about this Bronze Age(ish) first Wonder Woman, and I can't find any reference to the source material, but I remember the comic vividly (you don't forget a talking, sword fighting, still with a full head of hair and tiara skeleton). I even remember the Huntress story on the back few pages. Any ideas from anyone else who may remember this???
I feel like Wonder Woman’s legacy villains need more love. Wonder Woman gets reinvented so often that it feels like there isn’t a solid quintessential version of her. Bring back the golden age goofiness.
I just now realized that the Tickle Belt from Mermaid Man and Barnacle Boy III was a reference to Wonder Woman. Reform Island still kinda skeeves me out, though.
I wouldn't mind Queen Atomia going up against other tiny characters. The obvious pick of the Atom would be fun, but for a more offbeat pick, Hawkman's 2018 series established that at least one of his past lives was microscopic.
My favorite 1940s Wonder Woman villain is the Blue Snowman, who sadly mostly seems to appear in group shots of ice-themed villains.
The Sky Kangas are fun. They stuck around for a while Post-Crisis, with a whole new origin unconnected to Wonder Woman. Infinity Inc. had one as a team pet.
I often find it more useful to describe comics by decade, rather than by ages.
Golden age Atomia and her court have a real strong Sailor-moon villian fashion sense vibe. Like I swear I've seen those outfits in that series.
I never even heard of Etta Candy before this video! Thanks again Sasha!
Also, more Etta Candy please!!
While I’ll always have affection for the George Perez era, as it created a plausible GREEK Mythology (suffering Sappho!), Trina Robbins art is always welcome for this type of story. She doesn’t just emulate the golden age style, what you see IS her style! (merciful Minerva!) Would love to see her take on ga Mary Marvel, who was originally modeled after a young Judy Garland. For that matter, I want a version of either from Wendy Pini or Sylvia Hollander. Incorrect use of Roman Deities not withstanding.
Another artist whose style lends itself well is George Freeman doing golden age Batman and Robin for Brave and the Bold. Incidentally, a Batman story from the 40’s got a similar treatment to this Wonder Woman story. For one of the Anniversary issues (Detective Comics, I think), The Case of the Chemical Syndicate was shown in different interpretations from the 40’s through the 80’s.
Always love energetic Etta! She was different from comic relief characters of the time, such as those in the pages of Plastic Man or Green Lantern. They were characatuers. Etta was not only confident, but athletic. Something else not associated with her body type at the time. I recall a few times she outran and hogtied a saboteur faster than you could say “Woo, Woo!!“
Great overall villain and premise for a WW story. But much like the Batman comic, not everything translated well throughout the decades. Talkin’ to you Paula. Lookin’ all smart in those 1970’s specs! Went and got a day job, huh? No wonder we don’t see you anymore…..
Wendy Pini could take anything you could dream up, and make it a masterpiece!
What a legend!💕👸
@@CieJe.Alexander True that! I’m thinking a Tales of the Amazons miniseries or somesuch. Now if only we had an Oracle to tell such tales!
That early '70s Atomia "re-make" was one of the first Wonder Woman comics I ever read. Gotta admit, I loved (and still love) that cheesecake-y Ric Estrada artwork.
4:45 Etta lands on Steve's hand with both her feet, and he responds with a mild, "Ouch!"
Even tho the retelling has a weaker narrative, the retelling redesign is beautiful.
just brainwash the villains, golden age WW had found a solution for the escapees of arkham asylum all along
5:33 I mean... If superboy can punch a wall through space and time...
I'm new to your channel and have subscribed even though I'm not a regular comic reader. I just really enjoy your discussions and also have to admit that I love tuning in to see your latest hairstyle and fashions! Love, love, love! 🥰🌹🛍️
I find the idea of a Dollman - Ryan Choi "Atom" teamup as interesting. Adding them to the Atomia-Wonder Woman mix maybe more so.
Wait, wait, wait ... stop. I'm pausing this at 6:37. And, I can't even keep up with the internal logic in this. I grew up on the Micronauts, too. This Queen Atomia physics lesson is melting me as her single atom micro-verse is adding and shedding protons, neutrons and electrons on a continual timeline. Baron Karza would be envious.
She reminds me a bit of Lady Tremaine. Just cruel because she loves and thinks herself better then others. Also wants what others have even though she is already in a good standing. I think villains like that is needed sometimes. They are fun because they have fun being bad. While sympathetic villains can be really good sometimes the simple ones also have their places. I think Atomia is quite good. A bitch but one you don't mind seeing again so you can see Wonder Woman kick her butt again XD
Now I want to see a Marvel-DC crossover where Queen Atomia teams up with Psycho-Man, the old Fantastic Four villain from a sub-atomic universe.
You mentioned Amazon Attack therefore we need to reference the greatest Batman line of all time:
Bees.... My God
Love your Wonder Woman videos! I never knew these villains were so interesting! Imagine Atomia working with Atomic skull as a power couple >
An Ette Candy retrospective is a good video idea. I prefer the WONDER WOMAN: BLOODLINE version than the Rebirth version.
Talking about obscure Wonder Woman villains... Paula Von Gunther. For some damn reason I still remember her after first seeing her in Brave and the Bold and can't forget her. I don't know why but everytime I think of a Wonder Woman villains she appears XD. Could be fun to make a video of Wonder Womans Nazi villain... and also talk about that time she was possessed by the spirit of Donna Troy.
With the Brainwashing Girdle, i really want to know if there were older comics that had heroes using that to reform villains like this and treated as a good thing.
Doc Savage (the Man of Bronze) from the 20s pulps famously performed brain surgery on criminals to turn them into law abiding citizens.
Pls can someone explain why Wonder Woman is around all these kangaroos? it's such a specific animal to be popping up so often
They had a golden age origin. They originally belonged to an alien race (hence being bigger than normal kangaroos) that tried to conquer the Amazons and were defeated by Wondie.
@@lancerutt9936 thank you I was wondering🤭 about that myself.
I'm so proud to own an autographed sheet of Trina Robbins' original art from the mid-1980s miniseries.
Oh, and THANK YOU for doing a Wonder Woman-related vid!! I really enjoy all of your work, even about characters I don't know (there are many!). But being a die-hard WW fan, those are always my favs!
Can we just get a full-kink wonder woman reboot/revival? You know, for authenticity...
She is so retro, she ought to be on Rann.
Sometime, I would love to read a Golden Age Wonder Woman Omnibus. She has potential. The Fantastic Four has a subatomic villain, Psycho-Man. I would flesh out her planet, give it a culture, they could have a wonderful ice cream, on top of that maybe have her be obsessed with gaining more because her planet is slowly diminishing like uranium does. She can be a great Wonder Woman villain along with the Atom. But also Superman or Supergirl, she could control radiation, maybe look at a piece of kryptonite and know how it radiates. I had a song stuck in my head "Uranium Fever" because of this video. BTW I love your dives into forgotten foes. Helps me exercise my thought process.
I love Quark! How about a video based on Star Trek comics?
Imagine Atomia with the orange lantern ring....
What I was thinking 🧡
I mean that brainwashing belt is very indigo tribe.
In every panel of this villain I look at her long nails and wonder how they don't brake with Diana throwing her around in all these fight scenes.
Queen Atomia should come back as an Orange Lantern.
Thank You so much for this video!!! I am currently working on a book analyzing all of comic mythology, and these Atomia stories turn out to contain key klews to the kosmik puzzle. You’re doing excellent work here, I am now on to the rest of Your stuff. LOVE the style, tone, and humor in Your coverage. Perfectly deployed Geek Goddess Glammer.
Something you hear a lot in 2022: "You can be safe and look good!" 😂🤣"
Sasha, please make an Etta Candy and the Holiday Girls Retrospective video. 🙏🏾💻
If you look at Atomia later appearances in the Moulton context she is a pure Sadist.
I've always had fun with Atomia, as well as characters like Queen Desira of Venus,
Great video! Thank you
The art on those golden age WW comics is beautiful, and balls out crazy good! Comic nerds who can't figure it out need a long stay on Reform Island!
I’ll go. But only if my therapy is to read more comics!
I watched this for like 10 minutes before I realized Atomia is not Mera lol. I must have Amber Heard on the mind still.
Did she used to have a love of musicals, and was hurt by radiation, now makes war in her pain madness.
That Reform Girdle weirdly reminds me of the Tickle Belt from SpongeBob SquarePants. And somehow less malicious.
Still smacks of Pavlovian conditioning, though.
Atomia could work as both a gag villain or a serious villain if you have Wonder Woman team up with Firestorm. On one hand having him just straight up hard counter everything she could throw at him would be kinda funny, but if she kidnapped Ronnie Raymond and Martin Stein in their human guises to transform them into her servants and they accidentally fused in Atomia's realm, she'd have a colossal problem on her hands.
So… is anyone gonna mention the fact that she looks exactly like Mera? 😂
Great video showing the different approaches from the different eras. Personally, I like the Golden Age as I like the characters from that period and I find the Peter artwork interesting. I would love to see you do a retrospective of an early villain of Wonder Woman; Baroness Paula Von Gunther. I find her journey from villain to Amazon to be quite interesting and different for the Golden Age as character development became prominent in those stories. Let me know if I can help (point out the issues she appeared in). Her journey was in the first two years of Wonder Woman.
YES! Another Golden Age Wonder Woman villainess. I really like the WW art of that era - the faces are so evocative, even as they are physically distorted, and I like that more characters feel like CHARACTERS, not just tropes (though the villains can be a bit flat unless they recur regularly, like Baroness von Gunther). As far as story concepts, I hadn't heard about the homage story, but I agree - the idea of an unsatisfied need for more is a great conceptual contrast with Wonder Woman, and I wish that more had been done with it. It would also give the opportunity to contrast Wonder Woman with Ray Palmer (with his many personal issues and emotional distance). Maybe a pull between the SCIENCE! of Atomia's kingdom and the obvious immorality of the system, with Wonder Woman appealing to Palmer's humanity. Could also do a Bottle City of Kandor (though I never feel like those stories go anywhere interesting), or perhaps an opportunity to show Batman truly out of his depth - maybe a WayneTech experiment gone wrong, forcing a team-up between Batman and Wonder Woman (I think those two play off each other well, even without the shipping).
You always give great prompts for storylines, or at least good thought exercises on about which characters work (or don't) thematically together.
Somebody really has to investigate this Reform Island place.
I LIKED Reformation Island as a concept. It fit with Diana, wanting to believe that there COULD be reform, whereas every other superhero (after the brief period where they dished out ultimate Justice) just relied upon the System to do what it could with their foes. Reformation Island had one established success story, too, in Paula Von Gunther. Arkham , by contrast, has none.
Appreciate the Star Trek reference. Ferengi bartender. Did Sasha quote Scripture or reference a Star Trek Enterprise episode title?
Was black lipstick for Wonder Woman a thing? it's really striking in the panels from the '86 story but some of the Golden Age panels also look like she has black lips.
Didn´t know about Atomia. And didn´t even know it was her in Rebirth.
Sasha, do you like best the old DC comic books or Marvel´s?
I really like this show. I love the things she reads and the way she reads them. Very cool. Thanks.
Holy SHIT I was SURE that was Mera from the thumbnail!
Not much else to say. As usual I'm jealous of your glamour! Your wig game is 200%!
Can't use Mera until the Amber Heard crap dies down.
*Lillie takes a few notes from Atomia* This is for research…
She loves rocking the different wigs eh? At first I thought she was dying her hair(newer here) thats cool. Nice vid
The Kangaroo Riders of The Mirror World... That does sound like a 50s dime store paperback adventure lol.
First panel in the video: that is some trippy art.
Yo I had to pick my jaw up when Wondie hit her with "Jesus loves you but I think you're a c-word"
So wait, Wonder Woman used brainwashing for peace? But that's what Osira was doing to stop WW2 and Wonder Woman and the JSA ran in and stopped her. (she also seemed to be trying to revive her dead husband too)
Lol. Did you see Queen Atomia’s nails.?
i have an explanation what the most recent outing of queen atomia was for peace talks, it's a mirror version of her, b/c she comes from mirorr!hypolyta's universe, which means there may still be an evil queen atomia in the current universe. it would be interesting to see atomia, maybe not one to one with her golden age version, but i can see a modern take. she's not really a queen, but has her own island where she gets to play at being queen. her being an elon musk like character, wanting for wanting stake, but losing interest once she has the desired object, a reflection of today's celebration of excess. maybe even trying to inspire in others, even creating artificial resource wars, just so that she can control others, delight in their misery, and she has want is needed and she can leverage power.