Consoles are never going away because your average consumer wants to buy a box, plug it in, and play a game. I can tell you that out of my entire circle of gaming friends, I don’t think a single one of them could tell you what frame rate is. They probably couldn’t even tell you what SSD or HDD stands for. But they like CoD and Fortnite. I guarantee you they are representative of the mass market at large.
Most people don’t want to get an associates degree playing their games; Just plug & play, boom. After setting up my steamdeck with all the emulators & all the necessary files, etc, I too, just want to play.
You could buy a modern gaming console and plug it in but before you can play, you need to do system updates, register for console, sign up for their online service, then when you’re ready to play the game, you have to update and install it. Gaming generations ago you bought the console, plug it in, pop in the game, turn it on and play it done. Instant gratification.
@@yiannis777-l9chard disagree. PC has constant fiddling. Hardware support is super spotty too. PC HDR is also incredibly lacking. I only own PC now, but must admit I miss my Series X for the ease of use and its amazing HDR implementation.
@@1davidbboy I agree with the hdr part, it's actually way better on consoles, but aside from that i don't see the issue, assuming all your drivers and software is up to date you shouldn't have problems with pc gaming
The benefit of consoles rarely mentioned is it offers a uniform global specification for developers. Developing games is hard enuff, a unified ecosystem removes a huge variable from the equation.
@@rezwhapits not..........they develop it for consoles THEN port it to pc, this is why games such as Dragons dogma 2 plays FINE no problems on ps5 and xbox series X... but ppl on steam are haivng a hissy fit cuz game is chugging or crashing..(some of this is due to ppl on steam having weak as pc and theyd ont read the specs of the game but) sure a patch will fix it all sooner or later, but dont kid yoru self, any BIG games are dev for console then ported to pc, its why GTA 6 will be on consoles first and then pc 2 years later... pc is SUCH a hassle because how all the diff systems and brands...
@@aaronclay4665 Sure, I agree with all that. The more that the dev/test for the console version is a separate/earlier effort, the greater the uniformity advantage. I guess I’m just skeptical that such a clean project separation would be common for simultaneous console/PC launches. 🙂
I wish there was a way to overcome VR sickness. I don’t suffer from it (even during long sessions) but that right there is the future of gaming. And think of how amazing it would be if someone like Microsoft patched the Xbox Series X to support all the Windows Mixed Reality headsets that are out there
Consoles, and videogames, will probably transition almost fully to cloud services in the next 10 years. Lots of people are already using those kind of services with a good degree of satisfaction today, the path is clear, it's like with the DVDs and videocassettes, once technology is advanced enough to distribute the media you want companies no longer need to sell you dedicated hardware.
The way how the industry is being ran now, with how the games are being made with less quality, always online, and console manufacturers putting their games on pc stupidly, which gives people less incentive to buy consoles and buy pc instead, then I'd say yes. Nintendo will be the only console manufacturer soon. They're the only ones doing things right. Look at the sales of the switch compared to other handhelds and consoles on the market.
I think cloud platforms will gain some market share for budget players, but there is inherent latency problems with cloud gaming that continues to be a large problem. You could use cloud compute resources to do things local consoles can’t do to sell the cloud gaming experience though. Either way there are still tradeoffs which depends on what consumers want as far as which one leads in the near future.
Before the 360 & PS3 launched almost every tech journalist was predicting the end of consoles. Both consoles sold millions and then the PS4 & PS5 have done even better and let's not forget the Switch.
Anyone remember when we went through this whole thing at the beginning of Gen 8? Everyone talking about how mobile was somehow going to be the all encompassing gaming replacement?
I think the tech has evolved to the point where it could happen now if hardware makers really wanted it to. You could have Steam Deck like systems that dock into a TV/Monitor but can detach and become portable. It wouldn't be the iPhone killing off consoles like people predicted before Gen 8, it would be the Deck.
@@quentenburnett7296 a SteamDeck is still running PC games. The appeal of consoles for most people is the simplicity and having every game 'just work'.
As always, convenience is the key word here ... Your average Joe, or Mom & Dad, dont want to deal with bugs, updates, crashes, bad ports, PC parts, fiddling with game settings and whatnot, nor do they want to splash something like north of 1000 dollar for an decent gaming PC. They just want to walk into a shop (or order online), pick up the gaming console box, check-out, drive home, unbox, put it under their 4K tv, turn it on, crash on their couch, put their feet on the table and start playing. Thats it. All that just for between 450 and 550 dollars. Nevermind streaming games is still not up to par this day when it comes to latency and lag. So, no ... consoles are not going away anytime soon.
Yes, because consoles never have bugs, updates, crashes and bad ports, and "between 450 and 550 dollars" doesn't factor in payments for playing online, which is free on PC. The reason for playing on consoles should be preference, not ignorance.
@@egomaster76 lmao yeah console is plug and play unlike pc that's the reason why you play a console to not f around with the problems that pc comes around mind blowing what? 🤯
@@egomaster76 Consoles might have bugs and updates, but they're usually minimal, and if a console game doesn't run AT ALL, that is a catastrophic situation that almost never happens, while on PC that can happen all the time. So you = wrong.
10 years from now the 4080 super will consistently run your games at least at 1080P 30 FPS while on consoles you will have a mess as the console ages. investing in a PC makes sense in the long run because you can run way more games that what's possible on current generation of consoles not to mention that the multiplayer is FREE when you own the game.
@@Fernando-Rodriguezat the time of release, building a PC that runs like a consolo cost more than buying all 3 consoles and on top of that PC sucks at HDR
@@accountteam9859Take Starfield for example superbly optimized to 30hz on Xbox😂. The game plays and looks much better on my PC desktop, I find such a low framerate unplayable on my Series X.
Consoles were created as a cheaper alternative to Arcade & PC gaming. Arcades are mostly gone & building a beefy PC is still expensive, so consoles are still needed. IMO, Since Nintendo doesn't make electronics or PC software like Sony or MS does, if things go South, Nintendo will probably be the last console maker to go down.
there was no "pc gamign" back when consoles were created......it was made to put the arcade in your living room.. and Sonys playstion makes that company the most money..........if playstion fields sonys done(for the most part) they have TONS OF DIVISONS that actively lose money and the moive,playstion and tv are the only things holding them up.
Phones didn't exist then though. Not saying consoles aren't what consumers want but... they're not "needed" they're just popular because phones didn't show up first
Exactly!!!!! Smart guy you are. I said the same thing in my comment above. Nintendo are the only company doing it right. Just look at thr popularity and sales compared to its competition. Nintendo will be the only ones standing in thr end while Sony follows xbox into pc. Sony fell into Microsoft trap.
I’ve always liked how consoles set the minimum standard for what players can expect from a gaming system. Each iteration establishes a new baseline of acceptable performance.
True, but that has always been the point of consoles from the very beginning of time. Consoles were always designed to be a cheaper and more affordable alternative to PC.
Also, having a common hardware target enables software optimizations and some gameplay options that would otherwise be prohibitively expensive to implement with many hardware variations.
As a primarily PC player, consoles are the backbone of gaming. Most entry level gamers are going to start on console plus the ease of use on top of price to performance ratio there really is no beating consoles for the average consumer.
Consoles have generally brought in new industry standards. So i don't understand these people crapping on it. - vibration in controllers - advanced haptics - motion control - local co op (although that's dying) - fast ssds - strong ips To name a few, pc also is such a variable platform that the base target has always been the console otherwise it will be even more smaller improvements Personally i don't have the time to mess around with a pc and i like to seperate my work from leisure
I love PC... But, you know... Things like games not launching, and you google and there is no real clear answer why. You use your own experience and you find out information from other people, who had similar issues in another game and then you start experimenting with adding starting parameters to the game and then... You get it to work! Great. This all worked out because i am that guy, but someone who just wants to have a good time playing games?
Yes and that's my problem with pc actually it's not a real problem at least for me and I am also that guy but this is one of the big reasons I don't wanna play on pc anymore because it costs too much time and joy when you wanna play your favorite games on day one and you have problems with litteraly zero explanations for it.
Yup. I’m a software engineer and as long as it’s windows I’m just not going to enjoy the experience. It’s buggy as hell and I’ve spent hours trying to get stuff to work. Ps5 never gives me that problem
Consoles sell at a loss. Software is what makes money, if people only play free to play live service games the console market will stagnate. Console sales are irrelevant.
The bigger danger is more, samey games, across various genre, fewer 'new' (and therefore "risky") I.P. and a prevalence of games as a service, iterative content that locks players into a pay as you go microtransactional hellscape.
This is definitely a valid take. Developers moving towards making games strickly for profit rather than as an art form and because they enjoy it is a major concern with recent comments from the corporations that own many of these studios.
Indie devs have stepped up more than ever in recent years. They make the niche games that AAA studios won't, and they usually don't have microtransactions either. The only issue with indie titles is that they usually don't push the hardware very far. If in the future gamers get fed up with AAA and mostly go to supporting indie titles then there will be less need than ever before for newer consoles and PC gaming hardware.
@@quentenburnett7296 Hmm, I see what you mean, but those same indie devs, becoming familiar with new techniques etc, wont have to spend lavish sums to get really great looking games with all the bells and whistles in them. They just need to make sure that the STORY and the accompanying gameplay mechanics complement the visuals, and deliver something players will want to play if only to say I played that game, I experienced that story and I appreciate the devs that made it.
@@quentenburnett7296 - Which would also be unfortunate. Indies have unfortunately also been playing it just as safe as big devs in many ways with the ridiculous amount of Metroidvanias and roguelikes that have come out in recent years. I really hope devs find a way to keep both the indie space and the AAA space interesting. Many of us love advancements in graphics and the new art that makes possible , and we don't mind the occasional upgrade necessary to keep up with demands.
in one word: NO! Its like saying the 100+ million gamers on consoles are gonna play on PC or some TV/hardware hybrid and that will never happen. Instead Sony and Microsoft and Nintendo will be more like software publishers that offer games on MANY devices, including a smaller niche of first party consoles
Will we ever see the Panasonic model of having a one size fits all like the 3DO? A unit that fits all services rather than separate priority ones we see with Xbox and Sony? Like a smart service on a TV but the device works with all? We are reaching the point that a console is resembling a PC so having a choice of different tier model could be the way. I hope I've explained that right. 😅
Over 80 million PS5s and Xbox Series consoles have been sold halfway through this generation and that's despite a global pandemic causing a chip shortage that limited availability at the start. Doesn't sound like something coming to an end.
The problem isn't the consoles....its the games being made for the consoles and the people in control of those games. They are making bad money decisions and bad gaming development decisions and then blaming fans when those screw up....almost every company is doing this right now.
Video consoles transitioned the arcade experience into homes, but arcades have been torn down with lack of participation and with that those games and gameplay styles dwindle with each generation of videogame consoles. I feel those experiences were more creative and innovative to get players spend their coins on a new experience or challenging experience and it was building communities physically face to face. Replaced by impersonal online toxic chat for not being good enough to play a game, which is more egotistical testosterone driven.
Nintendo is the best example of console sustainable relevance. They somehow manage to make completely novel ways to play games every generation with almost always overwhelming success.
Game developers will build their game around the consoles that are present. Obviously they have to. And once there is a need for ps6, there will be a ps6.
there will be a ps6 when AMD decides they want to give hardware for a ps6, tech companies will leave console silicon as last resource as selling pc parts and ai is much more profitable per silicon
I think as many people have said, 4k resolution with stable 60fps, even with ray-tracing, is probably going to be enough to sell people on the next console, if the next console is truly able to deliver on that. Adding accelerator hardware for AI and physics to offload those workloads from the CPU will probably help a lot with the "CPU limited" problems that we are starting to see more in modern games (although, a lot of that may be coming down to unoptimized code).
Consoles are here to stay for at least a few more decades even if it just becomes a streaming stick. Until PCs are as easily accessible as consoles there will still be a healthy market for them.
Responsive A.I. powered NPC that act and react (almost) like a player would be a game changer in a lot of genre. Would (and could) revolutionize the Co-Op experience, and the Multiplayer experience.
@duncanmacleod7287 I agree, the problem is that finding that something unique and unforgettable is becoming harder and harder. And sometimes a more linear take on a story, an adventure is just the right choice. Too many of these supposedly "open worlds" are filled with busy work, fluff and filler between the story beats to give a player 'something to do' while exploring the world. Have they ever considered the possibility that just exploring and finding scenery, and vista's without all the busy work might serve them better?
@@quentenburnett7296 And not have a line repeat itself, would be nice! Even coding for expressive body language would give the spoken word a bit of oompfh for A.I. powered NPC.
It will be the end of gaming if so . Most people can not afford to spend 1500pounds or what ever your currency is to just play a video game . Its ridiculous and will just make gaming a class issue
@@dominiclane8538 well considering i upgraded to 7800x 3d and 7800xt cpu and gpu combo and managed to get all with motherboard and ram for 900 pounds, i have no reason to change anything else had my psu since 2013 and works fine. you've had ps4 and ps5 since for sure it's more expensive but with steam and 3rd party sellers of gamers at massive discount i've made my money back and some of owning a pc not a console.
Most gamers like to sit in front of their TV and play games. Not sitting at a PC, having to drop tons of money to keep it upgraded, every game you play having cheaters because PC don’t have the security of consoles, etc. Nah I’m good.
Still plenty of cheaters on console, I'm mainly a PC gamer and use an Xbox controller so you can certainly sit on the sofa in front of a large TV or even lie in bed and play games which is no different than a console.
@@BigSnippI’ve done that. Plenty of issues occur there too. Need to hookup a switch which can cause issues with Windows buggy implementation of HDR. Windows always has issues connecting to controllers on startup so I have physically go to my pc to turn it on. You’ll need a Bluetooth keyboard that you have to move back and forth from your desk to your couch which is big and bulky. Then suddenly your game doesn’t start, now you have to back to the desk so you can read forums and debug. It’s not the same experience as sitting on your couch, grabbing the controller and pressing the PS button. Way more goes into it.
I really hope that age of digital frourdry comes to an end so they cant make any more console wars and people can go back to enjoying gaming like they use to before they started this BS
As long as PC are more out of reach for the average joe (both for the technical and economic side) consoles will still have a place on the market. But nowdays pre-built PCs exist, laptops exist for ease of use to not be bothered to built a whole pc from scratch. While still not as cheap as a console, it would end up being cheaper at a long run. Many options to build and mix, so I can't see why people can't get into PC gaming nowdays compared to consoles. Though, I get the appeal consoles have compared to PC. So I think they're going nowhere, may be the next generation would be the last lf they don't come up with something new.
PC gamers- "Exclusives suck" Also PC gamers- "Playstation has no gamers". There are plenty of games, some gamers just lack a bit of creativity in their lives.
@@glenmcl Is it.... because from where I sit there are plenty of games that are selling PS5! Join any Helldivers, GT7, Nms community page and there are people either putting off upgrading or flat out converting to console.
Probably not- PC compnents to get similar or better performance are more expensive and not getting any cheaper. What does need to end is the ballooning AAA budgets and development times
People act like the cost of PC is the only reason for consoles and that it's a question of consoles being needed or not. Consider that people actually want to play on consoles, and many who own one don't even want a PC. Consoles won't go away because it is clear people enjoy them, always have, and I think many prefer a console just to game as opposed to a PC. So there already is a market for people who only want to game and nothing else. I have both btw, just bought a new PC, so I have no horse in the race so to speak.
Consoles will never die, it's just they will evolve, we'll get more pricing tiers (low, mid, high end), back compat and forward compat will be a thing and that's it. Shift into a subscription model even more... Future is multiplatform.
This again. You can buy smaller PC cases and use controller and connect PC to a tv. This argument is archaic, uninformed and just ridiculous in 2024...in 2015
@@c523jw7 shhh, they don't know computers can use all kinds of controllers and displays, they think they can only game on monitors with mouse and keyboard on a chair.
@@DSN262 absolutely mind blowing how uneducated they are. We have PlayStation fans thinking they were getting a NVIDIA high end GPU on the pro consoles on one spectrum then others saying things like this. Stay on console but don't complain about the 30fps and crap resolutions which every single console keeps delivering.
Saying you’ll have to convince people to buy the PS6 is like saying you’d have to convince people to leave their station wagon behind for a Lambo 🤦🏻♂️, gamers always want the latest and greatest.
VR tech has basically froze because so many people chose to invest in cheap crappy inside out tracking headsets that limit tracking capabilities while headsets like the Valve index allow for fullbody tracking with full 360° tracking headsets like PSVR2 and Quest 3 lose tracking if you so much as put your hands behind your back or head
I feel these console models could last another 20 years with just the lack of games that have made in this generations life span . I feel I could count the games I would enjoy on one hand in the last 10 years and I would struggle ro get to 5 I think .
Actually I think he does. He knows that the direction the gaming industry has been going the past decade has to change. Sony doesn't realize this or they think they can stick to the old ways of thinking and that's why they keep having to close studios and lay people off from their biggest 1st party studios. Nadella knows that console hardware sales don't make any money. Hence the push on services, subs, smaller less expensive services games such as Sea of Thieves and Grounded, throwing a Trojan Horse into the competitor's ecosystem (COD, SoT, HiFi Rush, etc). They aren't even half the install base of PS but they are making more revenue and profit. Nadella is playing a long game of chess while Sony playing checkers.
They're as simple since Steam & Epic Games introduce their Gameworks to install everything you need to launch a game during installation so you don't have any issue and you can get an equivalent PC for $700 that actually gets better performance sometimes with an RX 6700 and R7 3700X and end up being cheaper because you don't need to pay for Online and you can buy games on different launchers with different sales.
Honestly, if Sony and Microsoft can pull off 60fps at 4K, most people would be happy with paying $599 instead of wasting the same amount of money just for a video card.
Stop putting all pc's in the same category, a $500 box can definitely compete with a $500 pc. At the start of the generation you had to spend at least a K to get the same performance, now I would say it would be around $600. The moment consoles will hit 4k60 on a regular basis or even 4k120 there's not really a reason not to buy one. Especially if it stays around the 500 bucks.
While they can sell 80-150 million units, and 30 million+ copies of one game, they'll stay on the market. Average Joe largely has no idea about 4K60 DLSS, so it's silly that they're making their own arms race towards tech that most of their customers can't really take advantage of. Make good games that people want to buy. For example, it would be possible to make a version of GTA 6, based in Vice City, that runs using the Xbox 360's GTA V technology. If this game was released 10 years ago, it would sell bucket loads, just like Vice City sold bucket loads one year after GTA III. GTA VI wont sell less units if it doesn't support ray tracing or 8K. I doubt that the next Mario Kart will support ray tracing. They're great technologies, but we've gotten a little carried away with lighting and pixel count, when these are top-end features. If everyone's priced out by £500+ consoles at the cheapest, then there will be issues. Power users need a high end machine, but average Joe really needs a £300 box to play the latest FIFA.
Imagine gtav sold more than 200+M and switch sold 140+M. Yet some people think console is dying😂. Because you're aging and your environment moving from console/game to normal hobbies. Doesnt meant the world doing same🤭
we just gotta make games geared towards the hardware at hand. dont make a 60 fps game if it cant handle it, dont target a pro machine that isnt out yet, etc.
If PS5 can produce more games visually and running fairly if not smoothly on par with the likes of God of War Ragnarok, Horizon FW, Death Stranding and Marvel Spiderman 2 then I'll be glad to stick with this console till I die
The "radical gameplay innovation" is VR. Boneworks is a game unlike anything I've ever played. Half Life: Alyx feels like what that series was always supposed to be. Even a simple lightgun shooter is a whole new thing when it's Gunclub VR. You don't need huge teams to make these smaller games, and there are entire new game control paradigms waiting to be explored that simply aren't possible with "flat" games. After 50 years of joysticks and gamepads, maybe there just isn't much left. I think all that's really holding back VR is a comfortable headset.
It's simply the headset. I have a rift and have played Alyx etc. VR is awesome. But you also have to set it up and be willing to stand while playing and even just mentally steal yourself to enter a new world basically, all of which is more bothersome than turning on a screen. But when they are simply a pair of glasses it will go mainstream.
You don't have to stand up ... I sit down with all the games I play in VR, what's the point in standing when you don't walk/move anyway?..... in the future when they figure out how to make you walk ( some kind of shoe or small walk-pad or something) believably & comfortably (and cheaply) then I'll stand up, but until then I prefer to sit. PS Resident Evil 4 (2005) in VR beats every 2D flat screen game on the Xbox series X or PS5 into a cocked hat!@@formulaic78
VR isn't a radical innovation. I remember when VR was a thing back in the '90s. It's cool. It has it's fans; it has its market, but it's not this innovation that's going to take over gaming.
Consoles aren't going anywhere. They're much cheaper than PCs, no faff with having to update drivers and setting up various bits and bobs, but most importantly they're very user-friendly - not everyone knows or wants to know how to set up a PC for gaming, but with a console you don't need to know any of that, just switch it on.
I've recently started dabbling in modding, and have to say that as much as I love the ease of use of console the sheer joy I felt when I successfully installed a mod to make my character look the way I like or making the game camera shift to my preference or even using reshade, is immeasurable. Because of that I am thinking about not waiting for ps5 pro and just upgrade my pc a bit more.
I have a capable gaming rig (4070), a ps5 and a series s I got as a wedding present (lol). Somehow I keep going back to the series S. it’s super small so I have it properly concealed as a book in a small bookshelf I have next to my big screen TV (not covering any vents obvs). I figured I was going to use it just as a TV box for streaming apps. Yet having Dolby vision and Dolby atmos in gaming and offering a more than decent current gen experience plus gamepass ended up drawing me. The other thing is quick resume. I can keep my fifa, Alan wake and halo sessions going at the same time they won’t even disappear if I unplug the console. I spend most day at my study so going back there to play on the PC on my free time feels wrong. I’m basically using the PS5 just for exclusives. So yeah, I think consoles have a future if they focus more on the convenience of a TV box. That means: small and adaptable
Problem with console will be thay will always be years behind PC because PC is in a Constant change and console are only good at the time of its Development even than the PC is already ahead by years
This wasn't really the case with the PS3 or the 360 at the time however because the Power PC architecture they use for their CPUs was far more efficient than the CPUs on PC at the time.
I work 40 hours a week on a pc at a desk. I don't want to game and relax on a PC at a desk. Until cloud catches up I want the best couch console experience.
@@Starfury_Apollo "Be updated" lol it's not 2004 anymore even consoles need to update constantly and when it comes to things working if something on console doesn't work well too bad better pray it gets fixed at least on PC you have options and ways to fix most problems seriously you act like clicking the Steam icon is this overwhelming and difficult task you can not overcome to have a far more enjoyable gaming experience seriously you turn the PC on click Steam click pig picture mode and it essentially acts like a console it's not that hard you are literally complaining about having to click 2 icons
Olie spelled it out in the beginning - it's trending towards "GAAS" - Gaming as a Service where gamers will pay a monthly subscription to utilize very powerful PCs in the "cloud" to play their favorite games. No need to have a local "machine."
Games should focus on gameplay innovation, I much rather play a well-optimized game with engaging gameplay, a great story on a low power APU on my handheld, than have a poorly optimized game on a PC completely speced out and have beautiful graphics where the gameplay is lackluster and filled with micro transactions
PMSL I bet this has nothing to do with XBOX falling on its ass right? Sony has effectively drove them out of business over the last two gens. Even with better hardware XBOX can’t compete.
I don't see consoles going away, simply because of their price and convenience. For me though, frame rates are too crappy to be happy with. 30 fps is awful. The target always seems to be 60 fps (I'm assuming because majority play on 60 fps TVs), but 60 fps is still crap. I think 90 fps is where gaming gets much nicer and 120 fps is good, so hopefully consoles will get to 120 fps in a few years (even if at 1080p). PC gaming is much more expensive and not so 'hassle free', but it does come with its own benefits e.g. frame rates, ability to configure/fine tune games and modding.
The day consoles die is the day major games die. Where do you think a majority of the profits come from for multiplat games? You’re going to see budgets be cut by like 75-80% if that happened.
The thing about cloud AI is that it's an argument for simpler, cheaper consumer devices, while leaning more heavily on subscription business models. Could the next gen be actually less powerful hardware than the previous gen? Would the hardware focus be on luxurious controllers and other home comfort/usability devices?
At some point, yeah, consoles will come to an end. We're not there yet because streaming is not where it needs to be for that to happen. People are also not ready for that yet. You're kidding yourself if you don't think consoles days are numbered. You've seen it with CDs, you've seen it with movies, and you will eventually see it with games. You're already slowly seeing the death of physical media.
I see a future without physical media but I don't see a future where the only option would be to pay a monthly subscription to be able to play/watch/hear anything (or to use any electronic device, for instance).
I don't think so - I think consoles are extremely underpriced PCs with many extra features (minus the productivity which requires a keyboard) and deliver amazing value in gaming. I'd love for them to make a $1,000 console with $2,000 PC performance.
I see PC having the better features, consoles are game and media boxes and that's about it, where with PC there is so much you can do with them as opposed to the closed garden that consoles represent. When you play PC games try out Mods and community made projects you get to see the huge potential. You can design and make a game on PC, you can't on console. PC has so much more and is worth the extra money, games are cheaper and no subscription fee to play online, there are so many perks.
@@paulsegrue5133 well, the same can be said of consoles. I don't use mods or emulators. Streaming video, watching movies and gaming is a lot easier on a console and they have the best UI and game selection and games are usually better optimized for consoles.
@@techsamurai11 I find quite a lot of games on consoles poorly optimised with lower image quality and low framerates.Every game I have played on PC and Series X runs and looks much better on my PC and I mean much much better at times. It feels like a downgrade of a game on the console most of the time. Nothing wrong with consoles but when game are actually no way would I ever choose the console experience of my high end PC.
@@paulsegrue5133 of course, a 4080 will sustain 60fps with every feature on in every game compared to a console where devs drop internal res to 720p. It also costs $3,000 unless you build it yourself. But with good optimization the 60fps mode on a console can be very close to the quality mode and very impressive for the money. After all, a $500 is playing the game at a very good frame rate with excellent visuals as we see in Spiderman 2 and with Ray tracing.
@@eclisis5080 That's not AI upscaling lol. FSR and checkerboard rendering are trash compared to DLSS, especially DLSS 3.0. They need their own proprietary machine learning upscaling tech like Nvidia. Microsoft certainty has the cashflow to invest in that.
@@BasePuma4007 The 30 series GPU which blow away the consoles can't even use DLSS frame generation, its only on 40 series GPU, using AI to fill in pixels requires computing power, if you think the pssr bullshit or whatever on the pro is gonna compete with DLSS you are dreaming lmao
@@eclisis5080 MY guy, DLSS isn't just a frame generation tool. The image quality is far better than FSR or checkerboard rendering, like, way better lol. Why are you trying to put words in my mouth?
As long as PC parts prices look like they do consoles will be here to stay. The days where you could get a really decent GPU for $200 and build an entire PC for $500 are over. Maybe it will go back to that someday, but it doesn't look like it. Fact is that most gamers do not care about the difference between 60 and 120+ FPS, most do not know or care what ray tracing is or what the latest graphical effects are, and are perfectly happy playing games at 30 FPS 1080p medium settings if it means they get to play with their friends. PC gaming elitists need to understand that not everyone can pay $1000-2000+ for a gaming machine, and there are many who can afford it but simply do not care. There might be an uptick in Steam Deck like systems that can dock to a TV, but I'd argue that those are just consoles with an optional desktop operating system running in the background. At that point you have to ask yourself what is a console and what is a PC exactly? If I'm using an Xbox controller paired to a Deck that is attached to my TV, is that a console or a PC or a handheld?
It's not expensive anymore, cryptoboom is over. You can assemble a nice rtx3060 PC (which is a bit more powerful than a PS5) for around 700 bucks. And you can do way more with that machine than with a console.
@@delacroixxThe RTX 3060 is not more powerful, actually. It does have more VRAM (the card has 12GB and PS5 & XSX only use 10GB outta of the APU's 16GB GDDR6 as VRAM), but the only advantage the card has is that it has more SPU.
@@accountteam9859 it is. By a small margin, but still. I had my experience with both that gpu and a ps5 and it's pretty close, but 3060 does provide better performance.
I think what feels different about where we are right now is that, in the past, the argument has always been that consoles would die out because people would no longer want the experience that a console delivers. Be it because of mobile games, etc etc. I think the difference here is that we're getting close to a point where the experience you get from a console could be provided through an online service direct to a smart device like a TV or PC. There are still issues around connection speeds currently, and investment into enormous server farms to power Stadia-like services at the scale required, but I can see it being a possibility in the future. Rather than being locked into a specific hardware ecology with fixed specs for 6+ years, you get to play the latest games at the highest detail and fidelity, for a monthly cost that's a fraction of what you might have spent on a console and physical media. Already you can see a shift towards people no longer buying physical copies of games. At what point does the game itself just become another online service? People didn't stop buying CD players because they stopped listening to music. They stopped buying CDs because streaming services are much much cheaper. I don't see any reason why that model wouldn't work for gaming in the future (sad as it might seem to old farts like me)
The technologies are certainly converging. Anyone that plugs a PC into a TV will realize the experience isn't that radically different than a console. Nintendo honestly is really the only true console manufacturer left in the race. They somehow keep coming up with compelling ways to play games. When you take a step back at look at the Switch, what it can do is really remarkable. There still isn't anything like it on the market.
A Xbox shill talking about a quote from an Xbox executive about the entire console ecosystem failing and not coming to realization that just Xbox is failing.
Smart phones and tablets have replaced the general use PC. Gaming PCs with its prohibitive cost have become an enthusiast system for niche hardcore gamers, content creators, or AI users. We need consoles for gamers who just want to game.
I don't think consoles are coming to an end. Even Linus' video showed that you can't build a PC equivalent to the PS5 at the PS5's price. You can come fairly close, but not without some sacrifices, such as the controller. Consoles are mass-produced items that have economies of scale working for them...and even then they still probably lose money per sale. You can't get that with PC, and certainly not right now with the way inflation is. The advantage with PC is that it's highly customizable and you can build something more powerful than a console, but you can't assume everyone's going to want to put in that investment or effort.
linus is a fucking joke and a hack.........go watch gamers nexus or someone eles.. but yes your point is right, you can never build a pc for the price of a consoel anymore its no longer 2006 when pc parts were cheap...
it's probably hard to build a $1,000 PC like the PS5... Once you consider Windows, Bluray 4k player, Bluray Software, Keyboard, Controller, Dolby Atmos sound card and your own time you're already way over $1,000. For the PS5 Pro, you could do $1,000 for just the main parts but then you need everything else.
@@techsamurai11for once someone who knows what they are talking about... People really miss all those points when they say pc is better... Yeah sure but at what price tag.
Nah. People like consoles and will continue to buy them. We are at a turning point , some companies will do well and others will fall trying to force gamers to go their route.
If they are looking for a big leap in graphics they need a separate custom designed chip just for ray tracing along side whatever chip AMD has lined up.
Consoles are never going away because your average consumer wants to buy a box, plug it in, and play a game. I can tell you that out of my entire circle of gaming friends, I don’t think a single one of them could tell you what frame rate is. They probably couldn’t even tell you what SSD or HDD stands for. But they like CoD and Fortnite. I guarantee you they are representative of the mass market at large.
😂 indeed
Console gamers stupid. Pc gamer smart.- your source (trust me bro)
Most people don’t want to get an associates degree playing their games;
Just plug & play, boom.
After setting up my steamdeck with all the emulators & all the necessary files, etc, I too, just want to play.
@@watchmehope6560 What's your point or do you just enjoy insulting people?
You could buy a modern gaming console and plug it in but before you can play, you need to do system updates, register for console, sign up for their online service, then when you’re ready to play the game, you have to update and install it. Gaming generations ago you bought the console, plug it in, pop in the game, turn it on and play it done. Instant gratification.
I like gaming on my sofa, with no setup fuss and playing great single player games.
You can do that with a pc with a controllers in the exact same sofa.
@@yiannis777-l9c for 500€ and just turn on and play?
@@yiannis777-l9chard disagree. PC has constant fiddling. Hardware support is super spotty too. PC HDR is also incredibly lacking. I only own PC now, but must admit I miss my Series X for the ease of use and its amazing HDR implementation.
@@1davidbboy I agree with the hdr part, it's actually way better on consoles, but aside from that i don't see the issue, assuming all your drivers and software is up to date you shouldn't have problems with pc gaming
@@1davidbboyToday I played a PC game from my the same couch I play my Switch. Can you delete your comment since I proved it false?
The benefit of consoles rarely mentioned is it offers a uniform global specification for developers. Developing games is hard enuff, a unified ecosystem removes a huge variable from the equation.
Very true. The problem is that if PC is also a launch platform, that uniformity advantage is greatly weakened.
That's what happened to Dragon's Dogma 2@@rezwhap
Could still have the same uniformity with a cloud structure, whether that's PS, XBOX or Nintendo.
@@rezwhapits not..........they develop it for consoles THEN port it to pc, this is why games such as Dragons dogma 2 plays FINE no problems on ps5 and xbox series X... but ppl on steam are haivng a hissy fit cuz game is chugging or crashing..(some of this is due to ppl on steam having weak as pc and theyd ont read the specs of the game but)
sure a patch will fix it all sooner or later, but dont kid yoru self, any BIG games are dev for console then ported to pc, its why GTA 6 will be on consoles first and then pc 2 years later...
pc is SUCH a hassle because how all the diff systems and brands...
@@aaronclay4665 Sure, I agree with all that. The more that the dev/test for the console version is a separate/earlier effort, the greater the uniformity advantage. I guess I’m just skeptical that such a clean project separation would be common for simultaneous console/PC launches. 🙂
People have been doomsaying the end of consoles for the past 3 generations straight.
Consoles will be fine.
I wish there was a way to overcome VR sickness. I don’t suffer from it (even during long sessions) but that right there is the future of gaming.
And think of how amazing it would be if someone like Microsoft patched the Xbox Series X to support all the Windows Mixed Reality headsets that are out there
Consoles, and videogames, will probably transition almost fully to cloud services in the next 10 years. Lots of people are already using those kind of services with a good degree of satisfaction today, the path is clear, it's like with the DVDs and videocassettes, once technology is advanced enough to distribute the media you want companies no longer need to sell you dedicated hardware.
The way how the industry is being ran now, with how the games are being made with less quality, always online, and console manufacturers putting their games on pc stupidly, which gives people less incentive to buy consoles and buy pc instead, then I'd say yes. Nintendo will be the only console manufacturer soon. They're the only ones doing things right. Look at the sales of the switch compared to other handhelds and consoles on the market.
I think cloud platforms will gain some market share for budget players, but there is inherent latency problems with cloud gaming that continues to be a large problem. You could use cloud compute resources to do things local consoles can’t do to sell the cloud gaming experience though. Either way there are still tradeoffs which depends on what consumers want as far as which one leads in the near future.
@@anusmcgee4150just play vr, thats how you get vr legs.
Before the 360 & PS3 launched almost every tech journalist was predicting the end of consoles. Both consoles sold millions and then the PS4 & PS5 have done even better and let's not forget the Switch.
Anyone remember when we went through this whole thing at the beginning of Gen 8? Everyone talking about how mobile was somehow going to be the all encompassing gaming replacement?
I think the tech has evolved to the point where it could happen now if hardware makers really wanted it to. You could have Steam Deck like systems that dock into a TV/Monitor but can detach and become portable. It wouldn't be the iPhone killing off consoles like people predicted before Gen 8, it would be the Deck.
Or streaming.
@quentenburnett7296 I agree ,I think the Switch has shown how popular docking could be, fuse that with an even more powerful Steam Deck .....
@@ectoplasma5 Once the Internet is better , 10 years I reckon
@@quentenburnett7296 a SteamDeck is still running PC games. The appeal of consoles for most people is the simplicity and having every game 'just work'.
The millions of consoles sold say not
As always, convenience is the key word here ... Your average Joe, or Mom & Dad, dont want to deal with bugs, updates, crashes, bad ports, PC parts, fiddling with game settings and whatnot, nor do they want to splash something like north of 1000 dollar for an decent gaming PC. They just want to walk into a shop (or order online), pick up the gaming console box, check-out, drive home, unbox, put it under their 4K tv, turn it on, crash on their couch, put their feet on the table and start playing. Thats it. All that just for between 450 and 550 dollars. Nevermind streaming games is still not up to par this day when it comes to latency and lag. So, no ... consoles are not going away anytime soon.
Yes, because consoles never have bugs, updates, crashes and bad ports, and "between 450 and 550 dollars" doesn't factor in payments for playing online, which is free on PC. The reason for playing on consoles should be preference, not ignorance.
Don’t even waste your breath. Pc fanboys/elitists will NEVER admit the truth.
@@egomaster76 Less time is spent troubleshooting on consoles for sure.
@@egomaster76 lmao yeah console is plug and play unlike pc that's the reason why you play a console to not f around with the problems that pc comes around mind blowing what? 🤯
@@egomaster76 Consoles might have bugs and updates, but they're usually minimal, and if a console game doesn't run AT ALL, that is a catastrophic situation that almost never happens, while on PC that can happen all the time. So you = wrong.
Not while highend PC parts are so expensive. The new Pro might cost me $1200AUD, but a 4080 Super alone will cost me $2200.
@CaptainSkuzzy2080 is obsolete now. Especially with these broken pc ports.
@@pandaboogusno the fuck it ain't lmfaoo 🤣
Get your goofy ass outta here lol
10 years from now the 4080 super will consistently run your games at least at 1080P 30 FPS while on consoles you will have a mess as the console ages. investing in a PC makes sense in the long run because you can run way more games that what's possible on current generation of consoles not to mention that the multiplayer is FREE when you own the game.
@@Fernando-Rodriguezat the time of release, building a PC that runs like a consolo cost more than buying all 3 consoles and on top of that PC sucks at HDR
@@mauriciosalazar2289 HDR works great on PC I use it all the time
Pundits have talked the death of consoles since the PS2.
Considering PS5 has already surpassed SNES sales, I would say no. The sheer awfulness of PC optimization lately doesn't help either.
I don't see games running at lower than 1080p as base resolution and un unstable FPS with screen-tearing on console as "optimization".
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Whatever you say! 😆🤣😂🤣😆@@accountteam9859
@@accountteam9859Take Starfield for example superbly optimized to 30hz on Xbox😂. The game plays and looks much better on my PC desktop, I find such a low framerate unplayable on my Series X.
Consoles were created as a cheaper alternative to Arcade & PC gaming. Arcades are mostly gone & building a beefy PC is still expensive, so consoles are still needed.
IMO, Since Nintendo doesn't make electronics or PC software like Sony or MS does, if things go South, Nintendo will probably be the last console maker to go down.
there was no "pc gamign" back when consoles were created......it was made to put the arcade in your living room..
and Sonys playstion makes that company the most money..........if playstion fields sonys done(for the most part) they have TONS OF DIVISONS that actively lose money and the moive,playstion and tv are the only things holding them up.
@@aaronclay4665there absolutely was pc gaming when consoles were around...it was just too expensive and niche for anyone to remember
Phones didn't exist then though. Not saying consoles aren't what consumers want but... they're not "needed" they're just popular because phones didn't show up first
@@maymayman0 people dont want to play aaa games on their phones...or else this generation wouldnt of even happened
Exactly!!!!! Smart guy you are. I said the same thing in my comment above. Nintendo are the only company doing it right. Just look at thr popularity and sales compared to its competition. Nintendo will be the only ones standing in thr end while Sony follows xbox into pc. Sony fell into Microsoft trap.
gaming industry would go down without consoles
The obligatory "consoles are irrelevant" conversation
They have to propagate the xbox fanboys and MS narrative.
They all repeat what Phil says them to repeat.
Lol…as long as nvidia is charging 1k+ for video cards, consoles aren’t going anywhere
I’ve always liked how consoles set the minimum standard for what players can expect from a gaming system. Each iteration establishes a new baseline of acceptable performance.
True, but that has always been the point of consoles from the very beginning of time. Consoles were always designed to be a cheaper and more affordable alternative to PC.
PS4 pro and Xbox one x are the standouts here. Why would anyone buy a series x in 2020 if they bought a one x in 2019? It’s essentially pointless.
Also, having a common hardware target enables software optimizations and some gameplay options that would otherwise be prohibitively expensive to implement with many hardware variations.
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Yep, if console go away. Game dev will stop innovation because they isn't a hardware to maximize
As a primarily PC player, consoles are the backbone of gaming. Most entry level gamers are going to start on console plus the ease of use on top of price to performance ratio there really is no beating consoles for the average consumer.
Consoles have generally brought in new industry standards. So i don't understand these people crapping on it.
- vibration in controllers
- advanced haptics
- motion control
- local co op (although that's dying)
- fast ssds
- strong ips
To name a few, pc also is such a variable platform that the base target has always been the console otherwise it will be even more smaller improvements
Personally i don't have the time to mess around with a pc and i like to seperate my work from leisure
I love PC... But, you know... Things like games not launching, and you google and there is no real clear answer why. You use your own experience and you find out information from other people, who had similar issues in another game and then you start experimenting with adding starting parameters to the game and then... You get it to work! Great.
This all worked out because i am that guy, but someone who just wants to have a good time playing games?
This is real lol. PCGamingWiki is your best friend, but yeah... sometimes you do just run into a problem and have to figure everything out yourself.
Exactly
PCGamingWiki is the cleanest resource for it, it's a marvel. But yeah, most people don't want to spend time on tinkering like that.
Yes and that's my problem with pc actually it's not a real problem at least for me and I am also that guy but this is one of the big reasons I don't wanna play on pc anymore because it costs too much time and joy when you wanna play your favorite games on day one and you have problems with litteraly zero explanations for it.
Yup. I’m a software engineer and as long as it’s windows I’m just not going to enjoy the experience. It’s buggy as hell and I’ve spent hours trying to get stuff to work. Ps5 never gives me that problem
Microsoft: " We are in last place selling consoles...Of course we dont want any consoles!"
millions of console are being sold each year, how can it come to an end?
*Millions
*consoles (plural)
*year. How (to fix your comma splice run-on)
@@alvallac2171 thank you, but I'm writting while taking a dump so my syntax is shit like everything else
If the software doesn't match the same in sales what's the point. Especially how expensive AAA games are.
@@alvallac2171thank God you fixed it. I couldn't read it HURDUURR.
Consoles sell at a loss. Software is what makes money, if people only play free to play live service games the console market will stagnate. Console sales are irrelevant.
Basically the age of Xbox is coming to an end, but DF can't say that. Sony and Nintendo are doing great!
The bigger danger is more, samey games, across various genre, fewer 'new' (and therefore "risky") I.P. and a prevalence of games as a service, iterative content that locks players into a pay as you go microtransactional hellscape.
This is definitely a valid take. Developers moving towards making games strickly for profit rather than as an art form and because they enjoy it is a major concern with recent comments from the corporations that own many of these studios.
Indie devs have stepped up more than ever in recent years. They make the niche games that AAA studios won't, and they usually don't have microtransactions either. The only issue with indie titles is that they usually don't push the hardware very far. If in the future gamers get fed up with AAA and mostly go to supporting indie titles then there will be less need than ever before for newer consoles and PC gaming hardware.
@@quentenburnett7296 Hmm, I see what you mean, but those same indie devs, becoming familiar with new techniques etc, wont have to spend lavish sums to get really great looking games with all the bells and whistles in them. They just need to make sure that the STORY and the accompanying gameplay mechanics complement the visuals, and deliver something players will want to play if only to say I played that game, I experienced that story and I appreciate the devs that made it.
@@quentenburnett7296 - Which would also be unfortunate. Indies have unfortunately also been playing it just as safe as big devs in many ways with the ridiculous amount of Metroidvanias and roguelikes that have come out in recent years.
I really hope devs find a way to keep both the indie space and the AAA space interesting. Many of us love advancements in graphics and the new art that makes possible , and we don't mind the occasional upgrade necessary to keep up with demands.
Everything is too damn expensive!
Buy a switch
Bidenflation 😁😅🤣
@@edge60ablethat thing hasn't had a price drop in 7 years and neither has its games. It's a better deal to get a series s
@@Wes_Trippy4lifethe economy understander is here everybody
Gonna be worst for next gen, I’m guessing about 700-800 for the next gen consoles
in one word: NO! Its like saying the 100+ million gamers on consoles are gonna play on PC or some TV/hardware hybrid and that will never happen. Instead Sony and Microsoft and Nintendo will be more like software publishers that offer games on MANY devices, including a smaller niche of first party consoles
its over 300 million if you add ps, xbox and switch......
No. They will grow old and die. Teenagers are not playing consoles. Consoles will be dead in less than 20 years. Probably 10-12.
@@glenmclPeople say that since the ps2....
We have the same debate every gen. Dejavu.
Xbox can end if it wants but playstation actually cares and understands about games and gamers.
is that why they are pumping heavy money into live service games that have flopped apart from helldivers?
[Nintendo continues to release consoles that outsell everyone else’s]
[everyone else tries their hardest to ignore the elephant in the room]
Consoles will be alive even if just for convenience alone
Will we ever see the Panasonic model of having a one size fits all like the 3DO? A unit that fits all services rather than separate priority ones we see with Xbox and Sony? Like a smart service on a TV but the device works with all? We are reaching the point that a console is resembling a PC so having a choice of different tier model could be the way. I hope I've explained that right. 😅
Here in Italy consoles will never die. Some people don't even know that games can be played on PC.
Really😅
Just because the Xbox is less relevant doesn't mean consoles are dying out
Over 80 million PS5s and Xbox Series consoles have been sold halfway through this generation and that's despite a global pandemic causing a chip shortage that limited availability at the start. Doesn't sound like something coming to an end.
The problem isn't the consoles....its the games being made for the consoles and the people in control of those games. They are making bad money decisions and bad gaming development decisions and then blaming fans when those screw up....almost every company is doing this right now.
Video consoles transitioned the arcade experience into homes, but arcades have been torn down with lack of participation and with that those games and gameplay styles dwindle with each generation of videogame consoles. I feel those experiences were more creative and innovative to get players spend their coins on a new experience or challenging experience and it was building communities physically face to face.
Replaced by impersonal online toxic chat for not being good enough to play a game, which is more egotistical testosterone driven.
That's more on PvP side. Something like Hell Divers 2 isn't toxic. But yeah *some* games live down to the stereotype you described for sure.
Nintendo is the best example of console sustainable relevance. They somehow manage to make completely novel ways to play games every generation with almost always overwhelming success.
Game developers will build their game around the consoles that are present. Obviously they have to. And once there is a need for ps6, there will be a ps6.
there will be a ps6 when AMD decides they want to give hardware for a ps6, tech companies will leave console silicon as last resource as selling pc parts and ai is much more profitable per silicon
I think as many people have said, 4k resolution with stable 60fps, even with ray-tracing, is probably going to be enough to sell people on the next console, if the next console is truly able to deliver on that. Adding accelerator hardware for AI and physics to offload those workloads from the CPU will probably help a lot with the "CPU limited" problems that we are starting to see more in modern games (although, a lot of that may be coming down to unoptimized code).
Consoles are here to stay for at least a few more decades even if it just becomes a streaming stick. Until PCs are as easily accessible as consoles there will still be a healthy market for them.
May be for the next 50 years or so
Console are simply a much better value for gaming than PC. To get the same performance on PC you need to spend at least 2-3 times as much as a console
Responsive A.I. powered NPC that act and react (almost) like a player would be a game changer in a lot of genre. Would (and could) revolutionize the Co-Op experience, and the Multiplayer experience.
Or even just use AI language models to give NPCs more than 2-3 lines.
@duncanmacleod7287 I agree, the problem is that finding that something unique and unforgettable is becoming harder and harder. And sometimes a more linear take on a story, an adventure is just the right choice.
Too many of these supposedly "open worlds" are filled with busy work, fluff and filler between the story beats to give a player 'something to do' while exploring the world.
Have they ever considered the possibility that just exploring and finding scenery, and vista's without all the busy work might serve them better?
@@quentenburnett7296 And not have a line repeat itself, would be nice! Even coding for expressive body language would give the spoken word a bit of oompfh for A.I. powered NPC.
Convenience is going to keep consoles in business for decades to come.
I’ll never game on PC again, did it for 20 years and got tired of all the extra work they need
hard same
If they stop consoles I retiring from gaming.
It will be the end of gaming if so . Most people can not afford to spend 1500pounds or what ever your currency is to just play a video game . Its ridiculous and will just make gaming a class issue
I'm hoping for handheld PCs to become more powerful and affordable, a steam deck/switch like device that uses ai upscaling etc.
you can build a PC for $700-800 it's only expensive you make it that way.
Factor in a decent monitor, most people already have a tv in their family room, which also reduces entry cost.
@@DeadPiixxel oh right ,not one that's worth building you can't. Stop kidding yourself .
@@dominiclane8538 well considering i upgraded to 7800x 3d and 7800xt cpu and gpu combo and managed to get all with motherboard and ram for 900 pounds, i have no reason to change anything else had my psu since 2013 and works fine. you've had ps4 and ps5 since for sure it's more expensive but with steam and 3rd party sellers of gamers at massive discount i've made my money back and some of owning a pc not a console.
If consoles die gaming industry will die
Peter Moore's consoles are dead that's true but nothing else
Most gamers like to sit in front of their TV and play games. Not sitting at a PC, having to drop tons of money to keep it upgraded, every game you play having cheaters because PC don’t have the security of consoles, etc. Nah I’m good.
You can hook your PC to the same TV you play console games.
Still plenty of cheaters on console, I'm mainly a PC gamer and use an Xbox controller so you can certainly sit on the sofa in front of a large TV or even lie in bed and play games which is no different than a console.
@@BigSnippI’ve done that. Plenty of issues occur there too. Need to hookup a switch which can cause issues with Windows buggy implementation of HDR. Windows always has issues connecting to controllers on startup so I have physically go to my pc to turn it on. You’ll need a Bluetooth keyboard that you have to move back and forth from your desk to your couch which is big and bulky. Then suddenly your game doesn’t start, now you have to back to the desk so you can read forums and debug.
It’s not the same experience as sitting on your couch, grabbing the controller and pressing the PS button. Way more goes into it.
I really hope that age of digital frourdry comes to an end
so they cant make any more console wars
and people can go back to enjoying gaming like they use to before they started this BS
Maybe they can develop hardware to contain my consciousness - so I get to work toward completion of my Steam backlog post-death.
That would be useful.
Oh my goodness, probably how long it'll take.
As long as PC are more out of reach for the average joe (both for the technical and economic side) consoles will still have a place on the market.
But nowdays pre-built PCs exist, laptops exist for ease of use to not be bothered to built a whole pc from scratch. While still not as cheap as a console, it would end up being cheaper at a long run. Many options to build and mix, so I can't see why people can't get into PC gaming nowdays compared to consoles.
Though, I get the appeal consoles have compared to PC. So I think they're going nowhere, may be the next generation would be the last lf they don't come up with something new.
It needs games .
More like true next gen games
PC gamers- "Exclusives suck"
Also PC gamers- "Playstation has no gamers".
There are plenty of games, some gamers just lack a bit of creativity in their lives.
@@FurBurger151I play everywhere. PS5 is terrible.
@@glenmcl Is it.... because from where I sit there are plenty of games that are selling PS5! Join any Helldivers, GT7, Nms community page and there are people either putting off upgrading or flat out converting to console.
@@glenmcl I've been gaming for 35years and I'm telling you you're lieing!
We heard this nonsense at the end of PS3. And they were wrong, we got PS4/PS5 and PS6 is in development.
Probably not- PC compnents to get similar or better performance are more expensive and not getting any cheaper. What does need to end is the ballooning AAA budgets and development times
it is not expensive at all. Maybe for first year of console generation
They say this every generation, yet every console generation PlayStation and Nintendo kill it with console sales.
People act like the cost of PC is the only reason for consoles and that it's a question of consoles being needed or not. Consider that people actually want to play on consoles, and many who own one don't even want a PC. Consoles won't go away because it is clear people enjoy them, always have, and I think many prefer a console just to game as opposed to a PC. So there already is a market for people who only want to game and nothing else. I have both btw, just bought a new PC, so I have no horse in the race so to speak.
Consoles will never die, it's just they will evolve, we'll get more pricing tiers (low, mid, high end), back compat and forward compat will be a thing and that's it. Shift into a subscription model even more... Future is multiplatform.
Kids aren't playing consoles. It's all phones and tablets. Consoles will die soon enough.
theres always gonna be people who would rather play sitting on a couch..
This again. You can buy smaller PC cases and use controller and connect PC to a tv.
This argument is archaic, uninformed and just ridiculous in 2024...in 2015
@@c523jw7have you seen how dogshit PC UI looks like dogshit when blown up on a TV?
@@c523jw7 shhh, they don't know computers can use all kinds of controllers and displays, they think they can only game on monitors with mouse and keyboard on a chair.
I've heard this before from console gamers. I'm shocked at how uniformed they are
@@DSN262 absolutely mind blowing how uneducated they are. We have PlayStation fans thinking they were getting a NVIDIA high end GPU on the pro consoles on one spectrum then others saying things like this.
Stay on console but don't complain about the 30fps and crap resolutions which every single console keeps delivering.
Saying you’ll have to convince people to buy the PS6 is like saying you’d have to convince people to leave their station wagon behind for a Lambo 🤦🏻♂️, gamers always want the latest and greatest.
Console have so much room to evolve like they mentioned, and with continued improvement of VR tech.
VR tech has basically froze because so many people chose to invest in cheap crappy inside out tracking headsets that limit tracking capabilities while headsets like the Valve index allow for fullbody tracking with full 360° tracking headsets like PSVR2 and Quest 3 lose tracking if you so much as put your hands behind your back or head
VR hasn't been very popular. It looks to me that Sony will "Vita" it
Nobody cares about VR, it's a dead end.
VR will stop being a niche when we can go fulldive
PSVR2 is a quality headset and still nobody wants it. I never even use mine. VR is not a big seller.
I feel these console models could last another 20 years with just the lack of games that have made in this generations life span . I feel I could count the games I would enjoy on one hand in the last 10 years and I would struggle ro get to 5 I think .
Satya Nadella should just keep quiet he clearly doesn't understand the gaming industry😂
Actually I think he does. He knows that the direction the gaming industry has been going the past decade has to change. Sony doesn't realize this or they think they can stick to the old ways of thinking and that's why they keep having to close studios and lay people off from their biggest 1st party studios. Nadella knows that console hardware sales don't make any money. Hence the push on services, subs, smaller less expensive services games such as Sea of Thieves and Grounded, throwing a Trojan Horse into the competitor's ecosystem (COD, SoT, HiFi Rush, etc). They aren't even half the install base of PS but they are making more revenue and profit. Nadella is playing a long game of chess while Sony playing checkers.
Console gaming isn't coming to an end until, PCs are as cheap and as simple as consoles.
They're as simple since Steam & Epic Games introduce their Gameworks to install everything you need to launch a game during installation so you don't have any issue and you can get an equivalent PC for $700 that actually gets better performance sometimes with an RX 6700 and R7 3700X and end up being cheaper because you don't need to pay for Online and you can buy games on different launchers with different sales.
So ps5 is outselling PS4 and the switch is a huge success and your conclusion is consoles are dying. Alright.
stop expecting a $3-499 box to compete with pc graphics
Honestly, if Sony and Microsoft can pull off 60fps at 4K, most people would be happy with paying $599 instead of wasting the same amount of money just for a video card.
Exactly.
Stop putting all pc's in the same category, a $500 box can definitely compete with a $500 pc. At the start of the generation you had to spend at least a K to get the same performance, now I would say it would be around $600. The moment consoles will hit 4k60 on a regular basis or even 4k120 there's not really a reason not to buy one. Especially if it stays around the 500 bucks.
@@InhalingWeasel you can build a pc for $700-800 not all gpus cost 1k
While they can sell 80-150 million units, and 30 million+ copies of one game, they'll stay on the market.
Average Joe largely has no idea about 4K60 DLSS, so it's silly that they're making their own arms race towards tech that most of their customers can't really take advantage of.
Make good games that people want to buy.
For example, it would be possible to make a version of GTA 6, based in Vice City, that runs using the Xbox 360's GTA V technology. If this game was released 10 years ago, it would sell bucket loads, just like Vice City sold bucket loads one year after GTA III.
GTA VI wont sell less units if it doesn't support ray tracing or 8K. I doubt that the next Mario Kart will support ray tracing. They're great technologies, but we've gotten a little carried away with lighting and pixel count, when these are top-end features.
If everyone's priced out by £500+ consoles at the cheapest, then there will be issues. Power users need a high end machine, but average Joe really needs a £300 box to play the latest FIFA.
*won't (different meaning and pronunciation)
Imagine gtav sold more than 200+M and switch sold 140+M. Yet some people think console is dying😂. Because you're aging and your environment moving from console/game to normal hobbies. Doesnt meant the world doing same🤭
we just gotta make games geared towards the hardware at hand. dont make a 60 fps game if it cant handle it, dont target a pro machine that isnt out yet, etc.
Exactly, i think devlopers will obviously do that. Because if it doesn't give a good experience who's gonna play.
If PS5 can produce more games visually and running fairly if not smoothly on par with the likes of God of War Ragnarok, Horizon FW, Death Stranding and Marvel Spiderman 2 then I'll be glad to stick with this console till I die
The "radical gameplay innovation" is VR. Boneworks is a game unlike anything I've ever played. Half Life: Alyx feels like what that series was always supposed to be. Even a simple lightgun shooter is a whole new thing when it's Gunclub VR. You don't need huge teams to make these smaller games, and there are entire new game control paradigms waiting to be explored that simply aren't possible with "flat" games. After 50 years of joysticks and gamepads, maybe there just isn't much left. I think all that's really holding back VR is a comfortable headset.
It's simply the headset. I have a rift and have played Alyx etc. VR is awesome. But you also have to set it up and be willing to stand while playing and even just mentally steal yourself to enter a new world basically, all of which is more bothersome than turning on a screen. But when they are simply a pair of glasses it will go mainstream.
Maybe in 10 years
You don't have to stand up ... I sit down with all the games I play in VR, what's the point in standing when you don't walk/move anyway?..... in the future when they figure out how to make you walk ( some kind of shoe or small walk-pad or something) believably & comfortably (and cheaply) then I'll stand up, but until then I prefer to sit.
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Resident Evil 4 (2005) in VR beats every 2D flat screen game on the Xbox series X or PS5 into a cocked hat!@@formulaic78
@@coolmacatrain9434 Omnidirectional treadmills are already a thing for VR they are very expensive though
VR isn't a radical innovation. I remember when VR was a thing back in the '90s. It's cool. It has it's fans; it has its market, but it's not this innovation that's going to take over gaming.
Consoles aren't going anywhere. They're much cheaper than PCs, no faff with having to update drivers and setting up various bits and bobs, but most importantly they're very user-friendly - not everyone knows or wants to know how to set up a PC for gaming, but with a console you don't need to know any of that, just switch it on.
Not for PlayStation and Nintendo.
I've recently started dabbling in modding, and have to say that as much as I love the ease of use of console the sheer joy I felt when I successfully installed a mod to make my character look the way I like or making the game camera shift to my preference or even using reshade, is immeasurable. Because of that I am thinking about not waiting for ps5 pro and just upgrade my pc a bit more.
The moment consoles go streaming only thats it they will both die because nobody wants that, they will go the way of stadia if they do that
I have a capable gaming rig (4070), a ps5 and a series s I got as a wedding present (lol). Somehow I keep going back to the series S. it’s super small so I have it properly concealed as a book in a small bookshelf I have next to my big screen TV (not covering any vents obvs). I figured I was going to use it just as a TV box for streaming apps. Yet having Dolby vision and Dolby atmos in gaming and offering a more than decent current gen experience plus gamepass ended up drawing me. The other thing is quick resume. I can keep my fifa, Alan wake and halo sessions going at the same time they won’t even disappear if I unplug the console. I spend most day at my study so going back there to play on the PC on my free time feels wrong. I’m basically using the PS5 just for exclusives. So yeah, I think consoles have a future if they focus more on the convenience of a TV box. That means: small and adaptable
Problem with console will be thay will always be years behind PC because PC is in a Constant change and console are only good at the time of its Development even than the PC is already ahead by years
This wasn't really the case with the PS3 or the 360 at the time however because the Power PC architecture they use for their CPUs was far more efficient than the CPUs on PC at the time.
@samgee500 true but times have changed consoles wont ever keep up again those days are long gone
Xbox is saying that because Xbox wants out of the console market every time Xbox wants to change direction they always say the industry is changing
I work 40 hours a week on a pc at a desk. I don't want to game and relax on a PC at a desk. Until cloud catches up I want the best couch console experience.
That argument is so old and tiring you know you can just plug a PC into a TV and play with a controller on your couch right
I see your point, even having to deal with something that remotely looks like your work UI would be a real put off.
@AzaiaMonota I don't want to deal with any pc related stuff at all when I relax. I just want it to game. Be updated and work.
@@Starfury_Apollo "Be updated" lol it's not 2004 anymore even consoles need to update constantly and when it comes to things working if something on console doesn't work well too bad better pray it gets fixed at least on PC you have options and ways to fix most problems seriously you act like clicking the Steam icon is this overwhelming and difficult task you can not overcome to have a far more enjoyable gaming experience seriously you turn the PC on click Steam click pig picture mode and it essentially acts like a console it's not that hard you are literally complaining about having to click 2 icons
@@AzaiaMonota you are not going to convince me. Save your energy
Olie spelled it out in the beginning - it's trending towards "GAAS" - Gaming as a Service where gamers will pay a monthly subscription to utilize very powerful PCs in the "cloud" to play their favorite games. No need to have a local "machine."
Consoles will never die, end of.
Games should focus on gameplay innovation, I much rather play a well-optimized game with engaging gameplay, a great story on a low power APU on my handheld, than have a poorly optimized game on a PC completely speced out and have beautiful graphics where the gameplay is lackluster and filled with micro transactions
8:57 I find the way Generative AI is moving to be anything but "exciting"
Exciting for suits that can avoid paying a few hardworking, creative employees and instead slap that shit on it and call it a day
Its inevitable
@@sanishnaik2040 deez nůtz are inevitable on your chin
Amazing video, i thoroughly enjoyed it, thank you.
PMSL
I bet this has nothing to do with XBOX falling on its ass right? Sony has effectively drove them out of business over the last two gens.
Even with better hardware XBOX can’t compete.
I don't see consoles going away, simply because of their price and convenience. For me though, frame rates are too crappy to be happy with. 30 fps is awful. The target always seems to be 60 fps (I'm assuming because majority play on 60 fps TVs), but 60 fps is still crap. I think 90 fps is where gaming gets much nicer and 120 fps is good, so hopefully consoles will get to 120 fps in a few years (even if at 1080p). PC gaming is much more expensive and not so 'hassle free', but it does come with its own benefits e.g. frame rates, ability to configure/fine tune games and modding.
The day consoles die is the day I switch hobbies
Just get a pc, if your going to switch the hobby then do it because of shitty ports, paying for online and how greedy the industry is now.
Lol ok
@@MD-se8ft 4K Blu-Ray and manga are the other hobbies I’d switch to. Not interested in dropping 4+ figures to build a gaming PC
The day consoles die is the day major games die. Where do you think a majority of the profits come from for multiplat games? You’re going to see budgets be cut by like 75-80% if that happened.
@@TheProphegy most gaming profit right now is in Mobile and PC gaming.
The thing about cloud AI is that it's an argument for simpler, cheaper consumer devices, while leaning more heavily on subscription business models. Could the next gen be actually less powerful hardware than the previous gen? Would the hardware focus be on luxurious controllers and other home comfort/usability devices?
At some point, yeah, consoles will come to an end. We're not there yet because streaming is not where it needs to be for that to happen. People are also not ready for that yet. You're kidding yourself if you don't think consoles days are numbered. You've seen it with CDs, you've seen it with movies, and you will eventually see it with games. You're already slowly seeing the death of physical media.
Scary
I see a future without physical media but I don't see a future where the only option would be to pay a monthly subscription to be able to play/watch/hear anything (or to use any electronic device, for instance).
I don't think so - I think consoles are extremely underpriced PCs with many extra features (minus the productivity which requires a keyboard) and deliver amazing value in gaming. I'd love for them to make a $1,000 console with $2,000 PC performance.
I see PC having the better features, consoles are game and media boxes and that's about it, where with PC there is so much you can do with them as opposed to the closed garden that consoles represent. When you play PC games try out Mods and community made projects you get to see the huge potential. You can design and make a game on PC, you can't on console. PC has so much more and is worth the extra money, games are cheaper and no subscription fee to play online, there are so many perks.
@@paulsegrue5133 well, the same can be said of consoles. I don't use mods or emulators. Streaming video, watching movies and gaming is a lot easier on a console and they have the best UI and game selection and games are usually better optimized for consoles.
@@techsamurai11 I find quite a lot of games on consoles poorly optimised with lower image quality and low framerates.Every game I have played on PC and Series X runs and looks much better on my PC and I mean much much better at times. It feels like a downgrade of a game on the console most of the time.
Nothing wrong with consoles but when game are actually no way would I ever choose the console experience of my high end PC.
@@paulsegrue5133 of course, a 4080 will sustain 60fps with every feature on in every game compared to a console where devs drop internal res to 720p. It also costs $3,000 unless you build it yourself.
But with good optimization the 60fps mode on a console can be very close to the quality mode and very impressive for the money.
After all, a $500 is playing the game at a very good frame rate with excellent visuals as we see in Spiderman 2 and with Ray tracing.
Microsoft and Sony really need to have something on par with DLSS. I agree with Rich's point on AI.
they already do, they started the upscale crap with the checker board 4k on the PRO lmao
That's why Sony is working on PSSR 😅
@@eclisis5080 That's not AI upscaling lol. FSR and checkerboard rendering are trash compared to DLSS, especially DLSS 3.0. They need their own proprietary machine learning upscaling tech like Nvidia. Microsoft certainty has the cashflow to invest in that.
@@BasePuma4007 The 30 series GPU which blow away the consoles can't even use DLSS frame generation, its only on 40 series GPU, using AI to fill in pixels requires computing power, if you think the pssr bullshit or whatever on the pro is gonna compete with DLSS you are dreaming lmao
@@eclisis5080 MY guy, DLSS isn't just a frame generation tool. The image quality is far better than FSR or checkerboard rendering, like, way better lol. Why are you trying to put words in my mouth?
As long as PC parts prices look like they do consoles will be here to stay. The days where you could get a really decent GPU for $200 and build an entire PC for $500 are over. Maybe it will go back to that someday, but it doesn't look like it. Fact is that most gamers do not care about the difference between 60 and 120+ FPS, most do not know or care what ray tracing is or what the latest graphical effects are, and are perfectly happy playing games at 30 FPS 1080p medium settings if it means they get to play with their friends. PC gaming elitists need to understand that not everyone can pay $1000-2000+ for a gaming machine, and there are many who can afford it but simply do not care.
There might be an uptick in Steam Deck like systems that can dock to a TV, but I'd argue that those are just consoles with an optional desktop operating system running in the background. At that point you have to ask yourself what is a console and what is a PC exactly? If I'm using an Xbox controller paired to a Deck that is attached to my TV, is that a console or a PC or a handheld?
Is the age of PC hardware being so expensive coming to end? If not then consoles will continue
It's not expensive anymore, cryptoboom is over. You can assemble a nice rtx3060 PC (which is a bit more powerful than a PS5) for around 700 bucks. And you can do way more with that machine than with a console.
You can get an equivalent PC with an RX 6700 & R7 3700X for less than $800 and actually get better performance on some games.
@@delacroixxThe RTX 3060 is not more powerful, actually. It does have more VRAM (the card has 12GB and PS5 & XSX only use 10GB outta of the APU's 16GB GDDR6 as VRAM), but the only advantage the card has is that it has more SPU.
@@accountteam9859 it is. By a small margin, but still. I had my experience with both that gpu and a ps5 and it's pretty close, but 3060 does provide better performance.
I think what feels different about where we are right now is that, in the past, the argument has always been that consoles would die out because people would no longer want the experience that a console delivers. Be it because of mobile games, etc etc. I think the difference here is that we're getting close to a point where the experience you get from a console could be provided through an online service direct to a smart device like a TV or PC. There are still issues around connection speeds currently, and investment into enormous server farms to power Stadia-like services at the scale required, but I can see it being a possibility in the future. Rather than being locked into a specific hardware ecology with fixed specs for 6+ years, you get to play the latest games at the highest detail and fidelity, for a monthly cost that's a fraction of what you might have spent on a console and physical media.
Already you can see a shift towards people no longer buying physical copies of games. At what point does the game itself just become another online service?
People didn't stop buying CD players because they stopped listening to music. They stopped buying CDs because streaming services are much much cheaper. I don't see any reason why that model wouldn't work for gaming in the future (sad as it might seem to old farts like me)
The technologies are certainly converging. Anyone that plugs a PC into a TV will realize the experience isn't that radically different than a console. Nintendo honestly is really the only true console manufacturer left in the race. They somehow keep coming up with compelling ways to play games. When you take a step back at look at the Switch, what it can do is really remarkable. There still isn't anything like it on the market.
Legion go
A Xbox shill talking about a quote from an Xbox executive about the entire console ecosystem failing and not coming to realization that just Xbox is failing.
Smart phones and tablets have replaced the general use PC. Gaming PCs with its prohibitive cost have become an enthusiast system for niche hardcore gamers, content creators, or AI users. We need consoles for gamers who just want to game.
Consoles will die like single player games were supposed to die.
I don't think consoles are coming to an end. Even Linus' video showed that you can't build a PC equivalent to the PS5 at the PS5's price. You can come fairly close, but not without some sacrifices, such as the controller. Consoles are mass-produced items that have economies of scale working for them...and even then they still probably lose money per sale. You can't get that with PC, and certainly not right now with the way inflation is. The advantage with PC is that it's highly customizable and you can build something more powerful than a console, but you can't assume everyone's going to want to put in that investment or effort.
linus is a fucking joke and a hack.........go watch gamers nexus or someone eles..
but yes your point is right, you can never build a pc for the price of a consoel anymore its no longer 2006 when pc parts were cheap...
it's probably hard to build a $1,000 PC like the PS5... Once you consider Windows, Bluray 4k player, Bluray Software, Keyboard, Controller, Dolby Atmos sound card and your own time you're already way over $1,000.
For the PS5 Pro, you could do $1,000 for just the main parts but then you need everything else.
@@techsamurai11for once someone who knows what they are talking about... People really miss all those points when they say pc is better... Yeah sure but at what price tag.
Nah. People like consoles and will continue to buy them. We are at a turning point , some companies will do well and others will fall trying to force gamers to go their route.
If they are looking for a big leap in graphics they need a separate custom designed chip just for ray tracing along side whatever chip AMD has lined up.
*graphics, they
*alongside