Cathay 101 was told to remain on the localizer for 16R by ATC, read back holding on the localizer for 16L and ATC didn’t realise or correct him. I’m assuming Cathay didn’t realise they’d read back 16L either and stayed on 16R which is why it wasn’t caught. But anyone else listening on the same frequency might get easily confused, especially if they’re the ones holding on the 16L localizer! Then people start wasting time trying to work out what’s going on with the ‘communicate’ and forget to concentrate on the ‘aviate’…. example of how the good old ‘Swiss cheese model’ could have come into play there, but thankfully nobody was paying attention to each others or indeed their own read backs at that point, so all remained the same positional wise. 😬 I get it was a busier workload, but there was a few ATC working that and there’s been too many of these mistakes lately.
Yeah I was waiting for Cathay to question what runway they were supposed to intercept but they didnt. Unless there was communication that was edited out for time.
What are you talking about? The confusion after L and R localiser and 2/10min patterns was well after the second PAN aircraft confirmed its intentions. Where was the confusion?
I am not 100% sure that is the complete recording of that frequency (depending on where the Audio was sourced) so there is a chance the errors were corrected and we just didn't hear that transmission.
Calm? Perhaps. Professional? No. Too much discussion with other pilots trying to justify the delays, and ”negotiating” routes. The ATC never asked how much fuel left, and how many souls onboard, and tower atc didn't provide a frequency for the pilot to communicate directly with firefighter services acting on tarmac.
Great video, thanks. Excellent handling and choosing the right priorities by ATC when it became clear that TWO emergencies (or PANs, for that matter) are inbound simultaneously. [Actually, would be great to see that in the video title as well)
I flew that aircraft the first flight back after its repair. Followed a dash-8 to ABX, in their wake turbulence. That occasional bump from the wake made me feel uneasy.
@@garrygarrygarry1 - which is when it’s at the most dangerous. If an aircraft is refresh out of the hangar then the pre-flight inspections should be performed much more diligently. Plenty of examples of engine cowlings not latched, or rags within the engine bay, or just switches out of position.
@@EdOeunaI can verify this, having recently tried to 'fix', myself, several problems in my 1997 Toyota Hilux, not being a mechanic, aanndd, I created about another 13 more serious issues which degraded, sequentially, even tho I technically git the ute going again initially! 😂😅 Ha ha
Amen to That, If it skewed into the Aircraft then you have Big Problems and that's an understatement. Well handled by The On Board Crew and Air Traffic Control.
Back in the 70s, in the beautiful skies over Rio de Janeiro a pilot was doing loops, rolls and hammerheads with the flying club's Fokker S-11. Then, suddenly the propeller departed the airplane, and the pilot made an uneventful landing at the flying field. The airplane went in for inspection and prop replacement, and not much more was thought of it. About an hour later, an angry man enters the flying club, carrying a large wooden propeller and says, _"I think this belongs to you people. It fell in my back yard in the middle of a barbeque party. It was by chance that you didn't kill anyone."_
The change it attitude from the Qantas Link pilot when he was told that there were TWO PAN-PANs, his being the medical and the other being an engine out PAN...Yep, no worries, we"ll take 16L thank you!
Definately sounded like they thought ATC was mistaking a different aircraft with the PAN instead of them and giving priority to the wrong aircraft till ATC explained it 😅 Pilot realised quickly the engine out plane has first pick of the runway they need thankfully.
@@EdOeuna Bullshit. He had notified the PAN-PAN and did no know there was another one more serious. Of course he accepted his priority second status immediately. Hardly arrogance - in fact the total opposite.
@@einfelder8262 - watch it again. ATC tell him there is other PAN traffic ahead, on a 20 mile final. Instead of saying “ok, thanks” he disbelieves ATC and continues to question him, saying he is confused, etc. The Qwantarse pilot just won’t accept that there is, at that very moment, someone more important than him and his dash 8. Wasting air time on the audio whilst ATC are trying to organise other aircraft onto the other runway or to delay them until 16R gets inspected and reopens.
As a Rex flyer from Wagga Wagga I'm a happy customer. I live close by Wagga airport. I've come to love the sound of a taxiing Saab 340 over the past 22 years.
Back in the '70s I used to walk to the end of that runway and go fishing. I was a young teenager. My dad would drop me off in the morning and pick me up in the afternoon. You could do that back then.
When ever I Rhode on Raytheon Beech 1900 I would think about those beautiful propellers - They sure pulled hard on acceleration - Initially better than a jet - although I have never Experienced afterburner ! Of course weight comes in to play --> 😮. Good times were had By all except the one ice event over the big fridge ! Lake Superior - Ice from about 5,000 ft. To Cruise Kinda scary watching that crap fling off the wings ! Yikes …
Usually an intact spinning propeller will go forward and drop down rather quickly since it is pulling the plane along it will continue on that path. If you are unlucky to throw just one blade at the time it passes the arc range of the cabin then some fruit ninja may occur.😂
@@Flight_Follower And didn't they vacate left onto B? So that's the northern one of the two taxiways that vehicle came out of, not straight on or even further up on the runway.
As a Rex Airlines traveller, I remember when this happened. Flying with Rex a few months later from Adelaide to Kangaroo Island, we had to stand on the tarmac waiting to board the plane, while Rex ground staff pumped up one of the tyres! Someone said, "Have you checked the propellers?" Oh no, I didn't need that...😱
I flew on this plane last year in seat 3A and noticed that row 2 did not have a window and that area of the fuselage lines up exactly with the line of the propellor. I would imagine there are a few layers of Kevlar there. That said, the propellers are quite large as it can carry about 35 people and one of them flying off would pack a punch.
Smoking hot story !!! It happened on 17 March ... ah, 2017. They found the propeller in a bush near a residential estate. The aircraft has been repaired and has been operational until 25 March ... 2024, being stored at Wagga Wagga Airport in Australia with the airline, REX, considering, whether it is worth asking this 32 year old "clepper" to cruise along for them any further. Stay tuned for "Breaking News" about the "Siver Cloud" having been found in the Snowy Mountains, NSW, Australia, on 26 October 1958, having crashed on 21 March 1931.
I had a business associate flying on a turboprop from Pittsburgh to Toronto. The propeller fell off, they landed in Buffalo and had to be bussed to Toronto. No worries, the airline refunded his entire airfare.
@@itzgreen6085 A "PAN" is an urgency, a "MAYDAY" is an emergency If I was flying the engine failure (especially in suck a spectacular fashion) would have been a MAYDAY, because you don't know how whether the same thing to have caused it on one engine will cause it on the other, although at that particular time there was no imminent danger, so either can be justified (even if the other engine failed, they may have had enough glide to reach the airport). Clearly ATC are prioritising this plane, whether because it was closer or because it was most critical is unclear but 🤷🤷. The medical situation depends what the situation is, if it's just someone who's airsick then it's not an emergency, if it's someone having a heart attack it is.
Wow havent had one of these happen in a while. Prop shearing off can really go bad so thankfully this was almost hoehum after the initial shock. Good job to all especially the pilots!! 😊😊😊
I work at ABX airport where the flight took off from and I noticed in our inquiries office where there is some model aircraft that someone took the prop from the REX model
"The ahh prop has just, ahh fallen off the aircraft." Very calmly spoken. Miraculous that the aircraft did not seem to get damaged by the propeller. . I wonder what the direction of spin is for those props? and what happens to a prop when it falls off. i.e. does it fly upwards first? due to its rotation speed? Does it fly outwards? Does it depend ?
"It's exactly the same as what happened on June 8, 1983, when a Lockheed L-188 Electra, N1968R, operated by Reeve Aleutian Airways Flight 8, made an emergency landing at Anchorage, Alaska, after a propeller separation. In this incident, the propeller sliced through the control cables and into the cabin, but luckily with the rex aircraft didn't lose flight controls."
Pilot looses an engine, doesn't even declare a mayday instead opting for - not even a pan pan pan, just a single "pan". Australia just builds people differently XD
It's the new fuel saving measure. The prop is now a boomerang and goes right back to the airport for the next flight to use for takeoff. New regs😂 G'day mate.
1: holy crap i hope the prop didnt strike the plane. 2: Look out below! I hope noone was injured by this broken-away propeller. 3: i hope they were able to shut that engine right down. Cause that thing is gonna overspeed itself to ripping apart *very* quickly. Doubt it'd even take a minute.
It didn't, it flew forward under its own rotational inertia. It landed in bushland, no one got hit. Turbine engines have overspeed protection, as soon as it hit redline it would have had its fuel cut by the FCU (Fuel Control Unit)
The tower must have SFB, "...and if so what taxiway?" WTF?? They're there to help, not ask stupid questions to a flight crew in a high workload Pan approach. Assuming I was the first officer I'd have just said, "Are you for real?" He's so dopey he'd probably take the question literally. They seem completely divorced from reality these people and they're managing airspace. They don't have a Can Do attitude in an emergency that's for sure. No wonder pilots get annoyed.
A bit confused we are the PAN aircraft with a medical emergency uh yes sir we have 2 PANs the aircraft ahead is down an engine pilot thinking to self yeah we should probably give the runway he wants we will take the other one 😂
Middle of dense bush in the Royal National Park. Lucky they were coming in from the south-west otherwise there would be a good chance of it happening over a populated area.
@mediocreman2 actually they only caught one of 2 read back errors . CPA101 was issued to hold on localizer 16 right they read back 16 LEFT, the time of pattern leg was corrected but not the runway localizer error
@@DJ99777 Well there are a lot of these propellers spinning around the world all the time, and its very rare for something like this to happen. I just don’t want people thinking that propellers aren’t safe.
@@Prototheria No, it's an Aussie thing just to use lots of words. I understood what you meant, though. 😉 Panicking to prove things are an emergency won't make things better or actually get things done quicker.
Translation provided for non aviators: "Would you like further descent?" (Cuz your ass is gonna drop like a bowling ball anyway.) "Further descent, thanks." (Considering we're 80° nose down and going transonic, numbnuts!) "We've had uncommanded engine operation." (This piece of junk is as fucked up as a soup sandwich.) "You can expect 16R for landing." (And I can expect the smoking supermarket parking lot to be shown a lot on the news tonight.)
He was put on a 20 mile final, that's about as straight in as you can get. They were following a traffic pattern in terms of geometry but it was far from a normal circuit. Downwind is downwind, in this case it was just very extended and probably quite wide due to the emergency. Also, by making a left hand pattern that had the aircraft turning into the live engine, which is preferable.
Imagine sitting in the plane and it’s falls off, I fly Rex all the time, never had a problem with them ,, someone found the prop behind their house in bushland
More than 10 years ago a prop plane flying mail for Australia Post from Melbourne - Essendon to Sydney - Bankstown passing over the eastern suburbs lost a door. Next morning, via radio, the public was asked to keep an eye open for that part. I just passed a large block of vacant land, fenced in for upcoming subdivision and development in Bayswater North on my way to work. A funny feeling did come up, telling me the door is in there. As they were still looking for it in the afternoon, I pulled in at the Police Station in Boronia. They must have had a bad day, as the grumpy officer told me off, pointing out, that Police is dealing with facts, not assumptions. About a month later, when they started breaking ground, a bulldozer came across the door, slammed well into the soil. I wonder, if the Police officer heard about it too.
Painful to listen too. The Rex flight should have been declared an emergency. Under ICAO rules I believe this to be correct. The plane, Jetstar, pan was appropriate as the plane itself was flying normally.
@@trent1963 like they all like to hear their voice on the radio. My instructor would yell at me for this. If flying VFR and you request flight following and are very wordy you are more likely to get a too busy reply from ATC.
@@ZebedeeAU he should have declared an emergency as it definitely is an emergency, and would have avoided confusion with the airplane that needed priority handling but not due to mechanical problems!
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Cathay 101 was told to remain on the localizer for 16R by ATC, read back holding on the localizer for 16L and ATC didn’t realise or correct him. I’m assuming Cathay didn’t realise they’d read back 16L either and stayed on 16R which is why it wasn’t caught. But anyone else listening on the same frequency might get easily confused, especially if they’re the ones holding on the 16L localizer! Then people start wasting time trying to work out what’s going on with the ‘communicate’ and forget to concentrate on the ‘aviate’…. example of how the good old ‘Swiss cheese model’ could have come into play there, but thankfully nobody was paying attention to each others or indeed their own read backs at that point, so all remained the same positional wise. 😬
I get it was a busier workload, but there was a few ATC working that and there’s been too many of these mistakes lately.
Yeah I was waiting for Cathay to question what runway they were supposed to intercept but they didnt. Unless there was communication that was edited out for time.
and the hold for 2 mins (not 10) correction wasn't acknowledged by Cathay either.
@@737simviatorNo it’s wasn’t and there’s no confusion regarding the two PAN aircraft
What are you talking about? The confusion after L and R localiser and 2/10min patterns was well after the second PAN aircraft confirmed its intentions. Where was the confusion?
I am not 100% sure that is the complete recording of that frequency (depending on where the Audio was sourced) so there is a chance the errors were corrected and we just didn't hear that transmission.
A lot of calm, collected & professional people involved there.
No histrionics, no panic, nothing but doing the right thing.
I can imagine them all, including the pilot sipping tea.....
Calm? Perhaps. Professional? No. Too much discussion with other pilots trying to justify the delays, and ”negotiating” routes. The ATC never asked how much fuel left, and how many souls onboard, and tower atc didn't provide a frequency for the pilot to communicate directly with firefighter services acting on tarmac.
Tell that to the bloke in the window seat who watched the prop. Exit stage right
Doing the right thing? Like keeping the prop on the aircraft?
They just had their lucky moment, losing the RIGHT SIDE propeller, spinning away. The LEFT SIDE would have sliced into the cabin ...
Note “we REQUIRE “. That phrase is critical when dealing with ATC and no options
In Australia, its a little diferent, you dont need to be a k nt just clear of what you need and atc will assist.
Prop's to the pilot!
Just one tho 😂
@@Molon_Labe1776 😂😂
Groan...
🤣
He sure needs one!
Got to love Australian ATC and pilots, the incident was very well handled by all involved
Fark me my fucken prop just took smoko.
Great video, thanks. Excellent handling and choosing the right priorities by ATC when it became clear that TWO emergencies (or PANs, for that matter) are inbound simultaneously. [Actually, would be great to see that in the video title as well)
Glad you enjoyed it! Well noted
I flew that aircraft the first flight back after its repair. Followed a dash-8 to ABX, in their wake turbulence. That occasional bump from the wake made me feel uneasy.
That aircraft was probably the safest to fly on in the fleet at that time though, it had just been through rigerous maintenance and fly-worthiness
@@garrygarrygarry1 - which is when it’s at the most dangerous. If an aircraft is refresh out of the hangar then the pre-flight inspections should be performed much more diligently. Plenty of examples of engine cowlings not latched, or rags within the engine bay, or just switches out of position.
@@EdOeuna I stand corrected, Thanks for your more insightful reply... i wrote mine slightly inebriated.
@@EdOeunaI can verify this, having recently tried to 'fix', myself, several problems in my 1997 Toyota Hilux, not being a mechanic, aanndd, I created about another 13 more serious issues which degraded, sequentially, even tho I technically git the ute going again initially! 😂😅 Ha ha
Amen to That, If it skewed into the Aircraft then you have Big Problems and that's an understatement.
Well handled by The On Board Crew and Air Traffic Control.
Back in the 70s, in the beautiful skies over Rio de Janeiro a pilot was doing loops, rolls and hammerheads with the flying club's Fokker S-11. Then, suddenly the propeller departed the airplane, and the pilot made an uneventful landing at the flying field. The airplane went in for inspection and prop replacement, and not much more was thought of it. About an hour later, an angry man enters the flying club, carrying a large wooden propeller and says, _"I think this belongs to you people. It fell in my back yard in the middle of a barbeque party. It was by chance that you didn't kill anyone."_
That's why they practise within glide distance to airfields ! those type of planes loose a lot of props Even late models
The change it attitude from the Qantas Link pilot when he was told that there were TWO PAN-PANs, his being the medical and the other being an engine out PAN...Yep, no worries, we"ll take 16L thank you!
Typical Qwantarse arrogance.
Definately sounded like they thought ATC was mistaking a different aircraft with the PAN instead of them and giving priority to the wrong aircraft till ATC explained it 😅 Pilot realised quickly the engine out plane has first pick of the runway they need thankfully.
Typical Q link. They got all pissy in Adelaide when they were told to hold on runway at Adelaide while I flew overhead in my Cessna.
@@EdOeuna Bullshit. He had notified the PAN-PAN and did no know there was another one more serious. Of course he accepted his priority second status immediately. Hardly arrogance - in fact the total opposite.
@@einfelder8262 - watch it again. ATC tell him there is other PAN traffic ahead, on a 20 mile final. Instead of saying “ok, thanks” he disbelieves ATC and continues to question him, saying he is confused, etc. The Qwantarse pilot just won’t accept that there is, at that very moment, someone more important than him and his dash 8.
Wasting air time on the audio whilst ATC are trying to organise other aircraft onto the other runway or to delay them until 16R gets inspected and reopens.
As a Rex flyer from Wagga Wagga I'm a happy customer.
I live close by Wagga airport.
I've come to love the sound of a taxiing Saab 340 over the past 22 years.
The home of Kendall Airlines and these are Don’s Saab 340s. Sad what happened to his airline.
this video might scare some flyers but i find it reassuring that they can still land safely even after a prop falls off
Give our regards to that "old bird". It is stored at your airport since 25 March (2024) after 32 years of operation.
Back in the '70s I used to walk to the end of that runway and go fishing. I was a young teenager. My dad would drop me off in the morning and pick me up in the afternoon. You could do that back then.
Much Respect for the calm cool and collected flight crew!!!😎
Still had one fan... Once that stops, it gets hotter very quickly 😂
Cool and Calm. Well done Rex pilots and ATC
When ever I Rhode on Raytheon Beech 1900 I would think about those beautiful propellers -
They sure pulled hard on acceleration - Initially better than a jet - although I have never
Experienced afterburner ! Of course weight comes in to play --> 😮. Good times were had
By all except the one ice event over the big fridge ! Lake Superior - Ice from about 5,000 ft. To
Cruise Kinda scary watching that crap fling off the wings ! Yikes …
well done ATC and crew.
They're lucky the prop didn't go through the plane
He was lucky. of course
I remember this happening to a US marine C130 if i am not wrong
Pilots had no chance of saving the aircraft or themselves
Very lucky!!!!!!!
Usually an intact spinning propeller will go forward and drop down rather quickly since it is pulling the plane along it will continue on that path.
If you are unlucky to throw just one blade at the time it passes the arc range of the cabin then some fruit ninja may occur.😂
@@kiwidieseliirc an Alaska air superprop had a prop disconnect and tore open the cabin
The service truck hit the tail of the plane! 😂
I was expecting this comment to be honest 😂 yeah. Almost another collision on ground 😆
@@Flight_Follower And didn't they vacate left onto B? So that's the northern one of the two taxiways that vehicle came out of, not straight on or even further up on the runway.
As a Rex Airlines traveller, I remember when this happened. Flying with Rex a few months later from Adelaide to Kangaroo Island, we had to stand on the tarmac waiting to board the plane, while Rex ground staff pumped up one of the tyres! Someone said, "Have you checked the propellers?" Oh no, I didn't need that...😱
Thats why I take the ferry to beautiful K.I !!!
@@SouthCoastLimited Only to be hit from the sky by some hobby pilot in their garage built contraption ...
Prop was like, did I lock the doors when I left this morning or cut the stove off🤣🤣🤣
I flew on this plane last year in seat 3A and noticed that row 2 did not have a window and that area of the fuselage lines up exactly with the line of the propellor. I would imagine there are a few layers of Kevlar there. That said, the propellers are quite large as it can carry about 35 people and one of them flying off would pack a punch.
the armour is for ice forming on the prop and being slung into the fuselage. theres not much that will stop the mass of a blade.
Show me a plane that will stop a propeller strike safely and you will see a plane that can’t fly.
Smoking hot story !!! It happened on 17 March ... ah, 2017. They found the propeller in a bush near a residential estate. The aircraft has been repaired and has been operational until 25 March ... 2024, being stored at Wagga Wagga Airport in Australia with the airline, REX, considering, whether it is worth asking this 32 year old "clepper" to cruise along for them any further. Stay tuned for "Breaking News" about the "Siver Cloud" having been found in the Snowy Mountains, NSW, Australia, on 26 October 1958, having crashed on 21 March 1931.
Props - pun unintended - to both aircraft, the suddenly-one-engined craft AND the medical craft. That exchange with the QLink was classic!
I had a business associate flying on a turboprop from Pittsburgh to Toronto. The propeller fell off, they landed in Buffalo and had to be bussed to Toronto. No worries, the airline refunded his entire airfare.
Quite the Pan-tastic day in Sydney with two PAN aircraft inbound...
I now want a panini
Pan...oh that is so silly. They were emergency aircraft.
@@RLTtizMEthat’s what a pan aircraft is??
@@itzgreen6085 A "PAN" is an urgency, a "MAYDAY" is an emergency
If I was flying the engine failure (especially in suck a spectacular fashion) would have been a MAYDAY, because you don't know how whether the same thing to have caused it on one engine will cause it on the other, although at that particular time there was no imminent danger, so either can be justified (even if the other engine failed, they may have had enough glide to reach the airport). Clearly ATC are prioritising this plane, whether because it was closer or because it was most critical is unclear but 🤷🤷.
The medical situation depends what the situation is, if it's just someone who's airsick then it's not an emergency, if it's someone having a heart attack it is.
@@samd2660 Or you can just say emergency…then you won’t have to convulse in your BarcaLounger.
Damn they earned their money that day - 2 PANs! Well done everyone.
Interesting- ive always wondered what would be priority in a double emergency and now i know
No feathering the prop required on that engine.
Still not a bad idea to pull back the throttle.
Feather ... I don't think it was bird strike.
Wow havent had one of these happen in a while. Prop shearing off can really go bad so thankfully this was almost hoehum after the initial shock. Good job to all especially the pilots!! 😊😊😊
I work at ABX airport where the flight took off from and I noticed in our inquiries office where there is some model aircraft that someone took the prop from the REX model
Is there a Link Saab model there also with a prop securing strap attached??
(Look up VH-VEQ incident at YSCB)
@@450gmo Nar, the other model is an Qantas Q400 model (the tail is bent sideways) and Lego set 60104 with custom fly Albury ABX stickers
I think an Alaska airliner or commuter jet had the same issue where prop came off and cut the belly of the plane which cut some wires.
"The ahh prop has just, ahh fallen off the aircraft." Very calmly spoken. Miraculous that the aircraft did not seem to get damaged by the propeller. . I wonder what the direction of spin is for those props? and what happens to a prop when it falls off. i.e. does it fly upwards first? due to its rotation speed? Does it fly outwards? Does it depend ?
It would depend on RPM, vibration and imbalance, and also airflow. If you're lucky it doesn't fly towards the fuselage.
"It's exactly the same as what happened on June 8, 1983, when a Lockheed L-188 Electra, N1968R, operated by Reeve Aleutian Airways Flight 8, made an emergency landing at Anchorage, Alaska, after a propeller separation. In this incident, the propeller sliced through the control cables and into the cabin, but luckily with the rex aircraft didn't lose flight controls."
Southern Pacific lost a prop north of Syd back in the early 90’s and the passengers never noticed
I guess the pilot did not have to worry about feathering the prop! Great job pilots, super professional!
You are right!
Pilot looses an engine, doesn't even declare a mayday instead opting for - not even a pan pan pan, just a single "pan". Australia just builds people differently XD
Australian pilot 🧑✈️
This is from ages ago.
had me thinking it was a new one.
Sincere apologies
Excellent content mate, fantastic context. Keep up the good work.
Thank you,sir! Glad you enjoyed it
Wow , this is excellent, pro and calm pilot or what
no need to feather it shortens the check list.
It's the new fuel saving measure. The prop is now a boomerang and goes right back to the airport for the next flight to use for takeoff. New regs😂
G'day mate.
Good CRM guys and girls. Got everyone safely on the ground. That’s a win!
Boy i bet he was sweating without that big fan.
Props and jet engines are designed to depart under server vibration better to shear off than vibrate the plane in to pieces
No they are not.
Better to shut down the engine...but yea whatever lol 😂
clarke and dawe: So the front fell off?
Excellent professionalism all round. I hope nobody suffered due to the wayward prop..
As I recall it was several days before the prop was recovered.
@@charlesbrewer6552 that seems promising as hour reply does indicate nobody was injured, thanks.
That’s some Final Destination nightmare fuel right there. Walking down street only to be cut in half by an aircraft prop.
I wonder if that Saab is one of the old American Eagle 340B’s that I used to fly in the 90’s.
Why am I watching this, I’m flying on a turbo prop tomorrow.
Well at least it wasn't the front which felt of
You can tell that not many people read the comments, judging by how many asked what happened to the propeller.
Aussie pilot maintaining maximum cool!
Depending on prop spin direction I wonder if it would have changed the outcome. Scary..
Nah, gravity will win.
Lucky the prop flew outwards after separating. That could have been very, very bad.
DUAL pan is crazy
Sounded like a normal day at the office....
WOW Tom I love your new garden ornament! Where did you get it?
Cutting an entire large lawn in no time when spinning in for landing. The council should have charged REX for littering.
6:16 Localiser for 16R or 16L ??? Communications breakdown there.
Incroyable
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How old is that Beechcraft 1900 when I worked for great lakes airlines they were built in 1972...
That certainly made for an interesting fifteen minutes for everyone involved....
1: holy crap i hope the prop didnt strike the plane.
2: Look out below! I hope noone was injured by this broken-away propeller.
3: i hope they were able to shut that engine right down. Cause that thing is gonna overspeed itself to ripping apart *very* quickly. Doubt it'd even take a minute.
It didn't, it flew forward under its own rotational inertia.
It landed in bushland, no one got hit.
Turbine engines have overspeed protection, as soon as it hit redline it would have had its fuel cut by the FCU (Fuel Control Unit)
I wonder what the cause of the prop detachment was. That's a real high stress job, so many things to keep track of.
Boeing-hold my beer
After all these years the bro has struck again. I thought the hubs got a redesign.
The tower must have SFB, "...and if so what taxiway?" WTF??
They're there to help, not ask stupid questions to a flight crew in a high workload Pan approach. Assuming I was the first officer I'd have just said, "Are you for real?" He's so dopey he'd probably take the question literally.
They seem completely divorced from reality these people and they're managing airspace. They don't have a Can Do attitude in an emergency that's for sure.
No wonder pilots get annoyed.
Preflight , always check your wingnuts .
Where did the Prop land, when it hit the ground????😮
Landed in some trees SW of the airport.
Revesby Heights. 33°58'00.15" S 151°00'55.25" E
A bit confused we are the PAN aircraft with a medical emergency uh yes sir we have 2 PANs the aircraft ahead is down an engine pilot thinking to self yeah we should probably give the runway he wants we will take the other one 😂
This seems more like a Mayday than a Pan.
Not really, the aircraft was not in immediate danger of crashing and the pilots still had full control.
Incorrect. It happened on a Marchday.
@@Mikere5 whatever. Thanks for correcting me though.
Wonder where the prop landed...
Middle of dense bush in the Royal National Park. Lucky they were coming in from the south-west otherwise there would be a good chance of it happening over a populated area.
6:15 Anybody catch the incorrect readback
Not the ATC, apparently 😂
We stopped giving out prizes...is that OK?
ATC caught it
@mediocreman2 actually they only caught one of 2 read back errors . CPA101 was issued to hold on localizer 16 right they read back 16 LEFT, the time of pattern leg was corrected but not the runway localizer error
Did they ever acknowledge the correction?
So, the front fell off?
The whole shaft with all of the propeller blades came off, with the spinner as well!
Exactly.
Yeah, but that’s not very typical, I’d like to make that point.
@@michaelhorne8366 how is it untypical?
@@DJ99777 Well there are a lot of these propellers spinning around the world all the time, and its very rare for something like this to happen. I just don’t want people thinking that propellers aren’t safe.
A busy day at the office, where did the prop land ? as they say it was found.
It fell into some trees SW of the airport.
Busy day for ATC!!
Where did the prop land!?
In some trees.
www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2017/aair/ao-2017-032
Now who tightened them Bolts?
Luckily, the blade didn't strike the plane carrier.
Good thing it came off mid air and not 1/3rd air
Holy christ, is Sydney Control paid by the word or what? Spit it out, man!
It's an Aussie thing. Their version of English politeness without (to them) the horror of being English.
@@le13579 So it's an Aussie thing to fuck around while there's a no shit real world IFE going on?
@@Prototheria No, it's an Aussie thing just to use lots of words. I understood what you meant, though. 😉
Panicking to prove things are an emergency won't make things better or actually get things done quicker.
Translation provided for non aviators:
"Would you like further descent?"
(Cuz your ass is gonna drop like a bowling ball anyway.)
"Further descent, thanks."
(Considering we're 80° nose down and going transonic, numbnuts!)
"We've had uncommanded engine operation."
(This piece of junk is as fucked up as a soup sandwich.)
"You can expect 16R for landing."
(And I can expect the smoking supermarket parking lot to be shown a lot on the news tonight.)
Kinda curious why they would direct an aircraft without an engine to fly a normal traffic pattern versus a straight in.
He was put on a 20 mile final, that's about as straight in as you can get. They were following a traffic pattern in terms of geometry but it was far from a normal circuit. Downwind is downwind, in this case it was just very extended and probably quite wide due to the emergency. Also, by making a left hand pattern that had the aircraft turning into the live engine, which is preferable.
Should we call this plane a wheelbarrow?
Imagine sitting in the plane and it’s falls off, I fly Rex all the time, never had a problem with them ,, someone found the prop behind their house in bushland
More than 10 years ago a prop plane flying mail for Australia Post from Melbourne - Essendon to Sydney - Bankstown passing over the eastern suburbs lost a door. Next morning, via radio, the public was asked to keep an eye open for that part. I just passed a large block of vacant land, fenced in for upcoming subdivision and development in Bayswater North on my way to work. A funny feeling did come up, telling me the door is in there. As they were still looking for it in the afternoon, I pulled in at the Police Station in Boronia. They must have had a bad day, as the grumpy officer told me off, pointing out, that Police is dealing with facts, not assumptions.
About a month later, when they started breaking ground, a bulldozer came across the door, slammed well into the soil. I wonder, if the Police officer heard about it too.
Where was the prop found?
7:15 what is that red inside the lower ducting?
Cool as a cucumber for having just lost a prop.
Propeller just landed in my living room its being framed
Good thing the prop flew upwards, if it went sideways into the plane totally different outcome.
They will be on the ground before that controler is finsished talking.
prop falling off trumps medical
0:08 The first Sydney Control sounds like time is not of the essence and speaks slowly with lots of delay words
Painful to listen too. The Rex flight should have been declared an emergency. Under ICAO rules I believe this to be correct. The plane, Jetstar, pan was appropriate as the plane itself was flying normally.
And a lot of nosey and needy pilots on frequency as well
@@trent1963 like they all like to hear their voice on the radio. My instructor would yell at me for this. If flying VFR and you request flight following and are very wordy you are more likely to get a too busy reply from ATC.
@@annyer262PIC declared it as urgency not emergency. He was there. He had all the relevant information. You were not there.
@@ZebedeeAU he should have declared an emergency as it definitely is an emergency, and would have avoided confusion with the airplane that needed priority handling but not due to mechanical problems!
I hate when that happens.
7 year Réunion for this audio?
Will the prop bolts require any locktight boss? Nah, all good mate
Aircraft engines are much more effective when the propeller remains attached for the entirety of the flight.
Aircaft looses propeller mid flght
This happened on the 17th of March 2017
Errrrr…..no…it was this year 2024
www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2017/aair/ao-2017-032
17 March 2017 Albury to Sydney flight.
@@bg588 www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2017/aair/ao-2017-032
@@bg588 er no
Nothing wrong with the engine mate, the front bit fell off
I'd bet most of passengers took their seat coushins with them on there way out ;-)
Wish i could buy a rex ticket at a regional airport
obvious case of aa old plane and lack of inspections done