Sony FX30 / FX3 XLR Top Handle - Everything You Need To Know
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- Getting professional XLR audio into your Sony camera is easy with this top handle or XLR-K3M. Why you need it, how to use it, scenarios, accessories, pricing and comparison.
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TABLE OF CONTENTS:
0:00 - Good Audio Is Important
0:30 - Why XLR?
1:46 - Physical Characteristics
3:27 - Settings & Controls
5:41 - Setting Up The Unit (2 Channel Audio)
6:32 - Using One Microphone
8:34 - Using Two Microphones
8:33 - The 3rd Input
10:45 - 4 Channel Audio
11:38 - Scenarios & Use Cases
13:26 - Accessories
15:22 - XLR Top Handle vs XLR-K3M
17:09 - Why You Should Buy One
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Josh, great detail about the mic cable. And handle extension. Thanks!
I can't believe how thorough and well explained this video is! Thank you!
You're very welcome. Thanks for watching!
So freaking underrated. Literally recorded my video yesterday with the EV-RE20, cloud lifter, and the top handle. I added the small rig accessory to the top handle to "sure" it up. It is so nice to record directly in camera when I don't feel like syncing in post.
Awesome video been watching all your fx30 content I think I’m sold
Thank you! It's a solid camera for sure!
I just picked up a FX3 and this actually helped me to understand some things about the handle and the mic. You got a subscriber out of it. Thank you
Awesome! Glad you found the video helpful. Thanks for watching and for the support!
Josh you’re so good at explaining and teaching. Just got this handle for my a7iv and your video is really informative and helpful ❤
Thank you for the kind words and for watching!
You're a beast my friend. Love watching your tutorials. I always learn so much. Thanks for sharing.
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Just picked up an FX30 (coming from the older Blackmagic Cinema line) and went with the bundle with the top handle - definitely a much-needed accessory in my world. I'm a musician and I do demos on my channel of audio effects units with synths, drum machines, and samplers, and the idea of recording 4 channels of audio EMBEDDED in my video is going to make editing SO MUCH faster/better than syncing up my H4n files. Was super pumped to learn that the handle did 4ch audio. Excited to start using this thing! Appreciate your content btw!
You are going to love the top handle. It makes my life a lot easier. Thanks for watching!
Sir I love your videos. Especially the one about the Slog color correction and white balancing on the fx3. You describe very easy steps to check and setup everything. I have seen many other videos before and it seems like other TH-camrs make the process way too complicated by using external hardware and monitors to setup the exposure on the camera. I like your approach more. Thanks a lot for sharing.
You are very welcome. Glad the videos are helpful for you and thanks for watching!
Very thorough and informative. Thank You.
Very helpful - thank you!
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Thank you, my go to source for learning more about my new gear in between shoots.
Thank you for the info, exactly what I was looking for!
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Nicely explained !
Just what I was looking for! You're the freakin' best Josh
So cool you found this video and was helpful for you. Your videos often help me out so much too! 👊
Amazing work! Love it!
Thanks for watching!
Thank you! So much value here. Much appreciated!
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!
I didn’t want the one with the top Handle at first but man it was a need for sure more than I thought. Perfect when shooting podcast, live streaming and run an gun work.
Yeah, it's super helpful. Thanks for watching!
When live streaming with this as a webcam with the xlr mic in the Camera does the audio work too?
just received my NTG5 for my FX3. Subscribed, super helpful!
Thanks for the support!
Nice run true of the handle. Thanks
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Very useful and informative, thank you. Going to be ordering an FX30 with top handle to accompany my A7siii.
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Excellent info. Thanks for sharing.
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Great video!!
Thanks!
Shooting a documentary in the next month and this has helped tremendously in planning.
Excellent. Thanks for watching!
Great video, thank you!
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Awesome videos Josh!
I think that the XLR-K3M, although not as sexy as the "top handle," is more versatile than the handle--especially for those of us who have Fs7's, a7siii, etc... Also, I'm not a fan of mounting an external monitor on top of the handle, growing the rig upwards and tending towards making the camera front heavy. With a SmallRig half cage, and the XLR-K3m (and a few odds and ends) you can mount an external monitor more in line with the FX30's touchscreen directly below--counterbalancing the rig and lowering the external closer to the flip out. Yes, you lose the cool handle, but in my world; most of the action is better covered from my chest up to eye level... Happy to share my FX30 setup.
Thanks! Yeah, pros and cons of both. It really depends on how you plan to use the camera. I do prefer the top handle for run and gun stuff like I showed in the video, but I agree the XLR-K3M is more versatile overall. Glad we have options!
Great video! Thanks, now I know how to use my XLR K3M :)
You're welcome. Glad the video was helpful. Thanks for watching!
I need to get one soon!
For sure man! Great to have XLR inputs.
Awesome vid! Thanks, Peace! Hi from downtown Montreal! I have become another one of your devoted subscribers! Sony Cinema Line is interesting to me. I'm a long time Nikon type. Vlog with a Nikon Z30, which I like. Bought a BMCC6K Pro for the price point. I am an elderly newbie film maker. I love the cams I have, but Sony is really cutting edge in supplying what creator's need. Thanks for the learning!
Thank you so much for watching and for the support. I appreciate it!
@Josh Sattin You earned it!
Never said this to a stranger but I love you lol. 😂 Thanks man!!
Thank you very much brother
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
I just send back my fx30 back this morning and switched to fx3 much better camera although I’ve liked the fx30 but I prefer to get the real best of Sony! It is a real pleasure watching you videos easy to understand than you .
For real?
I am also debating...
I mean... I would buy the FX3 ANYTIME!
But... the MONEY!!!
And I am not getting money in, regularly...
I have the exact same rig (only a different cable, but I'm buying it now)
Thanks for explaining so well, helped a lot. I just got Deity S-mic2S for fx3 for run and gun shoot. I am getting lots of handling noise through mic, is there a way to get around this?
Just bought this combo with the Sony mic handle. Is it normal for the mount where the microphone is mounted to be squishy and moves a bit? I’m assuming yes to make it shock proof
Great video and insight! Thanks!. Would you recommend the Sony ECM-MS2 microphone to pair up with this top handle xlr? or which xlr mic would you recommend better? cheers!
thanks for this video! now.... what are the micro USB port for?
Really good and helpful video thanks - I’ll sub. Didn’t actually answer what I wanted to find out though! 😂 I do weddings and typically use zoom H1s with lav mics for most of my audio, but always looking for backup options and was wondering how good the audio would be from a microphone attached to the handle and about 15-20 feet away from the speaker - I would assume not great? I’m thinking wedding ceremonies on a tripod that distance from the couple.
You're welcome. You will get better audio quality the closer you can get the microphone to the subject.
Hey Josh! Thanks so much for the video! Quick question, I have my rode ntg4+ connected into ch1 and my shure VP83 shotgun mic in the input 3 with the 3.5mm. I switched the back input to the very top so that input 3 goes to ch 1,2. so far, i think im correct. now to adjust the audio for the 3.5mm, i would still adjust it under input 3 correct? or does that now switch to input 1 controls. thanks!
What settings do you use on the Sennheiser? I have the same set up but I want the best audio quality
Hi Josh, I`ve been trying to find a low-profile monitor setup for my FX3 with top-handle. But I can`t figure it out. I always end up too tall. It looks like a tower. Did you find something? GREAT videos by the way :)
nice cook bro
Thank you so much, this video is great! Just a question: If I choose the 4 channel recording, is it possible, to record with Input 1 and Input 3 simultaneously? I thought about a shotgun mic for input 1 and a lav for input 3 :)
I have to say, I still prefer recording into my Zoom H6 and using a shotgun mic to capture reference audio. separating your audio sources helps avoid the pain if something does go wrong. Plus syncing in Premier is super easy nowadays and editing raw 48 /24 audio in Audition is way better than messing around in Premier trying to use the essential sound panel.
It would be nice if the adapter had a built in mic, like Canon C100.
I see one problem though. On the FX3 the audio levels are clearly displayed on the screen. You can see where they fall in regards to 12 DB. On the FX30 the readings are so small you cannot tell where the readings fall.
On the fence on the fence!!!! So, can you talk about the pre-amps on the unit? I'm struggling with either grabbing the xlr top handle with the FX30 or using the cash to pick up the Rodecaster Duo on release in July. I know the Duo offers the ability to tweak the sound quality and add effects to the mic (NT1 Gen 5), BUTTTTT, I do like the idea of not having to match audio in post. Is that the main question people ask themselves haha? My use case will be in office talking head, streaming/zoom calls and the odd single podcast. Thanks in advance and you've got a new sub! Great content. Peter, Vancouver.
The pre-amps are average. Not amazing but not awful. The convenience is great though and you won't have any sync issues when streaming because the audio and video get send together to your computer.
@@Josh_Sattin thanks a mil for the reply. Can there be synch issue when streaming? I was looking at the streamer x and Ecamm live set up. Looks like it streamer x provides one audio/video source into ecamm. Thanks again, ordered body only in the end. Am I going to regret this? Haha. Cheers.
@@peteroates37 I haven't used the Streamer X so I don't know how it handles that. If you are sending audio and video separately into your computer they will not sync up. You will have to go into Ecamm and set a manual delay. You can always buy the XLR handle separately later if you change your mind. I have done streaming a lot of different ways and personally always prefer to send the audio into the camera to avoid syncing issues.
Great video! I just got the fx30 with the top handle. Just a quick question: if I’m holding the handle with my right hand, how can I enable the recording function with my left.
Thanks. Button number 6 on the front.
@@Josh_Sattin Lol! Don't know how I missed that great button.... Yet one more reason I love this camera. Your channel has become my "go to" resource. Keep up the great work!
Do you know what the micro USB under the main part of the handle does? Its there, has a cover, and is undocumented?
Hey. Do this handle use battery power? I mean if I will use it with my fx30 the battery will run out quicker? Maybe it depends on the mic which I will use? If yes, what if I will be using "rode video mic micro" with an adapter? It will still use my fx30 battery power? Thanks in advance
Will it work fine when teleprompter used? Does it have enough space put teleprompter on Lens like Sigma F1.4 16mm?
I buy an FX3 XLR Top Handle for my a7IV(I use Adapter plate SmallRig MD4019)And it works well, I'm satisfied!..But when I turn on 4 channels, and connect a microphone to input 1 (or 2), and a wireless microphone to input 3, then it doesn’t work for me not to write to the camera 3 and 4 channels. And if I select 4-channel sound in the menu, then I see that channels 3 and 4 are not active .... What am I doing wrong?... ..., sorry for my English.
the dials on the unit are not front facing....is there any way of controlling the audio levels from the camera while using the XLR inputs?
What is the micro usb port under the handle for?
When using the xlr on the fx3, I have a shure sm7b with a focusrite and sound colloid filter, do I also connect the cloud filter to the fx3? And the focus rite?
Hey when recording basketball i can still hear myself do you know how to fix that
Is there a good way of mounting the this top handle onto the side of the FX for vertical shooting?
Not that I am aware of. The XLR-K3M does come with a relocation cable to mount the unit to a cold shoe.
Hey Josh, would you still use the top handle over a external recorder?
It depends on what I'm doing. For simple quick setups or run and gun I would use the top handle. If I need a lot of audio inputs and am doing something more elaborate than I would consider external audio. For most things I do, the top handle is great.
Hello! Can I record sound directly to the built-in microphone FX3 and ECM-B1M hotshoe mic?
I don't think that is possible since to have 4 channel audio you need the XLR top handle.
Thank you so much for the excellent video Question I have a shot gun mic and wireless lav. Can I put shot gun on and link ch 1 and 2 and then add a wireless lav and input to channel 3? If so what do I slide the input selector to ch1.ch2 or ch3. Any help would be greatly appreciated
Yes you can do that. Make sure you have 4 channel audio turned on inside the camera. On the back handle switch set it to In1 and have the linked switch turned on channel 2 on the side.
@@Josh_Sattin great... thank you so much for your time!
I have almost everything in my cart. I'm wondering, Is there a place for me to plug in headphones to listen to the audio?
The camera has a headphone jack.
Josh, what do you recomend to use in the shock mount for an fx3 as an all around situation mic, run and gun and also studio work ? usually the talent is like 5m or 5feet away from the camera, Sennheiser MKH 8070 or Sennheiser MKH 8060 or Sennheiser MKH 418 S or your beloved MKH 50-P48 ?
My favorite all around mic is the Rode NTG5 - geni.us/Yi7A5S
@@Josh_Sattin Can it be bought with black rather then the red mic holders? And can a wind shield protector thing be found without RODE printed on it? I like everything clean without adverts all over it. It just looks quite tacky imo. I see on your desk no RODE display on the mic.
Quick question.. could I connect an SM7B mic directly into the handle since it has phantom power? Or do I need a cloudlifter?
Nevermind… you answered my question 2min later in the video 😂
Hello
Thank you for your kind explanation and guidance.
It's a comment from a year ago contents, but there's something I can't solve, so I'm inquiring.
For my fx3 camera, I set the ni shoe 2ch setting on camera and input1.input2 on XLR. Then when I check the file I recorded on premier pro, the sound is confirmed on audio channel 1 to stereo, is there any way to make it appear on audio channel 1 and channel 2 mono respectively?
The context can be strange because it's a question through a translator. I'm sorry about this.
I unfortunately do not use Premiere Pro so I can't offer you any guidance with this.
are the top handles the same for both the fx3 and fx30 ? and are they interchangeable? (could an fx30 audio handle also be used on the fx3)
Yes.
Hey Josh, absolutely life saving review! Thank you so much. Instant sub. I have an AVX mic and when I put the INPUT on the MIC position, it doesn't work... I have to use MIC +48v (Phantom power) which is really weird as the AVX is powered by internal batteries... Am I missing something?
You are very welcome. Yeah, I do think you need phantom power for some reason. Easy enough though.
@@Josh_Sattin cool, I was afraid it could damage the mic if adding the camera power to the internal battery power… but well, as it didn’t work any other way either, I guess it was the way to go …
That is strange, cause that is the purpose of batteries... when needing phantom power in the mic.
Otherwise, if a "normal" mic, then it should have worked directly plugged in the camera, like my lav mic.
@@WEHAVETHISDREAM it’s strange indeed .. when I plug in a “classic” Senheiser receiver (those that works with AA batteries) I don’t need phantom power .. but the AVX receiver , I do .. maybe the battery is too small and serves for the radio signal but needs extra power either way
@@Superjeanmarc Pffff... I have no idea.
Does anyone know what the micro usb port is for on the Sony XLR handle?
Hello, Mr. Sattin!
Can you take the audio unit off the handle?
For situations when you do not need to record any audio... and might just leave the unit home,
to not... have it on top all the time?
Unfortunately you can not remove the audio interface from the handle.
@@Josh_Sattin Thanks!
is the fx30 xlr handle the exact same to the fx3 handle?
I believe so.
Congrats, Josh! Very helpful video :)
I am wondering if it is possible to use just one XLR input, duplicate it on channel two with a lower input volume, and also record ambience sound using a 3.5mm microphone.
Thanks!!
You're welcome. Yes, you should be able to do that with the 4 channel option.
Can't wait till where technology gets to where we get quality xlr accessories like these that aren't the size of the camera themselves.
That would be sweet! We need a smaller sized pro audio standard.
@@Josh_Sattin We already do. It's called Dante and uses ethernet cables (not super portable though). There's also mini-xlr which isn't as bulky.
Can this use with a alpha 7m4... Including handle?
Yes, I talk about that in this video.
I dont know what I did but my top handle just stopped working or I accidentally hit something. i just recorded with no sound lol. Going to troubleshoot
Hi!
What is the fourth channel?
Is there a microphone in/on the handel?
The other day I experienced a lot of (unwanted) noise from the handlebar. I had a shotgun (XLR) and wireless XLR lavalier.
With the shotgun channel came a lot of that unwanted noise, which I can't split/separate.
The 3.5mm input on the handle is a stereo input. It is channels 3/4.
@@Josh_Sattin Ok. So when you plug something in it is the 3rd and 4th channel?
So really it is three channels?
1: XLR
2 :XLR
3 and 4: Jack
And is there a mic on the handle? (since I got all that unwanted noise)
Thanks :)
@@christianbreidlid3191 Input 1 and 2 are mono inputs (1 input each), the third input (3.5 mm) is a stereo input (two inputs). You can use something like a Rode Wireless Go II or DJI Mic to have it send separate signals to the left and right channels (3 and 4) thus giving you 4 channels of audio. There is no mic on the handle.
@@Josh_Sattin Aha. Thank you!
Is there a way for me to connect a USB microphone directly to my FX30? Like the Sennheiser Profile
Unfortunately not that I know of. That mic is made to plug into a computer via USB.
@@Josh_Sattin Gotcha. Thank you
Have you ran into any issues with the NTG5? I've been reading reviews and people have been receiving theirs dead or will die over a short period of time.
Mine's been great.
@@Josh_Sattin appreciate it ! what length is that XLR Cable? Going to order it now :)
Thank you for this video. As a warning for musicians and audio guys I have to say the preamps are not good and produce a lot of noise. A solution is to use an external preamp with a lot of gain and go into the Line Input at 0dB and very low input volume. But even then it‘s not going to catch up with the Zoom F3.
Can you run a XLR Lav Transmitter with 2 receivers at the same time as using the 3.5 jack with Lav Transmitter and 2 receivers for a total of 4 channels? I’m not sure if you can do this please if anyone know let me know. Thanks
Yeah that should work. You can run any two XLR inputs and then either a 2 channel lav mic pack into the 3.5mm or get that splitter.
Hi, One more thing! The Micro USB Port in the XLR-H1 handle!!! What is for?!?
i came for the same reason!
@@patamuslo69 any idea?!
@@WissamTerjman not yet, and really curious, i connected to computer and is NOT a usb compliant audio interface 🤷
One issue with the shotgun Mics is that if you have the camera on Auto Focus it might pic up the sound from the lens when the lens is adjusting focus. does that happen with the FX30?
It depends on the lens that you are using.
For native Sony lenses? They are silent.
Hey where did you get your lamp from in the back?
Ikea
@@Josh_Sattin Thank you!
Can you run this system with the Sony A1?
While I do think it would technically work because the XLR-K3M works with the A1, the issue will be mounting it because the XLR top handle needs to screw in to something. Smallrig makes this adapter for their A74/A7S3 cage, but I'm not sure if it would work with the A1
www.smallrig.com/SmallRig-Adapter-Plate-for-Sony-FX3-XLR-Handle-MD4019.html
Just picked up the FX30 with the XLR top handle. I had a quick question:
Does anyone else have handling noise recorded when running and gunning and using the handle? I get incredible feedback when moving - even gently - my fingers or hands and was curious to know if anyone knows of a fix? If you dont get the handling noise, would you mind sharing what mic and input you are using?
I am using the input 3 with a Deity 4 mini. Thanks in advance.
If you get get the top handle extension (small rig) it reduces the noise tremendously
@@Kinetic-Studios oh yes, thnaks! I ended up getting that shortly after posting and also changing the mic to a Sennheiser MKE-600 and haven’t had an issue since.
@@Kinetic-Studios What model, please?
Does it make sense to get the Sony handle and XLR audio unit for occasional recordings,
or better off with a regular handle and just put the mic in the little camera socket, when needed?
Like lav mics etc.
@@WEHAVETHISDREAM i wouldn't get the top handle. I did and frankly haven't used it
So, i ask this because nobody says it explicitly, the k3m is compatible with Sony fx30?
Yes, the XLR-K3M works on the Sony FX30.
@@Josh_Sattin thanks you!
@@lucaabbati3080 You’re welcome. Thanks for checking out my video!
The problem is the cost, it's enough for buyer to get latest 32bit float recorder like Zoom F3/F6
Indeed, I'd go for the recorder unless only one mic is to be used, and it may as well be on the camera. For me I want every option, and would take the F6 first over the handle. I have g4 levs already.
Can a use fx3 xlr handle on Sony a6300 camera?
No, it will not work.
@@Josh_Sattin thx!
Hi Josh, let´s look at 11.20 where we can see the audio level of the four channels. But sorry, what is this. When you are working with the camera you can hardly see the levels. Instead the display tells you that you chose 4ch...wow...We surely don´t need that information. Why can´t we have the display of levels of the 4 channels so big on the screen that we could judge them even while working ....I think this is unbelievable.
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Can Sennheiser MKH 416 be used?
Absolutely! That is an amazing microphone!
@@Josh_Sattin but it needs to be powered. Can power be drawn by the handle?
@@nirvana4698 Yes it has phantom power.
@@Josh_Sattin thanks a lot.. appreciate your reply 👍🙏
for that price, get a zoom f3 and some mounting options. cheaper, 32-bit
I find it bizarre that anyone would choose to not get the top handle. The audio input option is priceless.
My biggest gripe after excessively working with the FX3 is the lack of a REC button. It has the interface to send 24bit audio, there must’ve been room for a programmable button or two. Would save a lot of awkward fiddling to hit the other REC buttons
Oh yeah, a record button on the top handle would have been amazing!
I am debating with myself between NO handle and YES handle.
I do not do audio stuff, normally, but I did have a project from a client,
where I had to use a Tascam recorder.
DaVinci can match the audio pretty easily and all... but,
not having the need for an external recorder, could be cool.
BUT, I do not know how often I will have clients like those...
i want to buy fx30 for video,
For weddings, we need a 4K, 60p long shot
Without heat problems
But I love using it for photos, too. Will you meet my needs?
This camera will shoot 4K60 without overheating because of the fan. It can also take photos.
@@Josh_Sattin Thank you very much You mean they don't take follow up pictures
@@ALANREMO I think the translation of your comment is not very good. It can only take one photo at a time. No burst mode for photography.
@@Josh_Sattin Yes that's right. Thank you for that clarification
You're welcome!
i'm a bit confused. i didn't see it, but is that handle somehow hooked on to the FX3?
Yes. It slides into the hot shoe and then there are two bolts on the handle that you screw in to the body.
@@Josh_Sattin i meant the electronics, is there a cable? that I'm not seeing?
No it connects through the hot shoe.
@@Josh_Sattin thanks buddy